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Why is NO ONE Talking About This? — Dr. Tom Cowan Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So we can see that they're pushing for the next variant, the next disease, the next virus that they're going to protect us from. And you can see so clearly that these viruses, this fear of getting sick, this fear of getting our grandmother sick, this fear of getting our children sick, this has become such an amazing tool for them to control us. And the more we give into that system and the more we dedicate our thinking to worrying about the next virus that we can't see, the more our immune systems weakens because of the fear and the more control they ultimately have.
• 2:14
  And so joining us today is someone I've had on before, which we had a brilliant conversation, and that's Doctor. Tom Cowan. And he's someone out there that perhaps you've heard about the whole idea of germ versus terrain theory, which is the idea that basically that germs and viruses as they want us to believe don't exist. It's actually our environment, terrain that's causing the sicknesses and the imbalances with us. And what's interesting as you'll see us talking about is that, you know, one side of that, the idea that there's these magical invisible viruses, that in a lot of ways makes us turn to the people in the white lab coats that say, please, Doctor.
• 2:52
  Fauci, save me from the scary virus. But with the whole idea of terrain, it's this idea that we have a lot more control over what's happening inside of our bodies than they want us to believe. And honestly right now I'm looking for any kind of conversation that helps reinforce that thinking that we have a lot more control than they want us to believe. So folks, I hope you enjoy this interview with Doctor. Tom Cowan.
• 3:19
  Tom, it's great to have you back on the show, thank you so much for being here with us today.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: That's good, thanks for having me Seth, it's always a pleasure. Absolutely. You were a fun guy to talk to last time.
• 3:30
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, well it's funny because I feel like our conversation last time, I had a lot of people that responded and said, Yes, finally, you're talking about this, but also ruffled some feathers because, you know, what you talk about is controversial even within the people that are very, I'd say, wide awake to the corruption of big pharma and, you know, the corruption of the Rockefeller medical system, but there's still there's still some differences. So, pardon me. So how about let's just kind of just start a conversation with just rehashing and walking through just the fundamentals of what you talk about with regards to viruses. Because I think it's like right now it's, I guess I'll say a little more here is that we're living in an era where, you know, we went from, you know, all the different enemies that we had to fear, we eventually got the terrorism, they realized, okay, great. Terrorism is a wonderful enemy because it could be anywhere all at once.
• 4:28
  And so the government or the the powers that be that want to completely take away our rights, they've found that if they can make people scared of something, people will give up a little bit of their rights at a time, in in trade for being protected from the thing that they're scared of. And so it used to be say it was, you know, we're scared of the Soviets, you know, for good reason. Right now it was the terrorists, which, know, were there weapons of mass destruction? No, we know that a lot of that was made up just to bring in the Patriot Act and all this kind of stuff. But now we're entering into the time where the enemy is truly invisible, right?
• 5:02
  And it's this magical virus that only the PCR can detect and even if you don't have the symptoms, you're you know, you still are potentially sick, you're a carrier, and it set everyone into this fearful death spiral that had people lining up to get their first vaccine and their second, third and fourth booster ignoring all the evidence of anything but what they were being told. And so this entire modern system, especially the system of control is built on the idea that there's these viruses that they have to protect us from. And so like like your ideas and what you've brought forth, it fundamentally destroys the foundation of the entire modern control system that they're using.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: I would say the only thing I would actually respond to what you said is, and you said it better than a lot of people say it. Some people say the theory that I'm espousing, because I'm not espousing a theory, and I don't even think I'm espousing an idea. What I'm doing is looking at a claim. And that's a very important distinction for me, you know, and I actually went through that. If somebody says elephants cause rain, you don't have to know why there's rain to know whether that claim or investigate that claim is true.
• 6:28
  So what I'm doing, what a number of us are doing, are investigating the claim that A, there is such a thing as contagion, There is such a thing as a virus, which is a certain definition. It's a particle that replicates as, you know, DNA or RNA and causes disease. And that that's what is the cause of disease. And what I'm saying is that claim is easily proven to be false, all those claims. And let me go through maybe then for people who are not sure, let me go through the five pillars of virology really quickly.
• 7:16
  The first pillar is sick people make well people sick, which we've all had a certain experience of, right? Our friend is sick and then we get sick in the same way. Our children get, you know, a rash when they go to a party, those sort of things. The problem is when it's actually been shown to be very difficult to prove that that's what happened. The sick person made the well person sick.
• 7:48
  That's what it seems. But you take a case like scurvy where, you know, sailors got sick on ships one after another and they thought it was contagious because it seemed like that. And it turns out it wasn't. And, you know, with chickenpox, for instance, we know that arsenic outgassing causes the same symptoms. So people used to paint their wallpaper with Paris green, which is arsenic based stuff, it would outgas and then you'd go over to that person's house and you'd get a rash and you think you caught something from somebody else.
• 8:26
  Seth Holehouse: Now that
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't prove that it's not.
• 8:28
  Seth Holehouse: I'll give a quick example just of something that we're seeing in our own lives. So we've got a two and a half year old daughter that, you know, she's building her immune system so she consistently has the sniffles or something, you know, pops up or she'll have a fever here and there. But what's interesting is that my wife who's very sensitive to air quality and my daughter is as well, what we'll notice is there might be two or three days of very, very heavy chemtrailing in our area. And I'm talking like nonstop, it goes from being a blue sky to a like gray haze and almost almost on the dot after two or three days of that, both my daughter will wake up, she'll be sniffling through the night, she'll wake up with a cough, she'll wake up with the effects of that. Our nanny will come and stay with us during that time, she'll go from being perfect to having itchy eyes and also having the same congestion and then my wife will have it, right?
