Latest / Martyr's Row / Ep. 28 - What Did Jesus Actually Do On Earth?
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- 0:03Saint Agnes, a maiden of but 12 years, yet strong
- 0:08in the faith of Christ, was in the days of Diocletian
- 0:12accused for confessing Christ's name. Being fair
- 0:16of countenance, many sought her hand, yet she
- 0:20refused all, saying she had chosen Christ for
- 0:22her bridegroom. For this, the tyrants judged
- 0:26her to shameful abuse, thinking by dishonor to
- 0:29break her constancy. But the Lord preserved her
- 0:32undefiled, and all that looked upon her were
- 0:36struck with fear. Enraged that so, young a virgin
- 0:40should stand unshaken, they cast her into the
- 0:44fire, which harmed her not, whereupon they pierced
- 0:48her through with the sword. Thus fell this pure
- 0:51Lamb of Christ, whose innocence confounded the
- 0:54cruelty of her judges, and whose blood witnessed
- 0:58that the weakest in body may be strongest in
- 1:02the faith. Anno Domini, 304. Wonder bread I'm
- 1:30also gonna edit your shirt. So it is green Also
- 1:35your shirt is also a shade of green and I said
- 1:37aren't are you aren't you colorblind? He said
- 1:40no, I own a painting company So, I mean looking
- 1:45at it with better lighting cuz it was dark out
- 1:48there Yeah, it is definitely way more gray. I
- 1:51don't do but there is still some green in it.
- 1:53Yeah. Well Little bit probably when you're seeing
- 1:57this Dear listener and viewer. I'm just gonna
- 2:01be completely bright green. Yeah, like my whole
- 2:04body even your face So welcome to martyrs row
- 2:08perks of being an editor Paul have you ever heard
- 2:12of the man day ends the man day ends? Yeah, man
- 2:15day ends. I've heard of the Mandela effect Are
- 2:19they like his followers? No Mandaeans. M -A -N
- 2:23-D -A -E -A -N -S. Mandaeans. Kind of hard to
- 2:29say. Yeah, it is. You're buying a lot of vowels.
- 2:36I'd like to buy a vowel. You just need an A and
- 2:39an E. Over and over and over again. And over
- 2:42and over and over again. So you want to guess
- 2:44who the Mandaeans are? I guess you just did.
- 2:46Yeah, I did. You want to do it again? The other
- 2:51thing I think about is like macadamian. Okay,
- 2:54so it's like which is close to Maccabee. Yeah
- 2:56Is that who they are? No, oh I thought that was
- 3:00like a nice hit Are you on to something? The
- 3:03Mandaeans. You're not? No, I'm not. I'm just
- 3:05thinking words that sound similar to it. To be
- 3:07honest I don't really know where the name comes
- 3:09from Okay, but I don't really need to know so
- 3:13I Because you have the answer. No, I don't think
- 3:17I have the answer. I mean it's like the rest
- 3:19of it Oh, I know who the Mandaeans are. Yeah,
- 3:22I have no clue. Okay, so the Mandaeans my guess
- 3:25was hit the followers of Mandela and Macadamia
- 3:29nut No, your guess was the followers of the Mandela
- 3:32effect. Oh, yeah, that's Which actually has a
- 3:37pretty big following I think yeah, I think most
- 3:39people in the world. Yeah Do most people believe
- 3:42in the Mandela effect? I don't think so That's
- 3:45like a rabbit hole where it's like wait, what
- 3:47is it? Oh, maybe I do. I don't really know. Yeah,
- 3:50I think the people that don't think that it could
- 3:53be real are people who haven't heard of it or
- 3:58That's fair have heard it don't know what it
- 4:01is and have waited too long to ask That's always
- 4:06the worst it's like I'm too far into this to
- 4:09even ask the question. Way behind. If I ask now,
- 4:12I'm going to look like a big... That's like that
- 4:14window of time when you meet someone new and
- 4:16you can't remember their name. Be like, I've
- 4:18talked to you now for too long to ask you again.
- 4:21Yeah. That's why a lot of times, especially at
- 4:24church, I'll just be like, hey, Stephen. Like
- 4:28I'll just introduce myself. Like the first like
- 4:31five, six or seven, until the person is like,
- 4:33hey, Stephen. Oh, that's cool. Like I'll just
- 4:35kind of do that because I'm like, I don't expect
- 4:37you to remember my name. Yeah. Yeah, that's such
- 4:39an arrogant thing. You don't know who I am. You
- 4:44don't know me? Have you not seen my name tag?
- 4:50Like all my shirts have it stitched in. That's
- 4:52actually kind of cool. It would be cool. That
- 4:54would be cool. And then I would just be like
- 4:56a mechanic. I just walk around in that mechanic
- 5:03garb. Yeah, my onesie kind of a vibe. Yeah, what
- 5:07is it like? Probably dickies Yeah, yeah, they
- 5:11make yeah, they make the the rugged stuff the
- 5:14onesies the man dance adult onesies The man dance
- 5:19are people who are adult onesies You've seen
- 5:24them under your car often I keep finding these
- 5:28people with adult ones, he's under my car. Those
- 5:30are the Mandaeans! Don't ask him about the Mandela
- 5:36effect. But they're always eating our macadamia
- 5:39nuts. And they're going on and on about frutal
- 5:41bleeding. Was it a cornucopia or was it not?
- 5:46There was! There was! Okay, Seinfeld. What's
- 5:51the deal with the cornucopia? Alright, so the
- 5:53Mandaeans. This is just our rabbit hole. All
- 6:00right, so the Mandaeans are actually the followers
- 6:03of John the Baptist. I would never have thought.
- 6:06I know, there's no reason why you wouldn't. Is
- 6:08that like a nickname that he? I don't know. I
- 6:10think it has something to do with the language.
- 6:11Okay. But they are, they preserve a Gnostic tradition
- 6:16that reveres John the Baptist as their central
- 6:20prophet. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so like. Yeah.
- 6:24I actually did wonder - Well, I guess we kind
- 6:26of do see that in Scripture. Mm -hmm. Where we
- 6:28do see people like, oh, I follow John the Baptist.
- 6:31Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he has his own apostles.
- 6:35Yeah. He has his own disciples. That's the word.
- 6:37Yeah. So he has his own disciples. In fact, a
- 6:41couple of the disciples of Jesus were disciples
- 6:44of John. Interesting. So they would be called
- 6:47Mendeans. Not anymore. Oh. They'd be called Christians.
- 6:51Well now, yeah. But then. But the ones who stayed,
- 6:56a lot of them are Bandaans. Mandaans. And they
- 6:59are mechanics. Yes. They wear adult onesies.
- 7:04With like the hood attached. But their origins,
- 7:08they likely arose in Mesopotamia during the first
- 7:12few centuries after Christ. Their sacred texts
- 7:17were written in Mandaic. That's where it comes
- 7:20from. It's a dialect of Aramaic. Mandaic Aramaic.
- 7:25Actually that makes sense, it rhymes. So that's
- 7:27where that name comes from. They're one of the
- 7:30last surviving Gnostic groups from antiquity.
- 7:35Their main beliefs are dualism. They see the
- 7:37world as a struggle between light and darkness.
- 7:40So good the spiritual realm and then evil the
- 7:42material realm. So they see it as like a battle
- 7:45between uh light and dark but light being the
- 7:48spiritual space and dark being the physical space
- 7:51which is a very like eastern view yeah yeah yeah
- 7:56and is like kind of close to christianity and
- 8:01judaism but not yeah um they worship a supreme
- 8:07formless god of light sometimes called i'm not
- 8:12gonna say that the great life The great life
- 8:15is what the English translation is. In John the
- 8:17Baptist, they view him as their greatest teacher
- 8:19and prophet. Jesus, however, they reject Jesus,
- 8:23often regarding him negatively as someone who
- 8:25distorted John's message. Hmm. Yeah, which is
- 8:29interesting. It's interesting when John is the
- 8:32one who's like, yeah, this is him. Yeah, and
- 8:34they're like, nah, he messed it up. We had a
- 8:37good thing going, John. Yeah, exactly. But they're
- 8:40modern. It says modern situation, population.
- 8:43once tens of thousands, but now greatly reduced,
- 8:46perhaps 60 ,000 to 100 ,000 worldwide due to
- 8:50persecution and displacement. That seems like
- 8:53a really high number. So currently there's -
- 8:55I thought it'd be like, there's like 10. Right.
- 8:58Or like there was 10, but they went extinct.
- 9:04No, so like currently there's 60 ,000 to 100
- 9:07,000 people who are modern Mandaeans. I would
- 9:13never have guessed that. Really weird, right?
