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The Truth About Returning Old Parts for Refunds · Jeep Talk Show

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This is the round
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table and you can join it
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by being here on
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Tuesdays, 7.30 p.m. Central Time
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is what we call the pre-party.
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That's when that gets started.
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And then around 8 p.m. we
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get started with the questions.
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It's about 8.15 now, so
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there's nothing written in stone
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here, it's just a fun time to get on here
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and chat with other jeepers.
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And I wanted to ask you guys something.
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I've got a buddy, a good buddy,
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I haven't seen a number of years,
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but a good buddy and there was something,
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I was surprised that he told me,
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and I'd like to get you all's take on it.
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You don't need to out
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yourself publicly if you do this,
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but you could say a friend or,
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I know Bob probably does this,
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so Bob's gonna go the
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friend route, I'm sure.
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He told me, I think it was an alternator.
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You guys were talking about alternators
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with or without pulleys.
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Yeah, power steering
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pump, one of those things.
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And he told me what he
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would recommend I do,
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because I think jeepers
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collect a lot of parts,
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a lot of extra parts.
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And I think it was
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even, he was suggesting that
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since I bought a new power steering pump,
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alternator, whatever it was,
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if I had one laying around,
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and I don't even think
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it had to be the same,
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for the same jeep, the
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same year or whatever,
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take it back, return it in a way,
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and get your money
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back for the alternator.
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That way you have a free alternator,
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a free power steering pump or anything.
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And I was really surprised by that,
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because it's stealing.
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And this guy was very, it
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changed my opinion of him.
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It was small, but it
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changed my opinion of him.
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Is this anything you
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guys have experienced
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or maybe done yourselves?
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I've known people that have done it,
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but I would never do that
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just because that's just wrong.
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I mean, which is why a
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lot of places nowadays
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will jot down a serial
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number off of the part
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that they're selling, if there is one.
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Some things have serial numbers on them,
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but yeah, that's kind of horse manure,
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whatever you wanna call it.
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Yeah, I mean, the store is financing
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your jeep build, basically.
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I mean, it's fine if you got a contract.
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(laughing)
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But I will say there was one time
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that it wasn't jeep parts, it was
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actually at Walmart.
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There was a KitchenAid mixer
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that we took it up to the counter
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and the lady rang it up and
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it rang up, didn't ring up.
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And then I noticed
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that it didn't ring up.
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Oh my God, that didn't work.
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Steve should probably do that again.
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She did it again and it
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didn't work that time.
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And then she did it again.
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And this was like after a few seconds,
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because she didn't
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notice, I didn't notice.
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It didn't ring the second time.
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And the third time
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she did it, once again,
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it did not ring up and
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she just pushed it up
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to push it down like it
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was already all good to go.
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So the third time I said, "Fuck it."
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I said, "It's free, I don't care."
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Right.
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Well, it's not even like--
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I gave him every opportunity.
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Yeah, it's not even like you were trying
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to get away with it.
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I mean, it was still
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illegal, it was still stealing,
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but it was like employee authorized.
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Yeah, at that point it was like,
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well if you ain't smart
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enough to figure it out,
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then it's too bad.
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But there have been all
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times where I've walked
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all the way out to
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the car with stuff like,
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I think it was antifreeze one time,
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I had on the bottom of the car.
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I literally turned around, walked back,
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and couldn't pay for it.
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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I've received things from Amazon.
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We were talking about Amazon earlier.
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I've received things from
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Amazon that I didn't order.
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I mean, I ordered one
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and they sent me a box.
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Like I ordered some LED lights,
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spotlights to go outside.
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And I think I ordered one, I
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wanted to put it out there.
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Less power and have a very bright light
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shining on the jeeps
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if I turned the lights on.
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And they literally sent me,
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I'm assuming it was a case
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because I think it
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had like eight in a box.
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And I contacted them right away and said,
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hey man, I ordered one of
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these things for 20 bucks
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and you sent me a box of eight.
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And they said, ah, keep it.
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So if the store says it's
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okay, then I'm okay with it.
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But I feel like I have to let them know.
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I mean, I'm sure they were
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looking at the cost of shipping
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and so on and so forth.
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It is just their policy
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customer service policy,
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but I don't mind
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stealing it from the store
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if it's authorized by the store.
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But are you stealing it from the store
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or are they stealing it for you?
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Because like I ordered a Milwaukee,
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this is the last thing I have for you,
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that I ordered a Milwaukee toolbox.
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So they're like a
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thousand dollar toolbox,
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the bottom and the
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top, you know, two pieces.
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And when they delivered
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it, I didn't bring it home.
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They delivered it, it came in two boxes.
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And when the guy delivered it,
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he'd scan one box, not the other.
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Well, I didn't know this
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and a couple of days later,
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my wife calls me and says, hey, the
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delivery guy is here.
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He says, he must
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really like this toolbox.
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And I said, well, what do you mean?
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He says, well, he's
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got another one for you.
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So he dropped off a second toolbox.
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Now this one was put
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together, so it was one of one.
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So needless to say, I
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mean, I wasn't home at the time
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and I was like, you know
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what, they stole it for me,
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but I stuck it in the
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corner of the garage
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and I waited probably a good two months
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before I did anything with it.
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Because I figured if they
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called me and said, hey,
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we screwed up, I just
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said, okay, come get it.
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All right.
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They never called me.
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I said, screw it, I gave it to a buddy.
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You don't feel like it
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was on your responsibility
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to contact them and let them
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know what their mistake was?
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No, if they got dumb
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people, hire somebody better.
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I mean, that's why I'm training.
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Yeah, so Rick, you've
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been through a lot of parts.
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Have you accidentally returned anything?
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Maybe it was the wrong
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part, but it's like, oh well.
