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BIlls “broken” by Broncos, C.J. Stroud struggles, Remembering Martin Luther King Jr. | 01.19 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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Speaker 1: a hater. Wow. It is a weekend with a lot
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Speaker 1: of football. We are going to start here with the
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Speaker 1: Bills and the Broncos. where the Broncos won 33-30 in
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Speaker 1: overtime over the Bills. This is very interesting where this
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Speaker 1: was a very close game and often an exciting game.
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Speaker 2: But Ryan, I would not say that it was a
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Speaker 2: great game.
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Speaker 3: No. No, it was sloppy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not very well played, right?
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Speaker 2: But it sure was compelling.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: It was top to bottom compelling. And in the end,
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Speaker 1: it was the most devastating game that I have ever seen.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that I say it was the most
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Speaker 1: devastating game I have ever seen is is I have
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Speaker 1: never seen a game that ended with both teams so devastated.
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Speaker 2: Now, shout out to the Denver Broncos.
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Speaker 1: I guess we ain't really get a real chance to
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Speaker 1: look at them because the players hadn't found this out yet.
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Speaker 1: But they won this game. And Sean Payton did his
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Speaker 1: postgame media stuff.
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Speaker 2: He left.
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Speaker 1: He came back and was like, oh, by the way,
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Speaker 1: got to let you guys know something. Bo Nix has
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Speaker 1: a broken bone in his ankle. He's going to have
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Speaker 1: surgery on Tuesday. He's out for the rest of the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: That was a big win for that team. If I'm
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Speaker 1: not mistaken, it was Denver's first playoff win in 10
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Speaker 1: years since the 2015 season when they won the Super Bowl, right?
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Speaker 2: They won this at home. They won it in overtime.
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Speaker 1: This was a make-it-happen sort of situation. They got it done.
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Speaker 1: Their quarterback did not play badly. I did not think
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Speaker 1: that their quarterback played well.
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Speaker 3: He did make a couple of massive throws.
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Speaker 1: He did.
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Speaker 3: And we are combined in our Bo Nix skepticism.
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Speaker 1: But he made some big, I'm not going to pretend
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Speaker 1: like he was terrible.
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: There's no need to act like he played badly.
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Speaker 1: He made those big throws. And in a game like that,
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Speaker 1: the ability to make those big throws matters. Right. However,
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Speaker 1: this was not a, see, we told you what I
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Speaker 1: was wrong about, but it's not going to vindicate in
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Speaker 1: either direction is the point that I'm making there.
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Speaker 2: But he's got a broken bone in his ankle?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, you got that big emotional win, and now your
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Speaker 1: quarterback is out, and Sean Payton says that Jarrett Stidham
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Speaker 1: will be ready.
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Speaker 2: Ready for what? I'm acting like I ain't never seen him.
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Speaker 2: Ready for what?
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Speaker 3: No. All right.
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Speaker 1: Auburn, look, I've seen... No, I'm just telling you right now, man.
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Speaker 1: Bless you guys' hearts. And if you manage to win this,
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Speaker 1: you got a boss-ass defense. Don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 2: Losing your starting quarterback is devastating.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay? And so I'll put it like this, Ryan. Regardless
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Speaker 1: of what our Bo Nix skepticism is, I think we
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Speaker 1: both agree.
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Speaker 2: He is a starting.
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Speaker 3: Starting NFL quarterback, for sure.
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Speaker 2: Starting NFL quarterback. Jerry Stidham is not.
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Speaker 3: Not.
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Speaker 1: Okay. And look, maybe I don't talk his ass into
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Speaker 1: going out here and really making it happen. You know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? I said Kirk Cousins wasn't a starting
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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. Ten fucking years later, he's made $ 857 million.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it goes that way.
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Speaker 1: But I can't.
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Speaker 2: Can you think?
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Speaker 3: Have you?
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Speaker 2: Like, I'm trying to think in the.
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Speaker 1: Playoffs of a circumstance where a quarterback was just out.
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Speaker 1: Just out of nowhere.
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Speaker 3: No, I mean, the closest comparison would obviously be, you know,
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Speaker 3: Carson Wentz about eight or nine years ago. Yes.
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Speaker 5: Early.
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Speaker 2: Like, at the end of the regular season.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but that was in, like, I think early December. Yes.
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Speaker 3: And they were the number one seed, and Carson Wentz was...
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Speaker 3: You know, he was looking like he was going to
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Speaker 3: win the MVP. Right.
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Speaker 1: That was a long time ago, wasn't it?
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Speaker 3: Yes, correct. And then, I mean, and then Nick Foles
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Speaker 3: gets hot. Right. But Nick Foles is.
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Speaker 1: It's a weird case.
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Speaker 3: It's Tom Brady compared to Jerry So.
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Speaker 2: He's only good one place.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: But that one place, he's really good.
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Speaker 1: But, like, Tom Brady got hurt in the first half
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Speaker 1: of the 2001 AFC Championship game, and they had to
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Speaker 1: go back to Drew Bledsoe.
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Speaker 3: Right. Right.
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Speaker 1: But Tom Brady was back for the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Right? You're going to the AFC Championship game. Your quarterback
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Speaker 1: is out. That is, to me, devastating. Like, if they
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Speaker 1: can hold it together in spite of that fact, blessings
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Speaker 1: to all the people that are involved. But that seems
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Speaker 1: to be devastating. However, I personally, in my life, have
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Speaker 1: never seen a team of professionals ever be more devastated
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Speaker 1: than the Buffalo bills appear to be after losing this
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Speaker 1: game to the Denver Broncos. I've never seen anything quite
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Speaker 1: like this, especially since it wasn't the Superbowl, especially since
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the AFC championship game. Now, look, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: tell you this. This is one thing about covering sports
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Speaker 1: that I don't hear people like talk about this much about,
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Speaker 1: but I will never forget this as long as I live.
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Speaker 1: It was the first time that I ever went into
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Speaker 1: a locker room of a losing team after an elimination game.
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Speaker 1: It is the saddest, the mustiest, the quietest, the tensest
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Speaker 1: scenario that you could have. It was the year 2007,
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Speaker 1: Michigan State lost to North Carolina in basketball, the second
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Speaker 1: round of the tournament at Lawrence Joel in Winston-Salem. And
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Speaker 1: I went in that Michigan State locker room, man, and
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Speaker 1: them boys was just bombed out, okay? And it was just...
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Speaker 1: Just that, that thousand yard stare type situation. Like, what
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Speaker 1: do you do? You know, like this is a game
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Speaker 1: with every, and as I recall in that game, it
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Speaker 1: was close all the way until like the last two minutes.
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Speaker 1: And then racial Terry hit like three threes in the
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Speaker 1: last two minutes. It was bananas, but they thought they
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Speaker 1: had a chance and then they were done.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about this in the context of the
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Speaker 1: Buffalo bills. No, they did not win their division, but
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Speaker 1: they had just been consistently getting knocked out of the
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Speaker 1: playoffs by quarterbacks who were most of us believe, well,
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes will be in the Hall of Fame. And
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Speaker 1: I think that most of us believe that Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: is on a Hall of Fame track. That's the direction
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Speaker 1: it goes in. This time though, there's no question that
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen was the guy in the AFC, right? He
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Speaker 1: was the, that dude, this was his chance, his nemesis
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Speaker 1: had clearly been Mahomes.
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Speaker 2: Mahomes was not there. Burrow, not there. This is for you.
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Speaker 1: It is you on one side. It is Bo Nix
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Speaker 1: on the other. This was the opportunity. And they lost.
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Speaker 1: And I cannot think of a time that I have
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Speaker 1: seen a quarterback of a team at the podium after
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Speaker 1: a game sobbing. In the way that Josh Allen was.
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Speaker 3: Not crying.
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Speaker 1: Sobbing. This is not an exaggeration. It was literal sobbing.
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Speaker 2: Tears running down his face. Eyes puffy. He was done for.
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Speaker 2: Did you see Deion Dawkins?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In the locker room. Like, these guys.
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Speaker 1: This may be over for them as franchise. I mean,
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Speaker 1: not like the Buffalo Bills will never win a game again, right?
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Speaker 1: But for this run and what it's been. I can't,
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Speaker 1: I'm reluctant, like, okay, so I'm somewhat reluctant to say
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Speaker 1: that they cannot overcome what this was. However, the only
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Speaker 1: reason I'm reluctant to say it is I'm not, I've
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Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. Like, if any of you
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Speaker 1: can think of a time that you've seen a team
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Speaker 1: look this battered and this, they didn't feel like this
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Speaker 1: after the 13-second game.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: In that game, they were way closer to having won.
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Speaker 1: than this one, right? But this was the, have they
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Speaker 1: heard everything that we've been saying, Ryan, the if not now,
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Speaker 1: then when sort of situation?
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Speaker 2: And I guess it didn't feel that way then, right?
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Speaker 1: Is it that it feels this way now that it's
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Speaker 1: year eight for Josh Allen, it's year nine for McDermott?