- 9:15Yeah. They mostly live in Iraq and Iran, but
- 9:19now many are refugees scattered across Europe,
- 9:22Australia, and North America. They're a fragile
- 9:25community trying to preserve their tradition
- 9:27while facing pressure from assimilation and loss
- 9:30of homeland. But the thing is, and we were kind
- 9:34of getting into that in the last episode with
- 9:36Israel, it's like, I'm not sure what... the homeland
- 9:40they were. There's like some stretch in the wilderness
- 9:42and like that's ours. Yeah yeah yeah like where
- 9:45John the Baptist dwells. Those are my locusts.
- 9:50We've been raising these locusts for centuries.
- 9:53Do they have like like a diet like that or they
- 9:56let eat like real food? Oh yeah I don't know.
- 9:58That'd be interesting. There's any mandans watching?
- 10:02Do you just eat bugs and honey? Yeah I mean so
- 10:05baptism is ritual immersions. are central to
- 10:09Mandean life, but unlike Christianity, baptism
- 10:11isn't once for all. It's repeated regularly for
- 10:15purification and spiritual renewal. Oh, interesting.
- 10:18Yeah. So they view that as their version of like
- 10:22a sacrifice, like Old Testament sacrifices. Yeah.
- 10:26OK. Yeah, like purity and renewal is through
- 10:29baptism. That's fascinating. Which if you think
- 10:32about it, and I was talking to somebody about
- 10:33this maybe today, I don't remember, but Like
- 10:38the idea of like, okay, well if Jesus says go
- 10:41and make disciples and baptize in the name of
- 10:43the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, John the
- 10:45Baptist was not doing that. Right. But he was
- 10:48baptizing people. But who was baptizing people
- 10:53before? Like we didn't really see baptism before
- 10:56John the Baptist. Yeah, that's a good question.
- 10:59Like where did that? Was that just like his original
- 11:01idea? Well, think about the fact that, so John
- 11:04the Baptist is the cousin of Jesus. Yeah. The
- 11:08son of Zechariah and Elizabeth. And Zechariah
- 11:12is a priest. He's a Levite in the temple. Yeah.
- 11:15And that's where the purification through water
- 11:19would come from because they would have to get
- 11:22ritually clean and purified before stepping into
- 11:26their priestly duty. Oh, interesting. So like
- 11:30John the Baptist, as a precursor, one, as Isaiah
- 11:34says, crying out in the wilderness, prepare the
- 11:37way of the Lord, is preemptively baptizing people,
- 11:43not in the name of Christ, but preaching the
- 11:46Savior is to come. Yeah. Right? And he's doing
- 11:49that to prepare the way. Yeah. So in some ways
- 11:51he's like, which I haven't really dug too much
- 11:53into this, but like in some ways he is saying
- 11:56like, You can you need to be purified. Yeah immersion
- 12:02and water. Yeah the way that the priests are
- 12:04Yeah Which I guess that makes sense when you
- 12:07look at Is Isaiah 66 we're kind of opens that
- 12:12up for people. Yeah, as far as Christ is gonna
- 12:14come and reclaim the nations and Those that aren't
- 12:19Levi's are gonna be Acting in that place. Yeah.
- 12:23Yeah. Yeah, so it was a precursor to like what
- 12:25was about to happen. So it kind of said Yeah.
- 12:28Which makes sense. But to Mandaeans, Jesus came
- 12:33to John the Baptist. The Mandaeans agree that
- 12:35Jesus approached John the Baptist, but in their
- 12:37telling, Jesus was not baptized in a way that
- 12:39gave him authority or divine approval. Instead,
- 12:42Jesus is sometimes portrayed as a false, false
- 12:46claimant who tried to steal John's teaching and
- 12:49baptism for his self. Jesus is often described
- 12:53in hostile terms, someone who twisted or corrupted
- 12:56John's baptism. They accused Jesus of taking
- 12:59John's pure right of light, repeated baptisms
- 13:04of purification, and turning it into a one -time
- 13:07Christian sacrament, which they view as a false
- 13:10innovation. Isn't that crazy? Interesting. So
- 13:13they were like, no, John's doing it. He was the
- 13:15first one to do it. Yeah. He was doing it right.
- 13:18Jesus distorted what John started. That's really
- 13:22interesting. But John... is like, no, I'm doing
- 13:25this to prepare the way for the one to come.
- 13:27So it's like that. And they're like, no. No,
- 13:30no, no. That's not your message. You're the one
- 13:32that got it right. But they kind of started after
- 13:36John the Baptist. I don't think there's an assumption
- 13:39that the Mandaeans were part of the disciples
- 13:45of John. OK. It was like a sect that grew after
- 13:49the fact. It was a Gnostic group that grew out
- 13:52of like the teachings and the text that they
- 13:56had. So there's a Gnostic gospel of John the
- 14:00Baptist. I did know about that. It's in the first
- 14:03couple centuries. Yeah. So it's after John dies.
- 14:07That's what I was going to say. I wonder if that
- 14:08was part of what kind of sparked curiosity for
- 14:11people to dive into like, okay, what was he teaching?
- 14:14Yeah. Actually, their gospel says the Gnostic
- 14:19gospel, the Ginza Raba. Jesus is often paired
- 14:23with figures of darkness and falsehood, not light.
- 14:26It says, quote, the son of the virgin was clothed
- 14:29in lies and fraud. He deceived and perverted
- 14:32the words of truth. That's crazy. That's wild.
- 14:36Yeah. Yeah, so they say John is the true revealer
- 14:41of light. Isn't that crazy? That's interesting.
- 14:45It's funny because it's like the guy you're following
- 14:46said the opposite. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, so the
- 14:52Mandans Wow, I didn't know they existed and there's
- 14:55a lot of them at least 60 ,000 Yeah, that's crazy
- 14:59though, right? That's pretty crazy Yeah, so things
- 15:02that you didn't know existed that still exists
- 15:04that have been around for centuries Do you think
- 15:07they have like they like install a baptismal
- 15:09in their house? Or do they just kind of like
- 15:12like a bathtub? Yeah, but like did they invent
- 15:15the bathtub? Like, we gotta keep baptizing. I
- 15:20mean, their adult onesies come in handy when
- 15:22they're installing bathtubs into people's houses.
- 15:28You know what I mean? No, like, they have a separate
- 15:29one. You know, like, some people have, like,
- 15:32a room, like a shrine room or something like
- 15:34that. Okay, yeah, yeah. They have, like, a baptism
- 15:36room. Yeah. Do you know people with shrine rooms?
- 15:39I do. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Well, not really,
- 15:42because they're worshipping other gods. I mean,
- 15:46it's cool that you know them. It's an interesting
- 15:47idea. Yeah. It's cool that you know people. I
- 15:54have friends. So the Mandaeans, yeah, about 2
- 15:59,000 years old. They're pretty old people. Send
- 16:03us a picture of your baptism room. That would
- 16:05be crazy. If any actual Mandaean sees this or
- 16:09hears this for any reason, please reach out.
- 16:12I would love to talk to them. We would both would.
- 16:15We would interview, you'd be the first guest
- 16:17on Martyrs Row. That could be really cool. Wild,
- 16:21right? Yeah. I mean that's, yeah. So shout out
- 16:24to the Mandaeans. Yeah. Three, two, one. Could
- 16:48Eve speak, sneak into the store event? Say to
- 16:58my landlord, is this the end? What are you babbling
- 17:07on about, they say? history carved in stone truth
- 17:30or myth I still want to know water's role where
- 17:40the wild ones go welcome to Ghost in the night,
- 18:17our trees portal a -hide I still want to know
- 18:58the martyr's road Where the wild Change your
- 19:37life, fly Who is the son of man? Beyond the skies,
- 19:45beyond... Stay. So, we've gotten to this topic
- 21:04of Israel. Yes. And Israel's cool. Who? Jacob.
- 21:09What? When? When how? Wonder bread. Wonder bread.
- 21:16I actually, I was at Walmart this week and I
- 21:18walked past the bread aisle and I was like, I
- 21:21was this close to just buying you wonder bread.
- 21:24That's amazing. Did you notice on the thumbnail?
- 21:27I put a giant loaf of bread in the back. Oh you
- 21:29did? I didn't notice that. Really? Yeah. You
- 21:32have the giant blue for bear with a question
- 21:34mark on it. Oh really? Yeah. I think for some
- 21:37reason I thought it was like an old like clay
- 21:40castle or something. Oh that's funny. I actually
- 21:42like that because it's like you don't know what
- 21:44it is. Yeah I didn't look close enough. It's
- 21:46just bread. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah so if you
- 21:51don't know what we're talking about. Wonder bread.
- 21:54Continue listening to actually go from here to
- 21:57the episode before this. Yeah. Listen to that
- 21:59one because it will make this one make more sense.
