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The Kenny Report | 7 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister accuses China of provocative behavior after the
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  Speaker 2: Communist super Powers missile test in the Pacific. The latest
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  Speaker 2: dire assessment of Australia's economy says first home buyers won't
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  Speaker 2: see any benefit from Labour's budget for decades just since
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  Speaker 2: the namer jimper Price will join me on that topic
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  Speaker 2: and others, and a damning verdict on three Coalition prime ministers.
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  Speaker 2: Paul Kelly's latest political history details how Tony Abbott, Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull and Scott Morrison squandered their chances.
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  Speaker 1: Paul Kelly will join me live.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump intervenes in the World Cup, but the Americans
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  Speaker 2: still lose.
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  Speaker 1: Christen Tate is.
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  Speaker 2: All over that, Tim Blair on Albo sleazy and Steven
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  Speaker 2: Sana Tiempo and Susio O'Brien on teenage girls being recruited
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  Speaker 2: into only fans.
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  Speaker 1: That and plenty more. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: There is precious little praise I can offer Anthony Albanesi, because,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, I believe he's failing the nation in
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  Speaker 2: many ways when it comes to our economy, our security,
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  Speaker 2: and our social cohesion. But I'll always be fair and
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  Speaker 2: what the Prime Minister is.
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  Speaker 1: Doing this week is welcome.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the Pacific, visiting important neighbors, strengthening defense and
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  Speaker 2: aid ties and increasing Australia's role in the region. Don't
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  Speaker 2: listen to those who criticize the money we spend in
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific. It's tiny in the overall scheme of government spending,
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  Speaker 2: and it's usually money well spent. Not only do we
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  Speaker 2: have a duty to look after our friends and former
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  Speaker 2: dependencies in the region, but it's very much in our
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  Speaker 2: security and economic interests for the Pacific nations to thrive
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  Speaker 2: and remain in our orbit, the orbit of liberal democracies,
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  Speaker 2: rather than fall to the overtures from China. On this
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  Speaker 2: trip after the Communist giants long range missile test, Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: has stood up to China.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to see any action that is destabilizing
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  Speaker 3: or which undermines the peace, security instability of the Pacific
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  Speaker 3: and the region. And there is no doubt that this
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  Speaker 3: is a provocative act by China.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was provocative. It needs to be called out.
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  Speaker 2: And while we'd always like the PM to be stronger,
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  Speaker 2: he was tougher on China than Foreign Minister Penny Wong
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  Speaker 2: was yesterday back home, though, it's the economy that's the
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  Speaker 2: biggest worry for the Albanese government and US.
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  Speaker 1: One of the nation's largest.
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  Speaker 2: Consulting firms, Deloitte, has downgraded its economic outlook.
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  Speaker 4: It's a pretty grim downgrade, true to You're right. So
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  Speaker 4: o updated forecasts have growth less than two percent in
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  Speaker 4: Australia over the next couple of years, including down to
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  Speaker 4: just one point one percent of the year to December
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  Speaker 4: this year. That's quite different from just six months ago.
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  Speaker 4: The difference being three RBA rating increases an ongoing cost
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  Speaker 4: of living challenge for households, so another spurt of inflation
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  Speaker 4: coursed by the Middle East crisis. So even though oil
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  Speaker 4: prices are now down, the whole real price level in
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  Speaker 4: Australia remains high. Households are struggling and businesses aren't investing,
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  Speaker 4: and so really across the board it's hard to see
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  Speaker 4: where growth is coming from.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, apart from economic growth at less than two percent,
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  Speaker 2: de Lloyte expects inflation to remain high, interest rates to
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  Speaker 2: go up at least one more time before the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year, and for unemployment.
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  Speaker 1: To increase for the next two years.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is what so many have warned about for
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  Speaker 2: so long, high immigration masking low productivity growth.
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  Speaker 4: Australia is quite exposed from a range of fronts. We
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  Speaker 4: have an economy that has been really been propped up
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  Speaker 4: by population growth, that hasn't been enough productivity growth, and
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  Speaker 4: that's coming home to reast now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Labor is too busy giving the unions what they
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  Speaker 2: want and forcing energy prices ever upwards instead of boosting
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  Speaker 2: productivity and encouraging investment. So per family, per person, we're
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  Speaker 2: going backwards.
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  Speaker 1: As for the.
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  Speaker 2: Government's additional taxes on housing investments, Deloitte can't see a
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  Speaker 2: benefit for first home buyers.
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  Speaker 4: I agree that this isn't going to be a positive
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  Speaker 4: for first home buyers immediately, but you know, a couple
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  Speaker 4: of decades down the track, house prices are going to
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  Speaker 4: be more affordable for people.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. That's a long wait, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Albow will be a distant memory before first home buyers
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  Speaker 2: notice any improvement. At a difficult economic time, Labour's budget
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  Speaker 2: of broken promises and tax grabs has only made things
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  Speaker 2: worse when it comes to the economic problems in this
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  Speaker 2: over governed country. You always have to look at the
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  Speaker 2: never ending expansion of government, the red tape and entitlements.
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  Speaker 2: We've made ourselves unproductive and unaffordable.
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  Speaker 1: Show you one little example.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever wondered how many soldiers it takes to
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  Speaker 2: change a light bulb?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Would the Defense Department selling off land now to make ends?
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  Speaker 1: Meet? One senator dared.
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  Speaker 5: To ask, if I'm a combat engineer on a base
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  Speaker 5: and a lightbulb goes, what do I do?
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  Speaker 6: You would log a job on Service Connect, which is
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  Speaker 6: an app that we have, or on the internet, the
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  Speaker 6: Defense Internet, and somebody would come out and change your
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  Speaker 6: light bulb for you.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody on base.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, they might not be permanently based on the base.
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  Speaker 6: They might service a range of other sites. But yes,
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  Speaker 6: somebody on base would come and change the lightloab.
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  Speaker 5: Why can't I change it myself? If I am a
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  Speaker 5: combat engineer, why can't I change.
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  Speaker 7: The light bulb myself?
