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Credlin | 16 December · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But Eve being welcome to the program. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight on Kredline. Well, the pressures mounting on Labor
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  Speaker 2: rightly so over their lack of action on anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Burk and just sent to Alan both copying it
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  Speaker 2: from angry mourners and the Prime Minister all over the shop.
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  Speaker 2: When question today in a press conference about Julian Siegel's report,
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you that shortly, Desperate to avoid the criticism,
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  Speaker 2: Labour's trying to make this all about gun law reform.
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  Speaker 2: Now granted the valid concerns here, but as important as
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  Speaker 2: that is so to the elephant in the room, radical Islam,
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  Speaker 2: and the national debate too that we must have on immigration.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty will join me.
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  Speaker 2: Plus the younger of the Bondai terrast suspects with links
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  Speaker 2: to Islamic state and surprise, surprise, one of the Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: Radical Muslim clerics too. The more we.
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  Speaker 2: Learn, the more the worn signs were there that our
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  Speaker 2: authorities appear to have missed. Plus official confirmation of explosive
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  Speaker 2: devices at the scene and two black homemade flags of
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  Speaker 2: Islamic state.
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  Speaker 4: A vehicle which is registered to the younger male contained IEDs,
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  Speaker 4: but I also confirm that it contained two homemade Isis flags.
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  Speaker 5: Early indications point to a terrorist attack inspired by Islamic State.
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  Speaker 3: The first.
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  Speaker 2: It's becoming pretty clear, isn't it? As to how the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister intends to respond to the massacre of Jews
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  Speaker 2: at Bondai. He wants to make Sunday's atrocity all about
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  Speaker 2: too many guns rather than too much due hatred about
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  Speaker 2: the guns themselves, rather than the antisemitic evil that motivated
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  Speaker 2: the men who fired them. And in doing so, he
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  Speaker 2: would hope he'll get away without taking any responsibility at
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  Speaker 2: all for his role as our national leader for allowing
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  Speaker 2: this hatred to all but go unchecked, because it is
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  Speaker 2: his failure to show leadership that's allowed hate filled words
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  Speaker 2: to metastasize into gunshots. Because making it about gun control alone,
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  Speaker 2: he thinks will get him off the hook.
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  Speaker 6: The consideration that will take place includes limiting the number
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  Speaker 6: of guns an individual, canon the type of guns that illegal,
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  Speaker 6: whether gun ownership should require Australian citizenship, and accelerating work
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  Speaker 6: on the National Firearms Register.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly, overeas he's trying to equate Sunday's massacre with Port Arthur,
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  Speaker 2: even though that was an act of personal evil, while
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  Speaker 2: this was an atrocity motivated by religious hatred, by radical
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  Speaker 2: Islamist hatred. What this government can't and won't admit, as
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee pointed out yesterday, is that it's treated you
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  Speaker 2: hatred as a problem that they have to manage away,
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  Speaker 2: rather than an evil to be eradicated. From the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister down, they've looked through this and a political prism,
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  Speaker 2: not one on principle, their political obsession with protecting Muslim
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  Speaker 2: votes in labor seats and their solidarity with hard left
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  Speaker 2: activists that have marched their hate through our city streets
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  Speaker 2: on an ear weekly basis since October seven.
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  Speaker 3: And when they could.
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  Speaker 2: Have done something, the Prime Minister and his government have
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  Speaker 2: done next to nothing. Nothing when radical Islamist preachers rejoiced
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  Speaker 2: in the October seventh slaughter of men, women and babies.
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  Speaker 7: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm it's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing still, when an angry mob filled with anti Jewish
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  Speaker 2: hate was escorted by police onto the steps of the
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  Speaker 2: Opera House, when one hundred thousand people too streamed across
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney Harbor Bridge, with many of them demanding death
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  Speaker 2: to the idy Air and globalize the into FATA. Again,
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  Speaker 2: no action from the government that we elect to keep
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  Speaker 2: every Australian safe. But as we know, as history has
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  Speaker 2: shown us, if people get away with inciting violince, sooner
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  Speaker 2: or later, violence happens. As the Holocaust impacted family tree
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  Speaker 2: of almost every Jewish Australian bears witness months and months
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  Speaker 2: we've had of hand ringing, mistruths and political dithering, and
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  Speaker 2: that can't be washed away by a Prime minister laying
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  Speaker 2: a wreath after to the event, when all people wanted
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  Speaker 2: and needed from him was action to stop the incitement,
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  Speaker 2: not the sympathy afterwards. The reason these fifteen innocents were
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  Speaker 2: gunned down at Bondai is not supposedly inadequate gun laws,
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  Speaker 2: as much as they might warrant review, but inadequate leadership
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  Speaker 2: from the top. Inadequate, woeful, miserable leadership from a man
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  Speaker 2: who leads a government that has failed not just the dead,
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  Speaker 2: but failed all Australians. Horrified that this massacre occurs here
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  Speaker 2: in our midst What the Prime Minister's trying to do
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  Speaker 2: here is use the issue of gun laws to avoid
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  Speaker 2: an overdue national debate on due hatred and the rise
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  Speaker 2: of radical Islam. And yet it's what drives people to
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  Speaker 2: kill that matters a whole lot more than how they kill. Now,
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  Speaker 2: after all, it's been confirmed by police today that the
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  Speaker 2: car registered to the younger man Navidak found at the
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  Speaker 2: scene contained explosive devices. Now, if that had caused the
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  Speaker 2: loss of life on Sunday and not the guns, what
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  Speaker 2: would have been the Prime Minister's response. They couldn't have
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  Speaker 2: hidden behind gun reform then surely if it had been
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  Speaker 2: a knife attack, what then.
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  Speaker 4: So confirmed that the vehicle, which is registered to the
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  Speaker 4: younger male contained IEDs, the Prime.
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  Speaker 2: Minister and his front bench should not insult our intelligence
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  Speaker 2: or in fantalize us by trying to make this about
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  Speaker 2: something other than you hatred that they have monumentally failed
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  Speaker 2: to deal with. I don't think the public will fall
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  Speaker 2: for this ruse, certainly not if the reception for Tony
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  Speaker 2: Burke last night is any guide.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, what have we done?
