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- 1:00:00We're going back to plastic straws.
- 1:00:02I think it's OK.
- 1:00:10What happened to the
- 1:00:11ban on plastic straws?
- 1:00:13Remember when plastic straws became like
- 1:00:15the public enemy number one?
- 1:00:16It seemed like banning them
- 1:00:17would be such an easy thing.
- 1:00:19Plastic straws hurt turtles.
- 1:00:21Turtles are good.
- 1:00:22We want to keep turtles around.
- 1:00:24So let's ban plastic straws.
- 1:00:25But it became a lot
- 1:00:26more complicated than that.
- 1:00:27And on this episode of the How
- 1:00:29to Protect the Ocean podcast,
- 1:00:30we're going to be talking about what went
- 1:00:32wrong with the plastic ban
- 1:00:34and how can we do better in
- 1:00:36the future to protect the ocean.
- 1:00:38Let's start the show.
- 1:00:44Hey, everybody, welcome back to another
- 1:00:46exciting episode of the How
- 1:00:47to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:00:48I'm your host, Andrew Lue, and this is
- 1:00:49the podcast where you find out what's
- 1:00:50happening with the ocean,
- 1:00:51how you can speak up for the ocean, what
- 1:00:52you can do to live for a
- 1:00:54better ocean by taking action.
- 1:00:56And on today's episode, we're going to be
- 1:00:57talking about the ban of
- 1:00:59the ban on plastic straws,
- 1:01:00which you saw in the video where
- 1:01:01President Donald Trump signed an
- 1:01:03executive order banning the ban on
- 1:01:05plastic straws that essentially
- 1:01:07overturn the former president Biden's
- 1:01:09executive action on let's ban plastic
- 1:01:12straws from any
- 1:01:13federal government facility.
- 1:01:14This is not a huge ban.
- 1:01:16This is one of the things where it's
- 1:01:17like, hey, you know what?
- 1:01:18It's just in government facilities, which
- 1:01:20obviously is still a lot of usage.
- 1:01:22But we're talking about the fight against
- 1:01:24plastic pollution and
- 1:01:25against plastic straws.
- 1:01:26We're not talking about a huge win for
- 1:01:28the plastic straw industry, but it's also
- 1:01:31not good for the
- 1:01:32banning of plastic straws.
- 1:01:33And really the discussion about the whole
- 1:01:35plastic straw and marine plastics debate
- 1:01:38and reducing plastic pollution so that it
- 1:01:41doesn't end up in the ocean.
- 1:01:42That's what it's all been about.
- 1:01:44But before we get into all that, I want
- 1:01:46to just take it back a little bit and I
- 1:01:48want to talk about how plastic straws
- 1:01:50became sort of the
- 1:01:50symbol of plastic straws.
- 1:01:52And I want to talk about how plastic straws became sort of the symbol of
- 1:01:52plastic pollution and then also not the
- 1:01:54symbol of plastic pollution.
- 1:01:55Because if you ever realize when I saw
- 1:01:57the video of Donald Trump signing that
- 1:01:59executive order, I wasn't surprised.
- 1:02:01I have to admit, I
- 1:02:01wasn't surprised at all.
- 1:02:02This was something
- 1:02:03that we knew was incoming.
- 1:02:04He was going to do
- 1:02:05little actions like this.
- 1:02:07That's fine.
- 1:02:08But it was the response by a lot of the
- 1:02:10people that are out of the government and
- 1:02:13some of them are celebrities or
- 1:02:14personalities, influencers, content
- 1:02:17creators, whatever you have.
- 1:02:18People who have a platform
- 1:02:19really talking about, thank God.
- 1:02:21Like I think for a lot of people, even
- 1:02:23though this was just banning the ban on
- 1:02:25plastic pollution or plastic straws in
- 1:02:27government facilities, this was more of a
- 1:02:28symbol for a lot of people who are like,
- 1:02:30I just like plastic straws.
- 1:02:31I don't like paper straws.
- 1:02:33That was the big argument against use
- 1:02:35like having to ban plastic.
- 1:02:37Trust people didn't like the fact that
- 1:02:39when you banned it and the second is we
- 1:02:41are forced to use an alternative that
- 1:02:42people just didn't like.
- 1:02:45You've probably heard
- 1:02:45the argument before.
- 1:02:46Paper straws, although they're getting
- 1:02:48better in quality, they would
- 1:02:50fall apart in a liquid, right?
