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Mac & Bone Hour 4: Dalton Wasserman & Walker Mehl · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, Mac and Boncho Sports Radio ninety two seven
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  Speaker 1: WFNZ spending a lot of time right now talking college football,
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  Speaker 1: and that includes with our friend of the program, Dalton
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  Speaker 1: Wasserman of the preferred walk On podcast, on the guest
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  Speaker 1: line right now. Dalton, thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh appreciate you having me on big time.
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  Speaker 1: Feels good to talk college football. When we look at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the SEC entering the season, who do
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  Speaker 1: you rank one, two, three, in that order? The top
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  Speaker 1: of the SEC right now?
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  Speaker 2: Man, I'll tell you, I think it's a pretty wide
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  Speaker 2: open competition between probably five to seven teams who are
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  Speaker 2: capable of winning the conference. Right now. I think Texas
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  Speaker 2: is the most loaded team. I think what they added
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  Speaker 2: in the transfer portal, and I think the development of
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  Speaker 2: Arch Manning make them a real SEC title contender, national
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  Speaker 2: title contender. I would put them number one. Probably put Georgia,
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  Speaker 2: the defending champions, number two. We know what you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get at them. They have such a high floor
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  Speaker 2: with their defense and their run game. It's just going
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  Speaker 2: to be a matter of if they're explosive enough on offense.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, especially in the passing game and number three.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put old Miss. I think we have to
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  Speaker 2: respect what they brought back in the backfield with Trinidad
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  Speaker 2: Chambliss and Keywan Lacia, just what they did last year
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  Speaker 2: with Pete Golding at the end there as the head
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  Speaker 2: coach making the final four run darn near making the
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  Speaker 2: national title game. I'll put Ole Miss number three for now,
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  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of contenders right behind those teams
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  Speaker 2: that could sneak into it.
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  Speaker 1: One of the biggest stories in the sport, of course,
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  Speaker 1: last year and this year is Arch Manning. Took a
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  Speaker 1: while for him to get going last year. Are you
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  Speaker 1: expecting us to see the full Arch this year that
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  Speaker 1: we expected from the get go last year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the only thing we need to see
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  Speaker 2: is just not so many easy misses. The accuracy needs
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  Speaker 2: to be a little bit better, the ball placement needs
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  Speaker 2: to be a little bit better. But if that gets there,
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  Speaker 2: He's got all the tools that you can ask for,
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  Speaker 2: right got the size, he's got the athleticism, maybe the
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  Speaker 2: best athletes ever come out of the Manning family, the
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  Speaker 2: way that he can run. He's got a new number
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  Speaker 2: one receiver and cam Coleman to go along with Ryan Wingo,
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  Speaker 2: He's got two new running backs that are that balance
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  Speaker 2: to this offense and he doesn't have to carry it
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  Speaker 2: quite as much. But I would expect to see all
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  Speaker 2: of that, right. I think when you talk about Manning,
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  Speaker 2: he's just got to play with a little more confidence
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  Speaker 2: and conviction. He's got no reason not to with the
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  Speaker 2: supporting cast that he has there now.
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  Speaker 1: Dall And when it comes to the Hoosiers, two years
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  Speaker 1: ago they came out of nowhere, made the postseason year
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  Speaker 1: one under Signetti. Last year it continued all the way
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  Speaker 1: to the national championship. What are you thinking this year?
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  Speaker 1: Is it going to be another year where they can
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  Speaker 1: run the table and get or not run the table,
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  Speaker 1: they can get all the way to the end and
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  Speaker 1: win it all. Are they just a playoff team? What
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  Speaker 1: are you think in for year three under Kurtzignetti and
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  Speaker 1: the Hoosiers?
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  Speaker 2: To me, I think the way that they're building, the
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  Speaker 2: foundation they built with their defense especially, and then a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the talent that they've brought into the transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal is well. I fully expect them to be one
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  Speaker 2: of the eight best teams in the country. Obviously one
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  Speaker 2: of the three best teams in the Big Ten alongside
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State and Oregon and the rest of you know,
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  Speaker 2: the ceiling really just depends on Josh Hoover, Right, we
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  Speaker 2: saw it last year with Fernando Mendoza. If this team
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  Speaker 2: has a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback or something close to that,
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  Speaker 2: they win, they can win the national championship. Right, Josh
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  Speaker 2: Hoover's got to come in and work on his ball security,
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  Speaker 2: not throw quite as many interceptions. But you know, it
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  Speaker 2: could look more like two years ago where they were
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  Speaker 2: just a playoff team. If Hoover is just solid for them,
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  Speaker 2: but the stealing is there, I think he's got the
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  Speaker 2: ceiling somewhere, probably in between you know, Curtis Rourke and
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  Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza what they had the last two years. But
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  Speaker 2: if he's closer to Mendoza, they can absolutely win the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Again, we're talking to Daln Wasserman. The Preferred Walk On
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  Speaker 1: podcast does a great job with Max Chadwick on that shoe. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the headliner this year or the ACC is Miami Dallin.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, for the sake of discussion here we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out, Hey, who who lines up behind
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  Speaker 1: Miami as that next best team, You've got louis the
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  Speaker 1: SMU Clemson. We'll see what James Franklin does in year one.
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  Speaker 1: What team entering the season do you like the most
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  Speaker 1: behind Miami as second best in the ACC?
