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212: Rambling Eccentrics · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 9: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.
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  Speaker 10: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 12: and randomly pick movies that we don't really know how
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  Speaker 11: Breakfast actually no i got the scraps left over from
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  Speaker 11: it was i got the last of Mountain top, mountain
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  Speaker 11: raising one.
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  Speaker 10: I was trying to remember. I was like, if I
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  Speaker 11: Mountain saddle, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Saddleback serenity.
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  Speaker 9: Let's get to your favorite movies later.
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  Speaker 11: Mountain mountain. Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 12: I think if we want to do some minor geek week,
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  Speaker 12: mine that I wanted to bring up, I recently watched
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  Speaker 12: Real Steel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, the Rock'em Sock'em Robots movie.
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  Speaker 6: Was the Steel indeed real?
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  Speaker 2: It was R-E-E-L.
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  Speaker 9: I would be disappointed.
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  Speaker 6: Then, you know, it fails.
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  Speaker 9: That's not as clever a title.
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  Speaker 2: They could have the sequel that could be Surreal Steel.
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  Speaker 10: I was just thinking of that!
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  Speaker 2: Green light it, Lucy! We're on it.
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  Speaker 9: He is trying to look for a new project, so
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  Speaker 9: we can bring him in. Has anybody else seen this thing?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 10: Is Hugh Jackman in this?
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: I vaguely remember this happening.
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  Speaker 12: Boxing robot movie. What I will say about it, here's
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  Speaker 12: the thing. It is possibly the.
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  Speaker 9: Most manipulative movie I have ever seen. It is pulling
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  Speaker 9: those strings so damn hard. Oh, my God. Like, every
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  Speaker 9: little piece of it is very.
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  Speaker 12: set up to trigger this and that and whatever and
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  Speaker 12: the other even more startling thing is it still kind
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  Speaker 12: of works oh that's the worst because by the end
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  Speaker 12: when i'm like i really do care about this kid
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  Speaker 12: this but no i don't this is.
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  Speaker 9: A horrible you know what stops no.
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  Speaker 5: Can you please tell me that like it has a
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  Speaker 5: young ricky schroeder in it that would be.
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  Speaker 12: Awesome no telling where this kid will go maybe he
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  Speaker 12: will be the next rick when he gets older.
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  Speaker 13: That's how I felt at the end of Day of
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  Speaker 13: the Dolphin, where literally there are tears streaming down my cheeks,
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  Speaker 13: and I'm bawling, and I'm screaming at the television, you
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  Speaker 13: didn't earn this. But there's some films that they can't,
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  Speaker 13: like they do everything right, and even though they're so.
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  Speaker 10: Wrong, you can't stop.
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  Speaker 14: I wasn't quite that far, but I was like, it's
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  Speaker 14: kind of working, and it's worse because I'm conscious of it,
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  Speaker 14: because I'm sitting here going.
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  Speaker 12: This is so stupid, they're freaking robots there's no point
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  Speaker 12: to this there's no science to it which is what
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  Speaker 12: boxing is really it's the limits of the human body
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  Speaker 12: and when there are no limits and it's not any
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  Speaker 12: real feeling there's no sport to it it's just rock'em
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  Speaker 12: sock'em robots it is just one machine beating up another
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  Speaker 12: one and yet at the end i'm like come on
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  Speaker 12: little robot you can do it.
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  Speaker 9: He's the scrappy underdog robot, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 12: And he's fighting the evil corporation robots that are also
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  Speaker 12: run by foreign countries.
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  Speaker 9: I guess you can read into that whatever you want.
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  Speaker 9: We don't like Russia and Japan is what we're telling people.
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  Speaker 9: Who would have known? They would be the bad guys.
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  Speaker 2: Rocky IV meets WALL-E.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, kind of.
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  Speaker 10: There is something kind of about it.
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  Speaker 13: Because that's how I always feel about animal movies. Whatever
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  Speaker 13: the animal movie is, no matter how bad it is, I'm.
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  Speaker 10: Going to cry.
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  Speaker 13: I guess I have that same connection to robots, too.
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  Speaker 13: Short Circuit and all the robot movies.
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  Speaker 10: You really love those little robots.
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  Speaker 15: You kind of do.
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  Speaker 2: You have to have extra emotion for them because they
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  Speaker 2: have none.
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  Speaker 9: Well, and that's the thing.
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  Speaker 12: That's why I'm amazed. I mean, you have to give
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  Speaker 12: them some credit, I guess, because this robot doesn't even
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  Speaker 12: have personality.
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  Speaker 9: Like, he really is just a robot. They make it
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  Speaker 9: where he's sort of tapped.
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  Speaker 12: Into the kid, and then Hugh Jackman, and they have
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  Speaker 12: their weird different ways that it sort of interacts with them.
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  Speaker 9: But it never has a personality.
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  Speaker 12: It never has any feelings that they usually, like, shove
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  Speaker 12: into the robot storyline even though it's completely illogical this
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  Speaker 12: never goes down that road and yet still somehow by.
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  Speaker 14: The end of it you're like come on little robot
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  Speaker 14: you can do it it's so sad oh my.
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  Speaker 13: God I.
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  Speaker 12: I don't know yeah I sat there the whole time
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  Speaker 12: going damn it why is this working it's so bad
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  Speaker 12: and yet I don't know I mean.
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  Speaker 9: Hugh Jackman turns out a pretty decent.
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  Speaker 12: Performance actually like for a half-assed dad.
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  Speaker 14: And I'm fighting robot it so shouldn't work and by
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  Speaker 14: the end it's like well i mean it's not as
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  Speaker 14: embarrassing for him as i expected and it's not as
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  Speaker 14: horribly pieced together i mean it's stupid but i mean
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  Speaker 14: aside from that it's pretty functional as a movie.
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  Speaker 13: Just out of curiosity how did you watch that it came.
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  Speaker 12: On the tv for free I didn't have to give
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  Speaker 12: him any money, so that's how I watched it. It
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  Speaker 12: was on, and I didn't get up to change it
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  Speaker 12: or turn off the TV or do something more useful.
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  Speaker 6: The robot was missing at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: It's funny how effort, just the simple fact of having
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  Speaker 5: to put it in the DVD player makes the difference
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  Speaker 5: between whether or not you'll watch it.
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  Speaker 2: If it's on, I'll watch it.
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  Speaker 9: It was just there. I was like, all right, let's
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  Speaker 9: see these robots fight.
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  Speaker 5: When I had cable, I couldn't bring myself to change
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  Speaker 5: the channel when.
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  Speaker 2: Shawshank Redemption was on. Like, it was like, oh, it's on? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I have to finish watching it.
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  Speaker 9: I think a lot of people have that weird connection.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 6: That's how I am with Goodfellas. Every time.
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  Speaker 2: I can't watch the TV version of Goodfellas. It's like, that's.
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  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be cursing there.
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  Speaker 6: It depends on what channel they're showing it on. They
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  Speaker 6: can get creative with it.
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  Speaker 9: Sometimes that's its own game.
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  Speaker 12: For a while there, that became the joke, was watch
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  Speaker 12: the most foul-mouthed movie on regular TV and see what
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  Speaker 12: they did. Because sometimes I'm like, shouldn't that two-hour movie
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  Speaker 12: be about 15 minutes now where you finish editing everything
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  Speaker 12: out of it? And somehow they still make it fit
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  Speaker 12: and Some of the things they use to replace other
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  Speaker 12: words is so ludicrous.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: That's its own fun game, if you ask me.
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  Speaker 9: So that's all I really was going to go into.
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  Speaker 12: That's horrible enough right there.
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  Speaker 6: So was that a recommendation? Wait, are you endorsing this film?
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  Speaker 2: It is the movie meltdown stamp of approval. It's a
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  Speaker 2: guilty pleasure recommendation.
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  Speaker 6: I don't even know if that's a guilty pleasure.
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  Speaker 9: It's like a guilty... I watched it.
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  Speaker 10: It's a confession more than anything.
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  Speaker 9: It's a guilty... I can't believe I didn't hate it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: that's what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 11: It sounds like a, God damn.
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  Speaker 2: It, why didn't I hate this?
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  Speaker 11: I wanted to hate this.
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  Speaker 9: But, I mean... There it was. It was a movie,
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  Speaker 9: all right. I'm not sure, you know, so.
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  Speaker 12: Many little points along the way I want to argue with,
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  Speaker 12: but in the end I was like, well, yeah, they
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  Speaker 12: was fighting robots, all right.
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  Speaker 13: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: It was there. I watched it. I will not deny that.
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  Speaker 9: I watched it. Anyone else?
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  Speaker 11: I know I'd mentioned prior to this, I just recently
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  Speaker 11: saw Mississippi Burning for no other reason than, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 11: I've got some spare time to kill. Actually, it was
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  Speaker 11: one of those things where I was planning on kind
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  Speaker 11: of halfway watching it because it's not that I expected
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  Speaker 11: it to be bad. I didn't expect it to be special.
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  Speaker 11: I was like, well, just this whole police procedure, you know, yeah. But, um,
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  Speaker 11: it was like after the first 15, 20 minutes, I
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  Speaker 11: found that I can't remember what I was going to do,
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  Speaker 11: whether it was going to fold laundry or just straight
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  Speaker 11: or whatever, while it was kind of going on in
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  Speaker 11: the background, I instantly became hooked and just sat there.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think because admittedly I like Gene Hackman, um,
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  Speaker 11: in most anything, even if it's in Superman II. I'll
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  Speaker 11: forgive him for that. Superman II, that's fun. It's just
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  Speaker 11: got a great supporting cast because you've got Gaylord Sartain
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  Speaker 11: as the sheriff. You've got, I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 11: some of the others. Yeah, Stephen Tobolowsky. Michael Rooker, I mean,
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  Speaker 11: it's just got a great supporting cast to back up
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  Speaker 11: the main crew that are in here, and it's an
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  Speaker 11: effectively told story. It's been done so many times before,
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  Speaker 11: but this was done well when it came to that
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  Speaker 11: police procedure story.
