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Wired To Hunt Podcast #184: Rut Radio 11/15/17 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one, and
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  Speaker 1: today in the show, we are back with a new
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  Speaker 1: RUT Radio episode in which we are checking with hunters
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  Speaker 1: from across the country to get the latest on the
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  Speaker 1: progress of the white tailed rut, current dear behavior, and
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  Speaker 1: the tactics that are working right this very minute. And
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  Speaker 1: today we've got updates from the states like Michigan, Vermont, Iowa,
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  Speaker 1: Kentucky and more. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitkin Gear, and we are back
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  Speaker 1: today with another RUT Radio episode. And each week with
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  Speaker 1: our RUT Radio episodes, we are checking in with a
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  Speaker 1: handful of hunters from across the count treat to get
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  Speaker 1: updates on what's happening right now with the white tail rout,
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  Speaker 1: with white tail behavior, with conditions that are impacting deer,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of good stuff. And then we also
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  Speaker 1: talk about what we should be doing as hunters to
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  Speaker 1: be trying to fill his tags obviously, so that's what
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  Speaker 1: we have in slate for today's episode, and with me
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  Speaker 1: to do that is Spencer New Hearth. Spencer. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I am good? Uh. South Dakota has had some rifle
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  Speaker 1: seasons opened up now, and so I am off the
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  Speaker 1: sidelines finally and I am back to hunting. So I
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  Speaker 1: am as excited as anybody for mid November to get here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you you you killed the buck in October, then
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  Speaker 1: you dropped off the map in South Dakota. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: hunt there for a while. You finally came back with
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  Speaker 1: this rifle season and you wasted no time filling your tag. Huh,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Our West River season opened on last Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: and I was tagged out about forty five minutes into
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  Speaker 1: the season, so that was a public land hunt. Um
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  Speaker 1: went in pretty far set up and found the does
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  Speaker 1: and then found the buck that I was after, So
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  Speaker 1: it was another quick hunt. But luckily we have another
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  Speaker 1: season that opens up here on this coming Saturday, so
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  Speaker 1: I'll be back at it again. I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 1: I think I need to learn something from you, because
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  Speaker 1: I've hunted like twenty three out of the last twenty
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  Speaker 1: four days, and like fifteen of those have been all
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  Speaker 1: days since and I haven't killed a damn thing, So well,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that at mark. Uh, Like nobody
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  Speaker 1: is hunted as hard as you here since we've hit November.
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  Speaker 1: How do you think the rut has played out as
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  Speaker 1: far as do you think you've witnessed the different phases
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  Speaker 1: as as most people describe them, from the seeking and
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  Speaker 1: chasing to all the way up to now which might
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  Speaker 1: be locked down? Do you feel like you've seen everything
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  Speaker 1: that the most most hunters expect to see coming the rut? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've seen a pretty good swath of it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as far as what I've seen here in Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: where I've spent ninety seven percent of my hunting time
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  Speaker 1: this year during the rut, which is different than usually
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  Speaker 1: usually I'm hunting a lot places out of state, but
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  Speaker 1: as you know, I have been so focused on Holy
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  Speaker 1: Field here that UM have kind of put all my
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  Speaker 1: what's the saying, you put all your put all the
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  Speaker 1: something's in a but I put all my eggs in one.