- 1:02:52That's paper falls apart in liquid and a
- 1:02:54lot of the early paper straws did that.
- 1:02:56Now, I don't find a big difference when I
- 1:02:58use a paper straw, but a lot of people do
- 1:03:01and a lot of people hate it.
- 1:03:01That's the argument that you see over and
- 1:03:03over, including the argument that Donald
- 1:03:04Trump used when he
- 1:03:05signed that executive order.
- 1:03:07But let's take it back to how this all
- 1:03:08started back a while ago, about a decade
- 1:03:10ago, there was a viral video that showed
- 1:03:14in all of Ridley turtle.
- 1:03:16Having the plastic
- 1:03:17straw taken out of its nose.
- 1:03:20It was stuck in his nose with the
- 1:03:21scientists that were out doing research.
- 1:03:23Dr. Nathan Robinson was a friend of the
- 1:03:25podcast as well as Christine Figoner,
- 1:03:27who's also a friend of the podcast, been
- 1:03:29on the podcast talking about this viral
- 1:03:31video a number of times on this podcast.
- 1:03:33And it was essentially they were out
- 1:03:35doing sea turtle research.
- 1:03:36They came across this sea turtle that
- 1:03:39looked like it was in trouble.
- 1:03:40They pulled it onto the boat.
- 1:03:42They were going to do a workup to make
- 1:03:43sure that one, it was OK.
- 1:03:45And with two, they could do their
- 1:03:46research and they noticed that there was
- 1:03:47something protruding from its nose.
- 1:03:49The video, as you probably already know,
- 1:03:51showed a grueling match of trying to pull
- 1:03:53that object out of the sea turtle.
- 1:03:56And when they pulled it out, they
- 1:03:57realized a plastic
- 1:03:58straw just sort of unfolded.
- 1:04:00This has never been seen before.
- 1:04:02Researchers and sea turtle biologists had
- 1:04:04never really thought of plastic straws
- 1:04:06being stuck in the nose.
- 1:04:07But it went viral and it really launched
- 1:04:10a campaign on plastic straws.
- 1:04:12People started their organizations on
- 1:04:15banning plastic straws.
- 1:04:16It was just about plastic straws.
- 1:04:18Company started selling
- 1:04:19alternatives to plastic straws.
- 1:04:21A lot of them were metal that you could
- 1:04:24reuse and it was a great option.
- 1:04:26You could buy for like a buck 50 or
- 1:04:28whatever that might be and you can read
- 1:04:29them over and over and over again.
- 1:04:31It took off in a little bit.
- 1:04:32Everybody was banning plastic straws.
- 1:04:34Cities were banning plastic
- 1:04:35straws in the US and Canada.
- 1:04:37Countries were banning plastic straws.
- 1:04:39This all happened in a
- 1:04:41very short period of time.
- 1:04:43There's some pushback as you might expect
- 1:04:45because there are some
- 1:04:45people who needed plastic straws.
- 1:04:47People with disabilities
- 1:04:48couldn't use paper straws.
- 1:04:49They had to use plastic straws and there
- 1:04:51were exceptions made for people with
- 1:04:53disabilities that had
- 1:04:54to use plastic straws.
- 1:04:55And here comes the
- 1:04:56problem after all of that.
- 1:04:58People were just tired of having to be
- 1:05:01told what they can and cannot have.
- 1:05:03People like plastic straws.
- 1:05:05They were used to plastic straws and to
- 1:05:06be honest, a lot of them just never
- 1:05:08thought of not using plastic straws.
- 1:05:09Let's be honest when you're sitting in a
- 1:05:12restaurant when you get served a drink,
- 1:05:14the plastic straw is in there, right?
- 1:05:16Or a straw is in
- 1:05:17there and it's automatic.
- 1:05:19At one point you had to ask not to have a
- 1:05:21straw and some people, some waiters would
- 1:05:23push back others wouldn't.
- 1:05:25They said, yeah, no problem.
- 1:05:26Whatever you'd like.
- 1:05:27It was really up to the consumer person
- 1:05:28in the restaurant to say, yeah, whether I
- 1:05:30want plastic straws or not.
- 1:05:31I remember a couple times I would forget
- 1:05:33to ask not to have plastic straws and
- 1:05:35then they would bring it.