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  Speaker 12: And it sets it in a very weird circumstance for
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  Speaker 12: that kind of story.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, not a true Lynchian universe, but it definitely feels
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  Speaker 11: a little separated from reality just because they take this,
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  Speaker 11: you know, very backwards town. But you buy that these
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  Speaker 11: places do exist. You don't deny that fact that those
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  Speaker 11: types of towns are out there. And it did bother
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  Speaker 11: me at first. It didn't explain how it was that
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  Speaker 11: Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe came to work together. I
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  Speaker 11: almost feel like if somebody were to make that today,
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  Speaker 11: they would have to give the exposition saying, I'm going
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  Speaker 11: to put this new rookie who thinks he knows it
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  Speaker 11: all with the old guy who's been doing it forever
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  Speaker 11: it's like they would have to give you that setup
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  Speaker 11: but here it's like no you're seeing it down the
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  Speaker 11: road where most other films would start off and i
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  Speaker 11: grew to appreciate it for that fact that they didn't
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  Speaker 11: give you all that background because you didn't need it.
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  Speaker 6: That is true like you just first time you see
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  Speaker 6: him it's just they're just driving and he's like annoying
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  Speaker 6: he's like jokingly saying that like some.
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  Speaker 11: It's like a KKK song, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And it's just like, and that's the first time you
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  Speaker 6: see them, and it's just kind of like, and you
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  Speaker 6: don't need anything more than that. You totally accept that
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  Speaker 6: they're these two cops. They're different people because Willem Dafoe
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  Speaker 6: is kind of annoyed by them. But it's like, right
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  Speaker 6: off the bat, you don't need to have a setup
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  Speaker 6: to understand that they have this dynamic where they're going
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  Speaker 6: to be kind of butting heads a little bit. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it totally works.
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  Speaker 11: Because, I mean, the whole good cop, bad cop, by
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  Speaker 11: the books cop, and doesn't play by the rules copy.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, that's been done so much. And it probably
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  Speaker 11: was also due to the fact that, I mean, you're
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  Speaker 11: giving it to Hackman and to Defoe, and they both
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  Speaker 11: are just excellent.
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  Speaker 9: It's kind of hard to go up there, really.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Especially in New South Park, perhaps.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I was going to say, I saw this as $ 40, 000.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: Well, no. I mean, I liked it. I really did
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  Speaker 6: like it. I mean, it wasn't as a comedy. I
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  Speaker 6: started to realize from the get-go that I wasn't expecting
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  Speaker 6: a huge laugh-out-loud comedy in the vein of, say, 40-Year-Old Virgin.
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  Speaker 6: Even Knocked Up, it was a pretty funny movie. But
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  Speaker 6: judging from where Judd Apatow, from the movies he's directed,
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  Speaker 6: from the 40-Year-Old Virgin to funny people. He's gotten more
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  Speaker 6: into like personal, you know, dramatic stories that are, you know,
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  Speaker 6: sprinkled with funny throughout rather than just like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: wacky comedies, which is basically what the 40 year old
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  Speaker 6: version of Virgin was. And this movie was like, basically
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  Speaker 6: it totally was, you know, logically followed that path. It's
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  Speaker 6: probably his least funny movie to date, but it's also
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  Speaker 6: probably his most, I felt like his most honest movie
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  Speaker 6: and like the characters in it felt, very real life.
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  Speaker 6: Like I'm, I was surprised like how much, like there
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  Speaker 6: are these moments of wacky comedy, but they still managed
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  Speaker 6: to feel like, I'm like, these are like my relatives.
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  Speaker 6: Like this is this.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, yeah. And it just, the way it conveyed
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  Speaker 6: these stressful moments of adulthood or like, you know, family dynamics,
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  Speaker 6: it's like, Oh yeah. When so-and-so asked for money, it's like, ah,
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  Speaker 6: and it's just the way it conveys that was really
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  Speaker 6: honest and like, well done. And I wasn't expecting that
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  Speaker 6: kind of, I don't know, depth of, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what to say, character, but just like that. He really
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  Speaker 6: surprised me just with how seriously he took the story
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  Speaker 6: and the characters. But at the same time, it's like,
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  Speaker 6: as a comedy, it's not... If you're going to see
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  Speaker 6: a comedy, you're going to be gravely disappointed. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: there's a few, like, really laugh-out-loud moments in it, but it's...
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  Speaker 6: For what it is, it's totally fine. You know, Paul Rudd,
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  Speaker 6: it might be like it's probably one of his best... Like,
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  Speaker 6: one of the better, like, characters he's played. Like, one
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  Speaker 6: of the most complex, I would say.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he doesn't get a lot of that, really.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is, like, I mean, it was hard
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  Speaker 6: because judging from the trailer, like, I thought, like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: he's going to be, you know, silly Paul Rudd. But, like,
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  Speaker 6: the amount of times in the movie where, like, him
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  Speaker 6: and his wife, Leslie Mann, are, like, getting into these ugly, like,
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  Speaker 6: bitter fights is, like, kind of disturbing on how, like,
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  Speaker 6: realistic it's, like, I didn't know this movie was going
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  Speaker 6: to go in this direction. But I kind of like that.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not a downer. at all. Like it's, it
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  Speaker 6: definitely has some really, like I said, funny parts, but
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  Speaker 6: compared to knock, knocked up and especially the four year
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  Speaker 6: old version, it's like totally far removed. And I think
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  Speaker 6: that's why a lot of people might've been disappointed in it.
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  Speaker 6: And it's like, yeah, you do, it is kind of
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  Speaker 6: a stressful movie. Like it's like a lot of the,
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  Speaker 6: like the midsection is all about like, you know, the,
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  Speaker 6: the drama comes from like not being able to pay
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  Speaker 6: like a mortgage or, you know, them, you know, money
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  Speaker 6: not coming in like you want, and just all this, like,
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  Speaker 6: complex stuff, and it's just like, ah, this isn't a
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  Speaker 6: very happy-go-lucky funny movie, but I thought it still worked.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, so counterpoint. This movie broke my heart.
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  Speaker 13: Only because I want to find Judd Apatow and give
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  Speaker 13: him a big hug and say, Judd Apatow, you're Judd Apatow.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope he's happier than this movie leads on
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  Speaker 6: to suggest.
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  Speaker 13: You're really good at making this very specific kind of movie.
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  Speaker 13: In fact, you're the best at it. You were so
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  Speaker 13: awesome at making the knocked-ups of the world. don't try
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  Speaker 13: to go in this direction because I think he fails.
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  Speaker 13: And I think he wants so much to be John
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  Speaker 13: Cassavetes that it breaks my heart. And the movie, I
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  Speaker 13: just felt like the funny parts were super funny, but
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  Speaker 13: the rest I found tedious.
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  Speaker 10: I found grating.
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  Speaker 11: I never cared about the characters.
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  Speaker 10: That's the way I found knocked up.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't feel as bloated as knocked up to me, though.
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  Speaker 6: That's the thing. It felt like a more.
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  Speaker 9: It.
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  Speaker 6: Had a purpose going. There was... The dramatic flow was
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  Speaker 6: more focused because it wasn't just like Seth Rogen and
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  Speaker 6: his friends plus Paul Rudd's family. Like it was a
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  Speaker 6: bunch of these people knocked up. It was just the family.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what we're focusing on, like their marital problems.
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: And that was basically like, it didn't venture outside of that.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: It didn't have these kind of long improvised comedy scenes,
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: which is like also like it's Judd Apatow, like those
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: kinds of scenes where people are just like doing impressions
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: and just like taking a joke, you know, as far
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: as it can go and just improvising like that's, his
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: strength and his weakness. Like sometimes he can go too
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: far with that. And sometimes it doesn't, because this movie
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: didn't have a lot as much of that. It felt
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: a little bit more focused, but at the same time
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: as a comedy, it also suffered because of that. And it,
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: it's like I said, it's definitely like more of a stressful,
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: I mean that in a good way because it felt
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: honest to me. Like, I'm not like, I'm not married.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: I don't have kids, but like, it felt real. Like
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: those moments when they're fighting and they're just like, they, they,
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: they're having these arguments where they're just kind of, you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: at their wits end. And it just, it definitely felt
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: like I was surprising, like how, like what, how we
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: went in that direction, but no, sorry, continue.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to have to say that I've not
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: seen it and I didn't want to see it because
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: I didn't like his path of borderline fairly brothers kind
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: of comedy stuff.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: And, and, I fell in love almost from the first
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: episode when, when I couldn't even find what channel it
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: was on with freaks and geeks. And I thought he
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: could really tap into real life and make it light,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: but really can make it feel almost that pain of
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: high school.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah. And here's what made it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: And I, that hearing that makes me want to see
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: this more like he's going back to how he was with,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: with that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: And I think a lot of people like, some of
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: the reviews I read afterwards said like his image of
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: like a kind of a failing marriage or whatever, aren't
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: that like, you can't take it too seriously. Like it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: too light. Like I didn't, I totally felt the opposite.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: I felt like movies that are about failing marriages that
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: are really dark and like involved, like really serious. Like
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: I feel like that's not totally represent because real life
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: does have like funny moments and it's very wild and
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: unpredictable and, And, like, that mixture of kind of, like, oh,
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: you know, we can joke about it now and, like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: you may have some good days and, like, it's fun.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: And then it'll just, everything goes to shit. And, like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: that kind of chaotic element is what makes it stressful.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: And that kind of stressful feeling is, like, permeates throughout
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: the whole movie here. I think Woody Allen's really good
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: at that, too. Like, Annie Hall would be a good example. Like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: it's funny.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: It's sad.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: Like, it's so, like, bipolar and crazy.
• 18:58
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: And that kind of gives it like a realistic stressful,
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: like I've used the word stress so much. But it's like,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: it is like the one like main, I feel like
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: feeling I had about it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: I feel like.
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: He wants to make important films and I don't think
• 19:17
  Speaker 13: that he's an important filmmaker. And I think that was
• 19:19
  Speaker 13: the part that kind of hurt me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: I feel like he needs to stop with this. This
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: needs to be as far as he goes. Like it's,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: it's awesome. I thought it was very interesting and intriguing. Like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: and I like the experience of seeing how far he
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: could take it with this is 40. Now I'd like
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: to see him make, I mean, not necessarily like make
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: a slapstick Farley brothers come, but like go in some
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: other opposite direction because he's only been just kind.
• 19:42
  Speaker 11: Of, The stuff that he produces that turns out to
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: be comedic, I feel like works. I feel like super
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: bad works and I feel like Pineapple Express works. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: feel like when he's just the creative producer, it's a
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: whole lot better than when he's the director. But I mean, again,
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: I'm only basing that off of.