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  Speaker 2: I think I would go with Louisville, And they even
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  Speaker 2: come with the biggest question mark of what Lincoln Keingholtz
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  Speaker 2: is going to look like at quarterback. But when you
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  Speaker 2: look at the constants of what they have, their backfield
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  Speaker 2: is outstanding with Isaac and key One Brown. You brought
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  Speaker 2: in a really good receiver from Vanderbilt and Trey Richardson.
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  Speaker 2: Their defense is solid Klev Lubin in that pass rush,
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  Speaker 2: that's one of the most lethal units in the entire conference.
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  Speaker 2: They just need to get healthy on the back seven
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  Speaker 2: of their defense, especially at linebacker. And then again, it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come down to the quarterback. If Louisville figures out
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  Speaker 2: their quarterback situation, as they've done for several years in
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  Speaker 2: a row with different transfer guys, then they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be right there in that Mixing their schedule in the
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  Speaker 2: ACC is very, very favorable for them to get to
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  Speaker 2: the ACC title game and give them a shot it's
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  Speaker 2: just a matter of the quarterback situation. Otherwise then you're
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  Speaker 2: looking another team like SMU. I think Georgia Tech has
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  Speaker 2: enough talent to be in that mix again, right, you
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  Speaker 2: know you had Pitt who had a really good year
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  Speaker 2: last year. Virginia if they figure out their quarterback situation
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  Speaker 2: could factor into it. So you know this, it's really
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  Speaker 2: going to be wide open, a wide open race for
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  Speaker 2: that second spot in the ACC. Assuming Miami doesn't slip
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  Speaker 2: as they have done in many regular seasons before.
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  Speaker 1: Virginia Tech year one under James Franklin are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hype. I think it's justified. But do you think
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  Speaker 1: that he can do some work early and get them
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  Speaker 1: to say even eight or nine wins in his first year.
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  Speaker 1: What's your expectation for the Hokies early under James Franklin.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's possible. I mean, they just need to
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  Speaker 2: be better coached offensively. Defensively, that team is generally very
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  Speaker 2: very good, even when they have their down years like
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  Speaker 2: last year. But offensively they just have to find some balance. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I like what they have in the backfield with Marcellus Hawkins,
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  Speaker 2: but it's really gonna come down to Ethan Grunkmeyer in
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  Speaker 2: the passing game. Matching up with that, right, a Virginia
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  Speaker 2: Tech team, to me with with having any sort of
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  Speaker 2: effectiveness in the passing game can be really good because
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  Speaker 2: generally the lack of wins lately has lagged behind their talent.
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  Speaker 2: They are more talented than what they've shown the last
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  Speaker 2: four or five years, and they just need to get
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  Speaker 2: more consistent quarterback play. That's really the big thing for
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  Speaker 2: me and Franklin such a good coach. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: been so good everywhere he's gone. We've seen it the
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  Speaker 2: last couple stops with Penn State and Vanderbilt, and there's
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  Speaker 2: still some people that would go, you know what, he
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  Speaker 2: really wasn't to blame for the problems at Penn State.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of talent there. He's got to put
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  Speaker 2: it together and I think the big key, as always
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  Speaker 2: is going to be the quarterback in gruck.
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  Speaker 1: Meyer DLN Wasserman preferred walk on podcast here on the
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  Speaker 1: Mack and Bone Show. One team that's a little hard
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  Speaker 1: to figure out, even for a team that we cover
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  Speaker 1: here is NC State. They get CJ. Bailey back, but
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  Speaker 1: they do lose a lot. What do you think in
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  Speaker 1: the kind of year. This will be for the Pack
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  Speaker 1: and Raleigh.
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  Speaker 2: We're really going to find out if CJ. Bailey can
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  Speaker 2: carry them, because I mean, you look at the amount
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  Speaker 2: that they lost in the transfer portal between Hollywood Smothers
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  Speaker 2: running back and Jacarious Peak at left tackle, and Terrell
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  Speaker 2: Anderson and Noah Rodgers at receiver, Justin Jolie going into
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  Speaker 2: the NFL Draft at tight end. I mean, we're really
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  Speaker 2: going to find out if Bailey is the guy who
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  Speaker 2: can elevate everybody else around him, because I am a
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  Speaker 2: little bit worried about that supporting cast. Right NC State,
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  Speaker 2: they usually put together a pretty good defense, especially on
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  Speaker 2: the back end of it, but offensively it sure looks
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  Speaker 2: like the CJ. Bailey Show, and then a lot of
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  Speaker 2: unproven around him, especially at wide receivers. So look, I've
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  Speaker 2: seen some draft scouts around Twitter and things like that
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  Speaker 2: that say Bailey's one of the elite quarterbacks in the country.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to find that out. If he is, they
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  Speaker 2: can contend in the ACC in a wide open ACC
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  Speaker 2: for that second spot, like we mentioned before, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little bit worried about that supporting cast and the
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  Speaker 2: amount of talent that they lost in the portal, especially.
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  Speaker 3: Our Texters are like toy of Dolin here.
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  Speaker 1: You're on Twitter at CFB Underscore Dalton, so I want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure we get that out there at CFB
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  Speaker 1: Underscore Dalton. College Football Talk preferred walk on show with
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  Speaker 1: MaTx Chadwick as well. Last year Dallin, we had you
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  Speaker 1: on in. One of the first things we asked about
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  Speaker 1: was Bill Belichick. That was the story, that was the
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  Speaker 1: biggest story really maybe a college football entering last season.
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  Speaker 1: And now look out far down the list of questions
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  Speaker 1: he is, and U and T is for this year.
