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Corkscrews, Mud, and Beverly Hills · That Car Show

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  Let me tell you, you've not lived until you have driven in
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  rush hour traffic in a 32 Ford Coupe hot rod through Beverly
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  Hills with Mr. Bruce Meyer today on that car show.
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  Lindsay drives every new car available today in one afternoon
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  and picks a winner. Dan gets screwed in the
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  passenger seat of an M4 at Laguna Seca, and I check off a
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  few enthusiast boxes of my own on the streets of Beverly Hills
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  and behind the wheel of a very special Alcoholics gtar.
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  Plus, we divvy up condiments, insult the French, and get all
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  old timey talking about the new Swatch AP collab.
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  You'll never miss the midnight Train to Georgia again,
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  listeners. It's the Car podcast.
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  Hey folks, and welcome to this week's That Car Show.
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  if anyone's. Listening you.
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  Need to change the name of the show briefly.
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  Feel free to stalk. Stalk away, we.
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  Just we got. Dan's in the market for a
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  stalker. You heard it here first.
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  So before we kick off, I did want to give a shout out to the
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  original Porsche Dealership Car podcast.
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  I was listening to the Boys at the First Dibs the other day and
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  Justin, who is one of the two hosts mentioned that he was did
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  a test drive a while back of a 9/11 Turbo and guess what Rd. he
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  quoted? I have AI have a hunch that it
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  was a certain toy the. True story, it was a toll road.
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  Ryan, any guesses? Yeah, 470 for sure, because that
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  is the best tarmac in the state, if not the, you know, West of
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  the Mississippi. It is such a good Rd.
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  It's the closest thing to an Autobahn I think that we have,
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  although I know 470 doesn't want to hear the Autobahn part, but
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  it it's a fantastic surface and is very much where you would
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  want to test drive a 9/11 turbo, so I'm just saying.
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  So it was a strategic move on Justin's part.
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  It wasn't an in ad placement for the record, we didn't do that.
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  Just so happened that he mentioned that that road.
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  So shout out to that podcast. Check it out.
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  We have been up to so much. I'm not sure whether we can cram
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  it all into an hour, but I think we'll try.
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  We. May have to do our first ever 2
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  parter. That's right.
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  Yeah. Lindsay, I'll start with you
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  now. You went to something called
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  Mudfest, and in my head that's Coachella meets Glastonbury,
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  maybe meets the spa. But it wasn't, was it?
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  What was Mudfest? So Mud Fest, and this year it
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  was dry. So Dust Fest would have been a
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  more appropriate name, but the event has traditionally always
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  been called Mud Fest. It's an annual thing put on by
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  the Northwest Automotive Press Association, which is NAWAPA for
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  those in the know. And so it's an annual.
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  Whopper and cheese, exactly? Did you want fries with that?
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  Yes, I love it. So we got to drive 19 different
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  cars and it was at the Ridge, which is a racetrack in
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  Bremerton. So it was a couple hours from
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  Seattle depending on traffic, depending on where you were
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  coming from out on the peninsula here near Bremerton.
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  And they have a, they have a car track, like their main big track
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  is for cars and motorcycles. They also have a go Kart track,
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  which is a, you know, scale version of the car track.
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  And that's actually what we took the cars on was the go Kart
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  track. And then they had, it wasn't
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  auto cross in the sense of like we were racing, but they had a
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  course coned out in the parking lot.
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  So it was flat, but it had a lot of curves to it.
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  And then we had a zero to 60 acceleration and braking zone,
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  which was definitely one of the most fun parts.
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  So you go, you know, and it's a collection of automotive media
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  from the region. And then like somebody came in
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  from Denver that knows Ryan. And then we had a gal come down
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  from Canada who's part of the group.
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  So it was a good mix. And then you drive all 19 cars
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  both days. So the first day was what I just
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  described and then the second day we get to go on like an off
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  road course with all the same cars.
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  And this was the outdoor activity vehicle like sort of
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  selection. That was kind of the types of
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  vehicles we had. So some are designed to go off
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  road and some are very definitely not don't start life
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  as off road vehicles. So that made it really
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  interesting the next day, But it's a great way to test the
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  capabilities. And there were so many amazing
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  surprises where, you know, I'd get in a car and I'm like, all
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  right, I'm really not sure how this is going to go.
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  And it would charge through the off road course And I'm like,
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  well, I don't know if I would take this particular car because
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  it was a good mix of like luxury cars.
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  And then there was a Ram truck and there was a Jeep Wrangler.
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  Those are obviously designed to do off road.
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  But you know, then there was a lucid gravity, like that's a
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  luxury. You know, they call it an SUV.
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  My when I look at it, I typically think it's like more
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  minivan type, but you know, SUV, crossover, minivan, whatever.
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  I don't think you look at that and think off road, but it did
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  the whole course. Yeah.
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  So it should. Have held on to that one.
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  Well, hopefully I will be getting it before too long, but
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  excellent. Would you like to hear the cars
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  that we drove because it was quite a mix, yeah.
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  And just so, just so, at the end of the two days, is there an
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  outright winner? Good question.
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  Yes. So there are several categories.
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  And so you vote at the end of each day, which is it's cool
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  because the days like what you're doing with the cars is
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  very different on each day. So you vote twice, basically, or
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  vote early in Chicago. Kept joking, right?
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  Yeah, We found this box of ballots and then they tally them
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  up and we find out the winner. So I do have the winners also.
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  So we drove an Ionic Honda, Hyundai Ionic 5 XRT, Jeep
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  Wrangler, Moab 392, Kia Sportage X Pro, Mazda CX5 Premium Plus,
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  and then Subaru had three cars. They had the Outback Wilderness
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  and Uncharted GT which I had not gotten to see before so.
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  That was the new EV. It is, and I think it's the one
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  Spike just got for his younger son because they talked about it
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  while we were at the event. They talked about it on his show
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  and the Subaru Trail Seeker Limited, which is another of
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  their EVs. And when I was driving those
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  three, I just kept thinking like Subaru is killing it.
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  They were just so good. You know, we love Subaru on this
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  show, obviously. But yeah, they I got out of it
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  and told the Subaru gal that was there.
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  I'm like, you guys are just running away with it.
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  These are all so good. There was a Toyota Rav 4 Hybrid
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  Woodland Edition, a Volkswagen Tiguan SELR line, Honda Pilot
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  Elite, Hyundai Palisade XRT Pro, Kia Telluride X Pro, Mitsubishi
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  Outlander Trail Edition, a Genesis GV 80 Prestige 3.5, and
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  then a GV 80 Coupe Genesis Again, Lucid Gravity Grand
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  Touring Pole Star for Dual Motor Pilot, and then the Ram 1500
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  Warlock, which is an EV truck. These names are getting out of.
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  I mean every time you walk and it says warlock on the back of
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  the bed. Like that's a male witch, if you
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  didn't already know. It was the best thing.
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  I mean, it just makes you smile and you're like, OK, I have to
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  drive the warlock again. Well, and I love how this we
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  have this this this need to incorporate the word trail with
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  some sort of suffix in into these cars.
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  And just when I think that they've all been taken, what was
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  the trail Finder was that? Trail Seeker.
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  Trail seeker OK, that's that's, you know, so good on them, you
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  know. But I know, right?
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  It's definitely a thing, yeah. Yeah, so I have, you know, there
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  were a lot, obviously 19 cars, but it was pretty much my like
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  perfect couple days because I'm like, oh, I have to drive all
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  these cars. That sounds awesome.
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  Sounds amazing. I'm trying to think of like a
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  few of the kind of notable notables in a field of like 19
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  really good cars. So the uncharted was incredibly
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  quick, super cool interior. It was just one of those like
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  got in it and just instantly went like yes, I could drive
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  those. And it had really good traction
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  off road. Like it did amazingly.
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  The Outlander had a really intuitive interior, lots of Dr.
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  modes, very comfortable seats, super capable off road.
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  And one of the coolest things about that one is that it is in
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  a class of like 2 row SU VS, but it actually has a third row in
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  the back. You would never know.
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  It's got a great cargo area, but you can pop up this kind of,
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  they call it the just in case 3rd row so that if something
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  happens and you have to take more people, you can stick a
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  couple kids back there and then it folds back down and you're
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  good to go. And it's not an oversized car.
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  Yeah, that's it's just kind of a surprising car.
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  They're big in rental fleets currently and I think it's the
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  only model that Mitsubishi currently makes.
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  Check me on that, but I actually see a lot of them and I hear
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  they're pretty decent and. Yeah, it would.
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  That's good to hear. I mean, Mitsubisha, I thought
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  they were, you know, they were goners.
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  And it's good to hear they're back.
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  No, it was it was one of many like pleasant surprises.
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  It was very nice. You would definitely, you know,
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  enjoy it on a trip at a minimum or go buy 1.
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  The Ionic 5 had really responsive steering and it felt
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  luxurious. The pole star felt very at home
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  on the track which was fun. Interesting the RAM so it was.
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  It had a Hemi engine upgrade which I was surprised is only
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  $2500 and I would say worth it for the exhaust note.
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  Who's not getting that? I know, right?
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  Well, and I think I may have misspoken because I think it's a
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  hybrid. It's not an EV, obviously, if
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  it's got the Hemi engine on it. And it was super confident off
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  road as you'd imagine. They had me stop it at the top
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  of one of the big hills with one of the tires in a very deep rut.
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  And they said, OK, we're not. We don't have any of the any of
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  the assistance on. And I want you to just slowly
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  accelerate out and the truck just like right up the hill, not
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  a problem. Let's see the Jeep.
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  Can I interrupt so that ram, the last one I drove had an amazing
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  ride. Did you experience that?
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  I think it's a new ride. One of the best riding vehicles
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  I've I've driven in years. Well, and we were on, you know,
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  grass, dirt, like they did make some mud later in the day for so
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  the event could live up to its name and like gravel and you're
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  going back and forth at high speeds with the different Rd.
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  surfaces. And the truck was one of the
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  most confident, like, you know, slam the brakes on on gravel.