• 19:57
  Speaker 16: I.
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: Sat through Knocked Up to the end and I was
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: over at a friend's house and they put on 40-Year-Old
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: Virgin about half hour in. I'm like, I got other
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: stuff I need to be doing.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: I feel like though, he's just, that's just the kind
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: of directory is he's not, he doesn't feel like he
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: wants to waste time experimenting. He's, if he's going to
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: make and direct his own movie, he's wants to get
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: down to making the movies he wants to make. And
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: it's clearly like, this is going to be it. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not, at the same time, I'm not very hopeful.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Like I don't expect him to, you know, make direct
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: his own super bad or pop. Like he, he'll, he'll
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: produce stuff like that and he'll have fun doing it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: I feel like he sees that as more of a,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: side project he does with friends but as far as
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: him making his own films he wants to be this
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: auteur and that's.
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: What i think the whole problem is i think that's
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: why those movies work is they're genuine in the sense
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: that they're fun but also i mean it's it's it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: almost as if and you know when i watched knocked
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: up i i felt like i was watching something where
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: i was watching him go through a checklist like if
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: i want to try to make a romantic comedy that's
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: going to appeal to everybody. I need to have all
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: these things in, and I feel like I'm just sitting
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: there just checking them off as you go. I'm just like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: I didn't care about any of the characters in it whatsoever.
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: I think a lot of modern comedy falls into that
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: for me.
• 21:17
  Speaker 17: I haven't seen so much of that genre in the
• 21:21
  Speaker 17: past 10 years, because everything, I'll just see the trailer,
• 21:25
  Speaker 17: and I'll be like, either it looks horrible and.
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: Not funny at all, Or it looks like I've just
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: gotten the best right out of the trailer.
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: And I don't need to sit there for two hours.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Here's what I've noticed is like, is probably the, for
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: me was the biggest, like we are like the film's
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: biggest shortcoming was that even though he wants to be
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: this kind of personal messy, like getting down to the,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: you know, to real life experience, like this is what
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: he wants. He still feels the need to like wrap
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: things up into like kind of a romantic comedy bow
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: in a weird way. Like, I don't want to give
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: too much, but there is kind of like, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: the end of the four-year-old version where he's just like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I'm riding on a bicycle. And it's this rushed kind of,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: this is the climax of the movie. He has to,
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: and something's going to come to a, you know, a
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: big crash, like halts. And then everyone's going to like
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: sit and, you know, admit that they forgive it. You know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: it's going to have this kind of sort of, it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: going to try to tidy things up, but that totally
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: goes against what the untidy tone of the film. And like,
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: I think he shouldn't have even tried to go for that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: He should have totally just like, not tried to have
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: the characters just, you know, stand in the circle and
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: being like, okay, this is basically like at the end
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: of it, it was like, you know, the end of
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: like an intermission, like it, it shouldn't be like a confrontation,
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: like a group therapy circle. Like I forgive you for that.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: Like it should just totally be real life and no one,
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: everyone just balls up their shit. Like that would have
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: been more realistic.
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: I think he kind of had to do that for
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: the sake of his wife and kids, though, because, like,
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: by all of their own admissions, like, it was about
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: their marriage and their family. And he cast his wife
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: and wife and he cast his kids. And by the
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: end of it, you're like, Jesus Christ, Judd Apatow and
• 23:02
  Speaker 13: Leslie Mann just need to get a divorce.
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: Like, this is terrible.
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: This is a terrible marriage.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: And it makes me wonder, like, you know, his kids,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: it's weird. Like, you know, they're in this movie where, like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: their real life, like, I don't know, it's just weird. Like, there's...
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: They're like saying fuck every like three– which is fine
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: enough because I'm sure you grew up in the Apatow household,
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: like that kind of thing. It's just from your whole life.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: That's totally accepted.
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: I was going to say you mentioned– I'm sorry. Go
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: ahead and finish.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: No, I was just– I'm rambling about nothing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean you mentioned Annie Hall and how it
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: is very much bipolar and I was like, well, to
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: me– that works where knocked up didn't because that is
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: characteristic because, because, because that's characteristic. Hang with me here.
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: You're going to like where this goes because that's characteristic
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: of the narrator because Annie Hall is essentially coming from
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: the narrator. So it's going to reflect his personality. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: if that's the case, I mean, you know, from what
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: I recall and knocked up, it was just this, stoner
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: to where he was having to deal with the fact
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: that it was growing up and my whole issue with
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: it was there were points of hilarity but they were
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: crudely broken by these very serious moments and i suppose
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: if i were to go back and watch that again
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: i might be able to reevaluate it watching it from
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: that point of view that i am essentially watching a
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: movie from the point of view of a stoner in
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: the sense that there are these moments that are with
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: his friends and are very hilarious and they're cruelly juxtaposed
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: with reality. So I suppose I should perhaps give it
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: a second viewing, perhaps, to reevaluate. Do you like where
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: I took that, Brian?
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I just love that you're comparing and contrasting Annie Hall
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: and Knocked Up.
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: I have no... I mean, Knocked Up, I don't own
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: the DVD. I saw it in the theater.
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: I'll never see it again. I have no interest in
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: ever seeing it again. He makes silly comedies, I think
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: was the point I was trying to make. And he
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: makes them effectively, and people laugh, and people enjoy them.
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: And I think he's trying to take a turn as
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: a director. And I appreciate his ambition. God bless him.
• 25:07
  Speaker 13: But I just don't think he has it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: Sounds like Judd Apatow is trying to take a 180.
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: I keep serving this back to you.
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 25:16
  Speaker 15: Ben's not done.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm still like, I don't know, because it's fresh
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: on my mind. I just got done seeing it last night. Well,
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I think this is for you. Like, I think it
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: would have been a much better movie if he had just,
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: I wanted him to just kind of, get it out
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: of the system and make his interiors, you know, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: just get that darkness. Because he's going in that direction.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: I wish Knocked Up weren't still trying to be sort
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: of a comedy. I wish just all the comedy was just, like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: exercised out of the whole thing, and it was just this, like,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: just depressing, just... I wish he'd just gone, like, just 100%, like, full-on, like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: I'm not even going to try to make you laugh.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: I still like it, but I just think it could
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: have been even better had he... not still tried to
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: have the comedy in there, which.
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: It looks cool in the movies.
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: But I think that's why it turned out to be
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: a three-hour movie or whatever it was.
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's a really long movie.
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: It's well over two hours. It's like two hours and
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: 45 minutes or something.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: It went on forever.
• 26:07
  Speaker 13: I remember getting out of the theater and being like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: I am late for everything I play. I assumed this
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: was going to be a 90-minute comedy.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I'm late for tomorrow. It is almost two and.
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: A half hours.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: It's really long.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Every movie that's out right now is like 300.
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: But I think it's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: Because there's a 60 minute comedy and then there's a
• 26:23
  Speaker 13: 90 minute drama and he just kind of mashed them
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: together and I do think that the comedy was more
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: effective than the drama like I felt like the drama
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: was I just I didn't I wasn't invested in the
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: way that I should have been the kids were.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: The funniest part of the movie they were like twice
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: as funny as Paul Rudd and Leslie Mann like Paul
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Rudd and Leslie Mann were just more than anything just
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: Their characters depress the shit out of me.
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: Since we made the comparison, do you.
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: Because, I mean, that's pretty much what Woody Allen started
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: out doing was very slapsticky, goofy comedies.
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: But he's talented.
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to ask.
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: Do you feel that it's possible to leave one and
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: go to the other?
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: Absolutely. Because he got.
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: Very dark as time went on.
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: But Judd Apatow, not the guy.
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: So you're a fan of Curse of the Jade Scorpion.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Judd Apatow, to me, I don't think he has the
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: ambition or the... Woody Allen was always this guy who
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: was like, I want to be Fellini, I want to
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: be Bergman. He always wanted to be those guys, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: he felt kind of trapped.
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: Well, the thing that works for Woody Allen is he
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: practices all the damn time. The guy's been making pretty
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: much a movie a year since the early 70s. It's
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: astounding that he constantly... Every given year, there's a Woody
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: Allen movie out in theaters.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: I kind of wish Judd Apatow maybe was offering, because
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: maybe he would.
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: I feel like he's going to this kind of slower
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: pace and it's not helping him that he has, it
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: makes this is 40 feel like all the more like
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: that much more of a dud that we had to
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: wait because like, and you know, the funny people wasn't
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: that great either.
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: Like it was like, no, it was okay.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: It wasn't terrible.
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: It was actually terrible, but it was, he was trying
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: to do that same thing.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of movies, it was pretty serious.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: It was like, yeah, I mean, it definitely felt original. Like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: it was trying to, even before 50-50, it was like
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: the cancer comedy before 50-50. And I thought, you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: once 50-50 came out, I was like, this has already
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: been done, so I'm not even interested. But like the
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: fact that he was the first person to take a
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: crack at it was kind of interesting.
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: But the funny cancer movies?
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: The cancer comedy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: The 50-50 was really good.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: The 50-50 was good, but I mean, at the same time,
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: I was like, you know, this was made like two
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: years ago with that same guy in it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 15: It's a little odd that he.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: Would want to do this again.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: What's up with him doing cancer movies?
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: But I mean, You know, I think one difference is
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: if you were to compare Woody Allen, I mean, he.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Is much.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: More socially inept. than Judd Apatow. Judd Apatow, I think,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: is well-adjusted, you know, the common guy. Woody Allen is not,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: he's not right. I mean, he's, I mean, he's not,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: I don't think he can do that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: He's fighting pop culture and Judd Apatow is always in
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: love with pop culture.
• 28:58
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think he knows, he's a nerd in that
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: he loves film.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: God, I love him. He's fantastic at his craft.
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: Basically, what it sounds like, yeah, and it's Judd Apatow
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: almost refuses to exploit his own niche.
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe. Or needs to embrace the niche that he's in.
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: I think he needs to embrace.
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: His limited capacity for.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Almost like.
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: He's staying broader than he needs to be, so that
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: way he can eventually build a following to make... I
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: don't know.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Well, even the setup for this is... I mean, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: This Is 40, they're tapping into that. We're going to
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: get all those people that are out for their... you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: they've taken the kids to the babysitters and they're going
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: to get out and go see this movie and they're
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: going to love it. And they're all going to buy
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: the DVD DVD because it's there. It's them in their
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: lives and they're having trouble with money or their relationship
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: or whatever. You know, it's, Hey, they grew up with,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: you know, these, these comedy movies, but life sucks now.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, I don't know. It's almost a
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: formulaic and like they did.
