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FACE OF FEAR: IRYNA'S GUT-WRENCHING LOOK OF TERROR WHEN FATALLY STABBED BY CON OUT ON BOND · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The face of fear, Arena's gut wrenching look of terror
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  Speaker 2: when she is fatally stabbed by a convict, of course,
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  Speaker 2: out on bond.
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  Speaker 1: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: At just twenty three years old, refugee Arena Zaritska leaves
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  Speaker 3: everything behind to start a new life in the United
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  Speaker 3: States with her family. She dives right in, making friends,
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  Speaker 3: taking care of her neighbors, and exploring new places. Her
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  Speaker 3: future seems bright, but the American dream isn't as promising
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  Speaker 3: as she hoped.
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  Speaker 2: Just shaking us to the core that this beautiful young
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  Speaker 2: girl leaves Ukraine to come here, to chase the American
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  Speaker 2: to leave the violence, the poverty.
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  Speaker 1: The war torn drama.
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  Speaker 2: In Ukraine as she makes it her dream comes true.
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  Speaker 2: She comes to the US only to be stabbed dead
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  Speaker 2: on public transportation by a guy with arrest now bordering
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  Speaker 2: on twenty ars fourteen, that we know. Look at her,
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  Speaker 2: she's minding her own business. Oh dear, this is the guy.
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  Speaker 2: And these are just a few of the photos. Let
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  Speaker 2: me say the photos.
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  Speaker 1: I have of him.
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  Speaker 2: There are so many more. Why did Erna have to die?
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  Speaker 2: This is causing reverberations all the way to DC.
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  Speaker 4: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: On August twenty second, Arena Zarutsko was stabbed to death
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  Speaker 5: on the rail system in Charlotte, North Carolina by a
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  Speaker 5: savage career criminal. This is a public transportation system that
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  Speaker 5: many in the area use every single day to go to.
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  Speaker 1: School and work.
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  Speaker 5: Arena was on the train that night, traveling home from
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  Speaker 5: her job at a pizzeria, still in uniform from her shift.
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  Speaker 5: This beautiful, innocent, twenty three year old young woman was
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  Speaker 5: a Ukrainian refugee who had recently fled her country for
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  Speaker 5: a chance at a safer life and a promising new
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  Speaker 5: beginning here in the United States of America.
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  Speaker 3: Irena is traveling on the East West Boulevard light rail
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  Speaker 3: station Charlotte, North Carolina, headed home after working at a
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  Speaker 3: local pizza restaurant. Irena is by herself as she takes
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  Speaker 3: a seat and is on her phone listening with earbuds.
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  Speaker 3: Sitting directly behind Irena is a thirty four year old
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  Speaker 3: de Carlos Brown. The ride is uneventful until Brown stands
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  Speaker 3: up and without warning, stabs Irena in the neck. Brown
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  Speaker 3: then walks away as Irena grabs her neck trying to
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  Speaker 3: stop the flow of blood.
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  Speaker 1: Just such a blow to the us.
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  Speaker 2: That original sound from Caroline eleven at the White House
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  Speaker 2: Press Secretary, from our friends at Fox that this young
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  Speaker 2: girl leaves behind a war torn zone to seek the
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  Speaker 2: American dream and then get stabbed dead on the train
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  Speaker 2: by a guy who's now saying it.
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  Speaker 1: Was because she was Russian.
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  Speaker 2: What wait a minute, how did he know about her accent?
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  Speaker 2: Had he been stalking her? Did he know enough to
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  Speaker 2: hear her speak claiming she was Russian?
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  Speaker 1: So he stabbed her dead?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now?
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  Speaker 3: But listen, Passengers aboard the train look on as Arena
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  Speaker 3: bleeds out in front of them. As the suspect walks away,
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  Speaker 3: nobody confronts him. Blood is dripping on the floor from
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  Speaker 3: the knife and from Arena, but nobody offers her any help. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: some of the passengers on the train use their phones
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  Speaker 3: to video what is taking place. One of the passengers
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  Speaker 3: called nine one one.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my stars. The girl is lying on the floor
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  Speaker 4: bleeding out.
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  Speaker 2: Look at these people videoing her. What a butch of
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  Speaker 2: blood sucking.
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  Speaker 1: Gules look at that. Who are these people?
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  Speaker 2: No one helping her as she bleeds out on the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Instead they video her. Okay, that's a whole.
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  Speaker 4: Other can of worms. These people are.
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  Speaker 2: Gules, gules straight out of hell. To Lauren Colin, joining
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  Speaker 2: US investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV, Lauren, I
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  Speaker 2: want to circle back to what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: What do we know?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, Arena was leading her job at the pizza place
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  Speaker 6: where she worked and listen, Nancy, she did everything right.
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  Speaker 6: She came to the United States in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 6: she got her work with and she was working multiple jobs,
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  Speaker 6: one at the pizza place, one at an assisted living facility,
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  Speaker 6: and she was also helping animals, neighborhood animals who needed care.