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  Speaker 3: If you have had fut in your Pauls, well.
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  Speaker 2: Done, blood.
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  Speaker 9: Shame on you.
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  Speaker 2: Remember this is the government that started criticizing Israel almost
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  Speaker 2: as soon as military operations against her mass had begun,
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  Speaker 2: whose Foreign minister failed even to visit the areas where
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  Speaker 2: those terrorists killed so many when finally she was shamed
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  Speaker 2: into visiting Israel, a government that ratcheted up it's rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: against Israel before announcing that it would officially recognize Palestine
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  Speaker 2: in a giant concession to those demanding that Palestine be
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  Speaker 2: free from the river to the sea. It's a government
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  Speaker 2: that's routinely refused visas to hardline members of the Israeli government,
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  Speaker 2: but that's never withdrawn the visa of a single hate preacher,
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  Speaker 2: or to my knowledge, ever prosecuted one. And they don't
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  Speaker 2: need you laws for any of this, They just need
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  Speaker 2: to enforce the existing ones. Today, the Prime Minister, in
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  Speaker 2: his press conference tried to make it as much of
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  Speaker 2: our community mental health as about Islamist terrorism, reeling off
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  Speaker 2: a list of mental health hotlines at the start of
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  Speaker 2: his press conference. And this despite the fact that the
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  Speaker 2: new Federal Police Commissioner conceded what we all knew to
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  Speaker 2: be true after we first learned the presence of to
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  Speaker 2: homemade Islamic state flags in the car of the killers.
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  Speaker 5: Early indications point to a terrorist attack inspired by Islamic State,
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  Speaker 5: allegedly committed by a father and son.
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  Speaker 2: We've also learned today of the links between the younger
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  Speaker 2: killer and the Dawa Islamic Center in Sydney, the place
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  Speaker 2: responsible for hate spewing preachers like this, By.
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  Speaker 10: The day you will be kicked up, or Palestine is
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  Speaker 10: coming a day when the stones and the trees will
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  Speaker 10: seek and say, oh, Muslim, there is a two behind
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  Speaker 10: me coming to him.
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  Speaker 2: Last night as I picked up and I showed you.
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  Speaker 3: When asked about the.
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  Speaker 2: Fact the sun was on Asio's radar in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister will he'd only tell you this.
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  Speaker 6: He was examined on the basis of being associated with
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  Speaker 6: others and the assessment was made that there was no
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  Speaker 6: indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging
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  Speaker 6: in violence.
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  Speaker 2: What he left out there now, we don't we that
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  Speaker 2: those others were an Islamic State terror cell. Nor did
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  Speaker 2: he confess that the son and father had both recently
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  Speaker 2: traveled to a terrorist hotspot in the Philippines, spending a
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  Speaker 2: month there. What was that about training or planning connected
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  Speaker 2: with Sunday's attack? I will tell but I am not
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  Speaker 2: the only one who has remarked that the way they
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  Speaker 2: both moved with those guns, how the tel tail look
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  Speaker 2: of military training, and so, knowing all of this and
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  Speaker 2: those demonstrable links to Islamic State, you've got to wonder
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  Speaker 2: why on earth the Albanezer government was so willing to
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  Speaker 2: work in secret to bring back to this country women
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  Speaker 2: who had cooperated with Islamic State and their children, some
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  Speaker 2: reportedly close to adulthood themselves. Now, why, why, why, why
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  Speaker 2: would we import more hate?
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  Speaker 3: Today?
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister admitted that Islamic State was quote a
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  Speaker 2: perversion of Islam, and then incredibly he said this.
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  Speaker 6: What what terrorist seek to do is to create division,
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  Speaker 6: is to create conflict, is to mine social coesion, No.
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, not division, not to undermine. What they are
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  Speaker 2: trying to do is to kill Australians. And the radical
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  Speaker 2: Islamist ideology that drives them to kill has to be
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  Speaker 2: called out at every opportunity. It must be called out.
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  Speaker 2: And if you won't do it, if you cannot do it,
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  Speaker 2: then alban Easy, you need to go. This is a
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  Speaker 2: line in the sand for Australia. And looking at the
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  Speaker 2: lines of those giving blood, those calling in to radio
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  Speaker 2: stations what Australians are telling reporters on the street.
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  Speaker 3: People are barely able.
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  Speaker 2: To restrain their anger as politicians walk around the streets
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  Speaker 2: of Bondai.
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  Speaker 3: And finally, I have hope.
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  Speaker 2: That we might get our country back because this is
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  Speaker 2: now the silent majority speaking even the men today, we're
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  Speaker 2: rightly copying their just deserts.
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  Speaker 11: And ABC, I've got to say, will you cut out
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  Speaker 11: the biased reporting.
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  Speaker 3: Mainstream media?
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  Speaker 11: We feel we've yeah, will will you cut it out?
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  Speaker 11: Will you actually let us have a voice, because we
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  Speaker 11: feel that part of the reason that the Jewish people
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  Speaker 11: have experienced such a massive change in Australia towards US
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  Speaker 11: and ABC please stop with the bias reporting.
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  Speaker 2: Earlier today, around lunchtime, it was my honor to host
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  Speaker 2: a Hartecare event Parliament House and Melbourne, where both the
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  Speaker 2: Premier and the Opposition leader spoke to a large crowd
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  Speaker 2: from Melbourne's Jewish community, and I ended the event on
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  Speaker 2: a personal note.
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  Speaker 3: I said, as someone.
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  Speaker 2: Who studied history at school university, I used to ask
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  Speaker 2: myself what would I have done if I had been
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  Speaker 2: born at another time, in another place. Would I have
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  Speaker 2: spoken out against evil? Would I have stood silent? As
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  Speaker 2: I watched Nazis drag my neighbors from their homes, and
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  Speaker 2: I said to myself, I never want to.
