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The Late Debate | 8 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with freyer Leech and Joe Hildebrand. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's new Department of War is up and about
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  Speaker 2: and he's threatening to send them into Chicago to round
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  Speaker 2: up illegal margarants. Meanwhile, he struck a deal with South
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  Speaker 2: Korea to send another bunch of illegals back there. In
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  Speaker 2: the papers, the Wiggles, the kids entertainers we all know
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  Speaker 2: and love, are embroiled in an employment lawsuit staggering allegations here.
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  Speaker 2: More on that later, and the most expensive lego set
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  Speaker 2: ever has been released. We'll decide later in the show
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  Speaker 2: whether or not it is worth it. But first, let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the Great Barrier Reef. Because if you listen
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  Speaker 2: to most of the stuff here around the traps, you
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  Speaker 2: would be led to believe that the Great Barrier Reef
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  Speaker 2: is in great disrepair, that it is falling apart, that
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  Speaker 2: it is shrinking at a rapid rate, that it will
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  Speaker 2: soon disappear, it will be totally bleached. There will be
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  Speaker 2: no Great Barrier Reef for us to enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: In the future.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jorn Lomborg, God bless him has put this to
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  Speaker 2: rest in the Wall Street Journal today. You might remember
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  Speaker 2: Bjorn Lomborg and his Copenhagen Consensus Center of which he
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  Speaker 2: is the president, tried to come out to this country
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  Speaker 2: a decade or so ago, was going to set up
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  Speaker 2: shop over in Western Australia and was basically drummed out
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  Speaker 2: of the joint. Was going to join one of the
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  Speaker 2: unis over there, drummed out of the joint because you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't possibly have someone who takes a rational view on
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  Speaker 2: climate change. Born Lomborg is an environmentalist, but he takes
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  Speaker 2: a rational view on how quickly we move into these
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  Speaker 2: things and whether or.
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  Speaker 1: Not the stats are overblown.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to the Great Barrier Reef, the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: the tracking of the size of the reef started in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, and it was pretty stable in size
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  Speaker 2: until two thousand and then it started to decline and
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  Speaker 2: it declined to half its size by twenty two twelve.
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  Speaker 2: But after twenty twelve the size of the Great Barrier
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  Speaker 2: Reef started to increase, and according to Bioron Lomborg in
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  Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal today, this is coincided with a
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  Speaker 2: slight change in the way the numbers were reported. He wrote,
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  Speaker 2: the scientist stop publishing their reef wide average, perhaps because
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  Speaker 2: it didn't further the climate change narrative, but they continued
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  Speaker 2: publishing regional and sick to wide averages, making it possible
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  Speaker 2: for anyone to effectively recreate the reef wide average. And
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  Speaker 2: that is exactly what Jon Lomborg has done. And he
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  Speaker 2: has found that in twenty twenty one it grew to
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  Speaker 2: its greatest size on record, and then the same happened
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three and twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four it grew to the largest size on record.
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  Speaker 2: Now this year there has been a decline, but the
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  Speaker 2: reporting on this would make you believe that the Great
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  Speaker 2: Barrier Reef is reporting. Bjorn Lomborg pointed out some of
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  Speaker 2: the headlines of the BBC Barrier Reef Suffer's worst coral
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  Speaker 2: decline on record CNNs is Australia's Great Barrier Reef devastated
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  Speaker 2: by worst coral bleaching on record. New report fines it
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  Speaker 2: all sounds terribly sinister, doesn't it. But beyond Lomborg goes
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  Speaker 2: in for the kill. He writes, never mind that the
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  Speaker 2: reductions came off the record high of twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: or that the large year to year variations are typical.
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  Speaker 2: One sector saw its coral cover in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: reach its highest level ever. The data show coral cover
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  Speaker 2: across the entire reef in twenty twenty five is only
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  Speaker 2: in inverted commas, the fourth highest ever recorded since systematic
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  Speaker 2: monitoring began. Cover across the entire reef is still higher
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  Speaker 2: than in twenty twenty one, which was then the biggest ever,
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  Speaker 2: which itself was higher than any other time prior.
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  Speaker 1: All the highest years.
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  Speaker 2: Are in the twenty twenties. Yet we hear nothing but
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  Speaker 2: doom and gloom. I think Beyond Longbow has nailed this
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  Speaker 2: one superbly.
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  Speaker 3: Here Joe finally don't can respect.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed indeed, but this is the thing I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: know it's not wrong to say that twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: has seen the worst decline on record, but the record high.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be honest about where we are, and
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  Speaker 2: if even with record decline it is the fourth largest
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  Speaker 2: on record size of the Great Barrier Reef, we shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be going around knocking and saying all these thing's falling
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  Speaker 2: apart because it's simply not true.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the problem is you have these
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  Speaker 4: sort of and again, I'm all in on climate change.
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  Speaker 3: I just believe whatever I'm told. But we're getting like
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  Speaker 3: a good left fringer.
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  Speaker 4: But again, because you know, I'm not a science a scientist,
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  Speaker 4: I'm completely ill equipped to actually do the sort of
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  Speaker 4: first hand research myself, and so I have to just basically.
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  Speaker 3: Go by what I've read in the newspaper.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing and the problem is that what happens
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  Speaker 4: when people do make alarmist claims. And they do and
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  Speaker 4: I think they're doing it because they think this will
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  Speaker 4: shock government into action. And so you see you know,
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  Speaker 4: constant sort of cherry picking of the data and the
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  Speaker 4: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that comes reports that come out,
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  Speaker 4: which you know others have been very good at sort
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  Speaker 4: of breaking down saying well, actually it doesn't quite say this.