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  Speaker 1: I can hardly function right now, Spencer. I'm running on
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  Speaker 1: a collective like ten hours of sleep over the last
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. So I'm just I'm to be honest, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not on with it anymore. UM. So what I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to say is, um, here in Michigan, I started seeing
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  Speaker 1: like that good chasing happening right around you know, early November,
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  Speaker 1: right around like the first October thirty one, November one
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  Speaker 1: started kind of kicking into gear. UM start seeing the
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  Speaker 1: mature box, you know, relatively mature buck. There's there's one
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  Speaker 1: three and a half year old buck in this little
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  Speaker 1: aream hunting, and there's the five and a half year
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  Speaker 1: old this holy field buck. Um starts seeing them moving
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  Speaker 1: around chasing a lot. And that's been pretty consistent all
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  Speaker 1: the way up until today. UM have been seeing some chasing,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely the last like three or four days, it
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  Speaker 1: has slowed down and I've been seeing, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that lockdown type of thing going on, UM where
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  Speaker 1: there's been long periods of absolutely nothing going on. And
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  Speaker 1: then ever once in a while you'll you'll see one
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  Speaker 1: buck that's off cruising, still checking out, you know, trying
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  Speaker 1: to find another doll um, but definitely not quite as
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  Speaker 1: intense as it was maybe from like the second through
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  Speaker 1: the ninth or t UM. But I but I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's still action to be had and I spent a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days in Ohio, um November, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it was, eighth and ninth or ninth and ten,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of cruising going on. Didn't
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  Speaker 1: see any chasing at all, but did see I saw
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  Speaker 1: one buck, I think, Um, but between me and Josh,
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  Speaker 1: we saw a couple of bucks that were cruising And
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of the extent of it. Yeah, well, that lockdown,
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  Speaker 1: like you talked about, that seems to be part of
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  Speaker 1: a theme in this week's episode. Um, but I think
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  Speaker 1: we as hunters often have a problem where we kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to drop these dates in a box and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is seeking and chasing. Uh, you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: pre rut, this is lockdown stuff like that, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just probably the wrong way to look at it. All
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  Speaker 1: these things kind of bleed into each other. And although
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  Speaker 1: we might be in you know, lockdown right now, this
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  Speaker 1: is probably still a great time to find a book
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  Speaker 1: on its feet and it's still better hunting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: than it was three weeks ago, and so mid November
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  Speaker 1: can be tough. But you know, as a hunter still
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  Speaker 1: looking for a mature buck, you probably shouldn't be too
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  Speaker 1: discouraged at this point. Oh yeah, that's a that's a
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  Speaker 1: great point because and to your point that this quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote lockdown type period, it's it's very subjective and it
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  Speaker 1: can be very much here and not there. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're sitting on this corner of a hundred acre property,
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  Speaker 1: you might be all sorts of chasing and crazy stuff
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  Speaker 1: going on, while you know, ards the other direction, it
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  Speaker 1: might be just completely dead. And that could be the
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  Speaker 1: case on November one, just as much as it could
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  Speaker 1: be a November. UM. So yeah, to your point, don't
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  Speaker 1: be discouraged. If you can be out there in the woods,
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  Speaker 1: you should. Good things can happen. Um, It's it's still November.
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  Speaker 1: So that's I'm excited to hear what everyone else has
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  Speaker 1: to say because I'm sure that there's been some good
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  Speaker 1: action happening. And um and even though this quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: lockdown might be, you know, sort of what most people
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  Speaker 1: expect during mid November, UM, I certainly still have high hopes.