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  Speaker 3: Be the person.
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  Speaker 12: We stand with you, all the non Jewish Victorians and
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  Speaker 12: Australians stand with you. You are in our hearts and
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  Speaker 12: in our preers, and out of this time of great darkness.
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  Speaker 13: Let them be in light.
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  Speaker 2: These are dark days. Indeed, let's said to camera now
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  Speaker 2: Tonight's political headlines with our reporter turning Macintosh a.
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  Speaker 14: Colorful outpouring of the nation's grief. Bondai Pavilion, a makeshift
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  Speaker 14: memorial to the horror that stained the streets of Australia's
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  Speaker 14: most iconic beach.
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  Speaker 5: You should not have to fear your life or walk
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  Speaker 5: around thinking if I'm wearing a keeper or if I'm
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  Speaker 5: wearing a Star of David, someone wants to kill me.
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  Speaker 14: Much of the anger is being directed at the Albanezy
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  Speaker 14: government for failing to quash anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 6: What terrorist seek to do is to create division, and
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  Speaker 6: we can't allow their objective to be successful.
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  Speaker 14: The opposition argues, it falls well short of what is needed.
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  Speaker 14: The government is yet to fully endorse all recommendations from
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  Speaker 14: Jillian Siegel's report to combat antisemitism.
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  Speaker 13: It's no use just saying let's come together. We have
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  Speaker 13: to rid our country of this scoirch, of this hatred.
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  Speaker 14: The Australian reports the Prime Minister didn't raise Seagull's antisemitism
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  Speaker 14: plan at the crisis National Cabinet was that reference.
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  Speaker 6: What we did was we reference the ongoing work, including
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  Speaker 6: the National Hate Crime to an incident database.
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  Speaker 15: That is what it is.
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  Speaker 6: We have taken the report from the Anti Semitism Voyd
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  Speaker 6: and what we are doing is busy implementing it.
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  Speaker 14: Former Prime Minister John Howard joins the chorus of criticism.
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  Speaker 8: With these years but maybe approach the Prime Minister has
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  Speaker 8: to this issue and that's not good enough. Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 14: The eyes of the world on Australia at a time
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  Speaker 14: of immense pain. Trudy McIntosh Sky News all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, let's return tonight again to the pavilion at Bondi
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  Speaker 2: and Johnny Maanow is, Rabbi Eli Feldman. Welcome to the program, Rabbi,
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  Speaker 2: and again on behalf of all of my viewers and myself,
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  Speaker 2: we extend our deepest condolences to the City Jewish community.
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  Speaker 2: Your synagogue's in New Town, but I know you've been
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  Speaker 2: there on the ground in Bondai today. What are people
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  Speaker 2: saying to you.
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  Speaker 3: This shock?
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  Speaker 10: There's grief, the sadness, there's anger, there's also resilience and hope.
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  Speaker 10: It's a mixture of emotions, a whole range of emotions,
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  Speaker 10: and it's just a very raw time, not just for
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  Speaker 10: Jewish Australdings, but for all the stratings.
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  Speaker 2: How can those of us who are not of Jewish
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  Speaker 2: faith demonstrably show our support to your community.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I think that we've got in a few ways.
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  Speaker 10: I think the first thing is we right now. We've
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  Speaker 10: got widows and orphans. We've got people have been brutally
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  Speaker 10: murdered in cold blood, including some of my dearest friends.
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  Speaker 10: They need to be buried, Their families need to keep
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  Speaker 10: paying the rent and keep the lights on. So firstly,
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  Speaker 10: there's been a campaign which a fundraising campaign which has
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  Speaker 10: been launched on a website charity c h A r
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  Speaker 10: I D y D not with the T but with
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  Speaker 10: the D charity dot com forward Slash Support Sydney. Charity
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  Speaker 10: dot com for Slash supports Sydney and that's an opportunity
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  Speaker 10: for any Australian to pop on that website and go
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  Speaker 10: and support the victims' families and help them be able
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  Speaker 10: to move forward. So that's on one level. On another level,
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  Speaker 10: we're seeing it bright behind me. We see so many
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  Speaker 10: Australians coming together of all faiths. I mean I were
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  Speaker 10: earlier today we laid some flowers together with the archbishop,
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  Speaker 10: the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, who came and was really
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  Speaker 10: really earnest in his friendship. I got a call from
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  Speaker 10: the AmAm of Preston Mosque who was devastated and said
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  Speaker 10: his people are devastated. It's when people of all fates
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  Speaker 10: and all colors come together, which is what's happening right
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  Speaker 10: behind me. Now, come together in love and come together
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  Speaker 10: in friendship' that's when the miracle happens. And as I
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  Speaker 10: said to so many people today, you know, we may
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  Speaker 10: have different faiths and different beliefs, and we may have
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  Speaker 10: different colors of our skin, whether it's white, yellow or black,
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  Speaker 10: but the color of our soul is the same for
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  Speaker 10: each of us. We're all created in the image of God.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing a hardening though when you talk about resilience, we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing a hardening of the attitudes of a broad spread
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  Speaker 2: of the Australian population against the government and what they perceive,
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  Speaker 2: and I think rightly so to be a lack of
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  Speaker 2: action by anti Semitism, well, I think.
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  Speaker 10: I think there's deep, deep disappointment in the Australian community
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  Speaker 10: that the recommendations of Julian Singel have yet to be adopted.
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  Speaker 10: They've been there for a long time and they still
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  Speaker 10: haven't been adopted, and there's been excuses of waiting for
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  Speaker 10: this report, waiting for that report. The Istralian people don't
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  Speaker 10: need excuses. We need action by.