• 9:22
  Now, it'd be really easy to say, Oh, well, you know, at playgroup, the little one probably caught a cold, she brought it home, and now everyone else is sick. But instead, actually, if you look at it, it's the same thing as the arsenic causing chickenpox. It's like, Well, is my wife sick because she caught it from my daughter? Is Anea sick because she got off the daughter, or is it because something in the environment made all of them sick? So is that, is that kind of a more kind of contemporary example of By
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: the way, I would quibble with the word building her immune system because we don't actually have an immune system. They made that up to think you had viruses. But here's my point, Seth. When you have a situation like that where there's nothing that you as an individual can sort out to figure out which one it is, right? How do you know it's the chemtrails or the virus or this contagion?
• 10:15
  And so in a situation like that, you have to do science, which means you have to do an experiment. It has to have a dependent variable, which is an effect like getting sick, like stuffy nose. And then it has to have something that you change, which is the independent variable. So this has been done for the last one hundred and fifty years since people thought there was contagion, which is put well people in together with sick people or well animals with sick animals. And we have looked for all these studies that we can find.
• 10:55
  Every single one of them says there is no contagion. And we have asked the, quote, germ theory people or people who don't believe me, show us a study where you take the only thing you change is the exposure to sick people and show that that's why an animal or a person got sick. And I can tell you there is no study. Which means it's a disproven hypothesis. It doesn't work like that.
• 11:26
  Even with syphilis, even with herpes, even with mono, even with AIDS, even with the Spanish flu, we have studies, every one of those, you know, get a hundred people with AIDS and they have sex with people who don't, they don't get sick. So it doesn't work like that. And that's just the facts. You can not like it or think whatever. But the only thing that I'm interested in is showing me a study that's well done, right?
• 11:57
  That shows that that's true. And there isn't one. So that's the first pillar of virology. There is no contagion. The second pillar is yeah.
• 12:09
  Seth Holehouse: Well, so it's interesting just kind of framing this because there's, if there's one thing I've learned, especially over the past couple of years, it's a lot of the ideas that I had about our world were planted in me at some point in my life, whether through education system or Sesame Street or even a parrot, and these ideas have turned out to be false. And not only are they false, but they've been ideas that have been put in my mind to intentionally put me into a mental trap, so I don't escape this cage to understand the truth about the reality around me. And so, what we're seeing right now is that the the powers that be, the governments, the corporatocracy, etcetera, that they're finding all these different reasons and excuses to and lies really to make people feel like they don't have control because then it's like you can only trust the guy in a white lab coat to fix your problem for you. And so the idea of germ versus terrain theory, germ theory gives scientists complete control over the well-being of our health, like a %. It's like you can't 100%.
• 13:13
  It's like you don't have a microscope at home, you don't understand molecular biology, how can you possibly, you know, cure yourself because these germs are everywhere. But terrain theory, the idea that it's the environment that causes sickness, that's the inverse of it. Like with terrain theory, you might say, gosh, why am I really sick all of a sudden? It's like, put a smart meter in my home two weeks ago, and I've had headaches ever Like terrain theory makes you look at your environment. It's actually the same thing as dieting, right?
• 13:42
  Whereas you go to a, you you could be eating garbage trash every day and have massive heart problems. You go see the doctor and the doctor's like, Well, we're gonna put on these heart meds because this is what's happening. Whereas someone might also say, Well, no, no, no, fix your terrain, fix your physical environment, stop eating McDonald's every day. Right? So just it gives them that complete control, which leads me to think that actually that this is another one of those examples of gosh, what I thought I knew is actually completely wrong and not just wrong, but a lie that was used to put me in a box that may be very easy to control.
• 14:17
  Folks, I've got a quick message for you. Right now, the world is very, very actively going through a process that the experts are calling de dollarization. And look, I've been talking about this for well over a year now, but maybe you're now starting to see it in the mainstream because they're now talking about it because it's really happening. What does this mean? Well, there's a few factors, but there's two main factors.
• 14:40
  One is that the BRICS nations, okay, this is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and a whole coalition, they are actively getting rid of the US dollar. They're stopping their trade in the US dollar, and this is significant because the dollar's losing its status as the global reserve currency and as the petro dollar. This is what gives our dollar its value. But the other thing is that we have an enemy that's within our own government, Biden and his administration, they are actively working to destroy the dollar. And you can see in their actions that they're not trying to save the dollar, they're actually trying to destroy it because they want to roll out their central bank digital currency.
• 15:19
  So you have these two forces coming in both the same time working to destroy the dollar because what happens when that dollar gets destroyed? Well, literally your life savings, if they're sitting in the dollar, whether it's in a savings account or a bank account or the stock market or an IRA or a four zero one k, those savings, that money could literally be wiped out in a matter of days, weeks, even a couple of months. We're already seeing it with inflation, which is gonna be much much worse. If you're seeing the writing on the wall and you're thinking, what can I do to protect myself? Well, there's a few recommendations that I always have.
• 15:55
  One is just to make sure you've got your food, if you have land, you know, ammunition, whatever it takes, real tangible assets. But fundamentally, the thing I recommend most is precious metals, gold and silver. Look, precious metals have survived the collapse of currencies, the rise and fall of civilization, and also a big factor in this is that the BRICS nations, their new currency they're introducing to replace the dollar, a lot of experts are saying it will be backed by commodities like precious metals, and so you can see there's gonna be a stabilization and I believe a dramatic increase in the value of precious metals. Not to mention, look at the back the past six months, we're seeing, you know, 30% plus increase in the prices of silver and gold. So if you would go back and say you put a hundred grand into silver six months ago, it could be worth well over a hundred and 25, a hundred and $30,000 because the dollar is losing its value.