- 1:05:36Now they put paper straws in it or
- 1:05:38they'll give you a straw that's in a
- 1:05:41wrapper and they'll put it beside you so
- 1:05:42you can use it if you want
- 1:05:43or you don't have to use it.
- 1:05:45No big deal, right?
- 1:05:46So the policy response was pretty good
- 1:05:48when you saw a lot of these plastic
- 1:05:50straws being banned, especially initially
- 1:05:51we saw Starbucks, McDonald's, a lot of
- 1:05:54places in like Seattle, San Francisco
- 1:05:56started to ban or phase out
- 1:05:58plastic straws in general.
- 1:05:59So governments passed the regulations to
- 1:06:01restrict the use and companies were
- 1:06:03following that, including some companies
- 1:06:05would come to alternatives
- 1:06:06to even using straws at all.
- 1:06:08Now, were they the best alternatives?
- 1:06:09I don't know.
- 1:06:09Starbucks said we're not going to have
- 1:06:11plastic straws anymore, but we are going
- 1:06:13to put a cap on it and it's going to be
- 1:06:14plastic, which was probably
- 1:06:15worse than the plastic straw.
- 1:06:17And I think this is where we started to
- 1:06:18see an unraveling of the campaign.
- 1:06:20There was so much
- 1:06:21focus on plastic straws.
- 1:06:23So many organizations were just focused
- 1:06:25on plastic straws, banning plastic
- 1:06:28straws, not using plastic straws that
- 1:06:30they really missed out on the bigger
- 1:06:33problem and using this as what I call a
- 1:06:36gateway plastic to our
- 1:06:38usage of plastic in general.
- 1:06:40This was an opportunity to make people
- 1:06:43more aware of how much single use
- 1:06:45plastic, which is what plastic straws
- 1:06:46are, are in our lives.
- 1:06:48And we just never took advantage as an
- 1:06:51ocean conservation community.
- 1:06:52There were some organizations that were
- 1:06:53kept professing like this is more than
- 1:06:55just about a plastic straw.
- 1:06:56Plastic straws only make up 0.03% of
- 1:06:59marine debris and marine
- 1:07:00plastics that are in the ocean.
- 1:07:02So it doesn't really make sense to just
- 1:07:04focus on a plastic straw.
- 1:07:05And a lot of people who are against the
- 1:07:07bans on plastic straws say, why do we
- 1:07:09care about plastic straws?
- 1:07:10We shouldn't have to worry about that.
- 1:07:12We shouldn't be
- 1:07:12talking about plastic straws.
- 1:07:13We should be talking about other things,
- 1:07:15plastic packaging,
- 1:07:16plastic fishing gear nets.
- 1:07:18These are the things that we should be
- 1:07:19talking about and not
- 1:07:20just plastic straws.
- 1:07:21Why are we focused so much on the
- 1:07:23individual who uses plastic straws and
- 1:07:25making them feel bad for using plastic
- 1:07:26straws when there's this whole other
- 1:07:28avenue to go ahead and
- 1:07:31say, hey, you know what?
- 1:07:32Yeah, we have a problem with plastic
- 1:07:33straws, but there's a bigger problem in
- 1:07:34single use plastics.
- 1:07:35And this is an opportunity to educate the
- 1:07:37people on what we can do
- 1:07:39and provide alternatives.
- 1:07:41Now, I wanted to really dive in to look
- 1:07:44at how we can actually do these campaigns
- 1:07:48better because here's the problem.
- 1:07:51The alternatives weren't great, right?
- 1:07:53Paper straws got soggy.
- 1:07:55Reusable straws required extra effort.
- 1:07:57Like you had to bring it around.
- 1:07:58Some people would bring around their
- 1:07:59purse, but not many people or not many
- 1:08:01people would keep a
- 1:08:02straw in their pockets.
- 1:08:03Some of these reusable mugs and like the
- 1:08:05Yetis and stuff like that or other like
- 1:08:07Stanley's and stuff, they actually have
- 1:08:09plastics or metal straws in their or
- 1:08:12reusable plastic in their cups already.
- 1:08:15So people could use that, but not
- 1:08:16everybody was going to just take a single
- 1:08:18or a package of plastic straws and bring
- 1:08:20it around whenever they need it.
- 1:08:21We don't need plastic straws that much
- 1:08:23unless you need it to drink if you have
- 1:08:26some sort of disability or you need it as
- 1:08:28an exception, right?
- 1:08:29There's always exceptions to the rule,
- 1:08:31but for the most of us, we just didn't
- 1:08:32need straws all the time.