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  Speaker 3: Please please, please, thank you please. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I think the action is important not just in fighting evil,
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  Speaker 10: but also in increasing in good. I mean, Kunaka is
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  Speaker 10: about light behind me. They're about to light the candles,
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  Speaker 10: and we need to increase in light and good and
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  Speaker 10: that means that we're going to combat antisemitism, not just
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  Speaker 10: by rooting out the evil and rooting out hate speech,
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  Speaker 10: which is just done the name of free speech. But
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  Speaker 10: I think also to focus on education and teaching people
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  Speaker 10: from a very young age that we've got to think
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  Speaker 10: good thoughts about other people and say good things and
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  Speaker 10: that will lead to good actions. And I think that's
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  Speaker 10: the education needs to be out there starting through the
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  Speaker 10: education system, all the way through through our society. We
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  Speaker 10: need to come together in unity and in love. As
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  Speaker 10: you see behind me. Let's make this happen. That's the
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  Speaker 10: Australia I know and love as a proud Australian, and
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  Speaker 10: I want to keep being proud of.
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  Speaker 2: Our country, beautifully, said Rabbi. I'll leave you there for
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  Speaker 2: the ceremony you're about to start. Thank you, Rabbi Filman
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  Speaker 2: there from one night. All right, let's go down to
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  Speaker 2: some of the political fallout today, joining me as SKA
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  Speaker 2: new political letter to Andrew Cleanell Andrew welcome. We saw
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  Speaker 2: yesterday a series of meetings. There was the initial cab
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  Speaker 2: that meeting at eleven o'clock. There was obviously an end
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  Speaker 2: of c meeting security meeting. Then there was National Cabinet
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  Speaker 2: four o'clock, largely focused, certainly in the outward communicate on
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  Speaker 2: gun law reform. Fair enough, you know, I'm one of
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  Speaker 2: those that were shocked. The gunman had six registered firearms.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm reading this as labor desperately trying to make
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  Speaker 2: it an issue about gun law control and reform and
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  Speaker 2: less about bearing any responsibility for a lack of action
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  Speaker 2: on anti semitism.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure, probably. I mean I'm not even sure they
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  Speaker 1: were doing gun law reform until Chris Mins said he
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  Speaker 1: was going to Peter to be frank with you, and
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  Speaker 1: then suddenly Anthony I went easy, did a second pressor
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  Speaker 1: for the day where he said he was going to
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  Speaker 1: look at that. So I think they've been caught really
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  Speaker 1: short on the response. I don't think the PM so
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  Speaker 1: far has met the moment. I think chris Min's kind
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  Speaker 1: of has and look as I today, can I just
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  Speaker 1: say that as a reporter today with the National Cabinet,
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  Speaker 1: David chris a Fully, the Queensland Premier, said oh, hang on,
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  Speaker 1: this is the you know, the draft all about gun law.
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  Speaker 1: There's only one paragraph about anti semitism. What are we
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  Speaker 1: doing about antisemitism? And another leader joined him in asking
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  Speaker 1: that question, and after that, I believe it was there
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  Speaker 1: was a bit more focus put on that. Now Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Abeneze has denied the Australian story on that in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the document draft document, but that information led me
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  Speaker 1: to find out this other information, so there's certainly got
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  Speaker 1: to be some truth to it. My understanding is chris
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Fully did say that he didn't deny it. And that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: really shows the government's court short on this issue. Again, Well,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: what Anthony Abenese he has to do to lead this
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: nation on this is to forget about his mistakes, and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: he has made mistakes, but say, you know, now, let's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: have a real go with this. Let's not worry about
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Muslim votes and electorates because there probably, in fact, I'm
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: sure there are plenty of Muslims like Ahmet ol Hamad
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: who don't want these characters doing this sort of stuff.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And you just win all voters over if you show
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a bit more strength and strong reassuring language. And we
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: just haven't seen that from the PM at all.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard him use the term Islamist terrorist Andrew
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of you.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: No, but it's not even that. I mean, where's the anger, Like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here, it is, I'm sitting here right now,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and there's no anger at these two perpetrators in his
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: public statements. Just all, let's have a hug. You know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: where's the condemnation? You know, Like it's just like he's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: kind of a bit shell shocked. To me, he just
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: needs to step up here.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I'd argue that he's completely out of his depth. I mean,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I think John Howard made a whole lot of points
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: today himself obviously having to deal with a national crisis
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: similar but very different from this. Of course, this is coordinated.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: We are now seeing what appear to be a deep
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: links into a range of Islamist organizations, whether it's the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Darwist Center in Sydney and the hate preacher, they're connected
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: to the to the younger killer, whether it's the trip
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to the Philippines and the ISSIS flags. I mean, I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: could go on focus for me if you can though
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: on on I guess the contrast you mentioned Chris Mins.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: The contrast between Chris Mins, he seems across his brief
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: he's anticipating some of the commentary from the police, the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister. You know, yes, he went and visited someone
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: in hospital today and he laid some flowers yesterday. It
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't appear to me to be in command of the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: detail the national security implications here and what already looked
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to me as some oversights by ASIOH. He's very different
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: from Min's in how he's handling this crisis, isn't.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: He bil there's a yes Minister aspect, there isn't there?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But I mean the initial advice to the senior politicians
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: where these were like two lone wolves, and now we've
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: got the Philippines training angle, and you know these are
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: best for our agencies to look at. I mean even
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the AFP said inspired bias is not necessarily sanctioned biases.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But they need to find out what happened in the Philippines.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It's not looking great. Manhoum Monas, by the way, was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a lone wolf and had nicest flag. So there you go.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think, you know, maybe you've got
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to even throw your agency under a bus on occasion
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: day you've got to say, well, clearly this, I mean,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: this is what he doesn't want to say, which he
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: needs to say. So Chris Minz has said, clearly, in hindsight,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: we should have had more cops down there with bigger guns, right,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a statement of the obvious. Anthtery
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Albiteazi should say clearly, in hindsight, Asio should have kept
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: looking at this guy, and we should have had laws
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: which meant that people on an Azio watch list don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: get a gun. It's pretty easy to say no one's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: going to have a go at Anthony ho Uneasy and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: say it's all your fault if he says that. Instead,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: he seems so worried about stuffing up Peter, that he
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: is stuffing up if you follow what I'm saying. He's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: so nervous about saying the wrong thing that he's not
