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#145 - Lemoyne Alexander - Producer/Musician/Songwriter · The Chris and Mike Show

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  That's because I pressed live I. Like that music?
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  That's us, brother. Yeah, that's Freeman.
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  Written 30 years ago. It's still relevant today.
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  Timeless lyrics. Man, recreate that drum beat and
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  send it to me as a gift. There you go.
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  What's up there, boys and girls? I'm Chris.
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  He's Mike. This is the Chris and Mike show
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  coming to you live on Twitch and the YouTube.
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  And we have as a very special guest Rock'n'roll star chart
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  climbing former rap producer, artist extraordinaire Lemoyne
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  Alexander. Welcome.
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  New new single literally just dropped yesterday ladies.
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  And gentlemen, yeah, yeah. So drop the information on the
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  single Lemoine. Yeah, tell us all about it.
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  Did he freeze now? Are we in a freezing world?
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  Can you hear? Us.
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  Can you still hear us, Lemoine? What is up with the Internet
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  gauze today? This is that cable splice in the
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  Pacific Ocean deal messing with this.
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  It's got to be. Oh, he he can still hear the
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  music. What the hell?
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  See, I have nothing that tells tells me to.
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  Shut the music off, I can't hear the music.
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  Yeah, it is still OK. What about now?
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  Can you hear music in Alamoine? Is it done?
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  Yeah, I can hear you. Dude, what the hell is there?
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  We go Internet today. I could tell you we're still
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  jamming out him and I couldn't hear the music anymore, I said.
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  I think he can still hear the music.
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  Yeah, yeah, there's something weird going on.
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  Mike alluded to it that there was a Internet cable in the in
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  the ocean was severed, some kind of fiber.
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  So, you know, all kinds of crazy shits going on today,
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  apparently. You can hear us now though,
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  right? Yeah, I can hear you guys all.
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  Right. Cool.
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  Yeah. So what I what I had asked you
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  before you couldn't hear me was, was let's talk about the single
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  drop, drop the knowledge. So people that are joining us
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  that may not know you, even though you're the most watched
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  episode we have on our YouTube channel, talk about the new
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  single, where they can find it. What's what's coming up for you
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  in the next month or so as far as shows and stuff like that's
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  concerned. Then we'll just dive into a
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  conversation like always. Sure, sure.
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  The next thing was actually it just dropped like 24 hours ago.
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  It's called Claustrophobia. And so far it's doing really
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  well and everybody likes it. You know, I'm excited about it.
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  And it's one of those, those songs that personal like like
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  insecurity. And I have shows coming up
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  scheduled. The, the first one is New
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  Year's. I'm, I'm going to be in Chicago
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  on New Year's Eve performing. It's going to be like a party.
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  I mean, I'm going to be giving away merchandise like stuff like
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  this here. My, my, my, my microphones.
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  Oh, right on. Awesome.
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  And lots of posters and free stuff that you get when you come
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  to my show. It's going to be more like a
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  like a party than a concert because we're going to have fun
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  that night and then I'll have some scheduled shows in January.
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  February going into 2026 is going to be really busy for me.
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  Cool, You're coming to Arizona. Yes, absolutely good.
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  I have. Let me.
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  Know when you're. There and I can't wait to get
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  there. Let me know when because last
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  time you came out, I think it was, it was some weird weekend
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  where we couldn't connect. So give me a heads up when
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  you're coming to the show. I'm.
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  Coming out there to do a show when I come out there.
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  It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Cool. Right on.
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  We'll we'll, I'll grab, I'll grab the wife.
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  We'll come take. We'll come, we'll come join the
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  crowd. And you know, please.
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  I'm, I'm going like I'm telling him I'm going to grab him and
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  take him on stage. With me.
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  There you go. Yeah, I'm in Arizona side.
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  Well, Nikki's got this thing about New Year's Eve.
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  Whatever we do on New Year's Eve is what you do for the rest of
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  the year, which is why I've never played a show on New
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  Year's Eve, because she wants to be doing me on New Year's Eve
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  instead of me standing in front of crowd singing.
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  So I've, I've respected that for 31 years.
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  So I got to, you know, I got to honor that because, you know.
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  I don't have a wife to respect yet so.
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  So, but yeah, yeah, we're down. So where can they find your
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  single? The singles everywhere.
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  We talking on Spotify, Apple, Deezer, anywhere.
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  You can get your music from Amazon, It's everywhere.
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  OK, cool. You know, I would appreciate it
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  if you guys, everybody could go listen to it and leave a comment
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  about it and tell me what you think of it.
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  Absolutely, absolutely. That's why I tried to share all
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  your stuff. That's super important, ladies
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  and gentlemen, you people that are listening, it costs you
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  nothing to hit that share button.
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  That's zero. And it helps out so much because
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  if you share your friends share, then their friends share.
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  That's the idea. Yep.
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  And here's Lemoyne's and here's and here's Lemoyne's, excuse me,
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  Spotify page. So that's what we're talking
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  about. Insecurity is one that that he
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  came out originally. There's claustrophobia.
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  There's a new one. Yes, so.
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  All you got to do is listen to it and then give it a thumbs up.
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  And then while you're there, just listen to all these other
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  things, all these other songs, you know, because while you're
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  there, you might as well just enjoy the moment with, you know,
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  Yeah. Because insecurity is a banger
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  too, and it did super well on many different platforms, right?
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  Yes, it is. It's everywhere.
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  It's a matter of fact. It's still going strong.
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  It's a great song. Oh yeah.
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  I see people sharing that all over the place, especially on
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  TikTok. You have a incredible following.
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  On Oh yeah. But that's the thing, man.
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  Yeah, that's like started a thing.
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  That's yeah, that's good because that's like supposed to be the
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  thing. Now everybody's on TikTok,
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  they're getting off of the Facebook and Instagrams and.
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  Yeah. You know at.
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  Least that's when you go to. But oh, it's funny, dude.
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  I'm going to show you this is because it can crack you up,
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  Lemoyne. So check this out because I like
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  this. I learned, we've learned how to
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  screen share since we first talked to you.
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  So we stare shit, we we stare shit.
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  We screen share when we're talking to our guests because we
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  want to promote you, right? Look at the second thing that
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  comes up when I typed in your name on Google Man.
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  Oh yeah, 2 days ago. Happy.
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  Birthday. But yeah, but think about that.
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  That's the second thing that pops up.
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  I saw that. That just cracks me up though.
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  I've all the things. So cool.
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  Of all the things that Lemoyne Alexander would pop.
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  But the second thing that pops up is me wishing happy birthday.
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  So you got to look. You got to look.
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  Yeah, you're welcome, man. So, but yeah, so I want to, I
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  want to get, I want to get. There's your main stuff.
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  There's the overview. If you just type in Lemoyne
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  Alexander on Google, you're going to get, you're going to
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  come to his stuff right here. You got his official artist page
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  for for Instagram. You got the Spotify link we
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  talked about? You go watch his videos on
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  YouTube, subscribe to his channel.
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  You can write comments on that as well.
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  Yeah, there's his actual website, Isotope Records artist.
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  Is that how Isotopia isotope? Yeah, that was that was a great
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  label. I was on with the last two
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  albums. The new album is is is with
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  Symphonic and Wicked now. OK, OK, cool.
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  Look there. I I still come up, but that's
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  crazy. That's yeah.
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  There you are like. Like, but what the odd?
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  That's just crazy shit right there.
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  And there's the Claustro Claustrophobia little clip,
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  their new single, so be sure to check that out.
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  There's his albums, right? Yes, Yep.
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  What's the when's you're gonna drop the entire new album with
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  these songs you're on? Album, it's scheduled, I think
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  it's scheduled for March. OK, cool.
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  The the whole entire album, I think you're gonna really,
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  really enjoy it too, because it's it's great songs like like
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  Insecurity and Claustrophobia. Yeah.
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  I like the format you were going to release it on to that little
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  guitar that you had. Yeah, I'm going to do that.
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  Physical format are you still doing?
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  That yeah, that's going to be really.
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  Cool man. Yeah, that's that's a great,
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  unique way to release an album. Uh huh.
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  Absolutely. I love that.
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  Yeah, yeah. That's your Facebook cover,
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  Paige Lemoyne. Yes, I was looking at it.
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  I'm I'm enjoying this. Yeah.
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  Do you do these or do you have someone do these for you?
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  My record company and my management team does all of
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  this. Nice, they do a fantastic job.
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  I I love them turning you into an animated character.
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  It's so. Cool.
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  Yeah, I thought it was crazy at first, but it really worked and
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  the fans like this, so we went with it.
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  We stayed with it, yeah. Yeah, well, I'm a fan.
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  I like it. So yeah.
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  Yeah, it's cool. And I like the fact that you got
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  all the stuff, you got the guitars, you got the the
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  keyboard, you got the drums back there.
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  Because if people don't know, he plays all the instruments.
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  Like he could put his own band together in his own house, in
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  his basement, in his studio, and come out the next day with a
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  with an entire full song where he's played every single
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  instrument on the album. In addition to being the
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  engineer, the producer. Right.
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  Same thing. Yeah, yeah.
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  That's so cool man. Yeah, so see there's.
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  Him blessed here. Yeah, but see, there's, there's
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  him, the insecurity artwork. Look, that's him on all
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  different levels of, of music, right?
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  That's all he's that's him. That's all his alter egos.
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  He's a schizophrenic musician. He plays everything.
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  Yeah, actually you're right. Oh, there's an old picture.
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  You on the stage? Man, that's a cool.
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  One, yeah, I saw that was last year.
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  Right on, dude. Where's that at?
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  That was in California. OK.
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  And that's cool. Big state.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot.
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  Like black and I like, I like, I like black and white Man, black
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  and white pictures are so cool. Oh yeah.
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  That's cool too. I.
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  Like that they got the still Stevie Ray Vaughan hat vibe
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  going on. Love it.
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  Yeah, that was perfect world. OK, we.
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  We were shooting at at a warehouse, I think we were when
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  we shot. This.
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  Oh, right on. That's cool.
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  Cool background, man. Oh yeah, you go.
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  Perfect world. Yeah, perfect.
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  World nailed it. Nailed it.
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  I like it. Title.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was difficult making that
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  album, but I'm glad I got through it though.
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  Right on that a studio shot or you sitting on a bus.
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  That's on a bus when we thought so, yeah, doing a lot of shows,
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  and particularly this one was, if I'm not mistaken, the
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  festival in Chicago. All right, Hon.
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  Very. Cool, I'm going to do all that
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  again next year. Right now, brother.
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  This bad for you? That was one of my favorite
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  songs from the second album. Cool.
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  Right on. Obviously it's relationship sunk
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  because there's a chick in the picture so you know it's
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  relationship oriented. Yeah.
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  The best, best, best songs are about relationships, man.
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  Yeah. I almost definitely.
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  You still have that guitar? I like that guitar.
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  Yeah, that is a cool guitar. Mr. Policeman, that's the shot
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  from Mr. Policeman. You still have that guitar.
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  Hell yeah, I still have it. It's a matter of fact.
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  That's a badass act, man. I.
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  Love it. Yeah, I was going to give it to
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  the California Music Hall of Fame.
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  I mean, when At some point I'm gonna give it to him so they can
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  have it, you know, in a museum. Why?
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  Because then it. But then it can't be played.
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  It'll be silenced, man. I don't play it anymore like I
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  used to but. Oh, OK, You know, all right.
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  Yeah. Don't silence it, man.
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  I'll go to donate it. If it's one of your go to
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  pieces, definitely don't donate it.
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  No, no. Yeah, you're right about that.
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  But. That's how you know.
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  That's how you know how much Eddie Van Halen loved dime bag
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  because he gave up one of his most prized possessions to bury
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  him in. Yeah.
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  I didn't know that. Yeah, the black and white
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  bumblebee stripe guitar that was on.
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  Yeah, I didn't know that either, but that's that's kind of cool.
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  Yeah, I didn't know that. Such a tribute.
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  That's how much Eddie admired what Dime did for
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  revolutionizing guitar playing. Just like he did, you know?
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  That's. Crazy.
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  Yeah, that's true story. Well, I believe, I don't know if
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  you guys followed the first two albums.
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  The last song, there's an instrumental OK Euphoria that I
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  did. Yeah, I listened to it.
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  Yeah, we listened to. Yeah, I remember that.
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  Oh my God, I just heard the the final mix of the last one, the
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  newest one I just did. Unbelievable.
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  OK. Really.
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  I forgot about it and I listened to it now like kidding me.
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  So you got the mastered version of it?
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  Yeah, so I listened to it and the weirdest thing is there's a
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  section at the end of the song where it's about at least maybe
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  a minute of just me playing no music to Solar Cool.
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  And I was like. Just guitar.
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  Yeah, I was amazed. Cool.
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  Awesome. And as I was doing it, I forgot
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  all about it because I haven't heard it in some weeks and
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  months now. Now that I listen to it, it was
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  like, Oh my God, I couldn't believe that I did.