- 22:02Yeah. You should listen to the other one probably
- 22:03like three times. Yeah, and then listen to this
- 22:06like five times three or four Yeah, yeah at least
- 22:08half speed double speed and then regular. Yep,
- 22:11and then leave a comment, right? Yeah. Yeah,
- 22:13tell us. Hey, why did you suggest that? And we'll
- 22:17tell you We'll write algorithm. Well, i'll be
- 22:20waiting to respond Yeah, you're good with the
- 22:24responding Maybe we'll see we'll see time will
- 22:28tell um Yeah, so israel We talked about person
- 22:34or land. Yeah, right something like that. Yeah
- 22:37Yeah, that's exactly And just kind of discussed
- 22:40through like what like what where did the name
- 22:44Israel come from? Like the one who wrestles with
- 22:46God. It's like well that actually happened So
- 22:49that's like an event that took place that that
- 22:52where that name came from And then other things
- 22:56happen and then Jacob finds himself after that
- 23:00event in Bethel where his grandfather Abram had
- 23:05been in the same location to then remove all
- 23:11of the other gods from his household, which is
- 23:14also what Abram did, and surrender everything
- 23:18and worship Yahweh. And in that moment also,
- 23:22again, his name gets changed by the Lord to Israel.
- 23:28So it happens twice. But one of the things that
- 23:31I love about that story with Jacob is that idea
- 23:34of like, it was like, and then Jacob went off
- 23:36by himself and then he wrestled with a man. Yeah.
- 23:40And you're like, wait, what? What happened? He's
- 23:44like, he went off by himself and then for some
- 23:46reason there was a man there. Which actually
- 23:48is kind of a funny idea. Yeah. It's just like,
- 23:52it's funny in how it's like. Okay, so he's here
- 23:55by himself and then one other dude just randomly
- 23:57shows up He's like I'm gonna fight him. Yeah,
- 24:00I actually it's kind of like a total guy thing,
- 24:02which I think is hilarious But it also wasn't
- 24:04like what a rassle Jacob went off by himself.
- 24:07And then he saw a guy was like, what are you
- 24:09doing here? Yeah, we should fight He was like
- 24:13he was just like and then there was a guy that
- 24:15he wrestled all the way through the night Yeah,
- 24:18like wait a minute. What's happening here? Yeah
- 24:21Yeah, so So in talking about that, I think the
- 24:25discussion really kind of leads to this idea
- 24:28of like, do you think they took breaks in between?
- 24:30I don't know. They would do like 10 minute rounds.
- 24:34And then he's like, all right, let's take a breather.
- 24:36Take a little breather. Yeah. Oh, is there like
- 24:38a heavenly host watching? Yeah. Like ding -ding
- 24:43-ding. I was thinking like the genie in Aladdin
- 24:45or something All the sudden there's like animals
- 24:49I want a clean fight It's the Holy Spirit it's
- 24:54like, you know coming up out of there yeah Yeah,
- 24:58so weird image But yeah, and so we kept going
- 25:06in in the the state of like well the land of
- 25:09Israel or the land of Canaan right, that Abram
- 25:12actually leaves Mesopotamia to go inhabit, but
- 25:18then ends up in Egypt, comes back up, and everybody
- 25:20seems to find themselves in Egypt coming back
- 25:22up. It's like they keep overshooting it. They're
- 25:25going too far south. They go, I missed it. Yeah.
- 25:28Egypt again. They keep stopping in Bethel and
- 25:30then just swoop. Now we're in Egypt. I thought
- 25:32this looked familiar. Yeah and Bethel is like
- 25:36modern day. We talked about that like more modern
- 25:38day in like West or West Bank like Gaza area.
- 25:42Yeah. So in the second temple era it would have
- 25:46been like Sumeria. Okay. Which is like the northern
- 25:50kingdom of Israel. But yeah and then like the
- 25:55discussion of like well a lot of times I think
- 25:58especially as Christians, we kind of go like,
- 26:00all right, well, it was the land of Canaan, and
- 26:02then it was Israel's land, and then the fall
- 26:08of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and then now we're here.
- 26:11In 1948, Israel becomes a state, and it's like,
- 26:14well, it was always Israel's land. It's like,
- 26:16well, not for the last 2 ,000 years it wasn't.
- 26:19And then 2 ,000 years before that, it also wasn't
- 26:23theirs. It was the Canaanites. Yeah, that's true.
- 26:26And we talked about like the Canaanites are...
- 26:29Not like one people group. No, it was just like
- 26:32the people that lived in the land of Canaan.
- 26:34Yeah. Which is kind of, yeah, like a lawless
- 26:37land. Which, and even now that I think about
- 26:40that, it actually is an interesting idea going
- 26:42back even to Canaan. Yeah. The person, Canaan.
- 26:46Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of an interesting parallel
- 26:48there. Oh, that was the other thing about the
- 26:50Mandaans is that they find their origin back
- 26:53in Shim. Oh, really? And the son of Noah, yeah,
- 26:57which would be the bloodline of Christ. Yeah.
- 26:59Which does make sense because John the Baptist
- 27:01is the cousin of Jesus. Yeah. And his dad was
- 27:04a Levite, so he's in the line of David. Which
- 27:07is pretty cool. It is cool. It's cool. It's kind
- 27:09of interesting. But yeah, so then the discussion
- 27:12really is like, okay, well, for Christians, what
- 27:15does Israel mean now? Like, what relationship
- 27:19should we have with it? And then looking into,
- 27:22well, then going like, well, probably the best
- 27:24place to look is Jesus. Yeah. Like, OK, well,
- 27:28so what did what did Jesus when Jesus was on
- 27:32the earth? What everybody wanted him to do was
- 27:37overthrow the Roman government and become the
- 27:41king and establish Jerusalem the way or Israel
- 27:44the way it was. Right. Where there's no Roman
- 27:47rule. It's just like Israel. Jesus is the new
- 27:51David. and that was the idea was like now that
- 27:54we have a king now we have a king and the the
- 27:57whole land is now established that's what they
- 28:00wanted jesus to do he didn't do that yeah so
- 28:03really i think the question i have for you tonight
- 28:05is um what like what did jesus actually do on
- 28:11the earth what did jesus accomplish on the earth
- 28:15yeah like what did he do while he was here what
- 28:17what did he accomplish well he'd wake up at seven
- 28:20thirty He would brush his teeth with his finger.
- 28:26And then he would walk 70 miles to get to fish.
- 28:29And then he would get to eat the fish. And go
- 28:32yum yum yum to my tum tum tum. Time for work.
- 28:37Hey Daddy -o, where are we going today? I jump
- 28:41in the boat. He's like, dude, you're like 10
- 28:43hours late for work. I needed to fish, Daddy.
- 28:52We're gonna get crucified for that joke. Well,
- 28:56if he was, let's be crucified with him. I've
- 29:01been crucified with Christ for that joke I told.
- 29:05That's funny. But yeah, you know this is a total
- 29:09tangent. Okay, but that's been the whole show
- 29:11so far. I do think it's funny. I would love...
- 29:17You know after you go through the whole judgment
- 29:19thing and he's like all right, you're in like
- 29:21I'm like, okay like which jokes. Did you think
- 29:25were funny though? Like I want to know it's like
- 29:30did I in anything I prayed said thought Did I
- 29:34make God laugh like? Like did you get a good
- 29:38chuckle out of something? I don't know why but
- 29:39I feel like very like oh, that's really sweet
- 29:46Did I make you laugh? Were you mad? Did you think
- 29:49it was funny? Did I ever do anything that made
- 29:52you laugh? Did I just get you to chuckle once?
- 29:54Like one joke. Like maybe a little curl on the...
- 29:58He's like, oh my son. He's like, you are not
- 30:02funny. I laughed the whole time at you. No! Don't
- 30:09worry, the father didn't see it. Because he sees
- 30:12you through me. And you're not funny? So I edited
- 30:16out all the jokes. He's like, but there was one
- 30:19that was not bad. I rearranged it. And the seraphim
- 30:25loved it. They won't stop telling it. They keep
- 30:30telling it over and over and over and over again.
- 30:34They just have so many eyes. Yeah, you're gonna
- 30:41in this here like you're a guy Yeah You're the
- 30:47guy this is the guy there's no wonder bread guy
- 30:50Give you nickname and heaven into wonder bread.
- 30:55That would be awesome. That would be cool. That
- 30:58would be the best So what did you actually do
- 31:02on the earth? Well, I think it's what's because
- 31:07he did a lot the thing is yes He did a lot, but
- 31:10they but he didn't do anything that people wanted
- 31:13him to do Yeah, so true, but he had to have accomplished
- 31:18Stuff on the earth. Yeah, otherwise Like that
- 31:22and that's kind of the fallacy and the thing
- 31:24that we mistake all the time is like, yeah Well,
- 31:26Jesus just needed to be here so that he could
- 31:29die It's like well, no, he did stuff while he
- 31:32was here. Yeah, it wasn't like he just kind of
- 31:34like No, and that stuff was critical. Hey! More
- 31:39fish today! You guys want some fish? Found this
- 31:43kid who got a fish. He only got like ten. I can
- 31:47turn it into five thousand, watch this. I got
- 31:49lunch tomorrow, the day after. Hey, bring your
- 31:54baskets. Yeah, just water's good for me. Nice.