• 16:45
  So folks, if you want someone that you can trust for buying your precious metals or gold and silver, I would highly recommend Doctor. Kirk Elliott. So Doctor. Kirk Elliott is a good friend of mine, but he's a strong Christian patriot. He understands what's happening in the world.
• 17:01
  He's got two PhDs, one in theology, one in economics. So it's the perfect blend of understanding realistically money in the end times. So if you want to set up a free consultation with Kirk's team, head on over to goldwithseth.com. So again, that's goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, it's goldwithseth.com, you go to the website, you scroll down, there's a simple form that you fill out right there.
• 17:31
  You put your email, name, contact information, and that sets you up for a free wealth consultation. We can talk to either Kirk or one of his experts to really understand what your options are. Or you can just call (720) 605-3900 to take action today.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Every one of these, lies that you're talking about, they have a common characteristic of two things. One is they give the power or the agency to somebody else. And number two, which is very important, which is a big part of science and medicine, they make you think that the people in charge are much more powerful than they actually are. Like they're the only ones who actually understand how viruses replicate or spike proteins attached to ACE2 receptors. You silly peon person, you couldn't possibly understand this.
• 18:32
  We're the ones who know how to genetically modify this or that, even though truth be told, they can't genetically modify anything. That myth makes you think, oh my God, these people, they really have a lot of power and they're really smart and I can't possibly understand it. And boy, it's pretty scary out there because they're, you know, now it isn't to say that there might not be things out there which aren't good for you, like the smart meter, right? So you may not be able to control everything, but essentially you can because you may have to do it with others. Like you may have to form with a community and get them to stop doing that, or you can't stop them from chemtrailing you, right?
• 19:22
  Not by yourself. But collectively we could. And that's the problem is because we don't quote believe it or know it that that's the problem. That's why you're getting sick. If people knew that they might say, I'm not, I don't want them doing that anymore.
• 19:42
  Exactly. Every single time there's a lie that's those two things come into play. They get more power and you think they're a lot smarter and more powerful than they are. It's like the Wizard of Oz. It's like this guy who's got this big voice, but he can't even stand up to a little dog.
• 20:05
  That's who we're dealing with. Exactly. Anyway, to go back, that was the first The second pillar is they take secretions or bodily fluids, snot or mucus or urine or blood, they filter it so they get the part that would have the virus, right? And they expose that to animals or people. We have no studies showing they get sick.
• 20:33
  So the part that would have the virus in it, you know, they did this famously with polio, they ground up a spine, they filtered it. That's the part with the so called contagion in it, the virus, and no animal got sick. Finally, in order to prove this, they inject that unfiltered, you know, that filtered goop into a brain of an animal, a monkey, and they get sick and they claim that that shows that there's contagion. And so it's basically, again, disproven that the filterable agent is what they call it, makes people sick or animals. It's simply a disproven hypothesis.
• 21:19
  So that's two. The third one is that they've isolated a virus, meaning found, right? And I think we went through, you know, one of the tricks of science is to get you to think that the usual way that you know things doesn't apply. So everybody knows if they want to find a hammer, they go to the toolbox, find a hammer, pull it out, study it, see what it does. You want to find a frog, you go to the pond, you get a net, you pick out the frog, you have only a frog, then you can study it, see what it's made of and what it does.
• 21:58
  Bacteria, fungus, everything's the same, but not a virus. You go to the fluid where it's found in your lungs, You can't pull it out. You can't find the virus. That everybody agrees with. So they made up.
• 22:14
  So what do they, they, at that point, they have two options. One is say, look, it's not there. The whole thing's bullshit. Or change the definition of isolation. Meaning it doesn't mean separate the thing you're looking for and prove it exists.
• 22:34
  What they mean is they take that unpurified lung fluid, mix it with a culture, add antibiotics, starve it, add fetal bovine serum, see if the culture breaks down. If it does, that proves there's a virus, that's called isolation. And that is not the definition of the word. Especially because we already have proven that antibiotics and starving it and adding other factors that are added to the culture make the culture die. So it's not isolation and it's because they've never found it.
• 23:16
  That's the step where they find the virus. And that's the only way they do it. That should be very clear to people. If you if you think this is wrong, show me how that study, that isolation experiment actually has found the virus. Because it doesn't make any sense.
• 23:38
  So that's three. Number four is they take that stuff and they show you a picture of it on an electron microscope, but they can't differentiate breakdown of the cells from this so called virus. So that's number four. Number five is they get a piece of it, which is the genome. They claim that's coming from the virus, but they actually have no idea whether that's true because I would say if you've never found something proven that exists and isolated it, you'll never know which part of it came from that thing.
• 24:17
  It's like grinding up pond water and finding a piece of a toenail and saying that that means you found a frog. It's scientific. So those are the five pillars of virology. They're all proven to be inaccurate and false.
• 24:38
  Seth Holehouse: So I've got a question for you. This is helpful for me to understand. So I did a quick search as you're talking for, you know, was coronavirus isolated? And, you know, of course now, here's a Reuters fact check article, okay, which is obviously I don't give them any weight, but I'm just curious what they're trying to present here because in this article here, they say fact check, SARS CoV-two has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced. And they say in an interview with a Canadian writer who surfaced on social media and shows him making several false claims about COVID-nineteen among them, he questions the existence of coronaviruses by saying they've never been isolated.