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  Speaker 3: What are you.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking for Bill Belichick year two? Is it going to
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  Speaker 1: be more of the same, Is it going to be
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  Speaker 1: just a disaster? Does he start to make headway? What
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  Speaker 1: do you think if you could even assess it right
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  Speaker 1: now on what do you expect from Belichick and the Heels.
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  Speaker 2: I think defensively they can be okay what he and
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  Speaker 2: his son Steve have built there. On defense, There's some
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  Speaker 2: talented players that they have to work with, especially on
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  Speaker 2: their defensive line, that I think can keep them in
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  Speaker 2: ball games. But they need a total offensive reconstruction from
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  Speaker 2: what they had last year. Right the whole experiment with
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  Speaker 2: Freddy Kitchens and Gio Lopez and everything like that, it
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  Speaker 2: just didn't work at all offensively, And now they're bringing
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  Speaker 2: in Bobby Patrino to try to rebuild the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: and make it kind of to me more of a
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  Speaker 2: college style of right. And even Patrino in his most
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  Speaker 2: recent run here at Arkansas, they weren't very good record wise,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't because of him. They were scoring a
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  Speaker 2: ton of points with Taylor Green and those guys. So
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  Speaker 2: it's really going to be a matter of Patrino modernizing
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  Speaker 2: this offense for the college game because Freddie Kitchens really
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't do that, and then figuring out the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: situation right. Billy Edwards Junior seems to be the veteran
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  Speaker 2: favorite to start there. I know they've got a couple
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  Speaker 2: other young kids behind him that are competing, but he
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  Speaker 2: needs to be healthy. And you know, like we talked
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  Speaker 2: about with a couple other teams here, they need functional
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  Speaker 2: quarterback play. That's really where it starts to create that
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  Speaker 2: two dimensional threat in your offense. But Bobby Patrino, he's
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  Speaker 2: got a heavy task in front of him to try
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  Speaker 2: to modernize this offense, get a lot of transfers to
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  Speaker 2: play well together and just figure out how to score
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  Speaker 2: some points, because that's really the biggest issue from last season, Dalin.
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  Speaker 1: One thing we love about this sport, of many things,
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  Speaker 1: is when teams come out of nowhere and either they
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  Speaker 1: go on a run or we get to know a
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  Speaker 1: program that has either been dorman or not good. Indiana
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  Speaker 1: being the extreme example. I mean, they want to tie,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been Vanderbilt the last couple of years that's
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  Speaker 1: gotten better. Give us a team or two that you
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  Speaker 1: think could really surprise us this year and be much
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  Speaker 1: better maybe than we're thinking.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you two. I think one of
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  Speaker 2: them isn't gonna surprise so much when you consider the
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  Speaker 2: storylines of their offseason. Number one Oklahoma State. Look, they
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  Speaker 2: only won one game last year, but Eric Morrison a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the core of his North Texas team last
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  Speaker 2: year that went twelve and two, including the quarterback Drew Messamaker,
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  Speaker 2: are coming up from North Texas, and I think there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a big improvement and what's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: wide open Big twelve. You know, I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: they'll win it because they have a very, very tough
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  Speaker 2: schedule and an out of conference game against Oregon as well.
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  Speaker 2: But Oklahoma State is going to be a team. They're
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  Speaker 2: gonna win a hell of a lot more than one
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  Speaker 2: game next year. And then a second team that I
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  Speaker 2: think is sneaky and I kind of like their roster
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  Speaker 2: and I love their new coach, Bob Chesney. Look Out
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  Speaker 2: for UCLA. I think out there in the Big Ten,
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  Speaker 2: you still have Niko Yamaliava as the quarterback, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's a decent amount of that James Madison team that
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  Speaker 2: Chesney took to the playoff last year that went over
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  Speaker 2: there with him. I really like the improvements they made
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  Speaker 2: on defense. I think they're another team. I think they
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  Speaker 2: got a solid roster. They only won three games last
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  Speaker 2: year and they had a lot of coaching turmoil. I
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to be better than that. Look Out
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  Speaker 2: for those two teams, Oklahoma State and UCLA.
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  Speaker 1: Max now Max dallin great stuff. I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: how can we find the show with you and Max?
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  Speaker 1: The preferred walk on show. It's on YouTube right.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, the video version on YouTube. We also have the
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  Speaker 2: audio versions on Apple and Spotify wherever else you get
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  Speaker 2: your audio podcast there and we've got two more episodes
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  Speaker 2: today and tomorrow this week, and then next week we
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  Speaker 2: start our full SEC previews, including next Thursday, would preview
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  Speaker 2: every SEC team. It's going to be probably a three
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  Speaker 2: plus hour show. Come and join the fun with that.
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  Speaker 3: You guys are crushing it. I appreciate you, man.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely appreciate it big time. Thank you. Here we goo.
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  Speaker 1: That's Darlin Wasserman again on Twitter. You got to give
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  Speaker 1: a follow at CFB Underscore Dawlin. He's a He's a
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  Speaker 1: guy we put in the machine category college football guests.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: He was just rattling off all the names, all the players,
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  Speaker 4: all the coaches that you're probably having to familiar familiarize
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  Speaker 4: yourself with this time of the year, with so much
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  Speaker 4: you know, turnover, with the way that the sport operates
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  Speaker 4: now under the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he talked about the local teams.
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  Speaker 4: I am very intrigued to see what Oklahoma State looks
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  Speaker 4: like Postmike Gundy and if that's a program they brought
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of guys from North Texas over to them.
