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10/8/26: Trump Lashes Out At Abdul, Trump Ominous Election Surprise, Trump Ambassador Caught Begging For Money · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: So one of the biggest marquee races this cycle is,
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: of course, Mike Rogers versus Abdullah Syed for the Senate
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: seat in the state of Michigan. And Mike Rogers and
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: the Republicans really grasping at whatever they possibly can. As
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: I was saying before, they think they have a chance
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: to split some Jewish voters off from the Democratic coalition.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: So you've got a new ad here from the, quote,
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  Speaker 1: Republican Jewish Coalition Victory Fund. talking to some purported Jewish
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Democrats who are saying they can't vote for Abdul El-Sayed.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: And then we've got that clip together with a focus
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  Speaker 1: group of some voters echoing some of these concerns about
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  Speaker 1: Abdul El-Sayed's position on Israel. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: The Temple Israel attack was a day we will never forget.
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  Speaker 2: My grandson attends Temple Israel preschool, and I will never
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  Speaker 2: forgive El-Sayed for excusing the terrorist who caused this terrible incident.
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  Speaker 3: Right after the attack, Abdul El-Sayed said, hurt people hurt people.
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  Speaker 3: And he is giving permission for another person to do
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  Speaker 3: it again. He demonizes Israel.
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  Speaker 4: It's the Jews' fault. I am a lifelong Democrat, and
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  Speaker 4: I will not vote for El-Sayed.
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  Speaker 5: My daughter goes to University of Detroit Mercy. She's in
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  Speaker 5: her second year of law school. And she has to
• 1:14
  Speaker 5: hide being Jewish. And it's a hard thing to say
• 1:18
  Speaker 5: when October 7th came.
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  Speaker 4: Horrible for her. Lots of tears.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: I may go to Mike Rogers. So, look, I'm just
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: going to say to this lady, I'm sorry I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe you. that your daughter at law school has to
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  Speaker 1: hide being Jewish, I'm sorry, I don't believe you. I
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: see no evidence of that among our nation's prestigious universities
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  Speaker 1: and law schools, that that is in fact reality and
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  Speaker 1: not your own or your daughter's delusion or fantasy. With
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: regard to the ad here, I think there will be
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  Speaker 1: some number of Jewish voters in Michigan who have decided
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  Speaker 1: that Israel is their number one issue, that they are
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  Speaker 1: completely committed to that country over literally anything else and
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: who will split off and vote for Republicans. But what
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  Speaker 1: we have seen in terms of the polling is that
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: it continues to be the case that a majority of
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: Jewish voters are voting for Democrats. And even Zoran in
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  Speaker 1: New York City, who, you know, his opponents made his
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  Speaker 1: anti-Zionism a major issue in his campaign, did quite well
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  Speaker 1: with Jewish voters at the end of the day. So
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: I think there is something for them to work with here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't doubt that that is the case or some
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  Speaker 1: voters who may just stay home. But you have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of other factors at play here as well. And
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  Speaker 1: it's really worth keeping in mind that many, many, many
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  Speaker 1: Jewish voters are disgusted with the Netanyahu government, are disgusted
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  Speaker 1: with the status quo with regard to Israel and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: would like to see a change in policy and many who,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, have led the way in the anti-Zionist
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  Speaker 1: protest movements as well that we've seen and we've covered.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will just going to reiterate your point.
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  Speaker 6: I joked, I said, if anything, other people may have
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  Speaker 6: to hide that they're not Jewish at law school. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's just like, come on, you know, you were really
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  Speaker 6: supposed to believe that you have to hide your Jewish identity.
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  Speaker 4: At a law school. By the way, I looked it up.
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  Speaker 4: It's a private Catholic school.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe that's part of the problem is that it's
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  Speaker 6: a Catholic university and an institution. Again, not by my admission,
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  Speaker 6: by yours. You're the person who brought this into the discourse.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, Sagar?
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  Speaker 1: I think people, it's again, this conflation of Zionism and Jewishness.
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  Speaker 1: I think being a Zionist is very unpopular among young people. Very,
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  Speaker 1: very unpopular. And for good reason. Because at this point,
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  Speaker 1: You look at this and you're, oh, so you support
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  Speaker 1: a genocide. So you're cool with the mass slaughter of
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: children and women and innocent men and civilians and totally
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  Speaker 1: destroying Gaza and turning it to rubble. Yes, I think
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  Speaker 1: actually you should be ashamed of that identity, not your Jewishness,
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  Speaker 1: your support for those atrocities. So to the extent, so
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  Speaker 1: I think what is likely going on here is a
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  Speaker 1: conflation of that political view and support for genocide and
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  Speaker 1: with a Jewish identity when those things should and obviously
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  Speaker 1: are completely separate.
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  Speaker 6: That is such a good point that I hadn't put together.
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  Speaker 6: Now it actually is starting to click. It's like you
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  Speaker 6: have the Israel flag up in your dorm room or
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  Speaker 6: something and you're posting on Instagram like, yeah, well, you know.
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  Speaker 4: That cuts both ways in terms of politics.
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  Speaker 6: So, yeah, maybe you do have to, quote, hide that
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  Speaker 6: if that's part of what you call your Jewishness. I
• 4:37
  Speaker 6: am fascinated actually more by this Trump voter panel. that
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  Speaker 6: focus group that ran on MSNBC. Obviously, it's just a
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  Speaker 6: focus group. It was on MSNBC. But it is nonetheless interesting.
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  Speaker 6: They are verified voters who voted for Donald Trump. And
• 4:51
  Speaker 6: here's what they had to say about the Michigan election.
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  Speaker 5: Show of hands, who has decided who they're going to
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  Speaker 5: vote for in the Senate race?
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  Speaker 2: How many of you are going to vote for Mike Rogers?
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  Speaker 3: So how many of you are going to vote for
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  Speaker 3: Abdul El-Sayed?
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  Speaker 1: And how firm do you think you are in your
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  Speaker 1: choice to stick to that?
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  Speaker 4: I'm about 90 percent. If I don't vote for him,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not voting.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That's how I would be, too. I wouldn't vote for
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  Speaker 5: Mike Rogers.