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Let's do a demographic study on what movie the people
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: with the money are going to go see.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And that's it. This is our niche.
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: I think he's just running into a dead end because
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: I mean, you know, funny people didn't get really any
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: recognition critically or financially. Right. And the same is pretty
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: much going for this, uh, And they were so desperate saying,
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: it's the sort of sequel to Knocked Up. I don't
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: think hardly anyone would have seen it had you not
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: attached the Knocked Up signal to it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: And it's so weird that, I mean, it doesn't really
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: spoil anything. I mean, like Seth Rogen and Katherine Heigl,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: neither of them are in the movie at all. Which
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: I thought that was kind of odd. I mean, I
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: could have my own theories as to why that probably.
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: Was the case.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Because Katherine Heigl doesn't need to be in any of these?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, Judd Apatow still, I think, has a brush.
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: That is not a love story.
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: Because Captain Hyde was shooting six other horrible movies simultaneously.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: And probably Seth Rogen was probably, I bet, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: they probably asked Seth Rogen, he was probably filming something.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: There is a scene where you do see Seth Rogen's picture, like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: hanging on a wall, and that's, like, as far as they.
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: See, that sounds about as forced or silly as having.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: It's very shoehorned. I almost wish he totally.
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: That's got to be up there with the Sean Connery
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: picture in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was going to say, I wish they hadn't
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: included it. I almost wish this was an alternate version
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: where this family... It's like a sitcom thing. It's this family,
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: but it's an alternate universe where the Seth Rogen and
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Katherine Heigl... they don't exist or they're not important, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: they still had to shoehorn that picture. And like, it's
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: weird that they don't mention, cause like there's this hole
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: in the movie, like it's a buildup cause they're turning 40.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: It's like having a birthday party and like neither of
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: those characters shows up and it's like, Hey, she's supposed
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: to be your sister.
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: And they could have at least had them die in
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: a car accident.
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: It was just weird.
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: But I mean, it's like, why couldn't your sister be here? Oh,
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: they're stuck out of town on this.
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: They go audience. Say that literally, actually.
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: And the audience will go, yeah, whatever.
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: We don't care either.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: But I think just Apatow is just... He's just.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: He likes to... All his movies are just like riffs.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: Like a bunch of riffs. Like that just kind of
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: don't really... I don't know. I mean, I say there's
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: a story there, I guess. But it's just a story
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: made of riffs. Of like people just... I don't know, like.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: Having arguments about relationships and making a funny joke or
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: a pop culture reference and then cut to a scene
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: at an office where they're doing the exact same thing.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: The best part about 40-year-old version was the deleted scene
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: when Paul Rudd and Seth Rogen were doing the, you
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: know how I know you're.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Gay bit back and forth?
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And it was like five minutes where they went back
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and forth.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: That was a... Yeah.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: That was the best scene in the movie and it
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't in the movie. So, I mean, they do it
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: for like.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the long version is not even in the original movie.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: It just seems so dumb.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, it is dumb, but it's still.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: It's just so juvenile. I'm like, really? This is what
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: made how many millions of dollars? I don't know. I'm just...
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: I think I want more for my comedies, damn it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: And see, that's the whole thing that kind of thrills
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: me off. It's like, Judd Apatow is already a name
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: after Four-Year-Old Virgin had knocked up.
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: And Superbad.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Superbad is not his.
• 33:25
  Speaker 13: It is.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: He produced it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: He didn't direct it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Didn't he co-write it?
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: Did he co-write it?
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: You complete him, man.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: When they say it's Shadaptel, they totally take into account
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: his production. You have to. He's a brand at this point. Yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: he's a brand.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: That's the thing.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: I feel like a lot of maybe what.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: The problem with him could be like with the movies
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: he directs is he, I think he has this fear
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: of like wanting, like I have to separate the movies
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: that I direct from the movies that I produce.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: The movies he produces, I find fun though.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the thing. But I feel like he just
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: wants to separate himself so much. He just doesn't want,
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: which I think, I mean, I don't like the way
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: he tries to separate himself so much in the direction
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: he's going with like being super serious.
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: We're talking super bad, right?
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: It's a fun movie.
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: No, it was Seth Rogen co-wrote it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: And Evan Goldberg.
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: I was thinking he just produced it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Superbad. Superbad.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: This dude is bad. And he ain't just fly. He's
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: super fly.
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: When it comes to women, they come to him. But
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: it's still not enough. He wants a big score. A
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: million in cash. Yeah, the big one.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: This is a chance, and I want to take it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Before I have to kill somebody.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Before somebody ices me. What kind of money are we
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: talking about?
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: I quit now that I took all this chance for nothing,
• 35:44
  Speaker 18: and I go back to being nothing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Working some jive job for chump change.
• 35:48
  Speaker 13: Day after day.
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: Look, if that's all I'm supposed to do, then they're
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: going to have to kill me because that ain't enough.
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: Ain't I clean? Bad machine.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Super cool.
• 35:56
  Speaker 12: Super mean.
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: Feeling good for the man.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Super fly. Here I stand.
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: Secret stash.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Heavy bread.
• 36:02
  Speaker 13: Baddest bitches in the bed.
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: I'm your pusher, man.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Can a super fly Harlem dude lead the system? He's
• 36:14
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• 36:18
  Speaker 3: super hood, super high, super dude, super fly.
• 36:28
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• 36:30
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• 36:33
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• 36:38
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• 36:51
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• 36:53
  Speaker 16: So why fuss?
• 36:54
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• 36:57
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• 36:58
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• 37:00
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• 37:20
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• 37:24
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  Speaker 7: You move with the feeling and you sure know how.
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: No, no, no.
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: I love that movie.
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: The reason why I laughed was because you just unearthed
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: a memory that was so far suppressed. I watched that
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: when it came out on VHS and reviewed it for
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: my school newspaper because when I was in the 8th grade,
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: I always reviewed completely inappropriate.
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: Things for my elementary school newspaper.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: It hasn't changed.
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: I was going back through stuff and I was like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: oh my god, I reviewed Sex, Lies, and Videotape for my.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Elementary school newspaper.
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: 8th, I think.
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: Whatever it came out.
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: This explains so much.
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: But I was like, and I totally missed the point
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: of the film, thankfully.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's probably the best at that point.
• 41:27
  Speaker 13: But I just don't know who the advisor, the teacher
• 41:30
  Speaker 13: was that was like, sure.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: They were smacking a lot of the teacher's lap.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: They didn't give a shit.
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: Okay, who else watched them?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I watched a couple.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: One that I'm still trying to pin down whether or
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: not I liked it, and I think this happens with the.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Um, somewhat comedy, drama, independent films, um, genre. And this
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: is the, um, Jeff who lives at home.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, Oh, Oh, I love that movie.
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I, I really liked, you say love. I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: really liked it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: I liked the path that it went down. I didn't
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: even know what to expect from it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I was just like, Oh, okay. We're going on this journey.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Kind of like Jason Siegel's going on this journey, uh,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: He's just getting there. I thought the Susan Sarandon bit
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: felt a little forced.
• 42:26
  Speaker 13: But wasn't it fun to have Rae Dawn Chong back.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: For a little bit?
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: Oh, no.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I've been looking for more of her since Commando. And
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I thought she was great. And I liked the exchange
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: at the water cooler. This is the first person I've
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: had to talk about.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: It with, so sorry.
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: I haven't seen it since last spring when I saw
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: it in the theater.
• 42:44
  Speaker 13: And I declared it then my favorite movie of the year,
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: not having seen anything else this year, and it stayed.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: You know, I think by the time you get to
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: the climax, you've kind of incrementally been stepped toward. If
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: you heard that that was going to happen at the end,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: you'd probably go, you know, but you've been led to
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: believe enough things have happened along the way. You're like, okay,
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: I can accept this. Um, I, but I wondered if, if,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: is it a, you know, was it to me? Cause
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: I really liked it and I didn't want, you know, I, I,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I did really like it, but I was trying to
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: decide if I, if I did like it or if
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: it was a genuine, if it was genuine, I.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Don't know how to put it that way.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Am I being tricked by that independent style movie mindset
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: where you watch it and you're enamored by it and
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: then you realize go, yeah, then you realize go, wait,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: that really wasn't good.
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: No.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, tell me though what I'm right about.
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: You were absolutely right. It's a perfect film.
• 43:49
  Speaker 13: I don't actually want to talk about it at all
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: because I want people to go into it not knowing anything.
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: Because I didn't know anything and I was just completely
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: enamored by it. I thought that I loved all the characters.
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: It was so watchable. It was so funny. It was
• 44:01
  Speaker 13: just a delightful thing to experience. It had something to say.
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: It was smart. I loved it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah it's you can go into it easily it's not
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: it's comfortable pajamas kind of a movie you know you're
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: not you don't have to yeah think yeah it's it's
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: good but i still don't i still i'm i'm maybe
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: i'm still too close to it by i'm trying i'm
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: being guarded in that i don't want to come back
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: and go oh wait that was crap you know later
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: on do a 180 on it down the road and
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: that's what i'm guarding.
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: Against so well i hope that i don't because maybe
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: you should never see it again okay.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: No it's it's it's good it it'll it'll um yeah
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: it'll it's good to.
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: Watch oh i also saw i forgot sleepwalk with.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Me yes which i watched that recently too.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: I liked it um yeah i like like from getting
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: in like it was very enjoyable very funny like i
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: always liked um Mike Birbiglia, like, his stand-up was really funny.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: I do think, like, it does kind of suck because, like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: I had already heard, like, his stand-up routine. So, like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: a lot of the funny jokes in the movie were just, like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: literally taken from that and, like, I already knew the jokes.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: So I felt like if I hadn't heard that, it
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: would have been even more funny. But it was still
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: a really, like, kind of interesting, kind of, like, Woody
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: Allen light, almost.
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: Yeah. You know?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I like that he directed. It was him doing the direction.
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: It was his own thing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he was, like, talking to the camera. That
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: was really interesting.