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  Speaker 5: Are they gonna win the Big twelve? I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Are they gonna maybe be a fun team to watch
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  Speaker 5: every week? With that offense?
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  Speaker 1: Mes Amaker can sling it went from not playing as
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  Speaker 1: his high school starter to really kind of a guy
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  Speaker 1: to look out for for the NFL draft down the line.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's quite a journey there. That's still in Wasserman.
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  Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk NBA. Are you
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  Speaker 1: familiar with this guy that covers the Hornets fitty name
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  Speaker 1: Walker Meel, Walker Meel of WFNZ. Is that his name,
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  Speaker 1: Walker may On. I'm just kidding, Walker Mayil, our guy
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  Speaker 1: lockdown Hornets WFNZ. We're gonna chat about the Hornets with him,
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  Speaker 1: all that he's seen and thought so far in the offseason,
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  Speaker 1: What could be next? When will they use the trade
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  Speaker 1: ship if they can figure something out here? All these
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  Speaker 1: questions for Walker. Next Sports Radio ninety two seven, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: the talk Hornets with our coworker, our friend, our colleague,
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  Speaker 1: ar Paler, Confidan Walker Mayle. Next segment, We're going to
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  Speaker 1: tell you where Derek Brown ranks in the Jeremy Fowler
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle rankings that he does from the around the
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  Speaker 1: league executives. It's a good day if you are a
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  Speaker 1: fan of Derek Brown. More on that act coming up
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  Speaker 1: later on in the program. Now we turn our attention
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  Speaker 1: to Walker and Hornets Talk Walker, what's up man? Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for doing this today on a busy day that includes
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  Speaker 1: the Hornets quest in defending the Summer Wee Championship.
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  Speaker 2: You guys got your shirts on already?
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  Speaker 3: Have you taken years off in the last year?
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  Speaker 6: No? Well that in the Moosa Antlers I've pretty much
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  Speaker 6: been wearing twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 1: Is the same game where you turn your phone off
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  Speaker 1: type games like this, This means that much to you.
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  Speaker 6: Don't talk to me. I'm locked in. This is serious business.
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  Speaker 6: You can talk to me after the game is done.
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  Speaker 1: Is it wrong that I looked at the roster of
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  Speaker 1: Sion and t Jon and co. With they got they
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  Speaker 1: can do this, right, They're they're poised to maybe do this.
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  Speaker 6: It's so funny, man. Look it's all relative okay, relatively speaking,
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  Speaker 6: this squad is an absolute juggernaut in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: I love it too.
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  Speaker 6: And you know what, I'm not even kind of kidding
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  Speaker 6: about that.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even.
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  Speaker 6: Really a joke in Summer League when you have a
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  Speaker 6: guy like Sion James and Ryan Kalkbrenner suiting up. I
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  Speaker 6: think they're probably gonna play man at most two games,
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  Speaker 6: but probably just probably just a couple contests. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 6: We'll take it to the fact that you have Ti
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  Speaker 6: Jon who is now a summer League VET. At this point,
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  Speaker 6: I think Liam McNeely is gonna be very good. You
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  Speaker 6: got two top twenty overall picks. You got two way
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  Speaker 6: contract guys. I don't know two way contract guys work
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  Speaker 6: out every once in a while. Hello to Moose. Just
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: an absolute juggernaut. Like the expectation for this team, it's
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: championship or bus.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong that? I thought, you know, throw Conn
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: out there for a game or two, let's really run
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: this thing back.
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, it doesn't matter, right, I mean, it's it's
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: like if you were it's you could put Christian Latner
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: out there like it was the Dream team, and whoever
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: he suits up with, he's still going to be on
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: the team that ends up winning by forty points. It
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: really doesn't matter. That's how good this team is going.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I do appreciate you acknowledging Christian Layner was on that team.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that. That means a lot.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not a good thing. Usually like I
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: didn't know.
