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He lost $350 MILLION Gambling! Terry Watanabe's FIRST Interview · WiseKracks

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to Wisecracks. We have a special
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  Speaker 1: edition this week. A friend of mine I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: to for a couple of years and finally got him
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  Speaker 1: mom and came into Vegas. John and I went to
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  Speaker 1: dinner with him. Yesterday, I went to breakfast with him,
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  Speaker 1: learned more about him personally. Uh, Terry, wanton on me. Terry,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on with us. We really appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your flying. You flew into Vegas for this, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's great, that's wonderful. Terry. Last night we went to dinner. First,
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  Speaker 1: I'll start off like this, nothing to do with anything,
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  Speaker 1: and the waitress called us babe. Thought that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of funny. So in one week twice I got called
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  Speaker 1: sweetheart and babe. I think we're back. I think we're
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  Speaker 1: past all the cancel culture back. Wow. So Terry, let's
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  Speaker 1: before we tell people a little bit more about you.
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  Speaker 1: I want to find out when you were young, when
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  Speaker 1: you were a kid, when you were when you were
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  Speaker 1: a child, did you you're gambling in your family? Did
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  Speaker 1: your mom and dad gamble a little bit? Were you
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  Speaker 1: in Vegas you were living? Where?
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  Speaker 2: Tell us tell the viewing audience.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's gambles. My father was a bookie, okay, and
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  Speaker 3: I did his creatively.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, and the book say he.
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  Speaker 3: Where there, and so his vacation was okay, Vegas fore yep.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's great because you see what you just said.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of the gambling families. John, He just
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  Speaker 1: said he thought his vacation was the family's vacation.
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  Speaker 2: He went to Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: That's your vacation, come with me, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: like Chevy Chase and Vegas vacation. He went out gambling
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  Speaker 1: to defend I do what you want.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the kids, So you're a young kid thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was like seventy eight.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And now did did you say you knew gambling
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  Speaker 1: at a young age? Yes? And uh so this is
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  Speaker 1: back in the sixties. I would think that you said
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  Speaker 1: your dad came to town, and at dinner I found out.
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  Speaker 1: This was shocking to me that, uh that Michael Gon
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  Speaker 1: who owns the South Point, his dad was Jackie Gone
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  Speaker 1: legend in this town, legendary downtown legend, one of the
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  Speaker 1: one of the really uh characters in this town. And
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of those old school bookmakers used
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  Speaker 1: to lay off their bets and we had we had
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  Speaker 1: we had bookmaking joints in town that weren't casinos. They
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  Speaker 1: were just bookmaking joints for sports and horses. So your
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  Speaker 1: dad was Jackie Gone's bookmaker. Jackie would lay off to
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  Speaker 1: your father. So that is wild, isn't it? But I
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  Speaker 1: knew what happened. I knew I know other people that
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  Speaker 1: had layoff books. They would call Kansas City, Chicago, different
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  Speaker 1: places and that. And where were you living at the time, Omaha, Nebraska,
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  Speaker 1: where I thought there wasn't even gambling. That's amazing, especially
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  Speaker 1: a Japanese business. I just wouldn't think they would even gamble.
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  Speaker 1: So gambling was a rite of passage for Terry like
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  Speaker 1: it was for me as a kid. And it's so
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  Speaker 1: cool now.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think it was cool back then when you
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  Speaker 5: were middled Like do you remember what age you were
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  Speaker 5: at when you were like, I like the action, I
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  Speaker 5: like the gambling.
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  Speaker 6: Do you remember.
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  Speaker 1: Five or six? See meet too? At nine?
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  Speaker 2: We were in it.
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  Speaker 1: My father was screaming and yel on the TV. We did, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we did, we did. We didn't though, remember the keno
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  Speaker 1: in the coffee shop that used to fill out the
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  Speaker 1: kenos in the coffee shop. The girl would run around
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  Speaker 1: a knot runner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So your first time gambling in a casino, though you
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  Speaker 1: told me last night, was about fourteen. Wow, I thought
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  Speaker 1: I was bet at sixteen, fourteen years old, you were
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  Speaker 1: in a casino playing black jackets. And now when they
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  Speaker 1: questioned you, what would you or would anyone not question you?
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  Speaker 2: Security that point was not very provision.
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  Speaker 1: They were, They weren't. They were more laxed than You're right.
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  Speaker 6: They were looking for bad guys.
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  Speaker 2: They were looking for bad guys. Yeah, yeah, so I'll do.
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  Speaker 3: And even though it's probably twelve, I was white and
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  Speaker 3: it was seazy jeope.
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  Speaker 1: Just start speaking Japanese and automatically that makes you sound
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  Speaker 1: so more so you know it's yours.
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  Speaker 2: And let's not mess with me Japanese.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let him play. And they just didn't mess with you. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's so good. Your dad was involved in many other
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  Speaker 1: companies before Oriental Trading, right, he built up a bankroll.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I should my mind's always saying
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  Speaker 1: bankroll like gaming. He built up different companies and he
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  Speaker 1: had different companies before he was he was the bookmaker
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  Speaker 1: first when he was younger, but he maybe used that
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  Speaker 1: book making stake to be the person he was later
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  Speaker 1: in life. God wow wow and Oriental Trading. What year
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  Speaker 1: did you start working for him? Well, I should say
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  Speaker 1: what age did you start working for him? Ah? Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you were a little kid working in the company. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And Terry sent me some things before he came to town,
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  Speaker 1: some bags of it like the googlely hyeballs stuff I
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  Speaker 1: used to love when I was a kid. So Terry's
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  Speaker 1: you still have a lot of those things, and thank
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  Speaker 1: you for that wonderful array of just different things. But
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  Speaker 1: I know as you got older, you took this company
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  Speaker 1: to the next level, So your dad's ky. I've read
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  Speaker 1: some stories about were you're like twenty three or twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: and you were the CEO of the company at that
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  Speaker 1: young age, traveling all the time. Your life was consumed
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  Speaker 1: by this company, it seems like to me from what
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  Speaker 1: I read, so you were going internationally back and forth
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  Speaker 1: to China and different companies, Asia and the United States,
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  Speaker 1: back and forth constantly. Right, Okay, what was at the peak?
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  Speaker 1: What did you take this company to? What was your
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  Speaker 1: monthly revenue that you took this company to fifty million
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  Speaker 1: a month? Because I've actually heard of oriotal trading. When
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid, I heard of it, I just
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what it was. So you built up this
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  Speaker 1: company to the level. But yet you never really had
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  Speaker 1: the uh, the the urge to go gambling. At twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, you were you were working at this time.
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  Speaker 1: My business is the business was gambling.
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  Speaker 6: That was your rush. Yes, wow, long hours, long days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you you your father. When your dad passed away,
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  Speaker 1: you were left this company. You and your your family,
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  Speaker 1: brother and sister, just myself, just just yourself. So you
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  Speaker 1: had this company and you actually sold your end in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand to Berkshire Hathaways No to another another company
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  Speaker 1: that eventually they took it over. But you had some dealings.
