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Ep. 989: Rut Fresh Radio - Late Season Patterns and Tight Mature Buck Movement · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What is going on? Welcome back to Refresh. I'm Jake Hoofer.
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  Speaker 1: In this week. We have a great episode as we
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  Speaker 1: are inching in on the end of December, and we
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  Speaker 1: have some great intel and information for anyone that stills
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  Speaker 1: tagging the pocket or wants to know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: across the country. As you know, rough Fresh is brought
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  Speaker 1: estate marketplace to find your perfect rural recreational I have
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  Speaker 1: cultural hunting properties here in the US. It's been cold,
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  Speaker 1: it's been frigid. We've had a really really strong winter
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  Speaker 1: up to this point. Looks like there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: some warmer temperatures here throughout this week. And what does
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  Speaker 1: that mean to you? What can you do? We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a variety of different guests here. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: kick things off with Tyler Jones, who's in Texas and
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  Speaker 1: hunts all over, but today he's in Texas. Here we go,
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  Speaker 1: all right, first up on the line, guy that travels
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  Speaker 1: a bunch, and so I'm just gonna ask Tyler, where
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  Speaker 1: in the world are you right now?
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Texas right now, been in Arkansas recently, so
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  Speaker 2: most of our time has been spent in the South
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  Speaker 2: the last week or two, maybe maybe two weeks, three weeks,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Time flies, Yeah, I mean the for deer hunters, the
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  Speaker 1: world kind of resolves revolves around the Midwest. At least
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  Speaker 1: that's just me because I live here and so the South.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are down there right now, you're headed to
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  Speaker 1: go check out a property. What have you been hearing
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  Speaker 1: and seeing in terms of rud activity, because I know
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  Speaker 1: it's getting more exciting there and more food centric here.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are getting to see what deer're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to do and all the exciting things. Have you been
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  Speaker 1: noticing that or seeing anything like that on camera?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so, you know, the Texas is a huge state,
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  Speaker 2: so and super geographically diverse. Habitat is you know, crazy
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  Speaker 2: different from the coast to the Transpagas region, to the
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  Speaker 2: brush country of South Texas to the Panhandle which is
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  Speaker 2: the Great Plains, to the you know, Black Lamp Prairie,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of where I live, all the way
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  Speaker 2: into the piney Woods, which is like what you're see
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  Speaker 2: in the South. So there's so many different things going on.
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  Speaker 2: There's a ton of different ruts. The South is full
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  Speaker 2: of different ruts all the way through out to Florida,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and where I have been recently, what we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing mostly our.
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  Speaker 3: Mid November rut dates, and.
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  Speaker 2: So we're starting to get to where deer getting back
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  Speaker 2: onto food sources pretty heavy, probably much like what you're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I've one of our camera guys, Greg, he
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  Speaker 2: said that he's had in the last like two days,
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  Speaker 2: he's had like three shooter Bucks show up, one that
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't seen since last year on feeders. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're getting back into you know, trying to gain a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of that that fat reserve back I guess
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  Speaker 2: from the rut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So they're they're licking their jog here looking
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  Speaker 1: you know, at this time of the year, and people
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  Speaker 1: are still at it and they're not completely burnt out.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think if you did a if you did
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  Speaker 1: a survey family feud style of you know, are you
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  Speaker 1: burnt out? Ninety nine five one hundred people said they're
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  Speaker 1: burnt out and they're looking their own chops from deer season.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you at in terms of motivation and excitement
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  Speaker 1: as we close out the year of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: I know season's going to twenty six here. But where
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  Speaker 1: are you at in terms of excitement or being a
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  Speaker 1: little rundown.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I would say if you
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  Speaker 2: asked me two days ago, I was a little rundown.
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  Speaker 2: I slept pretty good last night, and so I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: it's been four days since I've really hunted, which I
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  Speaker 2: haven't had a four day stretch probably since September sometime.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, really I'm kind of itching to get
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  Speaker 2: back out and do some hunting for sure. I actually
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  Speaker 2: three or four days ago put out a feeder on
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  Speaker 2: different property to get my son, you know, some action
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  Speaker 2: out in the woods.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm actually pretty excited.