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Usually when people bring that up, it's because they said, oh,
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: and the other guy that happened to ride the coattails
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: of everybody. I apologize, ma'x not there, so I had
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: to throw a duke sho.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: He's part of the greatest team ever assembled. Can't take
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: him off the walker. What is your current trust level
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: or your faith level however you want a word in
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: in Jeff Peterson right now, maybe from where it was
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: when the offseason started.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: My trust level is.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: Still there with Jeff. Look, we've talked about this to death,
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: the why of the trading of LaMelo Ball, and I
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: think if we want to just bring it down to
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: something extremely simple, it's for a few reasons. It's one,
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: they didn't trust his injury risk. This is somebody that
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: played seventy games once over the last four years. They
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: didn't trust it. Two, with him being extension eligible, you've
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: seen now, especially with the way that the Celtics trader
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: Jalen Brown, they're scared to death about having a sixty
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: million dollar a year contract on the payroll. And three,
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: there probably is a little bit of hey, LaMelo might
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: not be physical enough to play in the postseason when
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: officials swallow the whistles. I think it's a variety of
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: those reasons, and I don't think there's anything behind the scenes.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: I don't think there was any kind of problem between
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: the two parties. I think those are probably the three reasons,
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: and I can understand it. I would not have traded
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: LaMelo Ball. I think LaMelo Ball is an offensive engine
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: that is a suffant and that makes everybody better constantly.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: But if the case is you just don't trust him
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: to hold up well enough, then it doesn't really matter
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: how good LaMelo is if he's on the pine in
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: a boot. So if that's the case, they're going to
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: have more information on that than I do, and at
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: that point, I just don't have a whole lot of
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: room to argue. As far as the health concerns, maybe
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: maybe he's healthy all the way through this upcoming year
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: and that would be great, and I love the bet
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: that the Minnesota Timberwolves are taking by acquiring him. But
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: I can understand the move at this point, and maybe
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: I'm just doing this for my own mental health. Suggest
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: kind of move past all of the pain and try
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: to get to some place of acceptance and understanding but
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: I really am there, Jeff. Here's the thing. If the
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: game in the NBA right now from a general manager standpoint,
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: is the buzzword that everyone is going with now optionality.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: You want to have optionality with your team. Jeff Peterson
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: is winning that game. He's got a million first round picks.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: He's got even more somehow second round picks. And I
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: was listening to the Zach Low podcast. Bobby Marks was
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: on the Low pod and he was saying how valuable
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: it is to have these fifteen million to twenty five
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: million dollars a year contracts on your payroll, just because
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: how tradable they are. And then he gave a shout
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: out to the Hornets and saying they've got like ten,
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: it's valuable to have four, but they have ten of
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: those types of contracts. And there are just all of
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: these different routes that Jeff Peterson can take to make
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: the team better. And ultimately, what it's going to come
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: down to to actually have Jeff Peterson earn the trust
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: back from the fan base is cash in on all
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: of those avenues to improve and somehow winning basketball games.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: Because we can't lose sight of the fact of winning
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: basketball games. Is the most important thing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That is the voice of Walker Mail. You know him
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: here from WFNZ Wes and Walker Show locked on Hornets
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and Fiddy's biological radio father until he dropped them off
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: at our doorstep in a blanket like he's at a firehouse.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But we're not mad about that. We're grateful to take
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in Fitty. Don't worry about that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: Sorry, I'm sorry for all of that, by the way. Yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: that's my fault.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: That's all right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: The Hornets roster right now as it stands, and obviously
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of guys on this roster and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: some things may happen, but it's very interesting the amount
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: of role.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Guys that they have, the guys they picked up.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: From Phoenix, Dorian Finney Smith to go with Grant Williams
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and all the young guys. There's a lot of role
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: players on this team. And I'd say there's four really
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: good players or could be really good players and Kobe
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: nas Miller and Cohn. But with that being said, there's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: not a star are yet there on paper. So when
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you look at Brandon Miller in this upcoming year, how
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: much pressure do you think this roster makeup is going
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to put on him, of all these guys to go
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to that nice level, I.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Think a decent amount on he and Con. I think
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: they're both one A and one B in that scenario
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: where they both probably shoulder the same amount of pressure.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: We had this conversation on wesn Walker. Is there a
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: difference between being the face of the franchise and this
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: being somebody's team? Can that actually go to two different people?
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Because I think kan k Nipple is the face of
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: the franchise now with the fanfare he received almost winning
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Rookie of the Year, should have won it, and also
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: appearing on Jimmy Fallon being the guy that the NBA
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: calls upon to be the rookie correspondent interviewing players in
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: the NBA Finals, Right, He's very visible. I think Con
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: is the face of the franchise. I don't know if
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: that necessarily means that this is his team one. You
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: just have seniority with Brandon Miller having been there a
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: couple of years and now here he is as the
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: longest tenured hornet currently on the roster. It's wild, but
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: you have seniority if you're Brandon Miller. We always go
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: back to the rookie season when he was barking on
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: guys to get back on defense, showing some vocal leadership
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: type qualities, and he is ready for the smoke. I'll
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: remember before the brawl against beef Stew this past season,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: it was Brandon's rookie year when we were kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: frustrated with the Hornet's not stepping up to beef Stew
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: and there were only a couple guys that did. The
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: first one to do it, it was Brandon. Miller then
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: went straight to his face and said, I'm not going
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: to back down. And I think you see that every
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: time he's out there on the court. He likes to
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: talk trash a little bit, He's not afraid, and he
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: doesn't back down. So I wonder if in just different ways,
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: both of those guys are going to shoulder a lot
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: of the responsibility as taking that step up. And I
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: think both of them can. I mean, they're still crazy
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: young and they still have I think the potential to
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: be if not fringe All Star players this year, then
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: maybe outright all Star players. I think it's very possible
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: with those two guys.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Walk there's a little bit of I know that you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have the intel on this, and you can explain this
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in a good way that maybe I can't because you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: have the intel explain what's going on with why the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: trades have not been announced, and you know, I get
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it with the fans and the Texters, there's a little
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: trade panic setting in there without the announcements.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Can you shed some.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Light on what's going on there and when we're gonna
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: maybe find out the trades are announced?
