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KMC VBS Special · Relish: a Christian podcast

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  Relish pleasing or zestful flavor a quantity
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  just sufficient to flavor to be pleased or
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  gratified by enjoy we are hoping that what
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  we bring to your table today might add some spice to your life welcome back
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  ladies and gentlemen to another episode of relish we have something a little
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  spell a little special coming your way here right i i sort of feel like i ought
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  to say BR 549 and only old people will know what that means.
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  Yeah. I don't understand. Sorry. Heehaw.
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  We are on the week of VBS here at Kelowna Mennonite.
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  So we are privileged to have the seventh and eighth graders with us and they've
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  come up with some questions for you guys. That's right.
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  So Nikki and I've been working with this class all week. We're very impressed
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  with this class. So we expect we're going to be impressed with our questions. Yeah.
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  We'll see if one of these young'uns can stump you. But first up here,
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  we'll have Wyatt asking his question.
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  Should I get my Bible ready? What does the Bible say will happen during the tribulation?
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  All sorts of things. If you look at Revelation, each of the tribulations look
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  like there are seven actions in every tribulation.
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  And so it will look different where you're at, Where are you looking from?
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  It's as if Revelation tells about those times seven different ways.
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  So that we know there's at least seven different actions that happen during
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  the time of tribulation. We just hope we're not there, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Because I believe that Christ is going to come first.
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  And so you and I won't have to worry about that, right, bud? Thank you.
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  That was short answer, folks. That was not the long answer, but that was the
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  short answer. Oh, hi. Hi.
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  So my question is, how do you share Jesus with people who don't think that they need a Savior?
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  Ah, I like to start with their questions because almost everybody has a question.
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  So if they don't think they need a Savior, maybe you encounter them in a spot
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  where they need prayer, ask them, okay, may I pray with you?
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  And if they're open to your prayers, then they might start to ask questions
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  about your faith. If they don't, do you know why I prayed for you?
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  And do you know this hope that I have because I know what God wants for you?
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  And so you talk about the God of hope and what God has to bring into their life.
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  So it gives you a starting spot by asking, hey, I don't know what you're going
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  through today, but could I pray for you?
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  And then that opens the door for you to get their response and what they want
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  prayed for. Okay, thank you. Cool.
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  Good question. Good question.
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  My question is, if people get saved during the tribulation, what happens to them?
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  If they get saved during the tribulation, they'll be like us, saved. Okay.
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  Now, there won't be like the rapture for
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  them like we will have before the tribulation, but they'll have an out.
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  And they know that when their time, when their life has ended,
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  they'll also know, they'll go through the chapter 20, white throne judgment,
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  and they'll know which side they're on.
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  Okay. Get their name in the book of life.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Good question. Good question.
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  Must have been spurred by our discussion today. What do you think?
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  My question is. Get close to the mic. Why did Jews celebrate Pentecost?
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  Why did Jews, well, for the Jews, Pentecost was a holiday that celebrated,
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  well, the wheat harvest for one thing.
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  And then it also celebrated the Torah, which would be God's law.
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  And so it was a celebration of the word, if you would, from the Old Testament
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  perspective of word, which had been like the first five books of the Bible.
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  And so Pentecost for them was a celebration of the season, celebration of what
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  God had given them in the word.
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  And interestingly enough, then God used that day to bring a new word to them in their own language.
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  Good question. Well done.
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  My question is, what are different ways you bring Christ into your everyday life?
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  Different ways to bring Christ into your everyday life. Ah, that's a good question too.
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  Well, for me, it's getting as close as I can to him.
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  So I want to get his word in my heart and I spend time in devotions.
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  We read two chapters of the Bible every morning and we also do a daily bread.
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  So devotional, it's brought to us by somebody else.
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  Time of quiet. I like the time of quiet.
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  And I find that often in that time of quiet, if I truly am able to have quiet
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  and give it to the Lord, he will honor that by bringing me a word or song that I can use all day.
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  So it's almost as if I'm meeting a friend for breakfast and the conversation goes all day.
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  So I find that a good way to get close to Jesus in the word. Thank you. Yeah.
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  They're faster questions than your questions, Ron. Or maybe it's faster answers.
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  That could be too. I'm not on rabbit trails.