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Speaker 1: Is it that everybody looked around and just said to themselves, damn,
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Speaker 1: I guess we just not gonna do this?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that the only comp to me,
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Speaker 3: is almost maybe the Elway Broncos, you know, losing three
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Speaker 3: AFC championship games.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were at least in Super Bowls.
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Speaker 3: But then they came back and they essentially had to
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Speaker 3: retool the roster, including getting rid of the coach. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: It had two coaching changes because Wade Phillips had to
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Speaker 1: stop in between. But you're right. Those were the teams
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Speaker 1: in the new Broncos uniforms. That was a completely different
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Speaker 1: situation than the ones, like, the only real common thread
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Speaker 1: there was John Elway.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: And I think that might be the situation if the
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Speaker 3: Bills ever get over the hump. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I will also say those years in between, they
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Speaker 1: were down. Like those were not, they were not a
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Speaker 1: continuation of what it was. Those were down years. But
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Speaker 1: I don't recall John Elway being broken. Like I don't
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Speaker 1: remember Dan Reeves. They got Dan Reeves out of there
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Speaker 1: because John Elway couldn't stand him anymore. But I just
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Speaker 1: don't remember them feeling so broken down and defeated.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this as a judge. of these
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Speaker 2: guys for feeling that way.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how it is that
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Speaker 1: you get back up off the ground after that. Like,
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Speaker 1: I think about how many times we see a team
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Speaker 1: that loses a Super Bowl. And then they can't turn
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Speaker 1: it back around. Like it's so hard for them to
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Speaker 1: get back up off the ground after this. This team
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Speaker 1: looked more devastated than any team that I had seen
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Speaker 1: lose the Superbowl. So I don't know where they go
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Speaker 1: from here. Like that is, it's, it's, it feels unfair
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Speaker 1: to immediately start looking to the future about them, except
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Speaker 1: what I saw there was so unprecedented. But if you
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the present with them, we can
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Speaker 1: talk about the press. Okay. And I'm sorry for you guys,
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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. We got a lot more time to talk
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Speaker 1: about y'all a little bit later. And to be honest,
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Speaker 1: I really don't know what to say about y'all. Y'all
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Speaker 1: got Jared Stidham. He going to be playing quarterback. I don't,
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Speaker 1: I don't, I'm going to need a little bit more
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Speaker 1: time to figure out what to do about you guys, okay?
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Speaker 1: But hey, hey, Bo Jones care, don't nobody else care.
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Speaker 1: Don't you think I'm out here ignoring you right now, right?
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make sure I show you the
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Speaker 1: proper respect. Now, we had this thing happen, right? We
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Speaker 1: put out video on social media. And as many of
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Speaker 1: you guys know, I've talked about it all here, talked
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Speaker 1: about it with Ryan. I love people that way, but
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Speaker 1: you know, just generally speaking, I hate social media production, right?
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Speaker 1: Like it's, you know, the game is kind of sort of,
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Speaker 1: we get out here and we, y'all get mad at me.
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Speaker 1: That really like gets what they call, what's the word, Ryan? Engagement.
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Speaker 3: Yes, engagement. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, stuff gets y'all engaged. And so we
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Speaker 1: had put out a video where I made the point
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Speaker 1: that if you're Josh Allen, You can't lose a game
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Speaker 1: to Bo Nix. Now in the video and on the podcast,
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Speaker 1: I very clearly say, I know that quarterbacks don't play
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Speaker 1: against each other, but it sure does feel that way, right?
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Speaker 2: You lazy motherfuckers.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. Y'all don't want to read, and you can't
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Speaker 1: even click a button for 45 seconds to get to
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Speaker 1: the end of it, right? Y'all was all my ass, boy,
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Speaker 1: all over it.
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is stupid take.
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Speaker 1: He think he's so much smarter than everybody else, but
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Speaker 1: he think quarterbacks play against each other. Now, those of
12:17
Speaker 1: you who listen to this show, and Ryan, I bet
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Speaker 1: you have noticed this about me. I am very careful
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Speaker 1: about that.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: I understand that that's not really how it works, except sometimes....
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Speaker 1: It kind of is in application.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: They just, cause they're just, cause they're not guarding each other.
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Speaker 3: It's not a matchup of the quarterback.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: There's a reason why we put those graphics up.
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Speaker 2: You know what? It's kind of like, it's kind of
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Speaker 2: like a game of horse.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Right. When you're playing against somebody at horse, you're not
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Speaker 1: really playing like, like I'll make a shot. You'll make
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Speaker 1: a shot. I missed a shot. Like maybe that's, that's
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Speaker 1: the way that we should look at this golf.
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Speaker 3: Same deal.
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Speaker 2: Very, very similar sort of situation.
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Speaker 1: Now, of course, the difference is in golf, everybody's playing
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Speaker 1: against the same course.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: You know, and maybe that's kind of sort of the thing,
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Speaker 1: and horse is not the exact thing. But sometimes somebody
13:14
Speaker 1: throw the ball off the ground, off the glass, and
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Speaker 1: it go in, and you got to do the exact
13:18
Speaker 1: same thing, right? Like sometimes this is what it comes
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Speaker 1: down to. Bottom line is.
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Speaker 2: We'll phrase it differently to make you feel better.
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Speaker 1: If you are the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills and
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Speaker 1: Bo Nix is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos, your
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Speaker 1: team needs to win that game no matter what the
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Speaker 1: surrounding circumstances are. Now, if Bo Nix comes out there
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Speaker 1: and Bo Nix throws for 400 yards on 30 of
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Speaker 1: 40 passing, hey man, all you can do.
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Speaker 3: Going back to the Nick Foles example. Nick Foles outplayed
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Speaker 3: Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. No one gets a
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Speaker 3: Tom Brady.
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Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Sometimes.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's your day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's your day. You tip your cap and
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Speaker 2: you give that person credit.
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Speaker 1: All right. But if Bo Nix just kind of sort
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Speaker 1: of has a day at the office and you turn
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Speaker 1: the ball over four times, including a, I hate so
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Speaker 1: much that Dominique is not on this week because he's
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Speaker 1: He had one of them turnovers that was reminiscent of
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Speaker 1: that game in Houston when he was out there throwing
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Speaker 1: bombs to square bodies at the end of the game.
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Speaker 1: And this was at the end of the first half
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Speaker 1: where he got out there and he decided to run.
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Speaker 1: And that that old Josh came out of him and
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Speaker 1: he gave the ball up. And quite honestly, that's the
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Speaker 1: margin of the game right there. OK, I generally try
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Speaker 1: to avoid that idea because everything every play in a
14:53
Speaker 1: game is a function of the score. So if you
14:55
Speaker 1: change the score, you change a lot of actions, activities
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is.
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Speaker 2: But on that one right there. Now, man, I think
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Speaker 2: that that that was it.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: You kind of swung the game right there. If you're
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, there is no way. I don't care who
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Speaker 1: you are. I don't care what quarterback you.
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Speaker 2: Are for turnovers. It's on you for turnovers.
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Speaker 1: And you're the guy that Josh Allen is who we
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Speaker 1: say he is.
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Speaker 2: It is on you.
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Speaker 1: There's no way around that. And the thing that I
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Speaker 1: applaud Josh Allen for is Josh Allen got that, right?
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Speaker 1: He got up at the microphone and he said, I
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Speaker 1: let everybody down, basically.
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Speaker 2: OK, now you have to worry, often worry about guys
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Speaker 2: who do that.
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Speaker 1: Generally, you know, because like as a main character syndrome
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Speaker 1: situation that often comes up when, you know, the guys
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Speaker 1: are the ones to do that. And people like, you know,
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Speaker 1: so the rest of us ain't here. Like those things
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Speaker 1: that come up. But no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: That was a dude taking accountability.
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Speaker 1: Right. And to me, the most endearing thing about Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen is that he is accountable. At every turn in this,
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Speaker 1: he has proven to be accountable. At every turn, I
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Speaker 1: need to get better at this. I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: get better at this. It is abundantly clear why everybody
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Speaker 1: that is in any proximity of him loves him because he.
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Speaker 2: Is that guy.
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Speaker 1: And to me, I see no quality that you can
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Speaker 1: have in a lot of work like he has that
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Speaker 1: is more important than being accountable, right? And I would
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Speaker 1: think we need to applaud him for being accountable.
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Speaker 2: And what I can't understand.
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Speaker 1: For the life of me is why so many of
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Speaker 1: you won't let him do it. I have been talking
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Speaker 1: about this for a very long time. It is the
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Speaker 1: collective desire of people in my business to see Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen do well. It is not simply that they are
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Speaker 1: observing him or think he's good or trying to uphold
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Speaker 1: predictions for reasons that I got guesses about. It's this rooting.
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Speaker 1: It's this, oh man, it hurts so bad for Josh Allen.