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  Speaker 6: Turns out that Tucker was speaking for more people than
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  Speaker 6: they thought whenever he told me he wouldn't vote for
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  Speaker 6: Mike Rogers at gunpoint. Doesn't seem to be a little
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  Speaker 6: bit of a populist message is coming out.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't just this focus group. There's some polling that
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  Speaker 1: backs up that Abdul is doing disproportionately well with Trump voters,
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  Speaker 1: better than sort of the more standard mainstream Democrats are. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he may be losing some potentially with with
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  Speaker 1: previous Jewish Democrats, but he seems to have more crossover appeal.
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  Speaker 1: And it does make a sort of like vibes based sense.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you really thought Trump was going to
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  Speaker 1: be the guy to focus on prices and focus on
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  Speaker 1: not getting into wars, well, who's carrying that message this time?
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  Speaker 1: It's Abdul. And if you like Trump just because of
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  Speaker 1: the sense that he was kind of like a renegade
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  Speaker 1: outside of the system, well, Abdul much more captures that
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  Speaker 1: than certainly Mike Rogers does, who is like the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: creature of the system and has been for literally decades
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  Speaker 1: and also supported the Iran war that he's now trying
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  Speaker 1: to run away from for literally decades. So there is
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  Speaker 1: a sort of At the same time, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: something really strange going on because we're seeing on these
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  Speaker 1: polls of Kansas and Iowa and Ohio and Texas, these
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: red states that are fleeing Republicans and where Democrats are
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  Speaker 1: way outperforming what, you know, what they did last time
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  Speaker 1: around and doing way, way better than Kamala Harris was
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  Speaker 1: able to by double digits in some of these states.
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  Speaker 1: And yet then you see a Michigan and a Maine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, states that you would think if it's a
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: landslide year for Democrats, they should be running away with it.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: And they're not running away with it. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it could be a polling miss. It could be different demographics.
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  Speaker 1: One thing Nate Cohn is pointing to is a bunch
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: of those red states, including Alaska, also that I just
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: name checked. Those are all places that voted against Trump
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  Speaker 1: in the 2016 primary. So they're the kind of places
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  Speaker 1: that have more of that sort of like standard issue,
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: traditional Bush conservative type of Republican. So maybe there's some
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  Speaker 1: hangover from that. But I don't know. I'm not quite
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: sure what to make of it at this point. And
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make too much of it at
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  Speaker 1: this point either because we're just talking about polls and
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  Speaker 1: not actual election results.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's an important point.
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  Speaker 6: And one thing, though, is that with the expectation, let's say,
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  Speaker 6: let's calling it tight in Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: What's the RCP average in Michigan? It's like four or five.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we remember Democrats always winning Michigan, but it's
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  Speaker 6: not like they were blowing. It wasn't like a Texas
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  Speaker 6: level blowout. 2012, Obama won it 54 to 44. I
• 8:05
  Speaker 6: need to look at the 2008. I'm pretty sure. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: that was going to be a little bit more of
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  Speaker 6: a blowout. So that where he won it 57 to 40.
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  Speaker 6: So it actually did shrink by some seven points just
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  Speaker 6: in that four-year period.
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  Speaker 4: Makes sense considering what happened with the economy.
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  Speaker 6: And then that's what shifted to the literal tie, effectively,
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  Speaker 6: that happened in 2016 and then similar in 2024.
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of disagree a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like if Abdul held to where he's currently
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  Speaker 6: polling is and won by five or six, that is
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  Speaker 6: a statement. I mean, what, Slotkin barely wins the state
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  Speaker 6: by 0.1 or something like that. So it is an overperformance.
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  Speaker 6: relative to where things are. Partisanship is still locked in.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I just don't really think politics anymore. These blowouts,
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  Speaker 6: especially in a remotely competitive state, I just don't see
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  Speaker 6: like that's going to happen. These 8, 10 points or
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  Speaker 6: margins with demographic shifts and dynamism in terms of how
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  Speaker 6: your economy shifts in certain directions on top of how
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  Speaker 6: different votes themselves swing around, that just seems to be
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  Speaker 6: the general likelihood of where things are. So Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 6: just looking at Abdul. I'm like, I feel like he's
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  Speaker 6: running a race where it's kind of his to lose
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  Speaker 6: basically at this point. And Mike Rogers is behaving that way.
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  Speaker 6: He is behaving as the loser in this race.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: he'll prevail. It's just interesting to me that the swing
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: in like a state like Kansas is 14 points, according
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  Speaker 1: to the polling. And in Michigan, it's a few points.
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  Speaker 1: So part of what could be going on there is
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  Speaker 1: also different economic situations because Kansas, Iowa, these are states
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  Speaker 1: that have been really hard hit by both the tariffs
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  Speaker 1: and the Iran war. You look at Alaska, the gas
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: prices in Alaska are utterly insane. Although I also feel
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: like Michigan and Maine are two states that have been
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: hit hard economically as well. Heating oil in Maine has
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  Speaker 1: skyrocketed like hundreds of percent from what it was last year.
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  Speaker 1: Tariffs impact Maine and Michigan because they're close to Canada
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: in the trade war with Canada more than other states.
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  Speaker 1: The auto industry has been hurt by the trade war
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  Speaker 1: launched by Trump. So there could be, like I said,
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: it could be different demographic groups. Like in Texas, Because
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: Latinos have fled Trump so aggressively, that could be part
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: of what's going on there. In any case, we'll see
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: how this all shakes out ultimately before we go too
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: far down this road since these are theoretical results. And
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: there could be a big polling miss in some of
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: these red states. That could be the actual explanation of
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: what's going on here is that there are some indications
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: they're having trouble talking to rural Republicans. And so in
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: states where you have a lot of rural Republicans, that
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: could be creating a significant polling miss. In any case,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: we had another report of C4 up on the screen
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  Speaker 1: alleging that Abdul Al-Sayed is, first of all, says he's
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: certain he's going to win the Michigan Senate race. So
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: he's feeling confident. And I think with some justification, although
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: you never want to count your chickens before it's hatched.
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  Speaker 1: But the nugget in here that got the most attention
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: is he reportedly called Hassan Piker and warned him his
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: rhetoric was costing Al-Sayed votes, asking him to stop According
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: to two people else I had told about the conversation,
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker did not respond to a request for comment.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: No idea if this is true, but it's true.
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  Speaker 4: Crystal, neither. It's true.
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  Speaker 1: No, I can see it. I could see him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: being like, you know what? This is really not helpful.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I don't I rather not to have to answer five
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  Speaker 1: more news cycles of do you condemn X and Y
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: and Z that Hassan Piker said?