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: It's still like this like running joke like with him
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: that just cracks me up like in all the stand-up
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: he just has this weird obsession with eating pizza like
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: that he has to always work i love to i
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: love to see that it was definitely included into the
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: film like that's that's just so funny to me like
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: uh no i thought it was pretty good I think it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: Was a really good year for those movies. Like there
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: weren't any of the films. I don't really know what
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: the Oscar films are going to be. Like I don't,
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: I haven't seen any movies that are supposed to be
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: good and I haven't seen that yet, but I haven't
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: like those big studio films.
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: It's probably going to be like Lincoln and Ms.
• 46:06
  Speaker 18: Rob.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: It's going to come down to Lincoln or Zero Dark Thirty.
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: It's my, like, 100%, like, one of those two movies.
• 46:12
  Speaker 13: I've been underwhelmed by the studio, like, the bigger films,
• 46:15
  Speaker 13: but I will say that, like, for... I hate to
• 46:17
  Speaker 13: use the word quirky again, but, like, for just, like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: the independent comedies.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: It has been a good year.
• 46:21
  Speaker 10: Like, Ruby Sparks, I thought was charming.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: The sound of my voice... That wasn't... That was more
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: of a dark.
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: It was charming, but it was good.
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: Um.
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: What else am I thinking?
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: I think the door would have been opened for The
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Master this year. The movie that I expected The Master
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: to be is so much better and Oscar-worthy than The
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Master is.
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: I hated that film.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But weren't you built up like, this is going to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: be it?
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: I don't trust P.T.
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: Anderson anymore, so I really wasn't.
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: If it had been P.T. Anderson of days gone by, perhaps.
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: See, I haven't been disappointed by him myself, but.
• 46:57
  Speaker 12: Do you feel they're going to have pressure to nominate
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: at least some of the actors just because it was
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: such a big build-up?
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: Because I've wondered that going in.
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: I was like, everybody's been kind of underwhelmed by that movie,
• 47:07
  Speaker 12: but they built it up so much.
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: And Oscars are always sort of like... I don't think
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: the Masters have really.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: Been that built up as an Oscar. It really hasn't.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: It came out too early. No one's been talking.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: About it lately.
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: And now it's been sort of forgotten.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: I think that Walking Phoenix... He has a pretty strong
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: chance of winning.
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: Because another one that was built up a lot for
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: the Oscars and then just died at box office was Hitchcock.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: I don't even think that was ever going to be
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: an Oscar. That just looked kind of like cheesy entertainment.
• 47:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was all right, but it was nothing impressive.
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: That's the thing.
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: I expected to like it more. I mean, it was
• 47:41
  Speaker 12: just sort of a run-of-the-mill retelling of the story.
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: It wasn't bad. It's just I expected a little more
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: out of it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: It's a fun companion piece with the girl, though. Have
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: you seen the girl? The HBO, I think it's HBO.
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: The one that just did this year? Yeah, the Sienna Miller.
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: It's his relationship with J.P.
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: Hedren as opposed to his relationship with Janet.
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: Leigh, which is two very different relationships.
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: So if you watch them back-to-back, they're cumulative sum of
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: their parts.
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: I should do one about his relationship with Leo G.
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: Carroll.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Now, my vote for the Oscars, though, is the.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Film that I thought Master was going to be.
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: In an alternate universe.
• 48:23
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: That will sweep the.
• 48:25
  Speaker 11: I'm going to say Samsara, which is not going to
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: be acknowledged whatsoever.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: No, it totally won't.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: Maybe that should.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: Probably because it's too good.
• 48:33
  Speaker 11: It wouldn't even be nominated for like.
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: Like, story concept. Like, not script and not film.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Documentation.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: We were really expecting this. The last couple Oscars, like,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: this included, it kind of bumps me out because it's like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: I totally know, like, I know what's going to win.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: I know what the stuff I love, like, I know
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: that none of it's going to get nominated. So, like,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: I'm kind of not that invested. And usually I am.
• 48:58
  Speaker 12: I still like the big show of it. I kind
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: of like the ridiculousness of the whole thing. But I'm
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: just so... invested in any of it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: Well the last three or four years have just fallen
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: flat i mean even billy crystal last year i felt
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: like they were like okay we're gonna go ahead and
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: get billy crystal for you to be able to redeem
• 49:16
  Speaker 11: what the past two or three shows have been sucking.
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: It's like, past the opening montage, I was like, this
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: has fallen flat and he's barely on. It's just, it
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: didn't work.
• 49:27
  Speaker 10: I will always love the pageantry.
• 49:28
  Speaker 13: The fact that the statement Oscar-winning actress Reese Witherspoon is
• 49:33
  Speaker 13: a thing has completely destroyed its credibility as an award show,
• 49:36
  Speaker 13: but I like watching it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: I like the costumes.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: Wait, what did she win for?
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: And I like.
• 49:40
  Speaker 11: Walk the line. Yeah, walk the line. Which I thought
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: was overrated in and of itself.
• 49:45
  Speaker 13: Agreed.
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: It wasn't even as good as Ray, which that movie
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: wasn't even that good.
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: No, I mean.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: I didn't know she won. I'm surprised by that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: No.
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: I still like.
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: Oscar winner, Sandra Bullock.
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: Yes!
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: That came after that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: That is like the.
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry, is it just me, or is that movie
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: unintentionally racist? I feel like it is.
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: It might be intentionally racist, frankly.
• 50:12
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: It's just.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: It's like overcompensating racism. This is what's going on.
• 50:19
  Speaker 12: We're going to go so far out of our way
• 50:21
  Speaker 12: to pretend like we're not racist that by that very.
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: Nature, we're almost.
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: It's like I'm supposed to care about this female character
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: to where.
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: It's like I'm a rich, egotistic white woman who... is
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: going to continue to be rich, continue to be so
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: egotistic that I see this poor black kid on the
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: street and I'm going to take him and shelter him
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: because only through me will he ever be able to succeed.
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: All we need is rich white women.
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: To me, it just struck me as just very backwards.
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: But if there are any rich white women out there
• 50:57
  Speaker 12: who'd like to sponsor the show, take.
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: Us under their wing.
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: Nothing against the wealthy among you.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Glad.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what is at stake with her? I mean, really,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: what's she got to lose?
• 51:11
  Speaker 11: She doesn't change throughout the course of time.
• 51:13
  Speaker 13: Because when there's the thing at the end where they're like,
• 51:17
  Speaker 13: they kind of gloss over, but that was part of
• 51:18
  Speaker 13: the real story.
• 51:20
  Speaker 10: But they gloss over it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 13: They're like, we have to include this part, but we're
• 51:23
  Speaker 13: not going to dwell on it. And I was like, oh,
• 51:24
  Speaker 13: I'm pretty sure that really is how that went down.
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: No spoilers.
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Plus, they're all millionaires anyway now.
• 51:32
  Speaker 11: So I don't know. I thought out of the ten
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: nominees that year, that was the weakest of the ten
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: films nominated for Best Picture.
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, it totally was.
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: I think everyone felt that way.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I think based on my wife alone, my wife never
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: goes to the movie theater.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Well, I'd say never. I'm talking once or twice a year.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: And she has gone twice to see Les Mis already.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: I can't not win.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: As far as.
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: So has everybody in the friggin' city. Well, that and Lincoln.
• 51:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 11: Lincoln, I mean.
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: I haven't heard anything about Lincoln.
• 52:02
  Speaker 11: No, Lincoln, we just.
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: Anybody who's seen it.
• 52:03
  Speaker 11: We were selling out on Lincoln this weekend, and we've
• 52:06
  Speaker 11: had the thing since before Thanksgiving.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: It was selling out.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: It was all, like, really, really old.
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: I have white guilt. I'll see this movie.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: It's the help all over again.
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Can you just please bring back the Vampire Hunter movie
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: so that they can get.
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: We actually been at one of the other matches there.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: We.
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: Our Lincoln poster that was out in the mall, it
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: got completely worn out. We had to replace it. We
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: didn't have any new ones. We ordered some, but in
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: the interim, he actually made a Lincoln poster out of
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: the Abraham Lincoln vampire. We still had like upstairs.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: That would be good.
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: I think he probably could have done a better job
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: with the Lincoln lawyer poster from, cause I think we
• 52:51
  Speaker 11: probably still had some of those too.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: How long ago was that?
• 52:56
  Speaker 9: Was it just two years ago?
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: Two years.
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: Matthew McConaughey is Abraham.
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: I think that was just last year because it came
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: out at the same time as The Conspirator, which was
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: the Lincoln movie. It's like there's too many families.
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: Oh, man.
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: People love that Lincoln movie.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: That was a rough one to sit through. I saw
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: that in.
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: Theaters. Those might have both been this spring, maybe.
• 53:17
  Speaker 12: What I want to know is when are they going
• 53:19
  Speaker 12: to make the Lincoln Log movie?
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: That's a good question.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: They made Battleship.
• 53:24
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, come on. Lincoln Logs.
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: And then they'll make the porn version of that.
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: Oh, no.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: David Lynch to make it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: Here you have the log lady.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Like an origin story.
• 53:37
  Speaker 18: Oh.
• 53:37
  Speaker 16: I'd probably watch it.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Genius.
• 53:40
  Speaker 11: I would watch it and then declare it crap, but
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: I would enjoy it. I would enjoy hating it.
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: But it's going to be like a toy story.
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: In theory.
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: You know. We'll get Tim Allen involved. It'll be hilarious.
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: I would love to see, like, a Steven, like, especially
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: one of his later ones, like Lincoln, just to like
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: strip off, you know how they had that on YouTube,
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: you can watch like the sitcom, like Big Bang Theory,
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: like without the laugh track. And it's just like a
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: train wreck. You don't even know like how I feel
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: like if you took John Williams out of the movie Lincoln,
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: it would be just as much of a train wreck.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Like you so need his swelling music for like to
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: get any emotion out of every scene. It would just
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: be so weird and bizarre to see it, like, with
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: just the dialogue, because it's one of those movies that's
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: just made to have, like, just.
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: Well, you could probably say that about a lot of films, though.
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: But I feel like Lincoln was, like, especially, like, it
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: was just like, John Williams! Because it was all, like,
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: I felt like Spielberg was like, this is the first
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: movie I've done that's been, like, maybe the color purple,
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: that's closest to it, that's, like, sort of, like, theater-ish. Like, so, like,
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: I don't know, like, the emotional moments are just from, like,
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: confessions and.