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Well, how fitting on the debut of Summer League basketball
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: this go around that we have to talk about Summer
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: League stand out, if only just for one game. Mohammadu Gi.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: That's right. The guys for Gee movement that took over
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, we're kind of back, so
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: that really it's Mogi holding all of this up. It
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: looks like this thing is going to maybe by the way,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: even be a five team trade, but there's a lot
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: of there's a lot of complications with it. So with
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Minnesota and Chicago and Brooklyn all having that three team
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: trade that sends Julius Randall to Brooklyn, that sends Nick
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Claxton from Brooklyn to Chicago, and there was something that
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: needed to be traded from Chicago and even to Minnesota
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: or Brooklyn to make the deal get done right, So
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: Chicago is trading mo Gee to Minnesota to complete the transaction.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: The problem is with Mogi's contract, there is a trade
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: restriction that can't be lifted until today. So July ninth
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: is the day that Mogi's trade restriction can be lifted.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: That's because he signed with the team April ninths, and
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: that allows for the a lot of time to elapse
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: before he's able to be moved. Just because of some
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: funny business that could take place with the NBA sign
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: a guy that immediately traded the next day can't do it,
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: so you have to wait a few months. Anyways, now
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: that Mogi has his trade restriction lifted, now we can
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: maybe start to see some movement today. Only the only
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: thing that complicates that is I saw something out there.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know how true it is, but I wonder
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: if this Phoenix trade with sending Miles to the Suns
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: and getting Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neill in the pick back,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: So where we see a five team trade actually takes place,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: because we haven't seen the Miles Bridges trade be announced
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: as official yet either, so we could see a five
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: team trade on our hands. And that's the whole reason
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: that we haven't seen LaMelo on the move, and I
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: think it's probably a decent reason as to why we
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: haven't seen Miles officially on the move.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: You explained it well, and some of these things do
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: get a little complicated, like the fact that this is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just Gee's league right now. He's holding up basically half
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the league from moving. It's crazy to thought.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: We thought he was going to do this two years ago.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: But what's also funny about this. You know, it's been
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: about five minutes since I mentioned Moose's name, so I
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: have to beat my quota. But what's hilarious is we
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: all wanted Mogie. I mean, he was so good in
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: that one game and it looked like the skill set
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: from him would translate to NBA basketball. We wanted him
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: to get the two way contract. Who got a two
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: way contract that same offseason, Yeah it was him, Mousiabase, Baby,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: he's the guy that actually got the two way contract. Unbelievable.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: What's coming up today on the West and Walker Show
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: here at noon.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, I've been wrapping my head around the
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: take in response to everybody's reaction to Jeff Peterson's comments,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: and just it's interesting to me. I know people are
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: so frustrated. I can't tell you that I'm surprised about
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: how people are so frustrated with Jeff Peterson's comments, specifically
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: at the Kobe White charity event. Because I understand people
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: are going to be extremely mad about the LaMelo ball trade,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: and it's okay to demand answers. I just don't think
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: that people are going to be relieved when hearing those
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: answers once the time does come and he does host
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: the press conference. I don't think people are going to
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: have their pain alleviated because of all of that. So
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: I want to discuss that a little bit more. We've
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: got Team Week as well. We're continuing to preview the
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: app State football season with our annual Team Week that
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: we're going on for about two months, and we've got
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: some more Panthers rankings to get to. So we got
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: a lot of good stuff, of course, and we got
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: to discuss possibly the greatest summer league of all time.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: We're about to watch this upcoming session.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Awesome, man, we'll be listening. I appreciate you for making
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: time for us this morning. Thank you Walker.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Thanks guys appreciate it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Walker.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Mail there the Wes and Walker Show and locked on
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Hornet's Fitty it something right before Walker came on. Jeremy
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Fowler's list of the top defensive tackles in the NFL
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is out from the executives and they vote on it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Leonard Williams of Seattle number one, number two, Jeffrey Simmons
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of Tennessee number three, Jyalen Carter Philadelphia, number four, future
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Chris Jones of Kansas City in number five,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: who got a first place voting here. Derek Brown love
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: your Carolina about that. He was honorable mentioned last year
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: off the injury, but dB, what to respect. There no
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: shame in being a group with those guys there on
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: those and Quinn Williams of the Dallas Cowboys was once
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: popolo Derrick Brown.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: It's been an off season of respect in a in
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: a positive way for Derek Brown, who I would still
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: argue bone might be the most underappreciated football player in
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: the entire NFL, which is why if the Panthers can
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: win some of these primetime games sometime against Detroit Thursday
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: night football against the Packers Monday night against the Buccaneers
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: could go a really long way for his reputation as
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: what he is around from from around the league.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: But these ESPN.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Guys, they're kind of all over the place when they
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: the way they feel about the Panthers. One day, it's
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Jeremy Fowler giving love to j. C. Horn and and
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Derek Brown.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Well this is the this is Fowler doing the executives
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that vote on it. Executive he puts it all together.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, go ahead, Yeah, Aaron Shotts and ranks
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: the roster twenty fourth, Ben Solak. One day he likes
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: the Panthers, the next day he doesn't like the Panthers.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Those guys at the mothership all over the place, or
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: how they feel about about the home team.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Here's the write up that they have from a veteran
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: NFL assistant coach with how they they planned for Derek Brown. Quote,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: we actively ran our running place completely away from him.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: That's how good he is. The oh man.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: The only reason he's not a household name is he
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: plays for the Panthers.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Oh got it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's respect for Derek Brown. But then
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: what is that supposed to mean, sir, the Panther What
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: does that mean? What are you talking about? I thought
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that was a full respect quote, but then I realized
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: he kind of took a shot the Panthers there at
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the end of that thing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's impossible to just credit the Panthers are
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: being a good football team, like the Panthers are the Yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: but there's oh like they're always gonna be compliment before
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: they're insulted.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Insulted and they'll be complimented.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: It could just never be you know what, that's a
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: damn good football team.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: No, he's going to play Kerwood. It's news.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: It is amazing. It is amazing that there isn't.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: The motion from the national media to trade guys away
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: from the Panthers like they're are with the Hornets, Like
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: the second the Hornets because like you don't get it twisted,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: the hornet starts to lower.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: This year we'll be having.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: So oh yeah, yeah, CON's gonna bene.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: He'll be gone. That'll be the headline.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: That's pretty good.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks Uh. Every once in a while I hit on something.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: There no Derek Brown checking in number five. The rest
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of the list. I mentioned Quinn Williams was number six,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and uh, I here it is right here. I make
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: sure I got this? Uh pulled up here? Dexter Lawrence
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Now of Cincinnati was number one last year he felled
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a seven. Zach Allen of Denver, who's really good? He's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: number eight? How about Milton Williams number nine? We almost
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: paired up Derek Brown with Milton Williams. How crazy would
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: have been. And Jordan Davis of the Eagles, Uh, number
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: ten on the list.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: No other Panthers obviously would would make that list with dB?