• 11:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I am completely actually on Hassan Piker side on
• 11:41
  Speaker 6: this one. And I guess they can clip that. And
• 11:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, I did press Hassan about this. I said, look,
• 11:46
  Speaker 6: do you want to be a campaign operative or do
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  Speaker 6: you want to be a streamer?
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: And that's fine. I think he is a streamer.
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  Speaker 6: And that's basically what he confirmed to me. And so
• 11:55
  Speaker 6: to Abdul, I think this is actually you want to
• 11:58
  Speaker 6: have your cake and you want to eat it, too,
• 12:01
  Speaker 6: is as by his own admission. I went around with
• 12:03
  Speaker 6: Hassan Piker because I want access to his audience and
• 12:05
  Speaker 6: I want a bunch of young people to fundraise and
• 12:07
  Speaker 6: to vote for me.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. by doing that.
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  Speaker 6: But then you're just going to have to eat the
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  Speaker 6: news cycle, even if it's super annoying. You don't get
• 12:15
  Speaker 6: to call someone and say, hey, you need to cut
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  Speaker 6: it out because you're costing me votes.
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  Speaker 4: That cake was baked when you did the campaign.
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  Speaker 6: You could it's fine to even distance yourself from Hassan,
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  Speaker 6: which he did, I think, twice on the campaign trail
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  Speaker 6: ahead of what So honestly, I think it's a kind
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  Speaker 6: of a bitch move by Abdul El-Sayed. And if Hassan
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  Speaker 6: does it, then he's basically acting as a complete like
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  Speaker 6: lackey of Abdul El-Sayed. So this is what happens. Like
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  Speaker 6: if you want to campaign with a streamer, then I'm
• 12:50
  Speaker 6: not going to say you're responsible necessarily for what they said,
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  Speaker 6: but this is a natural endpoint for this type of, uh,
• 12:57
  Speaker 6: discourse for all to play out. And I think it's
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  Speaker 6: actually completely inappropriate on the campaign's side to say, I
• 13:04
  Speaker 6: get to control what you say.
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  Speaker 4: You need to cut it out. You're going to cost
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: me votes.
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  Speaker 6: He could say that publicly and Hassan can choose to
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  Speaker 6: do what he wants, but to communicate it behind like this,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, kind of frankly ridiculous on his part
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  Speaker 6: to say that he has some sort of level of control.
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  Speaker 6: If I got a call like that from a candidate,
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  Speaker 6: I would say, go fuck yourself, no matter, because it's
• 13:22
  Speaker 6: like the implication that you're going to tell me what
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  Speaker 6: to say because of how it's supposedly affecting you, I
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  Speaker 6: think is preposterous. It's like, if you got invited and
• 13:30
  Speaker 6: you accept an invitation, then that's invitation on its face,
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: which Abdul, again, knew what he was doing and wrote
• 13:37
  Speaker 6: it well for the Democratic primary. It's like, sorry, man,
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  Speaker 6: then either you shouldn't have done it or you can
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: distance yourself from it publicly.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: That's my personal opinion. I'm curious what you think.
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  Speaker 1: Well, of course, we know Canada's do this sort of
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  Speaker 1: thing all the time, like, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And trying to like good.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to control like what the interview questions are going
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: to be and all these sorts of things. So I
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: think Abdul is within his rights to say, hey, this
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: isn't helping me. And Hassan is within his rights to say, hey, brother,
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: I just think, you know, you asked for my help.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Here I am. You can't now get to control the
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: way that I present myself and articulate my views.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, dude, he went to the campaign event. You,
• 14:13
  Speaker 6: by your own admission, it helped. And now you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 14:16
  Speaker 6: I'm like, well, what do you want me to do?
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: I'm like, it's your problem.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: Not necessarily.
• 14:20
  Speaker 6: So I think it's, yeah, I really think ridiculous move.
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: And yes, as you said, it's people do it all
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: the time. Apparently Fox News, Trump lit up Fox News executives.
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: There's a story this morning for their interview. being like,
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: why did you do this? And why is Jesse Waters
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: out here praising Abdul's side? So I'm not going to
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: say this stuff doesn't happen. And in fact, that's part
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: of the problem with cable news media. I would assume
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: that's why people enjoy independent media is because they're not
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: usually susceptible to phone calls like this. So anyway, that's
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: just my personal.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Most of independent media is the vast majority of independent
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: media is, you know, taking meetings with Netanyahu and whatever,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: but we'll put that conversation aside for another day. But
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: There's another interesting development here, which is that Obama is
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: going to come to Michigan and campaign alongside Abdul. We
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: could put C5 up on the screen. This is, you know,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: this is pretty significant because we know that Abdul did
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: not do well with black voters in Michigan during the primary.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: It was a source of weakness for him. They voted
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: more for Haley Stevens. Obama continues to be the most popular,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: actually the most popular politician in the country across the board.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: But among Democrats, he continues to be a revered figure
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: and especially among black Democrats. So I think this is
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I think this is a big deal for him because
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: it does seem to it does seem that there is
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: still some reticence. You need black voters not only to
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: vote for you, but to be excited, enthusiastic, come out
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to vote for you. And I'm not in no means
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: trying to paint the group as a monolith either. But
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: MSNBC did do a focus group, talked to some black
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: voters in the state who felt they were being taken
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: for granted. So it does seem like Abdul does have
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: some work still to do there. Let's go and take
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: a listen to that.
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  Speaker 5: There's some missed opportunities for him to help us know
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: who he is, help us understand him.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: We don't know him.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he's taking advantage.
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  Speaker 4: We, as black people, are democratic. And he thinks we're
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: going to.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: Vote for him anyway.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, sir, I'd like to put uncommitted
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: down on that little circle and move on.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: If you're going to Congress to represent me, I need
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: you to talk about what's going on in this community.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: So I think the hope is there that Obama will
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: help to, you know, energize a constituency that's very important
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and very important in Michigan, where there's a specific, you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: fairly large black demographic, especially in the city of Detroit.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Certainly.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: I just look for me this I'm uncommitted rhetoric. Do
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: I see the whole near Tandon Brigade and other people
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: coming out who are going to say you're going to
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: cost them the election?
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: You're going to do this and that. There's no criticism.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: It's just it drives me insane because this is the
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: same type of identitarianism. Politics, bullshit. It's like, what does
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: that even mean to say he doesn't speak, you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: with us or any of that? I don't look again.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: My personal opinion, I think it's crazy. It's basically accusing
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: him of not. What is it?