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: saying much at all, and therefore he's not meeting the moment.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: That's because Andrew, my read is that he's trying to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: straddle being a prime minister for Australians here and not
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: offending a voting block in Western City, in both Tony.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Burke and others. Well, do you think that that is faired?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think I think it's possible. I'm not going
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to go as far as to say it's fair because
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not in his head, but I think it's possible.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And all I will say is if that's in the case.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: If that is the case, that is crazy. You know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: John Howard went against his base with the gun control
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: stuff against the Nationals. Had to put on a you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a vest, a bullet proof vest. You know, you've got
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to show courage in politics or what's the point. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: if that means going and gets your constituency when it's right,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that's what you need to do. Peter. If you're a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: true leader.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: You've certainly got more passion there at the moment than
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the prime misters had in the last two days. Andrew Clew,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: thank you. After the great confirmation about the ISIS flags
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and other questions about ISIS lenks, We'll get to that
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: with one of our security experts. Plus and you're hasty
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: on his devan for a serious debate and immigration in
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the wake.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Of his terror attack. Welcome back.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: As I've already referenced at the top of the program,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: details emerged today about the two alleged terrorists and their
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: potential links to Islamic State.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I can confirm that they did travel to the Philippines.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: The reasons why they went to the Philippines and the
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: purpose of that and where they went when they were
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: there is under investigation at the moment. I also confirmed
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: that the vehicle, which is registered to the younger male,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: contained IEDs, but I also confirmed that it contained two
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: homemade ISIS flags.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Early indications point to a terrorist attack inspired by Islamic State,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: allegedly committed by a father and son.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Join me now.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig and just
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: so view as I know I don't often have a
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: guest on a repeat program show like this, but David
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Craig has led multiple joint counter terrors of.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Task forces in Australia.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: They of course made up of state territory police as
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: well as ASIO intelligence officers, which makes his insights incredibly important.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Greig, thank you David.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: This trip to the Philippines, the guns, the homemade ice
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: as flags. How on earth, given the history of the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: sun Red flagged back in twenty nine nineteen, why did
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: no alarm bells go off inside any of our agencies?
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: I think, Peter, we first have to understand how these
• 28:12
  Speaker 13: assessments are actually made. So back in twenty nineteen there
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: may not have actually been a threat. I've been a
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: part of these assessments and people work very hard. They
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: know if they get it wrong, people die, and on
• 28:25
  Speaker 13: this occasion that's happened. But I would hope that we're
• 28:28
  Speaker 13: not going to go back and point fingers at mistakes
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: where because I don't think Mark Burgess can even predict,
• 28:34
  Speaker 13: you know, someone's behavior in six years time. However, when
• 28:38
  Speaker 13: they departed the country, it should have been raised as
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: an alert and they could have been spoken to on
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: the way back, their luggage could have been searched, we
• 28:46
  Speaker 13: would know more about it and that would have been proactive.
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: So that was the trip. Why that I say we
• 28:53
  Speaker 13: missed because if they were ever a concern that they
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: were related to Islamic State, we should always know if
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: they are leaving the country free or their associates are
• 29:01
  Speaker 13: coming here.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and explain to my audience why the Philippines is
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of such interest in this area.
• 29:09
  Speaker 13: Sure, the Southern Philippines has been a hotbed of training
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: for morrow Islamic Liberation Front for since the seventies. Jamara's
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: Lamir sent operatives there from Indonesia. They had their Mantiqi
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: for which was their train arm of Jamara's Lamir. Al
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: Qaeda had training camps there as well. It's a hot
• 29:29
  Speaker 13: bed of terrorist expertise. I don't know that these two
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: went there to holiday for a month together a father
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: and son. I would like to know what they did there,
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: and I'm sure we'll get the answers, but it would
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: have been nice to know on their way back to
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: the country or before warned by an alert of at
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: least the sun leaving would have given agencies an edge
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: to get ahead of.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: This there's a lot of reporting today though on the
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: back of this, given the number of terrorists, convicted terrorists
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: have been released with control orders into the Australian community,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: some without control orders, the number of young radicalized youth
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that the agencies are watching over carefully. Part of the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: reason why this may not have been done, it's been
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: put out there in the media today, is just not enough.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Resourcing for our agencies. How fair is that point?
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: Look, I have to say, Peter, I think that that
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: is a fair statement, but I don't know what enough
• 30:34
  Speaker 13: resourcing actually looks like. So the AFP or the Joint
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: can Terrorism Teams, they get information, they investigate it, but
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: if there's not some criminal advocacy or some acts in
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: preparation of a terrorist attack, there's no crime for them
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: to investigate. It's no longer a police matter. So that
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: gets packaged up and sent to ASIO and then that
• 30:52
  Speaker 13: sits in their lap.
• 30:54
  Speaker 15: Now there's a.
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: Lot of those cases. Police identify risks regularly in these
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: investigations that aren't criminal, but their risks. So there's a
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: big burden worn bi ASIO here, and I don't know
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: how much resourcing we can give them, but we can
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: certainly look at copying some of the laws in the UK.
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: Some of their practices have proven to be very good
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: and I would like to see that done as well
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: as the resourcing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, David, we've got hisberteria that are not outlawed
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in Australia. They are in a number of Western countries overseas.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: We've got, of course, the younger Bondai suspect, Navid Akram
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Links today confirmed the radical preacher with some huddard Our
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: showed clips on the program before some of the hate
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: he has spewed from the pulpit at an Islamic center
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: in Sydney, and surely all of that added to a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: video from twenty nineteen showing that he's handing out pamphlets
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: for the Dawa movement. This is the one obviously that
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: with hud is evolved in putting all of this together.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: We have a problem in this country, don't we, with
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: rad call Islamic preachers.
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: Definitely, we've got a problem with that. And these are
• 32:07
  Speaker 13: slippery fish. These are evil people that are working in
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: the gray areas. So you know the street Dawar on
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: the front, it should just be an invitation to come
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: and talk about religion, and I think everyone should be
• 32:18
  Speaker 13: entitled to that, but it's what happens once they're invited
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: and where they're invited to. And your point about Husbuotteria
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: is very valid. I mean this is very different to
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: street Dal, which is just a method of recruiting people
• 32:30
  Speaker 13: to Islam. Huzbookteria are a globally recognized revolutionary Islamic organization.