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  Speaker 2: I would say there's a lot of people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have a mutual friend out in Alabama that you know,
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  Speaker 2: their their ruts are just I mean, this is like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the exciting time of year for them. Their
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  Speaker 2: ruts are gonna kick off in January, right, So, like
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  Speaker 2: in the same way we've got in like I was
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  Speaker 2: talking about earlier, the brush country South Texas, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: starting to cook down there. I mean, the rut is
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  Speaker 2: picking up. If you are blessed enough to have access
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  Speaker 2: to brush country property like now as the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: from now till through Christmas, you know, is really just good,
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  Speaker 2: good stuff. And the thing about the South is that
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  Speaker 2: we have huge shoulders on our ruts because the there's
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  Speaker 2: not really a need for those to breed in a
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  Speaker 2: certain tight window based off of like cold weather or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: The funds don't necessarily have to be born in a
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  Speaker 2: tight window because of weather, so the same way, the
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  Speaker 2: rut can be spread out a little bit more and
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  Speaker 2: so it makes for like a less intense rut, but
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  Speaker 2: it also makes for a potential that any day you
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  Speaker 2: go out right now you can see rut in action.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, even at home where we have a
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  Speaker 2: mid November you know, I'd say November fourteen or so,
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  Speaker 2: it's been like just the best the best day on
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  Speaker 2: trail camera at home for us. We've seen a buck
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  Speaker 2: that was just dog and doze in late February on
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  Speaker 2: trail camera even at home. So you know, it can
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  Speaker 2: happen at any time, and especially with those windows, you
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  Speaker 2: have these fawns that are born later than normal, which
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  Speaker 2: then they come in to heat in December or January
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  Speaker 2: sometimes and so you know, it can kick the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing back off on any random day. So I guess
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's pretty exciting still to be hunting
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  Speaker 2: in the rut. It's a lot different than the traditional
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  Speaker 2: Midwest white tail where Bill Winki was saying after November
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  Speaker 2: said you might as well hang it up.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't really saying that.
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  Speaker 2: But it's you know, you could tell there was an
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  Speaker 2: urgency prior to that date, you know. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: little different, and it's exciting. I'm excited. And we still,
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  Speaker 2: you know, me and k C at the Element, we've
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  Speaker 2: got quite a bit of hunting left to do. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: we're you know, post Christmas, We've got several things lined
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  Speaker 2: up and we've been booking all this Airbnbs.
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  Speaker 3: And everything, you know, and we're we're excited to go
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  Speaker 3: back out.
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  Speaker 1: So with the with the plan here post Christmas, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, people can maybe move those dates around a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, maybe they have time during Christmas time. What
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  Speaker 1: is kind of your guys' punch list or strategy, so
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you know, connect with connect with the buck here
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  Speaker 1: in the South.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I i'd say if you're if you're coming up
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  Speaker 2: into a rut, I'm probably not supposed to say this,
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  Speaker 2: but there's a there's a version of a can call
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  Speaker 2: that actually we used to laugh about a lot, and
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  Speaker 2: I've seen work really well in the South the last
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  Speaker 2: few years.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That can call can work, uh for guys that are
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  Speaker 2: coming into their ruts, coming up when you get into
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  Speaker 2: the heart of the rut. It's crazy how effective that thing.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it be at times. I like that a lot,
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  Speaker 2: especially a lot of guys they see it may be
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  Speaker 2: from them, it may be from any yeah, yeah, like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the sound. It sounds a lot like a like
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  Speaker 2: a pink or a woodcock, you know. But those like
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  Speaker 2: I like that, especially for guys because a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times people in your neck of the woods they make
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  Speaker 2: these big, huge buck roars and these giant grunts that
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  Speaker 2: sound like, you know, the deepest burp a human can make,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And it's like, well, a Southern deer, it
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  Speaker 2: weighs one hundred and sixty pounds, might not actually sound
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  Speaker 2: like that, right, So these guys see it on TV.
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  Speaker 2: They go to you know, just making these huge deep
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  Speaker 2: roars and stuff. It's like, ah, that's there's not as
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  Speaker 2: many deer in the South sounding like that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: So if you're using that that can call. It's got
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  Speaker 2: it's a little more realistic than what a guy might
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  Speaker 2: have seen on TV. And you can't change the pitch
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that to to sound like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Waddell or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's a that's a good thing for
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  Speaker 2: the rut now if you're if you're on the back
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  Speaker 2: end of the rut here, I think, uh, wheat, wheat
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  Speaker 2: is just hard to beat right now. Corn feeders obviously,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in a state that allows that, which a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the South does. Uh, the deer going to
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  Speaker 2: be carving up, you know, post rut, I think. And
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  Speaker 2: so we're seeing a lot of deer come back to
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  Speaker 2: feeders right now. And I just I still think, uh,
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  Speaker 2: like we were talking about a piece of public in
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  Speaker 2: our home state. I was talking about it with Greg
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and I was like, Man, if there's wheat there.
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  Speaker 3: This, this would be a good spot.
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  Speaker 2: And so in other words, we're looking at deer that
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  Speaker 2: we're trying to pattern to deer moving and you want
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  Speaker 2: to be closer to their.
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  Speaker 3: Betting at this time of the year.
