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Michelle Hadley - Rape Fantasy For Hire · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: One of the best parts of life is that things
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  Speaker 1: don't always work out the way you plan. The result
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  Speaker 1: can be an adventure that takes you to places you
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  Speaker 1: never thought you'd ever see, or experiences that help create
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  Speaker 1: memories that you can look back on for years to come.
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  Speaker 1: With good, though, there must also come the bad. Today's
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  Speaker 1: story has many moments that turn out much different than
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  Speaker 1: you'd expect. As our subject today, Michelle Hadley, would find
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  Speaker 1: out she would find herself in the middle of a nightmare,
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  Speaker 1: nightmare that keeps getting worse and worse, and even when
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  Speaker 1: she tries to escape and get away from it all,
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  Speaker 1: it just keeps getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcasting. The following podcast material more mature
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  Speaker 1: audience listener discretion. I'm pretty sure Ripley is going to
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  Speaker 1: wake up with like the most of sore necks ever
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  Speaker 1: right now. Look at her.
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  Speaker 2: No, she sleeps in weird positions all the time.
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  Speaker 1: She does, but she's not a young, spry, little pup anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what the heck? I actually took them to the
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  Speaker 2: dog park today and some lady was looking at rip
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  Speaker 2: and her dog was quite young, I guess, and she
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  Speaker 2: was looking at Rip and she was like, oh, you
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  Speaker 2: got some gray hairs. You're not a young pup. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like herself, it was like, she's four. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: Like what do you mean.
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  Speaker 1: She's a husky. She's half like white hair, I know,
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  Speaker 1: half gray, half black.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little bit insulted, actually, So it's like,
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  Speaker 2: what she is not old? No, that is not old.
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  Speaker 2: And here she is running around like a crazy person.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, what the heck she.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't know what she's talking about. Yeah, Honey. On the
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  Speaker 1: other hand, I think she's curled up like a little
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  Speaker 1: freaking sweet angel over there. She's fitting into the tiny
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  Speaker 1: home like perfectly. She's officially completely comfortable. She has made
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  Speaker 1: her home. It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: She stresses me out, though, but.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, she just had one escape venture the other day.
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  Speaker 2: She only escapes when I'm home. It seems like I
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  Speaker 2: literally take my eye off them for five minutes and
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  Speaker 2: then I go out there and Honey's not in the
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  Speaker 2: freaking yard.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, it's the curse.
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  Speaker 2: It makes my heart just stop.
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  Speaker 1: It's a curse. You are cursed. The dogs will only
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  Speaker 1: escape when you're home, not when I am.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, soon enough, you will be home all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true because I only have like a week
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  Speaker 1: and a half left until I am completely done my
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  Speaker 1: nine to five job, jumping in full to like videography
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  Speaker 1: work slash podcasting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm super pumped. There's gonna be a lot more
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  Speaker 1: content getting pushed out on Patreon, for example, in our
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  Speaker 1: social media, so you can expect to see that coming
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  Speaker 1: in the in the coming weeks. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Patreon, we got some people saying don't we
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  Speaker 2: we do.
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  Speaker 1: And thank you for sending me a list. I have
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  Speaker 1: four individuals here starting with Ozzy Carlson, Tamara Newcombe, Amanda Ashcraft,
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  Speaker 1: and Amanda Carlson.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much to all you guys for joining
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  Speaker 1: us over on Patreons.
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  Speaker 2: Amanda's henh yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: Two with the last name Carlson as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh seriously, okay, I miss that part. Yeah wow.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to be getting some awesome content. Like
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  Speaker 1: we did a little pre show for this episode. We
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  Speaker 1: do a pre show like every other episode, it seems like,
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  Speaker 1: and just throw it out there with some cool conversations
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  Speaker 1: and at the end of the month even think it what.
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  Speaker 2: Exclusive episode three months?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way you can hear the episode is
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  Speaker 1: on Patreon, And we're actually building a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: library over there now.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so when you sign up too, like you
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  Speaker 2: can literally go and listen to all of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so sign up, you got the whole back library
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  Speaker 1: of episodes. You can go through it. I'll listen to
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  Speaker 1: all those awesome ones cause I mean, like we have like,
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  Speaker 1: what one hundred and thirty episodes now on our like
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  Speaker 1: regular podcast library. We've probably got another like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: thirty episodes twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we should buy a list to actually put
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  Speaker 2: it out there.
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  Speaker 1: We are, we got in the coming out in the
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  Speaker 1: coming weeks is actually going to be an addition onto
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  Speaker 1: our website that only patrons can access. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: nice easy access library that I can see at all,
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  Speaker 1: like boom right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we can share that on Instagram to which
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  Speaker 2: cases we've done. Oh yeah, so people can see if
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  Speaker 2: they're interested.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's not a bad idea, actually, good good call.
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  Speaker 1: What else we got to talk about? Oh, okay, as
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  Speaker 1: cliche as it is, there is something we want to
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  Speaker 1: touch on the.
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  Speaker 2: Weather, Oh my gosh, are we touching on the weather?
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  Speaker 1: We are because I'm sorry, I'm stupid excited with the weather.
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  Speaker 1: We already mentioned it as we were talking to patrons earlier.
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  Speaker 1: But snow's melting Cavin fever.
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  Speaker 2: I think touch on this. How about we touch on
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  Speaker 2: this every week until we have no snow because people
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  Speaker 2: are probably just shocked. But we literally still have Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think not two feet anymore. I know, probably like
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  Speaker 2: at least a foot and a half though in some areas.
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  Speaker 1: In some areas, I think a foot is our average.