- 31:59I'm fasting. No fish for me today, Jesus. And
- 32:03now, Jesus is like, yeah, dude, don't fast while
- 32:08the groom is here. That's a chardonnay. All right.
- 32:14So anyway. Well, no. So to one thing to address
- 32:20what you just said is like, I think it's easier
- 32:22for us to look at the life of Christ and be like,
- 32:25oh, he just ate fish. Where it's like, oh. His
- 32:30life was to be a sacrifice. Oh, right. That's
- 32:34it. That's what he did. Sorry, I'm just falling
- 32:36over. You're good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He came
- 32:41to be the lamb that was slain. Yeah, which is
- 32:44true. And then I think we look at his life and
- 32:47it's like, I think we oversimplified a lot of
- 32:49times where it's like, oh yeah, he went against
- 32:54what other people expected of him. Right. It's
- 32:57like, oh, he's going to topple the Roman government.
- 32:59It's like, well, he didn't do that. Right. And
- 33:00they're like, well, what did he do? Well, he
- 33:02taught everyone that we should love each other.
- 33:06And these guys are hypocrites. And it's like,
- 33:09that's it? That's all you got from it? Well,
- 33:12and that's why our mistake in doing that and
- 33:16Christians representing Jesus that way creates
- 33:19this, in a naturalist worldview, people are just
- 33:22like, yeah, he was just a guy that said a bunch
- 33:24of really cool stuff that I agree with. And it's
- 33:28like, all right, well, he also died for your
- 33:30sins. Right, yeah. Which, I mean, that is a critical
- 33:34piece. It is. And it's actually, why it's so
- 33:38critical is because what he did during his time
- 33:41on Earth, during his ministry, sets up his death
- 33:45and resurrection. Right. And it's like, oh, what
- 33:48he set up during his ministry actually made that
- 33:52worth it. Yeah, yeah, and also it's like in some
- 33:57ways there were things that he needed to do to
- 34:00prepare for the death. Yes, yeah. Like we even
- 34:03see that with things like Martha pouring out,
- 34:08right? Yeah. Or John the Baptist getting baptized.
- 34:10Yeah. Like there were things that Jesus actually
- 34:12had to do along the way. Yes. One big one is
- 34:16transfiguration. Mm -hmm. Like he had to, that
- 34:20had to happen. Yes. That's a different episode
- 34:24definitely Well, so I I want to kind of I say
- 34:28that and now I'm gonna pull us back a little
- 34:30bit. Okay, cool So one of the things we talked
- 34:33about on our last episode Yeah, was the command
- 34:36be fruitful and multiply. Okay. Yeah and take
- 34:39dominion over the earth. Yeah, so I was curious
- 34:41Yeah, and this is how you know, I mean business
- 34:43cuz I got my legal pad Well covenants are legal
- 34:48binding Oh legally binding legal binding should
- 34:51Checked my spelling. I'm legally bound. I'm legally
- 34:55legally bound to read this So the From my from
- 35:02my counting. Okay. Yeah in the Old Testament
- 35:05We see the command God commanding people to be
- 35:09fruitful and multiply 23 times. Oh cool throughout
- 35:11the Old Testament Michael Jordan. Yeah Yeah,
- 35:15and it's like okay, that's actually Significant
- 35:18that's a lot more than I would have guessed.
- 35:20Yeah for sure like we think of Genesis in the
- 35:23beginning and it's like cool and then like Noah
- 35:25and then like that's it and it's like now actually
- 35:28he said it a lot yeah and I think what's what's
- 35:32interesting about that because it kind of goes
- 35:33to well my mind goes to Adam and Eve right away
- 35:36yes and then after that I'm like I actually couldn't
- 35:40pinpoint anywhere else yeah like even you say
- 35:43Noah and I'm like did it actually say be fruitful
- 35:45and multiply yeah and then go into what we talked
- 35:49about with Abram, Isaac, and then Jacob. He's
- 35:52like, come on, guys. Get it together. Kickstart
- 35:56this whole thing. And we see that through some
- 35:58of the minor prophets and all throughout. Oh,
- 36:01cool. Which is cool. And what's fascinating to
- 36:04me about that is he didn't change his mind. And
- 36:09he's like, no, this is why you're here. He's
- 36:12like, I want you to fill the earth, and I want
- 36:14you to... To rule it to take dominion over it.
- 36:17Yeah, um, because even when we look at it's like
- 36:18so like To answer that question we've talked
- 36:22about in previous episodes. It's like well We're
- 36:24his earthly representatives. We even see that
- 36:27reflected in the ten commandments Which is like
- 36:31don't take the lord your god's name in vain Yeah,
- 36:33and it's like well means like don't say you're
- 36:35his representative I mean i'm excited like more
- 36:39you know, it's like yeah, don't call yourself
- 36:40a christian and then break every command that
- 36:43he told you to follow. Right, yeah. That's taking
- 36:47his name in vain. Yeah. And so it's like, well,
- 36:51he wants his people, God's people, to rule the
- 36:56earth. Because that's why he put us here. Yeah,
- 36:58to be fruitful and to multiply. Yeah. Yeah. To
- 37:01take dominion over the earth. Yeah. Right. And
- 37:04so what's fascinating about that is there's a
- 37:07shift, a slight shift or a slight refocus. In
- 37:11the New Testament. Wait a minute. Mm -hmm. I
- 37:14was about to make a joke of like someone say
- 37:17The our birthright. Mm -hmm. And then I thought
- 37:20about Esau. Yeah Jacob. Yeah Yeah, and how the
- 37:24birthright from Esau the firstborn to Jacob is
- 37:27stolen. Yes, but it's through Jacob Who becomes
- 37:30Israel? Yeah that the birthright of brief be
- 37:35fruitful and multiply through your line and many
- 37:38nations Didn't happen through Esau Yeah. It happened
- 37:42through Jacob. Yeah. Who stole the birthright
- 37:44of the firstborn. It's kind of crazy. It is.
- 37:47It's kind of crazy to think about that. Yeah.
- 37:49Also over and over again through the Bible, it's
- 37:52not the firstborn. Right. Which would be the
- 37:56world tradition. Like the worldly tradition or
- 37:58the pagan tradition or just in general is like
- 38:01the firstborn always got the inheritance. Yeah.
- 38:03It's still that way. Yeah. But in scripture it's
- 38:07almost always Not the first. Not the first. Yeah,
- 38:11and oftentimes it's the youngest. Yeah. Yeah,
- 38:14I mean we see that even with David. Yeah. It's
- 38:17like, oh yeah, he was just he was the youngest
- 38:18one. Right. We'll see with Joseph as well. Yeah,
- 38:23it is funny because like Jesus is called the
- 38:28firstborn of creation. Yeah. But that's a born
- 38:31-again statement. So the his glorified body the
- 38:37resurrection yeah firstborn of creation so but
- 38:41he's also the second Adam yeah right the second
- 38:46Noah he's the second someone else David wait
- 38:55we just said the name yeah yeah so he's he's
- 39:01the second one my firstborn of creation. It's
- 39:04like, it's just a funny, it's like everything
- 39:07that you think it would need to be, it's the
- 39:09other. And that's one of those things that I
- 39:12love about scripture, because it's like, it's
- 39:14some of those small things right there, where
- 39:16it's like, okay, so, you know, who was the first
- 39:20to be given dominion of the earth? It's like,
- 39:23well, it was humans. It was mankind. And then
- 39:27what happened is like, well, we messed it up,
- 39:30so someone else had to take it to do it right.
- 39:33And it's like, well that's what we see with Esau,
- 39:34he messed it up. And then it was through Jacob
- 39:38that command lived through. And it's like, that's
- 39:43awesome, actually. So 23 times in the Old Testament?
- 39:45Yeah, so in the New Testament, we don't see that,
- 39:49there's a shift, so it shifts from like a physical.
- 39:52Okay. To a spiritual. And I think that's actually
- 39:54really, really significant. Yeah. But in the
- 39:56New Testament, we see that equivalent phrase
- 39:5814 times. Okay. So it's like, okay, so we're
- 40:01looking at a total of, you know, 37 times. And
- 40:05it's like, okay, so I feel like that means something.
- 40:08Right. Because he says it not one time. Yeah.
- 40:12That's kind of cool, though, in the sense that
- 40:15you see a clear shift from Old Testament to New
- 40:17Testament. Yeah. Yeah. Where it moves from the
- 40:21natural space. Yeah. To the spiritual space.