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  Speaker 2: I think, then you do that food source unless you
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  Speaker 2: really get a cold blast, which we just I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot nina year, so we haven't had much
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  Speaker 2: cold weather at all.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick with the with the can call, are you
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  Speaker 1: every twenty minutes flipping that thing over or every hour
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  Speaker 1: or what you see a deer and you flip it
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  Speaker 1: over to see how it reacts? Kind of what what
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  Speaker 1: is the calling sequence for that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we hunt a lot and so you know, for.
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  Speaker 2: You, you're pretty good strategist when it comes to like
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  Speaker 2: having a target buck and a private property, and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: we have some of that, and sometimes we end up
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  Speaker 2: just you know, we're in this state for a week,
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  Speaker 2: so let's hunt and find a hear and be aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: So like for me, I would say, it didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: work for everybody, but we're pretty aggressive.
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  Speaker 3: So I would call like I would.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'd call every fifteen minutes during the rut like
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  Speaker 2: I would. I mean, if you're going to rattle same
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  Speaker 2: thing like in the South, you may not make, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your rattling sequence sound like two one sixties fight, and
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  Speaker 2: you may make it sound a little thinner horned or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You may be a little less aggressive personally, like using
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  Speaker 2: especially on still days. It will get this time of
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  Speaker 2: year in the evenings when we have south winds or
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  Speaker 2: east winds. I like sounding like two little dinkers that
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  Speaker 2: are just messing around. And if you've ever watched it,
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  Speaker 2: or you've never watched it, you should try to find
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  Speaker 2: a YouTube clip of a couple of one to two
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  Speaker 2: year olds just kind of not really fighting, but sparring.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that carries through the woods and
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  Speaker 2: doing that every fifteen minutes or whatever for one or
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  Speaker 2: two minutes, it's a good idea. I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: good idea. Same with the can call doing it often.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think, yeah, testing it on bucks, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's not a target buck, as long as you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to blow you know, you got to be
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  Speaker 2: careful not to call a one year old over and
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  Speaker 2: then he blows the entire woods out. You know, once
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  Speaker 2: he once, he wins you. So that's the one, the
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  Speaker 2: one thing you got to watch for there. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean seeing it how they react. But I mean
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you in the South that that can
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  Speaker 2: call works pretty good when the rut's pretty high.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I really do like it, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I You're right, it does seem like those things get
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  Speaker 1: made fun of. But if they work. Nothing funny about that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we've laughed our heads off and talked about it
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  Speaker 3: for years.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, we did the buck Truck series
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  Speaker 2: for me Eater in twenty twenty two and if you
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  Speaker 2: can go watch in the Arkansas episode, I can't call
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  Speaker 2: two bucks, and I mean one of them comes to
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  Speaker 2: I think thirty seven or something like that and the
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  Speaker 2: other one is like fifty five.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean it worked really well.
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  Speaker 2: And that's on public land, you know, that's where they
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  Speaker 2: hear calling every once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they probably don't hear that because everyone they
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  Speaker 1: say to do something works, I know. Maybe that's why
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  Speaker 1: that does the trick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go, you know, go go to the trends
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  Speaker 2: that were popular in the nineties and or early two thousands,
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  Speaker 2: and people aren't using anymore and they probably stand a
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  Speaker 2: chance of working and nobody else is using them, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, no, that's exciting, so real quick. The seventeenth
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  Speaker 1: to Christmas Eve scale one to ten in your neck
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  Speaker 1: of the woods, ten being the best, one being one
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  Speaker 1: of the worst weeks of the year. Where are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna put.
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  Speaker 2: It in my neck of the woods, I'd say.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I'm not gonna give it the Midwest six.
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  Speaker 2: What's called a seven if you have food? I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a seven. Okay, Yeah, I think there's like I
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  Speaker 2: think that you're going to be coming back to feeders.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna be on wheat fields. If we can get weather,
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  Speaker 2: which I hadn't looked at the weather. I know we
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  Speaker 2: have some kind of stable weather the first part of
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  Speaker 2: this week. But if we can get a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of weather, I think that it's a really good time
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  Speaker 2: to find a big buck, maybe checking for the last doze,
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  Speaker 2: but knowing that the food source is there to really
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  Speaker 2: kind of be the destination.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. Well, Tyler, if people want to fall
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  Speaker 1: along with your guys the season and all the hunts
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  Speaker 1: that you guys have done literally across it feels like
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  Speaker 1: the entire country, and that probably is a pretty fair
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  Speaker 1: word to say say it. Where can they go watch
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  Speaker 1: all those?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I appreciate you allow me to do this,
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  Speaker 2: but uh, the Element Hunting is a good search on
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  Speaker 2: YouTube and you'll you'll find our channel.