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Do we know what what? Which position is next?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I have to find the schedule here. I don't.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I don't really know. I'm not gonna I'll look. I'll
• 30:37
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• 30:39
  Speaker 1: an update?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so Coco goffs.
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  Speaker 3: She's up to to one in the second set.
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  Speaker 5: All right, so that she's the last American standing between.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm pretty sure I just strained my
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  Speaker 1: neck there to the levels I've never done that before.
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  Speaker 4: Between the Ladies and the men's she'll be looking to
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  Speaker 4: advance to her first Wimbledon final.
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  Speaker 5: If she could come back and win the.
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  Speaker 4: Next two sets, that'll set the scene for tomorrow's much
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: anticipated match between Janick Center and Novak Djokovic. At the
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: age of thirty nine, played a five hour and fifteen
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: minute marathon match in the quarters earlier this week. Bone
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: difference in the schedule two days off in between matches
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  Speaker 4: much needed for him. But as we wind down the
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  Speaker 4: World Cup, that's back in action today, he told me,
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  Speaker 4: Morocco without their leading a goal scorer in this event.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out against France, So that's uh. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and say this not what you want against France,
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  Speaker 1: but they're already up against it. That's gonna be uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem there.
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  Speaker 4: So it'll be good to have the world cutback because
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  Speaker 4: I was soccer fitty, football fitty, FIFA fitty was going
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  Speaker 4: through withdrawals.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sound like felt like some was missing yesterday or
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  Speaker 3: a big time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't just back.
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  Speaker 1: Feels like I was gonna say, it feels like some's
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  Speaker 1: missing from the show. We're getting word that he uh,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he comes back today, right, he does come back to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the house today or are you out today?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 4: I'm there through tomorrow afternoon evening. He doesn't get back
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  Speaker 4: coming to like five or six tomorrow Okay, So I
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  Speaker 4: still still got one more night and another day tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: after the after I get off the air, gonna take
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: care of rocket and Bacon.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: We come back. It's the wrap up. Get you set
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: for the day and night in sports. We're gonna get
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: back into fitty what we talked about in the first
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: segment today. What the hell were the Pittsburgh Pirates doing
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: last night? Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNJ.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to get back to the last half a.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: You were talking about burning out the line. Yes, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: didn't think that we could leave that fire convoluted.
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  Speaker 7: Jesse. My oldest has two kids. She's my adoptive daughter,
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: so she's not in my line. So my brother has
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: two kids, and they're in their forties and they're not
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: they're not married.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they're going to have kids.
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  Speaker 7: My two in their forties, they're not going to have kids.
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  Speaker 5: I won't go into to one of them.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: Oh that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: So the line is.
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  Speaker 7: Burnt, burned out, just ended.
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  Speaker 5: There's no passing down.
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  Speaker 6: We're done.
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  Speaker 5: My brother and I are that. We're done.
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  Speaker 3: That all of your collective.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Athletic skills and and your.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Charisma that you and Gary have brought to this earth.
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  Speaker 5: It's just fizzled out.
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  Speaker 7: It just seems like a terrible waste.
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  Speaker 1: I said, that's right there, he is Keith Hernandez and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Gary Cohen, And that said, why, I mean, poor Keith.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I'm glad fiddy that he doesn't, you know, put out
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: all his feelings towards his children out there on the air.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: That's the New York butcher Shop cut of the day,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: worth Cornelia's Indian Land four Mill, Belma and Carrie. I
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: guess the reign of the Hernandez family is coming to
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  Speaker 1: an end.
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  Speaker 3: There.
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  Speaker 4: I was watching the game live the other night, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: I was I had the s n Y broadcast up,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: and I was just sitting there and amazed that he
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: was just I mean, but when I'm pretty open, I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: pretty open on the air with my personal life, like
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: I don't tend to hide things.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: We're glad that Rash went away, but I mean, you
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: could and you could hear.
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  Speaker 5: The pain in his voice that you know when he
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: when he goes.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: That's the end of the Hernandez family line, and it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: one of the most accomplished baseball players of all time
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: should be in the Hall of Fame, and no one's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: there to carry on the legacy. So that's the best
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: part of being a Mets fan. It's not the Mets themselves,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the baseball they play. It's listening to Gary, Keith and
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Ron call these games because these types of stories happen
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: least once a month, Like we have one of these
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: once a month.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: And it's usually it's usually Keith Hernandez.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Speaking of baseball. The Braves win last
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: night three nothing over Pittsburgh. Back in action today twelve
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: thirty five and the series finale against the Pirates. We
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: started the show a little bit annoyed and confused by
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: what the Pirates did last night. The Pirates took out
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: starter Jared Jones at seventy seven pitches with a perfect game. Now, yes,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: he's on a pitch count coming off injury of the past,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: but it's been a trend in baseball for a while now.