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No, it's an integrity thing for me.
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I mean, I don't care.
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I don't care what anybody else does.
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I don't care.
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I mean, I'm gonna do it just for my own.
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And it's, I mean, I've had situations
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where it sure would have
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been a whole lot easier on me
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because I went through a lot of trouble
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to convince them that they screwed up.
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And I'm like, look, if I
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gotta go through this much trouble
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to convince you that you screwed up,
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maybe I should just keep it.
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And then like, but no.
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Well, and somebody's gonna get in trouble
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or there's a chance
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somebody is gonna get in trouble.
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So it's on, and if
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you're talking to the person
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that's gonna get in trouble,
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then it's, they may
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want you just to keep it.
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And I have had a situation,
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I had a situation recently where they,
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I ordered a drill bit, they
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sent me the wrong drill bit.
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And so I called them
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back and I said, hey,
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or I got all of them, I said,
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hey, you sent me the wrong drill bit.
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And so they, and they
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sent me another one.
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And I said, well, you want this one back?
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And they said, no, just keep it.
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See, to me, that's not,
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they're not stealing out.
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They've comped that to me.
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See?
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Yeah, for your trouble.
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Yeah, they compensated me for my trouble.
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So it's just, you know, if they want to,
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if a representative of
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the company wants to comp me
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something, yeah, I'm down with it.
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Just so you know, Rick,
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if it wouldn't have been a big box store,
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if it would have been
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a mom and pop store,
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I'd have just been on the phone call.
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Big box stores, I mean, shit.
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I wasn't calling anybody out.
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I know you weren't, I
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was just thinking to you,
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a big box store, like Home Depot and
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Walmart, I mean, shit.
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I was dropping a bucket.
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That's a write off.
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Well, I don't want to be a buzzkill here,
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but I think it's important.
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Rick mentioned integrity,
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in other words, big words.
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And I think for
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integrity, it shouldn't matter
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if the company, whether it's
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insurance, medical, whatever,
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they can afford it because they're big
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and they make billions of dollars.
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I think there's a real
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problem with people thinking
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that if it's a billionaire, screw them.
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I'm not saying it for that purpose.
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I'm saying it because it
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used to be back in the day,
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places like Walmart and Home Depot
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actually had people
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that were intelligent,
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but they have chosen the higher people
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that are not intelligent.
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Could you have just
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gotten smarter, Roger?
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Is it possible they were just smarter
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than you at the time?
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You used to be able to go to Home Depot
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and ask a question and
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you had an educated person
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explaining it to you.
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They had people in
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departments that knew their departments.
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Now they don't know
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now you ask them something
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and they have to pull up their phone
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and start typing and AI or whatever.
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It's they're dumber in a box of rocks.
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All right, so Bob, are you with us?
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I see that you're muted
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both on video and audio.
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Maybe you're working.
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Oh, there's Kevin.
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Kevin's done it.
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Oh yeah, so Kevin, perfect timing.
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We're not even gonna give
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you a chance to get settled.
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Have you, or do you know of anybody
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that has ever returned a part,
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but wasn't the original part,
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just so you could get
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like the free thing?
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Like I said, you get an
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alternator and you go,
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well, I got one of those
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that's off a similar year Jeep.
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I'm just gonna return that
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one and get my money back.
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And then you got the
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new part and your money.
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I deal with it at work.
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We'll have people, in
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fact, we just had this happen.
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Somebody bought a
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double-den radio kit from us
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and then sent us a factory bezel
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telling us how it didn't work.
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And pretty sad.
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Yeah. Jeez.
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So it wasn't even similar.
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At least be smart about it.
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I mean, I give it like on the,
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for the car parts I
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sell, they're similar,
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but the sizes and the
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construction of them
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are vastly different.
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And the number of holes,
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the size of the hole, come on.
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Yeah.
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So, and then like the factory part is
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like a, not blow molded, but it's like a,
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what would you call it?
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You know, injection molded maybe,
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versus the one we sell is 3D printed.
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I mean, it's very
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obviously a different part.
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Right.
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And supposedly the car was at a shop
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having this installed and they couldn't
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tell the difference,
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supposedly. Yeah.
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So let me ask you how
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you feel about this.
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In talking about this
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before you got here,
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you should always be on time people.
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You never know what
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part of the conversation
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you're gonna miss.
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But we found out by Roger's admission
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that he's fine if a big box
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store sends him something,
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it's their mistake and too bad for them.
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Well, you-- But if it's a mom and--
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(laughing)
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You gotta go a little deeper than that.
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It's a mom and pop.
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No, no, that's where he draws the line.
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You draw the line.
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The one item, the one item I gave him
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three opportunities,
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I told them they didn't ring it up.
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He feels guilty.
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And they were too stupid to do it
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after three times of
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trying and them screwing up
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and not noticing it, I
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just said, "That was it."
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And the other one, they
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took it out of the store
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and brought it to me.
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I mean, if I order something
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and they send something extra in the box
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that I didn't order,
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I'm kind of like,
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"Well, that's Shell's fault.
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I'm not paying to ship you something
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because you already screwed up."
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Hey, you're not wasting
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your time to fix their problem.
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No.
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(laughing)
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But at the same time, like--
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We need Travis here too.
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The mom, the big thing,
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because I work at a new retailer
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and we are a mom and pop.
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We have four people
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in our entire building.
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People will call us and
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they expect us to be the size
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or quadratic or something like that.
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We're like, "No, we're a mom and pop."
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And in fact, we had a guy come by today
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that just checked the place out
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that he'd just recently
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moved here from New York.
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And he was like, "I
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thought you guys would be bigger
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than this."
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And we're like, "Nope, this is it."
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But just looking at it, I
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would say genetics, Pee Wee.
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I think a lot of
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companies want that though.
