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74-Year-Old Named Person Of Interest After Human Remains Found In San Diego · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine you're sitting in a county jail cell.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You're waiting on the slow grinding machinery of the justice
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  Speaker 1: system to process your case because you are already facing
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  Speaker 1: a murder charge.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So you're already in deep trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You are locked in. And then a breaking news
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  Speaker 1: alert just flashes on the television in the rec room.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the screen shows this quiet residential neighborhood. The
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  Speaker 1: reporter is standing in front of like yellow police tape.
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  Speaker 1: And the chyron at the bottom of the screen says
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  Speaker 1: the FBI is currently digging up the backyard of the
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  Speaker 1: house you used to rent.
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  Speaker 2: That is, I mean, that's just a surreal collision of events.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And even more critically, the authorities are telling
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  Speaker 1: the press on this broadcast that they do not even
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  Speaker 1: know how many bodies they found in that dirt yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Which completely, it just upends the procedural norms of
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  Speaker 2: a standard criminal case. You have this localized, isolated homicide
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  Speaker 2: charge that you're already sitting in jail for.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it suddenly, violently collides with a sprawling, multi-jurisdictional forensic excavation.
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  Speaker 1: Today, let's look at the exact 250-word news brief that
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  Speaker 1: alerted the world to that scenario. Welcome to this deep dive.
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  Speaker 1: Our mission today is, well, it's basically an exercise in
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  Speaker 1: extreme close reading.
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  Speaker 2: I love doing this, just really tearing down a tiny
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  Speaker 2: piece of text.
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  Speaker 1: It's so necessary. We're taking a single, incredibly brief, Breaking
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  Speaker 1: News article. This was published by ABC News on December 3,
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  Speaker 1: 2025 at 7.50 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: Very specific timestamp.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, 7.50 p.m. It was written by Emily Shapiro with
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  Speaker 1: contributions from Jack Moore. And the headline reads, quote, 74-year-old
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  Speaker 1: named person of interest after human remains found in San Diego.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in our current media ecosystem, a 250-word brief
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  Speaker 2: like that, it's designed for pure frictionless consumption. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You just scroll right past it. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You're meant to absorb the core nouns, like the who,
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  Speaker 2: the what, and the where, and scroll past it in, what,
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  Speaker 2: roughly 20 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Probably less, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably less. The brevity is a function of the platform.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a reflection of the event's actual complexity.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because the contrast between the length
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  Speaker 1: of this article and the sheer, you know, gravity of
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  Speaker 1: what it describes is, Is staggering.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. It's like looking at the tip of
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  Speaker 2: an iceberg.
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  Speaker 1: We are not just going to read the text today
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  Speaker 1: for you listening. We're going to deconstruct the legal terminology,
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  Speaker 1: the interagency protocols.
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  Speaker 2: The forensic realities, too, which are grim.
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  Speaker 1: Very grim. And the very specific ways journalists carefully phrase
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  Speaker 1: their sentences when a massive investigation is unfolding in real time.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at the gears turning beneath the surface of
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  Speaker 1: the headlines.
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  Speaker 2: And to see those years, you really have to look
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  Speaker 2: closely at the verbs and the sequence of events as
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  Speaker 2: they're presented by the reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're chosen so carefully, right?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. We are so conditioned to think of criminal investigations
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  Speaker 2: as these linear narratives. You know, a crime happens. The
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  Speaker 2: local police arrive. They find a clue. They arrest a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Just like on TV.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Like a neat 45-minute procedural. But this text immediately
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  Speaker 2: disrupts that assumption.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. Which brings us to the very first
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  Speaker 1: sentence of the actual reporting and honestly the spark of
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  Speaker 1: this entire investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: So the article states that the investigation began with California
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  Speaker 1: Highway Patrol detectives.
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  Speaker 2: The CHP.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the CHP. They suspected that human remains were on
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  Speaker 1: a property in the South Crest neighborhood of San Diego. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And immediately the geography of this case feels wrong to me.
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  Speaker 1: How so? Well, when I think of the Highway Patrol,
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  Speaker 1: I think of the interstate. Yeah. You know. I think
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  Speaker 1: of traffic enforcement, vehicle collisions, maybe a high speed pursuit
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  Speaker 1: on the I-5. Why is a state level highway agency
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  Speaker 1: the catalyst for a forensic dig at a static residential
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  Speaker 1: house in a neighborhood like Southcrest?