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: Because he didn't take some certain meeting, which was some report.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: I believe that was we don't have that element. But
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: Ryan had been talking about it. There was some leader
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: in the community who alleged that Abdul El-Sayed had not,
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: you know, met with them. I do wonder how much
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: of this is the fact that he's not part of
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: the Michigan establishment Democratic Party, which I'm assuming is largely
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: tied into much of the traditional Democratic black establishment.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: In the city of Detroit.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: And some of this could be hangover from the Haley
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Stevens kind of bitter primary election that happened. I guess
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: that would be entirely natural. I don't know if we
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: picked out that element. The Obama story is actually very
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: funny because Abdul himself had did an entire profile and
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: story saying, don't call me the next Obama, and had
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: himself said that Obama's presidency didn't change anything, and that.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: He wasn't a particularly good president.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: But hey, bygones be bygones whenever you need votes and
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: you're appearing before this very popular, or you need Obama
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: to come in and do something for you.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: I guess you could see it two ways.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: Abdul both obviously being a bit hypocritical by praising it,
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: and then also Obama having to come in and basically say, hey,
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: I'll campaign with somebody who said I wasn't even a
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: particularly good president. So that is coalitional politics, I think,
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: at its finest.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Same thing I would say about Kamala Harris coming
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to campaign with him. There was like a whole thing
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: about this on the left, which in a sense I understand.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, like, do you want him to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: win or not? You know, and it's not like he
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: changed any of his views. in order to have Kamala
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Harris come or have Obama come. He's still pushing the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: exact same agenda that he has been pushing. He is
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: still just as outspoken on Israel-Palestine. So if you have
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: people coming to you, I don't know why, and people
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: have a lot of sway with important demographics in the state.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you would turn that down if
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you're interested in actually having power and winning, which is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: something that some factions of the left do not seem
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to be particularly interested in. Let me go ahead and
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: put C4B up on the screen here. I think this
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: just shows Trump very concerned about this race trying to
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: weigh in. We already talked about how they're sending the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: anti-Semitism task force first stop into Michigan. Here he has this,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, screed on true social calling Abdul Mohammed El-Sayed
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: saying he's a terrible candidate. His opponent is Mike Rogers is, quote,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: an extremely good one. Mohammed, again, Abdul, goes back to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the days of the jihad.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: What?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: He is a radical extremist terrorist sympathizer and no different
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: from his best friend, America-hating Hassan Piker. How's France doing?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: This is so disconnected. Muhammad's values are not exactly those
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: of Michiganders or those of our great United States of America.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: He is wrong for Michigan, wrong for America. Vote for
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers. He has my complete and total endorsement. will
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: never let you down, Mr. Mike Rogers, neocon himself. I
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: thought those taxpayer ads I helped pay for said that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Trump was going to vanquish the pro-war deep state from D.C.,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but here he is welcoming them in with open arms. And,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of course, the primary attack here on Abdul is just
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: basically Islamophobia. Like, that's pretty much what this comes down to,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: calling him a muhammad, saying he goes back to the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: days of jihad, that he's a terrorist sympathizer, all this
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: kind of bullshit. That's apparently the best they can do here.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: It's not working.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: Here's Mike Rogers, as I said earlier, who is acting
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: like he's losing, having to break from Trump multiple times now.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Here he is on Canada and how the tariffs need
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: to end. Let's take a listen.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: Drinking a Labatt and watching the Red Wings, man, it
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: just doesn't get any more Michigan than that. And here
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: in Michigan, we know that Canada is not our enemy.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: We need to end this tariff war now. As Michigan Senator,
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: I'll bring both parties together to lower your prices. That's
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: job number one. And Abdul, he wants to hit Michigan
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: families with a $ 3, 000 tax increase, the biggest in history.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: I'm Mike Rogers, and I approve this message because I'll
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: actually put dollars back in your pocket.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: Doesn't get any more Michigan than that, Mike Rogers says.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Most importantly, though, obviously. Yeah, Florida. Does he actually, so
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: what is it? He owns houses in Florida? Is that
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: the story?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: He moved to Florida after he lost, the last time
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he moved to Florida, and now he's, I guess, theoretically
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: lives back in Michigan. But yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, I can't blame the guy weather-wise, but if
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: you want to be the senator for Michigan, I.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Could certainly do that. It's just very, very, very funny.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: But big story, obviously, Mike Rogers displaying the same behavior
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: on the Iran war and Canada as some of those
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: other Republicans and some of these battleground states, Iowa as well,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: who are having to directly break from the president.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: And Trump always gets asked about it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: So Mike Rogers, Ken Paxton, Ashley Henson, all of these
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: other candidates having to break pretty significantly from Trump on
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: these issues, either privately or publicly. The ad, which has
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: real money behind it, It's not a surprise. It shows
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: that Roger sees this as a real problem. Otherwise, he
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: wouldn't take the hit of having to do these reputational
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: problems with Trump himself, who is not happy about it
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: and was asked about it yesterday in the Oval Office.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: And he's like, I don't even know what Mike is
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: talking about. Something like that to that effect.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And I think we have underestimated how important the tariffs
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and the trade war have been in some of these races, because,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing he's really talking about here. And,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: you know, K-File, who also had the Abdul about Obama clips,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: had the Mike Rogers on the trade war originally where
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: he was touting it and talking it up and saying
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: he thought it was going to be great for the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: auto industry, et cetera. And now he's saying, must end immediately.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: We've got to stop doing this. So I think in
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of these states, it's had some specific local
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: impacts that have really weighed on people. And you remember, Sagar,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: before the Iran war broke out, tariffs was the number
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: one hit on Trump. Tariffs in the ballroom. People hated
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the combination of the two. And there are new numbers
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: out that show if we didn't have the trade war,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: prices would have actually gone down. So they have significantly
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: contributed to inflation. I think people hate it, and it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: really broke their view of Trump as this genius businessman
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: who was going to be great for the economy.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Well, I think what it did is it increased inflation, obviously,
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: but it also has not been paired with anything from
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: an industrialization point of view. And so at this point
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: in Michigan, it's been, what, 18 months? something like that,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: since Trump became president. So you would assume you would
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: see factory coming up, or if you work at one
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: of these places, if you're UAW or something, that you
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: could be able to announce some sort of job increase.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: And instead, you haven't had that, and you've had across
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: the board price inflation, and you've had the diesel price.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: So it just makes sense. These are the two things
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: that are going to drag Mike Rogers down. Yeah, I
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: I'm curious about the dynamics of the race, and especially
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: when some of the numbers come through We talked about
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: black voters Obama obviously needed. That was one big weak
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: spot for Abdul on primary night. I guess some of
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: the focus group voters are not wrong that part of
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: the assumption there was that they are going to eventually
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: come home to the Democratic Party on election night. If
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: they don't, that would actually cost Abdul big time. Perhaps
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: he could make it up with some of these other
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: more swing voters or independent voters. I'm interested to see
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: how it all comes out, whether it'll be a razor
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: thin or five, six points. There's a big difference between
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: those two, regardless if a win is a win just
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: in terms of the electoral dynamics for 2028. God, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: can't believe I'm already saying that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: 2028. Oh, it's coming.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's day after election day, midterms, it's on.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: It starts. Let's get to elections.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So alongside all the polls and horse race analysis, also
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to keep our eye on any sort of weird
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: shenanigans that Trump may pull in advance of or after
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: these midterm elections, having been through some.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Of these things before.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: He made a comment recently at one of his rallies
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that was a little eyebrow raising in that regard, where
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: he says he has some big surprises coming up with
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: regard to Russ votes specifically. He was the author or
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the I guess the guy who sort of led the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: writing of Project 2025. He's the OMB director, someone who's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: very he's kind of the architect of Trump 2.0 in
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of really significant ways. Let's go and take
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: a listen to what Trump has said here.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: Director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russ Vogt,
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: who is fantastic. He's done a job. We have some
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: big surprises coming up in another episode.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Few weeks, right, Russ?