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  Speaker 1: You said with Warren Buffett personally, yeah it has in
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  Speaker 1: him and.
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  Speaker 2: Said, oh okay, it likes so much. Okay he is
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  Speaker 2: he willing to meaning for the rest of your life. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: that really gotcha?
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: I have not asked you this yet.
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  Speaker 1: So you after you sold the company, what did you do,
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  Speaker 1: like was an idle mind a devil's playground or do
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  Speaker 1: you think about going to gamble? Or actually what I
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  Speaker 1: read was you did open up like a restaurant. You
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  Speaker 1: tried to open up a restaurant, You tried to get
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  Speaker 1: some other businesses. I'm sure from last night's dinner I
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  Speaker 1: heard you talk about this. I heard your friends say
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  Speaker 1: say this. You probably had some people around you that
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  Speaker 1: were bad people. You probably had some people steal some
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  Speaker 1: money from you, from you, people that you were friends.
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  Speaker 1: Millions of dollars, eleven millions a lot, yeah, one person,
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  Speaker 1: eleven million years. Jesus, Wow, friends that long. Wow, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's sad, but it's going I knew how to be
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  Speaker 1: scammed out of money. But you decided to keep yourself
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  Speaker 1: a little more busy. So you opened up a company, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: you opened up a charity, a charitable trust, and you
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  Speaker 1: gave away millions of your own money. Yes, to research
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  Speaker 1: for cancer and different causes for age research, cancer researches,
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  Speaker 1: and so you've did that, and you and you were
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  Speaker 1: you consumed with that at all? Did you go into
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  Speaker 1: an office every day?
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  Speaker 2: Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Like? I have a friend back in New York that
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  Speaker 1: has a charity, and he gets consumed with the charity.
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  Speaker 1: He does Teddy, how's he gets consumed with raising money
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  Speaker 1: and making the sure people? Did you did you do
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  Speaker 1: that at all, or you were a little bit bored,
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  Speaker 1: and and then you said, let me take a trip.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm leading here, guys and leading
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of the questions, Terry was so nice enough.
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  Speaker 1: Terry had a few mini strokes. Am I saying it right? Recently?
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  Speaker 1: But you've recovered. I can understand you. I could talk
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  Speaker 1: to you. I first thought I was really nervous for you,
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  Speaker 1: but I told me. We even rushed in the interview.
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  Speaker 1: You wanted to come in town. I said, come on,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. So that's why I'm like leading based on
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  Speaker 1: stuff I read, basely talked the base on stuff we
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  Speaker 1: talked about. So I want to know when did you
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  Speaker 1: start gambling to a level that is life changing for
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  Speaker 1: most of us people? So when did you? Did you?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a local casino by your house that people
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  Speaker 1: I started online?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? So it was the fit and they.
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  Speaker 3: Yel credit for three said oh wow, right, and I
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  Speaker 3: was paid in two days?
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  Speaker 2: Wow fifty thousand, Yeah, and you paid it in two days? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Did did did you say online gambling?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? In two thousand, Yes, that's when it just came about.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I didn't even realize.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they had, they had they had the bookmakers for
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  Speaker 1: I was playing back in the nineties, so I know
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  Speaker 1: that at sites, and I guess they had online casinos.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I trust.
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  Speaker 5: Them blackjack online or slut wow wow?
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  Speaker 2: What do you what do you think? What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: You remember boxing? They used to have this big Every
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  Speaker 1: ring had a golden golden that's it, golden something they
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  Speaker 1: put on their back, their back, golden at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of their shoes because they went there they get knocked out.
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of it. Golden, that's right, golden something golden.
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  Speaker 1: One of the viewers are gonna know. I'm gonna look
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  Speaker 1: it up right now, are you okay? I have to know. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: that was a big one. So that was around two thousands.
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  Speaker 1: So what was your losses to the online sites?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think? Probably thirty million?
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  Speaker 1: You lost three million, thirty million? Yeah, I hate to
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  Speaker 1: say it. I mean, these guys, I just don't know
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  Speaker 1: back then, how can they have been on the up
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  Speaker 1: and up. I mean I'm just saying like, like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I can't trust online gambling. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's being done and here, if it's the golden
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  Speaker 1: Palace was right, and then we're not saying it was
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  Speaker 1: Golden Palace. But here cyber space, Costa Rica, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where it's at. Thirty million dollars he lost. I
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  Speaker 1: did not know that. So this thirty million dollars, So
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  Speaker 1: that really started.
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  Speaker 5: When you lose thirty million at that point? Is does
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  Speaker 5: that hurt you? Or was that time you're making so
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  Speaker 5: much money? It really wasn't that big of the deal.
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  Speaker 6: That's a game.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, John loves gambling. As you can tell, his leg
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  Speaker 1: is shaken, he's starting to drool, he's ready to roll. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but let's.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get to the real number.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think you lost lifetime gambling including that
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  Speaker 1: thirty million, three and fifty million. The bulk of that
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  Speaker 1: probably to the Seizures Corporation, the Seizures Corporation, and that
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  Speaker 1: was in two and a half years.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, wow, that's just no one.
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  Speaker 3: People you were living here at the time, or are
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  Speaker 3: still living in the suite, living in a suite on property.
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  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, in two thousand and seven, Caesar's Corporation
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  Speaker 1: said five point six of its entire gambling revenue came
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  Speaker 1: from you alone. Yes, of their entire money came from
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  Speaker 1: Terry Wantanabi. I don't think anyone else has ever done
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. There's and it can't happen now with
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  Speaker 1: the everyone wants to make sure that they have the
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  Speaker 1: new laws in effect now. But when you first started
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  Speaker 1: coming to town gambling, what was the casino of your choice?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't What did you say? The win?
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  Speaker 1: I still think the win's the best place in town.
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  Speaker 1: I really do it. Even though I was playing some
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  Speaker 1: slots in the video poker in there and they stopped
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  Speaker 1: me from getting a deal, so I don't play. I'm
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  Speaker 1: allowed to play, but I still put the win on
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  Speaker 1: a pedestal.
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  Speaker 2: The win is in a class by itself. I love
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  Speaker 2: the win.
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  Speaker 1: And now you were gambling there, staying in probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the most beautiful rooms. They have such unbelievable rooms,
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  Speaker 1: their their tower suits there. I'm sure you weren't even
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  Speaker 1: staying there. You were place thinking about a golf course.
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  Speaker 1: What are those the villas? Yeah, over the whole Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, eighteenth holler right, I mean that is a
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  Speaker 1: I've been there. I've been back there. It's just absolutely gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: I've eaten the country club. Uh, really nice back there,
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  Speaker 1: and you.
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  Speaker 6: Lived in the villa, Yes, for an extended time.