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  Speaker 1: And for this week's episode, we start Iowa and talk
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  Speaker 1: to Jeff Lindsay from The Lindsay Way. Did we go
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  Speaker 1: to Vermont and talk to Tim Bieble from the four
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  Speaker 1: pointer dot Com that we talk to Jeff Dnker from
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  Speaker 1: Buck Ventures in Kentucky. Then we go to Idaho and
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  Speaker 1: with Bone Maniacs we talked to Shane Malory. Sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a great group of hunters to chat with. Anything that
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  Speaker 1: we need to know before we dive right into those interviews,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Hopefully when I talk to you
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  Speaker 1: next week, Mark, you have some good news on holy Field.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Hopefully I will too. Um. We've been saying
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  Speaker 1: this for like ten weeks now or something, so hopefully
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  Speaker 1: we just don't even need to say that ever again
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  Speaker 1: for good reasons, and UM, I will do my best
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  Speaker 1: to make it happen. That's right. Until then, Mark, fear
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  Speaker 1: no evil and buoyah. Yep, we won't even go there,
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  Speaker 1: but for all those who know what he's talking about,
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk to your latter spensor all right. Bye. Before
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  Speaker 1: we get to our first update, though, let's positive thank
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  Speaker 1: SIT story, we're joined by Jake Terry, who tells us
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  Speaker 1: about a rut hunt that turned on a dime. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: My story starts mid November in Kansas. Saw it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be cold front low lows in the forties
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  Speaker 1: for highs. Uh made the drive to hunt public land,
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  Speaker 1: sat all morning without seeing a d year. Wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get down several times, but knew that this was the
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  Speaker 1: time of year and the temperature that a big buck
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  Speaker 1: was going to be on his feet eventually. Um. At
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  Speaker 1: twelve thirty, I see my first buck, um, cruising across
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  Speaker 1: a CRP field. Um. After a sequence of grunting to
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  Speaker 1: try to get the buck to turn my way, finally
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  Speaker 1: hit his snort weez and he um, you know, heads
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  Speaker 1: directly to my tree. Kill him at twenty yards and
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  Speaker 1: it ends up being, um, one of the biggest bucks
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  Speaker 1: I've ever taken with a bow, and it was on
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  Speaker 1: public land. So um, you know, very happy with that
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  Speaker 1: would have been all day said, but I was prepared
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  Speaker 1: to sit all day um and didn't see a dear
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  Speaker 1: till twelve thirty on Jake's hunt. He was wearing sick
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  Speaker 1: joining us on the line first is Jeff Lindsay out
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  Speaker 1: of Iowa with the Lindsay way. Now, Jeff in Iowa,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been lately
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  Speaker 1: on a skill of one to ten, I'd say we're
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  Speaker 1: probably around eight. Kind of been a I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say a trickle rut because it seems like every
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  Speaker 1: year as a trickle rut. But it was really good
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  Speaker 1: late October and then the last couple of um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: shut down the moon, and then now it appears to
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  Speaker 1: be going back pretty good. My dad actually shot a
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  Speaker 1: buck this morning. Um, we've seen a you know, a
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  Speaker 1: three year old, the two year old cruise in this morning.
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  Speaker 1: But just based on the cameras and the daylight activity,
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  Speaker 1: it's as good the last two or three days as
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  Speaker 1: I've seen all year. It's still not what I would call,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wide open crazy rut, but this as good
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  Speaker 1: as yeah. And so what are your favorite techniques for
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  Speaker 1: killing the buck right now? As far as hunting in
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  Speaker 1: the morning or evening or on food sources, betting, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing there in Iowa? Well right now and see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the lockdown. Bucks are coming
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  Speaker 1: on an off doze in my opinion, and it and
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  Speaker 1: be deadly hunting food um late afternoon, it seemed like
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  Speaker 1: this colder weather, the deer on the grains, they're on
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  Speaker 1: the beans, they're on the cut corn, And I like
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of hours, you know, on a food plot,
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  Speaker 1: just in case the dove comes in, last two or
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  Speaker 1: three hours, I should say, in case the dove comes
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  Speaker 1: in and maybe she's dragging a buck that you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to wait till the time is right for her.