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: He's going to be one of the very important people
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: in the history of our country, in my opinion.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: He's got some great things happening. Big surprises. Going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: be one of the most important people in the history
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of the country. I don't know. You never want to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: know with Trump. He could just be like bullshitting. It
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: could be some like new, you know, Trump merch that
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: he's going to be marketing to the public or a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: new app that's going to spy on all of us
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: or something like that. But given who Russ Vogt is
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and just the framing of that in the next couple
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of weeks, which is exactly when the election was, people
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: were kind of like, hmm, not sure about that one.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not really sure either.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: You will note that he does say something like this
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: basically every single day, including about the most mundane members
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: of his administration. If you are as unlucky as I
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: am and you occasionally have to watch these Oval Office meetings,
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: he'll pull up some idiot like Dr. Oz and be like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: one of the most important people in our administration has
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: got a big announcement today.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: That is coming up. So yeah, I don't know.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: I did see a lot of people pick it up
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: as a potential some election thing. Although OMB does not
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: have any authority over like, I mean, it's the budgeting agency, obviously.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: What they are able to do is, I mean, I
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: guess they can divert funding. It's possible also he was
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: talking about some of these midterm ads because Russ is
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: kind of one of those magicians behind the scenes. He's
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: gonna say, oh, we can use this money to do this,
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: you know, for X, Y, and Z. That's basically all
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: I've got from any of this.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: So let's go and put the next piece up on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the screen. This is some other unsettling news that, again,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, not sure what this means, but don't think
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that I like it. Trump administration is being sued over
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: plans to send election monitors to voting sites. The NAACP
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: has filed a lawsuit after the head of DOJ's civil
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: rights division says she hopes to send election monitors to polls.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So they have this whole plan to send what they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: describe as a historic number of election monitors to polling
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: stations during next month's midterm elections. There's a concern here
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that people could be potentially intimidated. I think that's the idea.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: There's been floated before a concept of a national emergency
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: could be declared. I'm talking about this is coming not
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: from lefties, but from some of Trump's allies, that a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: national emergency could be declared and you could have National
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Guard at the polling places or ICE agents at the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: polling places. So there's a suit being filed. right now
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: over these election monitors. Let's go ahead and put D3
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: up on the screen that kind of goes along with it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: At the same time, they're rejecting international election monitors for
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the first time in over two decades. The Trump administration
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: declined to invite election observers from the Organization for Security
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and Cooperation in Europe to witness the midterms, meaning observers
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: from the regional security group won't be at U.S. election
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: for the first time in more than two decades. Their
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: absence comes as Democrats and election integrity experts have raised
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: concerns about potential election meddling after the Department of Justice
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: announced plans to send their own monitors. So again, if
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: this was anything approaching a normal administration, to be honest
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: with you, I didn't even know that election observers from
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Europe came to witness our elections.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Did you know that? I'm like sort of just learning that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, I literally did not have
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: a clue. And so that's why I was like, oh, huh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: I was like, didn't even know that that was a
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: thing that we even do. To be honest, I have,
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: every time I've gone to vote, I have never seen
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: an election monitor. And I don't really understand what they
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: do at all to the extent that I do and
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: am familiar with election monitoring or challenge systems. And all
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: of that is from Florida, the 2000 hanging Chad, Brooks
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Brothers riot situation. And then the book Means of ascent,
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: but that was about a democratic primary. So that is
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: basically all I know about election monitors. I had basically,
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: I didn't even really know that people from Europe even
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: came here and stood and looked or that we did
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: the same thing.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: But what we do know is they've staffed the election
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: divisions within the administration with a bunch of stop the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: steal cranks. Trump seems to know the midterms are not
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: going to go well with him. For him, we know
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that last time he lost an election in 2020, obviously
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: he tried to steal the election and there was the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: whole shambolic fake elector slates and then January 6th insurrection
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: attack on the Capitol. And so he certainly is not
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: one to just accept results that he thinks is bad
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: for him. Now, what you might say on the other
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: side is, OK, but this is not him on the ballot.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: This is midterm elections. And maybe he doesn't really care
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that much whether Republicans are in charge. I don't think
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that that analysis is correct. I believe that he is
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: concerned he could actually lose some control of the Republican
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: caucus and would be humiliated if he loses states like Texas,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: if he loses states like Alaska, like Kansas, places that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: are supposed to be deep red. And now Democrats are
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: threatening to outright emerge victorious. So you have the possibility
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of some actual breakage in the Republican Party as they
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: look beyond Trump if there is this massive electoral reckoning.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You also have, of course, the prospect of tons of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: investigations into the corrupt and potentially criminal behavior of the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Trump family and close associates throughout the administration and people
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: who are even outside of the administration. and this general
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: concern about what the legacy will look like if he
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: faces this absolute shellacking. So I think he does probably
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: care deeply about these midterms. And he's certainly acting, even
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: though he rhetorically will pretend like he doesn't care, he's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: certainly acting like he does care. Let's go ahead and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: put D4 up on the screen. We also have these details, again,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: speaking to some of the concerns that people have about
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: ICE and the potential involvement of ICE, which of course
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: has this massive budget. And they recruited a bunch of
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: new ICE agents using that funding who have been vetted
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: effectively for loyalty to the president, his agenda. We now
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: are learning that they that agency has reviewed tens of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: millions of voter records looking for non-citizen voters. This is
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: part and parcel with Trump's plan that was announced in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: that executive order. to force states to send in their
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: voter rolls so that they could have some say over
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: who got to vote and who didn't. So we're now
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: learning specifically that it was ICE that's gone through tens
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of millions of these voter records. So this is all concerning.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And then the other piece that's concerning that we talked
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to Professor Pape about is Sagar, he's not so much
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: worried about what happens on election day, he's worried about
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: what happens after. And this makes sense because this was
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the Trump playbook last time around, right? Leading up to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the elections, there was some, you know, moderate, like, like
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: here we had the redistricting and we've had these voter
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: rolls things and, you know, that sort of behavior. But
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the problem really came after election day when he just
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: refused to accept the results. And I think there is
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: very much a possibility that we face something similar again,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the midterms version of that, where he just refuses to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: accept the results, perhaps declare some sort of a national emergency,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: uses this information he's gathering from the voter rolls to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: claim that there were millions of undocumented immigrants who voted
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: in the elections or something of that nature. That could
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: be very much what we're building towards.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: It's possible.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: You know, I do wonder, though, there has been limited
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: amounts of pushback. So have you seen, for example, Let's
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: think about a couple of things. Remember the weaponization fund?