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  Speaker 1: But if you go, like Dent to the downtown area,
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  Speaker 1: where there's a little more like you know, pollution and warmth,
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  Speaker 1: different buildings and cars, there's not a whole lot left,
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  Speaker 1: if any. But we're on the outskirts of town where
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  Speaker 1: there's snows.
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  Speaker 2: Hire elevation up here. That's right. The dog park actually
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  Speaker 2: Heart had very little.
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  Speaker 1: Which is good. But that's downtown too. It's downtown, so
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  Speaker 1: we probably have a good average of a foot of
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  Speaker 1: snow still in our lawns and everything. It's not cool.
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  Speaker 2: I think it will be here for at least two
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  Speaker 2: more weeks probably.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well put it this way. I got a Facebook
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  Speaker 1: memory popped up. What was it last week? I was
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  Speaker 1: fishing on open water seven years ago on lake Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that same day my dad was ice fishing on
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  Speaker 1: the same fucking lake this year.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so seven years I was like, what do
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  Speaker 2: you mean. At the same time, I was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: so dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Seven years ago, seven years ago, there's no ice in
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  Speaker 1: the lake. This year ice fishing, ice fishing. When he
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  Speaker 1: was drilling through, he said there was like a foot
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  Speaker 1: and a half two feet of ice on it. Still.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had a particularly harsh winter.
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  Speaker 1: You said shitty winter.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a particularly shitty.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it hit us mostly in in February
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  Speaker 2: or so, so that's why we're having all this extra
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  Speaker 2: yeah right now too, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we've been getting a lot of shitty spring
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  Speaker 1: weather too. It's been freezing overnight, so yeah, cabin fever
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  Speaker 1: is soon going to go out the window. We're able
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  Speaker 1: to go outside and explore and melty snow and sun
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  Speaker 1: and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Melty snow and sun and stuff. It was snowing today, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: which is bullshit. I don't know if you knew that.
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  Speaker 1: I did know that nothing stuck it with just some
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  Speaker 1: flakes coming down. Yeah, crisis averted. All right, you ready
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  Speaker 1: to get into this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready to roll.
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  Speaker 1: This is not the case that I was hoping to
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  Speaker 1: cover this week. The one I was going to cover
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  Speaker 1: this week is a little bit more involved, as I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned last time, so I'm pushing it off again to
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  Speaker 1: have the proper time to research that one. This one, though,
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  Speaker 1: it is just as involved. I was able to actually
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  Speaker 1: get the research done for this one, which is nice.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Here, really, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: So this case is the case of Michelle Susan Hadley.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Michelle was a twenty nine year old woman who
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  Speaker 1: was born on December twentieth of nineteen eighty six in Upland, California,
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  Speaker 1: to Michael and Susan Hadley. Now. She moved with her
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  Speaker 1: parents and her younger sister to Ontario, California when she
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  Speaker 1: was a younger kid. It was there that she would
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  Speaker 1: grow up and blossom into the person that people knew
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  Speaker 1: and loved. Her and her family were devout Christians, and
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  Speaker 1: Michelle was described as quiet, intelligent, a driven young woman.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't partake in any of the typical alluring lifestyles
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  Speaker 1: of others her age, as she began to grow up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, some of those lifestyles being things like
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  Speaker 1: you know, partying, risk taking. For me example, like I
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  Speaker 1: go cliff jumping, that sort of stuff, you know, running
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  Speaker 1: on the railroad tracks or who knows what these darn
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  Speaker 1: kids are getting up to these days.
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  Speaker 2: You know, would you still cliff jump at your age?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just curious sells.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just might not go as high. You could
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  Speaker 1: still jump off a cliff into like four.
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  Speaker 2: Feet down five feet that's fine as long.
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  Speaker 1: As it's a cliff. You know, that's still cliff jumping.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah. She believed rules were to be followed, not
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  Speaker 1: to be broken. With her morals intact, she had a
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  Speaker 1: clean criminal history. She was just a good kid. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this didn't mean that she stayed out of the spotlight though,
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  Speaker 1: just because she kept her nose clean, was quiet. She
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  Speaker 1: kind of didn't seek out the spotlight per se. She
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a center of attention kind of person. But in
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  Speaker 1: high school she was a track star who was often
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  Speaker 1: pushing the envelope for kids her age and all that
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. She was actually getting quite the accomplishments
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  Speaker 1: on her shoulder. Nice Because of this, it ended up
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  Speaker 1: earning her a scholarship to a college in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big deal. Oh, yes, it must have been good.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, scholarships are like no joke, man, Yeah you
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  Speaker 1: get those. That's a merit on you for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So, eventually, in two thousand and nine, she would graduate
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  Speaker 1: with a bachelor's degree, but also with an engagement ring
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  Speaker 1: proudly displayed on her finger. She was actually engaged to
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  Speaker 1: her high school sweetheart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh isn't that just the best?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely, just like us high school.
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  Speaker 2: Sweetheart in case you didn't know, yeap.
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  Speaker 1: However, unfortunately, though, like many relationships that start young, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't last.
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  Speaker 2: We've heard that a few times. It's not gonna work.
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  Speaker 2: It's not gonna last.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been lasting so far, so hopefully it keeps
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  Speaker 1: that way. Unfortunately for Michelle, though, it didn't work out
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  Speaker 1: the same wayang. They would separate and go their separate
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  Speaker 1: ways in twenty fourteen, only four years after their wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so they did, so they got married. Four
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  Speaker 2: years later they divorced.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. Okay, so now single and on her own for
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  Speaker 1: the first time as an adult. And by like on
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  Speaker 1: her own, I mean like as a single adult on
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  Speaker 1: her own, you know, not a partner to be dependent on.