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  I must have been in the zone when I did that.
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  I just, I just listened to a podcast where this guy was
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  saying, and it blew me away that what you're describing is the
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  artists and entertainers that are walking the planet today are
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  literally pulling from the Akashic records in another
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  dimension back to this one, an art form that has been lost to
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  humanity longer than we realize. So if it wasn't for the players
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  and the entertainers that are walking the earth today, it
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  would be a pretty boring place. That's why I've always tried to
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  describe to people I don't know what's happening when I'm
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  playing because I can't describe it to you in real time, right?
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  That's true. You're pulling, that's it.
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  You're pulling from somewhere else.
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  You're the vehicle and you're throwing it back out to the
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  public and you're hoping that they are able to comprehend what
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  you are, right. That's what you just described
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  to me. I was just getting ready to say
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  this is. This is weird to me because what
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  you saying makes a lot of sense because as I was listening to
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  Euphoria Part 3, the latest one, it it felt like a out of body
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  experience. Like is that me?
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  I had to ask myself like, did I do that?
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  Yes, yeah. You know, I'm listening to it as
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  a fan, thinking, wow, that's pretty good.
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  And I didn't even know that it wasn't me 'cause after I
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  listened to it a couple of times, I was like, wow, I can't
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  believe that I did it. I still can't believe it.
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  What made me start thinking in this direction, Lemoyne, is when
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  Chris asked me if I would consider re recording some of
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  our old music that now, like he said, we wrote 30 years ago some
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  of it. So I'm listening to these solos
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  and I'm like, am I I'm number one.
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  I'm not even that same person anymore, right?
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  I was 22 years old when I recorded that, or 21 and then
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  my. Question.
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  Is, but then my next question is, am I capable of doing it as
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  the person I am today? Just what you just said, Am I
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  even that same person? Like I had to sit down and
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  relearn it step by step as like I'm the student now of my own
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  music. It's crazy.
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  The challenge with that has always been like, for instance,
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  what you're saying when, when I was with State of Grace, we
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  created a lot of beautiful music together as a, as a band.
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  And I asked my same as myself, the same question you just asked
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  me like, wow, can I perform these songs later on in my life?
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  Will I still have the same vibe and energy about it?
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  And for me personally, I have a few, maybe two or three out of
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  the three albums that we did that I really enjoyed that I
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  probably would add into my setlist.
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  But no, I couldn't I couldn't touch any of those songs again.
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  And I for personal reasons because you know, it wouldn't
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  feel the same singing them and not being able to look at my
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  guys on the behind me and you know, it just doesn't feel the
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  same. So when I do my new songs, it's
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  just a whole new lane where it's just my lane and I can enjoy
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  myself and. Don't have to, and I totally
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  understand what you're saying because if the guy to the left
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  of me here wasn't singing Freeman or listen to Your sin, I
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  that guy's an imposter now, right?
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  Those. Those songs are so ingrained
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  into my DNA and who I am. If Chris isn't singing them,
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  they're never going to be played again unless they're recorded,
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  right? So that's why it's important to
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  get them down. Yeah, you guys should record the
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  songs, trust me. Oh, we're going to, we're, we're
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  working on it. We need you to, we need you to
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  come and do some drums just because Michael, Michael,
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  explain it. Michael, explain it.
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  Mike's got the guitar. I got the vocals.
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  We got Rick William, Richard Carr, the 4th that does the
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  bass. We need somebody to fill in the
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  gap that Scott left when he decided to, you know.
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  Whatever you guys need from me, I'm there, you tell.
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  Me. When you hear these, when you
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  hear these beats, it'll make sense because he was a very
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  unique drummer. You know he would be like a Phil
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  Rudd from ACDC kind. Of flew by the seat for real?
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  Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  Yeah, Freeman the the yeah, the intro song to the show that's
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  that's us as a band so that. Drugs.
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  Wow, I didn't know. That's probably.
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  Yeah. I really like that song.
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  Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
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  So that's that's that's us. Yeah.
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  That's a song called Freeman. That's, you know, we wrote a
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  long time ago, but it's lyrically it's still relevant,
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  man. Like if you if I could grab the
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  lyrics readily available and read them, you'd be like fuck,
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  that's totally relevant. Listen to your sins.
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  Totally relevant. Just because how I.
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  Wrote Yeah, it was. I didn't intend to be a timeless
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  writer, but it just because of how the world is and
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  everything's so cyclical, it's just irrelevant, which is cool.
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  What's the what's the name of the song you said listen to your
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  sins. That that, that that song, that
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  song is called Freeman. And if you if you go watch one
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  of our episodes and go to the very end, you hear the song,
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  listen to your sin at the end. So we bookend, we book in each
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  episode with two of our original songs.
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  Oh. Nice.
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  That's really nice. I'm hey, listen, I'm in.
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  All you got to do is call me. I'm in.
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  Right on. Well, you listen to both of
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  those songs after this episode comes out, and all you got to do
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  is recreate those drum tracks, and you're part of our new
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  legacy. There you go.
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  Nemesis Nemesis 2 point O is what we're going to call it.
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  OK, cool. I'm in.
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  I'm in all the way. We were.
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  We would appreciate it, especially coming from somebody
• 19:46
  who knows how to make drums sound like somebody played them.
• 19:51
  Oh yeah, That was that was us, brother, right?
• 19:53
  I'm looking back in. That was on the world famous
• 19:56
  Mason jar stage where Tool, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Pat Travers,
• 20:02
  everybody you can imagine got their start.
• 20:05
  Oh, that's nice. Yeah, sacred, right?
• 20:12
  That would have been circa 1996, probably 7.
• 20:18
  I'm trying to figure out what I was doing in 96.
• 20:22
  Probably a girl. Oh, I was producing, making rap,
• 20:26
  hip hop and rap like in when you guys.
• 20:29
  Chris has a girl. OK, I got all right.
• 20:39
  You ready? This is Freeman Lemoyne.
• 20:42
  Here's everybody. Everybody listen to me.
• 20:44
  I'm going to tell you how it's supposed to be, and that's
• 20:47
  enough. No, this is Freeman.
• 20:48
  Is that what Freeman starts with Mike?
• 20:50
  Yeah. OK.
• 20:52
  You just have a very angry voice.
• 20:53
  You're saying I do very nicely and it's not.
• 20:55
  It's like. Every I was like, because it
• 20:57
  doesn't feel right. It's like everybody do.
• 20:58
  No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen to me.
• 21:00
  I'm going to tell you how it's supposed to be.
• 21:02
  I'm going to be a freeman. I'm going to fight until the
• 21:05
  end. I'm going to find the answers
• 21:06
  here. I'm going to make it all quite
• 21:07
  clear. In this world today, we all get
• 21:10
  betrayed. Like a brother of mine, He's got
• 21:12
  a brainless mind. I'm going to choose the road I
• 21:14
  take. I'm going to choose the road to
• 21:16
  escape. I'm going to fly with the
• 21:18
  heavens above. I'm going to be the chosen one.
• 21:22
  People tell me how to live my life and preachers tell me about
• 21:25
  the afterlife. I'm going to make it if I can.
• 21:28
  I'm going to beat down the man. I'm going to fly with the eagles
• 21:31
  above. I'm going to be with the
• 21:33
  Lonesome Dove. I'm going to ask the questions
• 21:35
  here why every motherfucker got to disappear.
• 21:37
  I said yeah, that's yeah part. Listen, children, to my mind, I
• 21:43
  am a victim of senseless crime. I'm going to tell you about the
• 21:47
  afterlife. I'm going to tell you about what
• 21:48
  happened last night. I'm going to tell you about my
• 21:50
  insanity. And then it ends in your face.
• 21:54
  Rock'n'roll. Just you know, and then see if I
• 21:58
  dated this or not. But there's some very profound
• 22:00
  statements within that. Set of April, April 1996.
• 22:06
  I like the lyrics. The lyrics are nice.
• 22:08
  Do you have the lyrics to listen to your sin there?
• 22:10
  Thumbs up, guy. I believe so.
• 22:12
  Hold on. So listen to your sin is written
• 22:16
  from a third person perspective that I didn't know.
• 22:19
  I thought that Chris had some serious trips under his belt,
• 22:23
  right. Mushrooms, acid.
• 22:25
  It's written in the third person from somebody meaning himself
• 22:29
  who has never done it, describing it exactly to my
• 22:35
  experience, what I had being a person who's done it several
• 22:38
  times right, right. I didn't know that till we
• 22:42
  started this podcast and him and I started talking about his our
• 22:46
  lyrics that became our songs and he's like no man, I've I've
• 22:49
  never done it in my life. I just, you know, went to a
• 22:52
  space in my head and I wrote it from a third person perspective.
• 22:55
  You wrote the lyrics. Chris did.
• 22:58
  Oh, Chris did OK. He's never had that experience,
• 23:02
  but if you've been a person, I've never.
• 23:04
  Tripped on acid do but I wrote a song that when Mike heard it it
• 23:07
  legit it makes it equates to tripping on acid.
• 23:14
  I know I'm going. I want to hear it.
• 23:16
  So that's the song that you're going to hear at the end of the
• 23:19
  podcast. OK, We put Freeman at the
• 23:21
  beginning, which he just read you the lyrics, and I put Listen
• 23:25
  to Your Sin at the end of the podcast.
• 23:26
  Those were two of my favorite songs to play live because you
• 23:30
  could see people really thinking about what he was saying at the
• 23:33
  time. OK.
• 23:36
  Another one of my favorites that I would like to recreate is a
• 23:38
  song called Vision. He literally saw his own death
• 23:42
  at 30 years old. Really.
• 23:45
  Then ended up yeah, then ended up having a heart attack in real
• 23:47
  life at the same age. True that.
• 23:51
  How crazy is that? And he told me about this when
• 23:55
  we wrote the song. He's like, it's a vision that
• 23:56
  I'm having of my death on my 30th birthday.
• 23:59
  And it got to the point where it was so creepy the morning I was
• 24:02
  like, you got to stop telling me that fucking story because it's
• 24:06
  so here's either seriousness in his eyes.
• 24:08
  So, so here's I can't find listen to your scene yet, but
• 24:11
  here's vision. I had a dream the other night.
• 24:13
  It took me on a weary flight. It took me down into my soul.
• 24:17
  And show me the place where I'll go.
• 24:20
  Took a journey. I found you there.
• 24:21
  I saw my equal in my stare. I got to find the reason why.
• 24:24
  I got a vision. I got a vision.
• 24:26
  Yeah. I got a vision control in me.
• 24:28
  I got a vision. I got a vision.
• 24:29
  Yeah. I got a vision of agony. 3
• 24:33
  stages of my life. First one.
• 24:36
  First was when two cars collide. Second one under the sun in a
• 24:40
  pool of water on the chosen 1/3. Time was dying time on that
• 24:47
  tablet on that line because everyone is under the sun.
• 24:52
  They're going to dig that. I'm the only one.
• 24:54
  The reason why I got to find the reason why I got a vision.
• 24:57
  Yeah, I got a vision. Yeah, I got a vision control in
• 24:59
  me. I got a vision.
• 25:00
  Yeah, I got a vision. Yeah, I got a vision.
• 25:04
  I got a vision. I got a vision control in me.
• 25:08
  I stepped outside and thank you. I stepped outside and signed my
• 25:11
  mind. I saw the echoes of my crimes
• 25:14
  because the iron dog is on the way.
• 25:16
  I got to find the reason why to stay.
• 25:19
  So all of those were it was it was the whole back story.
• 25:22
  Like Mike said, as I, I started having these dreams and I was
• 25:25
  really into lucid dreaming at the time.
• 25:26
  So I started learning how to control my dreams.
• 25:28
  So the first part, I saw these two cars collide.
• 25:31
  So when I first had that dream, you wake up freaking oh shit.
• 25:34
  And then I then instead of freaking out, I kind of looked
• 25:37
  back into the cars and I was hunched over.
• 25:39
  One of the string was dead. So then freaked out, you know,
• 25:42
  Then I would tell myself dream again, dream again.
• 25:45
  So this is actually a true story then it.
• 25:47
  Was yeah, it was a whole dream sequence.
• 25:49
  So I saw the vehicles crash and then the next the next thing
• 25:53
  when I got past that in the dream, the next level of the
• 25:55
  dream was like I turned and I was in AI was sitting at the
• 26:00
  edge of a swimming pool. All it was was a giant pool,
• 26:02
  like a giant massive pool and field all around.
• 26:06
  So I walked up to the pool, took the step on the first step
• 26:09
  looked into the water. There was a body.
• 26:11
  I reached and rolled over. It was me bloated.
• 26:13
  I'm like, oh fuck, woke up right.
• 26:16
  So went through the went through the phases of the dream again,
• 26:18
  got to the body, rolled it over. Instead of freaking out, I
• 26:21
  pulled it to the to the step. And then when I turned, I was in
• 26:24
  another spot. That spot I was in like a all I
• 26:28
  can equate it to is like New York or or Chicago, where you
• 26:30
  have the tree, the street lines with newspaper.