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  Speaker 2: It's I mean, it is the first major anomaly in
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  Speaker 2: the text, and it perfectly illustrates how fluid jurisdiction actually
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  Speaker 2: is in the real world.
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  Speaker 1: Fluid like how? Well.
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  Speaker 2: Criminals and the evidence they leave behind, they don't adhere
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  Speaker 2: to municipal boundaries. They don't just stay in one city limit.
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  Speaker 2: So the explicit inclusion of the California Highway Patrol strongly
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  Speaker 2: implies that the genesis of this massive property search did
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  Speaker 2: not originate at the property itself.
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  Speaker 1: Are we assuming this started with a car? Because if
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  Speaker 1: a highway patrol detective is like pulling the thread, that
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  Speaker 1: thread usually starts on the asphalt, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Strictly analyzing the text, yeah, the involvement of highway detectives
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  Speaker 2: points heavily to a vehicular nexus.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so like a traffic stop.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been a routine traffic stop that escalated.
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  Speaker 2: Or it could have been the discovery of an abandoned
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  Speaker 2: vehicle on the shoulder of a state route.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, like a car just left on the side of
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  Speaker 1: the highway with something inside it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Or perhaps during the investigation of a completely separate
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  Speaker 2: highway incident, maybe a crash. They uncovered a piece of
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  Speaker 2: physical evidence, a document, or a digital trail inside a vehicle. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever they found on state infrastructure, it was compelling enough
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  Speaker 2: to point a direct arrow to a specific residential address
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  Speaker 2: in South Crest.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at this specific verb the journalist used right there.
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  Speaker 1: The text says the CHP detectives, quote, suspected human remains
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  Speaker 1: were on the property. Suspected? Yeah, that word carries a
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  Speaker 1: lot of weight. They didn't know. They suspected.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the legal threshold required to act
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  Speaker 2: on that specific word. In law enforcement, suspicion is not
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  Speaker 2: a feeling.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just a hunch.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is a measurable legal standard. You have a
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  Speaker 2: spectrum that ranges from a mere hunch to reasonable suspicion
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  Speaker 2: up to probable cause and finally, absolute certainty.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so where does this fall?
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  Speaker 2: For a state agency to formally suspect that human remains
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  Speaker 2: are buried or hidden at a specific address, They cannot
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  Speaker 2: simply be acting on a bad feeling about a property. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They need a legally defensible reason to knock on that door.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. They have to present an articulable foundation to a
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  Speaker 2: judge eventually. The text implies a highly specific chain of
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  Speaker 2: custody regarding information.
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  Speaker 1: So they found something solid.
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  Speaker 2: The CHP found something credible enough that it survived legal scrutiny. But,
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  Speaker 2: and this is where it gets complicated, they hit a
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  Speaker 2: jurisdictional wall.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're highway cops.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The Highway Patrol monitors state thoroughfares. A private, static
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  Speaker 2: residence in the South Crest neighborhood falls squarely under the
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  Speaker 2: jurisdiction of the local municipality.
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  Speaker 1: So they have this suspicion. They have whatever evidence generated
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  Speaker 1: that suspicion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But they can't just, like, start digging up a yard
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  Speaker 1: on their own.
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: They have to cross lines. Which explains the next part
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  Speaker 1: of the sentence. The article says the CHP suspected the
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  Speaker 1: remains were there, quote, San Diego police said.
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  Speaker 2: There it is. This is the interagency handoff occurring in
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  Speaker 2: plain text.
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  Speaker 1: It's so subtle.
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  Speaker 2: It is, but it's huge. The San Diego Police Department
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  Speaker 2: is the agency speaking to the press because they own
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  Speaker 2: the jurisdiction of the South Crest neighborhood. But they are
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  Speaker 2: publicly attributing the initial discovery to the CHP.
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  Speaker 1: So it's essentially a mandatory collaboration.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Once the Highway Patrol realizes they are looking at a
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  Speaker 1: potential mass crime scene in a residential area.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The immediate priority shifts, right? It shifts from whatever highway
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  Speaker 1: incident they were working on to securing a local property.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They have to pivot immediately.