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  Speaker 1: Months, Terry, you never invited us, No, so you lived
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  Speaker 1: there for eight months in the villa. You're gambling to
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  Speaker 1: a point where sometimes you're having a million dollars swings
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  Speaker 1: in a day, obviously, millions and millions. And Steve went
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  Speaker 1: himself because you were drinking and your drink of choice
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  Speaker 1: was a Russian baka. Is that jewel of Russia? Jewel
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  Speaker 1: of Russia? And I'm sure you have plenty of that there,
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  Speaker 1: and they Steve went himself actually said, Terry, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: you're you're drinking a lot, right, tell us what you're
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  Speaker 1: you had?
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  Speaker 2: I'm there, we go.
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  Speaker 7: What is this?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Losing the wind? Wow? Look look me in the eyes,
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  Speaker 1: young man, A sixty four year old Steve Win growled.
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  Speaker 1: At first, I wondered if he caught me staring at
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  Speaker 1: his face, a smooth orange mask like an apple doll,
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  Speaker 1: pulled taut touts. Then I remembered plastic surgery, notwithstanding mister
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  Speaker 1: Wynn was nearly blind.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know I met Steve Win twice.
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  Speaker 1: The first time I met him he had a dog
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  Speaker 1: with him at the mirage. The second time he had
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  Speaker 1: someone when he was blind. So when you marry was
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  Speaker 1: blind blind early, he went blindly.
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  Speaker 5: Even when they were building the mirage, they tore the
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  Speaker 5: carpets up.
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  Speaker 2: Really a bunch of times, really.
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  Speaker 6: Because he changed his mind.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. Just now, is this you talking? This is my
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  Speaker 2: part of my book? Oh it is just for your book. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I am looking you in the eyes, sir, I replied diplomatically.
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  Speaker 1: I'm twenty years older than you. I deserve that respect.
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  Speaker 1: Now was my turn to take a front. I'm Japanese.
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  Speaker 1: I know a thing or two about respecting my elders.
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  Speaker 1: I do respect you, sir, but my words didn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Winn was angry about what I, his latest whale
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  Speaker 1: and residence, had done, specifically the showy, reckless way I
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  Speaker 1: was gambling all over town and the drunken, drugged mess
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  Speaker 1: I was becoming before his eyes. I disgusted him. I
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  Speaker 1: shamed him the way an Eron's son would shame my father.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe this was rebellion I never had in my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: That's really good. That's right. I'm glad you let me
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  Speaker 1: read this.
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  Speaker 2: This was really good.
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  Speaker 1: But Steve actually was was good to you, though you
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  Speaker 1: think in the end, like thinking about what Steve did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you he was looking out for you. He Actually, I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe coming in today, I was thinking about Steve
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  Speaker 1: winn so his jobs to beat people in the casino.
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  Speaker 6: It was something that I think he knew. It wasn't
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  Speaker 6: a fair fight, right because I think.
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  Speaker 1: We were playing drinker was out of control? Drugs, drugs attic.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't do drugs in the casino.
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  Speaker 2: Though, right? Oh? Yes you did?
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  Speaker 6: You mean while he was playing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like not pulling out some coke because not the
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  Speaker 1: table now on the bathroom? Yeah, okay, okay, not a
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  Speaker 1: table not no, But listen, you never know what. But
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what these casinos will allow and say
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  Speaker 1: they didn't see that, you know?
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  Speaker 2: And uh so, so yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: John, Would you say that the drinking and the drugs?
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  Speaker 5: What what was the bigger problem drinking in the drugs
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  Speaker 5: or the gamming? Obviously the two together, But but for you, like,
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  Speaker 5: had you never done drugs or you never drank? Do
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  Speaker 5: you think you still lose three hundred million dollars if
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  Speaker 5: you never were drinking?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Did you drink and do drugs back home in Nebraska? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: You did? Okay, so it did you start out here?
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  Speaker 1: All right, so we won't blame the casinos for that.
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  Speaker 1: So he was doing it back home? Yeah, what do you? Yes? Sure,
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  Speaker 1: please do So.
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  Speaker 8: Terry had no problem drugging himself, okay, But then he
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  Speaker 8: had a personal security detail where he was allowed to
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  Speaker 8: pick and choose her at Harris sorry.
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  Speaker 1: It might have been the Harrist Corporation back then.
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  Speaker 9: So he was allowed to pick and choose which bodyguards
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  Speaker 9: he wanted, and they would continuously bring him up flower
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  Speaker 9: times by the thousands.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they were excited me.
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  Speaker 3: Every two weeks they or to interview security guards who
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  Speaker 3: would tyfinitely coke would rolls.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: It masin to stick here of.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Me and drugging you more than This is so hard
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to believe.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: But like in September of two thousand and seven, I
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: had fallen in the sewer and and I answered sad,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: who's yep? And a bus of Lord Tams like he's better.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Wow, Lord tap is a is a is a pain killer?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I heard of it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I just don't it's it's an opioid that's an illegal
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: drug without being prescribed. Well so, and this blows me away.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Gods, you were probably taking care of them.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: They taking care of you or what are you gonna
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: call it, But you were probably tipping them so well, yes,
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: they would have done.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Anything for you, right, yeah, yeah, that's another thing. You've
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: been known to tip millions and millions of dollars. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: heard you paid people's houses off. Is that true?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I heard that.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: I was you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: You were you were what you know out here in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the desert as George Triple George. You know you were
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: very good with the money and tipping, and you know, casinos,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably know this, but I don't know
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: if I never told you this. Casinos don't really like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: when you're tipping big amounts of money. That's right, casino staff,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the management up as the higher you go, the stronger
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: they are against tipping. Why they can't get the money back.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: It's in the box. They can never get that money
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: back for them in the house and their company.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It's in the box. The dealers love it. Tope Ray
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: goes up high.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: But also mister Wynn came to you and said, you know, basically,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you're taking care of my employee. I don't know this.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not putting more than in your mouth here. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: want you to tell me.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Did he say you were taking care of his employees
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: too too well? Am I using the right wording?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, gambling?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Or you were taking about gambling. Yes, you were taking
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the dealers out gambling. Yeah, this is my kind of guy.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I did not know that. I didn't know that. I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: didn't read that anywhere, but I just thought they were.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So you're seen around town with the deal with the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: other dealers, and they're probably not supposed to go out
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with the customers, but it's so hard not to go
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: out with a Terry Wantonabi for sure.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: You know, he's so nice to people.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard that you were rude to anybody,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: even under these drunken, drugged steaks. I never heard you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: were bit you were rude to people and stuff and so,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but I know you gave away millions of dollars. You're
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: talking one guy stole eleven million back home. How many
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: tens of millions out here did you give away? I mean,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it must have been ridiculous. I met someone that you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: paid his house off. Nice guy.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Probably thirty million, thirty million, Yeah, I met someone.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Was that Also?