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  Speaker 1: Why do I have to go through that process? Where
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  Speaker 1: would they buy the light bulb from?
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  Speaker 8: Where would they store the light bulb?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, forget about our national fuel storage or still ring
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  Speaker 2: your weapons and ammunition?
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  Speaker 1: Where we just store your light bulbs?
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, These are grown adults paid by you, defending our country.
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  Speaker 2: The Chinese military must be in awe. All this led
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  Speaker 2: to another obvious question, how.
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  Speaker 5: Much does it cost to change a light bulb? I
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  Speaker 5: couldn't tell you.
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  Speaker 6: We don't price, you know, individual activities down to that
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  Speaker 6: level of detail.
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  Speaker 2: Senator Collins tells us that when the cost of the
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  Speaker 2: private maintenance contracts are dissected, each defense light bulb replacement
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  Speaker 2: might cost as much as five hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Again, this is your money.
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  Speaker 2: People employed on your money, supposedly working for your interests,
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  Speaker 2: to defend you, and theoretically aiming not to waste your money.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Yes Minister episode in this one, isn't there
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  Speaker 2: what a sad face? Five hundred dollars to change a
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  Speaker 2: light bulb? I bet they're made in China too. There
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  Speaker 2: is one little glimmer of hope, though, with a court
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria pushing back just a little when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to overdoing the right to work from home. The court
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  Speaker 2: rejected a bid by a planning officer with a council
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  Speaker 2: the Masdon Rangers Shire, who wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Extend his work from home rights.
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  Speaker 2: As the Herald Sun reports, the ruling delivered by the
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  Speaker 2: Fair Work Commission established clearer boundaries on the limits of
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  Speaker 2: work from home as workers and bosses continue to battle
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  Speaker 2: furiously over flexible work arrangements. As it happens, the planning
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  Speaker 2: officer was only working in the office two days a
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  Speaker 2: week week, but he took his employer to court because
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  Speaker 2: he only wanted to be in the office.
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  Speaker 1: One day a week.
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  Speaker 2: The Herald Sun reports the council rejected his bid, arguing
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  Speaker 2: that his experience and seniority meant that his physical presence
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  Speaker 2: at the office was needed to mentor and guide more
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  Speaker 2: junior employees. Now, this is an important point that it
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  Speaker 2: goes much more widely across the economy. It's one of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons it's good to turn up to work in
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  Speaker 2: the office. The senior people share their experience, the juniors
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  Speaker 2: get to learn. All sorts of corporate knowledge, and all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of fills fields is shared, of course, intentionally and unintentionally.
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  Speaker 2: So companies and departments ought to be able to expect
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  Speaker 2: workers to turn up.
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  Speaker 1: You can't always do it all from home.
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  Speaker 2: Working together from the same place is good for productivity.
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  Speaker 1: It's good for the employers.
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  Speaker 2: And for cuss sstomers and it's good for individuals. Who knows,
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  Speaker 2: people might even strike up some friendships or something. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to mention something about a social media
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  Speaker 2: account under my name on what was Twitter now X.
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  Speaker 1: Of course this is the account here. It's not mine.
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  Speaker 1: I've got nothing to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: It uses real photos of me, and it mainly seems
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  Speaker 2: to repost material that I post on Instagram, so it's
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  Speaker 2: been pretty harmless so far.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't control it or authorize it, and I just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make that clear because surely, at some stage
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  Speaker 2: or whoever's doing this might do something that wrongly and
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  Speaker 2: unfairly backfires on me. I'm not shy about my opinions,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, but I just don't want anybody else
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  Speaker 2: pretending their opinions are mine. I've tried to get X
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  Speaker 2: to shut this fake account down, but they seem pretty sloppy.
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  Speaker 1: So just know that the account is.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to follow me on social media, try Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: where my account is Chris Kenny underscore Sky. That's Chris
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  Speaker 2: Kenny underscore Sky on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Let's now catch up.
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  Speaker 2: With the Shadow Minister for Small Business just Center Nabajimba
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  Speaker 2: Price who joins us from Darwin.
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  Speaker 1: Good to speak to you just center. I want to
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  Speaker 1: just start off.
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  Speaker 2: I know you've been in the Northern Territory focusing on
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  Speaker 2: housing today. I'll come back to that in a moment,
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  Speaker 2: but will you pleased to hear the Prime Minister deliberately
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  Speaker 2: calling out China for its pro provocative action in the
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  Speaker 2: South Pacific.
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  Speaker 9: Look, it's probably about time that our Prime minister has
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  Speaker 9: called out the CCP on their provocative conduct within the
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  Speaker 9: South Pacific. And this follows other events that we know
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  Speaker 9: that have taken place previously, circumnavigating our own country being
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  Speaker 9: one of those incidents. But we obviously support and want
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  Speaker 9: peace in the region. It demonstrates why our relationships with
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  Speaker 9: our neighbors in the Pacific is so important. And I'm
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  Speaker 9: pleased that finally the Prime Minister has called out this behavior.
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  Speaker 9: We just don't need this hanging over our heads or
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  Speaker 9: over the heads of our neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, he was so pathetic in those earlier instances.
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  Speaker 2: Even when the Chinese navy circumnavigated our country, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: call that provocative, which it obviously was. So someone's told
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  Speaker 2: him he needs to show a bit of spine. So
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  Speaker 2: that's good to see. Let's get back to the economy.
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  Speaker 2: That Deloitte report must have concerned you. It's basically formalizing,
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  Speaker 2: formalizing what a lot of commentators have been worried about.