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  Speaker 1: They have to package their intelligence, drive it to the
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  Speaker 1: local precinct and tell the San Diego PD, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: have reason to believe there is a crime scene in
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  Speaker 1: your backyard.
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  Speaker 2: And think about the logistics of that. It requires briefings,
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  Speaker 2: the sharing of whatever foundational evidence the CHP acquired, and
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  Speaker 2: the drafting of initial reports that satisfy the local department's
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  Speaker 2: command structure.
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  Speaker 1: Because San Diego PD isn't just going to take their
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  Speaker 1: word for it blindly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The San Diego PD has to agree with the
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  Speaker 2: CHP's suspicion before they commit local resources to securing a property.
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  Speaker 1: And this leaves us to the individual tied to that
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  Speaker 1: specific property. From the jurisdictional puzzle of the location, we
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  Speaker 1: move to the actual target of the investigation.
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  Speaker 2: The who?
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  Speaker 1: The who. The article states the San Diego County District
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  Speaker 1: Attorney's Office identified 74-year-old Dwight William Roan as a person
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  Speaker 1: of interest in the investigation. Furthermore, it explicitly notes he
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  Speaker 1: is a, quote, previous tenant at the property.
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  Speaker 2: That detail, previous tenant, is structurally crucial to the whole story.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it establishes historical proximity and opportunity. By identifying him
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  Speaker 2: as a former renter, authorities are drawing a direct line
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  Speaker 2: between the individual and the physical dirt where the remains
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  Speaker 2: were discovered.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So simultaneously, they are acknowledging that he does not currently
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  Speaker 2: occupy the space.
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  Speaker 1: Which opens up a whole other logistical nightmare. If he's
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  Speaker 1: the previous tenant, that means someone else is likely the
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  Speaker 1: current tenant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, almost certainly.
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  Speaker 1: So the authorities aren't just searching a vacant lot. They
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  Speaker 1: are executing a warrant on a property that might currently
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  Speaker 1: be inhabited by a family or people who have absolutely
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with this.
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  Speaker 2: It's a massive disruption.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? You're just renting a house and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: the FBI is in your backyard looking for bodies from
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  Speaker 1: the guy who lived there before you.
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  Speaker 2: It's traumatizing for the current residents, without a doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to zero in on the terminology the
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  Speaker 1: district attorney's office is using here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They call him a person of interest.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If they found human remains at the house he used
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  Speaker 1: to rent... and they have named him publicly, why not
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  Speaker 1: just call him the suspect?
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  Speaker 2: Because naming someone a person of interest versus a suspect
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  Speaker 2: is not just a semantic choice. It is a highly
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  Speaker 2: calculated legal maneuver.
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  Speaker 1: A maneuver to do what?
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  Speaker 2: Naming him a person of interest while holding him on
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  Speaker 2: a separate charge is like, it's like installing a pressure
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  Speaker 2: valve on a boiler.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that. How is it a pressure valve?
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  Speaker 2: The district attorney needs to release some information to the public.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot have the police and the FBI staging a massive,
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  Speaker 2: highly visible excavation in a residential neighborhood without providing some context.
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  Speaker 2: to the community.
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  Speaker 1: Right. People are going to panic. They'll have their phones
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  Speaker 1: out filming.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The press is already there. The pressure to name
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  Speaker 2: a target is immense. However, if the DA officially labels
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  Speaker 2: Roan a suspect in relation to these newly discovered remains...
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  Speaker 2: They risk tripping legal wires that activate constitutional protections.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, like the right to a speedy trial.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Or the requirement to present formal charges within a
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  Speaker 2: highly compressed time frame.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't want to start the clock.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. By using the nebulous term person of interest, the
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  Speaker 2: DA is signaling to the public that they have a distinct,
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  Speaker 2: focused lead. But they are deliberately avoiding the formal mechanisms
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  Speaker 2: of a legal accusation regarding the South Crest remains.
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  Speaker 1: They are letting off the public pressure without starting a
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  Speaker 1: legal countdown clock that they are just not ready to manage.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And they are not ready to manage it because of
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  Speaker 1: the bombshell detail the article drops next. The text states
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  Speaker 1: that the district attorney confirmed Roan is already in custody.
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  Speaker 2: Already in jail.