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  Speaker 1: He's tending or whatever. But but in my opinion, as
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  Speaker 1: far as you know, just killing a deer right now,
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  Speaker 1: it's all about seat time. You just gotta If it's
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  Speaker 1: daylight day like the dark, you can pull them all
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  Speaker 1: the day, or it's mentally it's finally physically taxing. But
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  Speaker 1: if you can do it, do it. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: just based on what I'm seeing on my cameras, eleven
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  Speaker 1: to two, eleven to two, two thirties, somewhere in there
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  Speaker 1: is the number one time for buck activity movements, this
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  Speaker 1: time of year being some of the best hunting off all.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that moon phases or weather fronts play
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  Speaker 1: a role in dere activity. It seems like every year
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  Speaker 1: I know less and less about the moon because you
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  Speaker 1: hear all this stuff, you know, the red moon, the
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  Speaker 1: rising moon, the full moon and all that. My opinion is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the rut and dose in heat and weather
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  Speaker 1: always trumps the moon. But but going back into the
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  Speaker 1: last two weeks, what everybody said was the prime moon,
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  Speaker 1: that late October moon, there was a lot of giant
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  Speaker 1: deer killed. But the full moon, um, it was it
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  Speaker 1: was terrible. I mean, not not a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: activit daylight activity at all. And if you look back,
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  Speaker 1: this is the first time and our experience that you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can look back for two weeks and the weather
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  Speaker 1: has been preconsistent. Usually it's gonna get real hot, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get real cold. We've had a couple of days
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  Speaker 1: where it got real cold. But looking back to the
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  Speaker 1: last two two and a half weeks, it's been fairly
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  Speaker 1: consistent weather. So this year, you know, every the way
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  Speaker 1: everything's lined up with the moon, it's made a little
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  Speaker 1: more sense. You know, the full moon was terrible, the
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  Speaker 1: red moon, rising moon right before the red moon was good.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's a little like I said, it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a little more predictable, or you can monitor the
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  Speaker 1: moon when the weather is consistent, but he was just
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  Speaker 1: getting cold front and getting hot in the cold front,
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  Speaker 1: getting hot, You're always gonna you know, if you see
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  Speaker 1: a lot more activity on those cold fronts. What are
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on some more aggressive tactics right now, like
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  Speaker 1: calling or decoy decoy in Um, right now, you just
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  Speaker 1: gotta catch that buck in the right mood. Uh. The
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  Speaker 1: deer I shot Sunday afternoon was actually eating, and the
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  Speaker 1: other two big four and five year olds that I've
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  Speaker 1: seen we're eating. So you know, I don't think if
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  Speaker 1: I think about I had a decoy out, then I
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  Speaker 1: think it would have blew my hunt. Um, But mornings
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  Speaker 1: for decoys right now, I think it's pretty good. Rattling
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  Speaker 1: in the morning is good. Um, I rattled in a
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  Speaker 1: buck this morning, But besides that, I hadn't had a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of luck rattling this road. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that can really be attributed to. And I rattle
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  Speaker 1: a fair amount, probably, you know, not as much as
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  Speaker 1: some people, but I think I ban the horns a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, as far as aggressive right now, I
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  Speaker 1: just you know, seat time, I know I can't preach
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  Speaker 1: that of the just being the stand he's gonna be walking.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna have some daylight walkers being the stand funnels
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  Speaker 1: in between bed and areas, pinch points anywhere else gonna
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  Speaker 1: force a deer to go. And your trail cameras right now,
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  Speaker 1: and Jeff, are they giving you any good intel? Or
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  Speaker 1: is that something that you don't focus on too much
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  Speaker 1: this time of year. No, We're focusing on it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: You know, We've got cameras running on scrapes, and then
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  Speaker 1: I got cameras on smaller food plots where I'm hoping
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  Speaker 1: to catch a dough um. You know that I'll have
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  Speaker 1: a buck in tow. And then you know, I've never
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  Speaker 1: been a fan of, you know, checking trail cams every
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  Speaker 1: day every other day, but right now I do because
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  Speaker 1: you can go in and you can find a buck alone.
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  Speaker 1: You know he's in between those You go and just
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  Speaker 1: concentrate on that area, or you go in. You've gotta
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  Speaker 1: you know, we put cameras on time lapses a lot
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  Speaker 1: in food plots, and that buck may not walk by
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  Speaker 1: that camera, but you may see him. You can zoom
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  Speaker 1: in and seize in that field. And usually if he's
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  Speaker 1: in that field, unless he's getting ready to leave, that dough.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be with her another day or two. So
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  Speaker 1: we're we check them a lot, a lot more than
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  Speaker 1: we do any other time of the year. So that's
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  Speaker 1: that's why cellular cameras are are really deadly this time
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  Speaker 1: of year. About going forward, then, jeff in the next
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  Speaker 1: week or so, what do you think that bucket activity
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  Speaker 1: is going to be in Iowa on the skill of
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  Speaker 1: one to ten. I think it's gonna start to uh
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  Speaker 1: as far as cruising bucks is gonna start slowing down,
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  Speaker 1: um after the fifteenth or through the seventeenth somewhere and there.