• 25:18
  So here's, you know, the guy that's, you know, questioning that. So how, when they are trying to tell you, they're saying, okay, they're saying here that there are multiple examples of scientists isolating SARS CoV-two, the virus, you know, causing COVID-nineteen. So basically, when they're coming out and saying that, what are they, what are they, what is the rule they're pulling over our eyes with this type of an article?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Okay. It's just like I said, Seth, the definition of the word isolate, isolate it. And again, I encourage you if you hear what I'm saying and you don't agree, or it doesn't make sense, just stop me and let's go through it. The definition in the dictionary of isolation is separate one thing from all other things, Right? You got a hammer in your toolbox, you separate it, you have just a hammer.
• 26:15
  You have a frog in a pond, you separate it, I. E. Isolate it, and you have just a frog. You agree with that? Yes.
• 26:24
  Yes. And that not only is that what the word means, it is absolutely crucial to any further experiment on a frog or a hammer. You cannot do the, find out what a frog is made of by examining a pond, right? Or a hammer by examining a toolbox, because you don't know whether you're assessing screwdrivers and nails and all the rest of it. So
• 26:55
  Seth Holehouse: basically Sorry, so you've it really comes down to what the terminology they use, which is this, and we know this is how they're lying, even by saying that the vaccine is safe and effective. Well, it's like, well, how do you, how can you say it's safe and effective? Well, according to this one study with these particular variables, we can prove it safe and effective, right? But it's because they're just, they're creating a definition. And so even though they're saying, look, here's proof it's been isolated, I'm sure you've dug into those actual studies to end up with nothing at the end.
• 27:26
  And so, yeah, they're just wordsmithing it and changing the definition to make you think it's been isolated. Is that correct?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Right. So here's what isolating of this particle would be. I have somebody who I claim has SARS CoV-two, has COVID. They say that's in their lungs. I get lung fluid, right?
• 27:48
  That's the pond. I separate the virus. And so now I show you a picture, which is easy to do. This is a technically doable request. I show you only the virus.
• 28:05
  That's what isolation means. That they admit has never been done. Not for herpes lesions, not for monotonsils, not for SARS CoV-two, not for any so called virus. There is no dispute. So what did they do?
• 28:25
  They took the lung fluid, didn't look for anything in it. They put that on growing monkey kidney cells. They added monkey, they added antibiotics, which are toxic to kidney cells. They took away the nutrients. They added fetal bovine serum.
• 28:45
  The kidney cells died, and that is called isolation of the virus.
• 28:51
  Seth Holehouse: Gosh.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Every single reference they give, that is what they did. They say that the only thing that could have killed the cells is the virus in your lung fluid. Now I show people studies, gentamicin, the antibiotic that they add. So they say, why do you add gentamicin? Well, you have to kill the bacteria.
• 29:20
  Okay. So genomycin kills monkey kidney cells. How do you know that the death of the monkey kidney cells wasn't from the genomycin? Well, we don't know. How do you know it wasn't the amphotericin that kills monkey kidney cells?
• 29:38
  We don't know. How do you know it wasn't something else in the lung fluid of a sick person? Right? There's lots of things. Well, we did a control, they say.
• 29:51
  So what we did was we did saline instead of lung fluid, and we didn't use as many antibiotics, and we gave, we didn't change the nutrient blend. We gave the normal nutrition to the cells. And then sometimes it didn't break down. And you think, how do you, why didn't you do everything the same except take out the virus? Because that's what a control is.
• 30:23
  That's what the word means. Well, we can't find the virus so we couldn't take it out, Which is why I would claim that there has never been an experiment done in virology. Because just like there's never been an experiment done on unicorns, you have to have the unicorn first to do an experiment on it. And they don't have the virus. Now, then they take this broken down kidney cell and the next claim was they found the genome, right?
• 31:00
  There is no genome in that brew. What they do is there's 56,000,000 pieces of RNA in this broken down kidney culture. They match, they tell the computer to assemble that based on the previous SARS CoV-two published genome. And it assembles the pieces to match the previous genome. That genome doesn't exist in the mixture.
• 31:35
  It's like somebody makes a puzzle and they say, here's of 60,000,000 pieces, make a puzzle that looks like this. Meanwhile, that original puzzle was found in the same way, right? There was no genome there either. They made that up and it goes on and on, everybody making a genome according to the latest published genome. And every time they do it, they make mistakes because it never comes out right because the brew is a little different and the computer, which is why there's 6,000,000 variants.
• 32:12
  Seth Holehouse: Crazy.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Because it can't reproduce the genome. It's like, it is seriously like make a castle out of Lego. And I want you to make an exact replica of King Beauregard's castle. Well, the obvious question is, can you show me what it looks like? Right?
• 32:33
  You want an exact replica. No, you have to make it without seeing any picture or anything. You can't do it. So I'll give you $2,000,000 if you do it. So you make a castle, right?
• 32:49
  And you don't know whether it's the right one or not because you just put the pieces together. And then that one, you get a Nobel Prize, that's the castle. Then everybody else gets their 6,000,000 Lego pieces and makes it similar, but they're not quite the same because they don't make it the right way. And those are the variants and the mutations and the genetic phylogenetic tree. And then fifty years later, somebody says, you know what, King Beauregard didn't have a castle.
• 33:18
  He was afraid of snakes. He lived in a townhouse in London. And then they shoot him because everybody knows King Beauregard must have had a castle. And that's exactly how virology works. If you go back and say, ask those doctors, where was the original coronavirus that you're using as a template?
• 33:42
  They have no idea. It was just made out of thin air.