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  Speaker 1: He was currently charged with the killing of another man,
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  Speaker 1: Bernardo Moreno. And then the article just stops on that point.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutor's office withheld any further details on the Moreno homicide.
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  Speaker 2: And if we connect this to the bigger picture... This
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  Speaker 2: is where we see the mechanical advantage of the prosecutor's strategy.
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  Speaker 2: Though we must, of course, state clearly for you listening
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  Speaker 2: that we are analyzing the tactical reporting of these charges
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  Speaker 2: as outlined by the DA and the tech.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. We have to be clear on that. Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Roan, like any individual facing charges, maintains the presumption of
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  Speaker 2: innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. We
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  Speaker 2: are dissecting the legal mechanics described in the brief, not
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  Speaker 2: endorsing a verdict. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at the architecture of the investigation as it's
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  Speaker 1: presented to us by the news and the authorities. And architecturally,
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  Speaker 1: the DA has a massive advantage here because the subject
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  Speaker 1: of their new investigation is already locked in a cell.
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  Speaker 2: The tactical value of that cannot be overstated.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: When law enforcement uncovers a potential homicide scene. The overriding
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  Speaker 2: pressure is containment.
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  Speaker 1: Containment of the suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Containment of everything. Is the perpetrator going to flee the jurisdiction?
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  Speaker 2: Are they actively destroying peripheral evidence right now? Are they
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  Speaker 2: attempting to intimidate or silence witnesses?
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's a scramble.
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  Speaker 2: The investigation usually becomes a frantic race against the perpetrator's mobility.
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  Speaker 1: But the Moreno charge neutralizes all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. By utilizing the Moreno charge as an anchor... The
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  Speaker 2: investigators buy themselves the most valuable resource in forensic science.
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  Speaker 1: Which is time.
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  Speaker 2: Time. Roan is secured. The flight risk is zero.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Right. This allows the interagency team to methodically, painstakingly, excavate
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  Speaker 2: the South Crest property without the ticking clock of a
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  Speaker 2: fleeing target dictating their pace.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the scale of that excavation. Because
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  Speaker 1: the text makes it clear. This is not a slow,
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  Speaker 1: quiet dig by a couple of local detectives with shovels.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: The article states, quote, The FBI. Yeah, when I see
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  Speaker 1: the FBI involved in a property search, My true crime
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  Speaker 1: brain immediately jumps to the most extreme scenarios.
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  Speaker 2: It's a natural reaction.
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  Speaker 1: I assume they think they are dealing with a multistate
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  Speaker 1: serial killer or terrorism or something highly federal. But is
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  Speaker 1: that reality? Or is the local police department just borrowing
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  Speaker 1: the FBI's expensive equipment?
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  Speaker 2: It is a vital distinction to make. While the FBI
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  Speaker 2: does have jurisdiction over federal crimes and interstate offenses, their
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  Speaker 2: presence at a local residential property search often comes down
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  Speaker 2: to logistics.
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  Speaker 1: Logistics over jurisdiction?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It's about specialized capabilities rather than purely jurisdictional authority.
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  Speaker 1: So it's about resources.
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  Speaker 2: Heavy resources. A standard search warrant for a resident, say,
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  Speaker 2: looking for a weapon or narcotics that can be executed
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  Speaker 2: by a local precinct's tactical team or narcotics unit.
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  Speaker 1: Just a few guys. Maybe battering ram.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But the search for human remains, particularly remains that
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  Speaker 2: may be buried or concealed within the infrastructure of a property.
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  Speaker 1: Like under concrete.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Under concrete, in walls, buried deep in a yard.
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  Speaker 2: That requires a vastly different operational footprint.
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  Speaker 1: What does that footprint actually look like on the ground?
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  Speaker 1: Because the phrase served a search warrant sounds like someone just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, handing over a piece of paper and walking inside.
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  Speaker 2: In this context, serving the warrant is merely the legal
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  Speaker 2: key that unlocks a massive logistical deployment. The FBI houses
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  Speaker 2: what are called evidence response teams or ETs. These are
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  Speaker 2: highly specialized units trained in forensic archaeology. If the San
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  Speaker 2: Diego PD suspect's remains are buried in a yard or
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  Speaker 2: concealed beneath a foundation, they do not want patrol officers
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  Speaker 2: with shovels disturbing the site.