- 1:08:34It was just something
- 1:08:35that was convenient.
- 1:08:36Let's be honest.
- 1:08:36You're in a restaurant or
- 1:08:37you're at a coffee shop.
- 1:08:39You don't really need a
- 1:08:39straw to drink your drink.
- 1:08:41You can just drink it out of the cup.
- 1:08:43The straw has just become part of life.
- 1:08:44It's become part of our culture, right?
- 1:08:47Also another alternative like
- 1:08:48biodegradable plastic still didn't
- 1:08:50degrade properly in the ocean.
- 1:08:52And so they were still
- 1:08:53a problem in the ocean.
- 1:08:55So in many of the places alternative
- 1:08:57materials were either expensive or
- 1:08:58unavailable and they were just
- 1:09:00inconvenient for a lot of people.
- 1:09:02So the band was partially effective but
- 1:09:05divisive and it limited the impact and it
- 1:09:08was used as a political tool, right?
- 1:09:10You saw Donald Trump and the Republicans
- 1:09:12on the campaign
- 1:09:12talking about plastic straws.
- 1:09:14And every time you hear, oh, and the
- 1:09:15plastic straws everybody's like, oh my
- 1:09:16gosh, don't talk to me
- 1:09:17about the plastic straws.
- 1:09:18It was not fun, right?
- 1:09:20And so what I wanted to do is really look
- 1:09:23at how this campaign really lost it and
- 1:09:26how behavior change because that's what
- 1:09:28we're looking at here.
- 1:09:29When we're talking about people changing
- 1:09:31their ways, it's a behavior change and
- 1:09:33that's difficult to do for us humans.
- 1:09:35We don't like to change our behavior.
- 1:09:37Like think about going on a diet when I
- 1:09:39go on a diet or I start
- 1:09:40saying, you know what?
- 1:09:40I got to eat cleaner.
- 1:09:42It's really hard not to have a sweet that
- 1:09:44I really want because I'm like, I should
- 1:09:45be able to have a
- 1:09:46sweet and I should be fine.
- 1:09:48But then I just continue to have sweets
- 1:09:49and sweets and sweets and sweets and I
- 1:09:50can't get away from it.
- 1:09:51And then I end up gaining weight and I
- 1:09:53don't want to do that.
- 1:09:54So I have to change my behavior and that
- 1:09:56takes a while and that is hard.
- 1:09:58And that's one of the hardest parts about
- 1:10:00eating properly after you're not eating
- 1:10:02clean as one would say.
- 1:10:04So there's a lot of things that we need
- 1:10:05to know about behavior change.
- 1:10:07So here's some of the things that we can
- 1:10:09talk about behavior changes. It's the
- 1:10:10actual psychological reactants.
- 1:10:12So like people resist
- 1:10:13being told what to do.
- 1:10:14So if you say, hey, we're going to ban
- 1:10:16plastic straws, be like,
- 1:10:17why? Like what's the point?
- 1:10:18It doesn't really do doesn't consist of
- 1:10:20all the marine plastics
- 1:10:21that are in the ocean.
- 1:10:22It's point zero three
- 1:10:23percent. Why is this a problem?
- 1:10:25Why is it me that's having one plastic
- 1:10:27straw and why am I being isolated and
- 1:10:30told I'm not doing something right?
- 1:10:32So we're just going to ban it altogether.
- 1:10:34People don't like that, right?
- 1:10:35Restaurants serves drinks
- 1:10:36without straws unless requested.
- 1:10:38So that's one way of doing it.
- 1:10:39So restaurants could just not serve it
- 1:10:41and then people like I want my plastic
- 1:10:43straw and then they
- 1:10:43have to give it to them.
- 1:10:44Nobody wants to have
- 1:10:45that kind of conflict.
- 1:10:46Then there's a status quo by so people
- 1:10:48stick to what's familiar.
- 1:10:49So like I said plastic straws have been
- 1:10:51in our culture for a long time here in
- 1:10:53North America anyway,
- 1:10:54and we see it all over the world and
- 1:10:55sometimes people think it's cleaner.
- 1:10:57Some people don't want to drink out of
- 1:10:58the drink because it's been reused by a
- 1:11:00lot of people even
- 1:11:00though dishwashers are crazy.
- 1:11:02When you think about how much they clean
- 1:11:04and how hot they get but regardless
- 1:11:06people just don't like to
- 1:11:07get out of that norm, right?