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Speaker 1: Josh didn't get to touch the ball in overtime. So
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Speaker 1: we need to change the rules so that Josh has
17:11
Speaker 1: a chance to get the ball in overtime because Patrick
17:13
Speaker 1: got the ball in overtime, right?
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Speaker 2: It's those things.
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Speaker 1: Josh hasn't won an MVP, so he wasn't first team
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Speaker 1: all pro, but we'll go ahead and give him one
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Speaker 1: of these. Okay, what? We keep seeing this happen and
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Speaker 1: you got to stop, right? It is ridiculous and it
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Speaker 1: is largely unprofessional. But the thing that I think makes
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Speaker 1: it so interesting is, I don't know, do you guys
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Speaker 1: not realize that you're doing this? Like, can you honestly
17:45
Speaker 1: not see the huge difference in the way that people
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Speaker 1: treat it when Josh Allen comes up short, right? And again,
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Speaker 1: I understand why you might want it for him. But
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Speaker 1: four turnovers.
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Speaker 2: This was on him, right?
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Speaker 1: This wasn't on the refs for that, what, the interception
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Speaker 1: that could have been a catch or whatever. And I'm
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Speaker 1: going to tell you, this is my take on that,
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Speaker 1: all right? Could have gone either way. I thought that
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Speaker 1: it was an interception. I never thought that Brandon Cooks
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Speaker 1: had control in a way to make it a catch.
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Speaker 1: And this is the biggest thing for me. When I
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Speaker 1: see examples of simultaneous possession, in my mind at least,
18:28
Speaker 1: it always feels like the defense, in order to get
18:31
Speaker 1: a hold of it, has to like wrestle the ball away.
18:34
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Ryan, I don't know if
18:37
Speaker 1: it looked this way to you, but it looked like
18:38
Speaker 1: he was just like, hey, let me get that right fast.
18:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they were like, almost caught it and
18:41
Speaker 3: then he rolled and he came up with it.
18:43
Speaker 1: Right, right. It wasn't, but you know what I'm talking about, right?
18:45
Speaker 2: Like, with those guys getting locked up.
18:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, they ripped, yeah.
18:47
Speaker 2: There's like this tugging.
18:48
Speaker 1: Sort of situation. I didn't see any tugging that was
18:51
Speaker 1: going on there. He just got it, he rolled over it,
18:53
Speaker 1: he had the ball. But you know part of why
18:55
Speaker 1: that went that way? Because it was a little bit underthrown.
18:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
18:59
Speaker 4: Right?
18:59
Speaker 1: Like, he, this was the chance.
19:02
Speaker 3: There's the third and 10 driving right before they kick
19:05
Speaker 3: the field goal. Wide open, misses him.
19:07
Speaker 1: Yes. Could have been a walk-in for a touchdown.
19:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the margins of being, you know, a
19:15
Speaker 3: great regular season quarterback and one of the all-time greats.
19:20
Speaker 3: It's a thin margin, but he's nearly 30.
19:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:25
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's wild.
19:26
Speaker 1: It's not over, right? It's not like he'll never get
19:28
Speaker 1: it done.
19:29
Speaker 3: But he is past the age of being treated with
19:32
Speaker 3: any sort of kid gloves.
19:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
19:33
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
19:33
Speaker 2: He's got an MVP.
19:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
19:36
Speaker 1: And it's not like Lamar Jackson won an MVP at
19:37
Speaker 1: like 22.
19:38
Speaker 3: Yes.
19:39
Speaker 1: You know, like he's got an MVP. He's been to
19:43
Speaker 1: championship games. All of his peers, except for Lamar, have
19:48
Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. But what? Lamar been just
19:51
Speaker 1: as far as he has been. And we have, we
19:55
Speaker 1: have given Lamar his hell for this year. Right. But
19:58
Speaker 1: this is the thing that gets me about it in
20:00
Speaker 1: terms of how we deal with Allen as it relates
20:01
Speaker 1: specifically to this season. Um, Most of us would say
20:07
Speaker 1: that the top two guys for the MVP this year
20:11
Speaker 1: are Matthew Stafford and Drake May. So that is to say,
20:14
Speaker 1: in a year where Patrick Mahomes, not only did he
20:17
Speaker 1: not play well, he also wound up getting hurt. In
20:21
Speaker 1: a year where Lamar Jackson was hurt for most of
20:24
Speaker 1: the year, in a year where Joe Burrow was hurt
20:28
Speaker 1: for most of the year, Josh Allen was not even
20:33
Speaker 1: the second best quarterback in the league. Do I think
20:37
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is the second best quarterback in the NFL? Yes.
20:41
Speaker 2: Or at the very least, the third.
20:43
Speaker 1: Like, I think with he and Lamar, I still have
20:45
Speaker 1: that as being very, very, very close. All right? But
20:50
Speaker 1: two guys were better than him this year. And that
20:53
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they are necessarily better players. Like, do
20:56
Speaker 1: I think Drake Mays is a better player than Josh Allen?
20:58
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but.
20:59
Speaker 1: He probably was a better player this year. You understand
21:02
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, it's a distinction that I do
21:03
Speaker 1: think has a difference, okay? But even still, another, this
21:09
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen's time. He was the MVP last year.
21:11
Speaker 1: Other guys played better than him. Then you come into
21:14
Speaker 1: a playoff game where, right, it's safe to say, Bo
21:18
Speaker 1: Nix outplayed him.
21:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean... Turned the ball four times.
21:23
Speaker 1: Right.
21:23
Speaker 2: If I say it, Bo Nix, when he turned it
21:25
Speaker 2: over twice, right?
21:25
Speaker 3: Yes.
21:26
Speaker 2: Okay.
21:26
Speaker 1: I mean, again, not the greatest game, but Bo Nix
21:29
Speaker 1: outplayed him, right? He did not play better than the
21:33
Speaker 1: rest of the quarterbacks in the regular season. He was
21:35
Speaker 1: not better than his adversary in this game. This year
21:40
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen, All this weeping for Josh Allen, this
21:43
Speaker 1: was his chance. Right.
21:45
Speaker 2: On multiple levels. And he didn't do it.
21:49
Speaker 6: Right.
21:50
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this means something like fundamental
21:53
Speaker 1: about his character, fundamental about his potential, any of this.
21:56
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is it didn't get done because
21:58
Speaker 1: he didn't do it.
22:01
Speaker 2: And you know who seems to believe that and understand that?
22:04
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. So why won't so many of you allow
22:09
Speaker 1: him to be the stand-up, respectable sort of person that
22:13
Speaker 1: we typically admire, right? Let him be that. Be honest
22:18
Speaker 1: about it. You don't have to kick him while he's down.
22:20
Speaker 1: You don't have to pile on. But goddamn, you do
22:23
Speaker 1: not have to lie. Stop lying. All right, we got
22:33
Speaker 1: ourselves another good one to wrap up.
22:37
Speaker 2: These have been great playoffs.
22:39
Speaker 1: The NFL playoffs are a little hit or miss in
22:41
Speaker 1: terms of what it is that you're actually going to get.
22:45
Speaker 1: These have been really good so far, even though I
22:47
Speaker 1: don't think any of the teams are really good. These, however,
22:51
Speaker 1: have been really good. And look, the finish of that game,
22:56
Speaker 1: this can't be the Caleb Williams experience for like.
22:59
Speaker 2: 15 years because people are going to have heart attacks, right?
23:01
Speaker 5: Correct.
23:02
Speaker 1: It can be what.
23:03
Speaker 2: This is while he is young.
23:05
Speaker 1: And it starts off a little slow.
23:07
Speaker 2: You don't know what's going on.
23:08
Speaker 1: He was, there's another game of like kind of sort
23:11
Speaker 1: of 50% completion, right? Like right around in that zone,
23:16
Speaker 1: three interceptions. Obviously that's bad news.
23:19
Speaker 3: This is terrible. Mrs. Easy layups down the stretch.
23:23
Speaker 1: Yes. But, and I don't think we need to walk
23:26
Speaker 1: through the entire game. That touchdown pass is, I can't
23:31
Speaker 1: believe that was real.
23:35
Speaker 3: Can I be a prisoner for a moment for a second?
23:37
Speaker 1: Feel free.
23:37
Speaker 3: That might be the best throw I've ever seen. It's
23:39
Speaker 3: up there.
23:40
Speaker 1: I mean, if you do the math on it, right,
23:44
Speaker 1: the circumstances, and I mean the macro circumstances of the game,
23:49
Speaker 1: fourth in the season, right?
23:51
Speaker 3: Right.
23:51
Speaker 2: Throw in the weather as part of it.
23:54
Speaker 1: Throw in the fact that all the Rams, Merlin Olsen,
23:58
Speaker 1: Deacon Jones, they was both.
23:59
Speaker 2: Back there chasing him around.
24:01
Speaker 1: And it's not that he just like, or maybe it
24:03
Speaker 1: was just the old Hail Mary. He seemed to put
24:06
Speaker 1: that on the dot.