• 26:32
  Remember newspaper stands. Yeah, I remember them.
• 26:36
  So just just a whole street row of them and I'm walking by them
• 26:39
  and every one of them said 3/4/2000, which was my 30th
• 26:42
  birthday. So that's where it equated me.
• 26:46
  OK, so then I went and did tarot card reading, which Nick you
• 26:49
  fucking hated because she's all against that shit.
• 26:52
  And when I asked the question in your head, if you've done cover
• 26:54
  cards, you don't ask them the question to think of the
• 26:56
  question why they're shuffling. So my question was was going to
• 26:58
  when I was was I going to die when I was 31st?
• 27:01
  Fucking card laid down was the Reaper.
• 27:03
  Boom, I'm like oh. Fuck.
• 27:08
  And then the guy's reading them. He's like, what'd you ask?
• 27:10
  And I was like, I don't want to tell you, man.
• 27:12
  He's like, well, when I'm seeing is there's a life change or
• 27:15
  something's going to happen that's going to, you know, just
• 27:17
  see be like, not not devastating, but something's
• 27:22
  going to happen when you turn 30, that's going to completely
• 27:24
  change the directory of your, of the trajectory of your life.
• 27:27
  And I'm like, OK, well, I asked if I was going to be dead when I
• 27:29
  was 30. He's like some level you're
• 27:32
  going to be in shit. You not Memorial Day weekend in
• 27:34
  my 30th year, I had, I had like crazy heart palpitations, ended
• 27:39
  up being an A-fib with rapid ventricular late.
• 27:41
  But I basically they put this drug in me called Cardizem,
• 27:44
  which is supposed to reignite your normal, your normal
• 27:48
  arrhythmia. And they only put half of it in.
• 27:50
  And I started having a reaction. So next morning he's like, if I
• 27:53
  would have pushed all that, you wouldn't be here.
• 27:55
  We'd be in the basement not having a conversation.
• 27:57
  I'm like, oh, so there you go. How crazy is that?
• 28:01
  And the reason why I'm having a hard time finding Listen to Your
• 28:03
  Sin is these are all my lyrics. There's tons and tons of lyrics
• 28:07
  man. Yeah, I think I told you the
• 28:08
  first time you're on here. The reason that he got the job
• 28:11
  was we literally met at a candle box concert, so I knew he could
• 28:16
  sing because he was singing with the band while they were playing
• 28:19
  and the power went out for about 15 minutes during that.
• 28:23
  There's one of our set list. Yeah, see.
• 28:27
  So the power went out for like 15 minutes and the moment the
• 28:30
  power went out, their singer obviously got distracted and
• 28:33
  quit singing. But my new singer kept singing
• 28:37
  acapella behind me, so I I already knew the guy could sing.
• 28:42
  So I told my drummer at the time we needed a singer.
• 28:45
  I said I already know the guy can sing.
• 28:47
  This was in the early 90s where, you know, there was no Internet,
• 28:50
  so we met at a bar. You didn't want somebody to come
• 28:53
  to your practice space and see $10,000 worth of equipment that
• 28:57
  you couldn't replace because we were poor back then, right?
• 29:00
  Yeah, I remember someday. Still poor, but anyway.
• 29:06
  As long as you got music man, you rich man, always.
• 29:10
  He showed up to his first practice with the same basically
• 29:15
  suitcase full of lyrics that he's added to, you know, many
• 29:19
  times over throughout the years. But he already probably had 100
• 29:23
  songs written, maybe 130. Wow, that's.
• 29:27
  A lot of songs, at least half of them or what he would consider
• 29:31
  ready to be turned into music. You know, a lot of it was poetry
• 29:35
  and spoken word kind of stuff, but he would take certain
• 29:39
  sections of those things just like he said to you, and he
• 29:42
  would turn him into a song at the snap of a finger.
• 29:47
  Found him. Listen to your sin.
• 29:49
  Yeah, these are great lyrics. Man, the original, the original
• 29:52
  lyrics, handwritten everything. That's how old.
• 29:55
  That's how old school. I'm a hoarder, Lemoyne.
• 29:59
  I got a dream for the common man.
• 30:01
  He got to fight until the end. I got a feeling.
• 30:03
  And it's quite clear. If you're going to fly and
• 30:05
  disappear, drop the tablet. Go insane.
• 30:08
  Feel the juice flow through your veins.
• 30:10
  On your journey, take a slow. Choose the place where you will
• 30:13
  go. Take a trip behind your eyes.
• 30:16
  Feel the sorrow beneath your cries.
• 30:18
  Take a moment. Listen to your sin.
• 30:20
  Fight the battle that you must win.
• 30:22
  Fight the battle. Fight the battle that you must
• 30:23
  win. Oh listen baby, to your sin now
• 30:26
  your journey has come to an end. You haven't found solace to your
• 30:29
  sin. You keep on fighting and waiting
• 30:31
  for the day when you close your eyes and it stays away.
• 30:34
  I ain't no preacher. I ain't no praying man.
• 30:37
  You turned your back on the Almighty's hand.
• 30:40
  You got a dream in your life. You soar and hiring every night.
• 30:46
  Something like that. Take the trip behind your eyes.
• 30:48
  Feel the sorrow revolutionize. Take the moment.
• 30:51
  Listen to your sin. Fight the battle that you must
• 30:53
  win. Fight the battle, fight the
• 30:55
  battle that you must win. And before we would do the song,
• 30:58
  I would introduce it as tomorrow doesn't understand yesterday
• 31:03
  will never be again. So take a moment and listen to
• 31:07
  your sin. And the mic would start and I'd
• 31:09
  turn around. Because there was about AI don't
• 31:12
  know 12, there was probably a 12 bar intro to the song.
• 31:17
  So he had plenty of time to make that happen.
• 31:19
  And then it was. Just so cool.
• 31:22
  Very good man. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
• 31:25
  thank you. It definitely describes the
• 31:28
  experience. Write me.
• 31:30
  I usually write all of my songs, but yeah.
• 31:33
  We'll make your songs. Thanks man, maybe you guys can
• 31:37
  write something for me. OK.
• 31:41
  I would love to. I would love to contribute
• 31:43
  guitar tracks for sure. That's.
• 31:45
  Most definitely. That's my fortune.
• 31:47
  That's my fortune. I'm going to start on the next
• 31:49
  album in in three or four more months.
• 31:55
  Here's where I'll make you a deal.
• 31:56
  If you come up with a rhythm track that you would like to
• 32:00
  hear a different take on a solo, you send me a WAV file and I'll
• 32:05
  throw it into Studio 1 and I'll put my version on and I'll send
• 32:08
  it back to you and you can decide if you like it or not.
• 32:11
  I've done that for a couple other people too, so.
• 32:14
  You got a deal, I will do that. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:17
  If you ever come up with a rhythm track and you're like,
• 32:19
  hey, I'd like another idea of, you know, what a solo would
• 32:22
  sound like on it, just tell me what, tell me what you're
• 32:26
  looking for and I'll put my spin on it for sure.
• 32:29
  Yeah, and from lyric lyrical standpoint, if MM would come up
• 32:32
  with a riff and then I would, I would just when I start hearing
• 32:35
  the music, then I just start writing.
• 32:37
  So that's, that's the muse for me is, is the music possesses
• 32:41
  me. Then all of a sudden here's a
• 32:42
  song. I mean, listen, you're saying 10
• 32:44
  minutes maybe it took me to write that.
• 32:46
  I mean, it wasn't nothing. I, I big believer when you write
• 32:50
  songs, you can't force it, right?
• 32:52
  It just has to flow it. Has to flow.
• 32:56
  Right. So if if I'm if something comes
• 32:57
  to my head and I write like 3 verses and that and it just
• 33:00
  stops, I walk away from it. I'm not.
• 33:02
  I'm not. Going to force something you.
• 33:03
  Know what I mean? Yeah, that is the way.
• 33:06
  You're the same way you're, yeah.
• 33:07
  Yeah, but my message is almost the same way, I guess you could
• 33:12
  say, like when I get into a zone, when I'm writing a song,
• 33:17
  it's all I have to fill the track first.
• 33:20
  The track is what gets me every time.
• 33:23
  So if I'm listening to a track and I I don't, I've never done
• 33:29
  this. So, you know, I'm telling you
• 33:31
  the truth. I've never had, like, most
• 33:34
  writers, they have like books of lyrics and stuff.
• 33:37
  I've never did that. I go into the studio, which is
• 33:41
  mine, or a different studio, and I have to hear the track and
• 33:46
  I'll listen to it, listen to it. And then I'll say, OK, let me go
• 33:49
  in there. And I go in there and I actually
• 33:51
  sing the melody. And then I put the words with
• 33:54
  the melody. And then I'll do like, you know,
• 33:57
  a straight pass. And then I'll come back and fill
• 34:00
  in the words. All in one tape, all, you know,
• 34:03
  all in that one day. So I don't leave the studio to
• 34:06
  come back. Oh, I got another part.
• 34:08
  No, I get it all done that night.
• 34:10
  You got to. You got to because that's when
• 34:12
  the muse is talking to you. That's when the energy.
• 34:14
  'S there, right? That's the only way I could
• 34:16
  work. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:18
  And then I'll go back into the studio like what the fuck did I
• 34:22
  recorder? What is this?
• 34:25
  And then? Right.
• 34:26
  But see, imagine how like, say, put yourself in Prince's shoes
• 34:29
  or Eddie Van Eddie's shoes, right?
• 34:31
  And all the stuff that they have recorded and even Ozzy that
• 34:35
  nobody's ever heard because they did exactly what you did.
• 34:38
  They went in like, I have an idea.
• 34:40
  I got to lay this down before I miss it because nine times out
• 34:42
  of 10 in my entire since I've been writing, because I started
• 34:45
  writing when I was in high school, an English teacher kind
• 34:48
  of pulled that out of me and like, oh shit, I can do this.
• 34:50
  Like this is a gift. I need to.
• 34:51
  So that's all my stuff is written in a poetry ballad
• 34:55
  format because that's how she taught me to write.
• 34:57
  So that's why all my lyrics can fit to so many different things.
• 35:00
  But. Right.
• 35:02
  When you have that, when you're in that moment and you and you
• 35:05
  have that, the voice in your head, you have to go with it
• 35:08
  because otherwise it's not going to be there tomorrow.
• 35:10
  You know what I'm saying? You're not going to have that
• 35:12
  same. And that's, that's, that's for
• 35:14
  real with songwriters. That's how right?
• 35:16
  There's an interesting fact here for me.
• 35:21
  Couple of things happen. I came up with a song.
• 35:25
  Well, you did just just the because you just said it like
• 35:29
  one day. I was.
• 35:29
  I was, I was. I'll never forget.
• 35:31
  This happened when I was in Texas.
• 35:33
  And I did, I had did the track. The song was done.
• 35:38
  Yeah. And I'm not the kind of guy who
• 35:41
  was trying to rush it and try to create.
• 35:44
  No, I just left, did the track and left it up.
• 35:47
  And then I went to bed. Yeah.
• 35:48
  I think I went to bed around about 11 that night and about
• 35:52
  2:30 in the morning the lyrics came to my head.
• 35:57
  So I I was so sleepy. I took my phone and I went some
• 36:04
  shit. I don't know what it was, but I
• 36:07
  said it into my phone because I know how I am.
• 36:09
  If I wake up in the walk, I'm I'm not going to remember.
• 36:14
  So whatever I said in the phone. Sucks.
• 36:17
  Yeah, I, I, I won't remember because it, it would be the last
• 36:20
  thing on my mind. So when I got up that morning, I
• 36:25
  said, what the hell did I record?
• 36:26
  So I hit the button and it was. But I could hear the idea of
• 36:32
  what I was doing even through all that muttering, Garbled.
• 36:37
  But I was like, oh, I got it. And I ran into the studio and I
• 36:43
  turned the mic on and I listened to it and I recreated it and
• 36:47
  reproduced it into my mind and put it on the mic.
• 36:50
  And yeah, the rest is history. I had a full song with about two
• 36:55
  or three hours. That was the next question I was
• 36:57
  going to ask you and you kind of just answered it.
• 37:00
  I know Chris knows. We we just talked about it.
• 37:02
  How many times have you not been able to record something and
• 37:06
  I've become mature enough as a musician to laugh at it and ask
• 37:10
  myself this question? What are the chances I'm going
• 37:13
  to remember this kick ass idea tomorrow?
• 37:15
  Zero. Yeah.
• 37:17
  Have you? Answered your question.
• 37:20
  Nowadays you just recorded into your iPhone, but I'm talking
• 37:23
  about like back in the day. I was just getting ready.
• 37:27
  To say have those, Oh my God dude.
• 37:31
  Oh man, the ideas. Brilliant.