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  Speaker 6: So Arena boarded this light rail that she took very
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  Speaker 6: frequently to go to and from work. So she boarded
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  Speaker 6: the train around nine forty six pm on August twenty second,
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  Speaker 6: twenty twenty five, and unfortunately she sat directly in front
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  Speaker 6: of the Carlos Brown Junior and we've seen the footy.
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  Speaker 6: About four minutes later after she boarded, that's when he
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  Speaker 6: got up and he subsequently stabbed her three times. And
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  Speaker 6: as you mentioned earlier, and this is what the most
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  Speaker 6: troubling thing is, I think about the whole thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: obviously the stabbing is just terrible, but it took two
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  Speaker 6: full minutes for bystanders to attempt to render aid, two
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  Speaker 6: full minutes.
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  Speaker 7: Now I don't know if she would.
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  Speaker 2: And most of them just stood around videoing her. Only
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  Speaker 2: I believe one guy tried to really help her and
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  Speaker 2: staunch the flow of blood. Everybody else just kept videoing her.
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  Speaker 2: Look at these people? What is wrong with them? And
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to jos Scott Morgan joining me
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  Speaker 2: right now, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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  Speaker 2: Beneath My Feet, host of Body Bags with Joe Scott
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  Speaker 2: Mortigan is a hit podcast series, but he most importantly
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  Speaker 2: is a death investigator who has literally investigated thousands of
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  Speaker 2: death scenes, be they accidental, undetermined suicide, homicide.
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  Speaker 4: Joe Scott, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Explain to me how she bled out so quickly on
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  Speaker 2: the floor of that train.
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  Speaker 8: Well, she's in our neck. We have this massive structure
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  Speaker 8: of vessels, both veins and artery that are running through here. Remember,
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  Speaker 8: we have to have supply for our brain, it's the
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  Speaker 8: most vascular organ in the body. So it's a tremendous
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  Speaker 8: amount of blood going upward eclipse these vessels. It's probably
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  Speaker 8: the internal jugular, probably the carotid, and there's even facial
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  Speaker 8: arteries that run up here to supply our face with blood.
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  Speaker 8: If you're going to clip somebody with an edged weapon
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  Speaker 8: wanting to bring about their death, this is the number
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  Speaker 8: one spot to go through or to go to, you know,
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  Speaker 8: And there's throughout history there have been attacks where people
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  Speaker 8: have had their throats cut. This is very similar to that, Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: I think that this is evidence certainly of intent to
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  Speaker 8: do grievous bodily harm. As matter of fact, bringing about
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  Speaker 8: the young woman's death just.
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  Speaker 2: Got a She lay there on the floor, the floor
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  Speaker 2: of a public rapid transit train. Ye, how long did
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  Speaker 2: it take her to die? She know what was happening.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, clearly.
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  Speaker 2: She's cognizant because she shrinks in and looks around. She
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  Speaker 2: did not die immediately, she suffered.
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  Speaker 8: No, she didn't die immediately. However, the death would have
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  Speaker 8: followed first first unconsciousness because the brain is not being
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  Speaker 8: obstgenated at that point in time. The blood that she
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  Speaker 8: had remaining is the only thing keeping her alive. There's
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  Speaker 8: no way to stem this, Nancy. If you look at
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  Speaker 8: the blood deposition just on the floor, you can even
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  Speaker 8: see it in that still shot on her pants. This
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  Speaker 8: blood has gone everywhere. We know that the volume of
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  Speaker 8: blood here, this is consistent. Now that's passive dropping, which
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  Speaker 8: from a forensic standpoint is hugely demonstrative. Nancy, can you
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  Speaker 8: imagine having this evidence in courtroom because you can actually
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  Speaker 8: show just got look.
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  Speaker 4: At the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's just sitting there like nothing happened.
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  Speaker 8: Look, yeah, yeah, it's just it's inundated. The floor is
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  Speaker 8: and you go back to where she is over there,
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  Speaker 8: it would have been an absolute horror show. Back there,
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  Speaker 8: she's bleeding out, probably when she hit the floor. You
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  Speaker 8: can apply direct pressure to a wound like that. But Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: the internal damage I would suspect was so grievous that
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  Speaker 8: she would not have survived. Even if you had had
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  Speaker 8: a team of surgeon standing by there with her, she
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  Speaker 8: wouldn't have had a shot. This is a holy lethal event.
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  Speaker 8: I think that this show's intent. And right here, look
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  Speaker 8: at him reaching in his pocket. He's that's a folding knife.
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  Speaker 8: He's got Nancy. He's unfolding that he's getting ready to gauge.
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  Speaker 8: He stands up and attacks her right there. And it
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  Speaker 8: was that quick.
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  Speaker 4: I believe just got Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: The blood droplets you're talking about that we just showed
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  Speaker 2: from the killer, because he just walks off with the
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  Speaker 2: blood dripping, literally dripping from the knife.