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  That's a loose surface, obviously.
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  And it just was solid as a rock as a Warlock, one might even
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  say. Yeah, that's a vehicle that
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  really surprised me and it's just not on my radar, not
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  anything I'd ever buy for myself.
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  It's just too much of everything.
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  But was really impressed. What makes it so great though?
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  Yeah, yeah. It was really fun and they like,
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  you know, I got to Florida a couple times and that was pretty
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  intoxicating, sounded amazing. I would definitely, I would
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  definitely drive one of. Those nice nice.
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  The Jeep obviously was great off road, the interior was lovely
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  and it had a fun automated rag top like convertible that you
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  could I think up to 55 miles an hour.
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  You can open and close it while you're driving if the weather
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  changes or something. The CX5 had a really nice
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  interior. It was like simple and
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  restrained and I was surprised how capable it was off road.
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  Like I don't typically think of those as off road cars, but you
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  could definitely do some light off roading with it.
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  So I'm going to tell you a secret.
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  So Chubba Cheta, long time editor of of Car and Driver.
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  Guy local to me now, a guy that I've gotten to know a little bit
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  through our map. Our equivalent of the whopper or
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  whatever, right of the Super size.
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  He's got one of those at home. You're kidding.
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  Yeah, he actually bought 1, so that's got to mean something,
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  right? It's always interesting to me to
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  find out what the automotive journalists are buying because
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  with all the cars that you get to drive, like for them to pick
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  one and commit to it themselves, that always makes me go like,
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  OK, there's something there. The gravity was really fun to
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  experience. We got to drive that together.
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  I think at the auto show last year, you know, and I've said a
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  million times, when we got in the air two years ago, I was
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  like, I'm home. This is the best thing ever.
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  You. Know it's a very pleasant space.
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  It is very like, it just feels very welcoming and I got to do
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  launch control in the gravity, which was super fun to the point
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  where like you feel it in your eyeballs.
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  It's just the whole thing was great and they had really nice
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  storage in the console too, like just, you know, a little
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  creature comforts. They the Telluride actually
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  reminded me of kind of a Range Rover and also Rivian esque.
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  Super comfortable seats had a squared off steering wheel,
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  which several of the cars had. So the first day that took a
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  little getting used to, but it had a bunch of different Dr.
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  modes, had great hill descent control.
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  The funny thing was when I put it in mud mode, it stiffens the
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  seat under you. And so I was like, what is
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  happening? So you know, it's a it's an
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  immersive experience. You gotta be.
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  Careful with mud mode. You know, we were in LA when
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  they launched that thing, if you recall.
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  Yes, it was quite, you know, very Range Rover like if you
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  know, and I've yet to drive one, but I was, I was a big fan of
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  the previous one. I thought it was a lot of
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  vehicle for the money. They're hugely popular here in
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  Colorado, I think for good reason, and so I'm excited to
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  drive drive that new one. Yeah, well, and this one was, it
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  was kind of a matte gold. So I think that added to the
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  Range Rover look of this one because every time I walked by
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  the back of it, like especially out of the corner of your eye,
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  you're like, I see what you were going for.
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  The Honda Pilot was super confident on the go Kart track.
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  I think those are great vehicles.
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  It was great. The interior was nice and then
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  the Sportage was comfortable and it had really nice exit graphics
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  and music, which was like a nice little, you know, send you on
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  your way. It was funny.
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  There were a few of the cars that had when you would turn it
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  off this graphic and this little tune would go, you know, would
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  play and the graphic would go across the screen.
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  And it's like, well, I didn't know I needed that, but I'm
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  thinking about it. No, but you better like it
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  because if you don't it's going to be 5 years.
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  I know, I thought about that. I'm like, but can you turn this
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  off? And I mean, and that applies to
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  anything. Not not picking on that car, but
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  it was a nice touch and it was like, oh, kind of sends you on
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  your way with a smile. And it did the whole course like
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  off road, on road. All of that did it just fine.
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  The Rav 4 surprised me. It felt very solid, had an
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  impressively nice interior. The controls were intuitive and
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  it did fantastically off road. They finally have good seats in
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  those things too. Yeah, they were super
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  comfortable and it had these nice little it was I think
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  because it was the EV or a hybrid.
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  It had these little like rose gold touches, which I think is
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  one of their you know, design design designators, but it gave
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  it a luxurious feel. The palisade was super solid
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  under heartbreaking felt really solid overall had some cool
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  details on the seats. Great cameras went up the hills
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  effortlessly. The trail seeker.
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  I could not stop smiling. It was just so good all around.
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  Did have a squared off wheel that was like took a little bit
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  of getting used to, but had a really sleek interior, fantastic
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  acceleration, super solid hardline braking, great handling
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  on the auto cross and the go Kart tracks, super precise
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  steering. Like that was the one where I'm
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  like, OK, Subaru is just killing it these days.
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  The Outback, again, good handling, solid breaking.
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  Like all three of the supers were great.
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  And that was a wilderness. So it made me.
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  Feel like I've spent some time in that.
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  That's one of those cars where, you know, it doesn't really
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  scream in any way, right? But when presented like that in
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  a in a line of others, at least I found myself coming back to
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  that. It was kind of familiar.
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  It was just kind of a lot of glass.
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  It was just, you know, it was just, yeah, kind of felt like
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  home. I was going to say, like, you
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  feel like you're coming home in a way, and we've been lucky to
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  have other Subarus. And so there is an element of
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  like, oh, I know this one, but in a good way, where you're
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  like, oh, I'm happy to be back here.
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  And it was. Even with the CVT transmission,
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  it's a good car. Right.
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  But it was nice to get in that, you know, because there was a
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  lot like I always test, you know, you try to make all the
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  adjustments like adjust the mirrors, adjust the climate, get
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  your seat adjusted the way you want it.
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  Inevitably you'll forget one of those every so often and like
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  how intuitive is it to fix that while you're driving?
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  So it's nice to know like, oh, I know where the controls are in
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  all the Subarus for the most part, or, you know, generally
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  their framework so you can figure it out.
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  So it was nice to drive that they the two Genesis, the GV 80s
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  were just so good. I mean, Ryan, as you know,
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  you've gotten to have some experience with those and it has
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  like a beautiful interior. The acceleration and braking
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  were great. They sounded really good, great
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  on the go Kart track, super confident on gravel, good ground
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  clearance and the hill descent control is great.
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  That was another one where when I was partly done with the off
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  road course in the first one because they were dead, a black
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  and then a coupe and I was like OK, this is really good, at
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  least for this light off roading that we were doing.
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  I don't know that I would take my own if I went and got a
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  brand. New one because of it's
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  beautiful wheels. Yeah, like it's such a nice car,
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  but it's it was a really interesting thought process to
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  kind of think about that throughout the day.
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  Like none of these cars are cheap.
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  Some are more expensive than others, but you know, like
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  they're also really fun. And what especially car
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  enthusiasts love to do is enjoy the cars.
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  So it's like, where's the fine? Like, where's the happy medium
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  of you want to be able to enjoy the car but also have something
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  nice for every day? And it's, you know, especially
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  cars that you don't typically think of as being off roaders.
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  So it's an interesting thought experiment.
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  What? Are you taking home?
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  So, believe it or not, the Tiguan.
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  I think that car is the new one is great.
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  It's got a wonderful interior. The only thing I don't like
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  about, at least here at altitude, there's a bit of a
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  hesitation with the turbo motor until it builds up boost and
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  that drives me nuts. But the interior's fantastic,
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  very Audi like. I think it's a good looking
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  thing. The dynamics are great, so I am
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  glad to be seconded in that. That I know well.
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  And I found this shirt, so I was like, well, that's what I'm
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  wearing for the show. I loved it and I went into it
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  without like no preconceived notions one way or another, no
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  expectations. I got out of it and I
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  immediately wanted to get back in it.
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  Super sleek, very elevated interior, like really high end
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  looking. I think it has a nice graphic
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  either when you get in or out again, which is apparently the
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  weight of my heart. Dan, I don't think you've driven
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  one of these, but it is much closer to your Audi SQ5 than it
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  is to, you know, my old 2017 Tiguan that I had for years.
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  It's just it's like, you know, that was a great car in its own
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  way, but this is just a much, much more modern, you know,
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  upscale interior, that kind of thing.
• 19:37
  Again, much more like your Audi than than you know the the
• 19:40
  Volkswagens if you were. So I'm just thinking, The Last
• 19:42
  Cruise Show didn't we? Didn't we criticize VW for
• 19:48
  leaving their GTI brethren behind?
• 19:52
  And in actual fact, they've just changed to a different audience.
• 19:55
  Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I think you're right.
• 19:57
  I mean, we have definitely had some thoughts about Volkswagen,
• 20:00
  haven't we? And that's I was thinking about
• 20:01
  you guys and I was thinking about Ryan.
• 20:03
  Obviously you had a Tiguan of previous generation and it's,
• 20:07
  you know, we've commented like you can tell when a car between
• 20:11
  models makes a giant leap forward.
• 20:13
  And I think this is a perfect example of that when you compare
• 20:15
  it to the previous one. I mean, it felt like a luxury
• 20:18
  car. Interestingly, talking about
• 20:20
  changing for the audience, you know, that that version I had
• 20:23
  2017, I think it, I think that model went through 18 or
• 20:26
  something, but it was, that was old when we got it, right.
• 20:28
  I think that had come out in Europe in like 2009 or
• 20:31
  something. And interestingly, that car was
• 20:33
  available with a manual at least for two or three years here in
• 20:36
  the States, but only as a front wheel drive, which is, you know,
• 20:39
  something that, you know, didn't do it for us.
• 20:41
  But yeah, I don't know how many of them they actually made, but
• 20:43
  again, you know, they have. Yeah, they've changed for the
• 20:49
  times, I guess, but you know, not that long.
• 20:52
  We could get a manual on the Tiguan and that's.
• 20:55
  Pretty awesome. How do I know?
• 20:56
  Now you can't. Get a manual with GTI but I know
• 20:59
  go. Figure I know, but yeah.