• 37:32
  Songs. Oh yeah, I was in crazy places
• 37:38
  at the most like unbelievable situations.
• 37:43
  And I had to stop and run in a I went.
• 37:46
  I never forget. I ran into I was, I was out.
• 37:49
  I ran into the bathroom or some restaurant and I wrote
• 37:53
  everything on a piece of tissue before cell phones.
• 37:56
  You remember that? You write that.
• 37:58
  I wrote it down and I kept the melody in my head so much that I
• 38:02
  couldn't pay attention to what everybody else was doing and
• 38:05
  what's wrong with you? And I'm like, I got the song in
• 38:07
  my head and I hurried back, went back to the studio and I cut it.
• 38:11
  I can't lose it because there was no cell phone or nothing
• 38:15
  yet. See you just.
• 38:17
  Write shit and you use. Yes, so you know what I'm
• 38:19
  talking. About everything, yeah.
• 38:21
  Oh yeah. Oh my God, plenty of times.
• 38:26
  Toilet paper and everything. Ripped, ripped pages, fucking
• 38:32
  stains of food and crap. You know, like probably eating a
• 38:35
  Taco. That's a great idea.
• 38:38
  See, and that was the sad part about being a guitar player is
• 38:40
  if you didn't have a cassette player that you could record
• 38:43
  handy next to you, you were just jamming.
• 38:46
  And you're like, I got to either remember that I either have to
• 38:49
  play it enough to where I can't forget it or it's going to be
• 38:52
  lost. Because there were a lot of
• 38:54
  years I didn't have access to be able to record things.
• 38:57
  And then unfortunately, I lost a bunch of years of my recordings
• 39:01
  because when I moved back here, Long story short, a bunch of my
• 39:05
  stuff got left behind. So I had to start over.
• 39:08
  All I had left was, you know, a few things that Chris had and
• 39:13
  whatever was left in my head. Luckily, a lot of those songs we
• 39:16
  played so many times, you're never going to forget them.
• 39:19
  Yeah. Well, then that we had, that we
• 39:21
  had back in the day we lost Lemoyne.
• 39:25
  Oh, oh, I think he hit the wrong button.
• 39:28
  Oh, there you. Go and back and back in the day,
• 39:29
  I actually, there was this, No, you're good.
• 39:31
  So, so back in there, I actually bought a camcorder from this
• 39:34
  place called Service Merchandise because you could lay away it.
• 39:37
  And I used to bring that to practice and set it up in the
• 39:39
  corner and we would record our practice for the sole purpose of
• 39:43
  being able to capture what we are just rehearsing.
• 39:46
  Because you can as a musician, you know so much stuff is
• 39:49
  created by improving. Oh yeah, and we were lucky to
• 39:55
  have the camcorder for sure. That was like way of.
• 39:58
  I don't remember I I did this when I was.
• 40:03
  Breaking into the industry as a rap producer and my kids mom was
• 40:12
  like, you know what you need to do?
• 40:13
  You need to like because there was no, there was no way to
• 40:18
  remember anything. So she volunteered me to get a,
• 40:22
  a camcorder and I was like, you know what, you're right.
• 40:25
  So I went and bought a camcorder and that's they are the most
• 40:29
  hardened things to work with because you got to plug it up.
• 40:32
  Then you got to buy all the little cassettes and tapes.
• 40:36
  You know, you got to tell me why the.
• 40:38
  TV. Won't erase nothing.
• 40:40
  So I used to go to New York a lot and I did a lot of big
• 40:44
  records back then when I was producing rap and hip hop and I
• 40:50
  would run, we would have the tape machine run it, you know,
• 40:54
  because there's no like, oh, erase and go back and none of
• 40:57
  that like you do with cell phones or, you know, you, you,
• 41:00
  that's a one take period. So, you know, and, and I ran
• 41:04
  through a lot of my sessions on the camcorder and then, you
• 41:10
  know, I, I do all of that for, for like the whole trip and then
• 41:14
  come back home and I got to look at it on the tape.
• 41:18
  There's no way to transfer it. You got to go someplace to
• 41:21
  transfer it. It was just a big mess to do all
• 41:25
  of that. You know, it was like, but I
• 41:27
  still got the amazing because I still got 2 sets of all of that
• 41:31
  stuff and one day I'm going to transfer all that to see all
• 41:34
  that stuff that I did back in the day though.
• 41:36
  Yep. Yep.
• 41:37
  And you had to take the cords and plug them into the VCR.
• 41:40
  And then hit yeah. Record the VCR right?
• 41:43
  So then the VCR would record everything on the tape while
• 41:46
  you're watching on the TVI? Remember, before every show you
• 41:49
  would have to give somebody like a 15 minute tutorial on how to
• 41:53
  run the camcorder because you're and Chris kept saying and I need
• 41:57
  you to pay attention because you don't understand.
• 41:59
  You hit one wrong button and you're going to screw it up and
• 42:01
  then I can't see it and I'm going to be pissed, right?
• 42:03
  And that would happen a couple times.
• 42:06
  And that's happened multiple because I didn't go back and
• 42:10
  look at it. I'd hit the record button and
• 42:12
  erase have little sections be like what is this?
• 42:16
  You. Know old days, man, old days,
• 42:18
  good old days. I'm going to tell you something.
• 42:22
  You know, people, we got to think technology, I know it may
• 42:26
  be. Yeah, there's there's something
• 42:28
  good about it and there's something bad about it.
• 42:31
  Sure. Like when I look at things the
• 42:34
  way that it is today, I love it that we are.
• 42:37
  We're more accessible to things that we did back 20-30 years ago
• 42:43
  then we are today, like today. Especially to be in touch with
• 42:47
  your fans at the level that you are right.
• 42:49
  Exactly, exactly. There's no way I could have been
• 42:52
  able to do what I'm when you were with a band back then.
• 42:56
  When you were a big time producer in the 90s, if you,
• 43:00
  Chris and I, as 2 normal human beings or even AS2 musicians
• 43:04
  wanted to talk to you for an hour or so, that would have been
• 43:07
  impossible. Those kind of things didn't
• 43:09
  happen because you would have been inaccessible to somebody at
• 43:13
  our level and we wouldn't have been running in the same circles
• 43:16
  anyway. But now we're talking to you
• 43:18
  about the level of success you achieved in the 90s and now the
• 43:23
  new career that you've developed in the Internet age as a rock
• 43:27
  guitarist and a producer and a songwriter in your own right in
• 43:31
  that world. It's just I agree with you.
• 43:33
  I think technology, you have to look at the positive, especially
• 43:37
  for artists. Yeah.
• 43:39
  Now the downside to it is for me, it's how do I explain this?
• 43:48
  It's, it's less creative. You can't do all the things
• 43:54
  that's more, you know, organic because Yep, it's, it's so crazy
• 44:01
  the way the music business is, the way the to actually be
• 44:05
  involved because you can actually make a song on your
• 44:08
  phone now. You couldn't do that in the 90s,
• 44:12
  right? I mean, you can make songs so
• 44:15
  easy that, you know, it, it, it's like, where's the talent
• 44:19
  now? Back then, Yeah.
• 44:20
  Exactly. There's no way you.
• 44:22
  Had to have talent and a lot of people just coming up with even
• 44:27
  even with the whole, the whole I just heard of of this new
• 44:32
  software, this AI software. Software, yeah.
• 44:35
  Literally making songs for you now. 30,000 songs a day are
• 44:40
  being uploaded to Spotify that are AI.
• 44:42
  We just did. We just released a clip a week
• 44:45
  ago about that. How crazy.
• 44:47
  That man. And that's ridiculous bullsh.
• 44:50
  It's it's so chaotic that how the hell a a a real true
• 44:57
  musician and artist should never have to go to AI because you
• 45:02
  can't appreciate the music, especially live in concert.
• 45:07
  It's almost impossible because we learned.
• 45:09
  If you can't right see. As I was growing up, I was
• 45:15
  taught how to play instruments, you know, guitars, drums, bass,
• 45:20
  everything and watching and learning.
• 45:23
  There was no AI, There was no way of, of iPhones and Computer
• 45:30
  Music. And I, I didn't do any of that.
• 45:32
  I didn't learn how to do none of that stuff.
• 45:35
  You know, as, as time has progressed as it did into where
• 45:41
  we are today. That's like the going thing now.
• 45:45
  And Lemoyne, I always say when we were learning to play, there
• 45:49
  were two paths of travel. You either sucked or you didn't
• 45:53
  suck, right, Right. There was no polishing it up.
• 45:58
  There was no. I don't know how it's.
• 45:59
  Balloons, man, I know. That's why.
• 46:05
  That's why on my next album, I'm going straight to tape.
• 46:07
  I'm not even doing digital. I'm going straight to tape.
• 46:10
  That's good. Yeah, Awesome.
• 46:13
  Tape machine. All the way.
• 46:14
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We made a conscious effort to in
• 46:17
  Nemesis that anything we did at practice or in the studio, it
• 46:23
  had to be able to be replicated live.
• 46:25
  Like we weren't going to do anything that we couldn't pull
• 46:27
  off standing in front of a crowd of people.
• 46:29
  None of the backtrack bullshit, you know what I mean?
• 46:32
  It's like you had to be able to pull that shit off live or we're
• 46:35
  we're going to record it any other way because in your.
• 46:38
  The only studio, the only studio magic we took advantage of is
• 46:41
  the same one anybody would. We put a rhythm guitar track
• 46:44
  underneath the solo and Chris would do background vocals.
• 46:47
  Right, right, right. Yes, I mean it's it's not it it
• 46:52
  that's why I say how is it that these AI musicians that how you
• 46:58
  going to perform all of these even though the songs you get to
• 47:01
  me, can you and I'm going to ask you as real musicians, can you
• 47:06
  tell the difference between an AI musician or real organic
• 47:12
  musician in their music can. If I if you gave me an AB
• 47:19
  example, I think I can. The ones the ones I've seen,
• 47:22
  I've seen the videos because every now and then you'll see it
• 47:25
  on Instagram and shit, you'll have somebody that's a video and
• 47:28
  I can tell that's AI because the way the mouth because again,
• 47:32
  singers look at singers, right? I look at I listen to lyrics, I
• 47:35
  look at how the words are sung and formulated the melody.
• 47:38
  So when I, I saw one not too long ago, maybe within the last
• 47:41
  week that it, it, it caught my attention because the, the, the
• 47:45
  background was cool. I'm like, oh, what's this?
• 47:46
  And so I, I turned the volume up and I listened to it and it was
• 47:49
  clearly AI at the end of the day.
• 47:51
  It wasn't an actual full blown thing.
• 47:53
  And then I wrote, when I read the paragraph below it, it
• 47:55
  clearly set it up. Creates your own music in your
• 47:58
  own video using the software. I'm like mother fucker.
• 48:01
  So from an audio standpoint, if from an audio standpoint, I
• 48:05
  don't, I don't because because music is so oh, what's the word
• 48:10
  overproduced, right? It's everything is auto tuned
• 48:13
  and all that kind of shit. But that's why I'm saying if you
• 48:16
  AB it. So if you give me insecurity or
• 48:19
  claustrophobia and then you give me AAI created song without a
• 48:25
  video or anything, I'm almost confident I could tell that
• 48:28
  Lemoyne recorded that in a studio and some Dick had made it
• 48:32
  on AI. I'm pretty confident I could
• 48:34
  tell the difference. Yeah, because I still be, still
• 48:36
  be, still be. Subtle nuances, right.
• 48:38
  You're going to. Even though he stacks all his
• 48:40
  background vocals, he pushes his voice to the front enough, which
• 48:44
  a good engineer and producer is going to do.
• 48:47
  To know that that's a real person and that there's enough
• 48:51
  human element in your vocals where you don't get that in
• 48:56
  those AI created songs. Like Chris said, they're almost
• 48:59
  too perfect. Right.
• 49:00
  Yeah. What's this?
• 49:01
  What's this about, man? Chicago's alternative rock
• 49:03
  president. Oh, that was something the
• 49:07
  record company was working on during the during the highlight
• 49:11
  of all of the the things that was going on in the summer last
• 49:15
  year. Right on.
• 49:18
  I don't know how they came up with that, but that was
• 49:19
  brilliant though you were. Kind of nice.
• 49:22
  Yeah, Yeah. See, that's the power of
• 49:24
  Facebook, man. I can I can deep dive into your
• 49:26
  music career. We're shooting a clip from my
• 49:32
  documentary. OK, when's that come out?
• 49:35
  That's actually in 2026. We're still working.
• 49:39
  What's it called? Trust no one.
• 49:43
  No, it's called. I don't know they got it.
• 49:46
  They still working on a name for it right now.
• 49:48
  OK, OK, that's a cool picture right there.
• 49:52
  Oh yeah, that's one of my favorite pictures, in fact.
• 49:54
  See, I'm in the, I'm in the yeah, I'm in the visuals, man.
• 49:57
  I like, Oh yeah, absolutely. I love, I love abstract art.