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They want you to think they're big.
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So they put it out there
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and so that it seems like they're big.
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So I think companies
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do that to themselves,
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but there ain't nothing
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wrong with mom and pop.
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I think it's great
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whenever you can talk to somebody.
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And let's talk when I do interviews here.
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I mean, sometimes, and
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I've had great guests,
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that I don't wanna say that
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they're not as good a guest,
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but I really like
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talking to the owner, the CEO,
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the guy who started it out of his garage,
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because I think that's the American dream
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is that you start something,
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number one, you have a good idea
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and your wife thinks it's a good idea,
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and then other people
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think it's a good idea,
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and then you start making money on it.
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That's a wonderful feeling.
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It's like, you know, you
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get to feel like you have a,
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that you're somebody that
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people will recognize you
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for your efforts.
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So I think mom and pops are great.
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It's nice when they get big,
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but I hate whenever they get
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sold to like financial guys
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that don't know anything
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about what they bought.
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And like a poison spider
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or something like that.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, we say it
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happen time and time again.
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I didn't mean to say a name out loud.
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Well, and sometimes though,
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like people think
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companies are just like,
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they see a small
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business owner and they're like,
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"Oh, you own your own business.
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You must be rich."
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And my boss is like, "No, I
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spent $3,000 today in shipping.
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I'm broke."
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And they're like, "What do
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you mean you spent $3,000
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in shipping?"
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And he's like, "Shipping's not free.
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It has to be paid."
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And people don't understand that.
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Yeah, there's a lot of
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expenses and they ebb and flow.
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I mean, that's just one
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of the reasons why we hear
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about the buzz term cash flow.
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It's real.
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Yeah, it is.
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It costs money to make money.
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Well, insurance, like my boss shops
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insurance every year
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and for the past, see, I'm
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coming up on three years.
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Every year his
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insurance cost has doubled.
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Oh, I don't doubt it.
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I mean, they used to be
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about it at the company
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that I worked for.
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And they were always
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switching just so they could get
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the best deal.
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And I don't blame them.
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And even then it was expensive.
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We were the company I was in.
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I mean, we had 80 people there in just
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the Houston location
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but there were
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salespeople across the country.
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And so it wasn't a tiny
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company, relatively small.
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And the smaller the company,
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the harder it is to
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get insurance pricing.
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And I just throw this out there.
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This isn't what we
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were talking about, but
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(beep)
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it.
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If a big company can
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get better insurance rates
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for their employees,
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why can't multiple
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companies join together
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so that your mom and pops
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that are now not legally part
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of a bigger company,
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but get the rate from a
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larger group of people.
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You know, like we were
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partnering with so-and-so
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for our insurance costs
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and get that insurance costs
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down to a manageable level.
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They won't let people do that
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because it costs the
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insurance companies money.
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Well, I always think
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that the other reason
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why they wouldn't want to do that
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because you'd end up with companies
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that would want to be jumping insurance
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or jumping insurance
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plans on a regular basis.
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Because if you got two
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companies under the same insurance,
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let's say one of them
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utilizes more of their insurance
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which means the rates for
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both of them are gonna go up.
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So both of them are getting penalized
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even though one of
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them is having the issue.
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I guarantee you a
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company with four employees
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is gonna pay a hell of a lot more
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than one with a hundred or 200.
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But then you wanna say--
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I'm not even talking
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about health insurance though.
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I'm talking about just,
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you know, if we have a--
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Oh, liability?
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Greeks, yeah, just liability.
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Good God.
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Well, so there is something
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that actually is done like that.
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And I know, cause I've used it.
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It's a workman's comp.
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Like I have to have a
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workman's comp ghost,
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it's stupid, it's a ghost policy.
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It's 900 bucks a year that I end up,
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but I can't use it.
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All it does is help
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to protect the brokers.
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But for that, I know
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that I'm involved in a pool.
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So it's not just me,
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it's like many, many drivers
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all on the same pool with
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the same stupid insurance.
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All right, so I think
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everybody has integrity here,
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which is, it's not a
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requirement to be part of the--
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But I'm a little.
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Because of the Jeep Talk Show community.
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But I like that.
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I mean, you know, I'm thinking,
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well, you guys know,
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I'm just kind of strange.
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And I thought with my good friend,
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and even though I haven't
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spoken with him in several years,
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I just, I mean, I think you
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never really know a person
17:03
I think that you learn about people
17:04
when you go and do things with them,
17:06
maybe at EJS or whatever you
17:07
go places and how they act.
17:09
But I think really, you
17:11
never really know a person.
17:13
And there's people out there that you
17:16
think are good people,
17:16
but they may have
17:17
little chinks in their armor
17:19
about what they think is
17:21
okay and what's not okay.
17:22
So I was just curious.
17:24
That's because we're Jeep people,
17:26
we're not Toyota or Bronco
17:27
people, we're Jeep people.
17:29
I mean, I prefer people with
17:30
a certain moral flexibility.
17:32
(laughing)
17:34
It could be handy.
17:35
Good way of putting it.
17:38
I mean, for the right amount
17:40
of money, I have no morals.
17:43
For the right amount of
17:44
money, Bob will try to be flexible.
17:46
Yeah.
17:47
Bob, Bob, now that you're back.
17:48
Well, his flexibility are
17:50
both bought and paid for.
17:51
Bob, now that you're back,
17:52
did you hear the question?
17:53
Do I need to repeat it?
17:55
What's the question?
17:57
The question is, say
17:58
you have an alternator
18:01
power steering box or something,
18:03
and you go and you buy it
18:04
from the store, the auto zone,
18:06
wherever you go get it,
18:08
but you have another one
18:09
that is similar to the one you replaced.
18:12
Do you take it back, the old one?