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  Speaker 1: And nobody does anything. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: Carlos Brown walks up and down the aisle before the
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  Speaker 3: train stops, at times stepping in IRENA's blood, spreading it
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  Speaker 3: in the walkway. Brown is not approached by anyone on
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  Speaker 3: the train, and as the train pulls into the station,
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  Speaker 3: he deboords as if nothing has taken place. Irena Zarutzka
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  Speaker 3: is bleeding to death on the train. As Brown exits
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  Speaker 3: the train. Police locate a folding pocket knife nearby that
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  Speaker 3: it's covered in blood. Irena is found laying on her
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  Speaker 3: back next to a large amount of blood and a
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  Speaker 3: stab wound in the middle of her neck.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see him changing shirts? Can we see that
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  Speaker 2: video again? Kelly Himan joining US high profile lawyer joining
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  Speaker 2: us out of the Florida jurisdiction, Star off Once Upon
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  Speaker 2: a Crime in Hollywood podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Kelly the fact that he keep.
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  Speaker 2: Rolling, changes his shirt to hide all the blood on
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  Speaker 2: his hoodie. That is clearly consciousness of guilt.
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  Speaker 9: This is a horrible tragedy, Dancy. And we're watching in
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  Speaker 9: the video right now of him changing his shirt. Now,
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  Speaker 9: this is something that never should have happened and hopefully
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  Speaker 9: will never happen again, that someone who comes to this
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  Speaker 9: country for promise and hope and for a new life
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  Speaker 9: is killed on mass transit.
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  Speaker 2: Changing shirt evidence of guilt, That's what I'm saying, Kelly.
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  Speaker 9: Why it potentially shows evidence of guilt because it goes
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  Speaker 9: to his state of mind.
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  Speaker 2: You know two doctor Sue Cornblooth joining us, owner of
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Sue and you author of Building Self Esteem and Children.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Sue, he didn't want people to see his bloody shirt.
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  Speaker 4: When he got off the train.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't he want people to see his bloody shirt
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  Speaker 2: because that would indicate he's the killer. That's white shows
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  Speaker 2: evidence of guilt. He knows what he did was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: That shows he knows it was wrong. He's trying to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that brings this topic up.
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  Speaker 10: Which other people are claiming that he's mentally ill and
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  Speaker 10: that he didn't know what he was doing. But as
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  Speaker 10: you can see right here. Oh he knows what he's doing, right,
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  Speaker 10: taking off his shirt, putting something else on to cover
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  Speaker 10: up the evidence that he has. So this is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Right was he mentally ill? Wasn't he mentally ill?
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  Speaker 7: What happened here?
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  Speaker 10: That's what I would like to know, Nancy, and I'm
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  Speaker 10: sure everybody else wants to know that too.
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  Speaker 2: And Tom Green joining US former Chief Deputy Washau County
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  Speaker 2: Sheriff's homicide detective, also currently owner Nevada Investigative Services.
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  Speaker 1: Tom, he also got rid of the weapon.
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  Speaker 2: He got rid of the weapon and hid his bloody
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  Speaker 2: shirt evidence of guilt.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence. He knew what he did was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And someone may have a mental illness before or after
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  Speaker 2: the incident.
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  Speaker 4: But what matters in our jurisprudence.
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  Speaker 1: This is the law. Whether anybody else agrees or not,
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  Speaker 1: the law.
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  Speaker 2: Is, if you know right from wrong at the time
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  Speaker 2: of the incident, you were not insane. It's called the
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  Speaker 2: Old Naughton test, and it is brought over.
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  Speaker 1: From Great Britain.
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  Speaker 2: It was brought here to the US, and it is
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  Speaker 2: part of our common law.
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  Speaker 1: What is common law? Common law is.
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  Speaker 4: Case law, their statutory law, which is.
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  Speaker 2: The code the criminal code, the black and white letter
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  Speaker 2: of the law that's been passed by the legislatures. And
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  Speaker 2: then there is common law, commonly used law. The old
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  Speaker 2: McNaughton test is the common law in the US. There
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  Speaker 2: are a few exceptions to it. There are modifications to it.
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  Speaker 2: Some jurisdictions don't even have insanity like Idaho doesn't even
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  Speaker 2: have the insanity defense. But where it exists, such as
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina, this jurisdiction, if you know right and wrong
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  Speaker 2: at the time of the event, you are sane and
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  Speaker 2: therefore responsible. What does this indicate to you, Tom Green, Well.
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  Speaker 11: It indicates consciousness of guilt. And then you know, also,
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  Speaker 11: if you watch that video, it appears that he's deliberating
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  Speaker 11: with himself before he makes the overt act of.
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  Speaker 8: Stabbing her in the neck.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean by that, Well.
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  Speaker 11: You can see him basically talking to himself, and I've
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  Speaker 11: read reports that he was overheard muttering to himself. You know, clearly,
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  Speaker 11: he takes that knife out, he does the stabbing, like
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  Speaker 11: you said, then he attempts to flee the scene. There's
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  Speaker 11: nowhere to go, so he has to change his appearance.
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  Speaker 11: He takes off his sweatshirt. It is probably covering his
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  Speaker 11: hand because I think he also got cut my understanding,
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  Speaker 11: and then as you said, he discards the evidence when
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  Speaker 11: he leaves the When he leaves.