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  Speaker 1: I like, these next couple of days are actually some
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite. Um so I think the best is
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  Speaker 1: probably you know, we're in that window right now, at
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  Speaker 1: that five or seven day window where the real older
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  Speaker 1: deer or in the day of light activity the most.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd say, if it's gonna be a ten of
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  Speaker 1: ten is as good as it can get, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be that in the next couple of days. Then
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  Speaker 1: after that you're gonna have to start focusing on the
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  Speaker 1: food sources and catching these deer, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 1: refill up for the ruts. All right, jeff Y, like
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  Speaker 1: your optimism and thanks for joining me. Good luck this year,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you man, good luck I and joining us on
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  Speaker 1: the line. Next is Tim Bieble from the four pointer
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. Now, Tim Invermont, what would you say the
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  Speaker 1: bucket activity has been lately on a scale of one
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  Speaker 1: to ten, I'm gonna put it pretty high. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: put it around an eight or nine. Um. I just
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  Speaker 1: I've seen more scrapes lately than I've seen in many
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  Speaker 1: prior years. And uh, you know what I witnessed on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday was certainly good, solid chasing activity from the deer
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  Speaker 1: I was able to harvest. Well, Tim, you just brought
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  Speaker 1: up scrapes there. Do you think those are active scrapes
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  Speaker 1: or are you just saying that this has been maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little more intense rot that there's a lot heavier
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  Speaker 1: dear sign right now in the woods. Yeah. I think
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  Speaker 1: that the scrapes are a little bit old, probably half
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  Speaker 1: a week to a week old, based on what I
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  Speaker 1: saw on our opener on Saturday. Um. Yeah, they just
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  Speaker 1: looked at a few leaves in them, looked looked a
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  Speaker 1: little bit like they've just been h It hadn't been
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  Speaker 1: tended to in a while. And I think that's because
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  Speaker 1: the bucks are are either just cruising a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more or actually with doves and actively pursuing doves at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. Well, tell me more about that Saturday hunt
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  Speaker 1: that you had in what was Vermont's gone opener there
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  Speaker 1: where you tagged out. Uh, I was fortunate Saturday to
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  Speaker 1: take the biggest buck I've ever taken. Um. It was
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say part skill just just being in the
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  Speaker 1: right place based on the sign that I was seeing. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but there was quite a bit of luck involved to this. Uh.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: He came through following it though about and a half
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: hour before uh it got dark. Um, he was just
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: on her tail. And uh, you know, it was one
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of those cases where I was just in the right
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: place at the right time, and I couldn't be happier
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: with the with the buck, I was able to kill
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: these great, really heavy deer not much of her act,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: but he wasteen pounds dressed, which is which is a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: really big deer for around here. So I'm I'm ecstatic.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And and to you that kind of buck activity too,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: is is just fun. Um. And so it's a it's
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a hunt I'll never forget. I'm sure it's great to
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: have my dad there with me, and and uh, like
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I said something, I'll never forget. It sounds like you
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: had a great opening in the time. How about friends
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: in the area, what are they reporting for buck activity?