- 40:25Yeah. So, I mean, that kind of sets a lot of
- 40:28things up. Absolutely. Right? And it's like to
- 40:31just answer it here, in short, there is the biological
- 40:39birthright that mankind was given. Right. And
- 40:42then they gave it away. Yeah. or we gave it away.
- 40:46Yeah. I'm part of mankind. That's true. And it's
- 40:50like, yeah, we gave it away. Yeah. And then Christ
- 40:53said, well, I want, Jesus said, I want my people.
- 40:56Yeah. God said, I want my people. Yeah. But in
- 40:59the New Testament, we see that shifting from
- 41:01his people isn't just like a physical thing,
- 41:04but it's like, okay, who are his followers? He
- 41:05chooses to follow him. Right. And it's like,
- 41:08yeah, and it's not bound to Israel. Yeah, where
- 41:11they live. Yeah. it's spread out to who is a
- 41:16follower of me. Yeah, that's a beautiful shift
- 41:21to see it that way. And it's one of those to
- 41:25get kinda to the end quick and then I'm gonna
- 41:27jump back out again. And that wouldn't be possible
- 41:31without Christ's death and resurrection. Right,
- 41:34exactly. Yeah, to make that shift from... Physical
- 41:39to spiritual. Yeah, because the thing is is like
- 41:42we were like the the earth God creates the earth
- 41:46not for the intent of Destroying it Like he doesn't
- 41:51create the earth to then go. All right cool.
- 41:54You guys have been here long enough I'm just
- 41:56gonna destroy it now. Yeah, like the whole point
- 41:58was that it was it was created for Jesus by him
- 42:03and through him. Yeah, and then we were given
- 42:06the assignment as part of creation from the earth
- 42:11to be fruitful and multiply and steward one of
- 42:17God's creations, which was the earth. And then
- 42:22we didn't do that. So then God in his infinite
- 42:27grace said, okay, well, I don't want you to be
- 42:30destroyed along with the earth. So I'm gonna
- 42:33find a way to redeem you. And I'm gonna do that
- 42:36through Jesus. who will then give you resurrection
- 42:42and life. So when the earth passes away, your
- 42:46dust that is part of the earth will pass away.
- 42:49But you will not. You will remain with me. Which
- 42:54is kind of cool. Because that's not what was
- 43:00supposed to happen. And then it did. So God made
- 43:04a way for us to continue. even though what we
- 43:08were created for is corrupted, he still decided
- 43:13to save us from the corruption. Because in reality,
- 43:17we are just dust from the earth. Absolutely.
- 43:21So the fact that God has value in that the dust
- 43:25of the earth was corrupted, let me save humanity
- 43:29and then destroy the earth, make a new earth.
- 43:35in new heavens in order for them to do it the
- 43:39proper way. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that is because
- 43:42of the status that he gave us of being in the
- 43:46image of God. Right. And it's like, well, yeah,
- 43:49and we can talk a lot about this, but it's like,
- 43:52yeah, so we're not the only ones that are God's
- 43:55representatives. Right. There were others, too.
- 43:57There are others that are supposed to be. Yeah.
- 44:00And they messed it up, too. They did. I mean,
- 44:04we talk about Deuteronomy 32 all the time, and
- 44:06that's what I'm talking about here. It's like,
- 44:08yeah, there are his earthly representatives,
- 44:11which is what we're supposed to be, and there
- 44:13is heavenly representatives that go out and do
- 44:16whatever they do. And some of them, he said,
- 44:19yeah, I need you to help take care of these guys,
- 44:21because they're not doing great. And they messed
- 44:25it up too, and then brought us along with them.
- 44:28So it's like, everyone's just messing up. Come
- 44:32on, guys, get it right. But yes, there's that
- 44:35value because of the status that we've been given.
- 44:40Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is cool. Tell me about
- 44:43Jesus. Yeah. So, and this is not a new thing
- 44:47to say, but like when we parallel the life of
- 44:51Jesus with the history of Israel, we do see that
- 44:56like in every place that Israel failed, Jesus
- 44:59succeeded. I mean, some of the easy ones to look
- 45:03at are like the wilderness, where it's like,
- 45:06okay, so here are the Israelites, 40 years in
- 45:08the wilderness, and they're complaining, they're
- 45:13worshiping golden calves, and it's like everything
- 45:17but following the Lord. And then we see Jesus,
- 45:20who is 40 days in the wilderness. who succeeds
- 45:24through temptation and being faithful to Yahweh
- 45:28throughout the whole time. Yeah, and temptations
- 45:31that mirror what was going on in the wilderness
- 45:34for 40 years. Yes. Things like water from the
- 45:37rock or manna from heaven. Yeah. And then angels
- 45:43to guard around them. Yes. Go around him. Yeah.
- 45:46There's all that. Which there's amazing parallels
- 45:48inside, even inside of all that to jump into.
- 45:51Yeah. So I think that's cool. But overall, when
- 45:54we look at it, it's like, okay, so what all did
- 45:57Jesus do as far as just big hits? Yeah, I mean,
- 46:02what did he even do while he was here? What did
- 46:03he even do? What did he even do? So, like we
- 46:07just talked about, it's like, well, he conquered
- 46:08temptation to sin. Because we see that throughout
- 46:12his life, he never gave in to sin. Yeah. And
- 46:16I mean, that's an important thing, too, even
- 46:17with that. It's like... It's like, well, he's
- 46:19Jesus. He wasn't actually, it's like, well, temptation
- 46:21means that it's something you want to do that
- 46:24you shouldn't do. So it's like, otherwise it
- 46:27wouldn't be a temptation. If I don't want to
- 46:29do that thing, it's not a temptation. Yeah. And
- 46:33I want to say it's like Philippians too, but
- 46:37that he emptied himself to the point of death,
- 46:39even death on a cross. So it's the idea that
- 46:42like, that Jesus was so human. as he emptied
- 46:48himself, he did everything and humbled himself,
- 46:53became a servant. Even to the point of death,
- 46:58death on a cross. So it's like going through
- 47:01all of the physical pain and the shame and the
- 47:04hurt and all the things that we would feel and
- 47:07experience and the things that our physical punishment
- 47:11and judgment upon humanity for the things that
- 47:16they've done. He took all that and experienced
- 47:20it. Even inside of that, that's one where he
- 47:25says himself, he's like, I don't want to do this.
- 47:27He's like, can I not do this? Yeah, well, you
- 47:30take this cup from me. But instead, in light
- 47:33of that, in the face of that, he still is like,
- 47:35no, this is what I have to do, though. He very
- 47:38well could have just ran away. It's true. So
- 47:42it's like, OK, so he did that. There's I'll call
- 47:48it social stigma. Okay, as far as like yeah,
- 47:52he broke some of the Cultural traditions and
- 47:56gender norms. Okay in as far as like oh, I'm
- 48:00going to Heal somebody on the Sabbath. Oh, I'm
- 48:03gonna talk to you this woman at a well I was
- 48:07gonna say yeah, I know I was like, it's kind
- 48:10of a it's a potentially charged norms. Yeah Hey,
- 48:15did you know that Jesus broke gender norms? Pretty
- 48:18cool. Call me Jessica. You know what he did when
- 48:22he broke gender norms? He talked to a woman Which
- 48:28is horrifying to many men many men Yeah, that
- 48:36is crazy but not just yeah Yeah, but not just
- 48:40a woman right, but instead a woman like he He
- 48:45showed grace for a woman caught in the act of
- 48:49adultery. He spoke to a woman at the well of
- 48:52Jacob. And she was on her seventh husband. But
- 49:00they weren't married yet, so seventh boyfriend.
- 49:07And she was a Samaritan, which was not. It's
- 49:13a big no no. They weren't pure Israelites. Yes.
- 49:18Because of the Babylonian and Assyrian occupation
- 49:23of that region. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's
- 49:28like we seem like essentially just breaking down
- 49:31some of these boundaries. Yeah. Yeah. So like
- 49:36that's a big one that we see. Yeah. you know
- 49:39he liked to call out the Pharisees for their
- 49:42hypocrisy. He did. Like these are these are the
- 49:44things we love to talk about because they're
- 49:45right in front of our face. And one of them that
- 49:50I think is probably like a still in line of what
- 49:54people talk about was probably like more on the
- 49:56outer edge of it. But it's like the way he talked
- 49:59about death is he kind of removed some of that
- 50:01fear of it. I mean because even when we look
- 50:03in the Psalms. Okay. especially the Psalms of
- 50:06David where he talks about going down to Sheol.