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: They say they don't support violence, but they want global gad.
• 32:40
  Speaker 13: They talk despisingly about the Jews. They want a global caliphate.
• 32:45
  Speaker 13: They explicitly want revolution. Now they should be banned in Australia.
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: Why aren't they I don't know. But last month they
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: had a meeting in Chris Burke's own electorate, publicly available
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: people could attend, and at the time when we spoke Peter,
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: I thought it would be good if he went and
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: listened to what they have to say, because what they're
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: having to say publicly and what they say on the
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: sidelines are probably two very different things.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Well over there in Tony Burk's own electric they had
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: their many thank you, David, let's go out of the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: broader issue around all of this, and that's immigration. Even
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: before the terror attack on Sunday, Liberal MP Andrew Hasty
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: has been very vocal about the implications of an open
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: door policy where the values of would be migrants are
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: in direct opposition to those of our free, pluralist and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: democratic country. Andrew Hasty joins me now, Andrew, welcome to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the program. I mean you have been outspoken for many,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: many months about the need to have a feedingham national
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: debate in this country about immigration, not just the quantum,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: not just the number of people we bring to this country,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: but who we bring and what their values are and
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: whether they are in conflict with ours. Is this finally
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a wake up call to have that debate?
• 34:05
  Speaker 16: Good evening, Peter. I think it is a wake up call,
• 34:08
  Speaker 16: and it's a violent wake up call, sadly for fifteen
• 34:12
  Speaker 16: murdered Australians, their families and friends. I think at the
• 34:15
  Speaker 16: heart of all of this is that theology has public consequences,
• 34:19
  Speaker 16: and radical Islamic theology has violent consequences. It encourages people
• 34:24
  Speaker 16: to withdraw from Australian society, encourages people to think of
• 34:28
  Speaker 16: believers and infidels. It doesn't recognize secular authority like the parliaments,
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: the courts or the police. It encourages genders, aggregation, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 16: it legitimizes and normalizes violence in the pursuit of religious aims.
• 34:40
  Speaker 16: So we have a problem with radical Islamic theology. And
• 34:45
  Speaker 16: I think one of the areas that we really need
• 34:47
  Speaker 16: to look at is immigration. And numbers are one thing,
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: but I think who we bring into our country is
• 34:52
  Speaker 16: really important. They have to sign up to Australian values,
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: which are fundamentally Judeo Christian values. Equality, the rule of law, consent,
• 35:01
  Speaker 16: democratic traditions, all those things are fundamentally Judaeo Christian. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 16: I think what we're seeing is that radical Islamic theology
• 35:08
  Speaker 16: is completely incompatible with the Australian achievement. As John Howard
• 35:12
  Speaker 16: calls it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I was watching the Prime Minister I have for the
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: last couple of days. I've watched every.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Single press conference, as been three or four press conferences
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a day, and not once has he used the term
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: radical Islam or Islam or Islamerston. I checked my reckoning
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: with Andrew Klenew. He also agreed, does that surprise you?
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: I'm not surprised. I think it's a failure of leadership
• 35:36
  Speaker 16: by the Prime minister. He has to be grounded in reality,
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: as he leads the nation out of this dark valley.
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: And the first thing he needs to do is to
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: be honest and truthful about why this attack occurred. It
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: was because two people were radicalized by a very extreme
• 35:53
  Speaker 16: form of Islam that encouraged them to take up guns
• 35:56
  Speaker 16: and shoot innocent Jewish Australians during Parniker Festival down at
• 36:01
  Speaker 16: Bondi Beach. And until he does that, he's missed the mark.
• 36:06
  Speaker 16: And I also think he needs to lead ground in
• 36:08
  Speaker 16: Australian values. He needs to articulate who we are as
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: a country, what we stand for and what we oppose.
• 36:13
  Speaker 16: And finally he's got to have a bias for action.
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: There are forty nine recommendations that Jillian Sieagull made. He
• 36:19
  Speaker 16: can take those up tomorrow and get on with it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 16: And if he has to recall the National Parliament, well
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: then let's go where I'll get on the next flight
• 36:26
  Speaker 16: to canber to make sure that we protect Jewish Australians.
• 36:29
  Speaker 16: There are a number of other things to do, but
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: he can start with that report by Miss Siegel.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Are you concerned that at the National Cabinet yesterday there
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: was no debate about much in relation to Jillian Seagull's report.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: In fact, it wasn't even discussed, it wasn't named in
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the room. The debate was, and I call this sort
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of a switch game. The debate was about gun reform.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Now you've fired a gun in a professional sense as
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a soldier, And yes, I do think that the gun
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: reform is a valid debate to have, but it is
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the motivation behind the killers. It's what they did with
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: those guns on the weekend that we cannot lose sight of.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: My fear as a prime minister wants to make this
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: about gun reform, he wants to try and get the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: coalition to fight with its farmers and fight amongst itself
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: because that will give him cover from having to deal
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: with his derogation of duty over the last two and
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: a half years.
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: That's my concern, and it's a valid concern, Peter, because
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: the issue here is antisemitism, and the wellspring of that
• 37:34
  Speaker 16: antisemittism is radical Islamic theology, which motivated these two shooters.
• 37:40
  Speaker 16: And so until he acknowledges that and deals with that,
• 37:43
  Speaker 16: we're not going to make any headway. And to talk
• 37:44
  Speaker 16: about gun reform. Sure, we can talk about gun reform,
• 37:47
  Speaker 16: but it's to completely miss the mark. And he's had
• 37:50
  Speaker 16: two years. We saw the ugly face of antisemitism on
• 37:54
  Speaker 16: the steps of the Opera House two years ago. We've
• 37:57
  Speaker 16: had a number of incidents. The data points are all
• 38:00
  Speaker 16: there over the last two years. He's just got to
• 38:02
  Speaker 16: wake up. He's got to acknowledge the reality. He's got
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: to lead from a position of strength and values, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 16: he's got to have a bias for action and protect
• 38:10
  Speaker 16: not just Jewish Australians but all the strains because this
• 38:13
  Speaker 16: affects us all.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Are we going to see the coalition Andrew with a
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: lot of your pushing and shoving, and we've got to
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: see them step up to the mark on the arguments
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you've just put so eloquently tonight in relation to an
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: immigration I.