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  Speaker 1: So Michelle was not too eager to jump into the
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  Speaker 1: world of dating. She had been with the same partner
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  Speaker 1: for years, and in fact, he was the only one
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  Speaker 1: that she'd ever dated, so the idea of starting at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning wasn't a fantastic thought, and rightfully so, I
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  Speaker 1: can't blame her. Oh yeah, if we were to just
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  Speaker 1: split right now, I wouldn't even know what the fuck.
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  Speaker 2: It would be very daunting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'd be at the super market being like,
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  Speaker 1: hi there, wow, I see you have eggs in your basket.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's not how you chat at home. You're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I would just get so many chicks, like all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, eggs in the basket. Chicks.
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  Speaker 2: You so much confidence. So it's funny hearing you speak
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 1: I probably I have false confidence. I like to think
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  Speaker 1: i'd be fantastic, but in reality situation, I'm sure I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm glad that I was right.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, no, the podcast is over,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you how awesome I do. But yeah, reality
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  Speaker 1: is Though, Michelle wasn't like too fond of the idea
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  Speaker 1: going out there talking to people. I can understand, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be.
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  Speaker 2: Fond of it, No, I completely understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So instead she found herself focusing on her career.
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  Speaker 1: She worked at a job as a marketing support manager
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  Speaker 1: for an insurance company. Now Here she would dedicate nearly
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  Speaker 1: all her time and energy, and she would at times
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  Speaker 1: even clock seventy hours a week. Yeah, which left absolutely
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  Speaker 1: zero time for dating, even if she did want to.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's actually like not healthy though, that's a terrible
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  Speaker 2: work life balance exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean I understand if someone's enjoying it and
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  Speaker 1: if someone is working forward something, So no hate on it.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you own your own business like
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  Speaker 2: I do, I probably actually clock that many hours some
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  Speaker 2: weeks for sure, probably, so who might as talk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the funny thing is, though the world has
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  Speaker 1: an interesting way of working. Sometimes now you try and
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  Speaker 1: turn to blind eye and not seek something out, so
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  Speaker 1: sometimes instead that thing often comes looking for you. So
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't even a year later when Michelle will be
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  Speaker 1: at a Starbucks grabbing a coffee on her break when
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  Speaker 1: she would catch the eye of someone. Now the ma'am
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  Speaker 1: was Ian Diaz. He was struck by her beauty, and
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  Speaker 1: he introduced himself, and against Michelle's thoughts on dating, she
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  Speaker 1: found herself dropping her guard and being wrapped up in
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  Speaker 1: this guy as he kind of spoke to her. He
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  Speaker 1: was quite charming, sweet, and he was a US marshal
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  Speaker 1: at that and before she knew it, she found herself
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  Speaker 1: giving him her phone number so they could keep in
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  Speaker 1: touch and see each other again. Look at that, and
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  Speaker 1: so they did. They saw each other again, and then
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  Speaker 1: they were head over here eels. In fact, it was
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  Speaker 1: moving pretty fast, and it was only two dates later
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  Speaker 1: that Ian would say those three powerful words, I love you.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay there I was like thinking, is there
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  Speaker 2: are you dropping a bomb? Is it some other three words?
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  Speaker 3: But really yeah, he said, I lost quick only two
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  Speaker 3: dates later. Sometimes you know, you know, maybe yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: I mean she felt the same way. She said, it
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  Speaker 3: seemed like so so right, it seemed to just fit.
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  Speaker 3: And this was like there were two puzzle pieces, like
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  Speaker 3: nothing felt wrong about it.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, good for that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it was spring of twenty fourteen when the two
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  Speaker 1: moved in together, and this is when Michelle would realize
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  Speaker 1: just who Ian really was.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, So is he a terrible person?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into it. And I mean, at first,
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  Speaker 1: things weren't like. At first, things weren't too bad. Ian
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  Speaker 1: did have a very controlling side, though, and he would
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  Speaker 1: begin showing it more and more. He started trying to
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  Speaker 1: tell her how he wanted her to dress and present herself.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted her to be more sexy. Oh wow, which
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  Speaker 1: I mean in itself isn't too harmful if it's a
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  Speaker 1: conversation between two consenting people exploring their sexuality together, being like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you should wear that, like that outfit that I really
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  Speaker 1: like to dinner tonight, like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that, right, There are I think
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  Speaker 2: circumstances where that can be totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but boundaries.
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  Speaker 2: But then if she wants to wear something else, like,
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  Speaker 2: she can fucking wear something else exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but in this case it was very one sided.
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  Speaker 1: He was very much so like, yeah, you should, you
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  Speaker 1: should do this, you should do that. Like he he
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  Speaker 1: had ideas of wanting to wear crop tops all the time.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted her to put on more makeup, he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do like carlic nails, he wanted oh wow. He
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  Speaker 1: was even pressuring her to pierce her belly button.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't love any of this at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, which again Devil's advocate, I was pressuring you to
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  Speaker 1: pierce your nose recently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but honestly that you had You've been wanting me
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  Speaker 2: to forever.
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  Speaker 1: Only because you wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I have mentioned it and lots of
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  Speaker 2: times and like, I'm what, I want to do it
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  Speaker 2: so fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing I was fucking off right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would bring it up like every few months, being like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you ever pierce your nose? And you'd be like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one day and be like, Okay, I think you should
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  Speaker 1: do it soon. Yeah, And that's about the extent.
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  Speaker 2: And then I did it when I wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: it exactly.
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  Speaker 1: No, He's like, I want you to pierce she belly
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, here's she belly button.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, let's go now. That just like makes me so uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was really trying to push this. He clearly
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  Speaker 1: had alter like what's the word, I'm looking for ulterior motives.
