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Laura Bates Top 5 Most Hateful Manosphere Secrets! Tier List Next? | Maintaining Frame 65 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian Allison
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  and this is maintaining Frame number sixty five. Laura Bates Top five or more
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  most hateful Manisphere Secrets to your list. Next, I could explain, I
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  don't think I think the people in our chat know what that means. But
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  but but I don't. So, yeah, you're you're an Internet I don't
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  know, you're like in some isolated bubbles. So a tier list is when
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  a fan of a particular thing, whether it's a game or show or whatever,
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  with characters they like, rank the characters and there's like god, tier
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  S tier, A tier, B, tier, all the way down right,
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  and yeah, tier lists, I just made the connection. Okay,
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  So the tier lists of the manisphere is what I'm hoping to get from Laura
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  Bates. I want to know where that men's rights activists fall, like if
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  it's like at the bottom with the in cells, or if there is no
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  tier list because we're all like F tier or whatever the bottom tier is special.
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  Yeah that's okay. Yeah, but how about not appearing on this tier
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  since I don't think men's rights activists are part of the manisphere at least the
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  manisphere people or men are always like, yeah, no, not those dudes,
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  they're they're dweebs. Yeah, except that Laura Bass doesn't care, so
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  no, of course not. Of course doesn't care that they're all the We're
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  all the same to her. You know, I recently had a shoe on
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  head respond to one of our tweets on the on the account which is at
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  honey Badger Bite if you're interested in following that, and she asked me,
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  well, what do you think of the fact that the manosphere, which we
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  were really part of, whatever, which used to be defined by the issues
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  that people like you talk about, you know, men's issues like lack of
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  protection for domestic violence and rape and custody issues and all of that good chunky
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  stuff. What do you think of the fact that you manisperre used to be
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  defined by that more bite of that and has now more defined. I'm by
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  Andrew Tate, and it's like, well, I'll say, because it sounds
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  like what she is asking you to do is essentially like, you know,
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  join us and getting dog piling these men Like I don't, I honestly do
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  not care enough about Andrew Tate's message to defend him or condemn him, because
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  I haven't really looked at it enough. I said, I don't. I
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  don't think that she necessarily meant it that way. I think what she meant
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  was that we were ostracized and we were talking about men's issues, legitimate,
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  statistical men's issues like that, these things are this is a bake base bedrock
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  reality that we talk about the stuff that nobody wants to talk about. And
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  originally that this was men's issues like this was associated with the red pill.
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  Let's say, instead of the man, there's baddist pare. And I think
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  the implication, at least the implication that I took, was that feminists ignored
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  and stigmatized us and calls it exactly the same names as they call Andrew tap.
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  I mean, literally, we're just a bunch of academics, psychologists,
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  and in our case, artists who just care about the issues that men face.
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  That's it. That's it. There's there's no sinisterness to it, there's
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  no secret cabal of nothing now except that it does involve us having to fight
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  and confront feminism because well, yeah, because it's the predominant narrative. So
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  you can advocate for men with that in the way. So yeah, it's
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  it's impossible because feminism is essentially the you know, Hitchhiker's Guide, the galaxy,
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  some other that that field, somebody else's problem, so that if you're
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  doing something nefarious, you just put up the somebody else's problem field and then
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  people just walk past and ignore it. Feminism is somebody else's problem field for
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  men's issues. Yea, Like as soon as the feminists get in on this,
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  suddenly everything needs to refocus back on women because men are doing it to
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  themselves. You can't get anything done under that narrative for men, period,
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  because it's an excuse why we do not have to care likes. It's men's
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  problem. So it's not our problem, it's men's problem. It's the men's
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  problem field. And then the other thing is that feminism itself is a conjecture
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  about men's nature that is I think provably false. The idea that men would
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  construct a society for the benefit of other men at the expensive women never been
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  proven. In fact, it's been multiply disproven. It has no predictive value
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  as a scientific concept. It isn't like it literally isn't It doesn't even have
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  a replicatable ability problem because it was it's never been proven true in the first
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  place, there's never been an experiment that has shown that feminist conjecture proves or
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  predicts a phenomenon, so it has no scientific validity. Again, I'm really
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  but heard of about the fact that that there are people out there who will
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  consider feminist conjecture to be somehow scientifically valid. But then we'll go whole hoole
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  telepathy. I'm sorry, telepathy has more validity than feminist conjecture in terms of
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  a science. But regardless, So you have this situation where men are being
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  subjected to this this libel about their nature based on something that is not proven,
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  has been disproven multiple times and uh, and that itself is harmful to
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  men's sense of self worth. Like if you think that your your actions in
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  the world are to harm women or to harm others, that's really a very
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  difficult like it's a psychologically difficult thing to deal with, right, And it's
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  one of the things one of the components that men who are suicidal, that
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  that that idea of being a burden or a harm to others is a huge
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  component of why men justify killing themselves. So the fact that feminism perpetuates this
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  isn't is like it's in and of itself is a harm done to men.