• 38:26
  Speaker 16: Hope so, because on the Coalition backbenches we're going to
• 38:30
  Speaker 16: make the arguments regardless. So we need to move as
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: a team. We need to be unified. This is a
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: moment where Australians across the country are calling out for
• 38:39
  Speaker 16: leadership and plane speaking, everyone can see what happened on Sunday.
• 38:45
  Speaker 16: We don't need to cloak it in language of platitude.
• 38:50
  Speaker 16: We actually need to get on with the job, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 16: people expect action from their political leaders.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Well from someone who has worn the uniform to fight
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: against radical isla.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Andrew Hasty. Right, let's go to a quick break.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: After the break, we've got john Nis with a panel
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: with a whole other blow coming up. Don't mean now
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: for my panel One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and senior fellow at the MENSIS Recent Center, Nick Kator.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Well, James, I'll start up with you. Your boss was straight.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Out of the gates. Is terror unfolded on Sunday night.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I think her statement was one of the strongest that
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: we have had since this terror attack. She's worn for
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: a long time about mass immigration, Islamic extremism. She's even
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: been concerned about multiculturalism because she says we have one
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Australian culture. We can have many cultures underneath it, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: we can't be multicultural. We must have an Australian culture.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I noticed she was at Bondi at the vigil today.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: How was she received?
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: Look, I wasn't there. Peter and Pauline made it very
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: clear she didn't want a spectacle and therefore she said
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: no staff. She wanted to go down with Barnaby Joyce
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  Speaker 7: and she made the phone call to the former head
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  Speaker 7: of the Jewish Council here in Australia, David Adler, who
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: accompanied the two of them today and according to media reports,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: I haven't had a chance to speak to Pauline today.
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  Speaker 7: She was not in the mood really to pick up
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  Speaker 7: on what she experienced. I know that she had a
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  Speaker 7: lot of dark feelings about going there to start with,
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  Speaker 7: but according to the media today, she was the most
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  Speaker 7: well received politician out of all that have been there,
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: and for obvious reasons, she has stood strong behind the
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: Jewish community, not just in Australia but right across the
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  Speaker 7: globe since that October seven, devastating attack on Israel, and
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: since the weekly protests, the march is here, the pro
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: Palestinian marches, since the horrible slurs that have been screamed
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  Speaker 7: from our universities, and since the attack from clerics from
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: some of those mosques around Australia as well. When this
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  Speaker 7: government did nothing, Pauline Hansen was the only leader in
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  Speaker 7: the country to send strong beside our Jewish community and
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  Speaker 7: our friends.
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  Speaker 2: Former Prime Minister Malcolm Termol used to represent the seat
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: of we Worth, of course, in Bondai was part of his.
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  Speaker 3: Area, nick Cata. He was down there and I listened
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  Speaker 3: to his comments.
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  Speaker 2: He was eloquent about his support for Jewish Australians, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: it was all about hugs and love, and he made
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  Speaker 2: a remark that it's almost impossible as a leader of
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  Speaker 2: a country to prevent a determined terrorism.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that was his line.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: He also had a crack and Benjamin Netanya, who have
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: a listen.
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  Speaker 9: I would respectfully say to Bibby Netanya, who please stay
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: out of our politics. If you've got that kind of
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: commentary to make, you are not helping. I know Nahou,
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: I know him pretty well actually, and look I understand
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: where he's coming from, his passion and so forth. But
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: this is not helping and it's not right.
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  Speaker 2: I make the point though, that this is the second
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: deadliest and is Semitic attack against Jewish communities outside of
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  Speaker 2: Israel in the post Holocaust era. Let's have a look
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  Speaker 2: at those horrific statistics on the screen. I mean, Malcolm
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Turmile can say what he likes, but Vivinette Yahoo is
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: absolutely entitled, as the leader of our only Jewish state
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  Speaker 2: on the planet, to speak up in defense of Jews.
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  Speaker 2: Slaughtered even if they are overseas dictator.
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  Speaker 17: Yes exactly. He's a Prime Minister of Israel. If he
• 42:46
  Speaker 17: hasn't got a right to speak on this, who has.
• 42:49
  Speaker 17: I think it is a very odd comment from Malcolm Termal.
• 42:51
  Speaker 17: He should have just left that right out. I think
• 42:53
  Speaker 17: the Prime Minister was right. Bendes now who was right
• 42:57
  Speaker 17: to criticize the Albanes because they have allowed this to come.
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  Speaker 17: They have not stamped down on anti Semitism. They have
• 43:06
  Speaker 17: not had a zero tolerance approach to antisemitism, which is
• 43:09
  Speaker 17: what we need. So I think every Australian, every Australian
• 43:13
  Speaker 17: would agree with that, and every Australian would also agree.
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  Speaker 17: I think with Pauline Hanson that we need one culture.
• 43:20
  Speaker 17: That's the problem with multiculturalism sort of go out's permission
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: to some people to sort of do their own thing. Well,
• 43:26
  Speaker 17: that won't happen. And I'm out in Western Sydney at
• 43:28
  Speaker 17: the moment. People around here, including many Muslims, they are
• 43:32
  Speaker 17: as furious as anybody else at this because they believe
• 43:36
  Speaker 17: this is not the Australian which they came to and
• 43:38
  Speaker 17: they want people to play by the rules, to love
• 43:41
  Speaker 17: thy neighbor as thyself.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I played a.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Little bit of this at the time of the show
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: James Ashby about a moment live on ABC television where
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: a Jewish Australian woman she was the daughter of someone
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: injured in the attack, really took the ABC head on.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Have a listen. ABC.