24:08
Speaker 3: He's going backwards from the 41. His back foot's on
24:13
Speaker 3: the 41.
24:13
Speaker 1: It was the 41?
24:15
Speaker 3: Yes. And he's leaning backwards and throws him to the
24:18
Speaker 3: back corner of the end zone.
24:20
Speaker 2: On the dot.
24:21
Speaker 3: On the dot.
24:22
Speaker 2: On the dot.
24:24
Speaker 3: It looked like the video game settings were too easy.
24:26
Speaker 1: Well, it looked like he was going to hear about
24:30
Speaker 1: this all offseason.
24:32
Speaker 3: Yes.
24:32
Speaker 1: Like the set of circumstances that led to that happening
24:37
Speaker 1: is insane. Correct.
24:39
Speaker 2: You did something wrong.
24:41
Speaker 1: To get us to this place.
24:43
Speaker 2: But then to be able to say. Nah it's cool.
24:46
Speaker 2: And then make the throw. The catch is there.
24:49
Speaker 3: And he's been doing this. I don't know if you
24:50
Speaker 3: read Seth Wickersham's book. But Cale Williams is very heavily
24:54
Speaker 3: featured in that. And this goes back to his high
24:57
Speaker 3: school days. In Maryland. Is like. They get down 28-0.
25:01
Speaker 3: They win 43-42.
25:04
Speaker 1: Well, did you watch his college coming out party in 2021,
25:07
Speaker 1: the Texas-Oklahoma game?
25:09
Speaker 3: Yes. Spencer Rattler.
25:11
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler.
25:12
Speaker 2: And then just next thing you know, it's.
25:14
Speaker 3: Like, who is this? And now it's the same season
25:17
Speaker 3: where he's pulling the ball from the running back to
25:19
Speaker 3: convert fourth downs.
25:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nuts.
25:21
Speaker 1: It was also him firmly believing that he was the
25:25
Speaker 1: best player in the country while on the oak as
25:29
Speaker 1: a true freshman.
25:30
Speaker 2: And having a case.
25:33
Speaker 4: Yes. Right?
25:34
Speaker 1: But the NFL, I mean, he has not been the
25:38
Speaker 1: best quarterback of his draft class.
25:41
Speaker 2: His first year, I think we would agree, he was third.
25:44
Speaker 3: Right.
25:45
Speaker 2: Right behind Jayden Daniels and Drake Mayne.
25:48
Speaker 3: And this year he was second.
25:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year he was second. Daniels was largely hurt.
25:55
Speaker 1: But he's one of these things where, He's one of
25:58
Speaker 1: these cases where he's been a great fourth quarter quarterback,
26:00
Speaker 1: but I want a great third quarter quarterback. I think
26:03
Speaker 1: we've talked about this on the show. I want somebody
26:05
Speaker 1: who just hands it off in the fourth quarter. This
26:07
Speaker 1: motherfucker got to get out here and make magic happen
26:09
Speaker 1: every single time.
26:10
Speaker 3: It's like one of the great analytics movements was, you
26:13
Speaker 3: know what's better than third down conversions?
26:16
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah i mean it's a big thing man
26:18
Speaker 1: it's a big thing and he just drops back and
26:21
Speaker 1: it spreads out and then he's just kind of like
26:23
Speaker 1: okay we'll figure this out in large part because i
26:25
Speaker 1: cannot believe that somebody his size has that arm right
26:30
Speaker 1: somebody coming in at around six one and a half
26:32
Speaker 1: six two right although i guess he's like park has
26:35
Speaker 1: talked about this last week right like he is built
26:38
Speaker 1: like a house like he's got it but do you
26:43
Speaker 1: think dan campbell would have gone for two Under those circumstances.
26:46
Speaker 1: And I ask that because Big Brain Ben is like
26:49
Speaker 1: clearly descended from that go for fourth down school of Campbell.
26:54
Speaker 2: And I was thinking to myself, if America's team, the.
26:58
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, were in that circumstance, would I want them
27:02
Speaker 1: to go for two?
27:03
Speaker 2: And I think I reached the point where.
27:04
Speaker 1: I say yes. A big part of why I say
27:07
Speaker 1: yes is I'm ready to go home. Like I'm not,
27:10
Speaker 1: over time, overrated. Not really that big a fan of
27:13
Speaker 1: the whole cuss up. If we can get out of
27:15
Speaker 1: here right now, let's go ahead and get out of here.
27:18
Speaker 1: But the problem, Ryan, I think is what we were
27:20
Speaker 1: just talking about. It's one thing for Williams to do
27:22
Speaker 1: this with a little more space to operate, but a
27:24
Speaker 1: guy that has been good to miss some layups, do
27:27
Speaker 1: you want to put it in his hands in that
27:29
Speaker 1: condensed space?
27:30
Speaker 3: Right.
27:30
Speaker 1: Like Ben Johnson has demonstrated himself to be a lot
27:33
Speaker 1: of things.
27:34
Speaker 2: He ain't scared.
27:35
Speaker 3: Correct.
27:36
Speaker 1: And he decided that we needed to go ahead and
27:38
Speaker 1: kick and play this out. I think if you made.
27:41
Speaker 3: A normal, like a normal fourth down play, like if
27:44
Speaker 3: you were, but you forget how fast it is. Like, oh,
27:50
Speaker 3: we just threw the, we threw the greatest pass ever.
27:52
Speaker 3: And now we got to get an operation in, in
27:55
Speaker 3: 40 seconds. All right.
27:56
Speaker 1: So let's try this. Yeah. Okay. I don't know the
28:03
Speaker 1: best word to use under these circumstances, but if I
28:08
Speaker 1: were one of these people listening to this show, I
28:11
Speaker 1: am going to use the word that they would use
28:15
Speaker 1: even though they are speaking to a concept that I
28:19
Speaker 1: don't believe exists.
28:21
Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
28:22
Speaker 1: Okay.
28:23
Speaker 3: I was curious what word you're using now.
28:26
Speaker 1: So.
28:27
Speaker 3: About the thing they just got a bunch of?
28:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:29
Speaker 1: There are many people who.
28:30
Speaker 3: And now they can't take code with them.
28:31
Speaker 1: There are many people who believe that in that moment
28:34
Speaker 1: that they would have something that they would refer to
28:36
Speaker 1: as momentum. Under those circumstances, right? That you have just
28:39
Speaker 1: hit them with a swift kick in the gonads. And
28:44
Speaker 1: now maybe we just hurry up and we line up
28:47
Speaker 1: and they won't have it. Now, what it is more
28:51
Speaker 1: likely to be, your guys are riding some confidence right now.
28:54
Speaker 1: And you're thinking that their guys might be a little
28:56
Speaker 1: bit dazed, right? When they're a little bit wobbly. You
28:59
Speaker 1: notice nobody ever calls them momentum in boxing?
29:01
Speaker 5: Yeah.
29:02
Speaker 1: Okay. Think of it like boxing, right? They're a little
29:05
Speaker 1: wobbly over there, right? You put them down, they getting
29:08
Speaker 1: back up. You could go right in on a straight
29:10
Speaker 1: line and give it to them. Or you could say, nope,
29:14
Speaker 1: let's dance a little bit more.
29:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:18
Speaker 1: And maybe that was the time to just come in
29:21
Speaker 1: there and hit them with the hammer. Maybe that was it.
29:24
Speaker 1: But it could go either way, right? In the end,
29:28
Speaker 1: the guy that we're giving all this credit to, went
29:30
Speaker 1: out there and threw a pick. Now, that was the one,
29:33
Speaker 1: like going to a DJ Moore where it's a question
29:35
Speaker 1: to ask whether or not the quarterback in the receiver on.
29:38
Speaker 3: The same page yeah it didn't it didn't.
29:40
Speaker 1: Look like they were and by the way if that's
29:42
Speaker 1: the case that's kind of sort of quarterback thing too
29:46
Speaker 1: yeah right like it's your job to get everybody on
29:48
Speaker 1: the same program however it happens to go but the
29:51
Speaker 1: other side the mv the presumptive mvp by the way
29:55
Speaker 1: both presumptive mvp guys we'll talk about the other one
29:59
Speaker 1: you know but Didn't play that well. No.
30:02
Speaker 3: Right?
30:02
Speaker 2: Stafford did not complete 50% of his passes.
30:05
Speaker 1: And as I say about Stafford all the time, he's
30:08
Speaker 1: going to give you a chance. And he gave, there
30:11
Speaker 1: were chances to get the ball back around. There were
30:13
Speaker 1: two fumbles. There were also at least one or two
30:16
Speaker 1: of those. Where it's like, oh, you guys could have
30:19
Speaker 1: picked that off. I imagine, though, it's really hard to
30:21
Speaker 1: intercept Matthew Stafford if you don't see it coming. I
30:25
Speaker 1: think some of that is also with Josh Allen, who
30:26
Speaker 1: will always give you a chance. They talk about all
30:28
Speaker 1: them games in a row. Josh Allen hadn't had a
30:29
Speaker 1: turnover before he got them all in one game. I'm like,
30:32
Speaker 1: I don't see how.