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  Speaker 2: Economic commentators that our growth trajectory in this country is
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  Speaker 2: abysmal and things are going to get a lot tougher
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  Speaker 2: before they get better.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that's precisely right, and that's what we keep saying
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  Speaker 9: as this government needs to get its spending under control
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  Speaker 9: and it needs to stop taxing at every single opportunity
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  Speaker 9: that they get. It's why they need to start supporting
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  Speaker 9: small businesses. And you know, today we visited the Housing
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  Speaker 9: Industry Association, myself and Angus Taylor. We looked at you know,
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  Speaker 9: we heard from apprentices themselves, but we heard a lot
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  Speaker 9: of the concerns around housing, the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 9: apprentices have dropped nationally by seven percent across the country,
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  Speaker 9: and that this government is not about investing in small businesses,
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  Speaker 9: in apprentices and tradees effectively. And builders who are supposed
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  Speaker 9: to be building homes for Australians and they wonder why
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  Speaker 9: they're not reaching they're building targets when they're simply not
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  Speaker 9: doing that and creating a level of uncertainty for small
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  Speaker 9: business to make sure sure that they can invest back
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  Speaker 9: in their businesses, that they can employ apprentices, and that
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  Speaker 9: they can keep effectively keep the economy going and keep
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  Speaker 9: the economy going strong, and that we can keep investment
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  Speaker 9: going in our country. To do just that, they're failing
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  Speaker 9: on many fronts.
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  Speaker 1: This Delloyd assessment.
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  Speaker 2: These types of companies don't like to be directly critical
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  Speaker 2: of government. They always try and be very careful about that.
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  Speaker 1: But when you read.
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  Speaker 2: Between the lines, it's saying that the problem is a
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  Speaker 2: lack of investment, lack of productivity.
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  Speaker 1: Just at this.
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  Speaker 2: Time, we've got a government that is increasing taxes on
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  Speaker 2: investment and that is increasing government involvement in the economy.
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  Speaker 2: It's doing all the things it shouldn't be doing if
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  Speaker 2: it wants to free up this country, this economy and
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  Speaker 2: encourage investment.
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  Speaker 9: That's precisely right. I mean, it is investing in the
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  Speaker 9: public sector, but it's not investing in the private sector.
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  Speaker 9: And as I said, small businesses when they are looking
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  Speaker 9: at well, now we're going to have to restructure. Now,
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  Speaker 9: we're going to have to spend money on accountants and lawyers.
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  Speaker 9: They don't get the opportunity to then spend that money
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  Speaker 9: back into their businesses, to grow their businesses, to employ
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  Speaker 9: more people, to take on more apprentices and this level
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  Speaker 9: of uncertainty just scares people away, you know, you know
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  Speaker 9: they need they need certainty so that they can grow,
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  Speaker 9: so that they can continue to invest. I mean, when
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  Speaker 9: you've got small businesses talking about, well, you know, we're
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  Speaker 9: now looking at taking we're going to we're thinking of
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  Speaker 9: taking our business overseas to places like Singapore, to places
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  Speaker 9: like New Zealand and even the Middle East or the
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  Speaker 9: US where they know they're not being taxed to the hilt,
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  Speaker 9: where that if they do one day and when they
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  Speaker 9: do pass away, they're not going to be taxed once
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  Speaker 9: they've died, and that their children or their families can
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  Speaker 9: be secure in knowing that they can either continue on
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  Speaker 9: in the business that the family had started, all the
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  Speaker 9: investments that they need after the fact after they've lost
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  Speaker 9: their loved one, so they can continue to live and
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  Speaker 9: pay their.
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  Speaker 1: Bills if you like.
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  Speaker 9: It's just it's a disgraceful way in which this Albanese
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  Speaker 9: government is running this country, propping up the public sector
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  Speaker 9: and building that and making more Australians dependent on them
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  Speaker 9: and not giving a care in the world for the
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  Speaker 9: private sector.
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  Speaker 1: It is so idiotic.
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  Speaker 2: The country needs investment and it needs more housing, so
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  Speaker 2: they increase taxes on both those areas and expect the
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  Speaker 2: opposite result.
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  Speaker 1: It is bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: I just before I let you go, just Cindra, I
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  Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts on the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: his venture into podcasting and his comments the other day
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  Speaker 2: about Kylie Minogue.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I think it's utterly disgraceful that you have got
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  Speaker 9: the Prime Minister, the highest office in the country, sexually
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  Speaker 9: objectifying a very well known pop singer of our own
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  Speaker 9: But she's a woman, you know, she's a pop icon
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  Speaker 9: of our country and she's known globally. But she is
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  Speaker 9: also a woman that should not be objectified. And what
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  Speaker 9: kind of message does that send to women, to young
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  Speaker 9: girls in our own country that your own prime minister
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  Speaker 9: can discuss you in the most crass, misogynistic terms and
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  Speaker 9: expect to get away with that kind of behavior coming
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  Speaker 9: from you know, this Labor government, who have in the past,
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  Speaker 9: well you know, attacked obviously the Coalition for the slightest
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  Speaker 9: what they think are inferences, But in this case, he's
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  Speaker 9: just he's just become completely so arrogant, so blatant, so
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  Speaker 9: fully hubrious, to the point that he can make such crass.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's insulting to his.
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  Speaker 9: Not only to Kylie Minogue, but to his own wife,
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  Speaker 9: but to women right around this country that expect a
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  Speaker 9: hell of a lot better from the highest office in
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  Speaker 9: the country. And I think he needs to go get
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  Speaker 9: on the television like he did during the fuel crisis,
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  Speaker 9: so during prime time and apologize to all women and
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  Speaker 9: all girls are in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us live from Darwin.
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  Speaker 2: There just into now the jimper Price Shadow Minister for
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  Speaker 2: Small Business. So I want to continue on this topic
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  Speaker 2: about Albernizi's podcast Disaster with the Daily Telegraphs. Tim Blair
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  Speaker 2: joins us from Victoria. Good to talk to you again, Tim.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to show a bit of a follow
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  Speaker 2: up from this and just a refresher. Here's a critical
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  Speaker 2: part of a number of critical parts from that podcast
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  Speaker 2: is the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 10: Where at rapid fire questions.
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  Speaker 7: Now every guest gets asked these shag Mary date, Kylie minnow,
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  Speaker 7: Nicole Kidman or Ronda.
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  Speaker 1: Birch Moore, I've just got married, I'm only six months in.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if it goes kicks up, let's just pretend, Oh
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  Speaker 7: Kylie clearly in Mary Kylie and Jagger and Data.
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  Speaker 11: All of the above.
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  Speaker 1: All right, it's a triple She's terrific.