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  So yes, it's even the way of getting around it. Like you can,
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  as much as you want, agree to the oh the feminist conjecture that
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  of equality, which yeah, hello Allison, Oh shit, my discord shut
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  down, guys, hold on, Allison, will be right. My discord
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  just closed on itself. This is such a shitty app sometimes. Hold on,
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  it's gonna come up in a second. Jojo is la. He's sleeping,
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  so hold on, hello, we were back. Yeah, we're back.
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  What happened? My discord just closed. It just was like yeah,
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  no, no, no, I'm just gonna close now, and then the
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  restarted. I don't know why. So anyway, the end result is that,
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  yes, we have to go after feminism. Yeah yeah, not the
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  what is it the Bailey, which is, oh, we're just about a
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  quality guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, you have to go after the mot
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  Yeah yeah, that's the thing. Like, you know, I'm back on
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  Twitter. I just want to say I'm back on Twitter. So my account
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  was not reinstated. I'm still working on getting my original account back, but
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  I made another account specifically to promote the my gaming channel, Honey Badger Arcade.
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  I usually try to do like one or two game streams a week,
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  and I talk about like men's issues while I'm gaming, and I'll try to
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  like bring it into the content that I'm you know, doing. So if
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  you guys want to hang out on Honey Badger Arcade, go to subscribe to
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  the YouTube channel. I still need to get Alison to add me to the
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  discord bots so that it comes up when I go live. But yeah,
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  and I'm also I opened a Twitter account for that very thing, and the
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  Twitter account is at Badger Arcade, so if you add me there, it'd
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  be great because I'm gonna start fights on Twitter. I'm gonna start fights.
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  I'm probably gonna get banged what I'm saying, yeah, because I'm telling you
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  because like you know, I get so I used to do it on Twitter
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  a lot, but then I was kicked off of Twitter a few years ago
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  for insulting commies and calling them what they are, and they got me banned
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  because at the time it was run by them, you know, despite the
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  fact they're underdogs and don't have any power. And then Elon mustok over and
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  I've been putting in request request requests, but I guess my Twitter is not
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  that big, but I still have a lot of fun there. So I
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  made a new Twitter just for that. But when I get my old one
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  back, I'll probably just be active on both. But my new one is
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  at Badger Arcade. Go and follow me and I'll follow you back, promise,
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  and hopefully you know see there because I'm gonna fight with Shoe because I'm
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  going to because the thing is okay. Let me let me just be clear.
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  I like June. She seems like a nice person, but I think
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  that she takes this a little too lax sometimes, like she doesn't take this
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  very seriously. So when when I hear her say to you, what do
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  you guys think about this thing that's happening completely organically, not in your control.
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  It's a there's a suggestion that you should do something or something, you
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  know, do you feel like you should do something? Are you mad?
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  Do you want to vent? Whatever? And I don't have any feeling on
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  it at all whatsoever, because you know what, if we're still, if
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  we're shitting on men, they're gonna find somebody to go to. They're gonna
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  come to us or they're gonna go to people like Tate, or they're gonna
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  go to people like Peterson or whatever. And I hope that they're gonna they're
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  gonna go wherever that somebody will take them. But I'm hoping, I you
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  know, I can only hope that they're gonna find help there. But at
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  the end of the day, I'm not gonna attack them or attack that group
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  because you know, maybe they're saying shit that you don't like. Because she
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  what are you doing for these guys? What are you doing for these guys?