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  Speaker 1: He had an agenda sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: He was trying to create something that she wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly and all of that sort of stuff he's trying
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: to create was exactly against the very nature of who
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Michelle was.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: He would manage to convince her of many things over
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the course of their relationship, one of which was to
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: leave her current job where she put in all these hours.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: He convinced her to leave her job and start a
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: marketing position at Disneyland, which is a place that's fun.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: It is and it's a place said he previously worked at,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: and he knew many people who were still employed there.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: So in this position, Michelle would take a twenty thousand
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: dollars pay cut oh annually.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: That's substantial.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: And in this position she would also be under the
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: watchful eye of many people who could report back to Ian.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I kind kind of wondering if that's where
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: that was going.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That's definitely where that was going.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: So he had her right where he wanted her. She
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: was dependent on him now with the pay cut, she
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: was always under his watch. They were living together, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: she was beginning to get her to do more and
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: more things that he wanted.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Gosh, okay, I'm like all hot and bothered here, not
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: a good way I do not. She clarified that I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: do not like what's going on here at all.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Well, their relationship, though it was not the best in
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Michelle's eyes, it was still one worth being a part of.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: It wasn't getting terrible.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yet she still loved him.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: She still loved him. Most of these things were just
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: minor red flags at this point. He's not like forcing
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: her to wear crop tops. He's not forcing her to
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: get the belly button. It's just a lot of pressure on. Okay,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he's putting a lot of pressure, and it's
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: starting to get more and more. But she still does
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: love him, and she still wasn't aware of all the manipulation,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: necessarily to a degree. But even still she would be
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: blind blinded by the love for him, right, and even
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: more so when he proposed to her under the iconic
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree in New York City Rockefeller Center.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Shit, I mean gosh, I feel like someone will propose
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: to me that way now, and I'd say yes, thanks.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: You should remember you're married.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: That's just the most iconic thing you can do, right.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, He literally bought her plane tickets, flew her
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: there for her birthday, and proposed to her under the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree right there.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, well, I kind of do.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Really like that, and she of course said that yes. Now,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: this again was another turning point in the relaflationship. It
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: was no longer just asking and convincing her to dress sexier.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Ian wanted his new fiance to have sex with other
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: men and to let him watch. Okay, again, Devil's advocate.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: If all parties are consenting, there's no harm harm in.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: This, right, If she's into that as well, yeah, I.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Mean, like whatever floats your boat. The only problem is Michelle.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: As previously mentioned, was it about Christian and the whole
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: cuckhold situation, because that's the definition of this, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: someone who gets off on watching their partner in a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: sexual relationship.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to do this, she.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Didn't and it's far from her beliefs. She didn't want
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to do this. It's not even part of what she
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: believes in.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Just no, right, Okay, yeah, that's not good at all.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Still, though, Ian managed to chip away and eventually convince
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: her and coerce her into it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so under the influence of apparent cold medication and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: several shots of fireball, and of course, tired of the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: harassing cont didn't do this, do this, do this. She
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: finally caved, and she finally agreed. So Ian found a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: stranger on the internet from a website with a less
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: than positive reputation known as Craig's List.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Oh my word, yes, okay, it just keeps getting worse. Okay.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So that night she engaged with the stranger while Ian
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: watched Okay. The next morning, Michelle was filled with utter
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: regret with what happened, even more so when she saw
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the video that Ian had recorded. Oh shit, yeah, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: she begged him to delete the video.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is bad.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: He refused to delete it. He didn't seem to care
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: at all about the feelings of his fiance going through
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: all this regret, and instead of accepting his part that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: he played and coercing her, he just simply blamed her,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: saying that it's not like anyone put a gun to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: your head and make you do it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, this is un believable. So it's almost like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he did this to have some serious blackmail against her.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Oh and it's kind of what I'm feeling like.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: But at this point it can be perceived as that, okay,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that there's a potential for this to be blackmail, but no,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: it's not blackmail material, it's that's just him. Okay, he
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: just gets off on that sort of shit. Gosh, and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I mean unfortunately she she believed him. She's like, yeah, no,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: one did put a gun to my head. He didn't
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: make me do this. But just because he didn't physically
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: make you doesn't mean he fucking didn't gaslight you into this,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: which is exactly what he did.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if he's constantly preshing her and bringing it
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: up and she's feeling like she's not making him happy
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: because she's not giving him what he wants or whatever,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: she and then she goes and does it, and then
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: it's like he's almost, well, I didn't make you do it,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Like what the actual fuck?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly, So she believed him. She's like, it is my fault,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is what she's thinking. Wow, it's not him, it's me.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Are they married at this point?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Or not disengaged? Right?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Just engaged? Yeah?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: So four months later after this, the relationship continues. The
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: two would buy a four hundred and seventy thousand dollars
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: condo together. Both their names are on the mortgage, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of which Michelle paid the deposit all on her own.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Instead of this being, you know, the thing to bring
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: them closer together like she was hoping, it was actually
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a thing that drove him even farther apart. Ian was brutal,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: his temper only growing more and more. There were countless
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: verbal fights and even physical altercations where he would in
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: one instant, pin her down, forcing her in it as
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: will not I don't want to. I kind of worded
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that bad. He didn't sexually abuse her or anything. It
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was just a physical altercation. Okay, Okay. Finally, though she
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: saw that Ian was a major problem, she began to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: realize it's not me, it's him. He's this problem in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: this relationship.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Tim, I'm glad that she had realization.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she realized she needed to leave. Okay, So
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: by August that year, she did right on. Ian of course,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was furious. He watched as she sped off in her
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: car to go live with her mom and her dad,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and over the course of the next year, a long
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: legal battle over the condo would ensue. And this is