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  Speaker 3: If you search the Element you might find a skateboard brand.
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  Speaker 2: So Putting Hunting in there is a pretty good idea
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  Speaker 2: and you can just yeah, you can follow along with
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  Speaker 2: what we've been doing.
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  Speaker 3: We're, uh, we're putting out videos.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the rut November is pretty tough for us
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  Speaker 2: to get videos out sometimes, so but we're back to
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  Speaker 2: putting out videos pretty regularly right now.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, we.
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  Speaker 2: Just travel all over and hunt stuff and you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes we shoot them, sometimes we don't. But you can
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  Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Too.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Tyler. Good luck the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the year, and I hope you and your family
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  Speaker 1: have an awesome Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks you too, Jake.
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  Speaker 1: All right, next up, I have my good friend David Powell.
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  Speaker 1: David a lot of places. He's been spending a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time in Kansas. How's it going going well, Jake?
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  Speaker 4: How about yourself?
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  Speaker 1: It's going great, It's it's going great. It's actually snowing
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  Speaker 1: right here in Illinois right now. We're supposed to get
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  Speaker 1: more snow and more cold weather. So as a deer
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  Speaker 1: hunter this time of year, that's that's okay with me.
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  Speaker 1: What's been going on here? I know you're traveling here
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  Speaker 1: a little bit for the holidays, but how has the
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  Speaker 1: hunting been specifically in Kansas here recently?
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  Speaker 5: You know big bucks have still been hitting the ground.
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  Speaker 5: Rifle season just closed down a week or so ago.
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  Speaker 5: I have noticed that it seems like the bucks are
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  Speaker 5: getting back to food sources to try to replennge some
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  Speaker 5: of that that body weight was lost maybe during the
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  Speaker 5: chasing phase. So I'm concentrating my efforts on and around
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  Speaker 5: food sources. I think that you know I've been chasing
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  Speaker 5: a big deer. I confided in you earlier in the
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  Speaker 5: season that there's a big deer while out that's chase
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  Speaker 5: still continues. Oh, but I wasn't able to catch up
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  Speaker 5: with him early in year, like I hope. Typically he
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  Speaker 5: makes a journey an excursion to the south right I
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  Speaker 5: don't have access, but usually about this time he comes
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  Speaker 5: back home. As a matter of fact, in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 5: I encountered that deer on the twenty second of December,
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  Speaker 5: bumped him from out of a travel corridor.
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  Speaker 4: And I remembered that.
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  Speaker 5: And then a few days later I was in the
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  Speaker 5: tree and he came down that travel corridor again on
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  Speaker 5: his way to food. Unfortunately, I was managed to miss
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  Speaker 5: that dear at seventeen yards. But the good news is
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  Speaker 5: he's survived and this year he's you know, two years later,
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  Speaker 5: he's even more significant than he was that year.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And so you mentioned a really interesting thing there.
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  Speaker 1: You were hunting a travel corridor to food. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of times people want to hunt over food.
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  Speaker 1: With that said, obviously there's added benefits there, potentially easier
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  Speaker 1: to get out of there. Do you want to talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about the strategy now that you have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years of history at an encounter,
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  Speaker 1: you know, within within the danger zone. Is that still
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  Speaker 1: top of mind as we you know, are looking deeper
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  Speaker 1: into December, you know that. Do you think history will
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: repeat itself in that same pinch?
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: I'm certainly hoping so. So I mentioned to you that
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: the deer takes an excursion. I left Kansas yesterday, flew
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: to central Ohio and back in the east for some
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: some holiday uh get together with the.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Family and others. But as I was leaving, I did get.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: Some photo overnight and I had hung a new camera
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: uh in in that same corridor. I hung that camera
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: the first series of pictures I got. After I left,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: I realized that it needed to be lowered just a bit.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: But the deer is a very distinctive fork on the
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: left side of his on the left side of his rack.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: And uh, yesterday morning as I was head of the airport,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I got a photo of that distinctive left fork.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's him. He's returned.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: History is hopefully you know, he's back in his traditional
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: winter area. And my hope is that whenever I get back,
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: I'll be able to get back in that travel corridor
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: and maybe catch up with it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: That that's spot where he had an opportunity in the past.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: How far off of the food source was that it
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: is one hundred yards two hundred yards seventy yards.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I'm about two two hundred to two hundred and fifty
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: yards off the main food source. The food source I'll
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: describe for you is an oakmont. It's about it's about
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: twenty two acres of pinoaks at the end of about.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: The travel corridor is about one point three miles.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Betting area is all along that travel corridor, but oftentimes
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: throughout the year it's it's towards the lower end of that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: So they're coming somewhere from anywhere from a quarter mile
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: to nearly a mile away.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: And I because that because that Oakmont is so large.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: You know, twenty two acres isn't overly large, but it's
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: it's big when you're trying.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: To bet an narrow and a deer.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: And so I'd rather focus on I'd rather focus on
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: his travel to that area as to which specific tree
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: I need to be in within that twenty two acres
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: And that's that's that worked out well for me previous
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: sleep and let's hope that that can happen again this year.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I think a lot of people
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: here are wondering and trying to strategize when is the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: time to go and apply pressure, right Like these deer
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: have been pressured, you know, in some areas pretty heavily
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: throughout the year. Knowing windows of opportunity are frankly closing
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: for this season. When you're going to be looking here
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in the next week when you when you get back
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: to Kansas to do a little bit more hunting, are
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you watching the weather most specifically or or is the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: wind more important for the deer to travel with the
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: wind you know, poor into or in favor to like
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: what's kind of the plan? Like, Okay, I'm going to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: go in there and I'm going to try and I hope,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I hope it comes together, Like what's the hierarchy of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: decisions there?