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  Speaker 3: The rail, passengers aboard the train look on as Arena
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  Speaker 3: bleeds out in front of them. As the suspect walks away,
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  Speaker 3: nobody confronts him. Blood is dripping on the floor from
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  Speaker 3: the knife and from Arena, but nobody offers her any help. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: some of the passengers on the train use their phones
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  Speaker 3: to video what is taking place. One of the passengers
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  Speaker 3: calls nine to one. One. Known for her love of
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  Speaker 3: animals and art, Irena dreams of becoming a veterinary assistant.
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  Speaker 3: Her tight knit family supports her as she addaps to
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  Speaker 3: life in the US, mastering English and landing a job
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  Speaker 3: at pizza restaurant. But one faithful Friday night on her
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  Speaker 3: journey home, things take a terrifying turn.
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  Speaker 2: So innocent, so hard war working, this girl dead because
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  Speaker 2: an ex con was walking out free on bond Thanks
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  Speaker 2: Judd with a rap seat as long as I seventy
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  Speaker 2: five there on the train to murder this girl. Those
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  Speaker 2: are only a few of this guy's mugshots, and this
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  Speaker 2: has echoed all the way to DC listen.
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  Speaker 5: Surveillance video of the killing was finally released to the
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  Speaker 5: public this past Friday.
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  Speaker 1: It shows the alleged killer, to Carlos.
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  Speaker 5: Brown Junior, pull out a knife, get up from his
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  Speaker 5: seat behind Arena, and prepare to thrust a blade into
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  Speaker 5: her neck before the released footage gets cut. This is
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  Speaker 5: pure evil on full display.
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  Speaker 3: Surveillance video shows suspect de Carlos Brown sitting behind Irena.
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  Speaker 3: He takes a knife out of his pocket, unfolds the
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  Speaker 3: blade and strikes Irena as there's got three times from behind.
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  Speaker 3: She never saw it coming. As Brown walks away down
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  Speaker 3: the aisle in the middle of the train, blood is
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  Speaker 3: seen from the knife onto the floor.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: You earlier heard the White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt
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  Speaker 2: speaking from our friends at Fox. You know Joe Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 2: professor Forensic shacksvill State University death investigator. He stabbed her
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  Speaker 2: multiple times. And the law is I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: Kelly Hymen on this in just a moment.
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  Speaker 1: The law is that intent.
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  Speaker 2: Can be formed in the blink of an eye blink,
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  Speaker 2: just like that, and the twinkling of a moment. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, in the time it takes as I use
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  Speaker 2: for juries to raise the gun and pull the trigger.
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  Speaker 4: That's long enough for intent.
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  Speaker 2: It does not require a long, premeditated plan such as
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  Speaker 2: poisoning someone over the course of weeks and months.
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  Speaker 4: Till they die.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't require any real period of time at all.
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  Speaker 4: And I gave you the gun comparison.
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  Speaker 2: But in this case, Joe Scott, he stabbed her multiple times,
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  Speaker 2: which requires a lift and a stab, a lift and
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  Speaker 2: a stab, a lift and a dad. Added to the
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  Speaker 2: time that you pointed out that he's fumbling around in
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  Speaker 2: his pocket to get the knife. All of that takes time.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott, what do you believe was the force the
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  Speaker 2: weighted force necessary to penetrate.
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  Speaker 1: Her caroate it?
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  Speaker 8: Huh, not very much. Hey, did you notice something, Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't pick on a two hundred and fifty pound
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  Speaker 8: construction worker with a hard hat, and I did. He
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  Speaker 8: He picked on this young woman who literally I'm looking
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  Speaker 8: at her. She reminds me of my daughter when my
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  Speaker 8: daughter was this age, Built like a ballerina, she might
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  Speaker 8: weigh maybe one hundred and ten pounds perhaps, and this
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  Speaker 8: big guy goes after her. What you know, it's almost
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  Speaker 8: it's almost like throwing throwing a brick through a stained
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  Speaker 8: glass window. Where are you going to do this? What's
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  Speaker 8: the purpose behind this? He's thinking about this, I can
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  Speaker 8: tell you this. He's sure as hell. What unfolded that
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  Speaker 8: knife so he could pick his nails or peel an apple?
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  Speaker 8: Back there, he's summoning up. It's not courage, it's certainly
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  Speaker 8: not courage. He's summoning up the maximum amount of evil
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  Speaker 8: he can as he savages this poor girl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, roll that back one more time,
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  Speaker 2: because you see him not only fish around for the knife,
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  Speaker 2: you see him open up the blade as he's looking
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  Speaker 2: through his pockets right there, he opened the blade. That
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  Speaker 2: takes time, Kelly Himen, veteran trial lawyer, that's more than
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  Speaker 2: enough time under the law to form intent to kill.
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  Speaker 1: Intent is key.
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  Speaker 9: For the first degree charge against him. Nancy, and you
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  Speaker 9: bring up a really good point in the blink of
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  Speaker 9: an instant is going to be key for this case
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  Speaker 9: that at that moment he had the specific intent to
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  Speaker 9: harm and cure cure the harm ant arm this woman.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Tom Green, following up on what jo Scott
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Morgan said, he didn't pick on a three hundred pounds
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: linebacker the size of fridge. He picked on this little girl.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: To me, that is a predator. That is a predator
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: that picks his victim knowingly, with consciousness of forethought.