30:33
Speaker 3: That feels like a result rather than process.
30:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:38
Speaker 1: But here's the thing about it. I'm going to run
30:40
Speaker 1: this by you. Me and my brother talk about this.
30:42
Speaker 1: My brother's got a buddy, E. Richardson. Eric Richardson played
30:45
Speaker 1: basketball at Alabama during the Wimp Sanderson days. Buck Johnson,
30:50
Speaker 1: Bobby Lee Hart, all those guys, right? And my brother
30:53
Speaker 1: asked him about magic. Because, you know, he had played
30:56
Speaker 1: pick up with magic, you know, stuff like that. And
30:59
Speaker 1: how it was that nobody... ever took Magic's dribble. Magic 6'9.
31:05
Speaker 1: Magic ain't have no boom, boom, boom, low cross game
31:08
Speaker 1: or whatever. No, Magic is dribbling that ball high.
31:11
Speaker 3: Like to his eyes.
31:12
Speaker 1: Yes. How did nobody ever take the ball away from Magic?
31:15
Speaker 1: And he told him, Magic dribbling that ball hard as hell.
31:20
Speaker 3: Right?
31:20
Speaker 2: Like Magic, bow, bow.
31:21
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how hard Magic Johnson, like it's one
31:25
Speaker 1: of those things you just don't think about.
31:26
Speaker 3: Until someone points it out, yeah.
31:28
Speaker 2: Case in point.
31:29
Speaker 1: It's not exactly the same, but somewhat similar. I've told
31:31
Speaker 1: you guys before, I went to Iceland in 2024. I
31:35
Speaker 1: went snowmobiling on a glacier. Ryan, if I have not
31:38
Speaker 1: sent you the pictures of it, I will.
31:40
Speaker 3: You have not.
31:40
Speaker 1: It was a really incredible experience, right? But fell off
31:45
Speaker 1: the snowmobile a couple of times. To this day, dog.
31:48
Speaker 1: To this day, it's in my shoulder. But that summer, okay,
31:52
Speaker 1: that trip was in February, just so we're clear. So
31:55
Speaker 1: late May, I start coming back around, right? I'm in Atlanta.
32:00
Speaker 1: I'm at Turner. We're doing the Altcast for the Western
32:04
Speaker 1: Conference Finals. And I meet Brendan Haywood. First time I'd
32:07
Speaker 1: seen Brendan Haywood. Brendan Haywood, for those of you who
32:09
Speaker 1: don't know, seven feet tall, played the center in North Carolina,
32:12
Speaker 1: played in the NBA for a very long time. Brendan Haywood,
32:15
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was happy to... meet me
32:17
Speaker 1: or whatever, but he gave me a level of dap
32:21
Speaker 1: that set my shit back like three months.
32:24
Speaker 3: You got the hard dribble to your hand?
32:26
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Straight up and down. It was like, oh, man.
32:29
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like the I shook Adrian Peters' hand situation.
32:33
Speaker 6: He dared to pop my arm out of joint just
32:36
Speaker 6: by showing love, right? Now, with Magic Johnson, like, you
32:40
Speaker 6: try to stick your hand in there and take the
32:42
Speaker 6: ball for Magic.
32:44
Speaker 1: Walk out of that bad boy.
32:45
Speaker 2: Like when you see somebody's finger get popped out of joint.
32:48
Speaker 2: Except it's your shoulder.
32:49
Speaker 1: And maybe that's what happens when you don't realize that
32:52
Speaker 1: that Matthew Stafford pass is coming for you.
32:55
Speaker 2: And you just can't get a hold. Like, yo, man,
32:57
Speaker 2: he burnt me. Like that thing was spinning.
33:00
Speaker 1: Like you might be able to.
33:00
Speaker 2: Hear that joint in the air.
33:04
Speaker 1: That's the only way that I figured the Cats ain't
33:05
Speaker 1: picking these passes off.
33:06
Speaker 3: Speaking of, you know, Stafford, a lot of pressure. when
33:11
Speaker 3: the four quarterbacks left in the tournament are Sam Darnold.
33:14
Speaker 1: Yes.
33:15
Speaker 3: Jared Stidham. Yes. And, you know, someone who, you know,
33:20
Speaker 3: you're 15 years older than. Yes. Yes.
33:23
Speaker 1: Now this is, I'm going to just say this right now.
33:28
Speaker 1: The Rams don't win the Superbowl. Ain't no, we can't
33:31
Speaker 1: shut this hall of fame thing up. If they don't win,
33:36
Speaker 1: he didn't do Josh Allen. Like Josh Allen had to,
33:41
Speaker 1: I mean, right. He was dealing with that. Now it's
33:45
Speaker 1: the least scrutinized number one overall pick in the history
33:49
Speaker 1: of number one overall pick quarterbacks. It's him.
33:52
Speaker 2: This is your time.
33:53
Speaker 1: You have the best two receivers, one, two in the
33:57
Speaker 1: league where one guy led the league in catches in.
33:59
Speaker 2: Yards and the other one led the league in touchdowns.
34:03
Speaker 3: And again, Talk about surefire Hall of Famers.
34:07
Speaker 1: Devontae Adams? Yes. Yeah, it's one of those that you
34:10
Speaker 1: didn't really think about and then it happened. Right. Right? Like,
34:14
Speaker 1: he is... Because, you know, Antonio Brown's Hall of Fame
34:18
Speaker 1: case is about to start. And that's going to be.
34:21
Speaker 3: That's going to be a fun one.
34:22
Speaker 1: That's going to be a fun one. The Devontae Adams case...
34:24
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's a no-brainer on just football stuff.
34:28
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of whether they decide they don't
34:30
Speaker 1: want to let him in. But the Devontae Adams case
34:32
Speaker 1: is very, very similar.
34:34
Speaker 3: Yes.
34:34
Speaker 1: Like when you get in there and look at it,
34:36
Speaker 1: I think the Devontae Adams case is maybe a little
34:37
Speaker 1: more similar than Julio Jones, who I think will get in.
34:40
Speaker 1: But you and I have talked about this and maybe
34:42
Speaker 1: we might want to, this is actually a fun episode.
34:45
Speaker 1: I'll talk about this in front of people that we
34:46
Speaker 1: may be able to have of Super Bowl week, which
34:49
Speaker 1: is going through that Hall of Fame ballot.
34:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:51
Speaker 1: Like it lets you know, it's some dudes that ain't.
34:54
Speaker 2: Never getting in.
34:55
Speaker 6: Yeah.
34:55
Speaker 2: That you've been trying to, not you, but you know,
34:57
Speaker 2: been trying to put in forever.
34:59
Speaker 1: Yes. I'm talking about Jason Witten. But anyway, This will
35:04
Speaker 1: come up with Stafford also, by the way. But they,
35:11
Speaker 1: I think most of us would agree, and I guess
35:14
Speaker 1: you could make a case for Peyton maybe, but I
35:15
Speaker 1: think McVay's the best coach that we've got left in this.
35:19
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got a pretty good coaching situation.
35:21
Speaker 1: Right. You know, with all these guys.
35:23
Speaker 3: Especially two offense, two defense.
35:24
Speaker 4: Yes.
35:25
Speaker 3: Yes.
35:25
Speaker 1: Like, I think we got a pretty good, you know,
35:27
Speaker 1: setup there, but we're going to see what happens. I mean, look,
35:32
Speaker 1: it's going to be third time's the charm over there
35:34
Speaker 1: in the NFC, right? We're going to, we're going to
35:36
Speaker 1: get a look at what goes on over there, but
35:39
Speaker 1: the future of the bears is going to be very
35:42
Speaker 1: interesting with exactly how you deal with what the future
35:45
Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams should be. And what is next year
35:50
Speaker 1: going to look like with him? Because we're all now
35:54
Speaker 1: going to expect a leap. And I think that he
35:56
Speaker 1: made a leap this year. Cause I mean, I think
35:59
Speaker 1: going from 60 something sacks to 20 something sacks that
36:03
Speaker 1: by itself, I.
36:04
Speaker 3: Don't want to compare it to some other Chicago athlete
36:07
Speaker 3: who had a down first year and then had a
36:09
Speaker 3: great first, you know, great first moment in the, uh,
36:12
Speaker 3: in the playoffs season where people start comparing them to God.
36:17
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, but, um, it's been, it's.
36:21
Speaker 3: Been a long time. That, that, that hole is there
36:23
Speaker 3: for Chicago fans.
36:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will just say this though. And I think
36:26
Speaker 1: this is important. Um, you got to get over seven
36:31
Speaker 1: yards of completion.
36:32
Speaker 4: Yes.
36:32
Speaker 2: Like you can throw me all the advanced statistics, all
36:34
Speaker 2: you want or whatever this. And I think that if.