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I'm here and more the same. Uh, A couple of
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: friends were fortunate enough to tag out as well, and successful.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Its aren't higher round here. Um, but but I certainly
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: have heard of quite a few folks that have had
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: had good luck out there this past weekend. And uh,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and just some beauties being taken for this area. Um.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: You know, Vermont is not known for really massive raps.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: That's just not what's growing around here. But a couple
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: really really almost non existent winners back to back has
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: contributed to some to some great antler growth. I would think,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you know, instead of the deer just trying to survive,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the winner they were able to put some of that
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: energy into growing these instead of antlers. And uh, just
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: some great pictures. You've got people really excited around here.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: It's right. So hunters who are having success in Vermont,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: what do you think their strategy has been. Are they
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: looking for old buck sign and focusing on that? Are
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: they looking for dope betting? What do their techniques look like, um,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of it around here, especially on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the opener um is pressure related. You know, there's a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people that hit the woods on the first weekend.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the friends that I know that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that had bucks come by them. We're more a result
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of hunter pressure, I would say, UM. But others, you
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: know the same thing. They were just in feed to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: horses or they had those um you know, bring a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: buck by. Um, it's I wouldn't say it's nothing out
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of the ordinary. I would I would say, through a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: hunter that's having filled the tag yet if UM, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: wonder for that piece of advice to me, it was
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: just I just went I found I spent the whole
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: morning looking for, you know, the best sign I could
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: find line, and then I parked my easter right where
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I found the best sign and and hope that a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: doll would bring a buck through. And that's that's what happened.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I just I think right now, if you can find
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the those, eventually a buck's going to come through. Going forward,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: then in this next week or so, what do you
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: think that bucket activity is going to be. On the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: skill of one to ten in Vermont, I think the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: tracing is going to continue. Um. You know, we we
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: typically see the bulk of the breeding take place in
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Vermont towards the end of November, and this not this
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: week but current, but the next week right around Thanksgiving. Um,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: so I really think that that the bucks are still
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: going to be chasing for the next week. So if
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: if somebody can find, you know, where the doose are
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and just wait him out, I think that's that's key. Um. So,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you know I would put it at the same same
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: rating I gave, you know, for for what I saw
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: last weekend, I think it's gonna be up in the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: seven eight nine area for for buck movement, just Jason
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: was and trying to find them. All right, Tim, we'll
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: congrats on that great opener and thanks for joining me,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: all right, thanks a lot. Before we get to our
• 20:08
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• 20:14
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• 20:18
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• 20:33
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• 20:36
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• 20:39
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• 20:43
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• 20:49
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• 20:56
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• 21:00
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• 21:25
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• 21:29
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• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Enjoining me on theline next is the host of Buck Ventures,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Jeff Danker. Now, Jeff in Kentucky, what would you said
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the buck activity has been lately on the skill of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: one to ten? Oh man, I would say lately on
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: one to ten. I mean, mature bucks is about a two. Um,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I've been in conducted for the last three days setting
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: all day sets and I've not seen anything older than
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: so it being a two that seems pretty low for midmember.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You must think that they're in lockdown right now? Yeah. Absolutely.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I am hunting a farm, a really good farm that
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: we're managing, and you know, we got some corn fields
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and lots of hardwoods, and and um, I think they're
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: just locked down. I mean the dates line up with it,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and um, you know, just I would bet n they're
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: locked in. And so what is your strategy then during
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: this stage of the rout. My strategy with the lockdown
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: always is just to recognize that what you're dealing with.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But then just and and try to stay focused because
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: so many times you as a hunter, if you lose
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that focus and you you lose a detail, and then
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you you'll get that chance and I'd be ready for
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: So what I'm doing is I'm just waiting it out.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm I'm still hunting the doose. I mean, that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: for we're supposed to do. This time. You're playing good wins,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm setting all day. I'm staying all day and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of times in big deer when they break
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: away from them, those will be mid day and you'll