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  That's what I say, like something, no, nothing, okay,
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  And then like her take on the Barbie movie is like, this is like
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  a rorshack Tennis. I have a million i Q. I know exactly what
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  this is. A this is messing with everybody. Look at that, both
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  sides up, both sides, no, bitch, No, people's relationships are
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  crumbling because of the shit, and you just want to sit there and go,
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  well, a good thing, I'm super intelligent because I might have to
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  get involved in this conversation that's way way outside of these mortals meeting. You
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  know, like she's just like the Galaxy brain meme. When it comes to
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  that, it's so frustrating. It's like, well, okay, then you're
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  super smart. Great, but you know what, normi women are walking away
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  with the actual message that the that's on the surface, which is probably the
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  actual message. So maybe you should just stop telling patting yourself on the back
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  for your massive brain and just look at reality and what's actually happening, because
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  normal people look at this ship and they're not you. So yeah, no,
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  I mean I can understand her perspective too, because honestly, when I
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  walk through the logic of that that movie, it is anti it is actually
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  anti female suffrage, and it's it's certainly surprising that so many women are loving
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  it because it is possibly the strongest argument against women having the vote period.
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  It would be again, it would be if people I know the surface message.
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  Yeah, well, the thing is that everybody's supplying a particular framework,
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  which you know, you you follow the analogy that can is a disenfranchised woman
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  up to the point where he just becomes a man again, and then and
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  then you abandon that analogy and it just becomes a confusing mess. And I
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  can actually sort of agree with her her perspective on it being like a raw
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  shark kind of thing going on, and I also agree with your perspective that,
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  you know, NORMI, women and men are going to take away probably
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  the surface level understanding. But on the other hand, on the other hand,
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  like they were always going to do that, So it's not really like
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  much has necessarily changed. But I wanted to get back to what I eventually
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  said to her because it's interesting in my opinion, because I said it,
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  I'm the only galaxy bran. No, I'm just what I said to her
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  was that, you know, I sort of predicted that Andrew Tate would rise
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  out of feminist scholarship, like you know, you read this stuff, and
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  feminist left one single vaguely pro social way of being a man, and that
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  is playboy. Okay, what a surprise that this has been. You know,
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  and and Andrew Tade isn't the first one he's won in a series.
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  I think it was Tucker something or other, not Tucker Carlson, but another
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  Tucker, and then there was a rollo. Maybe you know, there have
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  been these progressions like this, Yeah, sure, this this this line of
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  playboys, and I'm like, well, they're They're just an expression of the
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  last vaguely pro social way that men can differentiate themselves from women left to them
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  by feminism. It's not really like Ander Tate isn't groundbreaking. He isn't.
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  No, he's not even more he's not even more extreme than the other guys
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  that came before. It's just that he's the new the new guy, you
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  know, Yeah, he's the new guy. He's not really groundbreaking, he's
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  not even really he's in his you know, heat feminism gave Mente Lane,
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  Andrew Tad is in it. And then they're complaining about that because I guess
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  they don't want men to have any space at all, which is that's what
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  they want. They want men to not have any space at all. So
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  I pointed that out. I said, I predicted this, and you know,
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  the next thing is going to be worse, because when you give men
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  no space to be within their society, justifiably, they're just gonna walk away
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  and find something else. And it's not even going to be an issue where
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  they're particularly violent. They don't have to be. They just have to walk
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  away, and you know, just let the train derailments happen and the chemical
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  plant explosions and the loss of knowledge from generation to generation among these blue collar
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  jobs that are absolutely critical. We shouldn't even call them blue collar. We
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  should be calling them something like something really profound, like foundation jobs, because
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  that's what they are. They are the foundation jobs. They are what keeps
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  our society running. And you know, they just have to walk away from
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  all of that and we're screwed, you know. And no violence is required,
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  just a just a quiet quitting by men from this society. And uh
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  and so I pointed that out and that that was my opinion. So I
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  don't know what she was. Maybe maybe she had some secret ultimating. I
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  don't know either, but you're basically saying kind of what I'm saying. I'm
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  saying, like, Yo, we left men with no other options. We
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  demonize every other way that they could try to, like get involved with society.