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  Speaker 7: All right, that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Tim, if you point out the hypocrisy and problems here,
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  Speaker 2: you're accused of being a kill joy.
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  Speaker 1: Can't you take a joke?
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  Speaker 11: That's true? And Nicky Osborne is a real talent. She's
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  Speaker 11: done some terrific work on YouTube and in mainstream media
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  Speaker 11: as well. However, the Prime Minister does have in his
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  Speaker 11: vocabulary with the word no. He can refuse invitations, he can,
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  Speaker 11: he can actually he can drop the whole cool albo
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  Speaker 11: act because quite aside from it being offensive in this instance,
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  Speaker 11: it's just horrible viewing. Like he's a man in his
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  Speaker 11: sixties and he's carrying on. But these sort of interviews,
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  Speaker 11: I mean, the djaying was hard enough to deal with
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  Speaker 11: because he's a crap DJ. He's just he's just a
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  Speaker 11: radio DJ sort of style thing. He's not adding any
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  Speaker 11: DJ stuff to the mix. That was bad enough. This
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  Speaker 11: takes it a step further into the territory where a
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  Speaker 11: person might gracefully decline to.
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  Speaker 1: Reply, Yeah, it's pretty easy to say no.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he says no to coming onto shows like this,
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  Speaker 2: so I could say no to doing a comedy podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But have her listened to?
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  Speaker 2: Ronda Birchmore, who was one of the other women named
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  Speaker 2: in that exchange.
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  Speaker 1: Here she is on Channel nine today.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: I was having my cup of tea and I nearly
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: spat it out. But when I went, oh my god,
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: and then he picked Kylie, and I figure, well, Nicole
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: and I are kind of round the same height. It
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: must be intimidated by.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Tall really explanation.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: And he could fit Kylie Minoga in his pockets. What
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: an incredible group of women to be part of.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I was kind of flattered. Yeah, he's intimidated by tall women.
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: Mate, exactly. Rodern Birchmore's fantastic. She's again like a Nicky Osborne's.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: She's a generational sort of ability when in terms of
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: multi generation she's been around since way back in the
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: old hey Hey Saturday days.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: So good on her for.
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: Cracking even a better joke.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Let's say, well, speaking of tool redheads or tull Ish redheads,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: let's go to the former Prime Minister Julia Gillard you've
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: written about her.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: We spoke about this issue on the programme earlier in.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: The week, how she's sort of disowning the fact that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: under her prime ministership they got rid of the definition
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: of man and woman from the Sex Discrimination Act.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Here's that the former Prime minister is disowning this stuff.
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: So it was a different time. It wasn't something squarely
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: before the Parliament at the time that the legislation was
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: being amended.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So I think we make an.
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: Error in uplifting what we know now and public discourse
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: now and just putting it down fourteen years ago.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: The whole sex thing was different fourteen years ago.
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it was a different time. Well, we'll get on
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: to the specifics of that remark in a second bit.
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: Really that long ago, it was a different afternoon. It
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: was a different mid morning when you sort of hear stuff.
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: Stop looking at the time things as a limit. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: the fascinating thing for me was that that phrase was
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: typically used and has always been used by men who
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: were caught out, you know, over stuff they said in
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: the seventies or the nineteen eighties, ninety nineties, when they
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: said terrible things that were judged later on to be
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: awful and sexist. And the excuse all the time is different, time, different,
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: time different. Now Julia Gillard is using it. She's become
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: a pale, stale mail. She's become what she despises.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Sad, verty, sad, very sad. Indeed, thanks for joining us.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Tim will catch up with you later in the week.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Tim Blair there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You can read his stuff on the Daily Telegraph website.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. On the other side,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you're going to catch up about this new book from
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Paul Kelly, his latest political history that covers almost a
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: decade with three coalition prime ministers.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Were they all failures?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: As you know, we're now only four years into the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: alban Easy Labor government and it came on the back
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of almost a decade of coalition government. The Abbot Turnbull
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Morrison era spanned three terms from twenty thirteen to twenty
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: twenty two, and it was pretty tumultuous. Australia's pre eminent
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: political commentator and historian, Paul Kelly, the editor at large
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: of The Australian, is about to release his latest installment
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: covering this period, The Twilight of Exceptionalism. I've been lucky
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: enough to get an early copy and fortunately for you,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I'm joined in the studio by Paul Kelly. Paul, thanks
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us. First up, congratulations on the book.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: It's masterful as ever and I love this title, the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Twilight of Exceptionalism, because Australia was going great guns under
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the Hawk, Keating Howard Costello governments and we've squandered that right.
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: Chris, thanks so much for having me on. Yes, the
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: theme of the book is that we will want an
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: exceptional country. We were leading the world in terms of
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: economic and social indicators. This was the period under Hawk
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: and Keating, Howard and Costello, a generation of stellar success
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: and we made a lot of progress and the public
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: was pretty satisfied. The public was moving forward. There was
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: a sense of momentum in the country. What I'm now
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: arguing in the course of this past decade twenty thirteen
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: to twenty two under Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison,
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: there were achievements, there's no question about that. But we
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: were in a period of disappointment. We were underperforming, we
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: weren't living up to our potential. We should have done better,
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: we didn't do better. And in that sense, what I've
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: argued is it's the twilight of exceptionalism. We need to
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: be very careful because if we don't reverse this, then
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: we're going to be heading into decline.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'll get your thoughts on the future in a moment,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: but let's go back a bit, because you cover so
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: much of this journey as ever with your writing, we
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: get a great helicopter view, a big picture of you,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and also all the minute detail as things unfold. Let's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: start with the first Prime Minister of this troika, Tony Abbott.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And here's what he said on the night of his
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: election victory. A government that a government that says what
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it means and means what it says. Yeah, that's what
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: he said. I remember being there in that room that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: night and.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Thought that's important. We can't have broken promises anymore. But
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: he broke promises and destroyed trust, especially in that first budget.
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: Well he did break promises. I mean, I was there
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: that night. There was a great sense of euphoria. But
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: I think one of the mistakes was that Australia had changed.