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: where Michelle let her anger get the better of her.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: She sent Ian angry biblical emails filled with cursing and damnation,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: threatening his eventual judgment from both the law and the Lord.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: And I mean it was kind of out of out
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: of bad taste, but there was nothing really threatening per
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: se about it. You can kind of read into it
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and assume, but she didn't say like I'm going to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: kill you. It was just like you're going to get
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: what's coming to you. You're going to be judged one
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: day like all this sort of like the wrath of God.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: This sort of stuff right, very biblical as it sounded,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and as terrifying as it could be coming across she
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was actually the one who was terrified. Ian, due to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: his law enforcement background, had access to firearms. In fact,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: he had a license to carry, and she even noticed
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: unmarked vans following her around on a regular basis. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: she began to think that he was using his authority
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: as an officer of law to have other people follow her. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: which ain't cool.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: No, So she's just like scared shitless.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: He oh, I'm rightfully so, oh yeah. Could you imagine
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: just driving around after this sort of relationship and then
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: seeing an unmarked van just following you?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck this shit, I'm out, I know, holy fuck.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Like I don't even know how you'd really have a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: restless sleep.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it probably wouldn't.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Oh boy. Okay.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Now, she had reported him to both her school and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: her workplace in hopes of like getting him banned, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: apparently it was only the school that had listened. Her
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: workplace didn't take it too seriously, but it did piss
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: him off when he found out that he was banned
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: from where she was still going to school. Good and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in return, he reported her to the authorities for her
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: threatening emails, and he also applied for a restraining order,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: though it was denied and he was unsuccessful.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Yeah, I mean the fact that he
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: has those emails that sucks.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It does, so that's kind of that. It was left
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: at that. They're kind of working towards their legal things,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: trying to just move on with their lives, and eventually
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: they did agree to some legal terms in the condo
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: where you know, he's going to continue to living in there,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: which he currently is, and she's going to continue to pay,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and there's going to be some about how if he fails,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: they're going to try and sell it together and split it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't dive too much into that they're going to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: be splitting the cost of the eventually here, but in
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the meantime he is still living there.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And while he's living there, Ian met someone else.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was thinking, what does he do? Does he
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: destroy it? Does he like lower the value? But okay,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: he meets someone else.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: He meets someone else, and he meets someone by the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: name of Angela Connell, and the two of them moved fast,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: so fast that they actually married one month after meeting. Yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: so was now Angela Diaz. And three months after that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: they announced they were expecting twins.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, that's very quick.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So Ian had a new woman in his life, a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: new bride in fact, a family with kids on the way,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and a home that was supposed to be Michelle's was
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: supposed to be her mm hmmm.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Because so this family is living in that condo.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a condo that she is still currently paying.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm sure it was, you know, not so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: good news for Michelle to hear when she did discover this. Now,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I know we have a few turning points already in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: this story, so I do just want to clarify. Buckle up,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: because here's another one, and there's more to come still,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: but while living her new and happy life, Angela with
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Ian one day received an onslaught of threatening biblical emails. Okay,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: one of which, for example, read this, you deserve nothing
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: but a life of lonely torture. I have ways to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: hurt you. There is no place you will be safe anymore. Now,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: this one particularly isn't very biblical, but many of them
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: were on the biblical lines. So it's quite a horrific
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: email to receive. And unfortunately it's exactly what this email
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: did say when Angela received it in twenty sixteen.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: She has to know a little bit of this backstory, though,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: what's that like? The backstory? Angela? Like his name's Ian, right, Yes,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: he would have had to, or maybe he wouldn't. I'm
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: curious if you share anything in regards to about Michelle
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to Angela.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: He most definitely would have because Michelle, Michelle knew I'm sorry,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Angela knew of Michelle. And ok yeah, okay, because when
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: all these emails were pouring in, she sees she's getting
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: them from Michelle, and she knows who Michelle is. Okay,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: so yeah, so Angela just tried to simply ignore these
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: emails at first, but the messages persist. They began with
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: death threats. They began with threats of having people come
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: over and rape her. Oh, and even threats on the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: lives of killing her unborn children.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: My gosh, Okay, that's too that's too far.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: It gets worse because they also the emails began having
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: attachments to them of images of women being killed, beaten
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: head bodies, survivors and non survivors of violent assaults, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: even gruesome images of fetuses.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Really, hey, yes, key, And I don't know, I like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is this legitimately Michelle doing this?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Angela was receiving these emails from I believe it was
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: upwards of six different accounts, all under the name of
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Michelle Hadley.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: H I'm not fully convinced that it's the Michelle that's
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: sending me no why Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: gonna eat these words, but like I was on her
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: side like a few minutes ago here and now it
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem so good. So I don't know, I'm gonna
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: just keep listening.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Well, it was all too much for Angela. She wanted
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to get off social media. She didn't want to have
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: any contact with Michelle in any way, shape or form,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: so she deleted her profiles, and she was terrified to
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the point that she was becoming a recluse. She was
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: staying inside, staying away much as she could, and the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: emails kept coming in, and so eventually she filed for
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a restraining order against Michelle. However, even with the restraining
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: order being filed, that emails didn't stop, and police were
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: now very concerned for Angela's safety, especially when they realized
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that Ian had also filed a similar complaint against Michelle
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in the past. With these biblical threatening emails, so safety
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was a concern because she has a history of this already.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So not long after Angela had her successful restraining order
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in place, Angela was sitting at home one day and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: her email box once again starting getting flooded with emails.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: This time though, it was in response to a Craigslist ad,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: an ominous post that offered to hire men to fulfill
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a rape fantasy. Okay, the ad gave Angela's dress, descriptive
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of her oh, what she looked like, where she lived,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: phone number, even gave her dog walking routine, what the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: dog looked like in the breed, offering to pay men