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: The window was closing, as you said, And I don't
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: want to throw I don't want to throw time in there.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: That would be detrimental to future efforts.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, there's only so many days
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: left in the season, so wind is going to be
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: a factor. It's not going to be determining factor if
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I hunt that day. It's going to be the determining
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: factor on which side of that travel corridor I.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Happen to be on it.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: Also, weather, I'd love to have cold weather, so he
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: gets on his feet early and wants to get in.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: There and and and begin to.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Feed before before it gets too late, or maybe even
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: feed throughout the day. But if if we've got eighty
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: degree depatures, I hope that's not the case. But because
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: I've got just a few days left, I will be
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: in there.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Somch what just jumping around here a little bit. So
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: obviously you grew up in West Virginia. Is that you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: grew up there, right? So I want you to I
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: want you to jump back to someone that's listening in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. They still have a tag in their pocket?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: What was your what was your back of tricks for
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: this time a year in West Virginia.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: So I've got a good friend who's kind of in
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: a similar situation. He's been chasing a deer all year
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: long back in West Virginia. It's a very significant deer.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: This guy is a big buck killer. Uh at to Jamie.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: But he is a big buck killer and he knows
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: what he's doing. This deer has been given him the slip.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: I think that he is, like, like I am planning
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: to do, is going to start concentrating more on the
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: food sources out of the areas where he has been
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: trying to catch up with the deer chasing chasing does
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: and I would encourage him to put the time in
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: whenever he has opportunity to be in the stand. Make
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: sure he's cognizant of the wind, but don't let him
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: keep him from hunting. But really focus on those food sources,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: and if you're able to narrow down how they're accessing
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: those food sources, particularly on days where that might not
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: be ideal and they might not be wanting to get
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: up until right at dark, I encourage Jamie to move
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: off that food source down down the travel way a
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: bit so that he can intercept them before shooting black expires.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It is often a little fascinating if you're in a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: spot where you can see the deer travel. They can
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: cover three, four or five hundred yards pretty quickly when
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: it's cold, and you know, you see him like you're
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: watching the clock. Oh man, we only have fifteen twenty
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: more minutes. And you look back up and they're like, oh,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: they're half the distance. You look back up again. Now
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: they're they're getting in within a striking zone. So I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: feel that depending on setups and cover and everything else
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in between there, But I wouldn't like, personally, I wouldn't
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: feel terrible if it's like, Okay, I think he's six
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: seven hundred yards away, betted here, the weather's right, pretty
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: darn good chance. If you have to correct food source,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he'll be there. Would you say that's a fair way
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to describe it, because I'm I'm picturing your Kansas set
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: up there miles kind of far. But they can cover
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that pretty quick.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, especially if the weather has them on their feet.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: You know, cold, cold temperatures will be in our favor.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I believe my hope is that it plays out that way,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: even if we can get a little skiff of snow
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: on the ground where you've got to come up there
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and begin to pall at the ground and look for
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: those acres.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: But we'll see what happens.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: But I think that that mile, you know, not only
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: that the deer that I'm interested in, but every deer
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: around the area is going to be focusing on food
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: and they're going to be trying to their way to
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: that oakmoth that I talked about.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: MM, is that pretty much the main food source for
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that you know general area?