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: catch one of them suckers out sure enough looking. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and then right when that happens, you know, have those
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: horns ready. When you see that big sucker by himself,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you can call him in a lot of times. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: will you do any other aggressive tactics as far as
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: decoying or moving into those hardwoods quite yet? Well, this
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: farm right here is uh, you know, I ain't saying
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that's a wrong tactic on this farm. It's I got
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of numbers, and so if you go in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: too deep whatever, you know, you're gonna run into a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: lot of deer. You're gonna get those in the wrong
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: places and and the gig will be up. So I've
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: been just being careful and just um, I got a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: little time. So uh, you know, weather is not great,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: but when they break, you know, I'm a firm believer
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: if you have good access, if you play the wind
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: right and then put your time in setting all day,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you will get that opportunity of a big mature deer. Well,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: with those deer being in lockdown, do you think there's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: anything that can change for your favor besides the calendar day,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Like if we were to get a weather front or
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: any kind of moon phase right now? Yeah, I mean,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you know, always what's cold. You know, you're always gonna
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: have uh you know, I always say this weather will
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: will will out the moon, it will out do everything.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So if you get weather, you get good dates, that's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: gonna help. But at the same time, when the big
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: deer get locked down, they're gonna be with that though
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: thor four days, So you gotta wait it out and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, and not say that at any time
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it can happen. One could break loose, but we we
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: got good hunting, uh, in the days ahead. A guy's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: just got to get through this lockdown and and and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like sauld, keep your wits about you, because will drive
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you crazy this time here. Do you think the signmaking
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: has gone cold? Then? As far as rubs and scrapes, yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's some frustration with some rubs
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: on some bucks and stuff. But as far as setting
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: over a scrape thinking there's gonna be a big deer
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: coming and freshing it up, you're you're probably wasting your
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: time right now, Jeff, what with it being locked out?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It sounds like pretty tough hunting right now. But do
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you think there's anything that can be done from a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: hunter's perspective if you find some deer that are locked
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: down right now? Well, I mean, you know, the one
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: thing as a bowl hunter, you know when you see them,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: don't be scared to to do a spot and stock
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: on a white tail. You know, I know that's not
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a typical type deal. But when you get that buck
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: locked down, all you have to do is make sure
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that that you don't spook that dough. You can literally
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: walk up in that buck and be watching you. If
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you don't spook that though, you can walk for a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: shoot him. So I mean that's something to look out
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for and just don't be scared to try that because
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it's worked many times for hunters going forward. Then in
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the next week or so, what do you think that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: bucks activity is going to be on a scale of one?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Detend in Kentucky. Well, I think I would say it
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: would be I would I would want to say a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: seven or eight, and I would say that if we
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: were gonna get cold weather, but we're not, so I'm
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: gonna stick to probably around the five. I mean there,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I think there'll be times of a six. Um, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: maybe some cooler tip mornings, but we're gonna have some
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: class cover, gonna holding heat and you know, so I'm
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: gonna stick with that. And again, I can't stress enough
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to all the hunters out there. They need to be
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: setting all day because you never know when that good
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: activity is gonna happen. All right, Jeff, Well, I hope
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you get that cold snap and good luck going forward.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, Thank you so much, appreciate it
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: alright and joining us on the line. Last is Shane
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Maury in Idaho, the founder of Bone maniacs now Shane
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in Idaho, what would you say the bucket activity has
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: been lately on a scale of one to ten, I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: gonna have to go with five on this one. Yeah, five,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: meaning that you know, you get several different topographies in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: in Idaho, you know in the unit wise as well
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and from what I know in the units, Uh take
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: for instance, um, the ones that I'm real familiar with,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: thirty nine, thirty three, thirty six, sixty sixty five. And
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: then the upper portion of the Panhandle of Idaho. Which
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of all the units that I typically hunt, Um, you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: know for for white tail, Um, it's it's been hotter cold,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: um pay for instance, We're to start with the with
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the Panhandle, And maybe it has something to do with
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the weather, because um, you know, you have different resources.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody's got their opinions. UM. I'm usually trying to go