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  Speaker 4: And the problem is when you do have these, you know,
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  Speaker 4: alarmist views or people trying to paint the situation as
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  Speaker 4: being as bad as it can possibly be made to
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  Speaker 4: look in the hope of getting some sort of government
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  Speaker 4: policy change, when that conflicts with either a the actual
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  Speaker 4: data as it's unpicked by say you're and Lumberg or
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  Speaker 4: people's actual lived experiences, to use a popular phrase from
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  Speaker 4: the left. Then people say, oh, well that's all, it's
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  Speaker 4: all bollocks. Then if that bit's wrong, if that bit's bollocks,
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  Speaker 4: and the whole thing must be bollocks. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 4: the disservice that people like for example, Tim Flannery did
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  Speaker 4: when they said, oh, it's never going to rain again
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  Speaker 4: or blah blah blah blah, and you know we're going
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  Speaker 4: to be in perirlan round and then of course it rains,
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  Speaker 4: and people like me, who are you know, believers in
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  Speaker 4: climate change, go, well, hang on a minute, who's actually
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  Speaker 4: doing Do these guys know what they're talking about? So
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  Speaker 4: I think you just have to be really careful when
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  Speaker 4: you're doing this, and exactly as you said, you need
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  Speaker 4: to explain the whole thing. And if that doesn't make
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  Speaker 4: a picture as apocalyptic as you would like it to be,
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  Speaker 4: well good.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. Isn't that actually something that we should be okay about?
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  Speaker 5: Exactly?
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  Speaker 6: And none of the ilamist predictions from climate scientists at
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  Speaker 6: the UN or academics, none.
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  Speaker 5: Of them have come true.
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  Speaker 6: We've repeatedly seen predictions of global starvation, of incredible global warming,
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  Speaker 6: of mass displacement.
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  Speaker 3: Every war was going to be Yeah, we're.
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  Speaker 6: Going to have tens of millions of climate refugees around
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  Speaker 6: the world.
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  Speaker 5: Well none of it has actually happened.
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  Speaker 6: And actually human beings are remarkably capable at adaptation, and
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  Speaker 6: so we often just invent technologies to deal with these issues.
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  Speaker 6: But I think the other problem here for the media
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  Speaker 6: with the Great Barrier Reef is so many people have
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  Speaker 6: bought into this narrative the climate change is going to
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  Speaker 6: kill us all, and they've spent so much time and
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  Speaker 6: energy pedaling this line that now they have to find
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  Speaker 6: data points that actually support it, and so you know,
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  Speaker 6: the headlines that they're reporting are not false. There was
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  Speaker 6: a decline in the Great Barrier Reef, but it just
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  Speaker 6: lacked all context.
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  Speaker 5: Now that is.
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  Speaker 6: An editorial choice these left wing publications made to paint
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  Speaker 6: this in a way that supports their narrative. So I
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  Speaker 6: think it's dishonest, and as you said, Joe, it will
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  Speaker 6: undermine the credibility of all climate science because people will go, well,
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  Speaker 6: how can I trust anything you said?
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  Speaker 2: But it also it does the bidding knowingly or otherwise
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  Speaker 2: of you know, you say these people don't want to
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  Speaker 2: admit that they got it wrong, so they have to
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  Speaker 2: keep going down this line.
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  Speaker 1: But there are also lots of people who have a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of money tied up in the climate change industry,
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  Speaker 2: and so it is in their interest to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that they keep pushing this line that the world is
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  Speaker 2: going to end and the.
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  Speaker 1: Great Barrier reef is falling up catastic, because otherwise, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if peopleople.
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  Speaker 3: Love a catastic so so funny, they love it.
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  Speaker 2: They love a catastrophic story. But this goes beyond love.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when you're at the point where you have
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  Speaker 2: kids coming home from school, like genuinely anxious that the
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  Speaker 2: world is going to end before their natural life will end,
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  Speaker 2: we've gone beyond just well, it's a catastrophic I think human.
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  Speaker 4: Beings do tell themselves stories about it. I mean, up
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  Speaker 4: until you know the nineteen eighties, we're all going to
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  Speaker 4: wipe ourselves out with the nuclear war, which, don't get
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  Speaker 4: me wrong, kids may still happen. But the interesting thing
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  Speaker 4: was your Lombo's police talks about this. Data is starting
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  Speaker 4: to be collected from nineteen eighty six. Nine eighty six
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  Speaker 4: was the year that I first saw the Great very
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  Speaker 4: where we first visited it, went round Australia with my family.
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  Speaker 4: I was about nine years old, and they were talking
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  Speaker 4: about how the reef was going to be absolutely destroyed
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  Speaker 4: and there would be nothing left. But this time it
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  Speaker 4: was the crown of Fawn starfish that was going to
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  Speaker 4: do that, and that was the big bogey man. And
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  Speaker 4: now I don't know what into the crown of thorn stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It is maybe the coral bleaching got rid of it
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  Speaker 4: as well as everything else. But again, I've been hearing
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  Speaker 4: reports of the death of the Great Barrier Reef for
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  Speaker 4: about what forty years now.
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  Speaker 6: Eated Well, as we head into summer, it's nice to
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  Speaker 6: know that the Great Barrier Reef is still going strong.
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  Speaker 6: It's one of our greatest treasures here in Australia. But
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  Speaker 6: let's move over to the US now. The US has
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  Speaker 6: struck a deal with South Korea to return three hundred
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  Speaker 6: South Koreans who were detained in ICE's largest ever raid
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  Speaker 6: on a workplace last week. ICE detained four hundred and
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  Speaker 6: seventy five people at a Hyundai Electric vehicle battery factory
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  Speaker 6: in Georgia.
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  Speaker 5: Now, what is so ironic about this?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think the left will feel really angry
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  Speaker 6: about this because one they're detaining.
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  Speaker 5: Illegal migrants and at an EV.