• 50:00
  I love that kind of dark colors and things like, me too.
• 50:03
  I love black and white. She's very happy.
• 50:09
  Yeah, we were definitely all about not going up there and
• 50:11
  looking like your dad and your brother decided to start a band
• 50:15
  in the basement, you know, right.
• 50:17
  Who's this guy? I don't know this is this is a
• 50:20
  lot of stuff I don't even know. I just see stuff and be like.
• 50:23
  Yeah, yeah, there's there. I like the, I like your this.
• 50:27
  I like the logo of this, how you did the colors and the and the
• 50:30
  that's. Yeah, I think that came up with
• 50:32
  this idea. I dig that a lot because I'm all
• 50:35
  about. I mean, I don't it's not
• 50:37
  obviously geared towards. And why didn't?
• 50:38
  But I like the US, yeah. Exactly.
• 50:40
  Yeah, fucking a brother. I love that.
• 50:42
  It's the reoccurring theme too. When you see that, you know it's
• 50:45
  you. Yep.
• 50:46
  Yeah. That's absolutely.
• 50:48
  Branding so important. Branding.
• 50:50
  Absolutely, man. Yep.
• 50:53
  Oh, I thought I got to the end almost.
• 50:54
  I was like, oh, Lemoyne jamming. And this is the Chicago 1, you
• 50:58
  said? Or California.
• 50:59
  California. This is California, yeah.
• 51:05
  That's awesome. Oh my God, I had a great time.
• 51:12
  See, that's you got to love it, man.
• 51:14
  Who's that? That's Dame Cerini.
• 51:18
  It's a guy that I did a he's a jazz guitarist that I did his
• 51:23
  his last two albums and he turned out to be one of my best.
• 51:26
  Friends. Oh, right on, he.
• 51:27
  He showed up at the at the the Hall of Fame event too.
• 51:33
  He was there. Oh cool, a jazz guitarist.
• 51:36
  Look at he signed. He signed his name on one of the
• 51:38
  guitars, too. Yeah, well, yeah, this one's got
• 51:41
  all kinds of signatures on it. Yeah, mine's somewhere in there,
• 51:44
  I think. Yeah, at the in the middle.
• 51:47
  OK, cool. Yeah, right there.
• 51:50
  Yes. Yeah.
• 51:51
  See how I pulled your name out without even knowing it?
• 51:53
  See that? We're here.
• 51:56
  We're sinking, Lemoyne. That's right.
• 52:00
  See, I'd love, I'd sad. Dude, you make me want to be on
• 52:02
  stage again. You got to stop me too.
• 52:06
  Yeah, man, that was fun. That was that was a brilliant
• 52:09
  night I had. Well, I was surrounded by
• 52:12
  nothing but artists that I grew up listening to and that that
• 52:15
  was a great film. There was a cool one that had
• 52:20
  all your stuff on it, which I thought was that was a great
• 52:23
  picture. Anything else you want to touch
• 52:27
  on bud? Well, we could talk about how I
• 52:33
  came up with claustrophobia, which was OK.
• 52:36
  Yeah, absolutely. Now here, here's what I want to
• 52:38
  tell you because I'm I'm a big believer and don't tell the
• 52:40
  world what your songs are about because you want people to have
• 52:42
  their own interpretation of it, right.
• 52:44
  So that's just my opinion. You want to you want to explain
• 52:47
  how everyone explain it? I just I like to dangle that
• 52:50
  carrot to be like, hey, this is, you know, you know what I mean?
• 52:55
  But that's just me. But that's just me.
• 52:56
  Because you want people to interpret their own music.
• 52:58
  Like it pisses me off when when like, OK, prime example and then
• 53:02
  you can tell your story. Dave Draymond from disturbed,
• 53:05
  the song a sickness and the whole part in there that that on
• 53:09
  the on not the radio version, but the the studio version, how
• 53:11
  he's he's fighting with his mom and she's beating him and shit.
• 53:14
  It was all made-up. That was all made-up.
• 53:17
  I'm like you mother fuckers real.
• 53:19
  No, no, it was all fucking made-up man.
• 53:22
  And it pissed me off. Like dude what the fuck you
• 53:24
  don't tell people the true meaning behind your shit.
• 53:27
  Like like legit like Mike said earlier he thought I tripped
• 53:31
  with acid and mushrooms man, not a day in my life.
• 53:34
  That that takes away from the field of the song because there
• 53:37
  are people in this world who actually going through that.
• 53:41
  Yes, yes. And they want to be able to
• 53:44
  identify with that. He actually swayed me to this
• 53:47
  side of thinking. I didn't used to think like
• 53:49
  this, but the more I hear him tell these stories, I agree with
• 53:53
  him wholeheartedly now. Because there's certain songs
• 53:55
  that mean things to me that I don't want to know that it means
• 53:59
  something differently to the artist, right?
• 54:02
  Well, isn't that the point of music is I interpret your music
• 54:05
  however it comes to me. Exactly.
• 54:08
  And and you're right. So what I would share with you
• 54:11
  guys, OK, probably be the only time.
• 54:14
  It's like, I wasn't going to say any of this.
• 54:16
  Shit, I know, but that's but that's I just I just I just
• 54:18
  don't, I just don't like it when you take away.
• 54:20
  I agree. The power, the power of music is
• 54:22
  the is the power of interpretation, right?
• 54:26
  Yeah. Part of everybody.
• 54:27
  Telling story and, and everybody interpret everything different.
• 54:29
  So go ahead. I'll get off.
• 54:30
  I'll go over here now. Go ahead.
• 54:32
  So you heard the whole full song, right?
• 54:35
  Absolutely, Several times. And when you listen to the full
• 54:40
  song that you get the understanding of the lyrics and
• 54:44
  and you understood it. So I'll tell you my
• 54:48
  interpretation first hand was the first time I heard it.
• 54:51
  Like the world is closing in on me and I'm doing my best to
• 54:55
  maintain my place in the world as that's happening around me,
• 54:59
  right? For lack of better care.
• 55:02
  Yep. Well, I'm in the same kind of
• 55:03
  boat with Mike. Yeah, I like that was my
• 55:05
  interpretation too, for the most part.
• 55:08
  OK, so the real story behind that was true.
• 55:14
  I was in a place in my head in 2024 when I was in in my studio
• 55:26
  in Texas and I was all over the place.
• 55:30
  There were things happening in my life that surprised me, that
• 55:34
  upset me. I was just really going through.
• 55:38
  The sad part about it was I was doing it all by myself.
• 55:43
  But the good part about it was I needed to be by myself so I
• 55:47
  could heal from all of disastrous situations that came
• 55:53
  before that. Now, as I was right as I was was
• 55:58
  going through my moment, excuse me, my manager called me and was
• 56:06
  was he and I were talking on the phone and I was not in in a
• 56:10
  good, good place. I was very disappointed.
• 56:12
  I was upset. And he was like, you know, the
• 56:16
  last thing I needed to hear was him telling me, just write a
• 56:20
  song about it, write us talking about it.
• 56:24
  I'm so angry at him for saying it.
• 56:26
  Like, seriously, you want me to write us?
• 56:28
  I'm going through. I'm about to crash and burn.
• 56:32
  You know, all the walls was clay caving in on me.
• 56:35
  And my mindset was different. I was hungry.
• 56:39
  All kinds of shit was going on that I was not used to.
• 56:43
  And. Now you want me to relive it
• 56:44
  every 3 minutes and 30 seconds? Exactly.
• 56:50
  The only thing this man can say to me is write a song about it.
• 56:54
  So I was so angry at him for saying it, I got off the phone.
• 56:57
  I don't want to hear no more. And I surrounded myself with
• 57:04
  with all this optimistic, you know it.
• 57:08
  And, yeah, viewpoints of everything that I was
• 57:11
  experiencing at that moment. And I sat down on the couch and
• 57:16
  I see, you know what? Maybe he's right.
• 57:19
  Fuck it, let me go ahead and write a song about it.
• 57:21
  So I took all that negative energy, all the energy that I
• 57:25
  had that started the song off was was negative.
• 57:28
  By the time I got to the finishing part of it, it became
• 57:31
  positive. And I took all that energy and I
• 57:36
  put it into claustrophobia. And I, I can't believe that.
• 57:42
  And the song was created in that one day and see.
• 57:46
  That and that's, that's the power of what we have, you and
• 57:49
  I, because Mike doesn't write lyrics, but that's the power of,
• 57:53
  of being able to take your, your, your struggles, right and
• 57:56
  put them on paper. Because I lived a fucked up life
• 57:58
  to, I mean, like little, I could have gone one or two ways in my
• 58:01
  life. I went this way instead.
• 58:03
  Had I not had, had I not had that English teacher not pulled
• 58:07
  out the fact that she knew I could write, I don't, my
• 58:10
  trajectory would have been completely different because
• 58:12
  writing was able and it allowed me to purge everything like I
• 58:15
  purged all the demons out through music.
• 58:18
  And then as as we started performing these songs in the
• 58:22
  darkness that I was writing in those songs, that was cathartic
• 58:26
  in itself, performing because I'm pushing all that shit out to
• 58:30
  the crowd, right? Even though they don't know I'm
• 58:32
  pushing out this negative dark shit, I'm still, it's a vehicle
• 58:36
  to keep my sanity. So I love the fact that he's
• 58:40
  like, write this shit down because that helps you get
• 58:43
  through that. And now you can look back on it
• 58:45
  without harboring any real darkness and and pain associated
• 58:49
  with it. Because you, you, you work
• 58:50
  through it, right? But, but I'm going to ask you
• 58:53
  this when when someone says something like that to you and
• 58:57
  you are in a different zone and a different your, your mindset
• 59:01
  is different. That's the furthest and the last
• 59:03
  thing on your mind. Yeah, I'm trying to fix every
• 59:06
  fucked up situation in your life.
• 59:09
  You're trying to change your attitude and your personality.
• 59:12
  The last thing you want to do is write a song about it, right?
• 59:15
  True, but it is the best time to do it.
• 59:18
  It is because it's. Top of mind, it's top of mind
• 59:20
  and all the feelings are there and the emotions are there.
• 59:23
  And when we told me the killing part about it was when he told
• 59:28
  me I was very angry and and when I sat down and thought about it,
• 59:33
  gave her some thought, like about an hour later, I said,
• 59:36
  maybe he's right. Let me go in and see what I can
• 59:39
  create from, from all of this energy that I have.
• 59:43
  And the music came about first that just because you, if you
• 59:49
  can hear the music, it just sounds angry, It sounds
• 59:51
  energetic. So I took that energy and from
• 59:56
  the what I was going through, I didn't even write none of this
• 1:00:00
  down. I just went in and sang it.
• 1:00:03
  Then the words got a little weird.
• 1:00:06
  So I just started making the words kind of like rhyme
• 1:00:09
  together. But basically what you're
• 1:00:11
  hearing is all of that energy coming out of me.
• 1:00:14
  And then towards the, the, the, by the time we got to the second
• 1:00:18
  verse, that's when I started saying, OK, I can't project this
• 1:00:22
  kind of energy. I have to be more positive even
• 1:00:25
  though I'm going through something and true.
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  It helped me to understand that this could be a therapeutic song
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  for not just me but for other people as well, just like
• 1:00:36
  insecurity. So when I got finished with it,
• 1:00:41
  it took me almost like 8-9 hours.
• 1:00:44
  I finished the whole song, song was done and I sent it back.
• 1:00:48
  And I didn't even call him. I just sent it to him.
• 1:00:50
  Like OK, here's your here's here's what you asked me to
• 1:00:53
  write. From my experience.
• 1:00:56
  He literally called me back and he cried on the phone.
• 1:01:00
  He was, he was like amazingly shocked and he was like, dude,
• 1:01:06
  you know, this is beautiful. We're going to turn into a
• 1:01:09
  single. I said a single.
• 1:01:10
  We already had a single, which was supposed to be daydreaming
• 1:01:14
  and he heard claustrophobia. He was like he fell in love with
• 1:01:18
  it. The man cried.
• 1:01:19
  This is this is a full grown man who cried from listening to the.
• 1:01:23
  Soul Man. There you go.
• 1:01:26
  And I knew then I was like, OK, I, I don't have anything else to
• 1:01:29
  say. And I to be honest with you, I
• 1:01:31
  really didn't like look at that song like that.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah, well, you. But we but see that's the thing.
• 1:01:38
  But you hold on what I'm saying. OK.
• 1:01:39
  Go ahead, Mike, Go ahead. I'm sorry but you guys both said
• 1:01:42
  something that people need to listen to that are not artists.
• 1:01:46
  And Chris is right, I don't write lyrics.
• 1:01:48
  You know, if you want to know how I'm feeling, I'll play you a
• 1:01:50
  song and you'll know exactly how I feel.
• 1:01:53
  But you both said something that's very important to people
• 1:01:56
  who listen to music as therapy. It's the same therapy for the
• 1:02:00
  person that wrote the song, right?