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: Australia wasn't the same country it was under John Howard,
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: and I think there was a tendency after Tony Abbitt
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: one in twenty thirteen to think this would be, to
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: a certain extent a repeat of John Howard. Abbot knew
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: that he wasn't simply going to be another duplication of Howard,
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: but there was a feeling of continuity. There was a
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: feeling that just as Howard had been a very successful
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: prime minister, so there would be another very successful Liberal era.
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: That wasn't the case. And one of the reasons it
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: wasn't the case was because Tony Abbott, at the end
• 25:17
  Speaker 12: of the day lost the confidence of the party room.
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: This was extraordinary. He had a big parliamentary majority and
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: yet two years down the track he was deposed by
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: his own party room and that meant from that point
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: on the party was divided. And so Malcolm Turnbull came in.
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: He delivered by winning the election campaign. That's why he
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: was made leader. But the twenty sixteen election result was
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: incredibly disappointing and what that meant was the Turnabule was
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: in a much weaker position as prime minister.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: He lost fourteen seats and clung on to government by
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: a solitary seat. I want to talk about that Turnbull
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: deposing of Tony Abbott because many were argue, that's the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: moment when the coalition lost its way. Here's Malcolm Turnbull
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: declaring that he would challenge the sitting Prime Minister Tony Abbot.
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: The one thing that is clear about our current situation
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: is the trajectory.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: We have lost thirty news polls in a row.
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: It is clear that the people have made up their
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: mind about mister Abbot's leadership.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So he based it overtly on the poles. I remember
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: saying to him at the time, you want to be
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: careful here. He could never imagine that he would lose
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: thirty news poles. He did in the end, but a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: lot of the new MPs who voted for Malcolm Turnbule
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: had not experienced him as leader when he was opposition leader,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and I put up my hand.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I worked for him for a while.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Then was this the moment when the coalition lost its
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: common purpose, its conviction?
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: I think this was a turning port, There's no doubt
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: about that. But there are two points to make about this.
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: The first is that Tony Abbitt had lost the confidence
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: of the party. So there's no doubt that Tony Abbott
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: ultimately is responsible for the fact that he was deposed.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Can I just jump in there.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: What were his major mistakes in losing the confidence of
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the party.
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: I think his major mistakes were that he was a warrior,
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: but he wasn't persuasive. Tony Abbott was a real warrior.
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: He saw himself as a politician acting with a sense
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: of bravado and belief and courage. The problem was you
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: couldn't persuade the people and we saw the polls fall down.
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: So that's the first point to make. The second point
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: to make is a Turnbull came in. This was not
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: a contest about policy, It was not a contest about
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: the direction of the government. Was all about one thing,
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: staying in office. That's what it was about. That's what
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: the challenge was about. Turnbull was saying, I'll save you,
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: I'll make certainly win the next election. But the point
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: about these changes a prime minister, from Abbott to Turnbull
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: to Morrison, what they did was they undermined the community's
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: sense of what was the Liberal Party. You can't change
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: a prime minister three times over three terms. But that's
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: what happened, and the sense was left as far as
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: the public were concerned that they weren't certain of what
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: was core Liberal party.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Belief.
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: What were the principles that kept the Liberal Party united
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: all through this term? And it wasn't clear either to
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: the public or to the party itself what those core
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: convictions were. That was the core problem when Scott Morrison
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: lost in twenty twenty two.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might remain that way today. We'll get back
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to that in a moment.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But I think one of the really acute observations you
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: make in this book is that politics has changed a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: lot and a lot of people focus on the digital
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: media and how it's accelerated politics, but you note that
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: morality public morality has changed as well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It's a different world now.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: We've seen character assassination as a political weapon from Labor
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: against coalition leader's none more so than Scott Morrison and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the way sexism was whaped against him. He's Scott Morrison
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: apologizing to Brittney Higgins.
• 29:05
  Speaker 13: I am sorry, We are sorry. I'm sorry to miss
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: Higgins for the terrible things that took place here and
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: the place that should have been a place of safety
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: and contribution turned out to be a nightmare.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: This is a watershed case, the Brittney Higgins affair and
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the way it was weaponized against Scott Morrison wrongly erroneously
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: accusing him of a cover up in the light.
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: Look, the point to make about Scott Morrison is that
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: he was a Conservative. His guiding stars were family, faith
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: and country. But the point to make was that Morrison
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: was operating in a different mode of politics where feelings,
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: an emotion and the rights of women came into play
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: in a really big way. And while he was an
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: experienced and competent politician, he wasn't good at a motive politics.
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: He wasn't good at feeling politics. He was caught out
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: now what happened with Britney Higgins, And of course the
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: Federal court judgment by Mike Lee found that she had
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: been raped, But that judgment also highlighted the other key point.
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: And when Britney Higgins revealed the rape a couple of
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: years later, she tied that to a campaign against the
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: Morrison government, working with the Labor Party, saying that Morrison
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: and Linda Reynolds had engaged in a cover up. There
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: was a cover up, there was a conspiracy against it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: Judge Lee found that was wrong, that was a false claim.
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: So the really interesting point to make about all this,
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: the tragic point for Scott Morrison is while he was
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: inept in handling the issue and the emotions of the issue,
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: he was set up by false claims being made by
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: Britney Higgins and Labor.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: There's a huge role, and I think a disgraceful role
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: for the media in that a lot of the media.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: We haven't got time to go into that now because
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I want to throw forward at least for a moment.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: You've got some incredible insights here from powerful figures, not
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: least of which is John Howard.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: He's been very forthright in his assessments of.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Both of these successes.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: To his mantle as coalition Prime Minister.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Now, of course Angus Taylor is, along with Matt Canavan,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: is dealing with the threat of one nation. What is
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the secret for the coalition, the Liberal Party in particular,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to see off this challenge from Pauline Hanson.
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: Two things they've got to do above all, Okay, they've
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: got to roll out new policies. They've got to roll
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: out conviction policies so the Australian public understand what the
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: Liberal Party and what the Coalition stands for. Now they've
• 31:52
  Speaker 12: started to do that, they need to do a lot
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: more of that, and they need to have bold policies,
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: policies which distinguish clearly what they stand for. So the
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: electric knows that that's the first and most important thing.