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  Speaker 6: Battery factory, how dare they They're going after the two
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  Speaker 6: sacred cows are left, the migrants and the evs. But
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  Speaker 6: what is particularly ironic about this is howhen I was
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  Speaker 6: given over one point six billion dollars in tax concessions
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  Speaker 6: to open the EV factory in Georgia so they could
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  Speaker 6: employ thousands of locals in the factory. And what do
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  Speaker 6: they do They employed hundreds of illegal migrants. And so
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  Speaker 6: I think this is the right step. This is exactly
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  Speaker 6: what they need to be doing. And Trump needs to
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  Speaker 6: be reminding businesses that actually there is law and just
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  Speaker 6: because you're a big global company doesn't mean you get
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  Speaker 6: too flat it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And what I love about this in particular is
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  Speaker 2: it proves the point that many of us have been
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  Speaker 2: making about, you know, migrants taking jobs that could otherwise
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  Speaker 2: be filled by citizens or natural born people of a
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  Speaker 2: particular nation.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about this here in Australia as well.
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  Speaker 2: If there is an opportunity, and I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 2: necessarily legal opportunity, but if there is an oportunit unity
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  Speaker 2: to find someone to do a job cheaper than they
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  Speaker 2: would have to pay someone who was born in that country.
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  Speaker 1: Businesses will often find a way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And you will well know that I'm a full blown
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  Speaker 2: free marketeer and I'm a capitalist, and I believe that
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  Speaker 2: the government should get out of people's business. But there
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  Speaker 2: is a problem with the way that some capitalists perform
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  Speaker 2: capitalism in the world these days.
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  Speaker 1: And this proves that.
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  Speaker 2: Even when you get a government subsidy to say you
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  Speaker 2: will employ local people, they will go and find if
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity arises a migrant who will do your job cheaper.
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  Speaker 2: Businesses will absolutely do it, and this proves that case.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting though, with this case now Joe, that they've
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  Speaker 2: done this still in South Korea to send them back,
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  Speaker 2: but they have to work out whether or not they
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  Speaker 2: just sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Let them get on the plane and go home.
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  Speaker 2: Or whether they are deported, because because if they're deported,
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  Speaker 2: it means there's all these rules, you can't can you
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  Speaker 2: be banned from the country and all this sort of business.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, if you're filling a job that was designated
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  Speaker 2: for Georgians, you've got no right to be able to
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  Speaker 2: come back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's questionable whether or not I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I suppose that they knew they were there illegally. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you would think that these are the sort of immigrants
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  Speaker 4: with the sort of skilled migrants that Australia would actually
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  Speaker 4: want to come here and work for US. And South
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  Speaker 4: Korean's have an incredible work ethic there. It's an incredibly
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  Speaker 4: advanced economy obviously, that's why they're building evs and why
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  Speaker 4: ho and I was doing so well.
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  Speaker 3: I drove a home No EV It's a hydrogen car.
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  Speaker 1: How was it?
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  Speaker 3: It's called so quiet, that's what.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really been so we drove. I drove it around.
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  Speaker 4: They're very very rare. You can't really get them anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: This is like a test thing. It's so quiet, and
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  Speaker 4: you know what it actually does. This will make you
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  Speaker 4: just fooled out. It's the most smug vehicle I've ever driven.
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  Speaker 4: Not only it's not only drives on a electrically charged
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  Speaker 4: high hydrogen hydrogen charge electric motor, but it actually purifies
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  Speaker 4: the air as it drives through it and as you
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  Speaker 4: are driving along purifying the air, it shows you a
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  Speaker 4: picture of like little what you've saved, little people showing
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  Speaker 4: how many people you've helped to breathe.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what Now, that's what they're up to. So again,
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  Speaker 3: that's the sort of advanced economy you want.
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  Speaker 2: So now that they kicked all these South Koreans, now
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  Speaker 2: that that's what the world is going to have, little
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  Speaker 2: people dying on Joe's dashboard.
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  Speaker 5: What an absolute tragedy.
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  Speaker 6: Well, another tragedy that, according to the Democrats, may zoon
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  Speaker 6: unfold in the US is Chicago. Donald Trump is threatening
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  Speaker 6: to send in the military once again, as he's done
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  Speaker 6: in other cities, to crack down on crime and illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 6: He posted on truth Social I love the smell of
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  Speaker 6: deportations in the morning Chicago. About to find out why
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  Speaker 6: it's called Department of War shippocalypse. Now, so that's a
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  Speaker 6: that's a parody there on the left. But that is
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  Speaker 6: so funny. Now naturally the left is absolutely imploding. The
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  Speaker 6: governor has said Trump is declaring war on the city
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  Speaker 6: of Chicago.
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  Speaker 5: How dare he?
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  Speaker 6: But when Trump was asked by reporters, he toned things
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  Speaker 6: down a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Don't take you when you say that, darling, Let's take news.
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  Speaker 4: What time I don't listen, be quiet, listen, you don't listen.
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  Speaker 3: You're never listening.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you're checker. Great, we're not going to war.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to clean up our city. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: clean them up so they don't kill five people every weekend.
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  Speaker 3: That's not war, that's common sense.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I love the SmackDown of the reporter right there,
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  Speaker 6: but he is right now. We know Trump loves a
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  Speaker 6: bit of theater. He loves hyping up the left and
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  Speaker 6: really just trolling them because their reaction is always so funny,
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  Speaker 6: and this time they've taken the bait. But in reality,
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  Speaker 6: it is true that Chicago has the highest number of
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  Speaker 6: murders per year in the US. It has for about
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  Speaker 6: thirteen years. They also have the highest murder rates per
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  Speaker 6: capita in the US. It's tripled that of LA. It's
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  Speaker 6: five times higher than New York. I mean, it is staggering.
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  Speaker 6: So this is and I think we've learned this is
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  Speaker 6: Trump's top priority is law in order and going into
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  Speaker 6: these Democrat run cities if they're not doing the job
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  Speaker 6: of keeping their citizens safe.