36:37
Speaker 3: You got to complete more than 60% of your past.
36:40
Speaker 2: And that's what it comes down to is that right?
36:42
Speaker 1: Like, I think efficiency is overrated in the way that
36:45
Speaker 1: we view football, but I also do think it is important.
36:49
Speaker 1: I think the ability to make big plays is more important.
36:52
Speaker 1: Like I'd rather have somewhat of the Caleb Williams archetype
36:55
Speaker 1: than the Alex Smith archetype.
36:57
Speaker 3: Right.
36:57
Speaker 1: Right. But that's how you become Drew Brees.
37:02
Speaker 3: Yes.
37:02
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is a different animal.
37:07
Speaker 2: There's been one of those.
37:08
Speaker 1: If your thing is, I think he's the next Drew Brees,
37:10
Speaker 1: move on to somebody else. You're just asking for too much.
37:14
Speaker 1: But they need, they're going to need him to make
37:16
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37:18
Speaker 1: seems very clear to me, no matter what the system
37:20
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37:22
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37:24
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37:25
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37:27
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37:29
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37:32
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37:36
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37:39
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37:42
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37:45
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37:48
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Speaker 3: All right, Bo, a couple other games from the weekend.
40:34
Speaker 3: Saturday night, Seahawks blow the doors off of the 49ers, 41-6.
40:41
Speaker 3: Magic runs out for Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan. What
40:44
Speaker 3: was your biggest takeaway from this game?
40:46
Speaker 1: Hey guys. Um, I understand the 49ers are really low
40:52
Speaker 1: on bodies, right? I get that, but God bless anybody
40:57
Speaker 1: that has to try to score points against, um, Seattle.
41:03
Speaker 1: Like that's the, you want to score some points against Seattle.
41:06
Speaker 1: You're going to need to intercept Sam Darnold and take
41:09
Speaker 1: him back to the castle. That's what it's going to take.
41:13
Speaker 1: And it, it feels like they'd be hitting hard, too. Like,
41:16
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like San Francisco.
41:17
Speaker 3: Oh, they're nasty. Yeah, yeah.
41:19
Speaker 1: Like, I thought San Francisco's a great story this year,
41:21
Speaker 1: and they gave it everything they had.
41:23
Speaker 2: I don't know what team you could have put into
41:25
Speaker 2: that situation.
41:26
Speaker 1: Like, that's the first time in how many years they
41:28
Speaker 1: had fans in that loud-ass stadium. They were actually able
41:31
Speaker 1: to run the ball, which is something they had not
41:33
Speaker 1: been able to do. You know, like, all of those things.
41:36
Speaker 1: But it didn't matter what Sam Darnold was in that game.
41:39
Speaker 3: Right, with a torn oblique. Right.
41:42
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, look, that's a trick bag, right?
41:44
Speaker 1: But can you get to the Super Bowl without it
41:47
Speaker 1: mattering what your quarterback does?
41:50
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen before.
41:53
Speaker 3: Once.
41:54
Speaker 1: And that was maybe the greatest defense that I've ever seen.
41:57
Speaker 1: And that was in the year 2000.
41:59
Speaker 3: Right.
41:59
Speaker 1: Where the other team's quarterback in the Super Bowl was
42:02
Speaker 1: Kerry Collins.
42:04
Speaker 2: I don't know, guys.
42:05
Speaker 3: I don't know. All right, so let's move on to
42:08
Speaker 3: the AFC. The Patriots beat the Texans. CJ Stroud struggled mightily,
42:13
Speaker 3: completing 20 of his 47 passes, four first-half interceptions. Bo,
42:20
Speaker 3: what was your take? Bo, you were tweeting about the
42:22
Speaker 3: Peter man in this game.
42:23
Speaker 1: Yo, okay, so look, they lost that game to the Steelers,
42:27
Speaker 1: and you and I were both struck at how bad
42:28
Speaker 1: he looked.
42:29
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, that game was 7-6 going into the
42:31
Speaker 3: fourth quarter.
42:31
Speaker 1: And it's not just how bad he looked. It was
42:34
Speaker 1: written all over his face, right? Like, he was shook
42:39
Speaker 1: about that. But they managed to get it done because
42:41
Speaker 1: the Texans, boy, they got some bullies over there on
42:44
Speaker 1: the other side of this. He threw four interceptions in
42:47
Speaker 1: the first half against the Patriots, and I was like,
42:50
Speaker 1: he looked like the Peter Band. All he had to
42:53
Speaker 1: do was come out the next half and throw one more.
42:56
Speaker 1: We was taught by Davis Mills. You got to get
42:59
Speaker 1: him off the yoke. And that was not simply because
43:02
Speaker 1: Stroud was playing poorly. It's because it was written all
43:06
Speaker 1: over his face. It was clear that he was totally
43:09
Speaker 1: consumed by this game, by this moment. I don't know
43:12
Speaker 1: what's going on. He was one of the best rookie
43:14
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we have ever seen. Apparently it's been cheeks
43:19
Speaker 1: ever since then. And now look after year three, that's
43:21
Speaker 1: when teams start talking about signing these extensions.
43:24
Speaker 3: Okay.
43:25
Speaker 1: He's got Mulgetta representing him. He's still got the leverage
43:28
Speaker 1: because it's going to be hard to go find another quarterback.
43:31
Speaker 1: But Texas can't break the bank on this, man. If
43:34
Speaker 1: this is what it's been looking like, and it appears
43:37
Speaker 1: that this is what it's been looking like, they have age.
43:41
Speaker 1: I could not believe how bad he looks. Let me
43:42
Speaker 1: tell you who didn't look good in that game. Drake May.
43:45
Speaker 1: All right.
43:46
Speaker 2: The Texans were in this game into the fourth quarter.
43:53
Speaker 1: But the thought was the Texans are going to need
43:55
Speaker 1: to turn around an interception or a fumble or something
43:58
Speaker 1: like that to get it done. But it was on
44:00
Speaker 1: the board because of how May was playing and how
44:02
Speaker 1: that defense was playing. What was it? Four minutes left.
44:04
Speaker 1: The Texans are down by 12, and they punted the ball.
44:07
Speaker 1: And I've seen people take that.
44:08
Speaker 3: One timeout left.
44:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
44:09
Speaker 2: People take that as D'Amico gave up on the game. No, sir.
44:12
Speaker 1: I think D'Amico concluded they had a better chance of
44:14
Speaker 1: scoring a touchdown on defense than they did scoring a
44:18
Speaker 1: touchdown on offense. Like, that's... where they, I am shocked
44:26
Speaker 1: by how bad their quarterback was in that game. I
44:32
Speaker 1: can't think of a time it's been a playoff game
44:34
Speaker 1: and people have really been like, yo, y'all need to
44:35
Speaker 1: go to the bench.
44:37
Speaker 3: The bench for Davis Mills.
44:38
Speaker 1: For Davis Mills. And like, you know, we talk a
44:41
Speaker 1: lot about quarterbacks and blackups, but we was asking for
44:47
Speaker 1: Davis Mills too. And I'm generally a little skeptical of
44:51
Speaker 1: last name, last name, cats. You know what I'm saying? Like,
44:54
Speaker 1: you need to go gain you 20 pounds and play
44:56
Speaker 1: tight end. Then we might throw you the ball. Josh Allen,
44:59
Speaker 1: he got a whole team full of last name, last name, cats.
45:02
Speaker 1: What was it?
45:03
Speaker 2: Dawson Knox.
45:04
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid.
45:05
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid. Oh, boy.
45:07
Speaker 2: Look at that seal sucker suit.
45:09
Speaker 1: You know?
45:09
Speaker 2: Like, it's all right there.
45:14
Speaker 4: But.
45:16
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about the Patriots either
45:18
Speaker 1: because I don't think they played well. They played against
45:21
Speaker 1: one of the worst quarterbacking performances that I have ever
45:24
Speaker 1: seen at that level. But he's like, okay, I'm not
45:28
Speaker 1: saying he's like Jalen Hurts because I think Jalen Hurts
45:30
Speaker 1: is better than him, it seems.
45:33
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts doesn't come out there and doesn't look shook.
45:36
Speaker 1: No, no, but the same way that we have all
45:38
Speaker 1: our criticisms about Jalen Hurts and then you say, comma,
45:40
Speaker 1: but he outplayed Patrick Mahomes twice in the Super Bowl.
45:44
Speaker 1: Texans have won a playoff game three straight years with
45:46
Speaker 1: this guy. Three straight years. But they have a, they
45:52
Speaker 1: got to figure something out and they got to figure
45:53
Speaker 1: it out because they fired the offensive coordinator last year
45:55
Speaker 1: because they thought it was his fault. What if it wasn't?
46:00
Speaker 3: All right, Bo, today is Martin Luther King Day, 40th
46:04
Speaker 3: anniversary of America recognizing this holiday. You wanted to give
46:08
Speaker 3: some thoughts about Martin Luther King.