• 21:01
  And they had. The press agree with you on the
• 21:05
  choice. So we didn't really like,
• 21:11
  everybody would kind of like we'd sort of share throughout
• 21:15
  the day, like, oh, would you just drive whatever.
• 21:17
  At least I didn't. I kind of wanted to keep my my
• 21:21
  votes pristine. It's like, you know, the jury's
• 21:23
  not supposed to discuss the case.
• 21:26
  Oh, and I have to say that the massage seats in the Tiguan were
• 21:30
  top notch. Yeah, and there is a difference
• 21:34
  between the quality of the massage from 1 mark to the next.
• 21:38
  Some are just kind of annoying, you know, and others are are
• 21:41
  quite nice. Look, we're telling you it's a
• 21:43
  massage, Yeah? Yeah.
• 21:45
  No, it was, it was really good. Yeah.
• 21:48
  So to wrap this up, would you like to hear the winners?
• 21:53
  Yeah, I, I, I, I would not have predicted the Volkswagen
• 21:56
  necessarily. Right.
• 22:00
  Well, that was so that was my winner and that we have the
• 22:03
  official winners. OK, so the two row family SUV
• 22:08
  was the 2026 Subaru trail Seeker Limited.
• 22:12
  The three row family SUV was the Kia Telluride luxury SUV was the
• 22:17
  Lucid gravity. The pickup truck, because we
• 22:20
  only had one even though we probably would have won anyway,
• 22:23
  was the Ram 1500 Warlock Crew Cab 4 by 4.
• 22:26
  The electrified activity vehicle was the Trail Seeker, the
• 22:30
  extreme capability vehicle was the Jeep Wrangler, Moab Best
• 22:34
  Northwest Outdoor, Best Value Northwest Outdoor Activity
• 22:39
  vehicle was the Toyota Rav 4 Hybrid Woodland and the
• 22:44
  Northwest Outdoor Activity Vehicle of the Year Grand prize
• 22:47
  winner was the Super Trail Seeker Limited.
• 22:50
  Interesting. Yeah, wow.
• 22:52
  So Lindsay, I've got the R map, the Rocky Mountain Automotive
• 22:56
  Press equivalent of the event. You just.
• 22:58
  Did here in about 3 weeks and I imagine.
• 22:59
  It'll be many of the many of the same cars, so we will definitely
• 23:03
  have to compare notes. The problem is we always get
• 23:06
  like 1 Land Rover Defender and that just like, you know, throws
• 23:09
  me off for the. Whole I was thinking about that
• 23:11
  because we did not have one and I'm like had we had. 1 That's an
• 23:16
  impressive line about it. Yeah, it wasn't a bad one in the
• 23:19
  bunch, so. No, they were.
• 23:22
  It was really fun, very cool variety and it was really fun to
• 23:26
  drive those cars in that environment and like put it, put
• 23:29
  them through the paces in a way that you wouldn't normally
• 23:31
  necessarily. So yes, two wonderful.
• 23:37
  You know you are on to something special when you get notice for
• 23:41
  your work and then get commissioned to do new work.
• 23:44
  And I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it or not,
• 23:45
  Ryan, but you've been commissioned to write some new
• 23:48
  articles. Are you allowed to say who for
• 23:50
  and? I think so, yeah.
• 23:52
  Yeah, the good folks at Avant's magazine have brought me in to
• 23:55
  do a couple of features for the the fall 2026 issue.
• 24:00
  Amazing. And so it was a busy week.
• 24:03
  The first one I went out in, in your neck of the woods, Dan, I
• 24:07
  got to see you briefly, but I got to spend the afternoon with
• 24:10
  the legend that is Bruce Meyer. And, and I know Bruce a little
• 24:15
  bit. He was on my previous podcast,
• 24:18
  the Steering Committee a few years back.
• 24:20
  And I knew him through the Colorado grand and seemed to run
• 24:22
  into him a lot and consider him a friend, really nice guy.
• 24:25
  And he was so kind to spend the afternoon with me and a
• 24:29
  photographer by the name of Brandon Faith.
• 24:32
  You should check out his work. He's a great follow on
• 24:34
  Instagram, Beggin, I think under score photos.
• 24:37
  He's got a really interesting back story as well.
• 24:40
  I don't have the time to get into that today, but he and I
• 24:43
  had a wonderful afternoon with Bruce.
• 24:44
  The the idea was we're going to take out one of his analog cars.
• 24:49
  And if you know his collection, you you know he has some of the
• 24:52
  best cars in the world, right? He has the very first roof
• 24:55
  yellow bird. He has the very first Cobra 427,
• 25:01
  right? Shelby Cobra.
• 25:02
  He's got one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:04
  He's CSX 001 or whatever, you know he's got I.
• 25:08
  Think Carol had the first one but.
• 25:09
  The first was that 000 or something?
• 25:11
  But it wasn't a production one. Yeah.
• 25:13
  Bruce Right, Right. Right, Yeah, it has a one on the
• 25:16
  hood, right. It does.
• 25:18
  He's got some really significant Ferraris.
• 25:19
  He's got this beautiful Bitzerini, he's got hot rods
• 25:22
  and, and I even wore my yellow Adidas hoping he'd take out that
• 25:25
  damn roof yellow bird. But when we showed up, the plan
• 25:29
  was to take out one of his 32 Ford coupes and now he's got
• 25:32
  more than one. You know, he I think drove a 32
• 25:35
  Ford coupe at Bonneville the 200 miles an hour.
• 25:38
  This wasn't that car. We, we took out this 32 Ford
• 25:42
  coupe that he had driven to Canada recently and back, which
• 25:46
  is really saying something. So 32 Ford coupe chopped.
• 25:49
  It's got about 3 inches of windshield of glass all around.
• 25:52
  He and I drove this thing up, I guess it's Beverly Blvd. to to
• 25:59
  Mel's diner. The iconic Mel's diner did some
• 26:02
  photos with with Brandon. You know pro tip, if Bruce ever
• 26:08
  says you should go to Mel's Diner and then asks you what you
• 26:11
  ordered when you return, please don't disappoint him like I did
• 26:15
  and say the smoothie. Bruce is not a smoothie guy kind
• 26:19
  of guy. No.
• 26:21
  But you know, you're working, you know, I mean, you know, as
• 26:23
  much as I wanted a, you know, a smash burger or something, it's
• 26:26
  just that, you know, I had AI had a long day ahead of me, but
• 26:29
  like I got the. Pastrami with an egg on it,
• 26:32
  that's. A very little sauerkraut on the
• 26:34
  side. I do that.
• 26:35
  Let me tell you, you've not lived until you have driven in
• 26:38
  rush hour traffic in a 32 Ford coupe hot rod, you know, just
• 26:42
  rumbling away, you know, through Beverly Hills right to Mel's
• 26:47
  Diner with Mr. Bruce Meyer. It's engineered for perfection,
• 26:59
  every contour sculpted for uninterrupted motion, wider,
• 27:05
  smoother, more refined, and drives like a dream.
• 27:13
  Introducing the 2026 E 470 experience.
• 27:18
  The difference he's he's, he's such a great guy.
• 27:20
  He's so generous. Shout out to his collection
• 27:23
  manager, to Tom Kenny, who's just a hell of a nice guy.
• 27:26
  And it's just so fun spending time in that space with those
• 27:29
  cars. I mean, it's, it's spiritual's
• 27:32
  not the word, but it's very special to just sort of be in
• 27:34
  that share that air with those cars.
• 27:37
  And, and Bruce is just such a neat guy as well.
• 27:39
  And so we had a nice conversation.
• 27:43
  Watch out for the fall edition of Avant's magazine for the full
• 27:46
  article. I think the, the photos are
• 27:48
  going to be spectacular, all shot on film.
• 27:52
  So I think it's just going to be a really cool look.
• 27:55
  I'm very excited to well, I, I've got to write the DM article
• 27:58
  first, but I, I promise you it's going to be a really good one.
• 28:01
  No, it's going to. Be.
• 28:03
  Great, but it was just a great trip.
• 28:04
  It was it was quick, 48 hours. Got to see you Dan got to spend
• 28:08
  some time at the Peterson and always get the the very special
• 28:11
  behind the scenes tour, which I appreciate.
• 28:14
  And also got to see our our business manager slash 4th.
• 28:19
  You know, Musketeer head Michael La Sasso.
• 28:22
  What's that Musketeer? That's right.
• 28:25
  Yeah, definitely. And we had a really nice lunch.
• 28:28
  So Michael lives in El Segundo. I've been to El Segundo a
• 28:32
  million times, but I had never been to, I think they call it
• 28:35
  the Old Town part of El Segundo. So you know, every day is a
• 28:39
  school day. Michael's got this really great
• 28:42
  house and sort of the older part of town.
• 28:44
  So if you know El Segundo, it's kind of hemmed in like they're
• 28:46
  the office buildings on one end, like Mattel is there.
• 28:49
  I think Boeing is there. You've got LAX on the other
• 28:52
  side, then you've got like a big refinery from like 1912 that's
• 28:57
  still there refining I guess. And then you've got the one side
• 29:01
  you can actually enter El Segundo in or by and it was
• 29:06
  fantastic. It's like a movie set or like
• 29:08
  this like little town within, you know, the middle of of LA
• 29:12
  tucked. Away.
• 29:13
  Yeah, it's got like a town square with like a gazebo.
• 29:15
  It's got like an old movie theater.
• 29:18
  It's got old corner bars. It really.
• 29:20
  And apparently they do film a lot of movies there for obvious
• 29:22
  reasons. Gonna say did you make a left
• 29:24
  turn and end up on the Gilmore Girls?
• 29:28
  That's what was eerie about it's got been here 1000 times and and
• 29:32
  but we had a really can't remember the name of the the
• 29:33
  place, but had a great lunch. Had a great dinner with you,
• 29:37
  Dan. That what I'd want to call a
• 29:39
  Taco joint because it was upscale dining.
• 29:41
  It was funny. Cinco de Mayo wasn't.