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  Speaker 5: Well he'll do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: And again, like border protection, the center left have to
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  Speaker 4: realize that letting law in order run out of control.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe in Victoria they're listening to.
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  Speaker 4: That, because I think they probably rival Chicago's crime rates
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  Speaker 4: about now. But if you let it, if you take
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  Speaker 4: the lid off a little bit, then suddenly it goes
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  Speaker 4: absolutely rampant. And again the reason why it's Chicago and
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  Speaker 4: New York that is now the American crime capitalist because
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  Speaker 4: New York famously had Rudy Giuliani in the ninety nineties
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  Speaker 4: and implement the broken window theory and basically cracked down
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  Speaker 4: on small scar crime as well as you know, figuring
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  Speaker 4: that the people who were going around shooting people probably
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  Speaker 4: also weren't paying their subway tokens.
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  Speaker 3: And it seemed to have worked.
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  Speaker 4: They cleaned up New York and made it safe and
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  Speaker 4: made it a massive tourist I mean, the whole of
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  Speaker 4: New York was almost a no go zone in the
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  Speaker 4: seventies and eighties. So I think Trump is doing it,
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  Speaker 4: and he gave me the left fall for Trump's gags
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  Speaker 4: like that, it just makes them look as stupid as
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  Speaker 4: they say, even as nuts as they say he is.
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  Speaker 2: So just why, well, why, I'll tell you why. Because
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  Speaker 2: they just can't help themselves and they still don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about New York zorin Mamdani is
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  Speaker 2: the yeah, the Democrat nominee for mayor of New York,
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  Speaker 2: and the guy says we should defund the police. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to go head first into making this
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  Speaker 2: stuff worse and you don't understand why Donald Trump got elected,
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  Speaker 2: he's the man to go to. While we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: crime in the United States. If you were watching James
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  Speaker 2: Morrow before on Paul Murray Live, you would have heard
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  Speaker 2: him at the end of his program talk about this story.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: But I think we need to reiterate just how shocking
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: this is. And I'm talking about the case of Irena Zaruska,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: who was a Ukrainian refugee in North Carolina. She was
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: killed on a train last month, August twenty two.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: She was killed. Now she was killed.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I'll show you the vision and I'll give you a
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: warning that it is distressing vision and you can see
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: it there. This is vision from the train and you
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: can see this chap sitting behind her to Carlos Brown Junior.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: He's thirty five.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Years old at this point, he's already been arrested fourteen
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: times in his life. She has no idea that he
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: is about to do that. He pulls a pocket knife
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: out of his pocket and proceeds to stab her and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: then cool as anything, dropping blood everywhere is walking around
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: on this train. No one's taking any notice of it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: He then is able to get off the train. It's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: truly staggering. Now, as I said before August twenty two,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and we're only talking to you about this now on
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: September the eighth, because it only really came to light
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: on the weekend. The media in the US has barely
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: touched this story. Now, compare and contrast. So you've got
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: a black man killing a white woman. US me has
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: no interest whatsoever. But George Floyd gets killed, Well, it's racist,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it's a race issue, on and on and on and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: on it goes. It is an absolute disgrace that no
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: one has taken any interest basically in IRENA's life, because
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: her death is just as bad as anyone else.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: Well, when I first saw this, I honestly didn't know
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: if I was really looking at the correct New York
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Times website because I went on someone had posted on
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: x The New York Times posted over five eight hundred
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: articles about George Floyd, not a single article about Irena
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: I went on and it's correct. Zero articles, same in NPR,
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: same in CNN. The left wing media in the US
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: will not touch this story with a ten foot pole.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: But if it had been reversed.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: If it was a white man that unprovoked stabbed a
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: black woman on public transport, you can bet it would
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: have set off the next BLM riots. It would have
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: been everywhere in the media. There would be mass outrage.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: But when it's a black man stabbing a white woman,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: absolute crickets.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: And the tragedy of this.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: You know, her family survived years in Ukraine under Putin's invasion.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: She was just twenty three years old.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: Then she comes to the US and she can barely
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: survive a couple of years in Democrat runs Charlottesville, North Carolina.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: I mean, that just shows you how dangerous some of
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: these cities have truly become. So if the left wants
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: to keep on ignoring crime as an issue, if the
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: Democrats want to keep downplaying it. In fact, the Democrat
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: mayor of Charlottesville put out a statement thanking police and
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: some news outlets, not police, sorry, just some news outlets for.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: Not publishing the video because she didn't want the video
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: out there.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: She said it was out of sensitivity to the family,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: but can we really believe that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I think it's.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Because she didn't want the country knowing what had become
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: of the city, so the cover up has got to stop.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's why.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's probably more about I'm not sure if
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: it's the black and white stuff, because of course, if
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: a cop kills someone, that's more sort of outrageous than
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: if a criminal kills someone, because that's what you expect
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: criminals to do.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But certainly sure, but if, as Trayer see, if a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: white man unprovoked stabbed a black woman with a pocket
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: knife from behind on a train, it would be there
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: would be is it racially motivated?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: There would be?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Right, So the very least protests about this, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: white on black violence. How the hell does something like
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: this happen in this case, it's no coverage.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think there maybe even maybe just a
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: tendency to just to downplay because Trump is at the
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: moment of sending in the National Guard and sending in
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: federal forces to clean up crime ridden cities, that maybe
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: the anti Trump media are just trying to pretend there's
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: no crime at all.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So I try to just sort of downplaying.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Crime reporting in general, because of course, as soon as
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: he sent the National Guard into Washington, people say, oh no,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: there's no crime here, no time's gone down.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Look, here's all the statistics.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: That I pulled out, and also the great Barrier Reef
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: is doing terribly badly as well while here, and to
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: try to dispute that narrative. So I feel like, maybe
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: that is what is going on.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe, yeah, But regardless of what's going on, the
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: devil standards that are at play just shocking and ultimately,
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is a human life that's been taken
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: because of failed policies, the fact that he'd been arrested
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: fourteen times already, and actually picking up on a point
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: you made earlier, Joe, he was train hopping. He didn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: have a valid ticket when he got on to this tramp.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: So that just shows you if you're going to commit
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: petty crime, they're the same kind of people that will
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: go on to commit serious crime.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: You have to crack down on all of it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: But something that is almost a crime at this point
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: is how the Liberal party always managers to fight amongst themselves,
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: taking the pressure off labor dominating the media cycle and
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: ultimately that's an art.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That's an art.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It's finally honed art.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Yes, many times practiced at this point, well, of course
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: you've heard about the row going on between just int
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Prime and Alex Hawk. This was the comments that got
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: just Enterprise in trouble in the first place.