18:14
Do you take the, not a core,
18:17
I'm talking about another one.
18:18
Take it back and just
18:19
say, I don't need this
18:20
and get your money back,
18:21
that way you get a free part.
18:23
And basically the company is now
18:27
supporting your Jeep.
18:28
Maybe you put a sticker on
18:29
your Jeep to help support them
18:31
for their effort on your vehicle.
18:34
Or do you know somebody?
18:36
You don't have to answer it.
18:37
You don't have to out yourself.
18:39
You mean like, say I
18:41
bought some parts off of Amazon
18:43
and I may have bought,
18:45
said, hey, the part you sent me
18:48
doesn't work and put a part back in a box
18:50
that may not have
18:51
originally come in that box,
18:53
send it back to Amazon for a refund.
18:57
Exactly.
18:58
Yeah, morally flexible, man.
19:00
And I don't like Amazon.
19:02
So,
19:03
(beep)
19:03
them.
19:12
Roger messed up the
19:13
screen for the message.
19:17
Oh, I know what it is.
19:18
Oh.
19:19
(beep)
19:21
Are you guys having a
19:23
hard time hearing Tony?
19:24
I'm having a hard time hearing Tony.
19:27
You guys are plenty loud, but I'm having
19:32
a hard time hearing.
19:33
How is that?
19:34
This mic is pretty directional.
19:38
That's better.
19:42
Rick, Rick didn't respond.
19:44
I don't know if you heard me.
19:45
Wait, it got real loud
19:47
for about a microsecond
19:48
and then went back down quieter again.
19:50
I mean, it is a little
19:51
bit louder than it was.
19:53
Well, I was just commenting.
19:55
This mic is very directional.
19:56
It may have been when I turned my head.
19:59
All right, so anyway,
20:00
so you know what I'm talking about, Bob.
20:02
But Rick used one of his big words and
20:05
called it integrity.
20:06
Do you think that's a lack of integrity?
20:11
I don't have much integrity.
20:13
It goes with not having any morals.
20:18
You got a, a man's got
20:19
to know his limitations
20:21
Clint Eastwood, a very
20:23
big philosopher once said.
20:25
All right, well, good.
20:26
I was just the, I was
20:27
really asked asking,
20:28
as I was explaining
20:29
right before you jumped in,
20:31
that it just seems that
20:33
maybe I'm just unrealistic
20:35
about the way people are
20:37
and the way people should be.
20:39
Speaking of how people are
20:41
and the way they should be,
20:42
and I think we've talked
20:43
about this in the past.
20:45
What do you guys think about people
20:48
that back in to a parking space?
20:52
Do you have an opinion on it?
20:54
That back into a parking space?
20:56
Yeah, instead of pulling
20:57
forward like God intended,
20:59
they back in.
21:00
I think those people are
21:02
awesome and very talented
21:04
and can obviously drive
21:06
better than everybody else
21:07
because they're capable of
21:08
backing into a parking spot.
21:11
So if somebody is waiting for the person
21:14
that's backing into their parking spot,
21:17
if they're waiting for you
21:18
to navigate into that spot,
21:21
what do you think about it then?
21:23
Is that something that
21:24
you think is acceptable?
21:27
Hey, I was here first,
21:28
you just got to wait?
21:30
Am I the person waiting
21:31
or the person backing in?
21:32
Yes, cover both of those.
21:35
In either situation, I don't mind
21:38
because I back into parking spots, I do.
21:43
Why?
21:44
One of the reasons why is I have found
21:47
that even though people are
21:49
waiting for parking spots,
21:50
when you go to back
21:51
out, they will sit there
21:54
and block you in where you can't get out
21:57
and you can't see to get out.
21:59
And then the other thing is
22:00
that I've got a bunch
22:01
of metal in my neck,
22:02
so it's hard for me to
22:02
turn my head back around.
22:04
And especially when I'm in the TJ,
22:05
I don't have camera system.
22:07
So it's easier for me to
22:08
back in using my mirrors
22:10
where I can see what I'm backing into
22:14
backing out of a parking spot
22:15
where I can't see what I'm backing into
22:17
because it's traffic.
22:18
Yeah, it really just dawned on me,
22:21
I feel kind of stupid not
22:22
thinking about this before.
22:24
And especially in a Jeep,
22:25
when you have a spare tire on the back,
22:27
if you're backing into a spot,
22:29
there's not a vehicle there
22:31
and there's less likely not to be a
22:34
person standing there
22:35
or worse, somebody's in a wheelchair
22:38
because you don't want to go with that.
22:39
I mean, that's going to be bad
22:40
if you back into a guy in a wheelchair.
22:42
A down syndrome, a down
22:44
syndrome known in a wheelchair.
22:47
Yes.
22:48
There actually was like
22:50
a, this has been years ago,
22:52
but somebody in a big like F-250, 350
22:54
actually ran over
22:55
somebody leaving a strip club
22:58
here locally.
22:59
They deserve it.
23:03
So when you back in,
23:05
you're less likely to run into anything
23:08
or over anybody.
23:10
And then like you say, Rick,
23:11
whenever you're pulling out,
23:12
it's much easier to see
23:13
and you have a lot more control.
23:15
I think we should have a
23:16
standard rear steering.
23:17
I think that would help
23:18
a lot of these situations
23:20
in the future.
23:22
So, all right, good.
23:23
Well, that makes sense.
23:24
And I appreciate what you said
23:26
because it gives me another perspective.
23:29
And that's really what I want
23:30
because I don't like having to wait
23:31
for somebody to back into a space
23:33
because they're special.
23:35
The more you do it,
23:36
the more practice you are at it,
23:38
the quicker you are at it.
23:40
Yeah, I was gonna say,
23:40
I think if you know what you're doing,
23:41
it shouldn't take more than
23:43
a few extra seconds to do it.