• 29:43
  It cinco de. That's right.
• 29:45
  Shots it was. You have to celebrate.
• 29:48
  Have to celebrate Genesis again. Was kind enough to provide me
• 29:52
  with AG90 black. So this is the the big sedan.
• 29:56
  This is the S class competitor while I was in LA and that's a
• 30:01
  lot of vehicle to pilot around Los Angeles, but I wouldn't have
• 30:06
  wanted it any other way. Supremely comfortable.
• 30:09
  Again, massaging seats, you know, pumps out the perfume.
• 30:12
  It was again, the very, very much the calming, you know, sort
• 30:16
  of atmosphere that you want for 48 busy hours in LA.
• 30:21
  Took it down to Palos Verdes by the by the lighthouse.
• 30:26
  I had visions of taking pictures of the car next to the
• 30:29
  lighthouse. And then I realized you can't
• 30:30
  get anywhere near the lighthouse.
• 30:31
  But it was a wonderful trip. And yeah, it, you know, you
• 30:37
  spend time with Bruce and, you know, like I said, I've done a
• 30:39
  few things with him. And it's one of the things you
• 30:42
  realize once you're gone, how special that time really is that
• 30:47
  you spent. We're so fortunate to do what we
• 30:49
  do, to know these people that we know, to have these experiences
• 30:52
  that we have, you know, but it's kind of snuck up on me a little
• 30:55
  bit, right? And, you know, I'm on the plane
• 30:58
  going home and thinking, like, I mean, how do I ever get into
• 31:02
  this, this situation? Yeah.
• 31:04
  Whose life is this? Yeah, I'm in this car.
• 31:06
  This, this, this hot rod, which is where Bruce really started
• 31:09
  his, you know, automotive enthusiasm, you know, you know,
• 31:14
  cutting through through Beverly Hills, right, you know,
• 31:16
  surrounded by, you know, exotic cars and Bentleys and, you know,
• 31:19
  Porsches and all that. And how badass that is in this
• 31:22
  Black 32 hot rod. Just, you know, loudest thing
• 31:26
  around, right. Pretty, pretty special, pretty
• 31:29
  awesome. And.
• 31:30
  And can't wait to try to encapsulate that experience into
• 31:33
  an article. So that was a that was a fun
• 31:36
  trip. Yeah.
• 31:37
  And then, well. It sounds like what was what was
• 31:39
  John Childenko saying? He's giving up on being cool,
• 31:41
  like he said. Like it's you give up on being
• 31:45
  cool. It's like the definition of cool
• 31:46
  though. Like you're not competing with
• 31:48
  the hyper cars because there's no competition, no.
• 31:51
  That's it. I mean, that's, I mean, I think
• 31:53
  I peaked, you know, it's, I think the pictures are going to
• 31:56
  be pretty fantastic too, you know, and then I came home and,
• 32:00
  and had a few days off before we did another photo shoot for
• 32:05
  Avant's magazine. Again, I don't think I'm
• 32:08
  speaking out of out of out of class here, but our friend Tom
• 32:12
  Horan share the Colorado grand has in his collection of many,
• 32:15
  many cool cars and Alphaholics GTAR.
• 32:20
  If you don't know Alphaholics, it is very much what Singer is
• 32:23
  to Porsche, right? Alphaholics is to Alfa Romeo and
• 32:27
  this is their top of the line car.
• 32:29
  I think the waiting period on these is like 10 years.
• 32:31
  This was one of the earlier cars.
• 32:33
  It's all steel and aluminum I think versus some of the later
• 32:37
  cars which are are are mostly carbon.
• 32:39
  This is a 240 horsepower £1800 car that is just gorgeous.
• 32:46
  It's painted in this Ferrari blue.
• 32:48
  I didn't get a ton of time to to really open it up, but you know,
• 32:54
  we had, we were up early, 6:00 AM for sunrise, this kind of
• 32:58
  thing. Another wonderful photographer,
• 33:00
  Justin Chan, got some amazing photos that I have seen because
• 33:04
  he shot on digital. I think the I think the film's
• 33:07
  probably still being. Processed, that's how.
• 33:09
  It goes but fun morning shout out to Matt Hunter who who drove
• 33:13
  our photo car as well. And again, one of those pinch me
• 33:17
  moments. I'm behind the wheel of this
• 33:18
  very expensive, very special Alcoholics, you know, car
• 33:23
  desperately trying to, you know, maneuver my big size fourteens
• 33:26
  in the pedal box in a way that I'm not, you know, burning out
• 33:28
  the clutch or anything like that.
• 33:31
  And, and just yeah, it's going to be a great article again with
• 33:34
  some great photography and, and can't wait to to share it when
• 33:37
  that comes out and fall as well. So Avant's magazine.
• 33:40
  I appreciate them throwing some work my way, I guess, right.
• 33:43
  So. They do, they do good stuff and
• 33:45
  they recognize talent where they when they see it, so I'm excited
• 33:48
  to read the articles. Kind of say that, yeah, I'm
• 33:50
  excited and and Dan, you've also been busy.
• 33:54
  Yes. So while you guys were having a
• 33:57
  boring time of it, I decided to do a bit of a road trip.
• 34:02
  So I went up to Laguna Seca a couple of weeks ago for the IMSA
• 34:05
  Racing. If you've driven from LA to
• 34:10
  Laguna, it's it's about 5 hours, 5 1/2 hours depending on who's
• 34:13
  behind the wheel. So on the way up, I thought I
• 34:16
  would cut cut up the time and I stopped at Morro Bay and I don't
• 34:19
  know if you guys, have you guys been to Morro Bay, I.
• 34:22
  Know it's beautiful, but I've never been.
• 34:23
  Yeah, so it's a beautiful Bay with a big haystack rock in, you
• 34:27
  know, out in the in the water. What I didn't know was this was
• 34:32
  Friday night. Saturday morning was the Morro
• 34:35
  Bay car show. So I.
• 34:38
  Brought up to my hotel and there was some beautiful muscle cars.
• 34:42
  You know, we're talking really lovely muscle cars.
• 34:46
  What wasn't so lovely was at 4:00 AM the as they started to
• 34:51
  place the bastards. So I got a very early start the
• 34:55
  next day to get up to Laguna Seca, which was obviously not
• 34:59
  intentional. But what it did mean is that I
• 35:00
  got to take the highway the the coast road super early.
• 35:05
  So I hit that road about 7:00 AM and it was a perfect drive.
• 35:11
  You remember these perfect drives right Where you.
• 35:13
  Just never happened. Everything, everything comes
• 35:16
  together. I mean I was in my Audi's, I
• 35:18
  wasn't in the sports car, but I was overtaking things.
• 35:21
  I was just enjoying the view, enjoying the road and that was a
• 35:26
  perfect drive up to Laguna. There was a great weekend, the
• 35:29
  racing going on. I was lucky enough to spend some
• 35:33
  time with BMW. They kindly said to me would I
• 35:37
  like to go on a hot lap? So I I'd never been on the track
• 35:41
  at Lagoon and believe it or not, I've been there so many times.
• 35:44
  You know, I know where all the good viewing points are and
• 35:46
  everything, but I've never been on the track.
• 35:48
  And now you know where all the actual good viewing points are
• 35:51
  on. Yeah, I know.
• 35:53
  I think I saw your post about this and I really wonder what it
• 35:55
  was like. There's a video on my Instagram
• 35:58
  and it was interesting. So this was an M4 with a very
• 36:03
  professional driver. I managed to get the front seat.
• 36:07
  I did offer the rear. I did offer the front seat to
• 36:10
  the 2 ladies that I travelled with.
• 36:12
  They wanted to stay together. They wanted to yell together and
• 36:14
  apparently they've created some some Instagram moments as a
• 36:18
  result. But I was in the front seat with
• 36:19
  my glasses on my my meta glasses.
• 36:22
  The no one prepares you for the Corkscrew.
• 36:27
  The Corkscrew is a climb to a blind corner.
• 36:33
  You literally. Altitude to.
• 36:35
  Get the top. It's a blind corner.
• 36:38
  It's a leap of faith. And then you, you drop 7
• 36:42
  stories. Seven stories.
• 36:45
  So that's like 2 houses, Three houses in height, right?
• 36:48
  Yeah. In the space of about at speed,
• 36:50
  Yeah. You see the nose of your car
• 36:54
  pointed up. Right in the end, like it's.
• 36:57
  The most disconcerting You're just like, what are we?
• 37:00
  All right? Here we go.
• 37:03
  So yeah, so it was an amazing experience.
• 37:05
  A big thank you to BMW North America for putting me in the
• 37:08
  seat. And yeah.
• 37:12
  Dan I've only ever been a spectator there and I was
• 37:16
  shocked at just the geography as a spectator.
• 37:20
  I someday I'll do it, but I cannot imagine what that's like
• 37:23
  behind the wheel. They don't build tracks like
• 37:25
  that anymore. They just don't.
• 37:27
  And and it it doesn't, it doesn't translate in photos or
• 37:30
  video games or anything like that.
• 37:33
  It is just one of the iconic, I guess turns in the world.
• 37:37
  It's really special. I'm so glad you got to do that.
• 37:39
  That's so cool. And you walk away with a better
• 37:42
  appreciation for these drivers. Like, I wish I could drive at
• 37:48
  50%. How good that driver was that
• 37:50
  took me around that track? Yeah, yeah, Like 50%.
• 37:52
  I'd be happy. Yeah.
• 37:54
  But yeah, no, it was a fun, fun weekend.
• 37:57
  And yeah, it was, it's a, it was a good, good event and good to
• 38:03
  see some few familiar faces at the track.
• 38:05
  So. You've driven that.
• 38:09
  So I got to be a passenger in the Shelby.
• 38:11
  I haven't driven it. Long story, I was supposed to
• 38:13
  drive it a couple years ago and it did not.
• 38:15
  There was a series of unfortunate events, but I when
• 38:21
  in 1997, they were honoring Shelby as one of the featured
• 38:24
  marks. And so I had helped my dad get
• 38:27
  the rear end back in the car. And so we got to do the parade
• 38:30
  lapse and he said, all right, you helped.