• 54:45
  Speaker 11: Like, Theater-ish as in almost, like, stage-like in the way
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: that it's done.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and, like, I think maybe because he's such, like,
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: a showman, and, like, he has these... I feel like
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: most of the time he has some kind of action, like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: or set piece going on, and, like, all the set pieces,
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: you know, for lack of a better term, are, like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: you know, scenes where he's just sitting at the end
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: of a table and just arguing about, like, why they
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: need to, for whatever reason, with the... But anyway, the
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: John Williams music is just such a heavy presence.
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: With the very fact that he went with Daniel Day-Lewis,
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: it's like, how can we not give him the Oscar
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: just by seeing a photo of him as Lincoln?
• 55:24
  Speaker 9: That's potentially true. They may just go ahead and have
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: those printed out.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: And I totally realize how much that would be the
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: case for most movies. If you just took out the soundtrack,
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: it would just be like, what? This does not work.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: but he should, like John Williams almost, I just felt
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: like it gets to the point where he should also
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: be nominated for Best Actor or something. This transcends just score.
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: He's such a presence.
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: Best overpowering presence.
• 55:54
  Speaker 11: When, if any, I suppose it's like a movie trivia thing,
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: but has Spielberg worked with other composers?
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: He didn't work with Jerry Goldsmith for.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: It's one movie and I can't think of... Was it Jaws? No,
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: it wasn't Jaws.
• 56:12
  Speaker 11: Jaws is John Williams.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: John's John Williams.
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: I'm sitting here racking up brain, and I'm sure Brian's
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: loving the silence on his podcasting show.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: You can hear him.
• 56:21
  Speaker 9: Clicking at the computer. You can just hear the typing.
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: Oh, didn't he have Hans Zimmer for Saving Private Ryan?
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure he did.
• 56:31
  Speaker 11: Was that Hans Zimmer?
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: I think it was Hans Zimmer and John Williams.
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: No, it was another.
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: Hans Zimmer contributed... pieces to it, but it was John
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: Williams also. That's like the only.
• 56:41
  Speaker 11: We're talking like complete non-John Williams.
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 56:44
  Speaker 11: I feel like.
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: I don't know why. I honestly feel like.
• 56:46
  Speaker 11: Like he went cold turkey on his composition.
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: No, John Williams. Get out of here.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, even Elfman.
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: I mean, even Burton branched away from Elfman a couple times.
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's a laugh. Yeah, I was going
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: to say, how does that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 11: It actually worked very well, I thought, for Ed Wood. Well,
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: Ed Wood is.
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: And I actually want to know.
• 57:07
  Speaker 11: Sondheim, I know, did the majority of the music for
• 57:10
  Speaker 11: Sweeney Todd. Was Elfman used for incidental pieces on that,
• 57:13
  Speaker 11: or was that all Sondheim? Like stock music?
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good question. I've seen that movie once,
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: and that was in theaters.
• 57:21
  Speaker 11: Keep typing over there faster.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Welcome to Let's Google That podcast.
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: I just recently re-watched Sweeney Todd because I hadn't seen
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: it since it was in theaters. And I don't know why,
• 57:32
  Speaker 11: I just kind of got in the mood for it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: I don't know why either, yeah. But I had completely,
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: completely forgotten that Alan Rickman was in it, much less
• 57:46
  Speaker 11: was the main villain.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh.
• 57:49
  Speaker 11: It was almost like when I saw it for the
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: first time, I was like, oh, Alan Rickman's in this.
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: And he's very good. He's entertaining in.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Whatever he's in. It's not an unforgettable performance, though.
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: If you want to put it that way, because you
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: wouldn't remember. I guess so.
• 58:03
  Speaker 16: I mean, it's just....
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: I love how, like, basically.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: I think somehow I've forgotten that Alan Rickman has been
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: in anything else other than Harry Potter movies for the
• 58:12
  Speaker 11: past decade.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And Die Hard. Well, okay, that last decade, yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 11: For the last decade.
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: No, it's like.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: That's basically true.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: I can't think of anything outside of the Harry Potter movies.
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: Well, now Sweeney Todd, but I just associate him with
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: playing Snape in, like, all the recent ones.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: But as far as Snape goes, there's... I mean, all
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: the characters in the movie, you can't... In the book,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: in the movie... They're like sort of what they're supposed
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: to look like, but Alan Rickman is Snape. The description
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: from the book is exactly what's on the screen. It's
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: probably the most perfectly cast character.
• 58:42
  Speaker 9: He looks a lot like Hans Gruber.
• 58:44
  Speaker 18: Oh, yeah.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: I'll be damned.
• 58:46
  Speaker 11: So what say you, sir, down there, after all that
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: frantic typing?
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: I don't know what you were looking for. What am
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: I supposed to be checking?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: He was there. Oh, it's me.
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: He was down there actually looking through, it turns out
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: he just put up on Craigslist, need a new podcasting crew.
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: We'll see how it pans out.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to take a random stab in the dark.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: I'll say that Jerry Goldsmith did the music for Hook.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: I'm just totally guessing.
• 59:13
  Speaker 11: Sounds plausible. I've heard it's like this weird apocryphal story
• 59:19
  Speaker 11: that apparently Spielberg got legitimately pissed off at Bob Hoskins
• 59:25
  Speaker 11: and Dustin Hoffman on the set of Hook. Because they
• 59:31
  Speaker 11: if you watch it they almost play it like an
• 59:34
  Speaker 11: old gay couple and apparently well apparently um they almost
• 59:41
  Speaker 11: any scene they would do they would up the homoeroticism
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: so ridiculously from the get-go apparently it just like pissed
• 59:47
  Speaker 11: spielberg off to where he would have to stop and
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: just tone them down and then they would continue like
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: they were doing it almost as a prank.
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: See, I thought their relationship was one of the better
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: things in that.
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: I think so much going on with Robin Williams.
• 59:59
  Speaker 12: Robin Williams' end is so bad that that was one
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 12: of the more enjoyable things.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 11: But apparently they just took the gag too far during
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: one take in Spielberg. Kind of thought it was funny,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: but kind of was irritated. And apparently they kept doing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: it to the point to where it really was ticking
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: them off. And then they really found it funny and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 11: they kept doing it. There's apparently a ton of outtakes
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 11: with them. I'm just not making.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 9: Out, but like.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: I can't wait until the special edition comes.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 19: Out.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: The make-out reel. By the way, original music, John Williams.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, damn it.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: That's a good try, though.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Well, I guess in that case, he must have been
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: pissed a lot. Because wasn't he also.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 11: Like.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: He was really pissed at Julie Roberts. To the point
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: where they nicknamed her Tinker Hill... On set.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 11: Really?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: You know, of all the people in that cast that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: you could say is going overboard and you get pissed
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: off at, wouldn't Robin Williams be at the top of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: the list?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: You would think so.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think anything that Hoskinson and Dustin Hoffman
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: could do would pale in comparison to five minutes with
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Robin Williams.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: It's Robin Williams being Robin Williams, though. Exactly.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I can't handle him in large doses.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 11: You're actually going to think this is really funny. bizarre
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 11: for me to say but the only movie that i
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 11: can and i actually go back and forth on whether
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 11: i hate this film and it's complete shit or whether
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 11: it's one of those movies that should have been given
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 11: a second chance and that is toys.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 12: I really like re-watched it because i i've seen it
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 12: once a long time ago and.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: That's why i appreciate how.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 11: How many chances barry levinson.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 12: Took was that weird especially for as mainstream as that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 12: was in the cast and yeah him.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 9: It's just it took so many weird turns.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 11: And i just thought of that also because i associate
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 11: with the hook because um it's what's that character actor's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 11: name arthur malay who plays um he plays the older
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 11: version of i think it's peter is the character's name
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 11: and hook isn't that right um He plays, like, the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 11: older version of him, and he's also, like, his attaché
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 11: in toys. It's like the two work together for those
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: two movies, like, almost back-to-back. But, I don't know, it's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: just Michael Gambon hamming it up in that. John Cusack
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: made it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: LL Cool J.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 11: LL Cool J, yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Who was fantastic in that, I thought.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: One of his better performances.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I thought he out-Burtoned Tim Burton in that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah, very much so.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I think so. No, he's saying Barry.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 11: Levinson, Al Burton, Tim Burton.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: We might have to have a toys special episode. I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: don't know if anybody wants to watch toys, but we'll probably.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 16: I'll re-watch it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: I'll re-watch it.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 13: I own it.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen it since I was a kid.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 11: I don't know if I'm ashamed to admit it, but
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 11: I'm proud.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 12: I think it'd be interesting to dig back into that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 12: and nobody else would understand why I'm proud.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: Joan Cusack was fantastic in it, too.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 9: She was pretty good.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 11: As a kid growing up, I wanted one of those
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: video games that the kids are testing. And then I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 11: suppose it instilled in me what it was in turn
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: making fun of, like the violence within video games and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 11: all this stuff was going. Because I was riding down
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 11: the road with my parents as a kid thinking, oh,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: it would be so cool if I had that game
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 11: and I could really blow up these cars. Actually, now
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 11: just going back and just re-watching it since then, you know,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 11: do everything that's happened up in Connecticut. I was reading
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 11: an article where they're having essentially a video, like a
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: violent video game burning. Essentially people can, they, you can,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: any video games you perceive as being violent in your home,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 11: you can bring them all in and dump them in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 11: the trash and get like a $ 25 gift certificate to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 11: go see like dinner and a movie or something. And
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 11: it's being done. It's not in, um, it's, I can't
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 11: remember what town it is. It's up there.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: Um, it's so weird.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: Um, So that was a really weird direction to go.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry. I apologize for that.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: Video games. That feels like such a thing that would
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: happen in 1999. I'm like, really? That's happening?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 11: Doing a 180 in the sense I'm going to go
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: in just a completely different direction here. We were talking
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: about movies that we just watched recently, and I'm now
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 11: going to have to go and look up the episode,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: the Apple episode.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 15: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 11: Because I was, I came across that. I didn't remember how,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 11: I think I was just looking at just weird top
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 11: 10 lists that bloggers had compiled online. And like, I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 11: was looking for something kind of in the vein of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 11: like fan with a paradise or Tommy. I think I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 11: even typed in like top 10 psychedelic rock movies of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 11: the seventies. It was like a very specific criterion that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 11: I put into Google. And that came up and someone
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 11: had put that at number one. I was like, I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 11: have never even heard of this. Or anyone really in it,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 11: save Olivia Newton-John.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: No, wait.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 11: Catherine Mayer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: Who we actually talked to on that episode.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 11: Oh, I'm really going to have to check this out.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 11: But I watched it, and I thought, and it was
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 11: kind of almost with toys. It's like, this is a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 11: mess in so many ways, but yet. it is yeah.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 12: It really is I again I expected the train wreck
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 12: and there's so much if.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: Anything the only thing that pissed me off was the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 11: ending I felt like they've gotten to the point where
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: it's like we don't know where to go like you