- 1:11:09That what's familiar.
- 1:11:11So to ensure that sustainable
- 1:11:12alternatives are just
- 1:11:13as convenient or better.
- 1:11:14We have to like invest in better
- 1:11:16biodegradable materials
- 1:11:17instead of just banning plastic.
- 1:11:19So people want straws now.
- 1:11:20It's a matter of coming up with a better
- 1:11:22product that makes sure that people are
- 1:11:24like, okay, you know what?
- 1:11:24I actually like this a lot better and
- 1:11:26this is just like the social norms.
- 1:11:28People just follow the crowd.
- 1:11:29We all know this.
- 1:11:30We have cults that follow each other.
- 1:11:32We have people that follow each other.
- 1:11:33We always talk about how there's a hockey
- 1:11:34cult and there's a football cult and
- 1:11:36there's a basketball
- 1:11:37cult and all this thing.
- 1:11:38It's like a cult following movies want
- 1:11:40cult followings because people will
- 1:11:42follow what people suggest.
- 1:11:43And so if people are either for or
- 1:11:45against something you're going to be
- 1:11:47influenced by your peers who are for or
- 1:11:49against something right and so showing
- 1:11:52that most people are making the switch to
- 1:11:54reuse to sustainable
- 1:11:54alternatives might be better.
- 1:11:56So campaigns that highlight businesses or
- 1:11:58cities that are going plastic-free could
- 1:11:59be a good alternative like you know what?
- 1:12:01I like the fact that somebody is going
- 1:12:03out sustainable and I know how expensive.
- 1:12:04I know how hard it is.
- 1:12:05So I'm going to support that business
- 1:12:06more because that's my values.
- 1:12:09Not everybody's going to do that, but it
- 1:12:10shows a little more of a positive impact
- 1:12:12instead of a negative.
- 1:12:13We're going to take it away.
- 1:12:14So then there's just more licensing.
- 1:12:16I recycle so I can use a plastic straw.
- 1:12:19So there's a fact is like
- 1:12:19I do something sustainable.
- 1:12:20So that offsets whatever.
- 1:12:22I don't do that sustainable.
- 1:12:23I think that's what a lot of people feel.
- 1:12:25Then there's also
- 1:12:25like political identity.
- 1:12:27So it's avoid polarization.
- 1:12:29So keep the messaging
- 1:12:30inclusive and nonpartisan.
- 1:12:33That's really difficult
- 1:12:33thing to do these days.
- 1:12:34Isn't it?
- 1:12:35Even on this episode, I
- 1:12:36have a lot of problems.
- 1:12:37I just did an episode on what was the
- 1:12:39cuts to know and EPA in the comments.
- 1:12:41I got man and even
- 1:12:42responding to the comments.
- 1:12:43I had to learn a lesson or two.
- 1:12:44Let's just be honest.
- 1:12:45And so having the focus on shared values
- 1:12:49of values people like nature people like
- 1:12:52being outdoors a lot of people like that.
- 1:12:54So to be able to focus on protecting the
- 1:12:57outdoors protecting what you see enjoying
- 1:12:59that pristine this and that quietness and
- 1:13:01that just health of the environment
- 1:13:03because it's healthy to the people there
- 1:13:06are people on both sides the aisle or all
- 1:13:08sides the aisle that love nature.
- 1:13:09And that's what we need to really focus
- 1:13:11on is those shared values.
- 1:13:12So there are five things that in the
- 1:13:13future that we can do that will make a
- 1:13:15more effective campaign.
- 1:13:16So let's focus on bigger wins.
- 1:13:18So instead of just straws target high
- 1:13:20impact pollution sources.
- 1:13:22So plastic bags
- 1:13:22fishing gear microplastics.
- 1:13:25These will all be better.
- 1:13:26So policy efforts should tackle corporate
- 1:13:29plastic waste not
- 1:13:30just consumer behaviors.
- 1:13:31Let's start getting at the bigger impact
- 1:13:33here bigger means better.
- 1:13:35So not just individual
- 1:13:36waste talk about bigger impacts.
- 1:13:38Let's be honest when we talk about
- 1:13:39businesses even
- 1:13:40businesses here in Burlington,
- 1:13:42Ontario a lot of the like where the
- 1:13:44office where everybody's going back to
- 1:13:45office all the offices.