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  Speaker 11: I've got to say, will you cut out the bias reporting.
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  Speaker 14: Mainstream media?
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: We feel?
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  Speaker 18: We yeah?
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Will you? Will you cut it out?
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: Will you actually let us have a voice?
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: James Ashby, Yeah, how tragic that a member of the
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: public has to call the ABC out. We have been
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: trying to for a very long time. I know your
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: coalition partners have I know that Malcolm Roberts, Paul Enhanson
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: had for many years saying that the ABC should be
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: held to account in Senate estimates and on the floor
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: of Parliament. But what has Labor done? Nothing about it?
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: The reality is, Peter, we have fifteen innocent lives left.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: Can we just get one thing straight in the media?
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: And I say this to all media, fifteen innocent lives,
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: one terrorist dead. Stop putting them together, because you know
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: this bloke was a bastard who deserved to die for
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: the actions in which he conducted. Over our weekend slaughtering
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: fifteen Australians, innocent Australians, so stop putting them together. The
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: ABC need to realize that there are still bodies sitting
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: in the morgue that cannot be officially identified because the
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: gunshot wounds are that disastrous that people cannot and we're
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: talking family cannot identify their loved ones properly. These are
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: not being reported on the ABC. They fail to mutter
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: the words Islamic terrorism. They fail to acknowledge the fact
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: that we have a problem in this country that so
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: many people are willing to speak about at the bar
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: or in their own homes. But for some reason, our
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: media are petrified to be able to speak openly and honestly,
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: and that includes networks like yours. And I don't blame
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: Sky for not wanting to have the discussion so openly,
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: because why labor keep threatening threatening networks with their licenses.
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: Enough with it, We've got to have an open, honest conversation.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: If it's good enough to have conversations about other problems
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: in the country, this one has to be front and
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: center because if you keep sweeping it under the rug,
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: nothing will be resolved. And that is all one nation
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: ever ever asked, We've got to watch the types of
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: people coming into this came Are you open honest conversation.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: We have that conversation here.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: We had that conversation about radical Islam, We had that
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: conversation about the treatment of women, and we certainly have
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: that conversation about not just how many come to Australia,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: but who they are that we allow onto our shores.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Thank you, gentlemen, Thank you both. Right,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: quick break after the break is a question for John
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: anders In here is this the line in the sand?
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Is this the end? Will we start to get our
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: country back?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Or are we just managing our decline? Welcome back, Johinmen
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: now on the Bondai Terra attack, Former Deputy Prime ministaff
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: on the National Party leader John Anderson. John I posed
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: a question going into the break. Are the events of Sunday,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: the death of fifteen innocents kill because they were Jewish,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: killed by the authorities would say people linked to isis
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: islamist terrorists. Is this a line in the sand now
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: that Australians will start to fight ordinary Australians fight to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: get their country back, or are we now headed down
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: a terrible path where we are just managing our decline.
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: Well, that depends a very great deal on whether the
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: Prime Minister can find understanding, conviction and courage. We are
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: at a civilizational moment the West is You and I
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: have talked about that at the moment in the past.
• 47:50
  Speaker 18: Really critical to note though, in relation to gun laws,
• 47:53
  Speaker 18: the difference between nineteen ninety six, we were facing a
• 47:57
  Speaker 18: culture where out of suburbs who are a lot of
• 47:59
  Speaker 18: guns are being used.
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: I could see them shooting up sides and mailboxes and
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: so forth out here on the weekends. But they were
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: largely individuals, lone wolves, mental health problems, dysfunctional families, that
• 48:11
  Speaker 15: sort of thing. They were not as we now face,
• 48:15
  Speaker 15: focusing on one racial group committed to the idea of
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: eliminating one particular race of people here and around the world,
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: and organized more widely. This is not lone wolf stuff.
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: This is entirely different, and it demands much more of
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: a response, a much deeper response, than talk about revisiting
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: gun laws. That's the failure of leadership that I feel
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: at the moment gives me a great cause for worrying.
• 48:46
  Speaker 15: As you say, are we going to stand up?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Let me play a comment from John Howard on this
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: very point about not allowing gun laws to take away
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's responsibility here antisemitism.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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  Speaker 8: They degraded into a debate about changes to gun was
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: that is a diversion. The issue here is anti Semetism.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: The failure over the last two years has been that
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: of the federal government, led by the Prime Minister as
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: Any Alban Easy, to bring sufficient energy to a broad
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: based attack on the evil of anti Semitism.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I made the point John, in the car there was
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: explosive devices found by police. If they had killed the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: fifteen people on the weekend and not the guns, the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister would have no cover.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: So we have to have this debate.
• 49:39
  Speaker 15: We absolutely have to have this debate. Let me make
• 49:42
  Speaker 15: this point though, I think it's right for people to
• 49:44
  Speaker 15: say no, the issue is anti Semitism ahead of guns.
• 49:47
  Speaker 15: But I think ahead of even that we need to
• 49:50
  Speaker 15: have an honest debate about people in our midst who
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: want to attack the very principle that underpins our democracy,
• 49:57
  Speaker 15: the equality of all citizens. If you are such a
• 50:01
  Speaker 15: Jew hater that you believe that Australians who are Jewish
• 50:05
  Speaker 15: should be singled out and removed because are somehow subhuman.
• 50:09
  Speaker 15: You are, as Bob Hawk recognized in a situation, when
• 50:13
  Speaker 15: the bell tolls for Israel, when it tolls when anti
• 50:16
  Speaker 15: Semitism rises, the bell tolls for us all this is
• 50:19
  Speaker 15: a really clear link and I just hope the Prime
• 50:22
  Speaker 15: Minister will sit down and try and understand what is
• 50:26
  Speaker 15: happening to the country that he has the honor to lead.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: John Andison, I have to leave it there. I'm out
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: of time. Thank you for Jody, Yes the CD. That's
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: it for me. Tomorrow night, I'll be here at six
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: is Andrew