- 50:07He's like, don't make me go there. Yeah, yeah,
- 50:10yeah. And I mean, it's fascinating on one hand
- 50:13because, and we've talked about this on other
- 50:15episodes, it's like, yeah, humans weren't meant
- 50:18to be there. Right, it wasn't made for us. And
- 50:20we see in Jesus, in Matthew, I believe it's Matthew,
- 50:24where he talks about, he's like, yeah, hell's
- 50:26made for the devil and his angels. Yeah, which
- 50:28is important because Matthew is written specifically
- 50:30to a Jewish audience. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's
- 50:35true. And so it's like the way he talks about
- 50:37it, even in some of the stories that he tells,
- 50:40it's like, yeah, he kind of reframes it. And
- 50:45it's against how people thought about it. But
- 50:50the big one that I think is the biggest power
- 50:53move and the biggest thing that Jesus conquered
- 50:55was a spiritual battle, which is why we see that
- 50:58shift. And it's like, okay, so who is he really
- 51:02waging war on? It's like, well, yeah, he was
- 51:05showing up to humans and being like, yeah, you
- 51:08guys missed it. Right. Like, and that's, that's
- 51:10the stuff that we love to talk about because
- 51:11it's, it's for us and it's in front of our face.
- 51:15Yeah. But it's like, okay, but what else did
- 51:17he do? It's like, well, he exercised authority
- 51:19over other gods and demons. Yeah. And it's like,
- 51:24oh, that's huge. Yeah. Even when we look at it,
- 51:26it's like, it was, it was a massive deal that
- 51:28he cast out demons. Yeah, it was. And we've learned
- 51:32because of the Dead Sea Scrolls where we see
- 51:35Psalm 91. It was like an exorcism psalm. And
- 51:39so it's like, okay, so these things were like
- 51:42within tradition, but the fact that Jesus is
- 51:45like, yeah, I'm doing this. Right. And I'm not
- 51:48doing it the way that you guys thought it was
- 51:49supposed to be done. Right. And one of the ways
- 51:52he did that was he would declare people cleansed.
- 51:56Yeah. or that they had received salvation. Yes.
- 52:00Not just you have a demon cast out of you, but
- 52:04your sins are forgiven. Yeah. Which only Yahweh
- 52:07could do. Right. And it's like that's some big
- 52:11boy authority you're taking on there. For sure.
- 52:13It's blasphemous. Yeah. Like to the Jews that
- 52:17was blasphemous. Absolutely. Because you would
- 52:19be saying you are Yahweh. And he was saying that.
- 52:23He's like, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
- 52:25That's what I'm doing, dude. Ding, ding, ding.
- 52:30I'm here. Eat some eat. Here's some fish. So
- 52:36I think that's one of the interesting things
- 52:39that we see is because there's this period of
- 52:43time where in the Old Testament, we see this
- 52:49through line. of these other gods exercising
- 52:54authority over nations. And so at this point,
- 53:00when Jesus enters, it's like pretty rampant.
- 53:03And it's been kind of like consolidated. And
- 53:06we actually see that throughout the Old Testament
- 53:08as it builds. I mean, Deuteronomy 32 is kind
- 53:13of the setup to that. And then even we see in
- 53:15Psalm 82, where we see them the psalmist rebuking
- 53:23these other gods for how badly they're ruling
- 53:25other nations. And he's like, you guys aren't
- 53:28doing good. Like, you're wicked. It's what you
- 53:30are. And then in Judges and then in Daniel, we
- 53:33see these same stories where it's like, yeah,
- 53:35these figures have authority and they're abusing
- 53:38their power. They're going against the command
- 53:41that Yahweh gave them. And so here we are in
- 53:45Rome, or in the Roman Empire. That's more appropriate
- 53:49to say. Which is very known for its paganism.
- 53:52Yeah, it's like it's it's pretty big deal. Yeah,
- 53:55and so there's these very solidified Other god
- 54:01authorities right to the point where it's like
- 54:04it's probably not weird for a lot of people Yeah,
- 54:08true, you know, it's like this just that's just
- 54:10what's going on. Also. They are in the land of
- 54:13Canaan. Yes and in the land of Canaan there are
- 54:18regions around the area and then also people
- 54:21who were allowed to stay that were not intended
- 54:27to stay. And so you have these regions particularly
- 54:32around Jerusalem that have remained pagan worship,
- 54:41but in the tradition of the Canaanites. that
- 54:48is highly problematic. Yes. Yes it is. Yeah.
- 54:54And so, I mean, the big thing with that is, and
- 54:59we see this, I think it's in First Kings, where
- 55:03there was a foreign soldier that came and received
- 55:06healing. Okay. I can't remember the guy's name
- 55:08right now. And so when he was healed, he was
- 55:12like, oh, I see the power of Yahweh. And so he's
- 55:16like, yeah, I wanna take some dirt to bring it
- 55:19back to where I live so I can worship Yahweh
- 55:21on his soil. Because he understands that there
- 55:25are these cosmic boundaries. And when he's in
- 55:29his land, I mean, we see even David talk about
- 55:32this when he's fleeing from Saul. He longs to
- 55:35be... Yeah, and he's like, don't push me outside
- 55:36the boundary. and it's like because if you're
- 55:39in these other territories it's like well you're
- 55:41under the ruling of another god yeah and and
- 55:44so even the the soldier when he's like let me
- 55:46take this dirt he's like and when i'm in this
- 55:49land and i've got to serve my master yeah the
- 55:52king he's like i'm gonna have to worship this
- 55:55other god with him right but i don't mean it
- 55:58he's like don't hold it against me yeah he's
- 56:00like i just don't want to die yeah um yeah so
- 56:04it's like it's a real struggle yeah and these
- 56:06things are building up and it's it's It's very
- 56:09normal. Right. Yeah, because there's a spiritual
- 56:12boundary. Like even in the Old Testament, they're
- 56:14acknowledging this spiritual boundary where Yahweh
- 56:17says, this is my land, this is my inheritance.
- 56:21But then as the Israelites continue to be disobedient
- 56:27to the Word of God, He kicks them out of the
- 56:30land. Yeah, absolutely. He pushes them out of
- 56:33the promised space because they're breaking covenant
- 56:36with Him. Yeah. And so they're being bad representatives
- 56:39of His name. And so then they don't get to reap
- 56:43the blessing and the benefits of what Yahweh
- 56:48has to offer for them. And so that's where that
- 56:53gets corrupted more and more over time. And that's
- 56:56where when Jesus steps in, He's reclaiming the
- 57:03spiritual boundary. And I think what's cool about
- 57:06that is where he starts. It's like, oh, he's
- 57:09in the promised land. And so it's like, oh, it's
- 57:13actually, and that's part of the ministries we
- 57:15see from the apostles. It's like, no, we'll start
- 57:18here. And then we spread out to be fruitful and
- 57:21multiply. And so it's like, okay, so Jesus is
- 57:25in his land that Yahweh chose to be his back
- 57:31in Deuteronomy. Yeah, born in the city of David,
- 57:33Bethlehem. and he's and so like back then in
- 57:37Deuteronomy 32 we see Yahweh say like yeah this
- 57:40is my my land right for my people yes and so
- 57:44Jesus is born into that land yes which has been
- 57:47given over to other people other gods that have
- 57:49taken taken rulership over that he's like no
- 57:52no i'm going to reclaim this yeah um but it's
- 57:55cool because of how he does it um and it's it's
- 57:59because and this is this is the interesting thing
- 58:01is because The people then, they're still looking
- 58:04at these physical boundaries, and they're thinking,
- 58:07oh, we're gonna go back to how it was. But Jesus
- 58:10is saying, no, no, no, we're not doing that anymore,
- 58:12because that wasn't working. And also, that's
- 58:15not even what I want. We see that in the prophets,
- 58:18in Isaiah, and he's just like, yeah, that's not
- 58:20what's gonna end up happening. We're taking the
- 58:22whole thing back. And by the whole thing, not
- 58:26the land of Israel, but the whole earth. The
- 58:29whole earth. Yeah, trying to go back to where
- 58:34we're supposed to be. Yes. He's like, let's bring
- 58:36it all the way back. The whole earth is filled.
- 58:39Do you know that song? No, I don't think I know
- 58:41that. What is that? I don't know. Maybe Darlene
- 58:44Check. We'll see. I like it. Let me know in the
- 58:47comments. When we get flagged for it, we'll know.
- 58:50I don't know if that was the original key. Probably
- 58:55wasn't. but yeah that's cool yeah so the spiritual
- 58:57boundaries yeah so we see how and it's cool how
- 59:01Jesus signifies it and I think one of the biggest
- 59:04moves outside of the miracles that he was performing
- 59:07yes and the exorcisms that he was doing yes and
- 59:10it's like and because they recognized his authority
- 59:13yes they're like what are you doing here it's
- 59:15not your time yet yeah yeah like you're not supposed
- 59:17to be here um right but I think one of the big
- 59:21pivotal moments is his entry into Jerusalem Because
- 59:25that also tips off the the whole path that we
- 59:29see to his crucifixion And because it's like
- 59:32kind of made him mad. Yeah, and so it's not It
- 59:37shouldn't be shocking to anyone and it wasn't
- 59:39to them That's why they said Hosanna right of
- 59:41even how Jesus entered Jerusalem. Yeah, cuz that's
- 59:44what was prophesied Yeah, but it's also more
- 59:47than just that also didn't Judas Maccabee Come
- 59:51in on a donkey Oh, did he? I think he did. I
- 59:55actually don't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which
- 59:57wouldn't be surprising. Yeah, that wouldn't be
- 59:59surprising. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so because what's
- 1:00:04interesting because this even parallels back
- 1:00:07to first kings with Solomon's coronation. Yes.