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: That was immediately struck down because people in the Senate,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: et cetera, were like, no, we're not going to do that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: These taxpayer-funded ads, I don't know if you saw our
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: show yesterday, the ones that were on the NFL, he's like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: I'm going to pay for them now via my PAC.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: These are all the behavior of someone who is worried
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: about congressional investigation, impeachment, and potential prosecution that all broke
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: both from within the Republican caucus and but also were
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: of a unified Democratic caucus. So one of the reasons
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: why January 6th was able to even be a thing
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: in the first place was because of the razor thin
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: margin of the loss in 2020. Like we're talking about
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: 100,000 votes in three different states. If you were to
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: try to pull that in a literal blowout, I don't know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: I'm curious for what you think. Don't you think it
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: would just be dramatically different? Like one of the only
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: reasons why you could have contested that was because you
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: could argue about some marginal, whatever, Fulton County for some,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: I forget the margin in Georgia, it was very, very small,
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: that Biden wins it in 2020. Well, it's gonna be
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: pretty different if you have the same thing happen, where
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: you have, you know, Abdul by seven, Tallarico by three, four,
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: like when we're talking about millions of votes, not tens
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: of thousands, we're not talking about Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. We
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: are talking about like 10 different states and Trump himself
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: is not there on the ballot and what he went
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: 61 for 61 in the court ultimately.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: That's just the way I'm looking at it. If they
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: were to follow the Jan six playbook, it would seem
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: to me that it would almost certainly invite even more
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: of what you're talking about, breakage, et cetera. And I mean,
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's going to accept the results of
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: the election officially. I never would say that. Yeah. especially
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: what's happened after 2020. I think he'll bitch and moan
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: about alleged fraud, etc. And then January 20th or whatever
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: inauguration day will come and all of those Democrats will
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: be seated in the Senate.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: But you're not wrong.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: We can look at this and be like, I mean,
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: he literally tried to do it before and he's got
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: some of the same cranks who are working for him
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: in the government.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: So I really don't know.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: I actually think that the biggest danger for a lot
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: of them was people don't appreciate how much, especially casual observers,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: which is what I mean, If you've ever met a
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: real stop the stealer, they're not the brightest bulbs. They
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: are able to be convinced of a lot of stuff.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: So I'll remind you, remember how the Republicans redistricted many
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: of those districts across the country. I was looking at
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: data yesterday that they're only currently a projected lock in
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: like five out of 20 of them. And nine of them,
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: they have had to spend $ 100 million to make them competitive.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Let's say they go 15 and 20. You and I
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: would look at that and go, yeah, we warned you
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: about this at the time. We were like, hey, you're
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: making a plus 10 district into our plus five. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: in a wave year, you're going to lose. But a
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: low IQ person would look at that and be like, wait,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: obviously it's rigged because it was supposed to be, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: redistricted for the Republicans.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: So these I'm working through this.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: That's my of the way. Yeah, that's see, that's my
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: concern is. So last time. The model was it was
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: so close that they were able to call into question, oh,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: something weird happened in Detroit. Oh, something weird happened in
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Fulton County. Oh, what happened in Phoenix and Arizona? This time,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the argument could could be if it is that level
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of Democratic blowout where they're winning Iowa and Kansas or whatever,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the argument could be, oh, you really think Democrats won Kansas?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Are you stupid?
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: You think they won Texas? They never win Texas. They
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: always think they're going to win Texas. The results must
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: be rigged because there's no way the Democrats could win
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: in all of these states. So, you know, he has
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a number of scripts that he could work with here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'm less, I guess I'm less comforted by that line
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of argumentation. What I'm more comforted by is that last
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: time when Trump was, you know, when Trump lost in 2020,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: He still had his core base of supporters completely locked in,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and they loved him, and they thought that he was
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the second coming, truly. The cult was in full swing.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: They were all about it. They believe every word that
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: he said. They felt it was existential that he be
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: president for another four years, etc., Now, you still have
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: some of those. It's not nearly as many. Now, the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Republican base still overwhelmingly, if you ask them, they still
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly support him. No doubt about it. But the number
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: who say that they strongly approve of him has gone
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: down a lot. The number that says that they are
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: primarily Republicans and not Trump supporters, that has flipped. It
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: used to be that the vast majority of Republicans who
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: voted for Trump, they saw themselves as Trump supporters first,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Republicans second. That has flipped. Even in a completely authoritarian country,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: which ours is not, you still have to deal with
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the will of the people at some level. And Trump,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: because he is so deeply unpopular, I don't know that
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he can move people this time the way that he
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: did last time, where truly most Republicans thought it was
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: rigged and bought the bullshit. They genuinely did. They still do,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: by the way, the vast majority of them. Now, I think,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, there's the bloom is off the rose. There's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: enough dissatisfaction that Republicans themselves feel that they could look
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: at these results and be like, you know what? He
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: probably did lose because this is not going great. So
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that's the thing that I'm hopeful about. But but even
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: in that situation, he could still cause a lot of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: chaos and tumult and, you know, a lot of problems
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in the country, even if ultimately people do not accept
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: his nonsense.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: No question.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I will say, we talked about it also at the time,
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: people know I'm a frequent critic of Black Lives Matter.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: I think it was a lot of it was like
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: socially induced psychosis. I mean, January 6th falls in the
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: same bucket. And if I talk back and think back
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: to the literal insanity of lockdown and the social problems
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: and lack of institutional trust that were in the air
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: at the.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Time, it is a very different moment, right?