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: There is a concern with the Indian community, and only
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: because there's been large numbers and we can see that
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: reflected in the way that the community votes for labor
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: at the same time, so if they're going to see
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: a reflection that, okay, these individuals are going to vote
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: for us more more so than other parts of the community,
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: well then of course they're going to express a view
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: that will get those sorts of individuals into our communities.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: It's then alleged that there was some sort of a
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: phone call to just Enterprise his office, not to her directly,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: but to her office where he talked inappropriately to a
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: member of her staff.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: This was just center on Sky.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: I found it highly inappropriate to have that kind of
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: conversation with another colleagues staffer, and also, you know, to
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: suggest to bring another college circumstances into that into the
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: picture was certainly viewed as a threat and that I
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: wanted to call that out.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: But then here is factional operator and numbers man for
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Susan Lee Alex Hall, claiming no, I didn't do any
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: of that.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: It was upset that I hadn't called her direct, but
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: I called her office and asked to speak to her,
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: and I might have had a one to two minute
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: conversation with her staff, and I advised her that if
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: she was told that was angry, that wasn't correct. She
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: got a version of our conversation that I said, Look,
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: I told her, I said, that's not what happened. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: simply asked for you, and you know, could we get
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: some video from you? And I didn't borate anybody, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: I have no you know, I ranked somebody at random
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: and said, can I speak to your boss?
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Did you make that inference to just well, look, she
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: didn't what I wanted to did.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Might affect her political career?
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: No, So I didn't make that point at all.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: I think I'm cringing harder than I did when my
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: year ten.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Friendship group imploded.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, to air your dirty laundry like this public
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: li is just not the way to go. I don't
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: know if we'll really get to the bottom of this
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: has really just become a he said, she said, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: the fact is just since made an inference or She
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: stated in the ABC interview that there was an intention
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: to bring in migrants from some backgrounds rather than others.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: That does conflict with our immigration policy, which is nondiscriminatory.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: It is true that Indians come in.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: At a higher rate because they fulfill more of the criteria,
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: because they are well educated, they have better English standards, etc.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: She released a statement saying any inference otherwise was wrong.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: She didn't apologize, but she did say she was wrong
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: and didn't stand by those comments anymore.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Lying in the sand.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Can we please just move on the fact that this
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: is just being drawn out is so frustrating because just
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: last week we heard about Labour's negotiations with India to
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: bring in hundreds of thousands of Indian workers to build
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: a million homes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: That has just gone completely unnoticed by the media.
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: Instead, the whole country is focusing on this and it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: taking the onus off labor.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: The other thing that's totally bizarre is that in light
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: of all of this, and the level of Indian migration
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: has come up a few times in recent weeks in
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: light of the March of Australia and stuff, when it
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: was brought up that there are more Indian migrants in
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: this country than there were in the wave of Italian and.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Greeks who came post war, which is true. It's true.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: It's just a fact.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: But you now have other Libs, including Susan Lee over
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the weekend basically genuflecting to the Indian.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Community, we love you, we love you. It's all fun,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: don't worry, it's all fine, right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Why do you need to be geni reflecting to any
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: margarant community saying it's okay, don't worry about it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: We're not racist against you. I mean, it is legitimate.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I know, no, we've had this, Joe, But it is
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: legitimate to point out that there has been a large
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: migration to this country, larger than any we've seen before
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: from one particular country. And that's not to say that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we hate the people from that country.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It's simply to.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Point out a fact. And the Liberal parties eating itself
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: up over.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Firstly, those Greek and Italian numbers came under the White
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Australia policy, and I don't think anyone seriously thinks we
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: should be going back to that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: The reason there are more your Labour party is true,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that's right, and it was terrible.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: And the reason why there are more Indians than anyone
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: else is because India is the largest country on Earth.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: It is the biggest country on the planet, and so
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: of course we are going to get a lot of
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: immigrants from there if we are going to have a
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: color blind and nationality blind immigration policy. I don't know
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: that there is any evidence whatsoever that one particular country
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: has been favored for reasons that they are voting a
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: particular way, or they are favor to a particular party.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So I haven't said any that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not having a going just in I love just
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Ciner and I'm sick of pylons as well, so with
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: you on that. But the reason why Indian migrants are
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: so incredibly attractive is because they are a fellow country,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: fellow the Commonwealth country, parliamentary democracy. They overwhelmingly share our values.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: They work incredibly hard. We should be lucky to have them,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and the Indian community have gone that. I mean, they
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: are natural liberal voters. They are small business people that
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: have traditional values, they have very strong family values.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: They're religious. You know that These are.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Not people creating any community. I mean, if anyone can