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: The second thing is they've got to repair the party's organization.
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: They've got to repair the grassroots of the party. They've
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: got to go to the membership, and they've got to
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: strengthen the organization so they are capable of winning elections again.
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: But above all, the thing they've got to do this
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: is the absolute key. They've got to get the Liberal
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: Party primary vote and the Coalition primary vote ahead of
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: the one nation primary vote. That is the absolute key.
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: While ever their vote is behind one nation, they are doomed.
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: They've got to get the vote ahead of one nation.
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: So when one nation candidates go out, the preferences from
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: one nation go to the Liberals and the Coalition. Everything
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: depends upon that, and that is a very hard ask
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: because the current Liberal Party primary vote is significantly.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Below one nation.
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: But that is the test of successful failure.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: It is such a challenging time at an historic time
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in federal politics.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Paul.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Congratulations on the book The Twilight of Exceptionalism.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I couldn't recommend it highly enough.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Of course, I've read all of Paul Kelly's books, as
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: anybody interested in Australian politics will have done. But you
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: get that helicopter view, the big picture not just of
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: policy and events, but also put into the historical context
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: of this country. But of course all the nittytail, nitty
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: gritty detail of who said, what about who and when.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Just fantastic stuff and what a time to be reading
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: that as the coalition faces this exextential crisis at the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: moment with one nation, we've got to take a break.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to talk about Donald Trump.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: He's intervened in the World Cup, would you believe, But
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: the Americans lost.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Anyway, We'll catch up with Kristen Tate.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Across to Christen Tate in the US in a moment
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: where the United States, one of the host nations, of course,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: has been bundled out of the World Cup by Belgium.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It comes after an extraordinary intervention by the US President
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: with the US following blogan. He was issued a red
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: card for his challenge against Bosnia Hertznegevna, and that meant
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: he automatically missed the next game of course, but unbelievably,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: FIFA put that penalty on hold after Donald Trump objected.
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: All I did, all I did. I asked for a
• 34:30
  Speaker 14: review because I didn't think it was a foul. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 14: you know, again, I'm good at this stuff. I didn't
• 34:35
  Speaker 14: think it was a foul. I thought it was two
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: great athletes to crash into each other and got entangled.
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: That was not a That was not a guy punching
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: somebody in the face or anything that you know would
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: be different. And I think it's I think it's a terrible.
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: If they wouldn't allow you know, a top player, maybe
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: the best, maybe among the best players on the team
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: to play, I think it would have had a big stain.
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: And I related just that fhil. I didn't tell him
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: what to do. I can't tell him what to do.
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: But and I don't believe he made the decision. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: think it was a committee that made the decision, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: they made the right decision because number one, it wasn't
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: a foul.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just well, as I said to Kristen,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: there seems to be no limits to President Trump's fields
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: of expertise, nor the extent of his executive pals.
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: This is why we love Donald Trump here in the
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: United States. This was awesome.
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: Even those of us who don't follow this sport closely,
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: all of a sudden he started following it because Trump
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: got involved.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: And was just relentless.
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: But you know, at the end of the day, despite
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: the reversal, we were still eliminated by Belgium. So guess
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: we're losers anyway.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you can join Australia when it comes to that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: score in the World Cup. Donald Trump seems to know
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: about as much about soccer as I do. None of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the free kicks look like Fredy kicks to me. But
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: it was an extraordinary But as you say, it didn't
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: pay off for the Americans.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: This star got to play, but the Belgians beat them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of that. Why not Belgium.
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: Belgian celebrations phil the Seattle as the Red Devils roar
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: into the quarterfinals. The round of sixteen is where all
• 36:21
  Speaker 16: three co hosts leave the World Cup party. The American
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: dream fizzles out, despite pockets of promise.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: On the day and plenty to admire during.
• 36:30
  Speaker 16: Their journey, but today they were out fought, outplayed, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 16: they are out.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the host nation America out but Christian, I want
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to get your sense of what the World Cup's been
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: like in America. It's been a big success globally. Great stadiums,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: great crowds, great football. Have Americans taken to it in
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a big way.
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: You know, especially when Trump makes comments like this, people
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: who don't normally follow soccer are suddenly following it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: It's also a chance to be patriotic. It coincides with
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: people who.
• 37:02
  Speaker 15: Are celebrating, you know, the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: of America.
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: So yes, relative to Americans usual not great.
• 37:11
  Speaker 15: Interest in soccer, I would say they're pretty interested in
• 37:14
  Speaker 15: this particular event, and people are talking about it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to something a lot more serious and harrowing,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and the murder trial over the murder of the assassination
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk has begun and quite harrwing. Pictures of
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: his widow, Erica, are actually leaving the hearings as there
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: was video footage shown of that shocking assassination.
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: Yes, it was an emotional day for not just his widow,
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: Erica Kirk, but for the country to remember such a
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: tragic event that really shattered.
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: The ethos of this country. Last year.
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: You know, just recounting that moment and what it meant
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: for our country and the despicable way that in the
• 38:00
  Speaker 15: media and on the left reacted to it. It's just
• 38:03
  Speaker 15: you know, bringing a lot of emotions back.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: So brightly for those of us early.
• 38:09
  Speaker 15: Yes, it was absolutely openly, openly and without any shame
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: and without any shame, and it really exposed the nasty
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: left and how they view humanity.
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: These people who love to talk about coming together and
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: being peaceful in all of this, it really exposed how
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: partisan these people are and the fact that they will
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: actually celebrate murder if the person who is murdered happens
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: to have different political views.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It's disgusting.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, disgusting and deeply, deeply worrying. Well, allow that court
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: case to continue on and hope that justice is done.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I want to get to another policy issue where President
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is talking about emulating in Australia. In Australia,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: we have compulsory superannuation. It's been in place for about
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: forty to fifty years.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: A liberal leftist government brought it in. But ten percent
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: or so of our salary is.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Compulsorily put into retirement savings. And here's the president, he
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: thinks he might follow suit.