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: by by what I see when I'm hunting, and and um,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you know, put things together on on on what I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: need to do to punch that tag as they say
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: up in the Panhandle. You know, a lot of the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: weathers came in pretty quick, pretty much how it did
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: last year. I think the the road. Activity is just
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: getting started up there. Um from the signs we're seeing
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: take for insts of the lands, on the on the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: on the on the bucks that we're seeing on video,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you know they're still dry. Um. Over in sixty four
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and sixty five, you know, we're starting to see a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: little bit of pushing from the amateur books and UM.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I would say any day now that things
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: are going to get really turned on over there. Uh
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: up in the thirty three unit um around crowds you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: get into that area, UM, I would say you're probably
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: more along the lines of UM, you know activity is
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is that is peak? Um? You know, as far as
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: that's concerned, so well, I know you had a lot
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of the mid West as well. How would you say
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: mid November is different in Idaho versus someplace like Ohio
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: or Indiana? And how do your tactics differ? Sure, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: mean as far as hunting the Midwest and then hunting
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: in Idaho as well. Um, there's a lot of uh,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I think things that come into play as far as
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the road is concerned. Um. For one of the extreme
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: temperatures that you're going to have from you know, the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Midwest to Idaho is take for instance, So I just
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: came into to Indiana and you know, the temperatures have
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: been notatively warm, you know, and the movement in deer
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in general has been really down. And the agriculture a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: lot of the they had a wet season. Um and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you know the corn uh still standing on pretty much
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: addacent farm that I was honey, Uh, that has just
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: went down. So I'm seeing more deer activity um in
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the past few days. As far as Idaho, I mean,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: as far as the AGAs concerned, you know, there's not
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: really a lot that's you know that they're gonna be uh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you know, as far as movement is concerned, and um,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you know when when that uh you know, as a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: as a key factor for you know, huneme tactics, um,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, pench points and things like that, as far
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: as you know where you're gonna set up stands if
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you're a stand hunter, um tactics. As far as you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of Western guys spot and stock,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the white tail uh and really um but
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: as far as you know spot and stock, de city
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was forced in the Midwest on these little pocket drawls
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and deep ravines. That's that's holding good, good um. You know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of leaves. It's nearly ninety nine nine
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: percent and possible before you to do any type of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: tactics for that. But it's pretty much putting up on
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: good trails and and open for the best true canavas
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: um and and doing a lot of uh, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: if it isn't rut or pre rut um, you're gonna
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: have to study, you know, a lot of the deer movement.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: If produce it a buck in trying to get a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: good glance of, you know, what his glands are looking like.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: If they're not black, then obviously an immature buck is
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: going to be starting to run a lot earlier, um
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: than what a good um mature buck is going to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: be on his feet. Typically he's gonna be pretty much
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a nocturnal animal until those doughs are really in full swing. Uh, Pesterston,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: there's no reason for him, you know, um to be
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: on his feet. He's pretty much call ittis. Uh. Those
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: ammateure bucks do all the work for him. Well going forward,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Then in the next week or so in Idaho, what
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: do you think the buck activ is going to be
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten, um, I would
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: say it's probably gonna be picking up. I would probably
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: have to guess it's gonna be somewhere right around it
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: eight or nine. Um, you know as far as that,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: since then, a lot of the intil of the we've gathered,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it should be a much better week. Um. One of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: our staff actually is over in sixty Fires right now,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and um, he's giving me some really good reports that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, um, and I'm really pulling for him. So
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: he's got his eyes on a good buck that that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: they've been keeping track of, but they haven't been able
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: to locate him there just because mainly, you know, as
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: far as the the open country that they're dealing with,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: there is some mag there that they're hunting on, but
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you know, they're they're going to be ground hunters as
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: far as you know the muzzle eyer tag. So UM,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm really thinking that he should be in fullcing the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: bread over there. Well. Thanks for joining me, Shane, and
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: good luck to you and the rest of the Bone
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Maniacs team. Thanks Spencer, and that concludes this week's episode
• 33:18
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• 33:31
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• 33:34
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• 33:36
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