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to come and grab her, force her into her home
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and fulfill this rape fantasy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, See at first I didn't quite I didn't quite
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: get what you meant here about. Holy shit. Yeah, so
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: someone has put an ad out for her, yes, saying
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that she has a desire to be raped.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Correct someone, wow, is impersonating Angela on Craigslist and she
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: is now receiving email responses from people who are willing
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to fulfill the ad.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is really disturbing that. That is actually terrifying,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: isn't it. Wow? Okay, Like I'm I'm really I don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: even know what to say to that. That's let that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: sink in terrifying. Wow, I've never I don't know, I'm
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: just ever. Oh sometimes I just think I'm like too pier.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I would just never have thought of like something so
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: terrible to do to someone like that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And how easy would it be to do that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: To Oh gosh, that's disturbing. Yeah, it would be easy.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Someone could take five minutes out of their day and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: do that to someone. That's it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, I mean, I guess there's ways of
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: going about tracking who it is and stuff. Oh definitely,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily super easy. Well, it's supers figure out
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: who it is right off the.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Bat well, I mean, IP addresses and all that sort
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: of stuff like it can be traced easy enough. But
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: if you want to put that out on someone, you
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: can do it. You're gonna get fucking caught, but you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So see, I'm just gonna throw out something just
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: so left fieldier and I know that I'm probably just
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: so like off okay, but for some reason, and I
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: think it might just be how you presented it, I
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: think Ian is a piece of shit. That's his name, right, Yes,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: it's Ian. For some reason, I just think Ian is
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: like such a piece of shit that like this is
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: coming from him, Okay, And I don't know why my
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: brain's going that way, but it is. And I'm sure
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: it's gonna have some sort of other outcome. But I'm
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just just sharing my thoughts.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, throwing your dart in the dart board seeing
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: if it sticks. Hey yeah, okay, Well I'm just gonna
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: leave it at that. We'll keep going and we'll see
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: if your theory plays out.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So after receiving these Craigslist responses, it would be three
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: days later when Angela would be viciously attacked in her
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: own garage.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, no.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Someone broke in tried to rape her, but she managed
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to fight them off.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's amazing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: By the time the police arrived, the individual had fled,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: but Angela was found in the garage basically in a panic.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, holy heck, she would just never feel safe ever. Yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: she needs to like flee this area.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So this was the last straw for police. Imediately went
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to find Michelle, who was just coming home from a
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: date when she found police pulling up. Police parked in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: her driveway as she was pulling up, and there she
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: was arrested, and they seized her phone, tablet, and laptop
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: under a warrant, and they sent her away to prison.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Now there, she spent one night in jail before her
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: parents paid her bail, which I believe I didn't write
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: this one down, but I believe it was only a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars bail that night and she was free.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I'd pay that for you.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you, I appreciate that. But the moment
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: she was free, Angela began receiving more responses from Craigslist
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: ads again about more rape fantasies.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because someone literally knows that she just got
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: out of jail.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but who ian Ian? Okay, you're sticking with.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: That, eh, I don't know.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Well, as a result of this second round of Craigslist ads,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a seventeen year old boy who thought the income counter
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was consensual, was found lurking outside of Angela's place three
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: weeks later, and Michelle was once again arrested. Her bail
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: this time, though, was one million dollars and she faced
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: life in prison.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean some serious shit's going down here
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: like this is terrifying.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And of course this time her parents couldn't pay bail,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: they couldn't get her out.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Well, no, that's a big chunk of change.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, I don't definitely have that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I would be able to do that. I would do
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that for you. I'm sorry, fair enough, I can't expect that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So eighty eight days doesn't sound like a whole lot
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to most people, and I mean it really isn't, especially
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: considering the grand scheme of like life. But it mustn't
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: have felt like it must have fell get dragged on
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: forever for Michelle while she was sitting in prison, because
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: she spent eighty eight days locked behind bars for those
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: emails in those posts, all eighty eight days for a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: crime that she claimed she didn't commit. Okay, Michelle always
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: claimed that she was innocent. But then again, I mean
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Do, right, Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm sure there's probably
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a high percentage of people in jail right now that
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: say they didn't do it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I'm innocent. I'll tell you.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Some of them might not.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Have, but it's very possible.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: The majority of them in there, I'm sure have.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah, she just stood aground. She said it
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't her, and that she was telling the truth, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: she was almost certain she knew who it was. She
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: was certain it was her ex fiance behind it all.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm like, Michelle, I believe you. It
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't you.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Well, while Michelle was behind bars, her parents, like I said,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: couldn't pay her bail. But what they could do is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: they could hire a good lawyer with what with what
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: money they did have. Sorry, I stumbled out there. And
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: while they were doing that, they were able to look
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and see if they could unravel the story and what
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: really happened. And that's exactly what did occur. The story
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: began to unwind and reveal itself. It's also at this
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: point that it really began to show that law enforcement
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: were clearly not doing their job or really even attempting to.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I think I'm onto something here.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: So well, a little bit of basic digging from Michelle's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: parents and lawyer began to unearth every bit of truth.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Michelle couldn't be responsible. School records show that she was
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in class with many alibis with.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Other students, all her classmates.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, teacher, when a lot of these emails were being sent.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Other documents showed that she was briefly hospitalized for another
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: time when emails were being sent. A simple eyepiece software
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a tracker was installed by her parents and they managed
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to download some messages and show that the IP was
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: not from Michelle's phone or any locations she had ever
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: been been at during anything being sent.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Good parents, I like them.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and all this is being done from the comfort
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of their own home. Yet police didn't even attempt to