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: And I made reference today that Australia has a thing
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: going that's very good. It's really worked out very well.
• 39:18
  Speaker 14: We have good respect for Australia and that has to
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: do with people that are working people, and it's something
• 39:23
  Speaker 14: that also puts them in much better shape when they're
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: retirement age.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: So we're going to do that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: We're looking at that very strongly.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there you go.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: This is not as straightforward as it seems. For instance,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: in Australia, people struggle. Young people struggle to save a
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: deposit to get into the housing market because ten percent
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of their incomes go into super.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: This scheme massively boosts the power.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Of the unions and so far, at least, it hasn't
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: really seen government save a lot of money when it
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: comes to age pensions and the like.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Kristen, Yeah, you.
• 39:55
  Speaker 15: Know, I like some version of this. I think you
• 39:59
  Speaker 15: guys are on to something, although clearly your implementation of
• 40:02
  Speaker 15: it isn't working. I will say social security here in
• 40:06
  Speaker 15: this country it's a complete failure. It's basically a Ponzi scheme.
• 40:10
  Speaker 15: My generation isn't going to see a dime from Social Security.
• 40:14
  Speaker 15: It will be broke, so something needs to change. And
• 40:16
  Speaker 15: I do like the idea of gradually shifting payroll taxes
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: into you know, like private retirement accounts.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: That having been said Chris to you know, your concerns
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: are correct.
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: This kind of government mandate can obviously increase labor costs,
• 40:32
  Speaker 15: take home pay, It can burden small businesses. So those
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: are real concerns.
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: But I do think Trump is right to start kind
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: of thinking outside the box and looking.
• 40:42
  Speaker 15: At other countries and the way they are doing things,
• 40:45
  Speaker 15: because social security is failing and it needs to change.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very important area. Just tread carefully would
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: be my advice. Thanks for joining us, Christ to appreciate it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Chris Christ and tight there in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the US. We'll take a break.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: On the other side, Stephen Sene Tempo and Susio O'Brien
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: joined me for a panel discussion, including on teenage girls
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: being recruited into only fans. Let's go to our Tuesday
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: panel with Radio two Double See Breakfast host in Canberra,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Stephen Senna Tempo and Susio O'Brien who's the News Corp
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: National Education editor and SUSI, I want to start with
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: your brilliant reporting over the past couple of days in
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the News Corp tabloids on Only Fans. Now we know
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: what these Only Fans sites are sort of subscription pornography
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of effectively, and you've been unveiling how teenage girls are
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: being actually recruited into this opportunity.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I suppose is this lifestyle this work? Tell us about
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: what you've uncovered and what your concerns are about it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's what's called the Fresh eighteen pipeline. And so
• 41:59
  Speaker 17: what's happening is unscrupulous underground OnlyFans recruiters are approaching young
• 42:05
  Speaker 17: women on social media, young girls fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, They say, hey,
• 42:10
  Speaker 17: I really like your look. How about thinking about only Fans?
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: And so the minute they turn eighteen, they already had
• 42:17
  Speaker 17: this curated body of pornographic images ready to go. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 17: we know this is happening because I was talking to
• 42:27
  Speaker 17: Victoria Sinnis, who was a former OnlyFans recruiter who's now
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: blowing the whistle on the industry. It's really concerning because
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: there are one hundred and forty thousand content creators. This
• 42:39
  Speaker 17: is what the Only Fans models are called in Australia
• 42:42
  Speaker 17: and a quarter of them between the ages of eighteen
• 42:46
  Speaker 17: and twenty five. So this is extraordinary a pipeline that
• 42:49
  Speaker 17: seems to be working.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, such an important story. Most people would have been
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: unaware of this. You can't do this until you're eighteen.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: But as you're saying, people being recruiting young girls before
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: eighteen and therefore getting them.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Ready for this line of work as soon as they
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: have that birthday.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Let's go Apart from the great story you've reported in
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the paper, you've also had some video content.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit from Susie Online.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: I spoke to.
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: Chloe Mirror, one of the stars of the stand program
• 43:20
  Speaker 17: turned on Dirty Sexy Money.
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: About this.
• 43:23
  Speaker 18: It's not a decision that I would encourage anybody to
• 43:28
  Speaker 18: take lightly, and especially not a decision that I would
• 43:31
  Speaker 18: want anybody, particularly.
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: Done to go into.
• 43:35
  Speaker 18: You know, this is a little bit of a controversial belief,
• 43:38
  Speaker 18: but I'm of the belief that the industry should not
• 43:43
  Speaker 18: have people enter below the age of maybe twenty one.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an interesting suggestion there, Steven to actually increase
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the age to twenty one.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I suppose no legislator is going to go near that,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: because we'll figure at eighteen now you're an adult and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: you can do what you're like.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but how's all that age verification stuff going at
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the moment. Look, there's so much to unpack here.
• 44:06
  Speaker 19: I mean, the sexualization of young women from a young age,
• 44:10
  Speaker 19: the fact that we have a generation now that feels
• 44:12
  Speaker 19: there's no point actually getting a real job because you
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: can make millions of dollars being a content creator online,
• 44:18
  Speaker 19: whether it beyond only fans or somewhere else. The fact
• 44:22
  Speaker 19: that there's a generation of men now that are getting
• 44:25
  Speaker 19: their gratification from some sort of subscription service, the mental
• 44:29
  Speaker 19: health impacts on both sides of that equation. This is
• 44:32
  Speaker 19: just a really, really dangerous place we're going, but it
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: seems to be where society is heading. Nobody builds anything anymore,
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: nobody actually creates anything real anymore. We live in this
• 44:44
  Speaker 19: virtual world that is setting us down a rabbit hole
• 44:47
  Speaker 19: that I don't think we can come back from.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: It's such a worry.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: That's why it's such important reporting to Susie because so
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: many parents wouldn't have been aware of this, and it draws.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Their attention to it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Not to mention all the legislators and the likes, so
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that you can see that stuff not only in the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Herald some but of course in the other news court papers,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the websites.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Around the country.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I want to go to something else in your neck
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: of the woods, Susie, because late this afternoon Moira and
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Deeming posted a video online.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of what she had to say.