46:10
Speaker 1: All right, so I want to say one thing right
46:11
Speaker 1: fast about the holiday. And I think that This is important.
46:16
Speaker 1: I told this story here before. My buddy, Joel. See,
46:22
Speaker 1: my buddy, Joel. Hear that? Anyway, we were both at
46:28
Speaker 1: the National Association of Black Journalists annual convention in 2005
46:33
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. And Jesse Jackson was there. And I'll always
46:37
Speaker 1: remember it because Jesse Jackson was doing something that was
46:40
Speaker 1: very much, I feel like, on brand for a man
46:43
Speaker 1: of Jesse Jackson's age and stature at that time. I
46:46
Speaker 1: saw him talking on his cell phone on a hands-free kit,
46:49
Speaker 1: and the hands-free kit, the one from back in the
46:52
Speaker 1: day where you put the earpiece in and then the
46:53
Speaker 1: cord went down and plugged into the phone, right? Well,
46:56
Speaker 1: if you ain't know nobody had it in, you thought
46:57
Speaker 1: they was talking to theyself. Anyway, he was there because
47:02
Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act was up for renewal and he
47:06
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that there was, um, you know,
47:11
Speaker 1: an understanding of what was going on and awareness of
47:13
Speaker 1: the issue. And, you know, this is 2005, you know,
47:16
Speaker 1: Jesse isn't quite as relevant as he was then. And
47:19
Speaker 1: it felt, um, to a degree, like, you know, it
47:23
Speaker 1: felt a little alarmist. I think I've seen Joel use
47:25
Speaker 1: that word to describe it. It felt a little bit alarmist.
47:28
Speaker 1: And when the vote came up for the voting rights
47:32
Speaker 1: act that time, I want to say it passed unanimously
47:37
Speaker 1: through the Senate. As you guys know, it ain't no
47:41
Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act no more. You know, at least not
47:43
Speaker 1: in any way that actually factually matters. I had thought
47:49
Speaker 1: that that was a settled matter. Clearly, it was not.
47:59
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind with this holiday. It ain't got
48:02
Speaker 1: to be one forever. you know, they just got that
48:04
Speaker 1: Juneteenth one there. Good luck keeping that one on the books.
48:07
Speaker 1: Like none of this is, none of this is obligatory.
48:10
Speaker 1: None of this is required. Don't lose sight of that.
48:14
Speaker 1: Cause you may have to, we might have to snap
48:16
Speaker 1: into action to keep it if it comes down to it. Um,
48:20
Speaker 1: now King himself, I used to annually do like more
48:25
Speaker 1: of a thing and I would pick a passage from
48:29
Speaker 1: something that King had written and to speak on it. And,
48:32
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest thing for me with King always,
48:34
Speaker 1: and I've talked about this many times, is I believe
48:38
Speaker 1: that Martin Luther King is the finest man that this
48:40
Speaker 1: country has produced. A man good in such a way
48:44
Speaker 1: that I don't think that this country deserved him in
48:46
Speaker 1: a number of ways. And the biggest thing that I
48:49
Speaker 1: say about King that I think is very important and
48:51
Speaker 1: speaks to, you know, what he is or was is
48:54
Speaker 1: that no one has ever spoken with greater moral clarity.
48:59
Speaker 1: And my greatest frustration with people who misappropriate his words or,
49:05
Speaker 1: you know, as this day goes on and people go
49:07
Speaker 1: and find the most benign quotes of his that they
49:10
Speaker 1: possibly can to put them out there, you know, um,
49:13
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry, be happy. Martin Luther King, right.
49:16
Speaker 1: You know, that kind of stuff. Um, You have to
49:20
Speaker 1: do it on purpose.
49:22
Speaker 2: It's the only way. You can't accidentally get it wrong.
49:26
Speaker 1: It's not possible. You know? What was right and what
49:32
Speaker 1: was not, it wasn't just like expressed in slogan. It
49:36
Speaker 1: was always broken down. Because the thing about King that
49:38
Speaker 1: we also don't talk nearly enough about is he's really, really,
49:42
Speaker 1: really smart, right? The logic on his stuff, like if
49:48
Speaker 1: you were doing it with arrows, like A implies B,
49:51
Speaker 1: B implies C, all that stuff, the lines are always
49:54
Speaker 1: so clear. There's so little noise that surrounds it at
49:59
Speaker 1: every turn, right? It's so clear.
50:02
Speaker 2: It's always there.
50:03
Speaker 3: It's so resonant.
50:06
Speaker 1: And it makes you stop and realize, and this is
50:08
Speaker 1: part of why King was so effective.
50:11
Speaker 2: Do you realize how bad of.
50:13
Speaker 1: A person you had to be to disagree with the
50:16
Speaker 1: things that he was talking about? Like how fundamentally rotten
50:20
Speaker 1: that you had to be? That's the only reason that
50:24
Speaker 1: this holiday ever got passed or anything else is that
50:29
Speaker 1: it's like, ain't no leak in that ship, man. It's
50:34
Speaker 1: not there.
50:36
Speaker 2: It's not.
50:37
Speaker 1: And so with that in mind, I encourage you to
50:41
Speaker 1: go find anything the King has written. Chaos, Our Community
50:44
Speaker 1: is the one that I typically recommend that people go
50:46
Speaker 1: to and understand, man, he at every turn was confronting
50:50
Speaker 1: the problem of race and how we got there squarely, right?
50:56
Speaker 1: There were no punches pulled. There were no dirty punches either,
51:00
Speaker 1: but there were no punches pulled. He was always so
51:02
Speaker 1: straight ahead at this. And The greatness of King, to me,
51:11
Speaker 1: was another thing that was a settled matter. But we
51:18
Speaker 1: know that it is not. And we're going to have
51:23
Speaker 1: Howard Bryan on tomorrow to talk about his book that
51:26
Speaker 1: he wrote about Jackie Robinson and Paul Robeson. And they
51:31
Speaker 1: made Paul Robeson disappear.
51:35
Speaker 2: Like, full on.
51:37
Speaker 1: Disappear like he like he never happened like it didn't
51:40
Speaker 1: like perhaps the most famous black man in the world
51:44
Speaker 1: in the 1940s by the time he was dead in
51:46
Speaker 1: the 1970s it's like he was never there like the
51:52
Speaker 1: memories of these people can be made to evaporate very
51:55
Speaker 1: quickly without a conscientious effort to keep them alive now
52:01
Speaker 1: um something that i think is important when i make
52:04
Speaker 1: that point is this And this is for everybody, though
52:07
Speaker 1: I think it has a particular meaning for black people.
52:12
Speaker 1: They can change what they teach in schools. They can
52:16
Speaker 1: change the points that they use to decide is like
52:19
Speaker 1: some larger form of education. They cannot change what we
52:22
Speaker 1: teach each other. They cannot change what we preach on
52:26
Speaker 1: our own time. They can't do it. Everything I ever
52:30
Speaker 1: learned about black people, I learned for black people. It
52:33
Speaker 1: was never with any sort of expectation that I was
52:35
Speaker 1: going to learn this in school. It just wasn't it. Right.
52:40
Speaker 2: And we have to keep.
52:41
Speaker 1: That in mind more and more. And remember that at
52:45
Speaker 1: some point it looks as though it is possible that
52:49
Speaker 1: we are going to have to teach each other again
52:52
Speaker 1: about Martin Luther King. And if we have to teach
52:55
Speaker 1: each other about Martin Luther King, I think it becomes
52:58
Speaker 1: imperative for a lot of us that we actually learn
53:02
Speaker 1: about Martin Luther King. Because a lot of us depended
53:07
Speaker 1: on other people to give us that information.
53:11
Speaker 3: Nah, man.
53:11
Speaker 1: Information's out there. Go out there. Get it. Be inspired.
53:15
Speaker 1: Be blown away by what you read. But don't be
53:20
Speaker 1: sitting around waiting. We got to do what we got
53:23
Speaker 1: to do is what I'm saying. Let's make sure we
53:26
Speaker 1: do it.
53:32
Speaker 3: All right, Bo. Got some voicemails coming out.
53:35
Speaker 1: Thank goodness for the wipe.
53:36
Speaker 3: Thank goodness for the wipe.
53:38
Speaker 2: A nice hard transition.
53:39
Speaker 3: A nice hard cut.
53:41
Speaker 1: Here's the first one. Hey, what's up, Bo? First time call,
53:45
Speaker 1: long time listener.
53:46
Speaker 2: Hey, man, this is Courtney Collison, Georgia.
53:48
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53:51
Speaker 5: during the 90s, man, like, Y'all's shoe game was so, like, cold.
53:55
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53:58
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54:01
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54:02
Speaker 4: It's like, man, all y'all's shoes were so cold.
54:04
Speaker 5: So I just want to know, like, where did we
54:07
Speaker 5: lose the recipe?
54:08
Speaker 3: Like, why did the.
54:08
Speaker 5: Shoe game not sustain itself?