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  My question is, do Christians or good people who commit suicide go to heaven?
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  Oh, man, that's a hard one.
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  But it's a good one. It's a good one.
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  Well, I praise the Lord. I'm not the judge of hearts. And God is.
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  So I think we need to realize that most of the people who take their own life
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  are at a spot where they're in immense pain, either physical pain or mental
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  pain, maybe pain of spirit even.
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  And that changes somebody's thinking.
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  And so that reminds us then as Christians that we should always be aware of
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  our feelings and why we feel the way we do.
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  And if we hurt, we should go ask somebody to help us, not isolate ourselves,
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  which is hard because when we're in pain, we tend to isolate ourselves.
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  But for us, we need to get out and be with people, maybe find that friend that
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  you can tell anything to, maybe a pastor, maybe a counselor,
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  depending, but get close to somebody.
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  Whether they are saved or not, that's God's business.
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  But I pray for their soul. I pray for their heart. And the second piece of that is,
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  as a pastor working in the community, I am trying to be more and more sensitive
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  to individuals who hurt, because that's really what that's all about.
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  Are we, as a community of faith, able to recognize and minister to those who are in that kind of pain?
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  That's a really good question. I didn't answer it very well,
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  though, but God's got it. God's got it. Yeah.
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  My question is, if you were already baptized as a baby, can you get baptized again? Yes.
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  You want that short answer? Yes.
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  Yes. And I come from a believer's baptism tradition, and the baptism as a child,
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  you really didn't have much input into.
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  Some, from a tradition I recently was rubbing shoulders with,
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  would say, well, you just confirm the baptism you had as a child.
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  And I can go with that for a certain amount.
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  But the meaning of baptism is so deep and so rich when you think about,
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  especially the Romans 6, about being dead to sin and alive in Christ.
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  So that going under that water as an adult, as a believer who knows what's going
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  on, reminds me that, hey, I have died to sin. I'm buried.
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  And dead people don't sin. anymore.
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  And then I'm raised into new life with Jesus Christ. To me, that makes a lot
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  of difference in how I move ahead in my faith.
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  So that's where I'm at. If I was, and I don't think, I have to ask,
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  mom and dad, was I ever baptized as a baby? We'll get you on that one.
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  I don't think I was, but I know that I was baptized as a believer.
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  And that's the one that I remember. Yeah.
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  So can they? Yeah. I think maybe they should. Yeah.
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  How are we coming on time? Good. Okay. Good deal.
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  What are all the churches you have pastored at? Oh, man.
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  Okay. This goes all back. Yeah. So I started as a youth pastor at Castle United
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  Methodist Church in Alcott, Indiana.
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  And I served there for a year and a half before we were called to Michigan Avenue
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  Mennonite Church in Pigeon, Michigan. And some of you know, Ron Schwarzingerberg, he's from that area.
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  And from Michigan Avenue Mennonite Church, we returned to seminary and finished my degree.
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  Then we went to Yoder Mennonite Church in Yoder, Kansas, and we served there five and a half years.
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  From there, we went to Heston for a period of time where I was youth pastor
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  at Heston Mennonite Church.
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  And then from Heston, we went to Burlington, Iowa.
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  Do you know where that's at? The way down. And I was pastor at the Peace Mennonite
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  Church in Burlington for three and a half years.
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  And then after a little break to recover, we went to Wellman Mennonite Church,
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  which is in this community, and served there as interim pastor.
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  And then we were called to the Presbyterian Church in Winfield,
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  Iowa to be their interim pastor before we were called.
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  Have anybody lost yet? before we were called to Lower Deer Creek Mennonite Church,
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  where we served for 19 years.
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  From there, we went to Westchester United Methodist Church at that time.
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  And helped them through the transition from the Methodist church to becoming an independent church.
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  And then we came to, oh, let's see, where are we at? Oh, we're at Kelowna Mennonite
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  Church, where now we've served almost two years.
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  So how many is that? Anybody cap count how many that is? I think it's eight. Ten, okay.
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  Ten, okay. Rowan's got the count. It's ten different congregations.
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  Several were short because they were interims.
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  But yeah, good question. Good question.
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  10 churches, 40 years, average four years of church. Hey, yeah. Okay. Ain't bad.