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: I agree, I mean he did. He looked like a predator,
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: and she looked like prayer. She had no idea that
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: attack was coming. You saw the surprise on her face,
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: the terror, the fear, and the shock. I mean, it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: just it's a horrific crime.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well to me, all of that. Tom goes to intent.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Look at her, Oh my goodness, just you know, amazingly
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: physically beautiful, but Lauren Colin beautiful on the inside as well.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Explain.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Irena really cared about animals in need. She volunteered and
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: helped neighbor hood animals if they were, you know, hurt or.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Harmed in any way. And she was said to be
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: an amazing and passionate.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Artist and per her family Nancy, she just loved the
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: United States.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, she was living in.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: A bunker in Ukraine before she came here, obviously trying
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: to escape the war. She loved America and that's why
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: her family wants her to be very here.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, war Torn in Ukraine, where
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: she was living in a bomb shelter. Twenty three year
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: old Irena Zarutzka immigrates with her mother, sister, and brother
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: to the United States. A graduate of Senergy College and
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Art and Restoration, she shares her creativity with family and friends,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: creating personal works of art for gifts and marking special
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: occasions and exploring new places. But Irena is a homebody
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: at heart, happiest surrounded by her pets and family, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: dreams of a career as a veterinary assistant. After her shift,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: the college graduate boards the train unknowingly sitting in front
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of de Carlos Brown, a man with a violent past.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Little does she know, Brown is about to alter the
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: course of her night.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: You heard who.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Irina was living in a bunker in Ukraine, a bomb shelter.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Finally, her dream comes true.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: She makes it to the US, only to meet up
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: with de Carlos Brown.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So we know who she is who is he.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: The most enraging and unacceptable part of the story is
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: that her death was entirely preventable. De Carlos Brown never
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: should have been on that train that night. In fact,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: he should have been behind bars. De Carlos Brown has
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: been charged with crimes no fewer than fourteen times dating
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: back to twenty and eleven, including for armed robbery, felony lars,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: breaking and entering, and shoplifting. Brown had previously served five
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: years in prison for a robbery with a deadly weapon charge,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: and he had also forfeited bonds three different times.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: De Carlos Brown was born and raised in Charlotte, North Carolina,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: and has a criminal record dating back to twenty eleven.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Many charges are for communicating threats and injury to property
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: that were dismissed by Mecklenburg District Attorneys Andrew Murray and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Spencer Merriweather. In April twenty fourteen, Brown pleaded guilty to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: two twenty thirteen charges of felony larceny and breaking and entering.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: A judge suspended his sentence of five to fifteen months
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: in prison. Instead, the judge ordered he served two years probation.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, dear lord, So he pleads guilty to two charges
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: felony larceny and breaking and entering. But the judge do
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: we have a picture of The judge suspends the sentence
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and gives him two years probation straight. Thanks judge, Thanks
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: two years straight probation, he walks out free.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: You happy, judge? Are you happy? The guy pled guilty.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And took a sentence of jail time, and then the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: judge suspended the sentence. Earlier, Elevet speaking from our friends
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: at Fox on Friend But guys, this is just the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg. Our screen doesn't have room for
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: all of his mugshots.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Listen.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Four months into probation, Brown robs a man in South Charlotte.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Brown paced the complex for an hour before brandishing a handgun.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: He demands the victim's phone and money, and left in
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: a two thousand and one Dodge caravan with the man
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Samsung Galaxy Note four hundred and fifty dollars and one
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars Limpura Hondura's currency note. Police found Brown's car
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: at an apartment owned by his mother. He was cooperative
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: with officers at first and allowed officers to go inside.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: When officers found the stolen items, he grew and asked
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: officers to leave. They don't leave, they arrest Brown. Brown
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: pleaded guilty to robbery with a dangerous weapon and was
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: sentenced to a maximum of eight years four months. He
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: served five years seven months before being released from Central Prison.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Kelly Hymen, that's a whole other can of worms.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: When I was negotiating felony please, and or trying felonies.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Let's just say a young man comes in with five
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: hits a crack, all right, I could go with intend
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to distribute on that five hits.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Was he going to do all that himself?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: That's one thing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But if he has a gun, that is a whole
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: another animal, because when you have a gun, that means
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you're up to hurting somebody else. So it's not just
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that he was calling nine one one and misusing nine
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: one one. It's not just he went into somebody's house
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and stole something. He had a weapon on more than
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: one occasion.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And that kicks it up several notches.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And who and the hey let this guy walk after
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: brandishing weapons and they keep referring to a robbery.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: It was not a robbery. He had a weapon when
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: he committed that robbery.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: That's been pled down.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: As we say, a robbery is a lot lighter sentence
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: than an armed robbery. An armed robbery, even if it's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a fake toy gun, a fake rubber knife, much less
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a real knife or a real gun. You start at
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a minimum a five years hard jail time minimum. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: if you can get your prosecutor to come off armed
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and say, look, look, sentence made a ten years on robbery,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: not five on armed because on robbery you'll walk in
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: about a year two years max. On armed robbery you
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: have a minimum of five. So somebody pled that down
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and let him plead to robbery versus armed robbery.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: But I mean brandishing a weapon. He should have been
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: behind bars.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: The punishment should fit the crime. Nancy, And you bring
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: up a really good point about talking about the fact
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: that there was a gun involved in how that heightens
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: the crime as well. And we think about if in
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: fact he was behind bars, that this woman happened, this