23:47
How about you Bob?
23:48
Do you pull in straight or you back in?
23:51
I almost always try to find a spot
23:54
with two open spots
23:56
so I can just pull straight in
23:58
and the aim knows out.
24:00
Well, I thought you were gonna say,
24:01
you straddle the line.
24:02
You take two spots.
24:06
Only if the snow bank
24:08
is covering two spots.
24:10
All right, Roger.
24:11
How about you?
24:11
You back in all the time, don't you?
24:17
Oh, maybe Roger was leaving.
24:18
Maybe that's what he was
24:19
saying in that chat thing.
24:21
So yeah, anyway, I mean,
24:23
I don't mind backing in.
24:25
In fact, I backed in
24:26
today into the driveway
24:27
and somebody had to
24:28
wait for me to back in.
24:30
So we went to the
24:32
store, got some groceries
24:33
and I thought it would be more convenient
24:36
to put it on the driver's side
24:38
instead of the passenger side.
24:39
So I backed in.
24:40
The driver's side was
24:41
closer to the front door.
24:42
So that's why I backed in.
24:44
Also too, I need to
24:45
replace the license plate light
24:48
on the gladiator because it's flickering.
24:51
It's every one of these that I bought,
24:53
I have one on the XJ as well.
24:55
Every one of these that I bought,
24:56
eventually they start flickering,
24:57
which I'm gonna learn my
24:59
lesson and stop buying them.
25:01
All right, so anyway, this
25:02
is great that you mentioned.
25:04
Let's see, Kevin, did you get a chance
25:08
to talk about backing in?
25:11
Well, it depends on what I'm driving.
25:12
If I'm in a small car, no.
25:14
If I'm in one of my big trucks, yes,
25:17
because it's actually
25:17
easier to get the truck
25:19
into the spot backing it in.
25:21
And then when I go to
25:22
leave, it's easier for me to see.
25:23
Oh yeah, because you get the,
25:25
you have a lot more
25:25
control over the back end
25:28
because I hate that.
25:29
Now that I'm, I mean, I love trucks,
25:31
but it is difficult parking a truck.
25:34
Even a small truck like the gladiator,
25:37
it's a lot more
25:37
difficult than a TJ or even an XJ
25:40
pulling into a parking spot forward.
25:45
And like I said, if you
25:46
know what you're doing,
25:47
it only takes a few extra seconds.
25:49
It's not long.
25:51
Yeah, and even though it
25:53
takes a few extra seconds,
25:54
if somebody is like right up on top of me
25:57
and they're being impatient,
25:58
some reason it takes
26:00
me a few extra minutes
26:01
to back into that space
26:02
versus a few extra seconds.
26:04
Not that you're, not
26:06
that you cause trouble, but.
26:08
And not that I'd want to be
26:09
an antagonist or anything.
26:10
Oh, there we go.
26:11
That's another word that
26:12
goes on the Sothoris today.
26:14
Is that like when you go
26:16
and you get in your car
26:17
at the grocery store, the
26:18
work parking lot or something,
26:20
and somebody comes along,
26:21
they see you like walking
26:23
to the car, you're
26:23
still in the grocery store,
26:24
obviously a few minutes from pulling up
26:26
and they stop in the middle of the lane
26:29
and block everybody else from going down
26:31
because they're gonna get your good spot.
26:34
Oh my God, I forgot about that.
26:36
I hate that.
26:40
Yeah, I may have to make a 20.
26:42
I may have to watch my
26:43
chicken in the backseat spoil
26:45
and my screen melt out of pure spite
26:47
for the fact that you stopped behind me.
26:49
Does everybody here
26:50
know what a Fitbit is?
26:52
Yeah, Fitbit, yeah.
26:54
So my prediction is those people
26:56
that are blocking the entire lane
26:58
because they're waiting for that spot,
26:59
that premier spot that's
27:01
only halfway to the front door,
27:04
they have a Fitbit on.
27:07
I gotta get closer.
27:09
Well, you're counting steps.
27:11
Park out by the trees,
27:13
man, and walk your ass.
27:16
Well, that's like all the people
27:17
that park up front at the gym.
27:20
Yeah, that's a good one too.
27:23
All right, so Rick brought this up
27:25
and I was gonna talk about this anyway,
27:27
but Rick brought this up.
27:28
He doesn't have cameras and the ability
27:31
that when he's backing in or backing out,
27:35
it's hard for him to
27:36
see with his massive Jeep,
27:39
massive spare tire.
27:41
You got a spare tire on there, right?
27:42
Or you're not running
27:43
a spare tire, are you?
27:44
No, I got a spare,
27:45
normally I have a spare tire.
27:47
Yeah, all right, so I was
27:49
contacted at the Jeep Talk Show.
27:50
I say I, but it was, the Jeep Talk Show
27:52
was contacted by Wolfbox.
27:54
I think I mentioned this last week
27:57
and they're interested in
27:59
having the Jeep Talk Show
28:00
do a review on a Wolfbox product.
28:04
I didn't know anything about Wolfbox.
28:06
You guys had mentioned
28:07
it just a few moments
28:09
before I read the email from them
28:12
and I was looking at their stuff
28:14
and I was drawn to the mirror.
28:18
I think that's the one
28:19
you guys were talking about,
28:21
Bill bought from Wolfbox.
28:24
So I did a little studying on
28:27
what they had to offer there
28:28
and I think obviously
28:29
the one I would like to get
28:30
is the one that has the three cameras.
28:33
So have you looked at anything, Rick,
28:36
to help your situation
28:37
to see where you're going?
28:39
I mean, I understand in your situation,
28:41
it's just another thing that
28:43
could get drowned in a lake,
28:44
but still, is that
28:46
something you're looking at?