54:11
Speaker 3: Why it ain't like how it used to be where
54:13
Speaker 3: the shoes were so cold? I appreciate it.
54:18
Speaker 2: You know, y'all got lower standards, if I'm going to
54:21
Speaker 2: keep it real.
54:22
Speaker 4: Right.
54:23
Speaker 1: Koozie Hall.
54:24
Speaker 2: It's a generational situation.
54:26
Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
54:29
Speaker 2: It's a generational situation.
54:32
Speaker 3: You kids.
54:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes. But this is the thing. I
54:37
Speaker 1: think it's not just shoes. It's everything else. We now
54:40
Speaker 1: have such a vast repertoire of past things to draw
54:45
Speaker 1: from that you know people like and you know things
54:47
Speaker 1: work retroactively or whatever.
54:48
Speaker 2: But across the board.
54:49
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, why would I come up with something new
54:52
Speaker 1: when it's some old shit? that'll be that'll be cracking
54:56
Speaker 1: right i think that's a gigantic part of a lot
54:59
Speaker 1: of these things like i always say about music why
55:01
Speaker 1: y'all still listening to rap and i mean that in
55:04
Speaker 1: the sense of these young people should have come up
55:06
Speaker 1: with something that blew rap off the board like there
55:09
Speaker 1: should have been a paradigmatic shift but instead everything just
55:12
Speaker 1: keeps drawing on what has already been here right it's
55:15
Speaker 1: the point has been made that having everything be so
55:17
Speaker 1: accessible just flattens all this stuff out in that regard
55:21
Speaker 1: but you're right man like The heat that we was
55:24
Speaker 1: wearing when I was in high school is still kicking
55:27
Speaker 1: the ass of what they putting out for y'all to
55:30
Speaker 1: wear right now.
55:32
Speaker 2: That's a terrible break for you youngsters.
55:33
Speaker 1: It really is. But you know what? If I was you,
55:36
Speaker 1: I would be trying to get like me, too.
55:39
Speaker 3: All right. Here's our next one. This is Cy.
55:42
Speaker 4: First time, long time calling in from Virginia. You kind
55:45
Speaker 4: of sparked my interest to call in when you were
55:48
Speaker 4: talking about Austin Rivers agent Reggie. So I am the
55:53
Speaker 4: offspring of a white Reggie. And as you can imagine,
55:58
Speaker 4: most of my mom's friends, when she told them she
56:02
Speaker 4: was dating a Reggie, just made the assumption that he
56:05
Speaker 4: was a black guy. On top of it, his middle name, yes,
56:10
Speaker 4: it is Avon. So it's Reggie, Reginald Avon. So he's
56:15
Speaker 4: got a lot working for him there. And then on
56:18
Speaker 4: top of that, my dad grew up. in the rural
56:23
Speaker 4: South around integration. And he was, uh, integrated into a
56:28
Speaker 4: school that was primarily, primarily black. So he was playing
56:31
Speaker 4: basketball and he was the only white guy on his team.
56:34
Speaker 3: And they would.
56:35
Speaker 4: Go into plenty of gyms where, you know, they're facing
56:39
Speaker 4: off against pretty much all white teams. And it always
56:42
Speaker 4: would crack me up kind of thinking, Oh, as they're
56:45
Speaker 4: doing the starting lineups, Oh, here comes Reginald off the,
56:49
Speaker 4: off the bench. Um, And yeah, so that was always
56:53
Speaker 4: a little bit amusing to think about too, that some
56:55
Speaker 4: of the head scratching that might have been going on there. Yeah,
56:59
Speaker 4: love the show. Thanks. Have a good one.
57:02
Speaker 1: I just need to know, and I appreciate that call greatly,
57:05
Speaker 1: more than you know. How do, like, what was the
57:08
Speaker 1: tipping point before white people was like, fine, y'all got it.
57:12
Speaker 1: Reginald is yours.
57:14
Speaker 5: Right.
57:14
Speaker 1: It's like, for example, the name Tyrone, Stephen Tyrone Colbert.
57:18
Speaker 1: Did you know that?
57:19
Speaker 3: I know that. But I mean, to be fair, I
57:21
Speaker 3: know that because of you.
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Speaker 1: Stephen Tyrone Colbert.
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Speaker 2: At what point? Because, you know, in Ireland, they got
57:28
Speaker 2: lots of Tyrones.
57:30
Speaker 1: At some point over here, they was just like when
57:33
Speaker 1: you loan somebody a shirt and they stretch it out.
57:37
Speaker 1: Y'all got it. Like I said, I had a lot
57:40
Speaker 1: on game theory once. I said basketball was like the
57:42
Speaker 1: name Tyrone. After a while, white folks just said, fine,
57:46
Speaker 1: y'all can have it. We don't even want it back
57:49
Speaker 1: no more. For a moment, I thought I got fooled.
57:51
Speaker 1: Somebody sent me something and said that Austin Reeves' agent
57:55
Speaker 1: Reggie was white Reggie.
57:57
Speaker 2: I almost fell for it. I looked it up.
57:58
Speaker 1: Nah, he's Reggie. He's just a regular old Reggie. Bernard,
58:04
Speaker 1: I feel like, is a name that at some point
58:07
Speaker 1: we got, like, sometime after Bernie Sanders. You know what
58:13
Speaker 1: I'm saying?
58:13
Speaker 3: But he's never Bernard.
58:15
Speaker 2: You're right. He is Bernie, right?
58:17
Speaker 1: That is an interesting thing, though.
58:19
Speaker 3: Brooklyn Dodgers fan, Bernie Sanders. Yeah.
58:22
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
58:24
Speaker 1: That says a lot about the silent generation's own.
58:30
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders. He's like boomers.
58:32
Speaker 1: I hate kids.
58:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had good shoes in my day. All right,
58:36
Speaker 3: here's our last one. Speaking of white Reggie.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Bo. This is Trav from Alcoa, Tennessee, just south
58:45
Speaker 5: of Knoxville. You know what I mean?
58:48
Speaker 4: Okay.
58:49
Speaker 5: I can confirm that there's three white Reggie in my
58:54
Speaker 5: area right now. I know there are few and far between,
58:57
Speaker 5: but I've not seen few, but there's three here. Now,
59:01
Speaker 5: one's a transplant from Mississippi. So the one I ain't found, though,
59:08
Speaker 5: that I've talked to with the homies is, vote, I
59:13
Speaker 5: know a gang of Washingtons, but they ain't a pale
59:16
Speaker 5: face among them. I've seen a million people play, Washington
59:20
Speaker 5: play sports, not a pale face among them. So if
59:23
Speaker 5: you ever find a white, one white dude with the
59:26
Speaker 5: last name Washington, let me know and I'll let you know.
59:29
Speaker 3: Have a good one, bro.
59:30
Speaker 1: Amen.
59:30
Speaker 5: I don't know you, but I love you, brother. Take
59:32
Speaker 5: it easy.
59:34
Speaker 2: I feel like I just talked to Bizarro Mike.
59:36
Speaker 3: Yes.
59:38
Speaker 1: To have a good one?
59:39
Speaker 2: It's like we're talking to Mike.
59:41
Speaker 1: I appreciate him calling. So I've heard people mention this,
59:44
Speaker 1: that all those Washington, Jefferson, like they became presidents and
59:48
Speaker 1: then suddenly there were no white people that had these names.
59:52
Speaker 3: Why Washington very famously didn't have any kids?
59:55
Speaker 2: I did not know that until you said it.
59:58
Speaker 3: No kids.
59:59
Speaker 2: Interesting.
1:00:00
Speaker 1: But he's right about that. All these stalwart white people names,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: they ain't none of them left.
1:00:04
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: But we out here.
1:00:06
Speaker 2: We out here.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: I love also that like word has drifted through the
1:00:11
Speaker 1: town of the presence of the white Reggie's.
1:00:14
Speaker 3: Including the transplant Reggie.
1:00:16
Speaker 1: Right, right. Like Bigfoot.
1:00:17
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:00:18
Speaker 1: Like, yo, I'll say just so you know, if you
1:00:21
Speaker 1: hear about, no, no, no, steal us.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: We're still good.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: Still, there has not been some sort of giant change.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: But yes, this was the white Reggie episode of this show.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: And I ain't going to lie. I appreciate it.
1:00:35
Speaker 3: Happy Martin Luther King day.
1:00:36
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
1:00:38
Speaker 1: We're bringing the world together. Hey, look, I'm just glad
1:00:40
Speaker 1: to be reminded that I still got that demo in
1:00:44
Speaker 1: the audience. You know what I'm saying? Like when I
1:00:45
Speaker 1: was in North Carolina, I heard from him all the time.
1:00:47
Speaker 1: We had to follow, you know, call. I don't hear
1:00:50
Speaker 1: from him as much these days, man. So shout out
1:00:52
Speaker 1: to all y'all for hollering at your boy. But ladies
1:00:53
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