• 45:14
  Speaker 20: There are things that are going on at the moment
• 45:17
  Speaker 20: that I can't really speak about because it's all being
• 45:21
  Speaker 20: mediated behind the scenes where it should be mediated. We
• 45:24
  Speaker 20: have never ever been so close to being able to
• 45:26
  Speaker 20: get rid of labor anyway. Thank you for listening.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Hmm, that's all being mediated behind the scenes. But I'm
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: out of here, just letting you know I'm still around.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Is she going to get pumped from the Liberal Party or.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Not, Susie.
• 45:41
  Speaker 17: I don't think for a minute that she can stay.
• 45:44
  Speaker 17: There's no way, and the forces are moving against her rapidly,
• 45:48
  Speaker 17: and even those who were once supporting her I have
• 45:51
  Speaker 17: now turned against her. I think it's just a matter
• 45:54
  Speaker 17: of time.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: And interestingly, where is she going to go?
• 45:57
  Speaker 17: Because of course some Pauline Hanson came out and said,
• 46:00
  Speaker 17: well wit, I want you either, So yeah, it's going
• 46:03
  Speaker 17: to be interesting. Has she got enough of a mandate
• 46:05
  Speaker 17: to run as an independent.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that is the interesting thing, and I suppose
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the gratifying thing at least Stephen if there's an election
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: coming up in November, because I hate it when people
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: become independents, you know, away from the platform that got
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: them elected, and they stick around for a while.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: So she'll need to try and get elected again in November.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're friends, like Murra, who knows enemies, you know.
• 46:28
  Speaker 19: I've never bought into this existential crisis stuff that people
• 46:32
  Speaker 19: keep talking about with the Liberal Party. And I declare,
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: now that I was a member for thirty five years,
• 46:36
  Speaker 19: I'm now going to say the Liberal Party is a
• 46:38
  Speaker 19: spent force right across the country. I mean, have you
• 46:42
  Speaker 19: ever seen an organization that goes out of its way
• 46:44
  Speaker 19: to try to noble itself when it might be staring
• 46:47
  Speaker 19: down the barrel of victory. It's almost like the Liberal
• 46:49
  Speaker 19: Party doesn't want to win elections anymore. Now, Moura Deeming
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: should never been elected in the first place. Whose ever
• 46:55
  Speaker 19: idea it was. The pre selector needs to take a long,
• 46:58
  Speaker 19: hard look at themselves, and she's just been a thorn
• 47:00
  Speaker 19: in their side from.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: The very beginning.
• 47:01
  Speaker 19: You know, and maybe she was set up with all
• 47:04
  Speaker 19: that neo Nazi stuff and maybe she was treated badly
• 47:07
  Speaker 19: by John Berzuto. Yes she was, But goodness me, I mean,
• 47:10
  Speaker 19: you know, they need the Liberal Party more broadly, needs
• 47:13
  Speaker 19: to start selecting candidates of quality rather than the kind
• 47:16
  Speaker 19: of rubbish they've got at the moment.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fairpoint. This is such a mess on the cusp
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of an election.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of heavyweights supported Mura of Deeming, and I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: thought they were doing the right.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Thing over that defamation case and the like.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Well, she hasn't exactly repaid their faith very well this
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: time around. Let me get to each of you to
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: give me a short hit on a particular issue. Susie,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I'd love to get.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Your thoughts on ol Bou and the Sleazy podcast.
• 47:46
  Speaker 17: I honestly could not believe that he would be so
• 47:48
  Speaker 17: stupid as to appear on a podcast like that. Not
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: only was there all those comments about Kylie and other
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: women demeaning and just sort of out of taste, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: all that stuff, when you look at the full clip,
• 48:02
  Speaker 17: it's all about jokes about melons and two fingers full
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: of whiskey.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: He's the Prime minister.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He was crying out loud.
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: It's it's awful.
• 48:14
  Speaker 17: I am embarrassed. I mean, I'm probably more likely than
• 48:16
  Speaker 17: anyone else on this program or watching this program to
• 48:20
  Speaker 17: support him, And I actually found it so cringey and
• 48:24
  Speaker 17: so embarrassing and embarrassing for women in the Labor Party
• 48:29
  Speaker 17: who should be speaking.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Up about it. They're not. They're all quiet.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: They're all pretending they didn't know about it, they haven't
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: seen it. And Steven, I wanted to get your thoughts
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: as our resident football expert, what about the whole red
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: card and President trump intervention for the US team? Thank
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: God they lost because of that beaten Belgium. The whole
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: thing would have looked like a setup.
• 48:53
  Speaker 19: It look As a football fan, I'm not buying into
• 48:56
  Speaker 19: the Trump side of this because FIFA. FIFA is the
• 48:58
  Speaker 19: most corrupt organization in the world. Trump doesn't need to
• 49:01
  Speaker 19: get involved in this. And it's not the first time
• 49:04
  Speaker 19: they've done this where they've overturned a red card because
• 49:06
  Speaker 19: a star player was going to be missing from an
• 49:09
  Speaker 19: important part of the game. But it does look absolutely
• 49:12
  Speaker 19: comical that the president of the United States can pick
• 49:14
  Speaker 19: up the phone to Johnny Infantina and say, hey, listen
• 49:18
  Speaker 19: I've never watched the game.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Of football before in my life. But that wasn't a
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: red card. It was a red card.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: It's the biggest scandal since Trent Kotchin was allowed to
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: play the two thousand and seven A Ground Final.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: But three text A few viewers get that reference.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Susie and Steven will catch you
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: We just got a little bit of time to share
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: some of your thoughts on the Elbow podcast.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: One viewer says he has no respect for his wife
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: or the position of prime minister. We have a beautiful
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: country and this man acts like some loudmouth smart alec
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: in the pub. Please show some dignity and humility. One
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: more Warren says a real leader would have said this
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: interview is over. Yeah, there's no need for a prime
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: minister to talk about this sort of nonsense. Thanks for watching.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow night at five o'clock. Up next
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to is Jamie Rodgers filling in for Peter Credlin.