28:48
I've got one sitting on
28:50
the shelf in the garage.
28:51
I've got to get installed,
28:52
I just hadn't had a
28:53
chance to install it yet.
28:55
So Atlas before the mirror, please.
28:58
Yeah, Atlas before Wolfbox is.
29:00
Yeah, so it is a
29:02
Wolfbox, which model is it?
29:03
I mean, does it have the two
29:05
cameras, the three cameras?
29:06
The one with the three cameras.
29:08
Yeah, do you have any skid plates
29:12
on your massive skid
29:14
plate underneath your TJ
29:15
or here and there?
29:17
I mean, the reason why I'm asking is
29:18
because I'm gonna get this
29:20
as long as they don't change their mind,
29:22
I'm gonna get this and I want
29:23
to put that third camera down,
29:26
but I have the full skid
29:28
system on the Gladiator,
29:29
but I think I might be able to get it.
29:31
I just have to put it on there and look,
29:33
but I think I may be able to get it.
29:35
I don't want it below
29:36
the skid plate, obviously,
29:38
but above the skid plate, at least enough
29:40
where I think that it
29:41
will survive going off-road.
29:44
Just mount it to your front driveshaft.
29:46
That way you can really get a good idea
29:49
because it'll go up
29:50
and down with your axle.
29:52
That spins around and around the video.
29:55
That's what I think about.
29:57
You could do that if
29:58
it was Bluetooth, right?
30:00
Yeah.
30:02
I wonder what RPM it would
30:03
take to fling that thing off.
30:05
So, okay, are you planning
30:07
on doing the standard thing,
30:09
which is one on the
30:10
bumper, one on the front bumper,
30:12
one on the rear bumper?
30:14
And then if so, you can describe it
30:18
if this isn't what you're doing.
30:20
Are you planning on putting
30:20
the third camera underneath
30:23
so that you can see wheel on rock?
30:28
I'm kind of back and forth on,
30:31
I mean, there's been
30:32
several times like at Moab
30:35
where you come up on, you
30:36
crest on top of something.
30:38
It happened at Barrett Lake.
30:39
There were several times you crest over
30:42
the top of something
30:43
and I kind of felt like I
30:45
really needed to get out
30:46
and see what I was dropping into
30:47
because I absolutely could not see
30:49
what I was dropping into.
30:51
Right.
30:51
And--
30:52
(beep)
30:53
Revenge, I remember Bill
30:54
and I going back and forth
30:55
on the GMRS about not only the
30:58
inclination or declindation,
31:00
but the, I can't see where I'm going.
31:03
Is there anything on the
31:04
other side of this hill?
31:05
It's scary, man.
31:07
Yeah.
31:09
Or you can just always
31:09
use the old fashioned method
31:11
of, you know, G-O-A-L.
31:15
Get out and look.
31:17
No, there's no AC outside.
31:22
And that can be tricky in a manual TJ
31:26
when you're not 100,000%
31:29
confident in your e-brake.
31:33
I was gonna say, is
31:34
your e-brake hooked up?
31:36
Did you actually hook it up yet?
31:37
Oh yeah, yeah, no, it was so good.
31:39
No, I put a two door,
31:42
here's another oddball.
31:44
I got a two door JK, I
31:47
used two door JK cables
31:49
to hook up my e-brakes
31:51
and they were direct.
31:53
They were direct input, it just,
31:54
I had to coil it around once between the,
31:58
where it connected and
31:59
then coil it around once
32:01
and then before it went to that,
32:03
where it connected on the
32:04
axle, but it works great.
32:07
My wife's TJ, I've adjusted it.
32:09
Actually the adjustment
32:10
was frozen, it was rusted.
32:13
So I bought another one to
32:14
replace it and adjusted it
32:16
and it still won't hold the TJ.
32:18
It moves, it allows
32:21
it to move this slowly,
32:24
and I pull it up so far
32:26
that my wife can't release it.
32:28
She can't pull it up
32:29
enough to get the button
32:31
to press and release.
32:32
Have you tried to adjust it
32:33
at the actual brake instead?
32:35
Because where you're
32:36
adjusting it in the cable,
32:37
it really isn't the adjuster.
32:41
Well, when you back up, when
32:42
you back up in the vehicle,
32:44
it does the auto adjustment on the--
32:47
Well, you can manually do it too.
32:49
Oh, I know, I know, but
32:50
why would I want to waste
32:51
the pads by over adjusting it?
32:55
I mean, it's not something like that.
32:56
It just, I mean, it's
32:57
just a little rubber plug
32:59
on the back of the dust
33:00
cover, you pop it out.
33:02
I'm saying if you over adjust it,
33:04
now the pads are gonna rub.
33:05
Yeah, you spin the thing around,
33:07
but I never could, with my TJ e-brake,
33:13
I never did feel real confident about it.
33:15
I mean, and I put, I even had a brake,
33:20
a local brake shop
33:21
here, after I put it in,
33:23
installed it and
33:24
couldn't get it adjusted right,
33:25
I took it up to them and said,
33:27
how much you charge me to get these
33:28
adjusted or set right?
33:30
Because I'm doing something wrong.
33:32
And they, and I went and picked it up,
33:34
and it worked fine for
33:36
about the first day I used it.
33:38
Then the very next day,
33:39
it was right back to the
33:40
where it was when I had it.
33:41
I was like, well, these things just,
33:45
the TJ e-brakes just weren't that great.
33:47
The ones on the JL, they work real good,
33:51
and they're easy to adjust.
33:54
I may have to look at that
33:55
and see if there's a way,
33:56
something that, a modification or
33:58
something that's been,
33:59
that you can do to a TJ rear axle,
34:02
so that the Bursley brake works better.