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: tell me of any Hindu nationalists that are running riot
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: through the community trying to you know, make another ethnic
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: group uncomfortable, don't see any of that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And yet these are the ones that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Have been singled out in ahead of the March for Australia,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: which I thought was absolutely disgraceful. And the community do
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: feel like the Liberal Party has abandoned them. So yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Susan Lee does have a lot of sucking up to
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: do because they have gone like if you look at
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Little India and the elector of Paramatta that it's in
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: that has gone from being a marginal seat in twenty
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: nineteen to being and indeed in twenty two to be
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: now safe labor. There's almost a ten percent swing towards
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: labor at the last election because Peter Dutton was seen
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: as being antimigrant and these guys who came here gave
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: absolutely everything they had to this country. And the people
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: who are coming in the next way are coming here
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: to build the houses we need, like you're saying, are
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: coming here to build all these houses.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, we could debate this one all night and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: forty we don't have all night. But it does worry
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: me when you've got to start basically saying we've got
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: to panda to migrant groups to make sure we're okay.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I just think we're going down at a road that
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: we don't really want to go down. It shouldn't have
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to go down to me perfectly, on speaking of roads,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have to go down elicita tobacco. You will
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: know one of my great bug bears, because it's just
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest examples of government baggering things up
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in ways that just never had to happen. Took last
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Son on the Sunday Showdown about the state or position
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: in South Australia has now joined Chris Min's, the Premier
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of New South Wales and the Corrections Minister in Victoria
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: labor of course saying that the tobacco excites is.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: What has caused this massive.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Growth in illicit tobacco and The Australian's doing a great
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: series of reports now. It started today in today's edition
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: of The Australian talking about how this market is working.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And this story this morning was about the money that
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: is being launded.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And shedloads of it being laundered. Through illicit tobacco in
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: this country.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: The Australian explains that basically what happens is you pay
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: for a packet of illicit daries at a dodgy tobacconist
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: gift shop or whatever it says it is on the front.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: You know they're ten to fifteen bucks a packet.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: You tap your card, it goes through the system, The
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: shop writes it off as a legitimate sale and they
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: will within the day send that money overseas. And once
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: it's overseas, it's basically untouchable by Australian authorities. They are
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that swift, they are that good at getting the money
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: out of the country that it's basically gone. And the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: one that really got me was quoted in this story
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: from the Odds that Kazhhmad, who used to be in
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Australia but I think he's now over in Iran, who's
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: one of the big players in the illicit tobacco industry
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in this country, is alleged to have amassed nearly one
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and a half billion dollars in the last two years.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: That is how big this thing has become. I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it's because the excise is far too high. But it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: just like it's lost total control now.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: No, it is unbelievable.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: And the article in Australia said this is costing our
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: economy sixty eight billion dollars annually, not to mention enriching
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: foreign criminal networks, which is bad in and of itself. Yes,
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: the Excise player is a significant role. I also think
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: though there hasn't been enough enforcement of the law. So
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: until the last month in New South Wales it was
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: health bureaucrats and less than fifty of them who were
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: dealing with policing all of these tobacconists. It wasn't even
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: the police unit. But we know now that this is
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: being driven by organized crime. So I think if you
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: brought the Excise under control, but also critically actually got
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: the police onto these games, then you could make some progress.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Sure yeah, and also just make I mean the alternative
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: to tobacco that everyone has. Everyone I know has been
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: able to quit smoking as a result of is vaping.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And at the same time as the government was raising
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: the price of legal cigarettes, it was also cracking down
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: on people's access to vaping. And of course the harder
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you make it for someone to get something, more likely
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: they are to look around for alternative and so if
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: they can get a black market cigarette or chop chop
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: to fill that void because it's too hard to get
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: a prescription for vaping, or you have to wait too
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: long or whatever because you've got to order it blah
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: blah blah, which I have to do now, which is
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: really annoying. Then of course they're going to go to
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: that and that money is going to go straight into
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the hands of the mob.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And you have all these shops, hundreds of so many
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: five bombed across the country. If you live in a
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: building that has a tobaccoist at the bottom of it,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: now it's almost impossible to get insurance because they are
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: so high risk. Like this is affecting people's lives.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: There are forever when they gets fire bomb, another hundred
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: spring up.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I know every new shop at least five people have
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: been killed in relation to this stuff, one of them
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: an innocent person. And the bit that gets me, I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: am told that a major tobacco company gave modeling to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the government last year about where the excise was going
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to how much money they were going to lose, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that modeling was basically used in the federal budget this
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: year so the federal government will take the tobacco industry's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: word on where things are going.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: But it won't do anything about the excise. It's just bizarre.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: You can't trust big tobacco. Who can you trust?