• 1:02:02
  You guys both wrote it for a reason.
• 1:02:05
  For whatever reason, he decided to write Listen to Your Sin from
• 1:02:08
  the third person. He had a reason for writing that
• 1:02:10
  in his subconscious somehow, right?
• 1:02:13
  Freeman was how he was feeling at the time.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah. Nothing man, nothing man was how
• 1:02:18
  I was feeling at the time. Correct, right?
• 1:02:21
  Yeah, and as, as you would not know, lyrics are like a
• 1:02:26
  testament. But it's the therapy that, you
• 1:02:30
  know, like a lot of times I used to think before I met Chris,
• 1:02:33
  that has to be horrible for that person to go up there and have
• 1:02:36
  to relive that moment. That was a joke that I meant
• 1:02:38
  when, you know, I said your manager was like, yeah, go write
• 1:02:41
  a song about it. Sure.
• 1:02:42
  You know I'm going to write a 3 minute and 32nd song so I can
• 1:02:45
  relive this moment every 3 minutes and 30 seconds I have.
• 1:02:47
  To well, see, now you understand the reason why it didn't
• 1:02:50
  resonate to me as well as it did to him.
• 1:02:53
  Because whatever he associated that song with, with his life,
• 1:02:56
  that's what made him cry. Sure.
• 1:02:58
  For him to call me back and was in tears.
• 1:03:02
  He had never did all of my songs, but this one was the most
• 1:03:07
  that that impacted him that much then about.
• 1:03:11
  All things and and I think real world lyrics, I think that keeps
• 1:03:17
  because we played our songs thousands and thousands of
• 1:03:19
  times, right, And I never got tired of them because every time
• 1:03:23
  it was time for listen to your sin or nothing, man or vision,
• 1:03:25
  whatever, I could step into that person.
• 1:03:29
  I could step into vision because I know what vision's about
• 1:03:32
  visions came from my soul and my memories and my dreams.
• 1:03:35
  So I never got tired right. So I never got tired of playing
• 1:03:40
  those songs because every time I, I we played it, even though
• 1:03:43
  it it may not have been new to the crowd, it wasn't new to us.
• 1:03:47
  I still could. I still couldn't embed that that
• 1:03:50
  person that wrote that song. And you know, that's another
• 1:03:52
  very powerful point, Chris. And it makes music so much
• 1:03:57
  cooler, in my opinion, than movies, because in the same
• 1:04:00
  night you guys get to step into a new character in a new song
• 1:04:04
  every 3510, however long the song is, the next time that new
• 1:04:09
  melody starts, you're like, OK, now I'm this guy.
• 1:04:11
  Right now I'm this. Moment that is true.
• 1:04:14
  It's like a character. A movie takes 2 hours.
• 1:04:16
  You know that character takes 2 hours to develop your guys's
• 1:04:19
  characters within a song. You might be telling a
• 1:04:22
  lifetime's worth of stories literally in 3 minutes.
• 1:04:25
  It's 4 minutes, 5 minutes. Then you're in on to that next
• 1:04:29
  character. I just that vision popped in my
• 1:04:31
  head as he was talking about that.
• 1:04:33
  You're literally stepping into that character every time that
• 1:04:36
  song new song starts. Yeah, that's why.
• 1:04:39
  That's why to me, writing songs like, like we talked about
• 1:04:42
  earlier, we're not Van Halen, right?
• 1:04:44
  Van Halen writes the songs about partying, drink and having sex
• 1:04:46
  with women. It's just I couldn't get behind
• 1:04:49
  that kind of music every single show.
• 1:04:52
  It wasn't our thing. We always say there's nothing
• 1:04:54
  wrong with that, but Chris said it just on the last show that
• 1:04:58
  had been done before, right? So why would we want to try to
• 1:05:01
  recreate what they've already been successful?
• 1:05:03
  At it's not that we didn't. Like it we loved.
• 1:05:05
  It. If that's the thing that and
• 1:05:08
  that's why insecurities resonates with people.
• 1:05:11
  That's why Klaus Robbie is going to resonate with people because
• 1:05:13
  they're connecting it. They they, you know, it's like
• 1:05:15
  kind of we talked about our, our we had a guy on the showcase
• 1:05:19
  called Dave Noodle called Dave. His name is Dave Noodle,
• 1:05:21
  fantastic musician. Like he's got a song called the
• 1:05:25
  The Lord of the Devil, which just why this guy's not top of
• 1:05:29
  charge Lemoyne is beyond me. But it's, it's that thing.
• 1:05:33
  You, you, you have the ability to touch somebody's life just
• 1:05:37
  from the title of just the word of the song, the title of the
• 1:05:39
  song or just how it feels. But it's going to open the door,
• 1:05:43
  right? So the titles of your songs open
• 1:05:45
  that door. And once that doors open and the
• 1:05:48
  listener steps in, then it's game over, man.
• 1:05:50
  They either love it or hate it. And you know, we want everybody
• 1:05:52
  to love your stuff. And you know, because that's why
• 1:05:55
  we do it. Right.
• 1:05:58
  So that's powerful. That's all I got.
• 1:06:00
  I became a fan right now he's going to do a Costanza come out.
• 1:06:05
  I became a fan for the same reason, because both of those
• 1:06:08
  songs spoke to me for the same reason, Chris said.
• 1:06:11
  I've been in those periods of my life where I immediately, you
• 1:06:17
  know, with insecurity. Everybody has their own
• 1:06:19
  insecurities. I mean, how could you not have
• 1:06:21
  nailed that? Yeah.
• 1:06:23
  And the message behind your single you dropped yesterday
• 1:06:26
  with claustrophobia. I don't know human being other
• 1:06:29
  than maybe somebody who was a trust fund kid that never had to
• 1:06:34
  have and they have their own pressures, right?
• 1:06:36
  I don't know a human being that didn't have some kind of period
• 1:06:38
  in their life where they felt like the walls were closing in
• 1:06:42
  and you, you have a fork in the road.
• 1:06:43
  Like Chris said with this horrible upbringing, when he
• 1:06:46
  became an adult, he literally had two decisions to make.
• 1:06:49
  He could have blamed that on the rest of his life for being an
• 1:06:53
  asshole and not succeeding. Or he could have said OK I'm
• 1:06:57
  going to do things differently and he chose option B
• 1:06:59
  thankfully. Yes, thank God for that.
• 1:07:02
  Me too. I.
• 1:07:03
  Mean that's what I get out, that's what I get out of that
• 1:07:05
  song is I went through that period too, where I'd easily
• 1:07:09
  could have went down the path to destruction, right?
• 1:07:13
  Yeah. And this, this resonated with me
• 1:07:16
  last time on the show and bring it up.
• 1:07:18
  I'll bring it up now though, the insecurity concept, right?
• 1:07:21
  The song and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:07:22
  Here's somebody I'm talking about you Lemoyne, OK, who has
• 1:07:26
  has produced and been with and helped probably sell.
• 1:07:30
  You know, I didn't even know millions and millions of records
• 1:07:31
  with everybody you've you've touched in your career, right?
• 1:07:35
  Right. And you're writing a song called
• 1:07:37
  Insecurity. I know.
• 1:07:39
  You know what I'm saying? It's very.
• 1:07:41
  Ironic. It's totally ironic because
• 1:07:44
  you're the last person in the world.
• 1:07:45
  I think whatever would be insecure, but the beautiful
• 1:07:48
  thing about you is your humble as a motherfucker.
• 1:07:52
  So even though you got this shit in the background, these gold
• 1:07:54
  almonds, platinum almonds and all the stuff you shared with in
• 1:07:56
  the first show, at the end of the day, you're a normal human
• 1:07:59
  being like we are. And you're humble and you're
• 1:08:00
  grateful and you're gracious for what you are allowed to do on
• 1:08:03
  this planet and you embrace it. And that shows in your music,
• 1:08:06
  man. It shows what the feeling behind
• 1:08:08
  it and the emotion behind it and the and how you're driven with
• 1:08:11
  it. It's just that's why Mike and I
• 1:08:13
  were both like, we need to get him back on the show.
• 1:08:15
  Get him back on the show because you're just a super cool human
• 1:08:18
  man. And regardless of where our
• 1:08:20
  lives take us, it's it's I love the fact that I can just text
• 1:08:24
  you. Hey, man, you know, it's just,
• 1:08:27
  you know, like that, you know? There there's a let me tell you
• 1:08:31
  something guys. Yep, When I was doing all of the
• 1:08:36
  the, the high end, big records and all of that stuff, I was not
• 1:08:41
  happy. I was never happy.
• 1:08:43
  It was money. It.
• 1:08:43
  Was all about. Survival.
• 1:08:45
  You were making money. You had to pay your bills.
• 1:08:47
  Survival. Good, good word, good choice.
• 1:08:50
  And I just played along with the whole thing because it was
• 1:08:56
  mostly, honestly about 90% bullshit and 10% music.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, right. And I learned that this is what
• 1:09:07
  the music business was and I I didn't want no part of it
• 1:09:11
  anymore. That makes me happy to hear that
• 1:09:13
  from somebody who was there because we can say that all day
• 1:09:18
  long and everybody can call us white boys.
• 1:09:21
  You don't know nothing about the rap game, you bold, you know,
• 1:09:25
  whatever. And here's how you were somebody
• 1:09:28
  who was there. You had your ear to the ground.
• 1:09:30
  You were producing the records, you were dealing with the
• 1:09:33
  artists, and you just heard it, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:09:36
  He says most of it was bullshit. A lot of it was made-up.
• 1:09:40
  And I think a lot of, I think I think a lot of music, it is
• 1:09:43
  bullshit when it comes down to because the image is such a huge
• 1:09:46
  part, especially back then. Like, you know, like, like
• 1:09:51
  people like be like Vanilla Ice and Eminem, right?
• 1:09:54
  For them to get into the rap world.
• 1:09:57
  Vanilla Ice made his shit up. Remember all that stuff that
• 1:09:59
  went down? It was all bullshit Because,
• 1:10:02
  Because, right? Because otherwise.
• 1:10:05
  He's not the only one. No, right.
• 1:10:07
  I know. Oh yeah, we would.
• 1:10:10
  Not expect. Oh yeah, well, it's like my wife
• 1:10:13
  always thought Kid Rock came from a trailer.
• 1:10:15
  Like he was trailer trash. And then I and then something
• 1:10:18
  happened on, on Facebook a few years back and it showed his his
• 1:10:21
  house. He grew up and I'm like, hey
• 1:10:22
  babe, this is where Kid Rock grew up.
• 1:10:25
  She was like, she was pissed. That's not a trailer.
• 1:10:28
  Like, no, he's a trust fund baby out of Detroit.
• 1:10:31
  But the way his persona is, I'm a good old blue collar
• 1:10:34
  motherfucking Rock. And you know, I'm going to drink
• 1:10:36
  my ass off, smoke some weed and party, party, party.
• 1:10:39
  But he needed that in order to sell his records and he.
• 1:10:42
  Did a great job of developing he did for sure he.
• 1:10:45
  Did so did they realize so did so did right?
• 1:10:48
  So and Eminem. I mean, you know, I'm not huge
• 1:10:51
  in the rap. We talked about that and there's
• 1:10:52
  a there's a handful of songs I like from Eminem, But had he not
• 1:10:56
  gone through what he'd gone through and not and if he didn't
• 1:10:58
  have the the the the kind of background that he established
• 1:11:01
  for the world to see, would he be as successful as he is?
• 1:11:04
  I mean, you're you're a rap producer.
• 1:11:05
  Would he Des Moines? Let me tell you something about
• 1:11:09
  Eminem. Eminem to me is a true artist,
• 1:11:12
  true artist. And what I respect about him is
• 1:11:16
  he he respects his craft more so than the element of the bullshit
• 1:11:21
  that surrounds it. And I've seen first hand what
• 1:11:25
  kind of real artist he really is coming.
• 1:11:28
  I was in Lansing when he was developing his shit in Detroit,
• 1:11:32
  so I wasn't that far from him when I met some of his entourage
• 1:11:36
  at the time when I was producing.
• 1:11:38
  But you know, and me and my son talked about this a lot.
• 1:11:42
  For his birthday. I took him to a surprise
• 1:11:47
  concert, the Eminem, when in his early days when he was just
• 1:11:51
  getting started. And I was telling everybody,
• 1:11:53
  this guy's going to be big watch this guy, this guy is going to
• 1:11:57
  be awesome. And I took myself for his
• 1:11:59
  birthday to see Eminem at a closed off daytime concert
• 1:12:04
  nobody knew about and my son became a huge he didn't even
• 1:12:10
  know who he was until he saw the show.
• 1:12:13
  He's still a fan till this day. That's cool.
• 1:12:16
  You know, and I bumped into him, Eminem, a couple of times way
• 1:12:21
  before he became the guy that he is today.