• 38:32
  So you get the front seat. And I mean, like Dan said, like
• 38:37
  nothing prepares you for the Corkscrew.
• 38:39
  We got to it. And, you know, I'm obviously not
• 38:43
  driving, but I remember like kind of all of us at the same
• 38:45
  time just going like, and then down you go. 29 years ago and
• 38:51
  you remember it like it was yesterday.
• 38:52
  I know. And you were six at the time,
• 38:54
  which is. I mean, I was really in utero,
• 38:56
  but neither here nor there, Yeah.
• 38:59
  Zygote Lindsey. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:01
  I mean, truly, I can picture the nose of the car and just sky and
• 39:06
  I think, you know, and I think about like my dad had his three
• 39:10
  kids and one of my cousins in the car.
• 39:12
  So I'm like, I know what it felt like as the passenger.
• 39:14
  I can imagine what it feels like as the driver just in general.
• 39:17
  And then on top of that, you're like, and I have all my kids in
• 39:19
  the car and somebody else's child and what it was.
• 39:22
  What's the line, the line from Stand by Me, my favorite movie
• 39:26
  and Dan's and possibly yours, Lindsay.
• 39:27
  But we got to savor these moments, right?
• 39:29
  I mean, it's it's I'm I'm butchering that.
• 39:31
  But but but you know, they're special, right?
• 39:34
  Whether it's spending time with Bruce, whether it's, you know,
• 39:37
  the Corkscrew at Laguna, you know, whether it's highlighting
• 39:41
  a Subaru through the mud. I mean, but I mean, just we're
• 39:43
  so fortunate to have these these experiences, right?
• 39:46
  Yeah. Well, and you make a good point.
• 39:48
  Like I didn't think about, I mean, that was coming up on 30
• 39:51
  years ago and I truly do remember it, you know, and I
• 39:54
  would imagine Dan's gonna remember it forever.
• 39:56
  I mean, because there is no way to prep either.
• 39:59
  So it's sort of compounds the the impression that it makes on
• 40:03
  you. Yeah.
• 40:03
  Yeah. Anyway, I've been away from
• 40:08
  Washington state for a year now, which is hard to believe.
• 40:12
  Like the folks up there are making some crazy moves with
• 40:16
  their planning of road and infrastructure just outside of
• 40:20
  Kirkland. Wasn't that the best link ever?
• 40:22
  Come on the. Master.
• 40:24
  Of. The Segway the the folks.
• 40:27
  So there's a little town just outside Seattle called Kirkland,
• 40:31
  and it sounds like they've got a bit batshit crazy with their
• 40:35
  road infrastructure. Yeah, well, and I always tell
• 40:38
  people, you know, they ask about the weather and and they sort of
• 40:42
  geography and the scenery. And I always say, well, we're on
• 40:44
  the same latitude as England, so the scenery looks the same.
• 40:48
  I remember when I first came here, I'm like.
• 40:49
  That's why you like it with. All the trees, right?
• 40:52
  The weather is very similar. And I think they've just taken
• 40:56
  the next logical step, which is they're going to transform all
• 40:58
  the intersections into roundabouts, apparently.
• 41:02
  And so Kirkland is now the proud owner of and real Brits.
• 41:07
  And Dan, I consider you in this group.
• 41:10
  It's not a true triple roundabout in the sense that one
• 41:12
  doesn't feed directly into the other.
• 41:15
  But in the States, for all intents and purposes, they just
• 41:17
  put in a triple roundabout in Kirkland, which like people in
• 41:20
  the States have trouble with one single lane roundabout.
• 41:25
  So they're like, we're just going to really mess everything
• 41:27
  up. And it's the intersections that
• 41:30
  they have redone. We're functioning perfectly fine
• 41:34
  in terms of like it was something I drove multiple times
• 41:37
  a day every day, never an issue. This project is probably going
• 41:42
  to be 3 years long. I think we're a year and a half
• 41:44
  or two into it. It's been like non-stop chaos
• 41:49
  leading up to this point where like the number of times that my
• 41:52
  daughter and I would come back from the airport and the off
• 41:54
  ramp was completely changed and it's dark and whatever.
• 41:58
  I'm amazed there were more accidents while they were
• 42:00
  putting this together. So they've now instead of just
• 42:04
  having, we used to have cloverleaf on and off ramps to
• 42:07
  the freeway, they have taken those completely out.
• 42:09
  They dugout under the freeway to put in these roundabouts, taking
• 42:14
  out all the traffic lights. As you'd imagine.
• 42:16
  I just didn't realize this was part of the project.
• 42:18
  And they've put in there's a roundabout like under the
• 42:22
  freeway and then there's one on either side of the freeway and
• 42:25
  it's just madness. And the, I mean, and it's like,
• 42:28
  to compound the absurdity of it, the Kirkland city government is
• 42:32
  posting on Instagram. They're like, great news.
• 42:34
  The roundabouts are ready to go. Just remember to follow the
• 42:36
  signs and pick the lane you need to be in.
• 42:38
  And I'm like, no, but that's what people can't do.
• 42:41
  Like, yeah, that is the essence of why it's such a difficult
• 42:44
  thing here. Yeah.
• 42:44
  I mean. We just didn't grow up with
• 42:46
  this. Right.
• 42:47
  We didn't grow up, no. It's just that we didn't grow up
• 42:49
  with it. And, you know, at Wisconsin,
• 42:51
  where, you know, I was born and where my, you know, family all
• 42:54
  lives, they've gone, you know, roundabout crazy as well.
• 42:57
  And it's just they take up so much land relative to, you know,
• 43:02
  the alternatives. It's just, you know, if that's
• 43:05
  what you're used to, if that's what's always been there,
• 43:06
  wonderful. But incidentally, the only place
• 43:09
  here in in Denver that I can think of that has three in a row
• 43:11
  like that is the entrance to our Costco Kirkland.
• 43:15
  Get it? There's a conspiracy here,
• 43:18
  right? Like ways of getting.
• 43:20
  Better as we go through. I know it's all part of a grand
• 43:23
  plan and we're going to glitch in the matrix as we figured it
• 43:26
  out right here on that. That's it.
• 43:28
  I think I'm a pretty good driver, but I, I was daydreaming
• 43:32
  the other day and I, I stopped, you know, short in one of those
• 43:35
  because I, I just, I wasn't paying attention and there was
• 43:38
  someone approaching it just the right time and I had to sort of
• 43:40
  process like, well, who gets to go and this kind of thing?
• 43:43
  So it's just it seems like make work.
• 43:45
  It seems you know, it seems like it's.
• 43:47
  Definitely busy work, like we're just creating.
• 43:50
  I mean, and you know, the obviously the contractors are
• 43:53
  happy to laugh all the way to the bank.
• 43:54
  But yeah, I mean, I went through it twice yesterday just because
• 43:59
  I'm like, I got to go check it out.
• 44:01
  I mean, I was, I was sort of morbidly curious.
• 44:04
  I'm like, this is a mess. I mean, like we were talking
• 44:07
  about it at my house and it is a major.
• 44:09
  Like, it's a major, you know, intersection with the freeway,
• 44:13
  major freeway access right there.
• 44:15
  It's a major Rd. through town. Like it's a huge part of getting
• 44:20
  around here. And our gut reaction was like,
• 44:23
  well, I guess we have to find alternate routes because that's
• 44:25
  going to be a nightmare. And now we have to find
• 44:27
  alternate routes away from this, what used to be a very
• 44:30
  convenient thoroughfare. I can't even imagine what it's
• 44:33
  going to be like at rush hour. I went through it in the middle
• 44:36
  of the day and there were people you could tell that had been
• 44:39
  stuck on the sides trying to figure out how to get into the
• 44:41
  roundabout. You're like, well, yeah, yeah.
• 44:46
  Learn us a thing or two here about roundabouts, because isn't
• 44:48
  it in European vacation where they find themselves in a
• 44:51
  roundabout that just sort of keeps going roundabout?
• 44:53
  Is that in the UK or is that somewhere else?
• 44:56
  I, I was going to say, so there's a couple of things.
• 44:57
  Firstly, I think the next step in the master plan is that auto
• 45:01
  collision repair centers are going to sponsor those
• 45:04
  roundabouts. Right.
• 45:05
  Off my words. Yeah.
• 45:07
  There is something in a place called Swindon.
• 45:10
  That's the magic roundabout, and we'll get Ryan to insert a
• 45:14
  picture of said magic roundabout.
• 45:17
  It is one major roundabout with eight roundabouts on the outside
• 45:21
  of the one roundabout. It seems like an.
• 45:25
  Evil joke. Yeah.
• 45:26
  Yeah. So even as a Brit, that's a
• 45:28
  nightmare for you. OK, so that's yeah, that's a,
• 45:31
  that's a bridge or a roundabout too far.
• 45:34
  Yeah, very much so. You've got it bad, but you
• 45:36
  haven't got it really bad, Lindsay.
• 45:38
  Right. Well, I kept thinking of have
• 45:40
  you driven the silly aisles in London?
• 45:43
  And that's a 11. But that was all I kept thinking
• 45:46
  was like, we've got our very own silly aisles with a bonus extra
• 45:49
  nightmare on the end. But that's an actual double
• 45:53
  roundabout where the roundabouts are connected to each other.
• 45:56
  We do love our roundabouts though.
• 45:57
  I remember a few years ago just outside where I grew up, there
• 46:01
  was a famous artist and he would put different art in the middle
• 46:04
  of the roundabout at night. So you would appear like the
• 46:07
  next day and suddenly be surprised because there's a guy
• 46:10
  rowing a boat. Or what you need.
• 46:12
  Yeah, maybe. Maybe you and Tori can go and
• 46:16
  create some art. Well it's funny that you and he
• 46:19
  had the same thought. He was like the only people that
• 46:22
  are going to win are the auto collision repair shops here.