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  Speaker 1: Because they could destroy evidence?
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  Speaker 2: They could destroy fragile bone fragments. They could ruin the
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  Speaker 2: stratigraphy of the soil, which helps date the burial. So
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  Speaker 2: they request the FBI's ERT because those agents bring ground-penetrating radar.
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  Speaker 2: They bring specialized sifting equipment to separate soil from bone
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  Speaker 2: fragments at a microscopic level. They utilize 3D laser scanning
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  Speaker 2: to map the topography of the scene before a single
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  Speaker 2: grain of dirt is moved.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally an industrial-scale operation.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It requires staging areas for heavy equipment, command
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  Speaker 2: posts for interagency coordination, privacy fencing to shield the excavation
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  Speaker 2: from the public and the media.
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  Speaker 1: And hazard suits, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, hazard suits for the investigators. When the text states
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  Speaker 2: multiple agencies, including the FBI, served a search warrant, it
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  Speaker 2: is describing the mobilization of dozens, if not hundreds, of
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  Speaker 2: personnel transforming a neighborhood lot into a high-security forensic grid.
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  Speaker 1: And we know the media was there to see that
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  Speaker 1: transformation because the article mentions that a local news affiliate, KGTV,
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  Speaker 1: provided video footage of the property.
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  Speaker 2: Right, they were on the scene.
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  Speaker 1: The brief actually notes there is a one-minute and 36-second
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  Speaker 1: video attached to this report. This highlights a really interesting
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  Speaker 1: dynamic in how we get our news.
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  Speaker 2: It's the modern media pipeline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You have the local affiliate, Gagey TV, physically sending
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  Speaker 1: a camera crew to South Crest. They're the ones standing
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  Speaker 1: at the police tape, capturing the flashing lights, the FBI tents,
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  Speaker 1: the visual proof of this massive operation.
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  Speaker 2: They provide the raw, localized data, the visceral reality of
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  Speaker 2: the event as it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And then a national outlet. like ABC News, takes
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  Speaker 1: that raw local footage, pairs it with the official statements
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  Speaker 1: from the district attorney and the San Diego PD, and
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  Speaker 1: synthesizes it into this highly compressed 250-word national alert.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's a symbiotic relationship between local field reporting and national
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: editorial synthesis.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Without the local guys, the national guys have nothing to show.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: It is the supply chain of modern journalism. The local
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: affiliate gathers the raw material and the national network refines
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: it and distributes it to a global audience.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: But what is truly remarkable about this specific distribution is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: that despite the massive interagency response.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Despite the FBI's ground penetrating radar and the highway patrol's
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: initial tip, the physical discovery yields an incredibly opaque result.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most unsettling sentence in the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: entire article.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And I want to read this verbatim for you listening
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: because the phrasing is so stark. The text explicitly states, quote,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: whether the remains belong to multiple people is unknown.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: That's chilling.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: It then follows up with identity and cause of death
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: have not been released. Let's just hold on that first concept.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Whether the remains belong to multiple people is unknown. How
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: does a combined task force of local police and federal
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: agents determine find human remains, and not know if they
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: were looking at one person or several people.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It forces us to confront the physical realities of forensic
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: science that are usually sanitized for public consumption.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Because usually on the news they say a body was found.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. When authorities issue a statement admitting they cannot establish
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a body count, they are communicating that the scene is
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: profoundly compromised.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Because if they found a complete, intact set of remains,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the math would be simple. One skull, one person.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Precisely. In forensic anthropology, one of the primary goals upon
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: discovering a site is establishing what they call the MNI,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: or the minimum number of individuals.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: MNI.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: If the authorities cannot immediately declare an MNI of one,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: it implies the remains are not intact.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So what are they actually looking at in that dirt?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: We can deduce a few grim possibilities based on the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: scientific requirements of identification. The remains may be highly fragmented.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Like broken apart?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. They may be severely degraded due to the passage
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of a significant amount of time or exposure to local
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: environmental elements, soil acidity, animal scavenging.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It is also possible they were deliberately dismembered or concealed
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in a manner that commingled the evidence.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It's like finding a box of puzzle pieces without the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: picture on the cover, and you don't even know if