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 11: know they run off and they're with the hippie commune
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 11: and all of a sudden next thing you know it's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 11: like years past yeah and then it's real choppy they
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 11: all show up and it's like we're going to arrest
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: you and all of a sudden God or the God
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 11: allegory comes down in a limo in the sky and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 11: everyone walks into the sky with him and it's over
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 11: and I was like A gold limo.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: And I was like, whoa.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 11: Okay, you were semi-subtle on the whole religious aspect. I mean,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 11: I suppose just the very fact that it's called the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 11: Apple makes it sort of blatant Adam and Eve. But
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 11: just the whole discussion between him and, oh, Boogaloo. Yeah,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: just the discussion between those two. I was like, this
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 11: is so cheesy.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: I love how it's already spoofing American Idol 20 years
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: before anybody even thought of American Idol.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: It's amazing. I don't know.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 11: I honestly felt like that director had watched probably both
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 11: Phantom of the Paradise and Rocky Horror Picture Show and thought, okay,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 11: I want to do something that's in the vein of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 11: Phantom of the Paradise because it starts off very similar
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 11: because they both start off with the music number and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: then you back up and you see the record producer
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 11: who's superior over this very sort of bizarre music world.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: And then somebody else comes on with the love song.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: And it's like, I want this girl involved with this,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 11: but not this guy. And you've never the tryouts at
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 11: the place. And there's a lot of similarities between the two,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: but at the same time, so much of it was
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 11: just so bizarre. And you had these weird, like, you know,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 11: the BIM stickers and all this, I saw, and I
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 11: felt like they were specifically setting up the machinations. Like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 11: we could make this another Rocky horror picture show. We'll
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 11: give them, like the very fact that they keep doing
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 11: the BIM dance all throughout it. It's like, we could
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 11: make this like the new time warp.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: I don't know that he was that conscious.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 12: Like the, the way they talk about that guy, he
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 12: seems like kind of crazy and like almost lost in
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 12: his own like weird world. Cause I mean the other
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: stuff he goes on to make and.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 11: Like, what else did he make?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: Oh God, do we need to, he's all over the place.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 11: I was watching, I was like, so much cocaine went
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: into the making of this movie. There's no ifs, ands,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 11: or buts about it. You can just tell. But at
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: the same time, it did very much have that sort
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: of weird shock treatment, Tommy, Rocky Horror, Phantom of the Paradise.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: They all kind of fall into that mold of these
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 11: weird sort of rock musicals that respond in the 70s
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 11: and early 80s.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: Kind of, but I think it's so off because I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 12: think he's so out of, out of sync with the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: culture that he was working in, because I think he's, like,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 12: Iranian or something, like, he was, and did, like, movie.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: After movie there before he came here.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 12: And started doing this, these kind of movies, and then
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: later got into weird, like, producing all these, like, gung-ho
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 12: American action movies, but, like, I think in that middle portion, like,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 12: he just seemed, like, everything seemed so weird and awkward,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: because I don't That was sort of that crossover area
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: where he was trying to be so.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 11: Americanized, but he didn't get it. Yeah, like the whole
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 11: hippie thing. It's like, that almost felt forced and outdated.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 11: Even for then, it felt outdated.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 9: It's like he didn't get it. But yeah, he's directed like.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 12: 45 movies, and so many of them were before he
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 12: got to.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: America that I think he was just a weird crossover.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 11: But at the same time, it's one of those things
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 11: where I can objectively say it's a mess, but anybody
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 11: who asks about it, I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's from Israel.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 12: That's what it was. And yeah, she even talks about
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 12: how he would just yell at people. He was just
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 12: kind of crazy on set. So I don't know.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: I think so much of that contributes to what it
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: ended up being.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 11: The Israeli David O.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 12: Russell.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 11: I like.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: That. He's quite a character, I'm sure.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 10: Speaking of David O.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 13: Russell, I was just hearing somebody talking about an interview
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 13: they team with David O. Russell where he was explaining...
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 13: The angry character in Silver Linings playbook was based on
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 13: his son because his son has some anger issues.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 10: I'm like, are you kidding me? Your son? Yeah, my cousin. No,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 10: David O. Russell, you have anger issues.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: And that's what this movie was about. The character from
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: the book, and he said he was drawn to it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 10: Because of his son's problems.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: Because of his son.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 11: It's like, really?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 10: God, you're such a jerk.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: I love watching. It's kind of funny.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 15: Like, if you guys.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you've seen it already, but, like,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: you know the Hollywood Reporter Directors Roundtable that they do
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: every year? It's, like, an hour long. They talk with all, like,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: the main directors of the major, like, Hollywood films. And it's...
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: This year, it was just... It's always pretty awkward because
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: the guy asking the questions never knows what he's talking about. And, like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: usually the directors are somewhat, like, hostile to each other
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: in a weird subtle way. And this year was particularly, like, awkward.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 13: Like.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: Tarantino is clearly like taking jabs at David O. Russell
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: and David Russell is just sitting there taking it like... Oh,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: that's awesome. It's like Tarantino is like saying something like...
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: And they ask him something to the effect like, do
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: you ever, you know, have difficulty working with actors?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: Like, no, no, no.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: And in fact, like, you know, if you... antagonize, you know,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: your actors or something, you know, it was definitely, he
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: was referring to Russell sitting right across from him. He
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: was like, that's the Les Lowe's you can go as
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: a director as far as I'm concerned. And it was
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: just silence. And David Robertson was just, he like almost mumbled,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: so he's like, it's just.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: Like, ah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 10: So he's trying to get him to blow up.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: And then there's like, Tamteno's doing his thing where he's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: just like, you know, going off. That's every interview with him. Yeah,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: and then Tom Hooper's like off to the side just
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: giving him this like, shitty look, like just shut up already. Like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: it's just so great to watch these videos because.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 18: What are these?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 10: How do we watch these?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: Well, it's like, it's every year, it's these roundtables hosted
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: by the Hollywood Reporter. Like, they get all the main actors,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: they have an actor's roundtable, and they all talk with
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: each other, and they have a director's roundtable, and they
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: always pick the perfect combination of, like, people that would
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: probably hate each other.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 15: You know what I mean?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: Like, the egos are, it's just, it's always this awkward atmosphere,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: and the guy's this British guy who, like, pretends to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: know all this stuff about movies and, like, filmmaking, and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: he asks, like, all the wrong questions to, like, the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: wrong people. It's just always kind of awkward. You have
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: to see it. It's just the moment where, like, just.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, David O.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 11: Russell is one I didn't really care for until I
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 11: saw The Fighter, and Fighter I didn't think was, like,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 11: best picture worthy. It was a good movie, but not
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 11: super great, but Three Kings, it was just kind of
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 11: meh on. I loved Three Kings. And I Heart Huckabees was.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 10: That was a disaster.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: Torture.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 11: That was sheer torture.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: I like Three Kings a lot. I didn't like The Fighter.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: I liked The Fighter. I didn't love it like a lot.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 11: I was going to say, I'd say probably Three Kings
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 11: for me is on par with The Fighter. I mean,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 11: it's a good movie, but.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: I thought Warrior. I liked Warrior more than The Fighter, actually.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, actually I did too.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 13: But.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I've not seen it.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 13: I just.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: I think Silver Linings Playbook might be my favorite of
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: his movies so far.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 10: I thought it was great.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 11: I mean, I like then that it's a director that's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 11: growing as he goes then.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 13: But I did think it was hilarious that he decided
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 13: to make a movie about a guy who gets angry
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 13: and blows up, but it's not because he's a bad person.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 13: It's just because he's got some stuff he's got to
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 13: work through, and he's a little misunderstood, so let's maybe
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: hug him, okay?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 15: Subtle.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 10: Very subtle.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: And then won't even admit that it's him.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 10: It's my kid. That asshole.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I wonder who taught your kid, asshole.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 9: I'm such a good parent, though.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 13: Yeah, calling out your kids as having anger issues nationally
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 13: is kind.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Of a dick move anyway.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 11: Going back to the whole thing, Samsara probably not being
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 11: nominated for anything. Do you think they have hesitancy for
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 11: nominating non-narrative documentaries for Best Documentary? Because, I mean, you know,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 11: Koina Scotzi, Baraka, all those. I mean, none of them
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 11: have ever really fallen... into any kind of recognition when
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 11: it comes to stuff like that. I'm trying to think
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: if Microcosmos was. Was Microcosmos nominated for Best Documentary? I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 11: don't think it was either.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Was it technical, maybe?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: Maybe.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing I can think of.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 11: The closest thing I can think of was Winged Migration.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 11: Sort of.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 11: To me, the best documentary I've seen is Samsara, but
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 11: also Hero Dreams of Sushi. I would love to see
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 11: get some sort of recognition. I feel like that's been
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 11: so long ago. People have forgotten about it because it
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 11: tends to be where they always nominate the documentaries that
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  Speaker 11: haven't been released in major markets yet. It's just the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 11: stuff that have made like the festival rounds at best.
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  Speaker 12: They cram it in in November just to be able
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 12: to get in there. And yeah, they use the fact
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  Speaker 12: that they've been nominated to get it out to.
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  Speaker 9: The smaller markets.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: That's why I'm always just kind of hit and miss
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 11: when it comes to the documentary.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 13: Tells everybody I'm searching for Sugar Man because I loved that.
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  Speaker 11: I haven't seen it, and I've had a lot of
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 11: people recommend.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know if it is.
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  Speaker 10: I thought it was brilliant.
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  Speaker 6: That's the one that I think most people have been
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: talking about. I saw Ai Weiwei. I missed that. That
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: was very good.
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  Speaker 11: That's probably one of the better.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: Documentaries I've seen this year.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 11: But in a way of like documentarians that don't hardly
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 11: get recognition, you know, Herzog typically doesn't. I was really
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 11: hoping he would have actually won. I was really hoping
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 11: he would have won Four Encounters at the End of
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  Speaker 11: the World, but I'm not disappointed that Man on Wire
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 11: won that year. Because, I mean, that's also an excellent movie.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was going to say, that was also a
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: great movie. I still haven't seen it. Just, what was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: the guy on Death Row.