• 33:47
  Seth Holehouse: It's just lies built upon lies built upon lies. Reinforced by a media that we know lies, reinforced by an education system. We know lies reinforced by big farm. I mean, it's just, it's a massive, it's a house of cards. The entire thing is a house of cards yet this house of cards is what they're doing to justify a pandemic treaty.
• 34:13
  Like this house of cards is what they're doing to justify locking us down, forcing vaccination. I mean, this is this undoes everything. Like this is a this is such a significant point.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yes. That's what I keep saying. And I don't see the argument that this is an irrelevant issue. I mean, that's what I can name all the people in the, in the so called freedom community who are saying, oh, this is dividing the people. It's irrelevant.
• 34:45
  Nobody cares about what, this is the whole shebang because they keep doing this to us. They did it with AIDS. They did it with the Spanish flu. They do it with, you know, they're trying to do with monkeypox. They're doing it with Ebola.
• 35:01
  And here's another thing, Seth, every single time they do it, like you look at Ebola, there is no Ebola virus, but, so, but there is a, a situation or an illness called, you know, hemorrhaging, like bleeding to death. That, that is true. There are children in Africa that bleed to death. So every time you go to a place with so called Ebola virus, you find they're using toxic chemicals to leach out gold or diamonds or cobalt or something. They're giving all the children these beta lactam antibiotics, which are known to cause bleeding and haemorrhage.
• 35:45
  They're putting them in starvation camps. They're displacing their community. They're messing with their food supply and on and on and on. And all those things are absolutely known to cause children to get sick and hemorrhage and die. And instead of looking at this, like, why are we displacing communities?
• 36:09
  Why are we having starving children? Why are we poisoning them with antibiotics? Why are we leaching chemicals into their water supply? Why are we spraying stuff in their air? None of that gets looked at.
• 36:23
  It's just a lab created Ebola virus, which you can never find. You can never prove that it exists. And to me, that's the tragic and almost disgusting thing about the freedom community is they let the perpetrators off the hook. That's the problem. It is not a lab created virus.
• 36:49
  That is a, you know, in the vernacular, that's like a patsy, right? You blame it on some, know, it's the Chinese are making, you know, engineered virus or Fauci's doing it, right? It's all Fauci's fault or Ralph Barack or somebody's making engineered viruses again. So they have the power, they know how to make an engineered virus. But if you go look at how they make those engineered viruses, I mean, you know, you think, oh, this is a guy with the tweezers and he sticks a little piece of gene into them, you know, all they do is take these cell cultures, right?
• 37:33
  The monkey kidney cells, they stick some synthetic chemicals and nucleotides in there, and it comes up with a different brew and they call that a lab created virus. It's just nonsense. And the whole freedom community is selling that to people. And what they're doing is letting the real, you know, the real crime go off the hook. They're they're accomplices in my opinion.
• 38:04
  Seth Holehouse: Well, what's interesting is that, you know, I've interviewed people like say Doctor. Robert Young, that in a lot of other people, you know, even talk about recently with Rainer Fulmich. And, you know, what they've talked about is the relationship to all these sicknesses and five g or even four g or three g that these things similar to say, you know, again, smart meter, getting a smart meter, you get headaches all of a sudden, right? You know, you could then go to the hospital and say, have bad headaches. They say, oh, well, PCR tests, you've got coronavirus, right?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:37
  Seth Holehouse: It's that easy to create a pandemic. Whereas like what those folks are saying is it really, I mean, honestly, it reinforces the whole idea of terrain theory that people are saying, look, in Wuhan, the original ground zero of this, they had just activated a massive five g network. It was like, think it was like one of the first major five g networks in China just so happened to be activated in Wuhan at that time. Like we saw the the cruise ship, right, the cruise ship that was stranded with everyone having, you know, everyone caught coronavirus. Well, they had just installed new five g tower brand new on that cruise ship ship.
• 39:10
  And so there's that that argument also is really saying, like, look, this isn't like anything like what we've thought it would be. It's not what we think it is. It's something entirely different. And, you know, people that again, like Robert Young who says, look, like, the the weaponization of something like five g makes the atom bomb irrelevant. Like, this this is such a a more targeted, more powerful and potent weapon, but also it's something that can be used in psychological operations to make people think there's outbreaks and everything, which then, again, they get the freedom for the protection from the authorities.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, the bottom line and, you know, some of those people get that there's no virus and some don't. But the first step is there is no virus. And so then if people are getting sick, you have to examine why might they be getting sick. And that's certainly one of the possibilities.
• 40:08
  You know, I mean, we've written about this and there's no doubt that certain electromagnetic waves cause breakdown of the tissues, which is what essentially a virus phenomenon is. It's just tissues breaking down and then it makes particles as they break down. And those are mischaracterized as coming from the outside being somehow replicating, it's just garbage from breaking down. And that will sometimes make this PCR test, which has never been, the primers, the sequences have never been shown to be from a virus. So they're just breakdown of the tissue.
• 40:54
  The more you're breaking down, the more likely you are to test positive. So all you're doing is poisoning people in various ways. And it's not just five gs, it's not just four gs, it's the chemtrails and the fear and the food and, you you name it. So, I mean, but once we get through this first thing, the SIOP is that it's a virus, it's contagious. Once we're done with that, we can actually start investigating and doing something about why do people get sick.
• 41:34
  Not a virus.