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Is there?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Like is there like a winter wee field that obviously
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: there's feeders in Kansas? Like how much is that detrimental
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to you know, your particular setup.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: So we've got we've got some ag in the area,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: but cornfield has been picked, Beanfield has been picked. They
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: do get in there at night and scavenge some of
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: the some of the drop that's that's left in the field,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: but by and large, they seem to be the particular
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: agfields I'm thinking of are somewhat exposed, and I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: they're very hesitant to be out there during daylight hours.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: There the oak moth that I'm talking about is very secluded.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: It gets virtually no pressure other than the pressure that
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: I might put on it. And uh, it seems to
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: be an open smortas board form throughout the day.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful. So looking here ahead of a head of schedule,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the holidays, uh sometimes gives people a little
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: bit opportunity to maybe sneak out hunt. You know, the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: seventeenth to Christmas Eve known the weather, known the conditions,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: time of year on a scale one to ten, ten
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: being the very best week of the year, one being
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: one of the worst weeks of the year. Where do
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you throw the next seven days at?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: You know, if we get the right weather, I'm going
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: to say it should be seven to eight. I feel
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: that good about it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. So do you think you'll be in
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that tree on the twenty second?
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: I anticipate being in that tree, maybe the twenty second
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: through the end of the year, if necessary, in and
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: around that tree. I don't want to overhook one spot,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: but yes, I and to the point that even though
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I I'm primarily a saddle hundred these days, my platform
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: is hanging in that tree right now. My saddle platform
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: is hanging in that tree right now with anticipation when
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I get back, I'll be in there.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Here's this side tangic question, how many saddle platforms do
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you have? Because I wonder that's I like, I talked
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to a lot of guys obviously, and it's like, I
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: no quite a few that have like two or three
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: saddle platforms to where they can kind of rotate. Is
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that do you fall in that category?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I have four. I have three that I use primarily.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: I've got one that is a it's carbon fiber, the
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: large stand that Tether makes in carbon fiber, and that's
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: the one I leave in the tree if I know
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: that it's going to be a place and I'm going
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: to revisit. But I really prefer they're small carbon fiber predator.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: I carry that with me pretty pretty religiously. And then
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I've got a I've got the old car, the old predator,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: the metal version that when I need something extra, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: can fall back on it. But I'm typically packing that
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: small carbon fiber predator. I've got one stick that that
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: is available to me, but I don't use all that often.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny just the transition of saddle hunting.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's like it's almost somewhat reverting back to to having
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like obviously multiple multiple spots. But I think having multiple
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: platforms makes total and perfect sense instead of having to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: fully tear up and tear down every single time, especially
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: spot you plan and returning.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: One of the things I've been doing is, and I
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: kind of got this from from Eberhart.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I know that he preps trees in advance.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: So one of the things I've been doing I bought
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: a big spool of pair cord and throughout the season,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: early in the season especially, but throughout the season, if
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: it's a spot I want to return back to, I'm
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: putting a pair of cord loop in that tree over
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: over a branch ahead, over a branch up ahead, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: I will get there that morning time.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I tether too that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: I use a full length repair repel rope and I
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: do this, pull it up and over loop it in there,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: and I can get back up that tree very quietly
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: without having to get in there and cut limbs and
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: make a path through the through the understory to get
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: up to the canopy.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: It works out very very well for me.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Well, David, I hope you have
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a great holiday, a great uh travel here, and I hope,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like heck, you get to seal you get to seal
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the final chatter in the story. I'm really rooting for you.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Jake, I appreciate that. Merry Christmas to you
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: and your listeners. Before we run, are you have you
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: had some success this year? Tell me about the one
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: that I know that you've been chasing.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the one of it chasing he he's still alive, which, honestly,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: now at this point of the season, I'm hopeful that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he Honestly, it's kind of sick. You were trying to,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: like heck to kill him and now you're like, well,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing on earth
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: if he lives another year. And then I actually shot
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a buck last weekend during our firearm season, a mature
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: buck that I was hoping to kill. I basically built
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: my season into two different legs. Leg one is one
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of two bucks till the end of Thanksgiving. Week of Thanksgiving,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: if I'm unsuccessful, I'm going mature buck hunting, And frankly,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that was a lot easier than trying to kill just
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: darn one deer. So it's been good.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: You mentioned that it wouldn't disappoint you if that deer
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: makes it through. That kind of coincides with something that
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: hurt Don. You can say earlier this week on the
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: white Tail Masterclass.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: That I heard, Yeah, yeah, they make it this far.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, gosh, maybe they'll make it the rest
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of the way. And it is. It's always fluid, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you can't be married to an idea. But now it's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: been a really fun and exciting season and I hope
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I get a text message enter around the twenty second
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: that they connect with that deer.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Jake, I really appreciate once again married Christmas.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: On all right. Next up on the line, we have
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Bo Martonic with eats East meets West.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: How's it going good, Jake, It's good to catch up
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: with you man.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, We're we're getting deeper and deeper into December,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and for people to have a tag in their pocket,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they're probably getting more and more nervous. But we've had
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: some good conditions. Pennsylvania's closed for the next seven days,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: so I know you still have a tag in West Virginia,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but as you know, overall, I know you were just
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in Ohio. What have you been seeing as far as
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: deer activity, you know, through cameras, observation, friends, buddies, kind
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of across the board.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: Man, it's been. It's actually been pretty dang good across
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: the board. The weather has been. I mean, we have
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: a pretty early winner as when you look at the
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: average over the last you know, five six years. Last
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: year we have some snow, but this year is like
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: snow all of December here, cold weather. Right now it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: six degrees at my house, so it's like it's pretty
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: pretty cold weather. And been seeing the deer putting on
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: the feedbags a little bit more and moving even after
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: gun season here in Pennsylvania, just closing still seeing deer
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: on their feet in daylight camera activity for the most part.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: I haven't been out here, but yeah, it's been. It's
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: been pretty good as far as that goes.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: And so for someone that's hunting, you know, more eastern easterly, yeah,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you know, very little ag just for just for a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: dummy like me. What is the primary food source in
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: your neck of the woods for this time of year?