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: all the pieces belong to the same puzzle.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: That is a highly accurate assessment of a complex forensic scatter.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: That's terrifying.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: The investigators must first determine which fragments are human versus non-human,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: because animal bones are often mixed in. And then they
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: must attempt to articulate those fragments to see if they
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: account for more than one skeletal structure.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: How do they even do that on site?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they can't. For example, finding two distinct left femurs
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: instantly raises the MNI to two. You know, you have
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: at least two people.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Because nobody has two left femurs.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Right. But if the degradation is severe enough, that immediate
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: visual assessment is just impossible on site.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So they just scoop it all up.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: The material must be carefully documented, excavated, and transported to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: a medical examiner's laboratory for prolonged osteological analysis.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And this forensic ambiguity, this not knowing, creates a massive
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: disconnect in the narrative the DA is trying to manage.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Because the text tells us Dwight William Roan is charged
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: with the killing of Bernardo Moreno. It also tells us
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Roan is a person of interest regarding these newly discovered remains.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But the text carefully, deliberately does not connect Moreno to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the dirt in Southcrest.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: That separation is the most critical piece of legal reporting
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: in the brief.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: The journalist is outlining the known facts without bridging the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: gaps that law enforcement hasn't officially crossed yet.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Are these remains connected to Moreno? Is it possible they
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: actually found Moreno at the property?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It's possible.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Or is the DA dealing with an entirely separate set
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: of victims?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Based on the text, the gaping void is intentional. The
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: authorities may literally not know yet.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: They just don't know who they dug up.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And this loops back perfectly to your earlier point
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: about the pressure valve of naming him a person of interest.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: The district attorney cannot formally charge Roan with a homicide
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: related to the Southcrest property because they cannot legally identify
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: a victim. You cannot draft an indictment for the murder
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of an unknown entity when you aren't even certain if
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it's a single entity or multiple entities.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: The science has to catch up with the legal strategy. Yes.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: The FBI can dig up the yard in an afternoon.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: But the lab might take weeks or months to extract
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: DNA or establish the minimum number of individuals.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: It's a slow, painstaking scientific process.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, the DA is just holding the line,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: using the Moreno charge to keep their person of interest
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: exactly where they want him.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: It is a precarious holding pattern executed in full view
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: of the public and the press.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the final and perhaps most fascinating
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: layer of this deep dive.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: The broader context.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to zoom out from the specific forensic
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and legal details of Dwight William Rohn and the San
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Diego PD and look at the actual digital environment where
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: this text lives.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: The web page itself.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly. If you go to the ABC News website and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: look at this 250-word brief, you are not just seeing
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this story in isolation. The page is designed with surrounding context.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: It's never just one story on a screen.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Right next to the grim details of this forensic mystery,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: there is a sidebar titled Popular Reads. And the list
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of topics presented to the reader is jarring.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The architecture of the information ecosystem.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Yes. While you were reading about a 74-year-old man and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: unidentified human remains, the sidebar is offering you these options.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: An NTSB investigation into an Amazon cargo plane crash that
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: left five dead and five injured, updated one day ago.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Huge disaster.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Right under that. Live updates on Iran and Stiantekom denying
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: IRGC claims of strikes on U.S. destroyers, updated 16 minutes ago.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Geopolitical crisis.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Next is a story about a judge declaring a mistrial
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in the Lindsay Clancy case. And finally, a report on
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: four family members killed in a small plane crash in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the Bahamas.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It is a relentless, flattened hierarchy of trauma.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So what does this actually mean for you, the reader?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Think about the cognitive load required to navigate that single
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: web page.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's immense.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You are being asked to process a localized, highly complex,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: potential serial murder investigation in Southern California. But your peripheral vision...