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: young beautiful woman would not have lost her life. That
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: there needs to be some type of change that hopefully
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: this can shed light on the fact that such a
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: young woman, so beautiful, with so much hope, lost her
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: life and she did that and hopefully there'll be some
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: type of justice for her family.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, I want to talk about the judge, but
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: first listen to more. This guy got so many breaks
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: from the system.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: A fleet of defense attorneys helped him.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Cases were plied down byors, but most important the judge.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: The judge. Listen.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Despite all of this past documented criminal history, when Brown
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: was arrested yet again in January of this past year,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: a Democrat judge released this insane criminal once again without
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: requiring him to pay any bill. He simply had to
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: sign a written promise to return for his court hearing.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Think about how crazy it is to ask a career criminal,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: someone who by definition repeatedly breaks the law, to just
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: sign a written promise and come back again another day.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: This is madness.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: This monster should have been locked up and Arena should
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: still be alive.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That's Carolyn Levett, the White House Press secretary speaking.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: What is she talking about?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Oh wait till you hear.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: This crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: In September twenty twenty two, Brown arrested on assault on
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: a female an injury to property. April twenty twenty four,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Brown arrested for misusing nine one one May twenty twenty four,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: misusing nine one one January twenty twenty five, misusing nine
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: one one January twenty twenty five. Judge Teresa Stokes released
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Brown the same day he was arrested on a written promise.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: To appear.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Brown did not present himself for evaluation. Three weeks later,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: he is alleged to have killed Irena. If that order
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: was followed, he would have been evaluated weeks before the stabbing.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: The public defender in his murdered charge filed a motion
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: questioning Brown's mental capacity, and Wiggins again ordered dB evaluated.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Police have not identified any motive or lengthy attack to
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: mental illness.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, okay, law and Colin. This guy's a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: career criminal. And the judge, Teresa Stokes says, Okay, I'm
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: going to cush you loose, doing you a big favor,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: but now you gotta promise, pinky, promise.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: That you'll come.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Back to court again.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Pinky promise to promise, promise to Carlos Brow that you'll
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: come back.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: What the hey was she thinking?
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: I have no words, Nancy.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: The fact that he was walking on the street after
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: she knows what he's done, she knows these these assaults
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: that occurred, she knows that he had fourteen prior arrests
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: with weapons, he had pre basically assault bit his own sister.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: So the fact, again that he was released on a
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: written promise to appear is incredibly, incredibly concerning, and at
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: this point, Republicans in North Carolina are asking her to
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: step down.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: They are writing letters.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I really don't care who's a Democrat and who's Republican. Okay,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: don't care. This is beyond anything political. I don't care
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: if you're red or blue, or green or purple.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Show me the video please, New York Control Room.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I don't care who you vote for in the secrecy
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: of the voting booth. If you do not believe that
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: this is pure evil and the judge who let him walk,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: really all of them, it wasn't just one, should get
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: off the bench. They're too out of it. They must
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: be too complacent. They haven't been in the real world.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: They've been in their ivory tower office in the courthouse
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: way too long. They need to look at this every
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: single day. Because of them, he was walking free and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: she's dead.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: You know what, I don't think they care, Kelly Hyman.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Judges, not all of them, but so many of them
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: don't care. Get off the bench if you don't care,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: get the h double l out of the courthouse. I
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: just you know, I've had judges that just want to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: clear the calendar.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: They want to clear the calendar.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I had a judge, an amazing judge, Judge Luther Alberson,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and he was hell bent that we would have the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: lowest jail count of anybody in the courthouse. Why because
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: he was so old that he could have been.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Forced into mandatory retirement.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: But he was already on the bench when mandatory retirement
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: was enacted.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: He wanted the jail count low. What's the jail count?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: That's how many people are sitting in jail waiting for you,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the judge, to.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Adjudicate their case.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: And if you've got a huge jail count, that must
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: mean you're not doing your job. But he would never
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: take a plea unless it was the right thing to do.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You to hay with the jail count. In fact, none
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of my Please don't worry about that. But I've seen
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: him take a plea from prosecute and go the bench.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I eat me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: The bench rejects the plea agreement.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I advise both counsel to continue plea negotiations or we
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: will strike a jury. Yeah, he didn't have a problem
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: doing that if the plea was too low or out
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: of place or inappropriate.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what did that mean for me?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: That means meant I had to go on trial trial
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: calendar every other week to keep the jail count low
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and to get an appropriate sentence at trial. Okay, these
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: judges don't give a flying fig what the hate let
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this guy walk free? Say, well, we're gonna get him evaluated,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: but you let him walk for you're so concerned about
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: his mental state that you want a forensic mental value,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: but you let him walk free to murder Arena.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they need to be thrown off the bench, Kelly, Well, Nancy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: That will ultimately be up to the people who vote
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: for him, because in some states they can vote for
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: who they want as their judge. But then also the
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: governor can appoint the state judges as well, so it's
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: going to be different depending on the state.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: But yes, and that's their.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: Ultimate decision of whether or not that they want someone
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: on the bench to serve the people, because the judge ultimately.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: Is the decider of the fact. And sadly, in this case, this.