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Part of the fun for you is like knowing you're
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: changing people's lives. Wouldn't tip like that or paying some
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: mortgage off?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Isn't that nice?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Isn't that nice? I mean, seriously, I love when I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: give one hundred dollars to a pregnant waitress that's working still. Yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Benjamin having one hundred thousand dollars mortgages right in their
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: pay your mortgage. Yeah, yeah, you should.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Tip twenty five thousand dollars trips to people in the elevator.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Twenty five dollars. You gave twenty five thousand to someone
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: in the elevator. Oh not just one, not just one,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: just giving them chips. Yeah, well, I mean you probably didn't.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Twenty five k to you is nothing back then, now.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You you were betting in upwards of four hundred thousand
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: dollars a hand. Sometimes it's so hard to believe because
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you know, we know Dana White today, he's betting four
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand and a hand, right, and this is eighteen
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: years ago. Like they would take that much money off you,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: that's so hard to believe that you must have been
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: losing so much money that they raised your limit. That
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: has to be at Bacara. Can't be blackjack bakara, But blackjack,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I seen a limit, and that's what I thought. I
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: thought that was your biggest bet, fifty thousand a hand
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: on three hands. But I know they were giving you that,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: But bakara, that were giving you that kind of these
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: swings had to be crazy. What's the most you think
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you ever won or lost in a session? Probably two
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: well two million would be only four bets, it would
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: be only five bets in. But however, that came later
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in life. I know I see because I see you later.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I'm saying later in your gambling career, did not open
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you up and say hey you can bat four hundred thousand.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: That was after they knew you were in this state.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: You were a loser. You were losing your.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Money, lose ony RIGHTDP Oh wow, okay, so yeah, were you.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Pleased at the table for like five, six, seven, eight
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: hours at a time or yes, yeah all night.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I read that you did a twenty four hour session.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I did, Wow.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're John Tiro. Yeah, twenty four hours. Wow.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So that'll keep that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Drugs keep you up, like like an adderall or something
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that will keep you up, keep you going. But it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was cocaine was your drug of choice. That kept you
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: going at Caesar's. The top level card is seven star.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: That's the top level.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: You were telling me this, this is amazing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: They created a one of one card just for you,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a chairman's card. What you you know, you're very nice
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to you. You told me you were gonna send me
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: one of them. You have like six of them home.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I'll put I'll put it on my socials. I mean,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: nobody has this card. It's one of one, just created
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: for you. But it didn't come out any perts that
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you didn't already have. I mean you had everything you want, Like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: did you ever ask for something and they turned you down?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Never?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Never?
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: That?
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: That was a very fast never Tarry. Yeah, but you're
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: pretty low made. And that was a dinner with you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: last night, breakfast with you. I could see your pretty
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: low maintenance psych comp request and stuff. But you did
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: get unbelievable comps.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: That's sober Terry. It was was drunk and high Terry.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Uh did you get outlandish with the requests?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Not really?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I don't right right? Didn't you get Tiffany gift cards?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Once? Yes? And I invited them a half million, half
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a million dollars. I've seen that half a million dollars
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: at a time. And Tiffany gift cards. They gifted them
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to you from the casino. Right, Oh, you bought them.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: You bought the gift cards and gave them away to people.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Wow, it's amazing. It's just amazing you got me.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It saddens me because I know the way Terry is today,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So it saddens me that you were so good to people.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And I judge a lot of people on how they
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: are to others. That's just the way I grew up.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: How about the In and Out Burger that you made
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: stay open? You made them reopen at like what four
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: in the morning or something three in the morning. Yes,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and you made them you offered them. How much money
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: did you just offer them to open? You're fifty thousands, right,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: so you offer an edit out burger. I need some
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: burgers fifty thousand to open. But you bought burgers for
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like the dealers, right, you did to bring them back
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: or something. Wow, you brought them back for the staff.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: At least you got a burger fifty thousand out of it. Wow,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it's great. I love I love stuff like that. You
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: give me twenty five thousand people in the elevator. You're
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: gonna offer the the owner of it is not fifty
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: thousand over and they opened for you too. Now this
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I found very interesting last night slot machines. I didn't
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: think you really even played. Now I hear the thirty
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: million you lost. What was your biggest win playing a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: slot machine? Million two point six eight million? How much
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: your spin is that? Uh?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Thousand thousand dollars? Wow?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Two point You hit like the jackpot and.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: They hit twice ten days, twice and twice in ten days.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Hit the six hours of spin. I mean you can
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: rack that up if you're not winning.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: If you're not winning, I'm glad John didn't say that's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a good deal. Maybe I'll start if I can get
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, same machine, same machine, that's unbelievable. The
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: same machine at Caesars. Wow.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: He thought that they had a remote.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Well to make him win, to give him a little bonus,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: just to keep him there going. Wow.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Two points.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Your main game was blackjack and Bakara, Yes, but you
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: dabbled and slots roulette also.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, different carnival games. The carnival games. You know, that's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: something i'd ever talked about. Probably where I started thinking
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: about it, we used to have these feasts. There was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: one in New York in New York City, which is
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the big one everyone knows, but on Mulberry Street. But
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: there was one of the Bronx too, and the one
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in the Bronx they have the church has deals, Blackjacks
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and and different carnival games.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Guess this get it's all for money.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So that's probably my first real table game experience was
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: at the feast and you had those type of inter
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and you know, you had those interactions at back home
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: with that a table in the carnival games or you're
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: saying the carnival games were ones in the casino hed War?
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Did they have War yet?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: You know, did you play War too?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Or no? I know, I would think you'd want that one,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: so you played some of the other ones. Yeah, I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: misunderstood you. I think you meant carnival games like in
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the you know, that's where I first started to learn there.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I read this came from one of the one of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the guys on Twitter that I asked too for I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: asked to help for questions. Did you feel compelled to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: ever stop and say I have to stop, I have
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to stop this, And you know I've lost half my
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: fortune or a third of my fortune. Here, I'm really
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: hurting by this one year sober? You think of these
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: things on the plane flying back whatever? Did you ever
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: say I'm stopping?