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly Well. In New South Wales, Chris Mins has said.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: He does not support the right to hunt.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: The New South Wales Shooters, Fishes and Farmers' Pariny introduced
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: or is putting forward a bill in New South Wales
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: Parliament that would enshrine this right in the state legislation.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: It would also do a number of other things like
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: allow individuals to go into state national parks and shoot
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: feral animals voluntarily, of course, instead of being done by professionals. Now,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: initially it looked like the Men's Labor government were going
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: to support this bill, but now Chris Mins said this.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: He said, you're allowed to hunt in New South Wales.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: But whether you have a right to hunt akin to
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: a right to freedom of speech or a right to vote,
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: I think they're vastly different things. I'm also concerned that
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: it might evoke this idea that there's a right to
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: bear arms like we've seen in the United States. Now,
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: we can never go down that road, there can't be
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: a right to bear arms in a country like Australia. Well,
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: I agree with him on the ladder point. I don't
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: think it would do that. I think that's a bit dramatic.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: But what I do support about this bill is the
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: idea that people should be able to go and shoot
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: feral animals.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: On public land. I mean, that just makes perfect sense.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: Whether you could call that a right, it might be
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: a step too far, but what's the issue here?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And I think we've become so desensitized and removed from
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the reality of how the world works now that there
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: are feral animals that need to be culled, and where
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: does your food come from. I mean, I know you
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: don't have to kill it. Most of you at home
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: probably don't have to kill it, but someone has to
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: kill it. We're killing animals every day.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: To eat them.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I think there are kids
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and lots of people adults, probably in suburbia, just have
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: no concept of the way the real world works.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, but I think I mean, obviously, hunting
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: animals isn't the way that they get to our dinner table.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: The process is a bit more clinical than that. But
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I'm with Christians on this. Unsurprisingly, I think he's got
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: good instincts on these things. I would find it very
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: difficult to disagree with Walter Mikhak on this issue, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: the fact that I think there is obviously an argument. Yes,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: of course if people who were good shooters, good hunters
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: and could go and shoot feral animals and were able
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: to kill them or remove them at scale, that would
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: be a good thing. I'm not sure how effective that
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: would actually be and also, more to the point, would
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: it encourage more of a gun culture.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: In Australia that we don't have. Yeah, that's just a
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Pandora's box, you don't want to.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: An interesting question, but something that will cheer you up,
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Joe is. The Catholic Church has its first millennim. Say
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: Carlo Acutus, who died in two thousand and six from
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: leukemia at age fifteen, has just been named the first
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: millennial Say for the creating a website that promoted the
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: Catholic Church, made websites for religious institutions, tracked miracles, and
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: apparently also at least two miracles are credited to him himself.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: So just as for the millennials, at last, they are
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: doing great things in the Catholic Church, and it's wonderful
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: to see thousands of people attend his tomb every year,
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: and I think it's wonderful.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: It is wonderful.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And I know, being a dirty Protti Fray, you wouldn't
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: understand this, but it's good to say that the Catholic
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Church is upholding its standards because you do have to
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: have performed two certified miracles to be canonized as a saint.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to see sort of any back downs.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: You know, have gay marriage, that's fine, but you've got
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: to still do the two miracles.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: And Joe, I know you will be going for your
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: sainthood at some point on the base of everything. You've
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: performed at least two miracles. And you turned up to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: work pretty hungover on a number of occasions.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: You were here, but you were there because you get
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: a job.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Where was going and a miracle it was after the break,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we'll get into the papers the Wiggles caught up in
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: he called trouble, allegations about employment money being spent in
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: wrong places.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: We'll tell you that nothing more as radio.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Let's get into tomorrow's papers, starting with probably the biggest
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: story of the day, if not one of the biggest
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: stories of the last few years.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: For hor on the front of the Herald Sun.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: Indeed, well, the headline is justice served Mushroom cook sentence.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Aaron Patterson will spend at least thirty three years in
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: jail after the triple murderer was handed life with parole
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: for her crimes. Justice Christopher Biale said, the callous killer's
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: failure to exhibit any remorse pours salt into.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: All the victim's wounds.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: This was the moment when Aaron Patterson was handed her
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: sentence by Justice bial.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: For the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson. I sentence you
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: to twenty five years imprisonment. For the murder of Heather Wilkinson.
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: I sentence you to life imprisonment. For the murder of
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: Gail Patterson. I sentence you to life imprisonment for the
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: murder of Don Patterson. I sentence you to life imprisonment.
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: All sentences are to be served concurrently. The total effective
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: sentence is life imprisonment, and I fix a non parole
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: period of thirty three years.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: So with that non parole period of thirty three years,
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: she'll be in her eighties by the time she faces
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: any possibility of walking free. Pretty incredible stuff, but exactly
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: what she deserves.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Well, She's been given this chance at parole at the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: end of the sentence on the basis that she will
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: probably spend a lot of this time in solitary because
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: she's obviously such a notorious character that for her own
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: safety they'll they'll have to lock her up elsewhere. I'm
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: not sure that that should give her any special dispensation
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to say, at eighty one you should be able to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: get potentially get parole. She could always be denied because buggery.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, why do you deserve it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: After all that time?
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just this case just does my head in.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, it just makes none of it makes any
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: sense whatsoever. And this is why I find cry like
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: this is why I love politics and not crime, because
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: at least you can sort of try to make sense
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: of it. There are problems that you can try to solve.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Aaron Patterson is a problem that nobody can solve. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think no matter how big or small the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: sentence was going to be, was ever going to sort
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: of make any difference on whether obviously murderers don't commit murder,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: anticipating the sort of time they're going to serve God
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: even I mean that her reasons for doing it were crazy,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: just nonsensical enough.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: As it was.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: If she lives to eighty one, so she's fifty now
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: this is taking into account the time she's already served
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: behind bars. That would make eighty one or eighty two.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I've sent two different reports by the time she gets out.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Is she ever going to live that long?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Wet?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean a form of it is a form
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: of hell. I'm not saying she didn't, it's anything.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Well, no, it's crazy. Well.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Also in the Herald Sun tomorrow a very interesting headline here.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Safer in Africa. This is an exclusive.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: Kids fearing for their lives are sent by migrant parents
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: to Kenya Uganda boarding schools as Premier faces backlash on
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: machete murders. Terrified migrant parents as sending their children back
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: to Africa because Melbourne is too dangerous. Afrikau's chief doctor
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Burn Ahmed says he has helped several teens flee to
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: Uganda and Kenyan boarding schools, with their mothers telling.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Him the gangs want to kill my child.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: It comes as just into Alan faces backlash over the
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: machete murders of two young boys. That is pretty incredible.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: When migrant parents are sending their kids back to Africa
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: because Melbourne has become so dangerous, is Victoria officially a
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: failed stage?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: This story is just like a chief's kiss.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It is so damn good if you've got to send
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: your kids to Kenya or Uganda because it's too.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Dangerous in Melbourne.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Up.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: You could not get a better tabloid's story.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Than that Kenya line. Ball You've really got a problem.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I know we're laughing about it, but it is serious.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: This is just how bad things are in Victoria. Thank you,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews. I hope you had fun the other day
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: over in China. Let's go to the front of the
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Australian tomorrow where what we're talking about victoria failed stage.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: It just gets better and better. Doesn't state voice to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: say who's original?