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  Speaker 5: The documentary he did on that?
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  Speaker 2: And I just watched, not long ago.
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  Speaker 6: That's like on my next, because that was the last
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: documentary he did on that.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 11: My favorite documentary director for me, I would have to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 11: go with Errol Morris, though. I just love the fact
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 11: that he'll just point the camera at somebody and let
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 11: them go. And he always picks the oddest characters, too.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 10: I think he's so... I don't know.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 13: Tabloid really upsets me.
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  Speaker 6: Have you guys ever seen his movie?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 11: That's the only one of his that I haven't seen.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 11: And that's actually the one he won the Oscar for,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 11: but it's the only one I haven't seen.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: It's one of the best documentaries I've seen just about
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: war in general and like I don't know. It's just
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: the way he films these guys. It's kind of, like
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: you said, he just puts the camera on the right people.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: See, that's almost how I feel, though, about Herzog. I mean,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: he'll let the person ask, answer a question. He'll let
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: them go on.
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  Speaker 6: For a little bit too long. It comes in this
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: awkward kind of, but he catches that extra kind of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: bit of weirdness.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 11: The eccentricity behind his characters where they don't make them
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 11: seem silly or crazy. It just gives them a little
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 11: bit of depth. I mean, they try to pick They
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 11: both tend to pick characters that are fanatics within their
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 11: own realm, but not exploit that fanaticism.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: I was thinking, in Grizzly Man, everyone that he talks
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: to that loved the Grizzly Man or that he interviews,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: he lets them go, and then 15, 30 seconds longer,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: then they'll say one more thing because they don't know.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: What else to do.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: They're like, cut.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: And he did this, and you're like, oh shit, that's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: the real story. That's the part that I love about him.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: He went through all that superficial stuff for them to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: get uncomfortable and say something.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's the part that I like about him. He
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: did that a couple times at Encounters.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 11: At the End of the World. I love it when
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 11: he goes to talk to the fellow who's been living
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 11: amongst the penguins, essentially. He even has the preamble with
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 11: all these people where it's like, oh, this guy's not
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 11: going to talk to you. He's throwing questions at him
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 11: to finally get to go to him. It's like, have
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 11: you witnessed homosexuality in penguins? It's like, and it's just like,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 11: he's still like cutting him short. And finally he's like,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 11: what about insanity? And then suddenly the guy just goes
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 11: off on like this. And also when he's talking about
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 11: prostitution and he starts going into like the mating rituals
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 11: of penguins. And then all of a sudden he gets
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 11: them to be passionate and it's, but it's, it's very entertaining.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 11: And Morris does that too. I mean, like fast cheap
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 11: and out of control. I mean, he picked four very eccentric,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 11: characters that were very passionate about what they did.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 9: I really liked that one.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 11: And Vernon, Florida, have you seen that one? That's one
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 11: of his earlier ones. I really loved that film and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: it's definitely his least structured, but I think that makes
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 11: it absolutely fun because he essentially goes to this town.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 11: It's like in the middle of nowhere. And, you know,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 11: if you've ever been on a road trip or anything
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 11: like that and You stop off at a gas station
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 11: and you might idle and listen to these two old
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 11: codgers who've probably been coming and sitting on that same
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 11: bench for the last 50 years and having the same
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 11: argument over and over. He basically went to this town
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 11: and when he saw those people, it's like, what y'all
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: arguing about? Put the camera on them. Or when he
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 11: just saw some fellow just kind of like wandering through
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 11: his yard, fiddling with something, it's like, what you up to?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 11: And he got all these odd eccentrics from this very
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 11: small town just to essentially ramble, but damned if it
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 11: isn't engrossing.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 11: Lucy's making a face at me.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 13: I haven't seen it in a really long time, so
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 13: I can't really speak to that. I remember having sort
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 13: of a general sense that it felt condescending, and that
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 13: was definitely my problem with Tabloid.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 10: I don't know if anybody saw that, the film.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: We made this year.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, which one was... Fast, Cheap,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: and Out of Control, when was that one made?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 11: That was 97.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: I got that mixed up.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: That was a couple years.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: I was thinking of Tablo was the most recent of his.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 11: That was a couple years prior to Mr. Death was Fast, Cheap, and.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 16: Out of Control.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 13: Tabloid, I felt, was very exploitative and sort of heartbreaking
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 13: in the fact that I felt like this woman thought
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 13: that he had approached her because she was interesting in
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 13: a different way than he found her interesting.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's very.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: That's, you know what, now that you put it that way,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: that's kind of how, in a lot of ways, the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: fog of war is. But, you know, I mean, you
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: still get all this fascinating information out of these people. Like,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, and it's not like it's against their will. Like,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: they signed up to talk about this information, this guy did, about,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: you know, this, you know, being under the Kennedy administration
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: and all this stuff. But the final product is certainly like,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, if this guy, you know, he was interviewing, like,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: had seen the movie, he probably wouldn't have agreed to
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: it for sure. But, Because, I mean, it paints this
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: very gray picture. You think it's going to be this
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: kind of nice, you know, he's just going to be
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: this very progressive-minded dude talking about, you know, the ethics
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: of war or whatever. And just by the end of
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: the movie, there's just all this gray area that just
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: kind of pops out, you know, out of nowhere. And,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: you know, you can totally imagine that the guy, you know,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: probably saw the finished product and was like, that's not cool.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 13: The even sadder part is that I guess the lady
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 13: from Tabloid toured with it and brought her dogs out
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 13: and they paid to have her autograph things and she
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 13: sees herself as a very different sort of celebrity than
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 13: he's made her and it's sort of heartbreaking.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 10: That he's, I don't know.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: To me, my favorite documentaries have always been the ones
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: where they just put the camera on somebody and just
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 11: let them go because I remember years ago before they
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 11: ever made Downfall, I'd seen Blindside, I think it's or
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 11: blind spot, blind spot, not blind side. We're talking about
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 11: that earlier, but blind spot. And, um, to where it
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 11: was the documentary on Hitler's secretary. I mean, the woman
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 11: was like in her eighties, nineties, something like that, but
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 11: they just put the camera on her and just let
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: her go about how she got the job, what it
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 11: was like working underneath him. And she was in the
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 11: bunker during the last days because the movie downfall that
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 11: they made was actually based on what she exposed or
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 11: what she revealed in this documentary. And I don't think
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 11: the thing ever cut. I seriously think it is just
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 11: like an hour and a half take. And the whole
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 11: time I was just absolutely engrossed in just her talking.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 11: And just, you know, you imagine like, what if you'd
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 11: just gone to some very boring, you know, girlfriend's family
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 11: get together and you just notice the old woman sitting
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 11: in the corner and you just start up a conversation
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 11: with her. And all of a sudden she starts going
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 11: all of a sudden, I mean, you were just instantly hooked.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 11: even though she's just talking about these very macabre things about, um, uh,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 11: Gerbil's wife, like poisoning their kids and stuff like that
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 11: down in the bunker. And then just everybody, she goes
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 11: in depth about how they all sat around one night
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: and talked about if they were to commit suicide by
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 11: blowing the brains out, what's the best angle to put
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 11: a bullet to make sure that you don't just go
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 11: through your face or through an area of your brain
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 11: that's going to still keep you alive. Like, all these
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 11: really grisly things, but it's damned engrossing.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 11: And not, I don't feel like it was exploiting or anything.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: If anything, I feel like somebody realized that she was
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 11: still alive and just said, we have to just capture
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 11: her story because she was there. She's the, she was
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 11: the only one who survived. And just even after that,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 11: she goes into all these details as to how she
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 11: managed to get out of the war zone and not
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 11: end up killed and not end up in prison, all
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 11: this stuff.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 9: What is that one called?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 11: Blind Spot. I think it's actually the full title is
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 11: Blind Spot, Hitler's Secretary.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 10: What year is that?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 11: 2000... I want to say like 2003 or something like that.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 11: I remember I had it up with a couple of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 11: other Nazi posters. We joked about how it was springtime
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 11: for Hitler at the theater. We had Blind Spot, Hitler's Secretary.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 11: We had Amen, which was like the weird.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 11: Movie about the priest who had a Nazi coming to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 11: him and confessing, and there was one other Nazi film.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 11: There were like three Nazi movies that all came out
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 11: within the exact same month at our theater, and it's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 11: going to drive me crazy that I can't think of
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 11: the third one. I actually feel like the third one
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 11: is the most mainstream one of the three, but it's
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 11: like 2002, 2003, somewhere in that realm. But yeah, the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 11: film Downfall is actually, it's essentially based on what she
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 11: talks about in this interview I think it's even credited
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 11: as that like in the opening it says based upon
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 11: which downfall in and of itself is an amazing film
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 11: just seeing Bruno Gans I think yeah it's a very
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 11: heart-wrenching performance on him because I mean I thought I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 11: was going to essentially be watching something that was like
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 11: a made-for-tv movie recreation I was like it's so weird
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 11: because you almost want to care for this monster and.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 12: It's when you know they've done something kind of impressive.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 12: They go to that much trouble to make him an
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 12: identifiable character. That's why I thought it was so well done.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 12: They take it to such an extreme where it's like
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 12: you sort of feel bad for these people. They're complete
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 12: and utter evil but at the same time it's just
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 12: Just the little things, like even when Hitler knows that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 12: they're losing the war, it's just him going around and greeting,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 12: not the Nazi equivalent, whoever the Boy Scouts were during
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 12: that time.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: Like the kids who had shot some tank with a
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: rocket launcher.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 9: The SS youth. Or was there a subsection of that?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: Is there like a Cub Scouts version.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 11: Of the SS?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: The Tiger Cubs?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 11: The older I get, the more I just dig documentaries.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 11: It's just that simple. I don't know why.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: And you're going to be eating more Werther's candies as
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: you get older as well.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 11: Is that where you're at?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying eventually you get there, I think.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 9: So, rambling eccentrics. Sounds very familiar. Have we rambled.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 15: Enough for this?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: All right, let's get the hell out of here. All right. Otherwise,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: that about does it. We will return next week. Same
• 1:25:47
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• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: isn't it?
• 1:26:29
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