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: Snow on the ground, So honestly, acorns are are probably
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: top of that where that could get a little bit
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: more difficult here coming probably in the in the coming weeks,
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: is we have a little bit of a thaw coming
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: up towards the end of this week, and then it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: gonna get cold again, so you start getting that freezing layer,
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: it's harder to dig down for the deer to get
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: to those acorns. So my personal opinion, if I were
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: to be hunting this week, I'd be wanting an area
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: that did have acorns still, but also a ton of brows,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: you know, green brier, BlackBerry briers, things like that that
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: they're nipping on and being able to to you to
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: browse on in the area where there's acorns. In addition,
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: places that have spring seats stuff like that that might
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: stay thought a little bit longer as far as they're
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: not going to completely freeze up and they can still
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: dig some of those, you know, the acorns and food
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: that's on the ground.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And so if you had a rank your favorite acorn
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: for this time of year, do you have one or
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is it just a matter of finding acorns?
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: They're eating whatever's there, honestly, but it seems like red
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: oak and chestnut oak seemed to be the ones that
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: are left on the ground.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Right now.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And I know you recently shot a deer in Ohio
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: with snow on the ground. How did that come together?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's non you know out of state hunt. Was that
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a new area area you've hunted in the past, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: how did it all come together?
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: So I'd hunted the area in October for like two
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: days during bo season, went back to that area. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: had three days to hunt with a gun and didn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: the area I was in, the acorns were kind of
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: scooped up already. I'd sat all day the first day
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: gun season. I don't like walking around and bumping deer
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: to other people. So I sat all day nothing and
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: went back the next morning after some snow, and then
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: I realized, I was like, there's.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: The acorns are gone.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: I kind of went in blind and just set up
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: based on what I saw in October. And so I
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: moved to a completely new area that I hadn't been
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: before and started finding a ton of acorns. And really,
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: to make a long story short with it, what it
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: came down to is there was digging everywhere. There's a
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: lot of acorns on these ridges, and I just kept
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: kind of pushing to where it was starting to get thicker.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: And I think the thing is that makes it difficult,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: especially when you going out to state hunt this time
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: of year is like when you see snow is such
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: a great teacher. You can learn so much by seeing
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: where they're feeding at, seeing the tracks, seeing the beds,
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: where you can almost get over excited because you'll see
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: beds all over in the oak trees and where they're
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: feeding at, but it's likely nighttime activity. So and figuring
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: out what that area looks like for quote unquote thickness
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: is also very different. There's some areas that you can
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: go that's very thick everyone, and that's different than an
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: area that's just mature timber. And then all of a
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: sudden you get a green brier patch and some vines
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  Speaker 7: and some other blowdowns that start to create better security
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  Speaker 7: habitat as well as brows around that. So where I
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: ended up catching up with this buck was I got
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: into this big bowl system.
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  Speaker 6: So there's a.
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  Speaker 7: Couple of finger ridges that ran off a main ridge
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  Speaker 7: in a bowl that had a bunch of like kind
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: of spring seeps running through it and created some more vegetation.