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: When I in two thousand and seven, when I thought
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I was zyting from the drugs and the alcohola I
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: said to myself.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So I can't deal with this. Oh wow, your sister
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you get told us? Yeah wow. Did she say let's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: get into gamblers anonymous or alcohol and something like that?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Family intervention? It sounds like a little bit, so I said,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and went to rehimb. Okay, but this is twelve rehimb
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: so twelve you've been the twelve.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the longest stretch was eighteen months. And that was
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: the last time.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: When when you go to rehab, do you live there? Yes? Okay?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And they work on many different points and the different
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: different things.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Was the rehab for drugs and drinking and the gambling
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: or just the drugs and drinking.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Jameson and they touched to the amien. It was Benny Ford.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, this is what I was going to say before
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I read where you'd like others to know your story
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: because maybe that'll help them on a smaller level, because yes,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit embarrassing telling telling the stories. John
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: told you a story last night, I told you a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: story today. We all had our little gambling, degenerate things
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: when we were younger, but to tell it publicly, you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: looking to help people on a smaller level.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It can't happen on your level no more.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: You know that level because of these they have this
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: KYC laws.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Now know your customer.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: One of our other interviews, Matt Boyer probably started pushing
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that issue because of what happened to him. That was
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the Otani's assistant bookmaker. But now it's the under ten
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: k person that we're trying to reach a little bit.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: That's the lifeblood of the casino too, So we're trying
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to reach them because they just grind them to death.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: The guys that work every week and.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: They really get hurt and they you know, make it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: two thousand a week, a thousand a week, and they
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: go to the casino and they chase it. They call
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: out of work, they do this, and now they lie
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to their families. That's the people we want to reach
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: here today because that is because because of the person
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you are, you want to let them know your story,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: so it can happen to anybody on any level.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Really, I mean they could you know you mentioned Matt Boyer.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, people in the comments when we post the clips
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: about Otawni's interpreter's Booky, they would say things like because
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: he just went off to prison a couple of days.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Ago, this this week, for for six months and months
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: whatever it is. And a lot of people in the
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: comments are saying like, I don't feel sorry.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: For you, you know what, blah blah blah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: Now what you were doing was not illegal gambling.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: But there's probably gonna be people when they see clips
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: and they and our caption says, you know this, this
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: man lost three hundred million sure gambling, And there's people
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: that are gonna say, well, you deserve it, you've you've
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: scred it up or whatever.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: How does that make you feel when that is someone's perspective,
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: It sends me.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It s.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's right. Everyone has their opinion. And then, honestly, just anre,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I have a policy of block and move. I block.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I don't argue with too many people. I block and move.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: We're all gonna have haters. J and J watering Hole.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: This is a good, good one of my good followers.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: At what point did you realize you could never fight
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: enough to get it back. Did you ever say I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: just can't, I can't do it, I can't do it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the time you probably answered this question around
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: asking in a different way. It probably was the time
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that you actually faced your sister and told her yes, yeah,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and and.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: And did she have no idea? She knew you were gambled,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: but she didn't realize the dollar amounts.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: And so at some point you had to just come
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: clean and tell her because all the money was gone, right, Wow?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: What's going on, buddy, Randy McKay Uh we uh we
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: we got we got a little prop on the show.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: I've seen you have with the hat. What was that
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: in the background I've seen just now.
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I gotta get out last two out of three
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: weeks here, gotta get out the broom.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: Oh boy, you know what happened to do that? You
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: can't get wow? Wow, Well you can't get cocky on us, No,
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: I'm just kidding.
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: Really, a little shout out. We're gonna give a little
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: shout out to a friend of ours that's been watching
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: the show from Kingman, Arizona. I met him in the casino.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: Keith nice Keith.
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: And said, said hi and loves the show. I met
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: a couple of them down here.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You're gonna meet a couple people ask me when, not now,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: but you know they're gonna ask now because you're three
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and oh when you're owing.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: Three, there's a question. Where's that fucking Randy at curse?
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: Damn it? I never cursed. All right, Randy, what do
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: you got this week?
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: All right? First pick? Go the ugly Bowl here, battle
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: of one win teams here, Gonna take the Miami Dolphins.
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: Plus three line just went up. Was two and a
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: half on the opener. Some sharks maybe like Cleveland.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Like the defense Miami Dolphins. Plus three is your first pick? Yeah, okay,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: plus three minus a dollar twenty I'm looking plus three
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: minus a dollar twenty two, So I am. You can
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: still get a couple of books in far away places,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: so soft point.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: I believe had three there for a while.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, local, one of the local spots in town has it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: You know you can there there is there is. We
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: have to pay some juice, so we'll go plus three
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: minus a quarter. Okay, I's a ugrade that one.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: What's the next one?
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: All right. Well, if you want to break down on
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: the game, I.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Trust yeah, go ahead.
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: Two in the Miami offense here a little bit more
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: than this. Uh, you get a battle of left two
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: left handed quarterbacks. Very very seldom you see two left
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: handed quarterbacks starting. So I trust two in the Miami
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: offense to get a little bit more offense. This should
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: be a low scoring game. Cleveland defense has been oppressive,
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: but they usually get worn out in the second halves
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: because their offense doesn't do anything like they did against Predictably.
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: I called it last week against the Steelers, So I
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: see this another spot where a team shouldn't be favored.
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: You know, getting a full field goal here is pretty
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: pretty key in a low total.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: Okay, cool, all right, what's the next one?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: The LA Chargers up to one and a half? I
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: did I had this earlier, but I'll give out one and.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: A half's one and a half everywhere.
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I laid the one. I laid the one opener.
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: You know, the Colts have been impressive, but they're coming
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: off a big home winning streak and now having to
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: go on the road. Here is a little tougher spot,
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: and they should This Charger team should get some of
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: their starters back. They've been a little injured up. They
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: might get two offensive linemen back. You know, we saw
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: a similar spot with the Colts going into the Rams
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: a couple of weeks ago, where they lost by seven
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: on the same field. I could see a similar game
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: like that one, you know. So I favor the Chargers
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: a little better defense here that the Colts are facing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: I like this Chargers defense to get us the win
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: and get us a cover and a line that I
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: think is too low.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, great, good deal. I know, syndicate against you, but
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: that's okay. Yeah, you're the syndicate man.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: You're killing them. What's the next one?
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Sindigan was against me in that total last week too,
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: and uh oh they were away against you with the
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: under Yeah, that didn't have much of a chance for them.
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: They might they might need to re sharpen their model
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: otherwise they're gonna get rinsed.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: That's all right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: We did a grad des a unfortunately, but we'll talk. Well,
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: that's the other day, all right. Last one Seattle minus
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: three I got it at Draft Kings.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe not available in US minus three minus sixteen right
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: here circle minus three minus fifteen Caesar's minus three minus fifteen.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna grade that minus three minus fifteen. Three
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: different books in town have it. What's the reasoning behind that?
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, by the week came at the wrong time here,
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: I think for Houston, you know, coming off the two wins,
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: you know, they only had to face like half the
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: Ravens team there, and they're big win at Baltimore. They
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: looked impressive, but you know that was against the second
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: second string. You know, this offensive line for Houston is
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: one of the worst in the league. Going into a
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: tough Monday night environment there in Seattle, I think they'll
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: get exposed against the Seattle defense line that's one of
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: the strongest in the NFL. So I see a lot
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: of problems for them on offense. On the other side,
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: I'm impressed by Seattle and in the offense with this
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: new quarterback Darnold that they got from the Vikings, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: big free agents signing. You know, he's hooking up good
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: with that receiver in Jigba, So I see that being
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: a strong combination there to crack. You know, Houston has
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: a good defense, but I think Seattle have a little
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: bit more offense here and be able to cover this
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: minus three spread.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: All right, Randy, good job, and let's see what happens here.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That same syndicates is against you. Though they gave me
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: six games this morning. They're on Houston plus three and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a half. It's very interesting that you could two against it,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the battle of the syndicates.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: All right, what we appreciate it. We'll see you next week.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: All right, all right, thanks Bill, good luck, every runny
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: out there.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: Good deal.