34:04
Well, you said something about
34:05
having to coil it up once, Rick.
34:08
Did you fasten it,
34:10
where you coiled it up,
34:11
you fastened that coil down good,
34:13
because that'll affect your braking too,
34:16
because it allows the cable to flex.
34:20
You know what I mean?
34:21
You talking about on
34:22
my current situation?
34:23
Yeah, you said something
34:24
about you coiled it up,
34:25
and I mean, that'll actually affect--
34:27
Yeah, it's fastened,
34:31
and it actually acts like a
34:35
little bit of a helix spring,
34:36
because the way it's coiled,
34:40
when my suspension--
34:43
Yeah, when you coiled it.
34:44
Yeah, it works good.
34:49
It's perfect.
34:50
All right, so do you
34:51
have any kind of idea
34:53
when you're gonna be
34:54
installing the WolfBox?
34:56
I think it's like a G900 Tri,
35:00
or 900 Pro Tri or something,
35:03
the model that I was looking at,
35:05
which sounds like
35:05
that's the one you have.
35:06
If it wouldn't have
35:07
been 106 degrees this week
35:09
in the garage, I probably
35:10
would have done it this week,
35:11
because there'd been several times
35:12
where I kind of wanted it.
35:14
But, you know, and I figured, you know,
35:17
that's gonna be, I may
35:20
do that before the Atlas.
35:21
You know, I've got several--
35:23
Well, that's gonna be a lot easier, yeah.
35:25
I've got several
35:26
electrical things I gotta do before.
35:29
Are they full mirror replacements now,
35:31
or are they still
35:32
that stupid clip-on deal?
35:34
Oh, you can buy a mount that goes--
35:36
Yeah.
35:36
Replaces the arm for the rearview mirror.
35:39
And there's a guy who makes a dash mount,
35:42
a 3D printed dash mount.
35:44
So instead of putting
35:45
it up in your window,
35:46
you can mount it down on your dash.
35:50
Okay, I was gonna say,
35:51
we sell a full mirror replacement at work
35:55
that's very similar, except it's like a
35:59
hundred bucks cheaper.
36:02
And it's not, you know,
36:03
I've always just seen the clip-on thing,
36:05
and I'm like, I hate
36:06
the stupid clip-on deal.
36:07
I agree.
36:08
Yeah, that rubber--
36:09
It's actually rubber bands, I think,
36:11
is what they, what they,
36:12
which comes with the 900,
36:14
the G900 drive car.
36:15
It's one of those fist grip things.
36:17
It pulls around, it's
36:18
kind of the rubber belt,
36:20
and it holds. Yeah.
36:22
But I just bought the
36:23
G9000 Tri-Pro for 260 bucks.
36:29
That's great, I'm
36:29
looking at the WolfBox website,
36:32
and the G900 Tri-Pro is a 399.98.
36:38
I am trying to work out--
36:40
I just bought it for 260.
36:42
Yeah, that's a good price.
36:43
I think that's a good one we sell at work costs,
36:46
somewhere in that like 260, 270.
36:48
So I don't know if some of
36:49
you guys watching this video
36:52
weren't aware of the WolfBox.
36:55
I wasn't aware about
36:56
it until this last week.
36:57
I wasn't aware of it
36:58
until WolfBox sent the email.
37:01
This is pretty cool.
37:02
I like the idea of being able to see,
37:06
and of course, many of
37:07
you that have JLs or JTs,
37:10
you already have a backup
37:11
camera built into the Jeep.
37:14
But one of the things that I like,
37:17
because I like dash cam recordings,
37:19
you catch stuff whenever stuff happens,
37:22
is this thing is
37:23
recording all three cameras.
37:26
So not only are you seeing
37:28
out the front, not only--
37:29
No, I'm talking.
37:30
I'm sorry?
37:31
Sorry, he gets to talk.
37:33
Oh, he's talking to somebody.
37:35
So not only are you recording,
37:39
not only are you able to
37:40
see with your backup camera,
37:42
you're able to record it
37:44
and give it to the
37:46
authorities when necessary.
37:51
Yeah, my boss, when he had an accident
37:54
in his 67 Firebird,
37:57
and his brake caliper came off
38:00
and ripped the brake line loose.
38:02
And he actually gave the
38:04
little SD card to the police,
38:06
and he's like, "Here's what happened.
38:07
"You can hear it break.
38:09
"And you can hear it break in the video."
38:10
Jeez.
38:12
And that's how he got out of being
38:14
criminally liable for anything.
38:16
I mean, he was still
38:16
liable as far as the wreck,
38:18
but as far as criminal liability,
38:23
he was like, "Yeah, you
38:24
hear the brake come loose."
38:27
That's amazing what you can do
38:28
with audio engineering these days.
38:30
So I think this is a neat idea.
38:33
I don't know.
38:35
One of the things that I saw on reviews
38:37
was you can't use the sun visor,
38:42
because this thing is 12 inches across.
38:44
I mean, it is nice to have enough screen
38:46
so that you can see things.
38:48
But if you need to put the
38:49
sun visor down for some reason,
38:51
you gotta angle the mirror out of the way
38:53
so that you can bring the sun visor down.
38:55
So something to consider.
38:56
Now, this is on a JLGT.
38:58
It may be different for like a TJ, Rick.
39:02
Yeah, I'm gonna look at how that fits.
39:04
And if it's in the way,
39:06
then I may put mine down low.
39:10
Yeah.
39:10
You still have sun visors?
39:12
Yeah.
39:14
I used to.
39:17
Anyway, it's a real cool camera system.
39:22
And I really liked the idea.
39:23
I think it also has a security feature
39:26
so that it will record if there's a
39:30
vibration or emotion
39:32
or whatever, who knows how
39:33
much power this thing pulls.