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  Speaker 1: The Marlins with Yuri Perez on Sunday at ninety three pitches,
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  Speaker 1: took him out during a perfect game.
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  Speaker 3: Fitty.
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  Speaker 1: These guys that get taken out not during no hitters,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: but during perfect games really bothers me because of the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: historical stuff that's being taken away. There's been twenty four
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: perfect games ever in one hundred and fifty one years
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of baseball. There's been one in the last twelve years.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: No hitters are one thing, but I hate it when
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the perfect games get taken away like that and the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: big man lost the game rightfully.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: So the big issue that baseball is facing is there's
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: nothing they can do about it to make the teams
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: value it. Like, as analytics have become more and more
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: prevalent in the sport, how much control they have because
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: you have like like pitchers have either two rules. It's
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: either one hundred pitches or they don't face the lineup
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: three times. The biggest reason why is what the analytical data.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Analytical data suggests what happens, which is.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: A newer thing in the last handful of years.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Yes, and I get that, I get that Jones is
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: coming off an injury and is on a pitch count,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: But what are the chances they'll be in that situation
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: again to have a chance to chase that magical moment
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: for a Pirates team.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That he's seventy seven pitches, he can't go to ninety
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: or ninety five and see where he's at that point.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, guess what he and the And to make it
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: very clear, a hit, a walk, an error, you're done.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Like the second that this gets lost, I'm taking I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: taking you out. But look at these two teams that
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: have made this decision and this year Iraqically they're both
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: better than normal. The Marlins are a legitimate threat to
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: make the playoffs. The Pirates could be buyers at the
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: trade deadline?
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: What what?
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: What often do you have to give your fan base
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Like I would have if I was a diehard Pirate
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: fan or a Marlin fan, I'd have been ticked, like
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: this could have been something that career. Yes, because, as
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: you mentioned, when you think of pictures, you think of
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: if you look Hernandez perfect game, Matt Cain perfect.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Game, Randy Johnson had one, Randy you know.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: You you start to think about these guys and that
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: perfect game gets attached to them. We've already seen the
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: no hitter be devalued. Because now we have combined no
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: hitters and team no hitters. We're seeing the perfect game
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: not be something that these managers want to chase. And
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: I don't really know how baseball can go about trying
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: to solve it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I really don't what bothers me about the way that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: pictures are handled now as opposed to how they used
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: to be. By the way I looked up a few
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: years ago, when did the one hundred pitch count, the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: one hundred pitch number really start.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: It's not as far back. Early two thousands is really
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: when they started to do a lot more of this.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You get to one hundred hundred and five when you're
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: automatically out. They used to, especially for some of the guys,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: really push the limits on this. To me, it's not
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: about the number of pitches, because we see guys get
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: injured all the time when they're monitored on their pitchcount.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It's what they throw, and it's the velocity. Like Mislerowski
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: from Milwaukee, it's not if he's going to get to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pitches, it's that he's throwing one
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen of them one hundred miles per hour.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It's the velocity to me, and not the amount of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: pitches being thrown that's the problem. Yeah, guys aren't pitching anymore.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: They're throwing, and then they're working pitching around.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: That, and this is another issue that I think plagues
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the sport. And you know this because you've watched baseball
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: day and day. On bases, there's a run every game
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: to get to the bullpen, get to the bullpen. These
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: managers like if they get.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Guys are willing to throw everything out there for five
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: innings rather than base themselves.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, it's okay. If I can get six innings
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: out of my start, are great. If not, well, we're
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: gonna hand it over to the bullpen. And look if
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: your team's built to win that way. I do think
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: you can enjoy that style of baseball. I don't enjoy
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: watching baseball games like that. Like what made Washington Jacob
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Degram so special when when he was at the height
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: of his powers was you knew what he walked on
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: the mound. If he was on he could throw, He
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: could throw a Maddox, he could throw a complete game
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: and do soon under one hundred pitches. He could be
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: he could save your bullpen like they.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Used to be.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: The benefit of having those types of starters bone is
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: those guys could save your bullpens. Well, now we live
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: in a day in time where we have bullpen games
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: because there's not enough starting pitching, and these managers after
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: four or five innings.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: They don't care.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: They'll turn it over to the to these relievers. And
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's good for the sport either. It's
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: why they were flirting with putting in that rule where
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: the starter had to go either one hundred pitchers or
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: six innings. I don't know if you could legislate that,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: but I'm open to baseball forcing these teams to extend
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: their starting pitchers more than they're doing on a regular basis.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, you speak Texter better than I do. What is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Kawhi's laugh talking about here? Fiddy, a pitcher can refuse
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to come out, and if they are still pulled, then
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they can refuse their next start.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: What what is? What does that mean? Anything there on that?
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I don't kind of like Kauhi's laugh. I don't know
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: how to respond to that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, Dick, could you could you say a
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: pitcher can refuse to come out, but.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Someone creates a whole other baseball.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: So many of these decisions are made before because these
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: front offices now run baseball.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And these guys are wound so tight you can't even
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: look sideways at your manager or something may something may
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: pop off. That is the Mac and Bone Show. Thanks
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: for all the text today, the tweets. It's been a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: really fun week. One more show to go coming up next,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: it's the p Man, right. The p Man is in
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: for Colin on Charlotte Sports Today. Then it's Wes and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Walker followed by Kyle Bailey, all Today on Sports Radio
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: ninety two seven WFNZ.