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  Speaker 6: So there was a ton of green brier in there.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: There was some oak trees acorns that were kind of
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: like funneling down because of the way the terrain that
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: acorns had rolled down into some of those little gullies
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  Speaker 7: and created like a concentrated spot for it. And up
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: above was just a nasty thicket that was on top
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: of the ridge. And when i'd snuck in there that
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: day it was about one o'clock, I'd seen three different
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: bucks bedded down actually in the center of that bowl,
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: on this little tiny bump or high spot of greenbrier,
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: and they were actually fighting and doing stuff middle of
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: the day, just you know, a couple of younger bucks
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: in one. It was a pretty decent one that I
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: took a lot of self control for me not to
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: pull the trigger on, and I just ended up still hunting.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: My way through there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: Came back and I went out, and I thought I'd
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: kind of blown up the area. And this is a
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: lesson that I think is something I've learned before and
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: I had to relearn on this hunt. Was I was
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: going through there, and when you get into a bowl,
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: wind swirl, and so I've got wind going up to
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: where I think the rest of the deer might be bedded.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: I've got it going down I'm like, all right, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: blew out that area.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: So I went back out to the point of the
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: ridge and sat for the evening. And I was sitting
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: there and I'm just like, there's not a deer coming
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: in here. You know, you just get that feeling of
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: like you're just sitting here just to sit here. And
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: I was like, I need to go back to that bowl.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, I knew I already kind of blew
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: it up two and a half three hours before that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: But I mean, they're always getting wind of things that
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: are danger It doesn't mean they're.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Gonna run or not do anything.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: I haven't been there in a while, so I snuck
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: back in there before last night, and uh, the biggest
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: year that I had seen in the area came out
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: of that thicket and walked into fifty yards for me,
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: where I shot them with the with the muzzloader.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of a lot of good
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: lessons in there. You find the spot in the spot,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, yeah, no, that's really.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: It's right, And I was.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: It was the last day I had to hunt, so
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: I was like kind of trying to push the envelope
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: a little bit and be a little more aggressive with
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: it instead of just you know, sitting there all day.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: But that would have been the right move once I
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: saw those bucks in there, like all right, I found
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: the concentration of the year where they feel good.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Maybe I should just sit here the rest of the day.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: But the whole the whole point, and you know, even
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: telling that story is I think when it comes to
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: late season, something that I've been hunting of the last
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: four or five years is and when you're in big Timber,
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: not a lot of ads finding that food, but also
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: that security and browse cover that's all in that one spot.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: Being able to decipher the sign between nighttime and daytime,
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: and especially when you don't have cameras to run or
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: you're not using cameras in there, it's it's kind of
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: feeling it out a little bit.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know, looking here for the next
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: seven days, you call it seventeenth to Christmas Eve. For
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: someone that is going to be able to hunt this
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: weekend or maybe they have, you know, the work schedule
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit is a little bit lighter over the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: next seven days, what would you tell them to focus
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: on kind of no matter where they're at in the country.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so personally, like it depends. I'm going to say
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: one thing, It depends a little bit. Honestly, No, it
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: doesn't depend. But I do like the fact that there
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: is a little bit of a warm up coming. It
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: seems like in late season when you have you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: single degree temps depending on where you're at, Like for
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: us here, that's not typical this time of year, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: you know, we usually have snow on the ground, maybe
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: a little colder.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: But really cold temps.
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: It it almost seems like it not locks them down,
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: but they're conserving their energy a little bit more. But
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: once you get some warm up, you get some mid
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: thirties into that forty degree a little bit, it feels
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: like in some some ways out it feels like a
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: heat wave to it, and it almost seems like those
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: deer get up and are feeding more earlier moving around.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: So if that's happening in your area, definitely take advantage
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: of it. But I mean, food, you hear it all
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: the time when it comes to late season, doesn't matter
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: if you're an ad country where you're at, food is
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: definitely king in a lot of that spot. But definitely
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: don't overlook the cover aspect of it. And covers easier
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: to find now with the leaves being off the trees,
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: it's a little more concentrated. So that's that's what I
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: would look at to find an area to go to.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: No, that's great now, scale one to ten, one being
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: one of the worst weeks of the year, ten being
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: one of the best weeks of the year over the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: next seven days December seventeenth of the twenty fourth. Where
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: do you put it for you yourself? If you're going
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to be able to get out and go to West Virginia.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Or something, Yeah, I am not going to be able to.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: But how I would.
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: Put it is I'd probably give it a seven. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: would rank it higher, but in most of these states
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: here gun season had just closed, so that does add
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: a little bit more on the pressure aspect of it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I would put it at seven.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And if people want to tune into your podcast and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: follow along for the remainder of the season, or maybe
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they had a tough season and they want to learn more,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: where should they go and listen to your podcast?
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can find it a Spotify, Apple East Meats
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: West Hunt, or on YouTube just under my name Bomartnic.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: You can find podcasting there and all the links to
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: everything that East meets us hun dot com.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Awesome. We thank you so much.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Bo Yeah, thanks Jake.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: There, you guys have it. I hope you have a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: great week. I hope you guys have a great Christmas.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I hope you get all your Christmas shopping done and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: get a chance to sneak out and either bear the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: elements or enjoy a mini heatwave and hopefully connect with
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the deer, or just get out there and ultimately enjoy it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: We will see you next week. See you