39:35
Yeah, impact.
39:36
Who knows how much power this thing pulls
39:37
whenever the Jeep is asleep, not running,
39:41
which could be a concern.
39:42
But I think it's really neat.
39:44
I'm looking forward to getting it
39:47
and doing a review on it.
39:48
Hopefully you guys are
39:50
interested in seeing the review
39:53
and hearing what I think of it.
39:54
I was really happy to find out
39:56
that because I have a Jeep Gladiator,
39:58
I have a Sport S Max tow,
40:02
that I do not have to
40:03
worry about the dash cam
40:06
on the back of the mirror being blocked
40:08
by that cluster of sensors
40:09
that say Rubicon owners have
40:12
there on the windshield.
40:14
So if you're thinking about
40:16
getting one of these things
40:17
and you got that big black box
40:19
that's behind your, or in
40:22
front of your rear view mirror,
40:24
that black box will obscure
40:26
quite a bit of the dash cam
40:30
that's on the back of the mirror.
40:34
Yep.
40:36
You shouldn't have
40:37
problem with that at all, Rick.
40:38
Yeah, one of the things
40:39
I liked about it is like,
40:42
so Bill would reach up like
40:43
his front camera or the back,
40:46
whichever camera it was, I think it was
40:48
maybe his front one,
40:49
but he would reach up and
40:50
he would touch the mirror
40:52
and he would push up on the mirror
40:54
and the camera would
40:55
actually, the video would pan down.
40:58
I don't know about the camera pan down,
41:00
but the image would pan
41:02
down so he could look up
41:04
or look down a little bit.
41:05
Oh, that's great.
41:06
That's very cool.
41:08
And I don't know if you
41:09
guys have much trouble
41:10
with people, angry
41:13
drivers, road rage people,
41:15
but I think with a 4K camera,
41:17
both on the front
41:18
bumper and the rear bumper,
41:19
you should be able to get license plate
41:21
numbers pretty easy.
41:22
You could be your own fly camera.
41:25
Oh, I've already used dash camera footage
41:27
to hold people liable.
41:31
I think I love dash cams.
41:33
Yeah, I love dash cams
41:35
and I think everybody should have one.
41:36
Just be careful how you drive though,
41:38
because it can affect you as well.
41:41
(laughing)
41:42
You don't have to give
41:43
them all the footage,
41:44
you just give them the
41:45
footage in front of them.
41:46
That's called, what is it?
41:48
Withholding evidence or
41:50
destruction of evidence.
41:52
Oh no, I'm going in a three minute loop.
41:55
It might be easier for you to,
41:57
and they could recover that stuff.
41:59
Nothing's ever deleted.
42:01
Yeah, well, I've
42:04
never had to give anybody
42:05
the actual footage, I've
42:06
just let them watch it.
42:08
Yeah, well, I mean,
42:10
unless you're at fault,
42:11
or partially at
42:12
fault, or you did something
42:14
prior to the incident,
42:17
they can go back that far on the thing.
42:21
And if it's got GPS hooked up to it,
42:24
they know what kind of
42:25
speed you were doing.
42:25
And it just depends on how much of an
42:27
(beep)
42:28
the police want to be.
42:29
Are you still recording?
42:31
Yes.
42:31
Oh.
42:34
(laughing)
42:35
No self-incrimination.
42:37
No, it was not that, I was just curious,
42:39
I didn't want to
42:40
filibuster with a non-depoly detail.
42:44
So if our viewers are curious
42:47
about what Roger has to say,
42:48
that'll be in the members only portion,
42:51
because I'll tell him
42:52
we're not recording.
42:53
So come over there. I
42:53
can say it right here.
42:54
Come on, no, I'm just
42:56
picking on you, I get it.
42:58
All right, we're gonna wrap
42:58
up here in a second anyway.
43:00
So anybody else think
43:02
that any kind of mirror,
43:04
whether it's the one
43:05
that Kevin sells at his shop
43:09
or the Wolf Box, I think Wolf
43:11
Box is just a big name brand.
43:14
And at first, when
43:15
they first contacted me,
43:16
I thought this was a China company,
43:17
but I see that they're
43:18
actually out of Colorado.
43:20
I don't know if there's a China
43:21
connection there or not,
43:23
it seems like this may be a
43:26
USA company, which I like.
43:28
I think it's made
43:29
overseas, but sold out of, it's...
43:32
What was that scene in Armageddon?
43:34
American technology, Russian
43:36
technology, all made in Taiwan.
43:40
Assembled in the US.
43:42
Well, you always want to make a profit
43:43
with a company like
43:44
that. Assembled in Mexico.
43:47
All right, anybody else?
43:50
I think, and of course this
43:53
doesn't have to go in a Jeep.
43:54
I think Bob is not using his TJ as much.
43:56
Bob, have you thought about
43:58
putting one of these things
43:59
in your non-Jeeps?
44:02
The one I bought is going in the Tundra.
44:05
There you go.
44:07
I think I'm late to the party.
44:09
I'm glad they contacted me
44:10
because I don't want to
44:11
spend no $400 for this thing.
44:14
Yeah, when I get my 16
44:17
to 18 foot box truck,
44:19
I'll put one in it for sure.
44:21
Yeah, well, seeing is amazing
44:23
and making it easy to see is even better.
44:27
I suspect I may be buying one though
44:30
because the wife drives the JT a lot
44:32
and she may get to
44:33
where she really likes it
44:35
and wants one in her TJ.
44:37
So we'll see how that goes.
44:39
All right, guys, a fun conversation.
44:41
Thank you very much for joining us here.
44:43
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44:46
Five people here,
44:48
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44:51
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44:53
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44:54
We always pick on Roger.
44:56
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44:57
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45:01
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45:02
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45:03
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