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  Speaker 2: This is a little bit long question, but I like it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'd love to know about the remorse but then having
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the will to jump right back in, Like if I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: have a bad stretch, I clear my accounts out, take
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a few days off, go back to my process and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: try to figure out what's wrong, then get back in slowly.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: He's referring to sports betting.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: That's a great question.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I know how he must have felt to lose big,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but I'm assuming that he just jumped back in and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: tried to make up for it. I love to know
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: about that thought process and how you go from losing
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: big and feeling like crap to just throwing more money
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: at it over and over again.
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• 38:50
  Speaker 6: So.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're when you're that flight home, it's like
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: our drive home. I used to drive home from Atlantic
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: City back to New York, New Jersey, you know, North Jersey.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That drive home was always tough. I didn't have money
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: for tolls. Sometimes I would fake the tolls like I'm
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: paying tolls. You know, we were just we were kids.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: We didn't know any better. That flight home, you really
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: must have had thinking, oh, another twelve million, another thirty million,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: another twenty million, and you know it's how do you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: go from jumping back in again?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Do you think you're gonna get it back? Do you say, hey,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get it back from her. I thought
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I was gonna be able to eat it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: You did it even though you were so deep you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: thought you'd be able to get it, get it back
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: over and over again.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because you know what happens when you're playing blackjack, right,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: we've all done it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you you you get the dream hand.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You're betting fifty grand three hands, and you get an
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: eleven on one, a ten on the other, and the
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: twenty on one. You double down and you end up
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: with a twenty twenty and a twenty and dealer has
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: a six up and yeah, and flips over three and
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: then like at three being like a five or six
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: card twenty one.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: And then you think, off, I didn't lose that hand, right,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: everything would have turned around. They said, really.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: The Caesars pulled up. They Mike Crow, the film is right,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: and they actually replayed the whole hand.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, really yeah, you're probably about in fifty thousands
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: of a card.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: So were you playing You're playing double deck? Yes, never
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: out of the shoe.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow. How do you know that?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that's the better mathematical game to play.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: But well, just because when he said they replayed it,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: I'm figuring it had to be they wanted to make
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: sure interesting.
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: Things were on the up and up instead of just
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: coming out of the shoe.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I guess. Yeah, but no, you lost that hand.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: You lost that hand. Yes, yeah, this is an interesting question.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Chris Macedonia here, what was your favorite thing to do
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in Omaha growing up? Is that where you lived as
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: a child. Did you do things as a kid where
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you sound like you were enamored in the business from
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a young child. Five years old? Did you have friends?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: You go out and do some things? You went to school?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Which school? We went to school and went to work
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: after school?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: What about house stuff? There's one thing that comes to
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: mind in Omaha. I was hoping that it was going
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: to be your answer.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: What was it? The zoo?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Oh was incredible? Have you ever been there?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Oh? That you're gonna take?
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: No, you were working.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And he's you under a animals for sal Evans.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Hmm, that's him.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: What about like when you have other than the gambling?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: I think I asked you this last night? What were
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: your what was the fun stuff.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: For you to buy? Like?
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Were you a car guy?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: Did you just go buy a Ferrari on a whim?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I would buy cars? I had sixteen? Did you have
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: sixteen cars?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You had the most expensive house in either Omaha or
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Nebraska scene. You had the most expensive house, so you
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: had a lot of cars there? So you didn't you didn't?
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: You actually were there enough that you could have all
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: these cars and stuff. You weren't living here full time?
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It was really wow. Wow. You know casinos don't want
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you to stay them more than thirty days. Now, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: mean you can establish residency these laws. You're telling me
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you stayed consecutively though, right without.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: More rules for something like they have to write and
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: it's just there's so much money. Yeah, they figured out
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: on that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: People asked me, here, Ap White, what's the biggest deal
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a casino ever gave in to show up? Up front money,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: discount amount, special table rules?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: When you came in? Did you get like one hundred
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: thousand promo chips where here is? Yep, they have it
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: was eighty different.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, so they have they have eighteen different things
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: they were doing for you, including front up promo chips
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and different things like that. And how about your discount?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: If you lost two million bucks? Did you get twenty percent?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Did you get that much? Wow?
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: Did you negotiate that or they was given to me?
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: They was just giving you. That's what I kind of felt.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: I feel like his personality type was just.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But John, to be honest with you, I know what
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: these casinos give you. Now, maybe it's just now they
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: give you ten percent and then they'll give you an
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: early paid discount. They'll give you, but that these are
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: giant numbers though, like on a million bucks you might
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: get twenty percent. He's doing thirty five percent. That's unbelievable.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: That's how much. Let me be blunts terry.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: That's how much they knew that you were going to lose,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that they gave you that kind of a deal. No one,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you can come back. Nobody had that deal. I never
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: heard anyone get more than twenty percent. Never.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe they get some money walking in. You get a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: three percent discount for paying early. But then again, you
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: came in with cash. Yes, this wasn't credit. You came in.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Would you used to come in with a ten million
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: dollar check?
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: What did you come in with?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I said, wired? Wired?
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So of course they're going to give you that that
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: they're getting the money now.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone plays like that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Do you remember, like I guess, was it the final trip?
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Like do you remember the moment where like, wow, it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: just all gone.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, there was a time that you said I can't
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: there's no money.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like literally like okay, I lose this hand and
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: it's over.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Wait you remember that day.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: I remember the fact that I the legal gave me
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: a MOSSI ten million dollars lady granted. Oh okay, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Harry's the saving of million?
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, okay, so I like this guy.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Carl asked a question how much of the time was
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he enjoying life? Was it long stretches of misery while losing,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: or mostly enjoying the ride while he was in it?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Great question, so did you? But it was both wow wow,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Because when you had good wins, you go up to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the room. I would think it's hard to go to sleep.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I actually have had some sessions of video poker where
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it was the wind, where I did so well. I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: was dealt a hand for a lot of money, a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty thousand to one shot I got dealt.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: And to try to unwind after winning so much, you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: have dreams, at least I did. I had actually dreams
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: of video poker. That's crazy. I don't anymore. Did you
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: actually have trouble sleeping, especially doing the coke? Did you
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: have trouble actually sleeping? And they would go to we
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: do on the Oh my god, you're hitting.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: You would be.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: Down the gambling millions dollars and then go up to
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: the room and get online and play Slots's.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Been wady, too unbelievable.