- 1:00:12Because David said, hey, take my mule and ride
- 1:00:15it throughout the city and people will declare
- 1:00:18like, oh, you're the king. Yes. You're the you're
- 1:00:20the legitimate king. Yeah, yeah. And so a mule,
- 1:00:24a donkey, a colt, it's a young donkey. It's like
- 1:00:29they weren't this lowly animal. It wasn't just
- 1:00:32like, oh, this is some cheap transportation.
- 1:00:35It's like, no, these were like royal steeds.
- 1:00:38So when Jesus walks in, he's not signaling, I'm
- 1:00:41humble. He's signaling, no, I'm a king. And so
- 1:00:44when the people see that, that's why - And the
- 1:00:46tradition of David. Yes. And Solomon, yeah. So
- 1:00:48when the people see that, they know who Jesus
- 1:00:50is. They've heard about him. They're like, oh,
- 1:00:52now he's doing this? Right. Like, okay, like,
- 1:00:55Hoseanna, this is him. Yeah. But they're still
- 1:00:58in the mindset of the Israelite nation. Yes.
- 1:01:02And not what Jesus has been saying he's gonna
- 1:01:04do the whole time. Yeah. And this is definitely
- 1:01:08another episode, but - Yeah. just to briefly
- 1:01:11hit, because you kind of hit on it, but I want
- 1:01:13to stop there for a second and say, okay, Jesus,
- 1:01:18one, Jesus didn't just run into random people
- 1:01:22at random times and be like, okay, just get like,
- 1:01:28just be healed, get out of my way. If you pay
- 1:01:31attention, he's going to very specific areas
- 1:01:35in the land of Israel that are boundaries and
- 1:01:40their locations that are ruled by other gods
- 1:01:44and other spiritual spaces that have invaded
- 1:01:46the space of Yahweh. And what he's doing is when
- 1:01:50he specifically goes to anywhere and casts out
- 1:01:59demons. He's taking spiritual authority back
- 1:02:02in that space. So he's not saying this land is
- 1:02:06actually ours. He's saying, no, no, no. You've
- 1:02:09invaded a spiritual boundary and I'm saying,
- 1:02:12hey, I'm back. Like get out. Get out of here.
- 1:02:18And he's taking back spiritual boundaries that
- 1:02:21have been invaded from the outside in, in those
- 1:02:25spaces. So when he's doing that, it's a militant
- 1:02:29move. But it is only militant in the spiritual
- 1:02:32space. Absolutely. It's not in the physical space.
- 1:02:35I mean, we see the reflections of that in the
- 1:02:39natural. You see things start to clean up. Yeah.
- 1:02:42But even Jesus himself said, I came for the lost
- 1:02:45sheep of Israel. Yes. Right. Yeah. And that's
- 1:02:48what we see. It's like when he's casting those
- 1:02:51out and he's signaling what he's signaling, he's
- 1:02:54basically saying, like, I'm going to remove their
- 1:02:55influence from this boundary. Right. I'm calling
- 1:03:00you guys out on all your hypocrisy. Yeah in the
- 1:03:03fact that you totally missed the point, right?
- 1:03:05So that we that way you can start to see what
- 1:03:07I'm actually trying to do here. Yes. It's like
- 1:03:10yeah, he wasn't They were so caught up in the
- 1:03:13I mean they some of the questions they asked
- 1:03:16him It's like those are debates they had for
- 1:03:17centuries. Yeah in the debates. Sometimes we
- 1:03:19still have to this day Yeah, but it's like they're
- 1:03:22trying to get him trapped in this like more intellectual
- 1:03:28debate, which isn't unimportant, but he's saying
- 1:03:31like, yeah, that's not what my ministry's about.
- 1:03:34My ministry is a spiritual military move. So
- 1:03:37even going back to the cult, it was unique also
- 1:03:41that it was a young donkey was a cult, because
- 1:03:45that signifies new kingship. And so he's like,
- 1:03:50I'm coming in and I'm telling you that I'm the
- 1:03:53king. And I'm also the new guy in town. Like,
- 1:03:56this is new. This is happening. And so like,
- 1:04:01so what did Jesus accomplish? It's like, well,
- 1:04:03that's one of the biggest things that he accomplished.
- 1:04:06But what's fascinating about that, and this is
- 1:04:08why I think it's so important that he did those
- 1:04:11things before his crucifixion. And also, I mean,
- 1:04:15that was part of why they crucified him. They're
- 1:04:17like, oh man, he's trying to do some stuff. And
- 1:04:20he is doing things. That's the other thing. It
- 1:04:22wasn't like he's talking about it. He's actively
- 1:04:24casting these things out. So they're like, we
- 1:04:27need to get rid of him. But what's interesting
- 1:04:30about it is he didn't, and this is gonna sound
- 1:04:33really touchy for some people potentially, so
- 1:04:36hear me out, is when Jesus was doing his ministry
- 1:04:41on earth before his death and resurrection, He
- 1:04:45was not worthy to retake the earth. Because we
- 1:04:49see that echoed in Revelation, where it's like,
- 1:04:52no one is worthy to open the scroll. But then
- 1:04:55Jesus shows up, who had been slain and resurrected.
- 1:05:01And he's like, oh no, I'm worthy to open the
- 1:05:04scroll. Why is he worthy? It's like, well, it's
- 1:05:06because of his death and resurrection. Before
- 1:05:09that, he wasn't worthy to open the scroll. Because
- 1:05:12he was not... Preeminent over all things but
- 1:05:16after his resurrection we see this in Is it Colossians
- 1:05:21or is it Corinthians it might be first Corinthians?
- 1:05:27It says that he's preeminent over all things
- 1:05:30including death I think it'd be more Colossians,
- 1:05:33but yeah, I think it might be Colossians Yeah,
- 1:05:35but it's like that's that's an important thing
- 1:05:37though. It's he's the firstborn among the dead,
- 1:05:40right? And it's like yeah before that he wasn't
- 1:05:42He wasn't preeminent over everything. Right.
- 1:05:45But after his resurrection, he was. Well, and
- 1:05:48even the temptation of the devil. Yeah. In the
- 1:05:52wilderness saying, hey, you can have all of this.
- 1:05:55Yeah. He's not saying like you can be the king.
- 1:05:59He's saying the spiritual authority that you're
- 1:06:02about to come disrupt. Yeah. I actually can give
- 1:06:05it to you because I've already invaded that space.
- 1:06:07Yeah. And Jesus is like, no. I'm gonna take what's
- 1:06:11rightfully mine. And it made me, also what you
- 1:06:14were saying made me think about the fact that
- 1:06:16like the Jewish Sanhedrin, so the council of
- 1:06:21the priests and the rabbis that are together
- 1:06:27in that space that actually accuse Jesus, because,
- 1:06:31and the way that they accuse him is like, they're
- 1:06:33like, hey, Caesar, he's trying to take your throne.
- 1:06:37And Caesar's like, He doesn't seem like much
- 1:06:40of a threat to me. And they're like, no, he's
- 1:06:43trying to take your throne. He's saying things
- 1:06:45of a false Caesar. And he's like, I don't think
- 1:06:50that's what's going on here. And they're like,
- 1:06:52no, we don't want a king other than Caesar, right?
- 1:06:56And Jesus is like, okay, you guys said this before.
- 1:07:03You guys said this way back in the day before
- 1:07:07Saul. Yeah. I'm your king. Yeah. And you wanted
- 1:07:13a king like every other nation. Yeah. And so
- 1:07:16I gave you Saul. And now I'm here again and you
- 1:07:20still don't want me as king. Yeah. And what does
- 1:07:23Caesar do? He writes King of the Jews. Yeah.
- 1:07:28Yeah. Right. Yeah. Which is like, whoa. So he
- 1:07:33recognizes the spiritual space and writes King
- 1:07:37of the Jews above, and they said, they're like,
- 1:07:41no, no, no, no, no, he's not our king. And he's
- 1:07:44like, no, King of the Jews, the original what
- 1:07:49Yahweh was in that space, which is beautiful.