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  But one of them was 19. So that sort of skews things.
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  Neighborhood. This is actually, can we let this out?
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  This is Rowan's brother. You notice little, this is Rowan's little brother. Okay.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I'll throw it out there. Potentially next host. Oh, there you go.
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  Good smile. Hey, he's got it. So your question, Kelly.
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  So if somebody is a Baptist, as in John the Baptist, does that mean their job
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  is only baptizing people in like talking, like preaching, I guess?
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  Well, and it could be because John the Baptist did a lot of preaching.
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  In fact, his role was prepare the way for Christ. And he said,
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  here I come to prepare the way of the Lord.
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  Repent and be baptized every one of you. And he was talking about a repentance.
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  For the forgiveness of sins. We know that John's baptism existed all the way
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  into the book of Acts because several churches that started up had the baptism
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  of John, but were not baptized with the Holy Spirit.
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  And we see that almost up to chapter 15 of Acts.
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  So it was good work he did, praying the way for Christ.
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  Yeah. Good question. Good question. Now, does that mean you only want to be
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  a preacher or only a Baptist preacher?
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  Oh, okay. I'm giving you a hard time killing.
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  Cool. That might be it for the questions. Any others? Oh, we got a second.
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  We did allow them if they had a follow-up, they could do it in a second. Here's Wyatt.
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  If a Christian, if there's a Christian and they sin and then die before they
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  can repent, do they go to heaven?
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  Well, remember that first Corinthians chapter three passage that we talked about? It's 11 to 15.
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  And so basically the works we're put on top of the foundation of Christ, right?
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  For no other foundation can be laid than that which is already laid, which is Christ Jesus.
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  And then on top of that foundation, we either sow with gold,
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  silver, costly stones, or wood, hay, and straw.
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  And so I would say probably our sin when we do it is probably straw.
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  And so if they don't have time to repent, we know that in 1 John 1,
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  8 and 9, it says, confess your sins and,
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  moment, confess your sins and, oh, Rowan, help me. 1 John 1, 9, 8 and 9.
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  If you confess your sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
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  and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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  But if we don't confess our sins, we make God out to be a liar.
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  So you're right. Confession is really good and it's good for the soul.
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  It's something we as Christians ought to be actively engaged in.
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  God has a very understanding heart if something would happen and I maybe would
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  sin against you and hit you and not confess it before I die in a crash on the
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  way home. I think God's got that.
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  Okay? Yep. Thank you. Thank you.
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  Real quick, we had some questions about Revelation, so pre-rapture tribulation
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  or post-rapture tribulation?
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  Tribulation? Well, I think the tribulation, let's see, where's my graph?
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  It's over there somewhere.
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  I really think the tribulation is going to be after the thousand-year reign.
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  That seems to be much more chaotic than before.
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  If you look at Revelation chapter 20 and the thousand-year reign,
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  it looks like the reign starts, Jesus comes, does the judgment,
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  and the ruling bunch who had been beheaded rule with him.
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  And then right after that is that Armageddon and Gog and Magog,
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  those strife given wars.
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  And so I'm almost thinking it happens in that ring, that period of time. No?
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  I don't know for sure. I'm not there and I don't plan to be there at that time
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  because I plan to be with Jesus.
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  But something's going to set the stage for it.
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  He was asking tribulation, raptures before.
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  Yeah, yeah, that. Sorry, I worded
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  it wrong. Oh, the rapture happens before tribulation. Okay. I am sorry.
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  Rabbit trail, Don's fried. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
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  Yeah. The raptures before the tribulation, before the thousand year reign. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Whichever way you put the tribulation part. Yeah.
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  I see that in scripture. Yeah. Wow.
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  So it's been good. I really like this class and I hope you enjoyed this podcast
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  and stick around for another one one of these days.
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  Yeah. I think the kids kind of got Don a little worn out this week,
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  but maybe good for him. I don't know. Need Mageritol. Yes.
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  And old people will only understand that too. Yeah.
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  Yet again, do not know. Yeah. But thank you guys for joining us again this week.
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  We'll see you next time. Thank you for joining us for this podcast.
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  and is calling to us in our daily lives.
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  Thank you again for joining us and may God bless your day.