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: It's your way to unwind. Gamble little more.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: If you imagine these these illegal operators off shore. They
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: must the owners, right, they must have looked at these
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: accounts and say, oh my god, this wired a million today.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: They're set for life because of Terry. I knew nothing
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Then they even have.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: Their own only he had his own line item for Harris.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: What's that mean when they when they came to do
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in their accounting books. Yeah, yeah, five point is what
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you're talking about.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: That's actually a really good and because otherwise it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Just gets it gets most, it gets very good. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: they want to know a false sense of your revenue?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: What percent? That's exactly right? Yeah, five point six percent? Wow, Wow,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that's interesting.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: They need to know exactly what came from Terry because
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: you don't know where you're at otherwise in business.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Terry one person that has at bank roll management.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I just don't know.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like when you go in there, you
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: send ten million in, you can't bet fifty thousand. That's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you can't start out like that. You could be broken
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: ten minutes. So did you actually have to wire more
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: money during the trip many times?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Wow? So would you start out betting that kind of money?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Would you actually start out going downstairs and fifty that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: or would you start at five or ten and building
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you did, okay, because that's what almost everyone does. You know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: it's all fun and games and not here in the desert, sunshine, rainbows, lollipops,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: all fun stuff. Drinks, a little blow and you bet
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: five or ten. You're having some fun, you're laughing with
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the dealers. Next thing you know, you're losing and you're chasing,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and it's a different terry. Want to not be like
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: it was a different Bill Kragerberger and John Orwando in
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: our lives. So of course you're on your level, though
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: not not ours. And then you were betting fifties on
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: three hands, and you were betting these crazy amounts on
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: baccara And did you ever get mad down there at
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the table where you were you like slamming? I've never
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: read anything on it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Were you you were just take it and shride?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Wow? Wow? Yeah, because John's broken TVs everywhere.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely slammed my hand down on many blackjack
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: tables and discussed you're playing just heads up against the dealer,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: although you're playing three spots, but would you ever have
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: your friends playing at the table with you?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Or no?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Oh? Really? So you had a little bit of an
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: entourage there. I guarantee none of them are talking to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you today. Probably they probably when you when you when
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you when you go broke, they're all gone.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, I mean I just know it just it's natural,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: it's natural. Yeah, you do have some friends.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I mean, Terry, would you always play by
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: the book.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Or like, would there be times you hit on seventeen?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: You're hitting? Yeah?
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Have you ever taken a hit on seventeen because you're
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: tired of seeing the dealer flip over the twenty and
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: just take.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: A shot at it?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Hey times?
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: I really did you ever double like on twelve or thirteen?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Never?
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Never could? Wow? Okay, nothing that matters now in the end,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that's good of white people thinking that, because people do that.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I know, uh, you know, people get out of control.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: They just they just said they can't win playing basic strategy.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: Did you ever split tens?
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Never?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Never? So you knew basic you know basic strategy.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: But and you said you had said last night at dinner,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: you never you didn't count either, you never kept account.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: You just played.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Well, that's how you That's that's why you're gonna lose
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: one to two percent because even basic strategy if you
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: have a strategy card just going to lose.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: But interesting, wasn't there one time.
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: Where you had them set up like a million dollars
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: BFE and you lost some money and then you just
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: kind of touched the opt and left.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Serious waiting. Okay, And they.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Do you remember Brad the Augment the chef y?
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, so he was well because there was
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: a Brad the Ougment was a big chef in town
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: back then. So you know them.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: And so when I when the two boys say, say
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I threw.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: But it couldn't cost a million dollars. Okay, but you did,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: but you did spend tons of money. You loved, you
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: loved when you had these things. You enjoyed that so
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: much for other people, it sounds like, oh you share it.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: That's something.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: That's the thing that drives me nuts with the whole
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: story is he he lost this money, but he changed
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: you changed so many lives along the way.
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: Did And then there's another bucket of even changing lives
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: along the way and.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: Even being so great with the tips, how many people
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: still took advantage of him on that same trip.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Definitely, So like when you say, like, oh, what what
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: did you pay?
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: For the buffet.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: You probably don't even know, Like I doubt you ever
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: looked at I know, like you were probably obviously you
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: were room from the beverage calm, right, but for the
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: extra stuff that maybe he would order sometimes, who knows
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: what they ever tacked on exactly.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: There's no way you looked at the bill.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: There's no way, right, no way until at the end
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: took the food image he has away for me.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: In the end, they took the food and beverage comps
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: away from you.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Why they considered my pois right to be.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Oh so right, So that's I know what they did.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Points and common points right, So he's gambling at such
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: a crazy, crazy level of points.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: You could still have them today.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Right, right, So they started taking pasted on the generation. Correct,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So they took your points and used it towards the stuff. Yeah,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like the private jet.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: Flags right, Like like, okay, they did you go to
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of so did you use a lot of
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: the person? Did you go to the super Bowl? Did
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: you go to Kentucky Derby? Did you do all that
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: No?
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, really they're all perks.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: That were a lot of friends with you. We'd have
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: been traveling.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all perchs. I did read you got some
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: concent I read the Rolling Stones and stuff.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: Right, but you didn't like have them send a jet,
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: you know, a big player. You know, they'll take you
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: the super Bowl and if the super.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Bowls you know, and they might have been offered to it.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You just weren't interested in it. That wasn't your thing. No,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: he's my own jet, your own jet. So you had
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: your own that much money, you have your own jet.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know I I.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I feel so bad for you now though, because I seen.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: You.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: You had to go fund me. You had prostrate surgery
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: and you had to go fund me. That's how little
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: of money you had or no money where you actually needed.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Are you in remission now?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So because you look great, we went out to eat.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I had you walk in ten thousand steps last night.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: We walked everywhere breakfast and dinner. What do you do
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: for income currently? How do you? How do you live?
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Security? Solid security?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So you're actually getting like solid security and and even
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: like an EBT, that kind of thing to help you.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: The government's helping you. Oh they're not okay, but solid
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: security is enough to even live.
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: On that that's the family you're you have a brother
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: and a sister.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, did they do.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: They have money?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yes? They have to be very wealthy, and.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: Your relationship with them is really strained.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And they won't have been helping you to the point
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: where throwing a couple hundred thousand so you could live
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: happily the rest of your life. You never asked him
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: for it. Ride Pride yep. Really okay, So so you
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: But but you're okay though, you're okay, you're physically okay,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: looking at.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: To be able to resur proceeds basically okay.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: So, and this is part of the book. Yeah, and
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: John and I think that you're a movie. We think
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you're a movie.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: This has to be a movie.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: We think that there's so many more. We don't have
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: time to film everything. There's so much more we could
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: talk about.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and are you.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: Are you.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: On a scale of one to ten, how happy are
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: you today with life? Five?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Five is low, that's a five. But it's understandable. Yeah,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: it's understandable.