• 1:12:24
  Sure. You know, and same thing with a
• 1:12:25
  lot of people that I know on the first hand basis, like common.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah, Yeah. A lot of these guys were just
• 1:12:35
  like normal guys. They all normal guys until they
• 1:12:38
  reach a peak in their career where they become invincible.
• 1:12:43
  Yeah. And we look at them like more
• 1:12:46
  than what they are. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Well, I never, and when it comes to me, I never wanted to be.
• 1:12:52
  I never wanted that perception. That's why you can talk to me
• 1:12:56
  and all my fans can talk to me. Everybody can talk to me.
• 1:12:59
  When I was a Rap Per SE producer at that time, I watched all the
• 1:13:06
  artists that I produced, everybody that I had some kind
• 1:13:11
  of connection with. We're making hits with them,
• 1:13:14
  their character, their personality outside of the
• 1:13:18
  studio. Oh my God, that can be
• 1:13:21
  unbearable to deal with when you're dealing with them from a
• 1:13:25
  from a perspective of an artist. They just they they have to put
• 1:13:30
  the face on to do so. I.
• 1:13:34
  Said I would never be if I was an artist and I used to say this
• 1:13:37
  all the time. If I ever get an opportunity
• 1:13:40
  beer because I I never wanted to be an artist.
• 1:13:42
  This was I just wanted to be behind the scenes.
• 1:13:45
  And we talked about that last time.
• 1:13:48
  The shit that I seen during my courts, in my time as a
• 1:13:51
  producer, I, I, I was like, I can't believe these are the
• 1:13:54
  people that I looked up to, right?
• 1:13:57
  I go, I have to ask myself like. Wow, for real?
• 1:14:01
  Yeah. Yeah, you know, I've seen so
• 1:14:03
  much shit that I kept saying I would never be like this to my
• 1:14:07
  fans. I would.
• 1:14:08
  I think too many people forget why they started doing it in the
• 1:14:11
  first place. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:14:13
  And. And I promised myself and I
• 1:14:15
  promised my dad, I promised to God.
• 1:14:18
  I said if I ever got a hit, you know, I'm going to be the first
• 1:14:21
  person in and the last person lead.
• 1:14:24
  You know, I'm going to give autographs, shake everybody's
• 1:14:27
  hands. And I'm not going to charge
• 1:14:28
  nobody for no photographs. That's not me.
• 1:14:31
  When I had radio, yeah. When I had my radio, yeah.
• 1:14:35
  When I had my show on iheart, I did a radio show on iheart for a
• 1:14:38
  year called Real Talk USA with the real estate guy.
• 1:14:41
  I got to be really good friends with the people in the Phoenix
• 1:14:43
  iheart, right? Rightfully so because I had a
• 1:14:45
  show on there and so they would take me around when I first got
• 1:14:49
  there and show me where all the artists and stuff would play.
• 1:14:51
  A big one of the biggest key factors when people come into
• 1:14:54
  Phoenix to play. They would do 3 songs in this
• 1:14:57
  little like jam session they had in the in the Phoenix iheart
• 1:15:00
  location. The ones that showed up on time
• 1:15:04
  did their stuff without any head, without any headache or
• 1:15:06
  grievance. Like none of those stupid you
• 1:15:08
  know I might head something I can't get to the door.
• 1:15:10
  Those artists went on to make millions and millions and
• 1:15:12
  millions of dollars and sell records and play a airplay like
• 1:15:15
  galore. Those that fucked with them,
• 1:15:17
  those that showed up 1015 minutes late refused to go on
• 1:15:19
  until they got their seltzer water or until this was done or
• 1:15:22
  till that was done. They squash them like a bug and
• 1:15:27
  because they squashed them like a bug, their entire career
• 1:15:29
  fizzed out because if Iheart wasn't going to play you, you
• 1:15:31
  were fucked. So the right so so he would tell
• 1:15:36
  me, Steve, the guy that was behind my show, would tell me.
• 1:15:38
  There were certain bands would come in and they would stand at
• 1:15:40
  the front door of the iheart studio for three hours after
• 1:15:43
  their their three song performance and sign autographs
• 1:15:46
  and take pictures without complaining, without bitching,
• 1:15:48
  without moaning. And those artists have done
• 1:15:51
  that. They're still out there today
• 1:15:52
  and they're still charting and making music and touring.
• 1:15:55
  Because what I'm talking. About right because why are we
• 1:15:58
  here as musicians because of the fan base and the people that.
• 1:16:07
  They love you. They love you for.
• 1:16:09
  Reason, right? You know they're not going to
• 1:16:14
  love you for for not making music.
• 1:16:17
  They love you because you supply them with what they need.
• 1:16:23
  You supply them the soundtrack of their life.
• 1:16:26
  And if they want to tell it, that's great.
• 1:16:28
  If they want to tell you that, why would you be an ass to them?
• 1:16:32
  Right, right. The right answer is thank you.
• 1:16:34
  That means a lot to me. I'm glad that my song touched.
• 1:16:38
  Your song. I know you do.
• 1:16:39
  I read all your comments man you're 1.
• 1:16:41
  Of the. Most gracious artists out there.
• 1:16:44
  Yep. Which is why.
• 1:16:45
  I make a habit. Of sharing your stuff.
• 1:16:47
  I had a girl I was dating this one girl and she said to me, she
• 1:16:53
  said, why are you so, you know, accessible?
• 1:16:58
  And I said, what do you mean? You're, you're, you're, you
• 1:17:01
  know, you're not like the typical artists that are out.
• 1:17:04
  And I said, no, I don't want to be like that.
• 1:17:07
  You, you got it. Where people she told, she told
• 1:17:09
  me, she said, your, your people can call you.
• 1:17:13
  And I'm like, yes, they can get on the phone from my Facebook
• 1:17:16
  number or whatever. You can reach me and talk to me.
• 1:17:19
  And I thought about it when when she told me that, I was like,
• 1:17:22
  no, I like being accessible. You know what I would say, and I
• 1:17:25
  think you're the same way. As much as I like playing music,
• 1:17:30
  I like talking about it just as much.
• 1:17:32
  So why would I not be accessible to talk about any kind of music
• 1:17:35
  with anybody ever? It's one of my favorite things
• 1:17:38
  to do, and obviously it's one of all of our favorite things to
• 1:17:41
  do, or the three of us wouldn't be sitting here.
• 1:17:43
  That's why you're so accessible. In in other people's eyes, I'm
• 1:17:47
  supposed to be this, you know, hardcore guy don't want to talk
• 1:17:50
  to nobody stay away from me and. I accomplished.
• 1:17:54
  People for photos and you know, that's just not me.
• 1:17:57
  That's. And it shouldn't be, it
• 1:17:59
  shouldn't be. I get, I get if you get, if you
• 1:18:01
  get to a certain level, like claustrophobia is going to blow
• 1:18:03
  up and then all of a sudden you're not going to have your
• 1:18:05
  phone number out there because then whack A mole are going to
• 1:18:07
  call you, right? I had, I had a little bit of
• 1:18:09
  that whack A mole shit when I was on the radio.
• 1:18:11
  People started following me back from when I left the studio.
• 1:18:13
  And she was like, OK, you know, start getting weird messages and
• 1:18:16
  shit. So you kind of kind of dial
• 1:18:17
  stuff back because then you start invading that personal
• 1:18:19
  life, which I get right. But I think there's a line that
• 1:18:24
  you can still maintain accessibility without being a
• 1:18:29
  Dick, you know, and I and, and there's certain artists that
• 1:18:33
  have achieved that and some that that I mean, people like Bieber,
• 1:18:35
  who's constantly berated 24/7. I can see why he's got to push
• 1:18:38
  everybody back and leave him alone.
• 1:18:39
  Because if he stops for a minute, all of a sudden he's
• 1:18:42
  there for five hours. So I get some of it.
• 1:18:45
  But at the same time, you still have to be gracious and remember
• 1:18:47
  where you came from. Like I said, I'm going to be the
• 1:18:50
  first person there and the last one to leave.
• 1:18:53
  I love my fans. If I'm on stage for 2-3 hours,
• 1:18:57
  whatever, I'm going to spend the next hours with my fans before I
• 1:19:00
  go home. I'm not jumping in no car and
• 1:19:02
  drive off and you got all these people you know.
• 1:19:06
  Here's a story. I don't know if I ever told you
• 1:19:08
  this story. Particular artist a friend of
• 1:19:13
  mine had me go on the bus with. This was during my rap days,
• 1:19:19
  producing rap, and he invited me on tour with this particular
• 1:19:23
  artist. I'm not going to say his name.
• 1:19:25
  But OK, that's cool. And I was on the bus with him.
• 1:19:31
  He had just broken his leg. So he still performed for the
• 1:19:35
  fans. And I thought that was
• 1:19:37
  remarkable because some people break your leg.
• 1:19:39
  They don't want to have nothing to do but heal.
• 1:19:43
  But he was out there performing. He was doing his thing.
• 1:19:45
  So that that was another reason that made me want to work with
• 1:19:47
  him until. Yeah, we left the show and on
• 1:19:52
  up. When we left the show, we were
• 1:19:54
  going out of the theater and we were walking towards the parking
• 1:20:00
  lot to the bus, and it was a whole gang of fans there.
• 1:20:04
  And one particular fan was, oh, my, she was in tears.
• 1:20:08
  She just wanted to meet him and she ran up on him.
• 1:20:11
  She had all she had, like all of her records.
• 1:20:15
  All his records, like hugging them.
• 1:20:17
  That's not that's not what she loved them.
• 1:20:19
  And she and we were all walking together, talking, and she ran
• 1:20:24
  up on them and she kissed them on the face.
• 1:20:28
  And he said he would. The words that came out his
• 1:20:31
  mouth was, bitch, why would you put your lips on me?
• 1:20:36
  And she just melted. She was like, yeah, it's she
• 1:20:41
  coming up. It was just, and I'm looking at
• 1:20:44
  her like, no, he did not. Yeah, she.
• 1:20:47
  Took the records, dropped them on the ground, stomped on her
• 1:20:50
  right, them in front of them. That's where the term Don't meet
• 1:20:53
  your heroes comes from. Sometimes I.
• 1:20:56
  Was so hurt. It's so.
• 1:20:58
  Sad. Then right after she stomped the
• 1:21:00
  records and CDs and stuff, she said, I loved you so much.
• 1:21:05
  I can't stand your ass now. And she said all of these
• 1:21:08
  negative things and she went to her car and she cried, right?
• 1:21:12
  She didn't even get in the car. She just put her head on the car
• 1:21:15
  and cried. And I'm looking at my boy who
• 1:21:18
  brought me to this situation, like, is this real?
• 1:21:21
  Is this really happening? And I felt bad that I went over
• 1:21:25
  there. So like, I, you know, I
• 1:21:27
  apologize. I'm sorry.
• 1:21:29
  She was like, I I really truly love this guy and I can't
• 1:21:33
  believe he said that to me. And he told, he literally said
• 1:21:36
  why would you put he's called her a bitch and, and, and was
• 1:21:40
  like, you know, why would you kiss me, put your lips on me,
• 1:21:42
  don't touch me and all of this shit.
• 1:21:44
  I couldn't believe it. So.
• 1:21:46
  Yeah, it's terrible. I spent 5 minutes encouraging
• 1:21:51
  this lady to get back in her car, go home, the whole thing
• 1:21:54
  and just forget the whole thing. And I felt bad.
• 1:21:57
  So I got back on the bus and when I got back on the bus, my
• 1:22:03
  boy was like, you see what I'm talking about?
• 1:22:05
  He just pointed it out. You see what I'm talking about?
• 1:22:08
  So the actual artist was like, OK, let me hear your beats, man.
• 1:22:14
  I took my beats. I said I'm done.
• 1:22:16
  I don't want to work with you. I don't want to have.
• 1:22:19
  I have nothing else to say. And I got off the bus and went
• 1:22:22
  to my. Car there he.
• 1:22:25
  Goes done and I lost with and I always wanted to work with this
• 1:22:28
  guy. So much respect for him.
• 1:22:31
  I was out and I never listened to anymore his music.
• 1:22:34
  I'm sure whatever she was feeling, she stopped the same
• 1:22:37
  thing. And that's what artists don't
• 1:22:40
  realize is, like Chris said a second ago, sometimes that's
• 1:22:44
  that person's whole life. How many people have you met who
• 1:22:47
  are only, like, he said, a Justin Bieber fan or a Tupac fan
• 1:22:52
  or an Elvis fan or like, that's their whole life.
• 1:22:55
  They love those people. They have their posters, they
• 1:22:58
  have all their albums, they go to all their concerts, they wear
• 1:23:00
  their merchandise. You know then for you to act
• 1:23:04
  like they are a peasant and you're some kind of king.
• 1:23:09
  Oh guys, if you hadn't been there, you saw that your your.
• 1:23:12
  Heart would have dropped. I can't.