• 46:26
  Right. I mean, at least initially it's,
• 46:29
  it's just such a strange, you know, it's one of those things
• 46:32
  where it's like we've all been in companies or whatever where
• 46:35
  they're like, oh, the budget, you know, end of your budgets
• 46:37
  coming up. We got to spend this money.
• 46:39
  We're like, this feels like the most enormous public example of
• 46:43
  like, we got to spend this money or we're going to lose it.
• 46:45
  Yeah, yeah, I'm impressed. You called it a roundabout, not
• 46:49
  a traffic circle. So that's 10 points to you it.
• 46:53
  Was one of those things where it was very funny when I was
• 46:55
  driving a lot of the SUVs at Mudfest and I kept being
• 46:58
  grateful for my like track experience because I knew where
• 47:02
  like I knew what a lot of the markers meant on the go Kart
• 47:05
  track and I kept thinking like this is not a way that I ever
• 47:08
  thought I would be applying these skills and it was the same
• 47:12
  thing like I'm I was grateful for the time that I've spent in
• 47:15
  England when I was trying to drive these roundabouts
• 47:17
  yesterday like didn't think I'd be applying those skills here
• 47:21
  but. It's your steering wheels on the
• 47:23
  the correct side of the car. Yeah.
• 47:25
  Advanced training from England. Can we talk about customer
• 47:29
  loyalty? We can.
• 47:30
  So this was a recent report I saw and slightly inspired by a
• 47:34
  conversation I had with someone a few years ago.
• 47:36
  So I'm going to say it's a few years ago.
• 47:38
  It may not be current, but when I was talking to that
• 47:41
  individual, he had recently left McLaren and he said the customer
• 47:47
  retention for McLaren. So retention defined as a
• 47:50
  customer buying a second McLaren, so selling the first
• 47:53
  one buying a second was less than 5%.
• 47:57
  Wow. That is shocking.
• 48:00
  Wow, even. From McLaren.
• 48:02
  On the flip side of that, I've got a list of the most loyal
• 48:06
  brands, so. Can I guess?
• 48:11
  Yeah, so let's do. And this is going to add insult
• 48:13
  to injury. It's probably General Motors do.
• 48:17
  You know what? General Motors isn't even on the
• 48:19
  top 20. Oh no, it's obviously.
• 48:21
  Ford. Ford are at six.
• 48:25
  OK. And these are percentage
• 48:27
  numbers. I'm wondering whether if you get
• 48:29
  above 60%, so there's only two brands that are above 60%, does
• 48:33
  that officially become a cult? Well, it depends.
• 48:37
  It's. One of them Porsche.
• 48:39
  Tesla is it #1? OK, then yes.
• 48:44
  So the cult of Tesla at 61.1% loyalty?
• 48:49
  Wow, that's. Impressive.
• 48:51
  Pretty damn high. Porsche made it in, but only at
• 48:53
  17 is it. Top 20 or whatever. .7 Yeah,
• 48:58
  this is the top 20. 46.7. Porsche, well, I think you guys
• 49:03
  need to guess the top three and we've mentioned Lexus got three
• 49:07
  a lot. Lexus has got to be up there.
• 49:09
  No. No Toyota.
• 49:12
  Oh, Toyota, Toyota at #3 So we have Tesla something Toyota,
• 49:19
  Honda #5 OK. Is it domestic?
• 49:27
  No. OK, OK.
• 49:29
  Mercedes-Benz. #10 we could be here all night.
• 49:33
  Wow. OK, we need to get one more
• 49:35
  guess and then you have to tell us.
• 49:37
  You've mentioned them numerous times tonight.
• 49:41
  Subaru. Subaru number 2.
• 49:44
  So Tesla is 61.1%, Subaru is 60.5%.
• 49:53
  So that's about 60. So is there a cult of Subaru?
• 49:56
  Yeah, I think. You could argue that there's
• 49:58
  like a healthy cult of Subaru. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:02
  And then Toyota is at 59.9 and at #4 is an Italian sports car.
• 50:12
  Ferrari. OK, OK, so the top, yeah, the
• 50:16
  top five round out Tesla, Subaru, Toyota, Ferrari and then
• 50:21
  Honda. Well, is that loyalty or is that
• 50:24
  some sort of forced loyalty? You know, if you want to buy a
• 50:28
  another, you know, that's just, you can't just buy one.
• 50:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe.
• 50:33
  Well, that actually brings me on to my second chart.
• 50:36
  Yeah, the Ferrari are the best in the world of making profit
• 50:41
  per car, right? It's a known fact.
• 50:44
  They do two things really well and they're publicly, you know,
• 50:47
  knowledgeable about this. The first thing is they always
• 50:50
  make 2 less cars than they have demand for, creating a market
• 50:54
  demand. And secondly, they make the
• 50:57
  highest profit per car of any car company in the world.
• 51:01
  So this second report talks about how many cars do a
• 51:06
  manufacturer have to sell to achieve the profit levels of 1
• 51:09
  Ferrari. Does that make sense?
• 51:12
  Yes, yes. And which other companies are
• 51:15
  masters of making profit over their costs, right?
• 51:20
  Yeah. So do you want me to do you want
• 51:23
  to guess on the top three? Yes, like, OK.
• 51:26
  I think Porsche is nearing Ferrari.
• 51:29
  No, in it Porsche isn't even on the list.
• 51:32
  OK. Interesting Toyota.
• 51:35
  Sorry, I take that back. Porsche is halfway down the
• 51:38
  list, so about 15. Give them five years, they're
• 51:41
  going to be #2 you watch. There we go.
• 51:43
  They're. They're doing their best.
• 51:45
  Just squeeze us. So it's I.
• 51:48
  Think the thing, well, I think just let me clarify.
• 51:50
  I think the thing with Porsche is it's not the manufacturer
• 51:53
  that's making the profit, it's the dealerships because they're
• 51:56
  putting the aftermarket costing. Right.
• 51:58
  That's a good point. That's a good point.
• 51:59
  OK. So would that be so Lindsay,
• 52:02
  your guess was? Toyota.
• 52:05
  No. So the top three are all, well,
• 52:09
  I guess two, I would say a luxury and one is not luxury.
• 52:13
  The good on the list? No, I'm curious, OK.
• 52:16
  So #1. Yeah, did you want one more
• 52:19
  guest, Lindsay? Are you are you less of a garlic
• 52:23
  eating surrender monkey that? Might be my new instantly my new
• 52:29
  favorite insult. There we go.
• 52:31
  It's a new the episode of Nothing Else.
• 52:33
  It's what ground people Willie calls the French.
• 52:38
  Garlic eating surrender monkeys. We are here for you.
• 52:41
  Let's see, BMW A. Few moments later, yeah, they
• 52:54
  came in at #4. It's the true one.
• 52:56
  So BMW, you have to. Tell not too far off. 55 cars,
• 53:01
  they have to tell 55 cars to achieve the same level of
• 53:05
  profit. So that gives you an idea of the
• 53:06
  sort of volumes we're talking. So number one, it's our friends
• 53:13
  at Jaguar Land Rover. They have to.
• 53:16
  Sell 12 cars in order to. Well, that's all they sold Dan.
• 53:20
  So I think this is thrown off then.
• 53:23
  Well, no, this is Jaguar Land Rover, not.
• 53:25
  Just Jaguar. That's that, that's what we all
• 53:26
  know. Defenders killing it so and.
• 53:28
  Then yeah, the majority of that will be Range Rovers that are
• 53:30
  highly specced and everything else, right.
• 53:32
  Yeah. So at #2 and they have to sell
• 53:36
  38 cars. And I don't really believe this.
• 53:38
  It's Tesla. OK.
• 53:41
  But you know, why have you been in a like a 2026 Model 3 versus
• 53:47
  a 2012 or 15 or whatever it is when they first came out?
• 53:51
  No, go on. Quality.
• 53:52
  I was going to. Say, had they streamlined your
• 53:54
  efficiency? When you do you remember getting
• 53:57
  into one of those early cars? I'll never forget the first time
• 53:59
  I drove 1. Flew into LAX, got one from
• 54:01
  Hertz. I was so excited.
• 54:02
  Had that beautiful interior, all the materials were great, had
• 54:05
  the wood across the dash. Everything just felt like a
• 54:08
  luxury car. Fast forward to now, and I got
• 54:12
  in a brand new one. We were very excited to see one
• 54:15
  come up as a lift. And what used to be wood, what
• 54:18
  used to be fabric, cheap, shiny plastic now, right.
• 54:22
  It, it, it was shocking. It was jarring.
• 54:24
  You know how how far you know the Tesla Model 3 had fallen.
• 54:28
  And so I think if they're finding such profit, that's
• 54:32
  where they're finding it. Yeah, they're gold.
• 54:35
  There's gold up they're up there.
• 54:36
  And then plastic hills. Dan, it's.
• 54:38
  Well, that here's your that car show.
• 54:40
  Top tip by shares and Tesla there.
• 54:43
  You go. Right.
• 54:44
  And the number three with 45 cars.
• 54:48
  So you have to sell 45 cars that achieve the same level of profit
• 54:52
  as A1 Ferrari. It's Mercedes-Benz.
• 54:55
  Interesting. So it's super interesting, but I
• 54:58
  think we need. Sorry to interrupt, but is this?
• 55:02
  Should we look at this list as sort of inverse to the cars we
• 55:05
  want to buy? Because, you know, you mentioned
• 55:08
  Mercedes-Benz and you think of, you know, 124 right from the 90s
• 55:11
  or whatever, early 90s and just what a tank that was versus a
• 55:15
  much more modern but much less tank like modern Mercedes-Benz.
• 55:19
  I mean, should we be looking at the bottom of the list for cars
• 55:22
  that we want to actually buy ourselves?
• 55:24
  I'm curious like what's just a good?
• 55:27
  I was thinking more is like, is there more room for negotiation
• 55:32
  based on the fact that they're making more profit per car?
• 55:35
  I don't know. I think we need to pour one out
• 55:38
  for Mazda because Mazda needs to sell.
• 55:43
  Has everyone sat down? Mazda needs to sell and this is
• 55:46
  probably their annual sales figure.