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: In American society, where people are not poised to literally
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: want to come to the streets and do something crazy. Like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: I think they're literally like kind of two sides of
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: the same coin. And I would look at it very differently, where,
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: as you just said, people, the bloomers off the rose,
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: the lack of complete buy-in to where he is. And
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: a lot of the societal angst has, I mean, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: crime and murder is dramatically down from where it was
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: in 2020.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of reasons for that.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: Nobody really fully understands it. Social tension, I would say,
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: is not even close, you know, to where things were
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: at that time. So there are a lot of structural
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: reasons for why I don't think we'll necessarily go back
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: to where we were at that time period, both at
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: the Republican level, but also just like a general societal
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: one for if you think back to January of 2021,
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: we're like right around the time period that I believe
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: that's like right after the Pfizer vaccine hit.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: Gets approved.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of all bubbling, you know, institutional distrust
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: already with lockdowns, et cetera. We're a few months only
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: from the riots and social tension. So it's just, it's
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: just fundamentally a very different time.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: And that is true.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: All this could be Pollyannish from my perspective, but I
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: remember I was in Washington. Actually, I came to the
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: studio on the morning of January 6th. I remember being
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: recognized by some proud boys on my scooter ride And
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: I was like.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's weird.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: And so I saw many of the same people afterwards.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: For them, it was basically like a social gathering, right,
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: where everybody had been locked down and came for some
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: sort of major political MAGA rally here in Washington. I
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: just don't see the same level of enthusiasm today, even
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: at his own campaign rallies right now, let alone something
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: like that, especially at the wake of what happened.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: With January 6th.
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: Just my observation generally about what the conditions would have
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: to look like.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: For something like that.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Well, the only other thing that I'll say, and not
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: to spin out too many wild scenarios here, but the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: other thing that's different is our information ecosystem has been
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: further destabilized by the advent of very credible AI deepfakes. True.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: And so that is a new tool. And Trump freaking
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: loves his AI sloth. And he's got all of the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: tech oligarchs who are behind. Well, almost all of the
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: tech oligarchs who are adamantly behind him. So he has
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a sort of new weapon in his information warfare arsenal
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: that shouldn't be, you know, shouldn't be understated or ignored either.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: So.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: In any case, we just want to keep our eye
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: on some of these developments as we approach Election Day
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and not just cover the horse race, but also some
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of the concerns about what may go down so that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: people are prepared and understand what the, you know, the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: plans are and what we can see from, you know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that's going on behind the scenes.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Agreed. Let's get to Kimberly. Turning now to Kimberly Guilfoyle,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: you may have heard of her as Don Jr. 's ex-fiance.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: You may have heard of her as Gavin Newsom's ex-partner.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: as well, one of the few coveted roles in American politics. Currently,
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: we know her as the United States ambassador to Greece.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Let's put this up here on the screen. She has
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: now been caught in one of the most cartoonish corruption
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: scandals that I have literally ever seen that basically embroils
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: her and this rich radio host who himself had some
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: problems with the IRS. I learned far too much about
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: his own IRS problems the TLDR of it is that
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: he had sold a family business and had taken some
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: personal deductions. The IRS didn't agree. What you're all about
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: to see are multiple conversations between her and him in
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: which she requests him to wire her $ 100, 000 directly to
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: her American Express account. Let's go and put the signal
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: screenshots up here on the screen. So you can see here,
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: This message was sent July 3rd, I think, yeah, 2025,
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: where she says, you could just send it here. It
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: won't show up anywhere. If you wire money to American Express,
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: that's all that will show.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: He, to his credit, did not pay the $ 100, 000, not
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: because he was above it, but because he said that
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: it would cause a problem in his marriage if he
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: did so. Later, we learn that he had at one
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: point offered her $ 1 million to help land an interview
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: on the former Fox News host Tucker Carlson's show, and
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: she even went to the lengths to try and to
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: connect him to Tucker. Tucker at one point told the journal, quote,
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: I have never heard of this guy, and he doesn't
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: keep up with Guilfoyle, and said, direct quote, a million
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: dollars for a podcast appearance? Isn't she the ambassador to Greece?