• 41:35
  Seth Holehouse: And you know what's interesting is I saw something recently on one of the Epoch Times, you know, health shows, they're talking about this guy who started an organization to treat people that were vaccine injured. And he they one of the studies that they did was that they talked to all these different people like how, like what made you feel better, right, you know, on the list was ivermectin, all the different medications, but also like go, you know, walking more, physical exercise, and think of like the top six things that actually improve people's well-being had nothing to do with medication that was supposedly, you know, fixing something at that level is all it was like adjusting your terrain, getting outside more, getting more sun, you know, changing your diet. And so, and that's you. Aside from the whole idea that okay, this is a massive, you know, psyop that's being used to kind of push us towards this technocracy. The whole other side of this is like, well, anybody that's had an ailment, you know, whether it's, you know, cancer or especially I can't say cancer is maybe a little different, but let's just say that these typical viruses, we've always approached the treatment of those viruses with the methods the same people that are pushing this whole virus concept have given us.
• 42:46
  And so if you're if if we wanted to retrain our thinking, which I know this is what you're what you're really focused on is helping to retrain our thinking to understanding that sickness is terrain, not germ, right? Is that am I correct in my understanding of that?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, don't I tend not to use the word terrain only because I don't like jargon of any sort really. And I'd rather be specific. It's basically, there's four things that make you sick. You either get injured, like you fall off a horse, or you're deficient in something you need that could be food or love or shelter or warmth, or you're poisoned.
• 43:34
  There's a whole lot of ways, five gs and chemtrails and cyanide and arsenic, or you're delusional, which is probably the main one. And what you think then will dictate your actions and that has consequences. If you think there's viruses, you will do activities to prevent you from getting a virus, like taking injections of poison, and then you get sick. Why did you get sick? You could say because you injected the poison, but I think you got sick because you believe in viruses.
• 44:13
  And anytime you believe in disproven hypotheses, it leads you astray. But you know, you said something interesting there, and I want to talk about this cancer thing a little bit. Because I'm contending that medicine is all about examining assumptions. So if you want, let's look at the cancer situation a little bit. So, and again, I would really love it if you hear something or it doesn't square with your understanding, Just stop me and say, I don't think that's the way I see it or something.
• 44:54
  So what I would say is we think what is cancer fundamentally? Cancer is when the situation where you have cells that are abnormal cells, they're not healthy, normal cells, specifically they have an abnormal number of chromosomes, they're misshapen and they grow too fast. Because they grow too fast, they overwhelm the healthy normal cells, which don't grow so fast. And then they take over the organ, form these tumors, and then they even spread, they grow and go through the blood and the lymph and go to other organs and grow there. Right?
• 45:40
  That's cancer. Does that sound right?
• 45:43
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, actually, I'll throw, it's a quick caveat to this is that so I lost my brother to cancer. He had, I think, non Hodgkin's lymphoma and had a huge tumor that grew in his chest. Was covering up his heart and his left lung. So, you know, and I went through the chemo treatment with him and the radiation. And I mean, was hospitalized for probably eight or nine months.
• 46:06
  And then, you know, it was really kind of a bad situation. But so I'm really curious to hear your thoughts on cancer because I know that what they were doing to treat him, like, could have been in a lot of ways, but also accelerated the his his passing.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. But I want to really get down to the root of this issue, which is that it's abnormal cell growth of abnormal shaped and functioning cells. They grow too much. That's why they made a tumor. The chemotherapy is designed to kill the fast growing cells.
• 46:46
  Hopefully they kill the fast ones more than the slow ones. Radiation kills the fast growing cells. And if you go to a holistic doctor, he does things to get the cells, get your immune system to deal with these fast growing cells, right? That's the whole shebang. Now, what most people don't realize and what I didn't realize for years is there's a fundamental assumption here, which is never spoken about, which is that we are made of cells and the tissues, the organs are made of cells.
• 47:26
  Your liver is made of liver cells. And that's what is growing and dividing and something happened to them and to this cell and made it dysfunctional and abnormal, right? But fundamentally we're made of cells. Now, I can tell you that's a theory that started in around 1858, guy named Rudolf Virchow. Before that, people thought that we're made of protoplasm, which is essentially organized water.
• 47:57
  But here's what really tipped me off. If I said to you, Seth, I got this car and it's all broken to pieces. You know, the engine is in three pieces and the steering wheel's in the trunk and the brakes are, somebody cut the brake pads and all that, just a piece of crap. And you say to me, you probably wouldn't, but, so Tom, how's it running? And I say, Yeah, Seth, it's running three times better than my normal car.
• 48:33
  You would say, I don't really think that's probably true. My guess is that piece of junk doesn't run at all. And if I did that with anything, I say, I got this frog and it's all broken to pieces and it's just laying there and how does it jump? Oh, it jumps three times higher than the normal frog. You would say, I don't think so.
• 48:58
  So how is it that this broken, you know, aneuploid, meaning different number of chromosomes misshapen, all the proteins are off, cell is able to grow three times faster than the normal cell. Now, if you look at how a cell divides, you have these chromosomes, they say, and they double and then they split apart and go to the poles and then you get a division down the middle, right? That's called mitosis. If you've got 64 broken pieces of chromosomes, all fused together in little pieces at all, there's no way that can divide. There's no way the spindle can attach to that, pull it to the side, etcetera.
• 49:47
  So I came to the conclusion and I tried to look at this, where is the proof that these cells are dividing? And my answer is fundamentally there isn't any. The only answer they give is, well, the beginning there was this many and two months later there was this many, therefore they must be dividing and growing. But I would contend that that doesn't prove it's dividing. So for instance, if you measure the number of fish bones in a pond, there's very few, right?