• 55:49
  They need to sell 3498 cars to achieve the same level of profit
• 55:55
  as one Ferrari. Poor Mazda.
• 55:58
  You know, they're the the real Japanese enthusiast brand, you
• 56:02
  know, have always been as, you know, they are now.
• 56:06
  But they just I don't know how they compete because they're
• 56:08
  just exponentially smaller right than than the the domestic
• 56:12
  competition. And but that's a shocking
• 56:14
  number. I didn't realize that things
• 56:16
  were so bleak for them. I mean, are they going to be OK?
• 56:21
  Mazda like, I mean. People are buying their cars
• 56:25
  still, aren't they? I mean, they're they're really
• 56:27
  wonderful cars in in many, many ways, right?
• 56:29
  I mean, it's give me ACX 5, right, versus a Ford Escape or
• 56:35
  something CS CX5, you know, all day long.
• 56:39
  I think the interior design is great.
• 56:40
  I think they man, that's really what can they change to machine
• 56:48
  sell. Themselves.
• 56:48
  The Tesla. You know, they don't have a lot
• 56:52
  of EVs, right? I mean, right.
• 56:56
  And so I would think that the profit margin on an EV is
• 56:58
  naturally going to be much greater.
• 57:00
  Moving parts, right? Right, right, right.
• 57:02
  Yeah. And then do they have an EV?
• 57:04
  Does Mazda have an EVI? Think just hybrid.
• 57:08
  Yeah. I think Porsche had to sell 176
• 57:12
  cars well. That's considering, you know,
• 57:16
  they're the closest thing probably to Ferrari in price
• 57:18
  and, you know, compared to most of the others, right?
• 57:21
  Yeah, that's but Volkswagen were 126 cars.
• 57:25
  OK. They're doing all right, general
• 57:28
  motorists, 74 cars, so that's a lot of Corvettes.
• 57:32
  Yeah. Well, now that in, in, in
• 57:35
  Corvettes, you know, they've, they've really bumped the the
• 57:37
  prices up in the Corvette, right.
• 57:39
  It's which I think was smart, this perceived value too, which
• 57:42
  you know, right? Is is unless they're going over
• 57:44
  the hill at Laguna Steca without the brakes working, We've all
• 57:49
  seen that video. Yes, we have.
• 57:52
  So anyway, that was the list. I think it's time for some
• 57:57
  consumer advice. OK.
• 57:59
  Lindsay shared a new story with us that was a bulletin
• 58:04
  announcement internal at Toyota. So do you want to tell us a
• 58:07
  little bit, Lindsay, about what that was all about?
• 58:10
  So they sent out a service bulletin telling the service
• 58:14
  departments which oil they could substitute in the short term
• 58:18
  because the Shell refinery in Qatar is completely offline.
• 58:23
  And what is it? Shell and maybe mobile?
• 58:27
  I'm not remembering both correctly, but two of the oil
• 58:30
  companies had let Costco and Walmart know that they have no
• 58:34
  product packaged to send. So they're likely will be empty
• 58:39
  shelves in the future. So, you know, I was thinking
• 58:43
  about and then I know Dan, you shared you had bought some oil.
• 58:45
  I have a car that's going to need an oil change before too
• 58:47
  long. And I started thinking like,
• 58:49
  should we go stockpile? But I feel like, I feel like
• 58:52
  then you could create like a run on the bank.
• 58:54
  Basically, if everybody runs out and buys oil, you know, just in
• 58:58
  case, it could be like is is motor oil the new toilet paper?
• 59:04
  Yeah. So are these weights specific to
• 59:07
  Toyota or? Yeah, it was just the idea that
• 59:10
  Toyota knows that like they are anticipating a significant
• 59:14
  shortage. And so they've looked at it and
• 59:15
  said like, OK, we obviously want to keep servicing people's cars,
• 59:18
  and we want people to be able to keep driving them.
• 59:20
  So temporarily, here's what you can substitute.
• 59:23
  Yeah, it was like, that's you. Don't want to substitute an oil
• 59:26
  like that's not a that's not something you want to do, you
• 59:29
  know, in a modern engine with the tolerances and yeah, that's.
• 59:32
  That's why it was like, it's got to be pretty desperate if
• 59:34
  they're like, OK, so on a temporary basis, I want to say
• 59:38
  it was like 8 weight and 16 weight and they were saying you
• 59:41
  could substitute 20 weight for it, but.
• 59:44
  Doesn't that depend on where you are and other factors?
• 59:48
  I think you have to think that Toyota are masters of global
• 59:53
  supply chain, right? Obviously they probably sell
• 59:57
  more cars than pretty much anyone.
• 59:59
  So if they are thinking ahead and potentially.
• 1:00:03
  Yeah, I'm going to do a road trip in the Audi again, so I
• 1:00:06
  just bought a quart of oil. Just thinking ahead.
• 1:00:09
  But yeah, maybe it does make sense to just get in your
• 1:00:13
  favorite brand of oil just in case, especially if you have to
• 1:00:17
  do an oil change obviously because there's a lot more
• 1:00:19
  consumables required for that than there are just a top up.
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, I had this moment of like, oh, that oil change that I maybe
• 1:00:27
  wasn't going to schedule right away.
• 1:00:29
  Maybe that goes to the top of the list and is done more
• 1:00:31
  quickly than I was anticipating. So much winning these days,
• 1:00:35
  guys, So much. Winning, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:38
  But it's it's interesting because also there's been a
• 1:00:41
  significant uptake in electric car sales.
• 1:00:46
  Which is not what I want with a lease on an EV coming up right
• 1:00:49
  coming due here in a couple months.
• 1:00:51
  I was hoping for another discount like in the.
• 1:00:52
  Days of You 2. $100 yeah, leases.
• 1:00:55
  You can get back into a Tiguan. Perhaps we, you know, we will.
• 1:00:59
  I I yeah, it seems like. I'm just here to answer that
• 1:01:03
  question for you, Ryan. I went and did the research and
• 1:01:06
  the answer is back to Tiguan you.
• 1:01:08
  Go with a Stage 1 tune. Now we're talking.
• 1:01:11
  There you go. Yeah, some sort of COB tune on
• 1:01:13
  it. I'll lend you one of my SQ5
• 1:01:17
  badges. You can stick that on the back.
• 1:01:19
  Job's a good one, yeah. Well, real quick I got to give a
• 1:01:26
  shout out. I drove an Audi that I had never
• 1:01:28
  driven before. Is it the So we have a friend of
• 1:01:31
  the show named Jayden who's a listener who I had lunch with a
• 1:01:35
  couple days back. Had a really nice lunch, but he
• 1:01:37
  rolled up in a Is it the E Tron Rs or the Rs?
• 1:01:41
  E Tron GT. E Tron Rs Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  That's zero to 60 in 2.1 seconds guys.
• 1:01:48
  I got back in my pole star and it felt slow.
• 1:01:51
  A hell of a car. Really impressed.
• 1:01:54
  And apparently they can be picked up used for about 45 or
• 1:01:57
  $50,000 so and. I think they look.
• 1:02:02
  I love those whenever I see. Them on the road next time?
• 1:02:04
  They really do. Every time I see them, I'm like,
• 1:02:07
  that's the way to go. Really cool cars anyway like
• 1:02:11
  yeah yeah, get yourself one of these E Tron GTS a hell of a
• 1:02:14
  thing. I mean I did all the all the
• 1:02:16
  launches in that car. It was a fun post launch test
• 1:02:21
  drive. So how?
• 1:02:22
  Do you see it? Launch, yeah, that's right.
• 1:02:25
  That's. Right, you were launching and
• 1:02:26
  lunching with the best of them. Absolutely, absolutely wow.
• 1:02:30
  Good car, never driven. One before you made Ryan's week,
• 1:02:33
  which was or last week. It's been a pretty good week.
• 1:02:37
  I was going. To say several.
• 1:02:38
  Days, right? So very good Topper.
• 1:02:42
  Do you think Molly would take one for the school run?
• 1:02:45
  It's it's very wide right compared to they're they're
• 1:02:49
  quite they're they're what do I want to liken to?
• 1:02:53
  It's this one is in white. So from a distance, it's kind of
• 1:02:56
  like, you know, a bar of soap after you've used a few times.
• 1:02:58
  I mean, it was just kind of had the the curves and it was low
• 1:03:00
  and it was, it was just so it might be too much car for us,
• 1:03:04
  but I was impressed. I'd get into so much trouble
• 1:03:07
  with that car. 2.1 seconds, guys.
• 1:03:09
  That's I mean that's hyper car fast.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah, pretty easy writing, isn't it?
• 1:03:13
  It's funny if it's exactly the same size as the tycoon because
• 1:03:17
  they're based on, they're both based on the same platform,
• 1:03:20
  right? If it's the same size, that is
• 1:03:23
  the same size as a current Range Rover.
• 1:03:27
  Wow footprint like. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:29
  It's a lot of car and and I think because they're so low,
• 1:03:32
  they may be seen bigger. This one had a full carbon roof.
• 1:03:34
  No, no sunroof or anything. So you know, but that's yeah, it
• 1:03:39
  was not a small car. And yet you give up a lot of
• 1:03:41
  room in the back because of that coop like profile.
• 1:03:43
  Yeah, or that soap like profile. Yeah, but.
• 1:03:46
  So I don't know if it's you. Just know that in the designer
• 1:03:49
  meeting they're like, OK guys, just imagine our of soap.
• 1:03:54
  Very good bar so but maybe maybe too much vehicle for the the
• 1:03:58
  barky daily so. Wow, so is it the same wheelbase
• 1:04:01
  as a Range Rover? I don't know.
• 1:04:04
  I just know that the size, the physical size, I, I had one of
• 1:04:07
  the very first tie cans to review for the Porsche magazine
• 1:04:12
  many years ago and it was, yeah, I did my research.
• 1:04:17
  It was the same size as a Range Rover, so.
• 1:04:20
  That's wild. Well, it just tells you how much
• 1:04:23
  design impacts your perception of like size.