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Jesus won't get any trouble.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Victoria's voice, like body, will have legislative backing to make
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: statewide rules about who can claim to be Aboriginal, creating
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a centralized authority that could end self identification in government
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: jobs and even.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Lead to fraud prosecution.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: The Australian has confirmed that under the State Treaty Act,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Victoria's historic First Nations representative body called Gelung Board would
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: make statewide rules, standards and guidelines regarding the confirmation of aboriginality.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Well doesn't this just go against everything that we have
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: been told for the last two decades?
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean it does say in the article that
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: currently there are different standards depending on the body, the
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: public service, the thing you're trying to qualify for.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: So in theory, Bruce Pasco Stan that has heard thoroughly behind.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: In theory, it makes sense that you want some central authority.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: But is handing all of that power to this state
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: voice really the way to go?
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I would probably focus.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, given that we've just had two young African
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Australian kids in Victoria be killed in another gang attack,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I would think maybe, you know, if you were going
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: to sort of focus on racial injustice, maybe all the
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: people killing themselves and you know, sending their kids off
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: to Uganda, maybe that might be a priority.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: But what would I know.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Anyway, let's go to the advertiser now and another I
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: just cannot I cannot believe this. This is I mean
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: you think your faith in society has already been shaken.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Get a load of this blue over Wiggles spending Blue
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Wiggle Anthony Field a friend of mine.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Love you, Anthey. Everyone's a friend of mine, but I
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: really do like Anthey.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Field allegedly approved travel costs for his daughter's friend and
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: made unnecessary hiring costs for his nephew, according to a
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: lawsuit logged against launched against the Wiggles.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: No, the Wiggles former chief.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Executive Luke O'Neill has launched proceedings in the Federal Court
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: against the Wiggles Holdings.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Hope are they holding it or are they wiggling it? I don't.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Against against the Wheels Holding Anthonyfield and the company's general counsel,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Matthew Selgo over allegations he was sacked on no reasonable basis.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: The claims were denied. My god, that really is the
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: story that has everything, isn't it?
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I mean you can't trust the Blue Wiggle? Who can you?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: And the poor kids out there, they'll be shocked.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: Well when they're reading the Adelaide Advertiser tomorrow morning, they
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: will be absolutely heartbroken. Just quickly in the Daily Telly
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Red tape is condemning.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Sydney nightlife to death.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: By da businesses across the state could be missing out
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: on more than one hundred and twenty million dollars in
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: sales every year under an outdated planning system that is
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: killing New South Wales's nighttime economy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, you just have to.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: Look around Sydney to see that that is totally happening.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Too, right, And I do hope the kids are reading
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the Adelaide Advertiser tomorrow morning. It is a great publication.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: You can find my colum in at every Friday.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: After the break you know there. But for the grace
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of God go I.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I know you can make mistakes on television. If the
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: one I'm going to show you after this wealth is
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: pretty bad stick around.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Look the mighty Adelaide CROs they lost on Thursday night.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I'm devastated about it, but we do still have a
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: chance to make it through the finals and hopefully get
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: to the Grand Final this week against Hawthorne. But now
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: you will know one of the complicating factors in all this.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: You probably heard the story is one of.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Our players, Isaac Rankin, got caught up in a scuffle
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago where he used an anti gay
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: slur against a Collingwood player. That Collingwood player is Isaac Quainer.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Now Isaac Rankin was given four matches for this, so
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: we could have him in the Grand Final, but over
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: on Channel Team.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And again, as I said before.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: The break, there, but for the grace of God go I.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: But it is too funny for me to not show you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Hugh Riyminton, one of their news hosts, he is talking
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: about this case with Isaac Rankin and Isaac Quana, who
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: again I say, had a homophobic slur used against him,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and this is what Hugh Riyminton called him.
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: The AFL world is talking about the clothes fans who
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: booed Collingwood's Isaac Gaynor the most recent development and that
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: ugly saga involving homophobia and bigotry and a governing body
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: that seems to be struggling to tackle it.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: How good?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: How good? I mean, you know, Freudian slip of all
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Freudian slips.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this story about the homophobic comment. But he's
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: mister Gaynor. I mean, you know, of course it was
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: a mistake. Who I know, we're making funny you here, but.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Also can we go LOGI for ursula for sitting next
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: to him is going. By the way, did.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: You see the Prime Minister at the footy on the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: weekend getting booed?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: How good is this?
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit nervous for the first time. Maybe
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: just a hawthorn fans that have traveled, sure that apart.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: It's a national score.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Look fair enough wearing a hawthorn scarf. You deserve to
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: be buried supporter. I fully support that, but not that PM.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Come on, I.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Love the head till there.
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: When they started booing, he's like, who's that force for me?
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: About that is here?
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: I won ninety four sets obviously they don't read Newspile
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: and just a quick one. This is an extraordinary story
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Lego for one of all the geeks out there. Lego
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: has just released its most expensive set in history.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: It was made famous by the recent Spider Man trilogy.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: This is a one thousand and five hundred dollars Star
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Wars Lego Death Star. It has more than nine thousand
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: pieces and comes with thirty eight individual minifigures. And look,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: it's even got its own little Imperial shuttle in there.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: One for all the geeks out there, there's your consolation
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: prize for not having a girlfriend, and.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Of course all the money that you're saving not having
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that girlfriend.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Exactly, that's all those Valentine's Days of the future. Just
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: buy the Death Star.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: With it, I think that will be your your next
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: birthday gifts one.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right up, my Alley.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Sounds like you never understood leg can't can't say it
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: as much for me. Don't mind Lego, but not Star Wars.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I think