• 50:26
  Free fish bones. You put some dynamite in the fish bones, come back a week later and there's a thousand fish bones in the pond. The conclusion isn't that the fish bones multiplied in the pond and made a thousand fish bones. Something happened to the pond and more fish bones came from the fish. So if you then think, so what are these cells?
• 50:55
  So if you reorient your thinking, a liver is made of homogenous protoplasm organized water. At the periphery, it's always dying and reforming. That's just normal. So it makes these little compartments, which we call cells, and they slough off and get resorbed by the body. So the only place you see liver cells is at the periphery of the liver.
• 51:23
  The rest of the liver is just homogenous tissue. Now, if you go and poison the liver, could be a lot of different poisons. What it will do is make more of these cells because it's dying and they will be abnormal cells. And they'll have funny number of chromosomes and funny proteins and all kinds of unusual things in there, but they're not growing and dividing. They're just being sloughed off because of the liver has been poisoned.
• 51:58
  And they're not gonna like swim through your bloodstream and go to the next organ. And, you know, back in medical school, they said that tumor spreads from your breast, goes through the blood to the liver. So I asked them, well, show me the tumor, the breast cancer cells in your blood. Oh, we can't find it. How come?
• 52:28
  Same thing, right? You can't find it. Nobody has ever seen the breast cancer cells swimming through the blood and finding its way to the liver. So I think the whole thing is based on flawed assumption. What's happening is you're poisoning the tissue, it accelerates its creation of these, you know, excretion products, the more poisoned it is, the more abnormal the excretion product, right?
• 52:59
  It's like garbage. You got a house, you put a little bit of garbage, you make, put it in bags, you take it out to the curb, everything's fine. Somebody puts a whole lot of garbage and stinky, nasty garbage in your house, you make more bins and then you put more garbage. If somebody puts 20 times as much garbage, then you put it in the spare bedroom and in the living room and finally in the kitchen and then your house is dead. It didn't swim from the garbage can to your bedroom.
• 53:35
  It just got more of it. And if you think like that, then it suddenly makes sense. A, why surgery sometimes works, right? You're taking out the garbage cans. Chemotherapy doesn't work, you know, two percent increase after seventy years and $100,000,000,000,000 of research.
• 53:58
  They claim a two percent increase in the efficacy, which is nothing. And all the alternative therapies to stop the cell growing and get your immune system to get rid of the abnormal cell, it's all hooey. What's the problem is, is you're poisoning yourself emotionally, psychologically, and physically, right? Arsenic, chemtrails, five gs, that's creating the excretion of these toxic compartments. And that's why you see whenever there's a cleansing program, a program to stop you from poisoning yourself, the people get better.
• 54:45
  It exactly correlates with every observable fact. And so it all comes back to me to the fundamental assumption we're made of cells. That's not true. The chromosomes are where our blueprint is. That's not true.
• 55:04
  The chromosomes house the DNA, that's not true. Mutations are the driver, that's not true. Mutations are just another broken down piece of DNA. And I would challenge anybody to tell me any fact that they can show me that shows that that way of looking at it does not correlate to all the known physical facts and experimental research on cancer.
• 55:34
  Seth Holehouse: Gosh, incredible. I mean, it's like, I guess it would make sense that it's another one of those things that it's like what causes it? Well, there's all these mysterious things that cause it or you get these little warnings, this thing may cause cancer, but
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: You got a genetic mutation, luck, don't worry about it.
• 55:54
  Seth Holehouse: It's like, oh, it's hereditary, you know, whatever they're telling us. And so, you know, looking at from this perspective, how, like, how do we go about A, retraining our thinking on this, but also really kind of building a new biology out of this because it's like it's fundamentally flawed. Right? So, you know, if if if that's the case, how can we then heal ourselves? Like, what's what's the focus?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I mean, right. I've spent my life trying to figure this out and, know, to put in a sort of plug, we are doing this new biology curriculum where anybody who thinks, oh, this guy is crazy, don't do it. But if this guy makes sense, you see, it's actually very simple and straightforward. And you just have to get rid of the illusions and the misconceptions and the lies that we've been told, as you pointed out, on all sorts of things. But here we're talking about biology and medicine.
• 57:05
  And just observe what you see and think about that in relation to the things you know, right? You would never accept people saying these kind of things in another context. Like you can isolate a hammer by grinding up a toolbox. Like nobody would believe that, but that's how they find viruses and that, you know, and somehow we believe it. So once you do that, you end up with a medicine and a biology that is based on real observation of real phenomena, stuff that actually exists.
• 57:44
  And I mean, you know, people have to make the choice. Does that sound right for them? I mean, I guess in some ways it's scary because I'm saying that your healthcare provider, your healthcare system is fundamentally misguided. I mean, I'm talking fundamentally. I'm not talking about, you know, we can fix the payment plan for Medicare and it'll be better.
• 58:14
  Or some people say the problem in medicine is the doctors don't have enough time with their patients, right? They only get six minutes. I don't agree with that at all because if you give the doctor six hours, after two minutes, they don't know anything. You got a sore throat, it's either strep, mono, or a different virus. And you could sit there for six hours and he or she won't know anything more than that.
• 58:45
  They don't talk about it may be the braces, which are changing the metallic environment in your mouth. It may be that there's a psychological experience in your house. It may be that you're eating only donuts. You know, that's not part of medicine, but it's part of life. And if you wanna get your life better, you gotta deal with real life.
• 59:11
  Like what actually happens to people individually and collectively. And in a way, that's why I'm doing this because I can't stop chemtrails, right? I can't stop them putting five gs towers up. Now maybe the two of us and then your listeners, maybe we can do something, but just me, I I you know, nobody's gonna listen to me or probably you. Maybe they'll listen to you better.