• 1:23:13
  Accept that more. I felt so embarrassed being
• 1:23:17
  there with them. I would have felt the same way
• 1:23:20
  for sure. Then I would have felt like I
• 1:23:22
  got to get out of here. This is this is not this is not
• 1:23:25
  this is not cool for me. And and nobody went to check on
• 1:23:29
  this girl. All security did.
• 1:23:31
  Everybody was just nobody. So I ran over there like, no, I
• 1:23:36
  can't believe and I'm Pat, are you OK?
• 1:23:38
  And I'm asking now, you know, and I'm apologizing for his
• 1:23:42
  actions, right? That's not bad.
• 1:23:44
  I felt I was like, I'm out of this no more.
• 1:23:47
  That was that was the probably the beginning of me saying that
• 1:23:52
  I was done in, you know, coming to the forefront of me quick.
• 1:23:56
  Because everybody's human, man. That's the thing.
• 1:23:58
  It doesn't that. Now, if had he done the opposite
• 1:24:02
  thing with that, that would have been another version of a story
• 1:24:07
  that he probably would have continued.
• 1:24:09
  Then other people would have heard that story.
• 1:24:10
  You know what I mean? And it's you flip the coin.
• 1:24:13
  Yeah, Levon would be telling 180° different story, right?
• 1:24:16
  You say this guy, there's a moment.
• 1:24:18
  Of that one, there it was myself, the artist, the guy who
• 1:24:22
  brought me in security. Right, see then you would be
• 1:24:25
  naming the guy and you would be saying, hey, let me tell you
• 1:24:28
  what such facing. Him.
• 1:24:28
  Lifting him. We had a minute and 45 seconds
• 1:24:31
  to get on the bus to make sure we were on time for the next
• 1:24:34
  show and this guy literally stopped for 5 minutes and signed
• 1:24:37
  all this ladies, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:24:40
  Then you would be telling literally 180° different story.
• 1:24:43
  That's all it took was 5 minutes of his day.
• 1:24:46
  And he didn't even he didn't even after that situation
• 1:24:50
  happened with the first girl, she was the last girl because he
• 1:24:53
  walked away. There was other fans there.
• 1:24:55
  Oh sure, walked away from all of them to walk straight on the
• 1:24:58
  bus. Yep, Yep.
• 1:25:00
  And it comes back. People don't think that shit
• 1:25:02
  comes around. It comes around.
• 1:25:03
  You hear, you hear stories about, you know, artists and
• 1:25:06
  musicians and actors and that are just pieces of shit and it
• 1:25:10
  comes back to them and it burns them in the ass.
• 1:25:12
  And then you have people like Keanu Reeves.
• 1:25:14
  There's not a negative thing said about him.
• 1:25:16
  Why? Because he's a gracious human,
• 1:25:18
  respects the fact that he that he has the life that he has and
• 1:25:21
  he knows the life he has is because everybody around him
• 1:25:25
  helped him create that life. I respect him more as a as a
• 1:25:29
  human being more than his craft, that's all.
• 1:25:32
  Absolutely. Me too.
• 1:25:33
  Absolutely, absolutely. There's need to be more Keanu
• 1:25:36
  Reeves in our world. Speaks out more to me than his
• 1:25:39
  moves. Exactly.
• 1:25:41
  And that's how I want more. That's why I'm the way that I am
• 1:25:44
  with my fans and I make music for my fans.
• 1:25:48
  My music is for therapy for everybody, you know, whatever
• 1:25:51
  they're going through. If I can have some kind of
• 1:25:54
  impact on my fans live with my music, then that's that's a
• 1:25:58
  blessing to me. If somebody's like something
• 1:26:00
  that I recorded and I hear that compliment that, I always blow
• 1:26:04
  them away by saying I'd, I'd love it as much as you do.
• 1:26:07
  So thanks, you know? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:10
  I, I love hearing it. Like Chris said, we've played
• 1:26:12
  and heard these songs thousands, 10s of thousands of times.
• 1:26:15
  And every time I hear them, I still love them.
• 1:26:17
  I wrote them for that reason, right?
• 1:26:19
  They meant something to me and they still mean something to me
• 1:26:22
  to this day. Yeah, it's our music, and I
• 1:26:24
  still rock out to it. I mean, that tells you
• 1:26:26
  something, you know? And of all the bands I've been
• 1:26:28
  in, the only music that does that for me is Nemesis.
• 1:26:31
  There's a couple tracks in the last band I was in that I still
• 1:26:33
  really enjoy listening to. But anything Nemesis wise,
• 1:26:36
  because it was such a lightning in the bottle capture and it's
• 1:26:40
  still relevant lyrically in the world we live in today that it's
• 1:26:43
  just, to me, it's just it, it is what it is.
• 1:26:45
  You create something in a space and time and you put a timestamp
• 1:26:49
  on it. So when that shit like that
• 1:26:51
  happens, you did. And it happens more often than
• 1:26:53
  not, right? All you have to do was turn to
• 1:26:55
  her and say thank you. What can I sign or give her a
• 1:26:57
  hug back or hey, I can't, I can't hang out.
• 1:27:00
  I got to go kiss her on the forehead, thank you very much.
• 1:27:03
  You know what I mean? It's just 20 seconds of your
• 1:27:05
  time is not going to do really. Your life that's it That is so
• 1:27:09
  true and I I turned there's another time when I was during
• 1:27:14
  last year. I think it was right after the
• 1:27:19
  ceremony and it this to. The Hall of Fame, Yeah.
• 1:27:23
  Yeah, the Hall of Fame. And there were remarkable artist
• 1:27:27
  there that I performed. Oh.
• 1:27:28
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:27:30
  I mean, go back to research their records that you know,
• 1:27:33
  classic records and classic artist that I'm on the same
• 1:27:37
  stage with shocked the hell out of me.
• 1:27:39
  I grew up listening to this, knowing wow, I can't even.
• 1:27:42
  Frank Stallone was there so. All right, he.
• 1:27:44
  Got it. Awesome.
• 1:27:46
  So, you know, and after it was over, I swear all the same
• 1:27:53
  people that loved all of those artists, they all wanted me.
• 1:27:57
  They wanted me. They wanted my autograph and
• 1:28:01
  everything. And I, if I recall, I'd never
• 1:28:04
  forget I was with, I was with somebody who was like, come on,
• 1:28:08
  let's go, let's go, let's go. And I've said, no, I'm going to
• 1:28:11
  stick it out as long as I can because they're coming to me
• 1:28:13
  asking especially the owner of the place, please don't leave.
• 1:28:17
  She said. She kept saying please don't
• 1:28:18
  leave because everybody wanted, yeah, you know, And I was like,
• 1:28:21
  no problem, you know? So I took pictures with
• 1:28:25
  everybody all the way in there, so damn near the place closed.
• 1:28:30
  And it just made everybody feel good that I was there when I saw
• 1:28:34
  most of the artists who haven't had hits out in a long time
• 1:28:37
  skate out of there. Yeah, it's Carmen, man.
• 1:28:41
  And it's crazy. I'm like, wow, you know?
• 1:28:44
  Well, I was. I think it's I think it's part
• 1:28:47
  of being a humble artist too. Lemoyne.
• 1:28:49
  I was always fascinated that somebody like my stuff as much
• 1:28:52
  as I do. Right?
• 1:28:53
  Yeah. It humbles you if you're in the
• 1:28:55
  right mindset. When somebody leaves you a
• 1:28:59
  social media message and they take the time to make a video of
• 1:29:03
  themselves with your song, which people do by the thousands,
• 1:29:06
  ladies and gentlemen, They're it's almost hard to keep up with
• 1:29:10
  how many people do this with his songs.
• 1:29:12
  They do that because they know you as an artist and they feel
• 1:29:18
  close to you because you're humble, right?
• 1:29:20
  You can't fake that. No, you just know.
• 1:29:24
  You can know. You know, tremendous, this is
• 1:29:27
  such a remarkable feeling to know the, the, the adulation you
• 1:29:32
  get and, and, and the, the, what people get from your music, what
• 1:29:38
  you contribute to their lives because you, you hit it right.
• 1:29:41
  Earlier you said I created this for the soundtrack of their
• 1:29:45
  lives. Well, technically I was creating
• 1:29:49
  the music, the soundtrack for my life, which is a part of
• 1:29:54
  everybody else's life because I'm human just like everybody
• 1:29:58
  else. And I go through problems and
• 1:30:00
  I've had issues just like everybody else.
• 1:30:02
  So I said, well, why not sing about it?
• 1:30:04
  You know, whatever I'm going through, I'm sure somebody else
• 1:30:07
  is going. Through which is what makes
• 1:30:09
  music the true magic on this planet.
• 1:30:11
  Because what we've been talking about over and over again in
• 1:30:15
  this podcast, a repeating theme is you both write lyrics that
• 1:30:19
  mean something to you that end up meaning something to maybe
• 1:30:24
  let's say 25,000,000 other people, 12 million other ways,
• 1:30:29
  right? Because a lot of people are
• 1:30:31
  going to interpret it the way you did, the way I did, but
• 1:30:33
  you're going to have a handful of people who are going to
• 1:30:36
  interpret it in ways you would never even have imagined.
• 1:30:40
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  It's just makes music such a magical thing.
• 1:30:44
  That's the whole thing right there.
• 1:30:47
  All right, let's wrap this up. So Lemoyne Alexander, they can
• 1:30:50
  find you all kinds of social media, right?
• 1:30:53
  Just just go ahead and look up Lemoyne Alexander on Facebook,
• 1:30:57
  look him up on Instagram. You can find him.
• 1:31:01
  There's his number. So so it's a fight.
• 1:31:04
  So because it's an Arizona based number, Tucson, is that where
• 1:31:07
  you're from? OK, no, I'm, I'm really from
• 1:31:10
  Chicago, but when I when I was married, I kept the same name
• 1:31:14
  when I was living in in Arizona. So I kept.
• 1:31:17
  The number. So.
• 1:31:18
  All right, Cool. Cool.
• 1:31:20
  Yeah. So.
• 1:31:20
  So what is your website? Well, we lamoine Alexander.
• 1:31:27
  Dot com Lamoine Alexander fanpage.com.
• 1:31:31
  OK, because you this one has we. Lemoyne That's like the wicked
• 1:31:36
  entertainment Lemoyne alexander.com But.
• 1:31:39
  Oh, OK, got you. That makes sense now.
• 1:31:40
  OK, Yeah. Right.
• 1:31:41
  On SO, Right on. I will be performing New Year's
• 1:31:46
  in Chicago. Everyone is welcome to come.
• 1:31:49
  I'm going to. It's going to be a huge
• 1:31:51
  sensation party, yeah. And and as I said, we're going
• 1:31:56
  to give away a lot of giveaways and have and their other guests,
• 1:32:00
  surprise guests is going to be there too.
• 1:32:02
  Cool. Hope to see everybody there.
• 1:32:04
  Yeah, All right. Now for Lamon, Alexander, Mike
• 1:32:07
  and Chris, it's Chris and Mike. So remember, if you're feeling
• 1:32:09
  suicidal, depressed, go scream in a pillow, go outside and run
• 1:32:13
  and go jog or work out. Find somebody to talk to you.
• 1:32:17
  If you can't find somebody to talk to you, text 988.
• 1:32:19
  Somebody's there waiting to help you through your struggles.
• 1:32:21
  Don't leave a hole in somebody's heart.
• 1:32:23
  Somebody does love you. Somebody will miss you.
• 1:32:24
  You are loved and cared for. Tomorrow will be it will be a
• 1:32:27
  better day as you wake up in it. So again for Chris and Mike
• 1:32:31
  Lemoyne Alexander, I love you guys.
• 1:32:33
  This has been a great talking to you brother.
• 1:32:35
  Thanks for doing this and mine. Yeah, absolutely, man.
• 1:32:38
  I'll see you with the next time, yeah.
• 1:32:40
  Yeah, we're going to. We're going to have you on
• 1:32:41
  again. We're going to have you on again
• 1:32:42
  for sure. Until next time by buddy.
• 1:32:44
  Peace, peace, peace. Look the tablet, go inside, feel
• 1:32:59
  the. Tears open your eyes.
• 1:33:11
  Feel the trail behind your eyes. Feel yourself and need yourself.
• 1:33:19
  Take a moment, look at you and see it.
• 1:33:23
  Watch the battle, the tears. Watch the battle.
• 1:34:39
  Come. Down here we haven't found the
• 1:34:57
  salary in the sand from fighting.
• 1:35:02
  Wait for the dead. When you close.
• 1:35:05
  Your outfit in the wind you ain't.
• 1:35:09
  No. Quizzes we're playing Smile and
• 1:35:13
  you should keep going on the Almighty how to treat you who in
• 1:35:19
  your life to keep on throwing every man.
• 1:35:26
  Take the trail behind your eyes. Feel the soul revolution die.
• 1:35:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:42
  Take a moment. Look at you.
• 1:35:45
  See him fight the fan. Only two more clear.
• 1:36:15
  You gotta, You gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.