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: look at IP addresses or any sort of documentation on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: her whereabouts at all.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: They're just assuming it's her.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: They're just assuming they're taking the words.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: She spent eighty eight days in jail for God's sakes.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Yep. So she hadn't written any of these emails or
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the job posts on Craiglist. In fact, she had no
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: idea how they even got up there, and she now
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: had the evidence to back it up and prove it. However,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: as they were collecting all this and getting it ready
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to defend their daughter, something unexpected happened. Oh oh Ian Diaz,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Michelle's ex fiance, walked into the police office and confessed
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that he had just discovered his new wife, Angela, was
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: actually the one who'd been behind this whole thing. She
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: was sending the emails herself. She posts of the Craigslist ads.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, I never would have called that one, he said.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: He discovered this after he began to untangle a web
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of her lies, including one of a previous miscarriage while
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: they were together, and then finding out that it was
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: actually an aborted child because it was from a previous relationship. Okay,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: she wasn't sure who the father was, so aborted the child,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: claimed it was a miscarriage, and then was then pregnant
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: with his twins right. However, that pregnancy was also fake,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: one she falsified by purchasing ultrasound images off Etsy for
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: seven dollars.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Holy I didn't even know that was a thing.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: So police were forced to finally begin to do a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: proper investigation. And then we looked in and when they
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: looked into Angela closer, they found some damning evidence. All
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the emails and Craiglist posts were done using a VPN,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: which covers IP addresses. It essentially assigns a and a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: IPA address from somewhere else instead of your own right
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: which under a warrant you can easily dig up the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: real IPA address. So they were able to find that
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the ip address was coming from their condo, exactly where
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: she would be, and they also found eight separate online
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: email accounts under Michelle's name that Angela had created. They
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: also looked into security footage from their condo and Angela's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: assault in the garage. There was no.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Attacker, seriously, no way.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: It was Angela herself. She ripped her own shirt, bloodied
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: her own head, and called the cops all on her own.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Digging into her history prior to all of this, they
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: would uncover that she was a pathological liar, spinning lies
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: from basically everywhere she went. One lie that stuck out
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to me from her past. I don't want to dig
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: into too much of it, but one line in particular,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: even faked cervical cancer to manipulate an ex boyfriend.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: That is disgusting, isn't it. Huh? Okay, well, fuck this.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Though I thought I had this.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: In the bag, you thought you had it in the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: bag here I did, well.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: But this is way worse. Really, this is unbelievable. Well,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Is this worse? I don't know. I'm
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: gonna keep listening.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, In January sixth, twenty seventeen, she was finally arrested.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Angela was in cuffs, and the credit was all given
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to detectives for their hard work cracking the case, even
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: though that was far from the truth. Yeah, no kidding, Yeah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Michelle had her name dragged through the mud in national headlines.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Hopefully she got some sort of compensation.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Well, initially she only got a simple I'm sorry and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: an apology. No no, until she would later take the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: city to court and settled with not only a city
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: but also the police force on an undisclosed amount. Good,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: which is good, but still though Michelle didn't want money,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: That's not what she was after. She wanted justice. Angela
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: would plead guilty in October of twenty seventeen as part
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of a plea deal and only receive a five year sentence.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Whoa what?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: However, Angela was not Michelle's target for justice. It was Ian.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, say that again.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Michelle knew Angela was a part of this. She knew
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: she played a part, Okay, but she was insistent that
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Ian was the mastermind behind all of this.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she thinks she Okay, so maybe I'm not
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: totally okay, Okay, We're back into this now, I'm getting
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: excited again. That's so bad?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Are you good?
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I'm good? Yeah. Well, because she knows that he's a
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: piece of shit, so let's hear.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: This, okay. Well, she figured that when they split, he
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: was so enraged that heft that she left him that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he did all of this to exact revenge on her,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: even potentially part of getting the condo all to himself
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and not having to split the money with her as
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a result. Yeah, so the police were incredibly reluctant to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: charge Ian with anything or even investigate him on anything. Now,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: maybe they had a hard time pinning something on him
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: because they'd use Angelo to cover his tracks whatever, I mean, whatever,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: they're trying to protect one of their own. There's also
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: something called the blue wall, because during this whole case,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: his name was actually covered for a lot of it
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: while the two women were dragged through the mud. The
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: blue wall meaning basically the police protecting one of their own.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he was actually a police officer.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't what was his job? I have to
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: scroll all the way back. He was part of law enforcement.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: He wasn't a police officer per se.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Oh way, yeah, I can't remember what the heck you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: it said?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Here it is he's a US marshal Oh okay, okay,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So being a part of law enforcement basically, you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: people are protecting their own sort of thing. So it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: kind of exactly a gray area on why all this
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: occurred whatever. For whatever reason, he was kind of being protected,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: but he was. So what we do know is that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Angela served time for her part, and if Ian had
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: any part, he clearly walked free for it. But did
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: he actually have a part in this? Well in March
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Oh that's like what it's April?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, this was wow, ago.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard a thing about this yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: A full five years after Angela pled guilty to her charges,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Ian was finally taken to court for his apparent part
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: in what happened to Michelle. Many details would be discovered.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: He had, for example, the access to the biblical emails
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that Michelle had originally sent, emails that you know, falsified
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: replicas could be made from.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So sure you can say that Angela did all this. Yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: but if she's the one sending these biblical emails to herself,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: where did she get the reference from?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Well, Ian is the only one who had those references. Wow,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: so he would have had to provide them. There's also
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: text evidence from Ian's phone to a Craiglist user telling
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: them to come to the condo for the quote rape
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: fantasy ad that was being placed online.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He used Angela like a puppet to get back to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: his back at his ex fiance and proceed proceeded to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: throw her under the bus when it looked like evidence
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of Michelle's innocence was about to surface.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Huh. Okay, shit, I was right. That was a roller
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: coaster for me. But yeah, we're back here. I'm back