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: This is completely nuts. Let's look at some more of
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: the statements that she put out. She tells him, Eric,
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: I really wish you would stop papering all these things.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: It's really dangerous and not helpful to you or me
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: while you could simply just call me on signal.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Let's go to the next one.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: It is unbelievable when we have a private arrangement with
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: you that you would now see a producer talking about money.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: That's because this guy had the gall to tell her
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: podcast producer, about their private arrangement. Let's go to the
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: next one. Here what we have, my personal favorite. What
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: a nightmare. You'll literally cost me my ambassadorship. Stop writing.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: He also, clearly, by the way, this guy is the
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: source of all of these leaks, not because he's upset
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: about the corruption, but because he didn't get what he
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: paid for, which is what he actually put in writing, saying,
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: what did he say? He said, I'm not a schmuck,
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: I think, directly after he said, I have paid you
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: $ 300, 000 over the years. As of this memo, I have
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: not received one favor. I am not naive or a sucker.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: I need results. My personal most corrupt behavior that happened here, Crystal,
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: was around this whole tax situation like I was talking about.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: She actually sent a congratulatory letter to Billy Long, who
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: was at one point nominated to be the IRS commissioner,
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: and had stapled the concerns of this guy who had
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: been paying her, or at least allegedly, behind the scenes
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: to the letter, and was like, this guy is a
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: good friend of me and of Don Jr., and we
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: would love to see something like that happen. I mean,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: that is clear cut. The guy's like, I've paid you
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: 300 grand, and she did go to great lengths to
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: use her influence to get the IRS commissioner to look
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: into his particular case. I mean, this is beyond insane.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: In terms of, I've paid you, stop putting this stuff
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: in writing, knowing that it's wrong. By the way, she
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: disputes the authenticity of the messages. So, okay, didn't provide
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: any details. No, I mean, it's beyond crazy. It's beyond crazy.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: This is more corrupt, open and shut. This is at
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: a point where the Department of Justice and a future
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: administration will be looking at this one.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I'll just say that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: It's also- Like so pathetic and tawdry too. I mean,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: basically what was happening here is she was up for
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: this ambassadorship, which was given to her by Trump as
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a consolation prize because, you know, her Don Jr. breaks
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: up with her and he tells his dad basically like,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you got to do something with this woman. Trump reportedly
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: said something like, you know, I got to take care
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: of Kimberly for I got to get rid of I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: got to get her out of here. It was something
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like that that he said about her. So it gives
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: her this ambassadorship that, you know, she's clearly unqualified for.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: And we'll get to the way she's also like abusing
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that office to benefit some dude for some reason.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I guess he's the one paying for her lifestyle now.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But she's got these confirmation hearings. And as part of that,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you have to do a financial disclosure. And she doesn't
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: want to be seen with this hundred thousand dollars that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: she owes to American Express. Keep in mind, I mean,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: this woman was a Fox host for years, making tons
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: of money. You know, she's married to Don Jr. and,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you know, or engaged to Don Jr. They had this
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: multimillion dollar house together. Like she's a podcast host and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: this MAGA celebrity. Where is all the money going? She
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: lives this lifestyle, I guess, that she just can't afford.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: So she's constantly talking to people about how broke she is,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: how much, how she needs money. She's starting all of
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: these humiliating ventures, like a perfume line called Flor de Maga,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a vodka line called Polished Rice for some reason, like
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: all of the med spa, all these sort of like
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: embarrassing failed ventures, none of which are working out for her.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: She's using Mar-a-Lago as a place to pitch potential investors
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: and by the way, pissing off Trump. So anyway- Coming
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: back to the confirmation hearings, she needs this $ 100, 000 in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: debt paid off, begs this dude to– she says, honey, please,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I need this. Just send it here. There will be
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: no trace of it. And then she's also getting pissed
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: at him because he keeps talking to her openly about it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: He decides not to do it. I guess somebody paid
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: the $ 100, 000 American Express bill. We still don't know where
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: that ultimately came from. But you can see just this
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: portrait of someone who is desperate, who's been given this
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: ambassadorship anyway as a favor by the Trump administration, and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: then is just immediately using whatever influence and position she
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: has to solve her own cash needs or attempt to
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: solve her own cash needs. Really fascinating. pathetic, sick, corrupt,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: desperate sort of behavior here from her. And between this
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: piece and the other piece, there were so many details.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I was just cracking up at Sagar.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Same.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: She has decorated, I think, the ambassador's residence in, like,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: black and white portraits of herself. She takes this stylist
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: with her everywhere she goes. It's all really bizarre. Very
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: bizarre person here.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Stylist should be fired, if you ask me. My personal.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: Let's take a listen to Marco Rubio, the secretary of state,
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: while he's in Greece with Kimberly Guilfoyle responding to the story.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, let me tell you something.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: You guys are going to ask me if you're going
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to ask me again in Portugal.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I know the game.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: The game is someone gives information to a newspaper or
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a media outlet.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: The media outlet reports it.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: You immediately turn to me and say, I need you
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: to respond to our reporting.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: That's not the way this process works. Like, our job
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: is not to respond every time someone decides to give
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the media something without any advance warning, without having any
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: chance to look at it and see what's in there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: That's not the way you run an organization. And that's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: not a serious way to conduct the policy of our country.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to comment on a story that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: literally posted a few hours ago.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: I get the game, okay?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I've been in this for a long time.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Actually, sir, your administration was given significant amount of chance
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: to comment. You didn't say anything and neither did the
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: White House because you both know that this is a
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: disaster and that's why you have to come up.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: With this ridiculous answer.
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: You're happy to comment on literally anything else and they
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: know it looks bad.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's not going to fire her.
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: I don't think he ultimately will in terms of Trump,
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: but boy, this is, you know, it's open and shut. Honey,
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: go ahead and wire this $ 100, 000 Also, what.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Kind of person.
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: Has $ 100, 000 in American Express credit card debt when you've
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: been making millions of dollars over at Fox?
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: What are you even doing? You know, fire the stylist.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's got, you know, she's got a boat loan
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and she's got and she's got to have the designer
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: clothes and all this sort of stuff. I mean, you
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: can very easily imagine where all the money is ultimately
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: going to. I have to feel like, you know, Trump
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: obviously doesn't care about corruption. Like, he's the most corrupt
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: man on a planet. His entire foreign policy is centered
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: around the business deals of his family and the Kushners
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and the Witkoffs, et cetera. But the dollar amount here
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: is so embarrassing. And then, The other thing, to your point,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: you know, if she had just delivered on even one
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of the things she was promising this dude, we wouldn't
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: know any of this was ultimately going on. But she's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: also really completely incompetent even at her influence peddling. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: she wasn't even able to deliver some basic favors in
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: the most favored trading administration in American history. Let's put
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the next one up on the screen. This broke previously,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: but also gives you a window into There's this raises
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions that it doesn't fully answer. But effectively,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you've got this Greek businessman who Kimberly Guilfoyle has been
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: bringing with her everywhere. He's so sort of, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: glued to her side. that a lot of the foreign
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: leaders and diplomats that she was dealing with thought he
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: was one of her aides. He's not, but she's been
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: funneling all of this business for this theoretical gas deal
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: towards this company, even though he really has no expertise
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: in the space and other companies are being locked down
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to being able to compete for the work. So of
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: course that raises the question, okay, well, what's going on here?
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Why are you favoring this one particular guy What is
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: he doing for you? What are you getting out of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: this arrangement? And when you couple it with this other
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: reporting about how she was, you know, doing this failed
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: favor trading with this other Kentucky businessman, it's not hard
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: to imagine what is going on here that he's funding
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: her lifestyle or paid off her American Express bill or whatever.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Something is going on there because otherwise, why would you
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: favor this one particular dude over every other American company
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: that could potentially bid for the work?
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's extremely bleak. But nonetheless, it is a absolutely
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: insane story. All right. I think anything else we want
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: to go through, Crystal?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I think that'll do it for today.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: All right. Great show. It's great to have you back.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: And we will see you all on Monday.