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: Gentleman was not in jail or being mentally evaluated, and
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: he committed this pus penous crime of beautiful young girl.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: What do you have to do to get a judge
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: off the bench? What put a stick of dynamite under
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: their rear end to say it's over. You're going to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: have to go get a regular job like everybody else.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Look at crime stories. We don't care if you're a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Democrat or Republican. In fact, we could not care less
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: than we do. And I don't care who likes or
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: dislikes Trump.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: That is not my concern. But what he is saying
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: here is true.
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the results of these
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: policies when a twenty three year old woman who came
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: here from Ukraine met her bloody end on a public train.
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: And here's a picture of it. This is the picture
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: of it. And this is a picture of the woman,
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: a beautiful young girl that never had problems in life,
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: with a magnificent future in this country. And now she's dead.
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: She was slaughtered by a deranged monster who was roaming
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: free after fourteen prior.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Arrests from friends.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: At Fox without warning, De Carlos Brown pulls out a
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: pocket knife, stands and lunges over the seat, stabbing Irena
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: in the neck. As he walks away. Irena fights desperately
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: for her life, clutching her neck to stop the flow
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: of blood.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Unable to call for help, and the passers by stood
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: there and let it happen. I don't know if you
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: are familiar with the Kitty Genevisi case. I had to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: learn about it in first year of law school. Kitty
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Genevisi May she Rest in peace, was brutally raped and murdered.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: There were scores of onlookers that watched the attack and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: did nothing, to the point that it is now called
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the Kitty Genevisi syndrome. To doctor Sue Cornblue, renowned expert,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: please explain the Kiddy Dinavasi syndrome.
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, you hit on something that is very accurate here.
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: So the Kitty gen Avc case in nineteen sixty four
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: was that she was getting brutally murdered and people heard
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: about this, and nobody took it on to call the
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: police about this. Why because everybody believes that somebody else
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: is going.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: To do it. So it's about the diffusion of responsibility.
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: But let me say this, when you are witnessing something,
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: it is everybody's responsibility to jump in right away and
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: do something, not bring out.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Your phone so that you can get your viral clip.
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: And it's not okay to think that somebody else is
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: going to step in and do something. We all have
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: the responsibility of citizens and human beings to have empathy
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: and compassion. And so when you see something that is
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: going on, it is everybody's responsibility to jump in and
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: do something.
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: And that didn't.
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: Happen here quick enough, and I want to remind people
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: of that. It is everybody's responsibility to jump in right
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: away and call nine to one one to get help
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: for somebody in need. That is what you would want
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: if something something was happening to you. It's not an
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: excuse anymore that you're going in to trauma and you're
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: not doing this because you have.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Enough whereabouts in your mind to get your video camera
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: up and video it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: And this just kills me because perhaps if this happened,
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: this beautiful young lady could have survived.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And you know, it takes another step to Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Professor or Jacksonville State University.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Not only did they not help her, finally one.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Guy runs up and tries to start the float of
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: blood with his own shirt. They not only didn't act
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to help her, they actively began videoing her dying. Now,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Kitty Genovesi was murdered outside her apartment and a full
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: view of everyone else in an apartment complex in Queens.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: She was attacked, attacked and attacked three separate occasions before
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: she was before she actually died, and everyone stood by.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: The people that watched Irena be attacked and die, they
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: not only did nothing, they.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Actively began videoing the carnage. Joe Scott.
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like it's there. They're living in an alternate universe.
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: What good is that? Is that videography going to do?
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: You heard someone mention just a second ago, going viral,
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: so that you're telling me that trump's this young woman's life.
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: You've already been visited by a monster that was just
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: among you. He's exited stage right at this point. Oh now,
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: let's let's take a look and video. All that's left
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: here is as her as her life literally seeps out
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: of her neck onto the filthy floor of this train
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: where she's just trying to get by in life, having
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: escaped Nancy, having escaped a war zone, a war zone,
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: and now she's in Charlotte, North Carolina, and get stabbed
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: in the throat by this guy. And let me tell
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: you what if you like that, let me tell you
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: one more thing. You were talking about judges and this
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: guy being cut loose on the rest of society. Nancy,
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: there's something that's gone unmentioned here. After he perpetrates this crime,
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: does everybody notice how casually he just kind of walks away.
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: It's almost like he's used to violence. It's almost like
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: he knows he is not gonna be punished. This guy
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  Speaker 8: has to be off the streets. They cannot let him
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  Speaker 8: back out there. He is the worst of us. He
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  Speaker 8: needs to be retained, He needs to be held to account.
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  Speaker 8: He never needs to see the light of day again.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I agree with you, But don't you
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  Speaker 2: understand it's in daylight and a dollar short. All of
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  Speaker 2: these judges should have had him off the street at
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  Speaker 2: the get go.