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is being flooded with international military conflicts in the Middle East,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: a high-profile domestic legal tragedy in the Clancy case, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: multiple unrelated aviation disasters resulting in mass casualties.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: This specific UI design, the juxtaposition of vastly different scales
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: of catastrophe, this is what accelerates compassion fatigue in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: modern reader.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Compassion fatigue, wow.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: The human brain was not evolved to triage a localized murder,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a geopolitical skirmish, and a commercial airline disaster simultaneously.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: It's like the website is forcing a short circuit in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: your empathy.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: It absolutely is. Historically, an event like the FBI excavating
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: a neighborhood yard to find unknown remains that would dominate
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the collective consciousness of a region for weeks.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: People would talk about nothing else.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: It would be the singular focus of communal anxiety. But
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: in this digital architecture, it is reduced to a single
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: bullet point in a mosaic of global instability.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Just one of many tabs.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: The interface visually equates the South Crest remains with the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Iranian military updates. They are both just clickable links in
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the identical 12-point font.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And when you view the article through that lens, the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: 250-word length suddenly makes total sense.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: The brevity isn't a failure of reporting. It's a defensive
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: design choice.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: It is the commodification of crisis. The editorial desk understands
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the environment they are publishing into. They know the reader
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is overwhelmed, scanning the page while commuting, or waiting in
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: line for coffee.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: They know you are going to see Amazon plane crash
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: out of the corner of your eye And click away
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: from the San Diego story.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Precisely. Therefore, the writer, Emily Shapiro, has to strip away
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: all extraneous narrative.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Get right to the point.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: There is no room for the atmospheric details of the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: South Crest neighborhood. There is no space to profile the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: California Highway Patrol detectives or explain the forensic science of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: bone degradation like we just did.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Because nobody would finish reading it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: The text is aggressively compressed into a delivery mechanism for
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: pure data. Name, age, charge, location, agencies involved.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Bam, bam, bam.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It delivers the payload of information before the reader's attention
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: inevitably fractures and they scroll to the next disaster.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But as we've demonstrated today, just because the text is
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: compressed doesn't mean the depth isn't there.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: No, the depth is there if you look for it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: You just have to know how to decompress it. We
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: took a brief that takes 20 seconds to read and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: we found an incredibly dense web of mechanics.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: We really did.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: We explored how a vague suspicion on the highway requires
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a multi-agency handoff to breach a local jurisdiction.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: The jurisdictional hub.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: We unpacked the strategic brilliance of a district attorney using
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: an existing murder charge as a legal anchor to buy
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the FBI time to deploy evidence response teams.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: The pressure house.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: We looked at the terrifying realities of forensic anthropology when
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the authorities admit they can't even count the victims.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: The MNI.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And we analyzed how the very design of the news
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: website forces us to consume this darkness alongside a dozen
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: other global catastrophes.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: The primary takeaway for anyone consuming modern media for you
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: listening right now is that knowledge requires friction. Friction.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: If you rely solely on passive reading, you will only
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: absorb the data points the platform forces upon you.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You're just skimming.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Right. Active reading demands that you interrogate the text. When
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you see a short news alert, question the verbs. Why
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: did they use suspected instead of determined?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Note the jurisdictional gaps.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Why is a state agency speaking to a local police department?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Recognize the legal maneuvers. What is the functional difference between
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a person of interest and a suspect?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Because it's never just semantics.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Never. The most critical elements of a developing story are
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: rarely explicitly stated. They are found in the structural negative
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: space of the reporting.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Active reading requires you to build the context the platform
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: leaves out. And as we wrap up this deep dive,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: mull over. Something that builds on the incredible tension we've
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: explored today between the slow crawl of legal procedure and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the lightning speed of public perception.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: That tension is huge.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Imagine that rec room in the county jail again. A
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: 74-year-old man is sitting in a cell, presumed innocent under
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the law, awaiting trial for one specific homicide.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're back in the cell.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But out in the world. A national news network has
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: just blasted an alert to millions of smartphones explicitly linking
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: his name, his age, and his former home to an
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: unknown number of human remains being excavated by federal agents.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It's instantly global.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: At what point does the strict constitutional presumption of innocence...
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: under the sheer overwhelming statistical improbability of that coincidence.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: That is the core conflict.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: More importantly, in an era where 250 word breaking news
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: briefs are permanently archived and instantly searchable, how does a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: defense attorney ever find a jury pool that hasn't already
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: read the headlines, connected the dots, and rendered a verdict
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in the 20 seconds it took them to scroll past
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the story?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: It's nearly impossible.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It's a profound collision between the ideals of the justice
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: system and the reality of the information age. Something to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: think about the next time your phone buzzes with a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: breaking news alert. Thank you so much for joining us
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on this deep dive. Until next time, keep reading between
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the lines.