- 1:13:46They don't necessarily
- 1:13:46have recycling programs.
- 1:13:48It's all a sham.
- 1:13:49So let's talk about reducing the waste at
- 1:13:51corporate levels and at businesses and we
- 1:13:53can start doing a lot better providing
- 1:13:55better alternatives.
- 1:13:56So invest in better materials like we
- 1:13:58talked about biodegradable options that
- 1:13:59truly break down in the marine
- 1:14:01environment and not in your mouth.
- 1:14:03That's really what comes down to so paper
- 1:14:04straws need to get stronger, which I do
- 1:14:06believe again stronger.
- 1:14:07I just went to the movies the other day
- 1:14:08had a paper straw and it
- 1:14:10actually lasted the entire movie.
- 1:14:11No problem.
- 1:14:12So I don't know what
- 1:14:12people are talking about.
- 1:14:13Maybe it's like the old type of
- 1:14:15materials, but this is a little better.
- 1:14:17But you have to invest in better
- 1:14:18alternatives so that people are like,
- 1:14:19yeah, I can see this.
- 1:14:20This is not that big of a deal, right?
- 1:14:22Especially when we talk about the
- 1:14:23resistance to behavior change.
- 1:14:25So shift bands to smart policies.
- 1:14:27So use opt-out strategies like we talked
- 1:14:29about restaurants being like, you know,
- 1:14:30what we're not going to serve it unless
- 1:14:32you ask for it, right?
- 1:14:33Or we're going to serve different ones
- 1:14:34until like we're not
- 1:14:35forcing people to take it.
- 1:14:37So implement incentive.
- 1:14:38So rather than punishments give discounts
- 1:14:40for bringing a reusable cup.
- 1:14:42That's not a bad idea.
- 1:14:43So make it a positive experience and then
- 1:14:46for engage the public
- 1:14:47with positive messaging.
- 1:14:49So instead of don't use plastic straws
- 1:14:51say join millions of ocean protectors
- 1:14:53reducing plastic waste or small changes
- 1:14:56create a cleaner ocean.
- 1:14:58The last thing is use
- 1:14:59local leaders and communities.
- 1:15:00So instead of top-down government bands,
- 1:15:02let businesses influencers and
- 1:15:04communities lead the change.
- 1:15:07These are the different things that we
- 1:15:08can do from a behavior change perspective
- 1:15:10that will help future
- 1:15:11campaigns from working.
- 1:15:12Let's not just focus
- 1:15:13on the little things.
- 1:15:14Let's focus on bigger impact.
- 1:15:16Get people to like get the owners off the
- 1:15:18individual and more on a community level
- 1:15:20and get people behind the campaign
- 1:15:22instead of just
- 1:15:23talking about it against it.
- 1:15:24And let's not force things on people.
- 1:15:25Let's allow them to
- 1:15:26choose people like choice.
- 1:15:28Let's force them.
- 1:15:29So that's sort of the
- 1:15:29end of this episode.
- 1:15:30I want to just kind of let people know
- 1:15:32like I am for banning plastic.
- 1:15:35I am for this type of work, but maybe
- 1:15:37this is not the right way of
- 1:15:38doing this type of campaign.
- 1:15:39We've seen this done all
- 1:15:41over the US all over Canada.
- 1:15:42And although it makes it easier to take
- 1:15:45out single-use plastics altogether.
- 1:15:46And I do agree with some of these bands.
- 1:15:48Maybe give people the choice.
- 1:15:51Maybe allow business to lead with the
- 1:15:52choice and focus on incentives rather
- 1:15:54than taking away and maybe
- 1:15:56giving a little discount.
- 1:15:57It's a little hard to
- 1:15:57live out here, right?
- 1:15:58A little hard to live.
- 1:15:59Some discounts would really help from
- 1:16:01businesses and even
- 1:16:02government incentives.
- 1:16:03So that's the episode for today.
- 1:16:05I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
- 1:16:06What you thought went wrong with the
- 1:16:08plastic band and how you
- 1:16:09think it could do better.
- 1:16:10I don't care if you're Republican, if
- 1:16:11you're Democrat, if you're liberal
- 1:16:13conservative, I would
- 1:16:14love to hear what you think.
- 1:16:16Is it even worth it at all?
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- 1:16:40today's episode of the How
- 1:16:41to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 1:16:43I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 1:16:44Have a great day.
- 1:16:44We'll talk to you next
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