• 59:40
  You seem, you know, more more reliable.
• 59:47
  Seth Holehouse: I don't know about that.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Don't know either, but whatever.
• 59:52
  Seth Holehouse: So it's, I guess, you know, fundamentally, as we're wrapping up here, it's I feel like what we're going through right now is this process of regaining control over our own lives and realizing that the greatest lie that's been told is all the the collection of all these lies that make us think we don't have control. It's like, we don't have control of your food system. Oh, there's a food shortage because of the war in Ukraine. It's like, do you have, you know, do you have a hundred square feet in your backyard? Can take
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: control of your Exactly.
• 1:00:30
  Seth Holehouse: You know, there's all these different things that it's like, they're trying to make us feel like we don't have control. And I feel like the way that we beat them, the way that we overcome this fundamentally is just by realizing that in a lot of ways, God gave us everything that we need as individuals. And then we extend out into our communities, our families, and but like reclaim our own, just our own identity, reclaim our own control, become the masters of our destiny again, instead of relying on the government on big pharma, you know, in all of its different forms. Like, and this is just, this lesson fits into the same discussion I'm having with people about constitutional rights. The same bill talking about censorship.
• 1:01:14
  It's like, okay, well, they can censor you on Facebook, but I bet if you went and printed off a thousand, you know, papers at Kinko's and went and set them on top of a building with a windy day, there you go, your message is gonna be all across town, right? They can't censor that, right? So there's always ways that it's like, the thing is, the key is that we can't let ourselves get into a trap where eventually we take down one route and we say, Oh, I can't do that because they won't let me. It's like then find the way that you can.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, right. This is all, this is two things. One is we have an amazing opportunity right now because the egg is cracking and I still contend that they made a huge, whoever they is, made a huge mistake by basing this on a virus because it's so easy to prove what nonsense it is. And so that was a tactical mistake.
• 1:02:11
  Second of all, it's all about reclaiming your power and your sovereignty. You have, you know, as you say, the God given ability and right control your destiny, particularly when you are willing to cooperate with others and work with others. And they don't have the power. They do these things to make them seem powerful. Like we can genetically modify you.
• 1:02:41
  And the reality is they can't. They don't have the ability to do that. They don't know how to do it because it can't be done. And so there's a whole lot of things you don't need to worry about. But what you do need to worry about is like you say, growing your food and getting out of that matrix, like the government is somehow gonna help you out.
• 1:03:03
  Like, no, no, That's not gonna work. You can wait forever. And that's just, or if you vote for the right person, somehow it'll work out. It's not gonna work.
• 1:03:22
  Seth Holehouse: No, it's a good point. Well, before we sign off, I want to bring up your website. So it's DrTomCowen.com. It's DrTom, it's C0WAN. Here's where people can follow a lot of what you're doing.
• 1:03:35
  They can learn more. You've got this tab up top for curriculum, right? So here's your, it's the new biology curriculum. You want walk you over what they're going to find here?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's basically, you know, people have said, well, you can't just die and just nobody hears about what you're thinking, which I don't know. So we put it into modules, you're like, let's talk about how to talk to a person, find out what happened to them. Let's talk about biology, you know, virology. Let's talk about the heart, what it actually does. And we go and you join with like 20 other practitioners or people interested in healing and health.
• 1:04:19
  And we study these areas for three weeks. We give you, you know, books and lectures and papers, and then you have a meeting and then you can talk to me. And at the end of that, we're hoping that we have all these people who understand real biology, not make believe biology. And out of that, how to help people get better, how to form a community of people who are interested in, you know, real healing. And you know, that's our sort of latest initiative.
• 1:04:54
  So I hope everybody who's interested, check it out.
• 1:04:58
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, great. Great. Well, Tom, thanks again for coming on. It's, it's fun talking with you. I'm sure.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, I talked to a lot of doctors and people for whatever reason though our conversation just seems very just interesting. I'm having all these moments going off like, Oh, that makes more sense. So that's usually when I feel like I'm getting closer to the truth. So I just I appreciate what you're doing. I think you're probably taking a lot of flack out there on the front lines with this, but I encourage you to keep at it because, you know, it's like we for as long as we're still within Plato's cave analyzing which shadow we think is the right shadow, we're still losing.
• 1:05:35
  Right? We have to walk out of the know, and realize
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta get out of the cave.
• 1:05:40
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Mean, I don't really have any choice. This is kinda what I do and I'll just go down doing it.
• 1:05:48
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, good. All right. Well, you, Tom. Take care.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, Seth. It's wonderful to talk to you and good luck with all you're doing here.
• 1:05:56
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. Thank you so much. Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question.
• 1:06:03
  If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year? This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands.
• 1:06:36
  They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food. So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations.
• 1:07:05
  Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food. This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest.
• 1:07:26
  This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company, and what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food. Again, lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar. They're filling the buckets with a bunch of filler and junk like sweet beverages, etc. But Heaven's Harvest, they focus on very high quality food that will last up to twenty five years on the shelf. They also sell heirloom seeds.
• 1:07:53
  You can buy all of your seed, you can buy all of your restorable food. And look folks, personally, I would recommend having at least three months per person in your household, if not six months or even a year. Again, depends on your budget, but I'll definitely make sure you have some seeds because that seed, those seeds could be worth their weight in gold, if not more in the future. So to go ahead and do this right now, go put up a new tab and go to heavensharvest.com. And if you use the promo code Seth, that's s e t h, promo code Seth, you'll save 15% off of your entire order.
• 1:08:27
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