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: Well, we talked about it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: Last night, like you know, because you could argue it
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: would be better to never have had your hands.
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: On three hundred million to know what it's like to
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: not have a million, right, Like it's almost tougher to
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: have it right, lose it all right?
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Never have it?
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: And when you were.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: With the money and you were gambling all the time
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: on one to ten, you were probably a thirty.
• 55:34
  Speaker 10: For fun, right.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Wow. Someone asked here and asked me if you gamble
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: at all today on anything, a scratch off lottery ticket
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: or anything at all?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Nothing? Okay?
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: So what do you do in the spare time? What
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: do you do to eat up that time they used
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: to gamble with you? Just watch some TV, read some
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: internet or yes, yeah, the are the do you have fun?
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: Do you think about like the fun times? The fun memories?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm reading from a person that asked a lot
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: of questions.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: A lot of times.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Reports state that you were playing a very suboptimal strategy
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: at the tables, which was guaranteed to lose quickly. So
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: but you're saying you didn't really do that, you played,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You just told me. This is for the guy named Todd.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Todd he said he played and didn't split tens, he
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: didn't hit. This is stories out there saying that you're,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you know, doubling on that or hitting the seventeen, But
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: you really didn't do that. For the most part, you
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: played a basic strategy. Did you want that special rank
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: of above seven stars? Did you request that? I didn't request.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: It was either to me given to you.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Wow, wow, very cool.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: As they were probably figuring like what can we do
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: special for him?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: Like how do you keep him engaged? How do you
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: keep him?
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: What would let me see this?
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: What was the longest stretch when you had all the
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: money that you went without coming to town? Like were
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: you here every You were here for eight months right
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: over the two and a half years, Yes, and then
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: you'd go. So after those eight months you went back
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: to Omaha.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I for occasionally occasionally, but I was when when asked
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: me to leave and I ended up being in the
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: rear and it hears.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: So you went from Win to Rio? Yes, okay?
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: And how was Rio? It was a big spot back then,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: re open it was a hot spot. They were taking
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: big bets in their front.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: You at the Rio?
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, Now was the real owned by Caesars back then?
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: No?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Right, I believe it was.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Oh was it? It was? Because I know they bought
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: it eventually, So you weren't playing at a Sezars property anyway,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and then you got wood over to Caesars Palace and
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that was gradua.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: Did you ever go to Atlantic City and player?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: No, just Vegas.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: You're not messing anything. Yeah, you didn't miss nothing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: And was macaw a thing back then?
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: Or No?
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Did you ever gamble internationally or anything? You didn't go
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to cow?
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: How about your local casino which there was there was
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: a local casino.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: Harvey's and Council Bluffs? They even take your action?
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Is that where you went here?
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, all right, that's and then that was just
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: like the they weren't taking the action they were.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Taken here though, right they would they wouldn't, like what.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Would your max bet be at Harvey's and counts of
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: Bluffs at the time?
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: And so you just pop in there like after lunch.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: You got a deal like that was just like little recreation,
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: play around a little bit Mickey mouse though for you,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: wow type, you're gambling?
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: Any questions?
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just I'm just fascinated emotional. Sure, yeah, because
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you see what kind of guy he is, right, he's
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: just a good fairly because of pride.
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: I can understand any gambler can understand.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Sure, Like like it. Yeah, it's it's just it's it's
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: it's a sad situation, but it could turn to it
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: could turn into a good thing with a book, a movie.
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's something like for sure.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Terry, me too, people too, because yeah, it's it really is.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: And the casinos they absolutely take.
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: Advantage of you.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: You know, you would think when someone has that much money,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: three hundred million, that you can't lose them, like I sure.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: Had I not known this story, I would have said,
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: because I've actually said this about Diana White, because I'll
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: see people commenting, you know, no one can a Deana White,
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: you know, no one could spend that much, and.
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: I always say, please, he's got unlimited, Like, there's no way.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: There's a billionaire. There's no way, million billion dollars.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: I would have said the same thing about Terry. Three
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: hundred million dollars, there's no how could you lose John.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: He's going back to the room and losing thirty million
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to offshore guys.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: That's what he's lost there.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: So but what they it's what it is is.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: The casinos will keep raising your limits and that's.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Where you're That's why I said, there's no way they
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: give it you forwarded. They raised that after they've seen
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna win it.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: It's almost like, I don't want to say setting him up, but.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Kind of My friend Steve said, as you've seen the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: therapist and what was he diagnosed with any kind of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: trauma or anything to be so reckless like, yeah, I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: like bipolar, really, Steve, I'm glad Steve asked that because
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I would think, listen, we all need to talk to somebody.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now though, I think that definitely
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: you probably have been to multiple therapists in your life.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: And I think it's probably a good thing. You still
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: go do you?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Good for you? Good for you?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: You know, I said earlier.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: It's you could argue it would be better that you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: never had the three hundred million or right. The flip
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: side I said to see at dinner last night. The
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: flip side is you've you're still alive, and you've got
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: the memories you have and the fun you at least.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: Look, we're all here for however long, some longer than others.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: Some people die of cancer in their twenties, their thirties, whatever,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: Some get in a car accident.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, you want to just
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: create memories in life and have fun along the way,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: separate from your daily work, grind right, the experiences you
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: you've operated at the highest level. I mean, if there's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: a well, there's a gambling Hall of Fame, right, I mean,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: like you should He's He's.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: In it in my book, Terry. I know the people
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: that run the Gambling Hall of Fame.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And even though you have lost all this morning, a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: lot of guys in the Hall of Famer, guys that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: were you know, people in the business. But there's a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: couple of people that shouldn't be in this thing. So
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I think you deserve to be in there.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's just look when you watch the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: movie Casino or when you watch the movie twenty one
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: with Kevin Spacey, Like, that's what we all want to live, right,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: we we all want to live just absolutely crushing it
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: in the casino one time in your life.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: That's what John.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm just saying, John, I'm not trying to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: make fun of him. That's what I guess. That's the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: way you want to you.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: Before we start rolling, you're telling a story.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: You're looking at You're looking at Tyson, and you're looking
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: at Terry, and you're not even looking at me, and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: then at the end of your story you say the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: word degenerate.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: Was at the end, this guy was a degenerator.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: You looked right at me. That was just a yeah,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: it wasn't you know. It's just as John has a history.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Terry, I think this was a great interview
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: and it was our honor to be the first person,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: the first people to interview you and let you tell
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: your story a little bit.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: I know it's got to be hard to talk about,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: right because like we're asking you to.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Read, we're asking you, we're asking you some tough questions.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: But however, this is going to be for the betterment
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: of society and hopefully the kids listen to this and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you know, even young gamblers, and they can learn by
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. Yes, yeah, and we'd love to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: have you on again and maybe we'll come to you
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: so great. Thank you, Terry, thank you,