- 1:07:53And he doesn't say like, after all of that, he
- 1:07:57doesn't say like, all right, and then, And then
- 1:08:01now, since you're my disciples, I've been resurrected
- 1:08:04and I can come in and out of walls, which is
- 1:08:07pretty cool. We should talk about that. That's
- 1:08:09actually a whole episode right there. It is,
- 1:08:11yeah. It's like, now that I can do all that,
- 1:08:15he's not like, all right, now go in and take
- 1:08:18Caesar's spot. No, what he says is go into the
- 1:08:23earth, go into all the earth, and proclaim the
- 1:08:27good news. that you don't have to be afraid of
- 1:08:31the spirits of the air anymore. Because we are
- 1:08:35now ruling and reigning. And you'll take those
- 1:08:38spaces in my name and you'll go where I haven't
- 1:08:43gone. You'll take me there. That's the whole,
- 1:08:47like, you'll do greater things than I've done.
- 1:08:49Well, in what way? Well, he came for the lost
- 1:08:52sheep of Israel. The whole point was to retake.
- 1:08:55what Yahweh said was his in the spiritual space.
- 1:08:59And then what happened, his spirit gets poured
- 1:09:02out on the earth, and he goes, hey, by the way,
- 1:09:07what I was coming to take back wasn't just this
- 1:09:10one region, it was the whole thing. I'm reversing
- 1:09:14Deuteronomy 32. It's this, now I'm taking over
- 1:09:18the whole earth, and how does he do that? Through
- 1:09:21the church. by the Spirit. Yeah. So it's no longer
- 1:09:25about Israel anymore. So what land is sacred?
- 1:09:29The whole earth. The whole earth is. Yeah. So
- 1:09:32Jesus is not like, it's not about that. It's
- 1:09:36the whole earth. I mean, it's interesting because
- 1:09:40even if you look at the kingdom of Solomon, which
- 1:09:42was very vast. Yeah, yeah. Physically. Yes. Yes.
- 1:09:47And then we see how the spiritual influence overtook
- 1:09:51him. Yes. And brought Israel to where now they're
- 1:09:54being ruled by the Roman Empire. Yeah. Through
- 1:09:56a lot of things happening. Yeah, he opened the
- 1:09:59door. Yeah. For everything. Yes. Like literally
- 1:10:02everything. It was a pretty big downfall. Yes.
- 1:10:05It was just very slippery slope down. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:10:07And then we see kind of an echo of that through
- 1:10:11Jesus, who's like, OK, we're going to do that,
- 1:10:14but we're going to do it in a spiritual way.
- 1:10:15Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even the point when they
- 1:10:19try to call him out, it's like, well, who do
- 1:10:22we pay our taxes to? Oh, right. He's like, look,
- 1:10:26I don't care. Give to Caesar what's his. And
- 1:10:29he was like, guys, I've been talking about fish
- 1:10:31this whole time. I'm really hungry. Go get the
- 1:10:33fish. Look, open the fish's mouth, and what's
- 1:10:36in the fish's mouth is a coin. It's some money.
- 1:10:38And what's on the coin? It's Caesar's face. Give
- 1:10:41him back his coin. Now, give him his coin. Give
- 1:10:42me the fish. What the fish? That's my symbol
- 1:10:47by the way. You will write it on your door post.
- 1:10:59You will create mosaics on the ground in your
- 1:11:01churches. It'll be really cool. You will make
- 1:11:03stickers and put them on the back of your car.
- 1:11:06What's a car? You'll find out. Oh, give it time.
- 1:11:09Actually, you won't find out. You will be long
- 1:11:11dead. Don't write that down. But yeah, so I guess
- 1:11:16to answer the question, which I think is cool,
- 1:11:19like, so what did Jesus even do when he was here?
- 1:11:21It's like, yeah, we do see where he invades those
- 1:11:24physical spaces, and he addresses the temple,
- 1:11:28the church at the time, the followers of Yahweh,
- 1:11:33and he's like, guys, no, no, no, no, no. And
- 1:11:38then he showed them, like, no, this is what I'm
- 1:11:41doing, because this is what I've been talking
- 1:11:43about the whole time. And they still missed it.
- 1:11:47Yeah. So he goes through while he's there and
- 1:11:50reclaims the spiritual ground that was rightfully
- 1:11:55Yahweh's back in Deuteronomy 32. Which is cool,
- 1:11:59because when you look at that, it's like, well,
- 1:12:01Deuteronomy 32, God claims the land of Israel.
- 1:12:05Yeah. And so Jesus does retake in a spiritual
- 1:12:09way, the boundaries of Israel. But then because
- 1:12:12of his resurrection, he's like, now we can take
- 1:12:14the rest of it. Because that portion was already
- 1:12:18his. There were just some other invaders occupying
- 1:12:20it. He's like, no, no, no, you don't belong here.
- 1:12:23This actually belongs to me. And now yours belongs
- 1:12:25to me too. Which is why you kind of see it's
- 1:12:29like, did Pentecost have to happen? Yes, the
- 1:12:32spirit of God had to be poured on the earth so
- 1:12:35that each one could be... filled with the spirit
- 1:12:38in order to speak and proclaim the gospel with
- 1:12:40boldness. But the apostles already had that ability
- 1:12:46by Jesus' authority pre -Pentecost. So it already
- 1:12:53started with Jesus after the resurrection. The
- 1:12:57spirit of God on the day of Pentecost being put
- 1:12:59on the earth allowed it to happen outside of
- 1:13:02just the apostles. and spread into the church.
- 1:13:06And then that would spread across the whole earth.
- 1:13:09Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. I really liked it.
- 1:13:12It was a fun. Can I finish with a thought that
- 1:13:14like? No. OK. What's your thought? Three. And
- 1:13:20I don't think you see this coming, but I feel
- 1:13:22like this is actually like kind of a cool way
- 1:13:24to think about this. Yeah. So in John two, John,
- 1:13:29the synoptic gospel, chapter two. I don't know
- 1:13:33why I had to say synoptic gospel. It says, on
- 1:13:35the third day there was a wedding at Cana in
- 1:13:38Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus
- 1:13:41also was invited to the wedding with his disciples.
- 1:13:44When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said
- 1:13:47to him, they have no wine. And Jesus said to
- 1:13:49her, woman, what does this have to do with me?
- 1:13:53My hour has not yet come. His mother said to
- 1:13:56the servants, do whatever he tells you. Now,
- 1:14:01there were six stone water jars there for the
- 1:14:04Jewish rites of purification, each holding 20
- 1:14:08or 30 gallons. Jesus said to the servants, fill
- 1:14:11the jars with water. So the water was for the
- 1:14:17purification rites of the Jews. Jesus says to
- 1:14:23the servants, fill the jars with water. So the
- 1:14:26wine jars, fill it with the purification water
- 1:14:29for the Jews. and they filled them up to the
- 1:14:31brim and he said to them, now draw some out and
- 1:14:34take it to the master of the feast. So they took
- 1:14:36it. When the master of the feast tasted the water,
- 1:14:39now had become wine and did not know where it
- 1:14:42came from, though the servants who had drawn
- 1:14:44the water knew. The master of the feast called
- 1:14:46the bridegroom and said to him, everyone serves
- 1:14:49the the good wine first, and when people have
- 1:14:52drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have
- 1:14:54kept the good wine until now. This is the first
- 1:14:57of his signs. Jesus did at Cana in Galilee and
- 1:15:02manifested his glory and his disciples believed
- 1:15:05in him. He was not the first wine, he was the
- 1:15:09second. He wasn't the first Adam, he was the
- 1:15:15second. And what was the water? It was purification
- 1:15:19water meant to purify the Jewish rights. And
- 1:15:24he took that water and turned it into wine, the
- 1:15:27better wine for the wedding ceremony. And what
- 1:15:33do the Pharisees say to Jesus? They say, hey,
- 1:15:39how come your disciples don't fast? and pray
- 1:15:45and fast and withhold from drink the way that
- 1:15:51John the Baptist do. How come they don't do that?
- 1:15:55And Jesus' response is, well if the groom's at
- 1:15:58the party, it's time to drink wine. Yeah. So
- 1:16:05he's like, I don't think you understand who I
- 1:16:08am. You haven't figured it out yet. I'm kind
- 1:16:10of a big deal. The groom's here, we drink. We
- 1:16:15have the best wine. We partake in that because
- 1:16:19we're celebrating right now because I'm here.
- 1:16:22Once I leave, then you can fast. While I'm here,
- 1:16:27we're celebrating. I like that. That's cool.
- 1:16:30Because it's the second Adam's first arrival.
- 1:16:36And then he will one day come back in glory.
- 1:16:42That's cool. And that's his first miracle. I
- 1:16:43like that. That's the first way, and then it
- 1:16:46says, and his disciples believed in him. But
- 1:16:49that also happened where? It happened at Cana
- 1:16:52in Galilee, which is a pretty important spot.
- 1:16:57That's important. The land of Canaan. The Sea
- 1:17:01of Galilee. I think we know. You know. So what
- 1:17:09did Jesus even do while he was on the earth?
- 1:17:11He took it back. Three, two, one.