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: on the top.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Let me guess you knew it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: All, Alonge, Yeah, there's no doubt.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah you didn't doubt. You didn't doubt it for a second.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Well Ian was found guilty of the charges of conspiracy
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to commit cyberstalking, wow, cyberstalking, pure jury, and obstruction of
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a federal matter, and could face up to twenty years
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: in prison.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Good holy shit.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: His trial for sentencing will be scheduled for later this year,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, So so it was all him. Angela was just
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: so he was literally just playing her like a puppet,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: like she was pretty much probably going through the same
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: thing that Michelle had been going through.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, per se if she was going through
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, the manipulation for sure. I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: don't know if the abuse side of it, that's hard
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: to say for sure. But Angela was the perfect person
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: for it because she is already a pathological liar. She's
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: already Okay, that is true, Yes, that is all true.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: She is the perfect person to pin this on if
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: he needs to, because hey, she's been lying this whole
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: time to me. She's doing all this stuff. It's her
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: character to lie. She's clearly jealous of my ex she's
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: doing all this, I had no part. That's basically what
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he's doing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: So what Angela went through I cannot speak of because
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything on how she was treated by Ian.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming not very good.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: But he very much so intentionally chose her.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was intentional or just coincidence
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that he happened to find someone.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: That her and was like, dang, this will ork for
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: me exactly. Huh.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: He probably was just out on the prowl to find
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: someone and he was like, Hey, I could fucking do
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: this with this person.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, holy heck.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we're waiting for his trial. We'll be watching
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to see just how long his sentence is. He could
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: get up to twenty years, but I mean chances are
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: it will be a lot more than an eighty eight
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: days or five years.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Had you come across this case online then or something? Uh?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually I had come across it a few months ago,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and I was I was kind of intrigued by it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And then when I started researching it, I had started
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: researching like a week after his trial had occurred.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And so as soon as like as soon as I
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: started typing into Google to research and everything. Yeah, boom,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: all these recent articles from like five days ago popped
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: up on his on his trial, and I was like,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: holy shit.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm curious, then if people who are listening
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: have heard of this, then if it's been like in
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the news and stuff recently, right, because I have not
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: heard of anything of this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well if you google it right now, you'll just
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: get a shit ton of articles from like a month ago.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So now you can dive deeper into some of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the semantics of the things that did occur on this.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Oh you always can, Yeah, you always can that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was, especially in a lot of the lies
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and stuff, like Angela's history for example, some of the
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: details on how it played out on Michelle's end, like
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: when she was in prison, for example, one of one
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: of the details that she was like looked at as
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: like a very low life in prison because she was
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: attempting to kill a pregnant woman.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Oh that's scary.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so everyone in jail hated her, and she also
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: had another cellmate who was an elderly woman who was
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: also like hated from she was in there from like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: kidnapping or something. Okay, but reportedly after she got out
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: of jail. She went back and helped this other elderly
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: woman get out of jail and like rehabilitate her too,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: because she had this new like insight on what it's
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: like to be in prison. And okay, she only had
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a chance because of like who she is and privilege
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, so yeah, there's a whole other side
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of the story you can dive into and you can
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: go for a long ways. But yeah, it's a wild one.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I was worried there was going to be a different
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: outcome and that Michelle died or something. So nope, Thankfully, thankfully,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: there are no deaths.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: In this one. Y Ian's a piece of shit. Angela,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: though she is also a victim in this, she's also
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: playing a very heavy part. Not cool. Let's just say that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not cool, Angela.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Not cool, Angela, not cool.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Are you impressed that I had caught onto that at
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: that point or you're like, no, it's obvious.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I did plant a few seeds, very very obvious seeds.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: One of the things I was actually hoping you would
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: catch on is the use of Craigslist. You have no
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: idea what I'm talking about.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: The cell I don't today, So I'm trying to.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Figure it out when Ian convinced Michelle to have this
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: cuckhold situation and screw some stranger from Craigslist. Okay, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, there yeah, these predators for
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: hire also on Craigslist again. Yeah, that was a red
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: flag for me right away when I was researching us.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, holy shit, Craigslist, Craigslist boom. I guarantee you not.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Some like Christian woman is sitting there on Craigslist very often. Yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: especially if her experience is a negative one, a negative
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: connotation for being coerced in this situation.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't use it. It might be using marketplace,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it should change it up.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Just sitting there on Facebook marketplace looking for a sexual
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: predator today.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Please, Oh my gosh, that's so bad.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Wow, but yeah, it's it's interesting.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: What a freaking shit show of a case.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, you haven't heard of this one?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Heh, No, I definitely have not.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: You enjoyed the story on this one though, by the.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Sounds of it, it was a little It was definitely
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: like interesting. I don't even know how to describe.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: It fair enough. I was really hoping you weren't gonna
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: waiver from your your theory of I and though, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you really did.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I you know what, I didn't. I was like all
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: against you in the whole time.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I know I did waiver, but I was just like, oh, really,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting the Angela this this what is it
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: called the turn of events there? But yeah, yeah, you
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: know Ian's a piece of shit.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: But I mean he manipulated Michelle. Of course he's going
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: to manipulate Angela too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I'm going to give myself at least
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: fifty percent.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'd give you more. I'd give you way more.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of credits early on.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: You you deduced some things and you did.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Well, so oh I could have done better, but yeah,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: it definitely wasn't a fail. So there you go.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: You passed with flying colors.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Well done. That would have been definitely interesting to research.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Well it was.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Hopefully you stuck
• 51:50
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, I know. I mean, okay, no, I've bet
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