• 1:04:27
  And we've talked about color and how that impacts how you, you
• 1:04:30
  know, experience a design. But like those are such
• 1:04:33
  different designs to find out they're the same size.
• 1:04:36
  Visually it doesn't look like that.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah, yeah, the Ticon does seem smaller for some reason, but I
• 1:04:41
  don't know. Very.
• 1:04:42
  Good. Where's our?
• 1:04:42
  Assistant tonight, Dan. I think we've given them the
• 1:04:45
  night off, haven't we? And.
• 1:04:47
  So obviously. I think we've lent them to Jorge
• 1:04:50
  so he could use them on his show because apparently that's what
• 1:04:53
  he used and said. So hey, Jorge, I think we'll
• 1:04:58
  steer clear of the controversy tonight.
• 1:05:00
  But maybe it's a question for our audience.
• 1:05:04
  Is it ever OK to cut the mustard there?
• 1:05:07
  You go leave a comment. Yes, and there was an update
• 1:05:10
  posted today I saw. Yeah.
• 1:05:12
  So the mustard is the double yellow lines that run in the
• 1:05:16
  middle of a Rd. and technically it's illegal to cross them.
• 1:05:22
  Spirited drivers sometimes see a straight line from point A to
• 1:05:27
  point B versus a set of restrictions.
• 1:05:32
  But let us know audience, maybe we'll start a poll.
• 1:05:35
  Is it ever OK to cut the mustard?
• 1:05:40
  And I did want to make an ask to our audience as well.
• 1:05:44
  So we get lots of feedback every week.
• 1:05:47
  Great feedback, very constructive feedback.
• 1:05:49
  But one of the things that Ryan noticed is quite a small
• 1:05:53
  percentage of our listeners are actually subscribed.
• 1:05:56
  What was the number? 85% of our listeners are not
• 1:06:00
  subscribers, which shocked me. And I just think of how many
• 1:06:04
  listeners we'd have if those people were automatically
• 1:06:07
  getting force fed our show each week, right?
• 1:06:09
  So please do follow or subscribe or whatever the term is on your
• 1:06:13
  platform of choice because it makes a huge difference.
• 1:06:15
  If we can double that to, you know, 30% of you who subscribe,
• 1:06:19
  who listen, it would make a. Huge.
• 1:06:20
  We're going to send Ryan back to math school because 25 double
• 1:06:24
  does not equal 30. No, 1515, Did I say that wrong?
• 1:06:29
  85% of. People who?
• 1:06:31
  I thought. 85 Yeah, No, I am a product of the American it's
• 1:06:34
  public school system. So, you know, it wouldn't
• 1:06:37
  surprise me if I screwed that out.
• 1:06:39
  I've been too busy cutting mustard.
• 1:06:44
  Well, now we know what your answer would be.
• 1:06:45
  In the pool, Dan, that's. Right.
• 1:06:47
  It's funny because it's different in Europe.
• 1:06:49
  In Europe it's, you know, it's allowed.
• 1:06:51
  So as long as it's not like completely solid, but it's not
• 1:06:56
  frowned upon in the same way, I don't think, but.
• 1:06:59
  So what's the, what's the sensibility about it there?
• 1:07:03
  It's just, it's if it if it's safe, right?
• 1:07:07
  So if you can see a clear line from point A to point B, it's
• 1:07:12
  actually potentially advanced driving by taking a straight
• 1:07:16
  line versus cornering. Right.
• 1:07:19
  So and that's going to create more debate, I'm sure.
• 1:07:23
  I'm saying that's for Europe. I'm not saying that's for the
• 1:07:25
  US. So let us know would do you cut
• 1:07:28
  the mustard and and when is it appropriate?
• 1:07:31
  We are here to create controversy if nothing else.
• 1:07:34
  Consumer advice, Controversy. Car reviews?
• 1:07:38
  What else do you want from a podcast?
• 1:07:40
  I know. Well, I think did you guys
• 1:07:42
  notice this caught my attention because we've talked about it a
• 1:07:45
  lot lately with the fashion brand collaborations of, you
• 1:07:49
  know, yesteryear. Don't get me started, I've got
• 1:07:51
  one for you in a minute on this. I've got.
• 1:07:53
  One, OK, So obviously Subaru and LL Bean used to collaborate and
• 1:07:58
  Ford and Eddie Bauer. So Ford has come out with a new
• 1:08:02
  one. They are partnered with Carhartt
• 1:08:05
  and you're going to be able to purchase starting the 2027 model
• 1:08:09
  year, you'll be able to get the Ford Super Duty Carhartt
• 1:08:12
  Edition. Yeah, I am not man enough for
• 1:08:14
  that. The Carhartt is now fashionable,
• 1:08:16
  right With young people. Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  It's, I think it's like hipstery, you know, that's all.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah. I wonder if the data like that
• 1:08:26
  swady type, but there's a rumour going around in Formula One
• 1:08:32
  right now that Gucci are coming in with the Alpine team.
• 1:08:37
  So it would be Gucci Alpine 2027 and I just, you know, what are
• 1:08:45
  the driver's suits look like? What does the, you know, the
• 1:08:48
  race team look like? What does their luggage?
• 1:08:53
  In a word, fantastic, but but. But they're missing an
• 1:08:56
  opportunity. They were very famously was the
• 1:08:58
  Gucci Cadillac collab of 1984 or whatever that was right with the
• 1:09:02
  Seville, you know, I mean, Cadillac, you know, F1 team, I
• 1:09:06
  mean, you know, and that artwork wouldn't be AI generated.
• 1:09:10
  No, but the Gucci Alpine team, everything is Gucci in that
• 1:09:14
  team. Like if it happens, you heard it
• 1:09:18
  here first. If it doesn't, we'll deny ever
• 1:09:20
  saying it. That's right, we never created
• 1:09:23
  it. Yeah.
• 1:09:25
  I love it. Well, I mean, so really that's
• 1:09:27
  the two car solution as you get one of the Gucci Alpine F1 cars
• 1:09:31
  and then a Ford car Hart and you've covered all your bases.
• 1:09:34
  You're winning at life, winning at life.
• 1:09:38
  Did anyone? Find oil.
• 1:09:40
  The new Swatch collaboration. Yeah.
• 1:09:42
  Oh, was it the one? It was pink, turquoise and
• 1:09:45
  yellow and. They've they've gone with a new
• 1:09:48
  brand, right? OK.
• 1:09:51
  And I think it's is it older RPK?
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, it's AP. Yeah, and they're pretty cool.
• 1:09:56
  They're pretty cool. They're not a wristwatch, they
• 1:09:59
  are a pocket watch. Well, you can pop them into a a
• 1:10:02
  a band. Can you?
• 1:10:04
  Because I looked on my website and there weren't any bands
• 1:10:06
  available at purchase at at. Interesting.
• 1:10:09
  OK, I have seen, maybe I maybe I've seen renderings, but I
• 1:10:14
  mean, that's one way to bring back the past.
• 1:10:17
  I know I'm like, I feel like this is aggressively throwback.
• 1:10:23
  When's that train coming in? The the steamy?
• 1:10:26
  That's that's that's, that's bold.
• 1:10:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:32
  I don't know. That's I I like the idea and I
• 1:10:35
  think it's fascinating that they're doing it.
• 1:10:36
  And I know that Swatch brand owns, you know, some of this,
• 1:10:41
  you know these. Brands they're collabing with.
• 1:10:44
  How do you pronounce it? Bloppon.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah, I believe so. That's the one I want.
• 1:10:49
  That's the one that would that does 50.
• 1:10:50
  Fathoms tribute and now hold them up Ek.
• 1:10:54
  I think Sheffield Watches should do a pocket watch.
• 1:10:57
  How classy would that be? Jay, if you're listening, we're
• 1:11:00
  happy to beat a test. That's true.
• 1:11:03
  I would rock a Sheffield pocket watch.
• 1:11:05
  That'd be that'd be amazing. Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  With some tweed. That's right, Sheffield's are
• 1:11:11
  showing up on at award ceremonies now.
• 1:11:14
  You saw the picture. Celebrities.
• 1:11:16
  Celebrities, Yeah, yeah. Which is, I don't know what
• 1:11:19
  ceremony that was or, or event, but, you know, they do this
• 1:11:22
  watch check. So it's like Rolex AP, you know,
• 1:11:26
  it's, it's, you know, it's all the the good stuff.
• 1:11:29
  I'm a watch guy and apparently I can only think of two brands.
• 1:11:31
  But then there was the comedian. What's his name?
• 1:11:35
  Fluffy. Oh, Gabriel Iglesias.
• 1:11:38
  Gabriel Iglesias had the Sheffield Jay Leno watch on,
• 1:11:42
  which was really cool to see. So yeah, Jay, you've hacked
• 1:11:47
  Hollywood. That's.
• 1:11:49
  Fluffy and the most of that car show, that's celebrities,
• 1:11:52
  they're just like, started. Here.
• 1:11:54
  Yeah, that's true. Well.
• 1:11:57
  Watch. Check.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, I love that. One yeah screwed up tonight
• 1:12:03
  they've. Never.
• 1:12:04
  Seen me without a watch, so yeah, waiting on that pocket
• 1:12:07
  watch, guys. Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Bring it on. What time is it Ryan, and when
• 1:12:12
  is the next train? And you have to start calling
• 1:12:15
  people doll and like speaking like they did in their. 20s
• 1:12:19
  yeah. Nice.
• 1:12:21
  I think we are probably at a show.
• 1:12:23
  On Yeah, we better. We better stop now.
• 1:12:25
  The wheels are coming off. So thank you everyone for
• 1:12:28
  listening. As Ryan said, please, please
• 1:12:30
  subscribe and ever however you do that it, it does mean a lot
• 1:12:34
  to us. And we'll be back next week with
• 1:12:37
  an interesting guest. That's right.
• 1:12:38
  That's right. Yeah.
• 1:12:40
  And on that note, remember always be driving.
• 1:12:44
  We're that car show and we'll see you next week.