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  Speaker 4: But there he is, taking his shirt off.
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  Speaker 2: God forbid that anyone sees blood on his shirt after
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  Speaker 2: he murders Arena Tom Green.
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  Speaker 1: Everything Joe Scott Morgan just said is correct.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely, But you know, we're looking at cashless bail, we're
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  Speaker 11: looking at restorative justice when we know what works. Incapacitation works.
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  Speaker 11: If he had been locked up, she'd be alive. Who
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: else is he victimized?
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  Speaker 1: Why he's even on that rail?
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  Speaker 8: He has no job, What does he do?
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  Speaker 11: How did he get on? How do he afford to
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  Speaker 11: get the ticket to get on there?
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  Speaker 7: Here?
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  Speaker 11: She is coming home from work, like you said, coming
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  Speaker 11: from a war zone.
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  Speaker 7: She's a survivor.
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  Speaker 11: And to be snuffed out by this coward is animal.
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  Speaker 2: Or anybody, not just such a beautiful cover girl like her,
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  Speaker 2: but anybody. What if that had been a child in
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  Speaker 2: front of him? And to doctor Sue Cornblooth joining us,
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  Speaker 2: I just want an addendum to the Kitty Genovisi case.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall. His name was Winston Moseley.
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  Speaker 2: He murdered her at age twenty nine. He confessed, he
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: was tried, he was convicted. We pay for his three
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  Speaker 2: hots and a cot for fifty two years. He lived
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  Speaker 2: to age eighty one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're in the.
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  Speaker 2: Library, meeting with lawyers, reading books, enjoying his meals.
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  Speaker 1: Blah blah, fifty two.
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  Speaker 2: Years we pay for him after he murdered, raped and murdered,
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  Speaker 2: brutally murdered Kitty Geneves. Now mirror image to Carlos Brown,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: same thing. He should have already been behind bars and
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: this and everybody not only did nothing, they videoed it.
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  Speaker 7: It's so troubling, Nancy. It's so disturbed. And what I hope.
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  Speaker 10: Happens here is this guy is put in the justice
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  Speaker 10: system once and for all, and you know, seeks the
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: judge here, seeks justice for what has gone on here,
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  Speaker 10: because as you said before to me, there is no
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: room for him to have been let out into the
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  Speaker 10: streets without having a thorough forensic evaluation done. Do you
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  Speaker 10: know I believe I read Nancy that he had already
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: been arrested fourteen to twenty two times and the mental
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: health evaluation was just ordered this past July.
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  Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? He should have been evaluated for
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: day one.
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  Speaker 10: It was his mother, his mother that took him to
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: get evaluated, and then they said that he had schizophrenia.
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: But let me say this, schizophrenia right, yes, that is
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: a mental disorder, but not all schizophrenics are murderers. Schizophrenics
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: take their medication and some of them do very well.
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  Speaker 10: For me, Nancy, this was a drop in the legal
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: system and a judge unfortunately did not do his job
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  Speaker 10: and put this mentally ill person back into society when
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: he was already doing things to hurt others.
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  Speaker 1: Well, another thing, doctor Seu, is if they were so worried.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: They must not have been that worried about his mental
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: ailment if it exists, because if they.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Were, why would they let him walk out the front door.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So they must not have been too worried about all
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: of us or about Arena. Guys, Hello, we hear your
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: phone calls from jail. I'm not telling anything you shouldn't
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: already know. But people still yack. The smartest people yack
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: behind bars. They cannot keep their pieholes shut. And here
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: is the Carlos Brown yakking with his sister.
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  Speaker 1: You said something in your body did what? Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: Now the material? Uh, I feel like the material used
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: my body.
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  Speaker 7: Step the lady and so she just got stabbed.
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  Speaker 13: You know that's not me. I'm talking about this for
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: no reason. But since they did that, Since they did that,
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: now they got to investigating materia. My body is supposed
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: to they want to do all that. Now they got
• 45:35
  Speaker 13: to investigate.
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  Speaker 9: Fu she's from she's from the Ukraine, she's from Russia.
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: And you know, they got a warrant.
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  Speaker 7: They had a war going on against the United States.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: So I'm just trying to understand of all people.
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  Speaker 13: That's Hey, it ain't I don't have nothing. They just
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: lashed out on her. That's that. That's what happened. They
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: lashed out on her, what was working out, who was
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: working at whoever was working in material? They last out
• 46:04
  Speaker 13: on they.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: They obviously they is him. He lashed out.
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  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Arena's murder,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: even if you think it's inconsequential, it may not matter.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Please call the tip line seven zero four three three
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  Speaker 2: four sixteen hundred Repeat seven zero four three three four
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  Speaker 2: sixteen hundred. Now we remember an American hero, Sheriff Robert Rogers,
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  Speaker 2: Wilcox County Sheriff's Georgia, killed in the line of duty
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  Speaker 2: after twenty two years in law enforcement, leaving behind a
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  Speaker 2: grieving widow, Heley, and son Robert. American hero Sheriff Robert Rogers.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests, but it's alsure to you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll see
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  Speaker 2: you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend, m
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  Speaker 1: HM.