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  And when they go to the one guy that says, come over here,
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  I'll help you out. It doesn't have to be It doesn't have to
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  be Tate, like you said, it could be Peterson because they treat Peterson
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  the same, like I know that they treat Warren Farrell the same, So
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  it doesn't really matter. Like like some people think Tate is a reactionary,
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  He's literally just doing what he do it's not reactionary. He's just doing and
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  other guys are like, that works for him. I'm going to try that
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  too. What do you have to say? And he's telling them what he
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  does, he's telling them what his approaches and men are following it. How
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  can you blame them, Like, I mean, I can't because there's nobody
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  else. I mean, how can you blame them because they're doing what feminism
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  says is masculinity? Now, yeah, like this is the frustrating thing.
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  It's like literally feminism window down, like we Warren Farrell represents a far more
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  broad masculinity, like a masculinity that's about I don't know, relationships, you
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  know, family, it's about advocacy, you know. Jordan Peterson represents a
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  masculinity that's about taking responsibility, it's about lifting the biggest weight you can,
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  it's about all these So it's as part of it. Yeah, it's like
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  you got you got these these these people, these men who are vincing.
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  And also Warren farrell is masculinity is also about vulnerability. So they have a
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  wide understanding of positive masculinity, but bit by bit they're pushed out of the
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  discourse and feminists are like Nope, you can't have those because and you're saying
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  that these positive qualities women don't have more of. Basically, you can't say
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  that masculinity has positive quality because that excludes women. So they push that out,
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  push it out, and then they're left with one definition, feminist definition
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  of how men can be vaguely pro social, even if only one percent of
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  men identify it with it, and that is Playboy. And then suddenly you
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  see all these men presenting this to other men as as like being an icon
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  of masculinity because they're literally following feminism. They're literally in the space. They're
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  like feminisms like, okay, men, you can't have that parking spot.
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  You can't have No, you can't have the west parking, you can't have
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  the east parking. You can have the south parking, can of the north
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  parking. You can have this parking spot six miles away from the front gate,
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  and it's it can only accommodate had like one of those tiny half cars.
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  That's your space, men, and then Andrew take pops up in that
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  space and the other guys are like coming over to him, and feminism run
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  has an absolute shit fis fit because apparently even though feminism has said to men,
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  Oh, you can't park in the in the north, you can't party
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  in southeast West. No, you have this one small parking spot six miles
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  from anywhere that matters, and that's where you go men, And they went
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  there, and then feminism throws a fucking shit fit because men followed what they
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  said. Yeah, but there is another thing too though. So there before
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  Tate was big in the manisphere, there was a guy named Kevin Samuel's rest
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  in peace. He passed away and he wasn't as let's say, he wasn't
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  as gregarious as Tate was. I think that. And there's lots of other
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  men talking about stuff in the manisphere space, whether they are on the Peterson
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  side or the Feral side or the Tate side. But I think that what
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  the reason why Tate's name is so is so well known, It is because
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  the media made him the face of men's issues or men's the manto sphere what
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  exactly. And they chose him because they that's a guy that you can easily
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  paint a picture. They're not even really like you know, uh, Candis
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  Owens. I didn't watch it, but my wife Lindsay, she watched this
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  candas owens at a deep dive into like all the allegations against enter Taate and
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  she apparently isn't finding anything like really you know, solid that they could like
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  pin on him. And but I think though again, he fits the he
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  fits their stereotype of misogynist man. That's why the BBC interviewer said, oh,
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  you know you you smoke cigars with a Bugatti with a side order of
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  misogyny. Because she's putting together a picture, it's not a person. She's
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  not like getting to who that is. And to some degree, take kind
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  of feeds into it because I've seen some interviews and you know, like sometimes
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  it like he's just too cringe for me, Like it's just too you know,
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  too gregarious, too boastful, and it's like tone to tone it down,
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  dude, tone it down. But yeah, he's like he's like fitting
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  the bill, right, And so I don't think that. I don't think
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  guys, I know, I don't think guys like Peterson. Kevin Samuels was
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  you know, direct, but like he was he was classy, you know,
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  and and women listen to him and stuff. Uh, And there's probably
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  lots of other guys still, but they select their clowns. Yeah, they
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  select the person and they say this is the manisphere. That's what they do.
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  That's what they do every time. So I don't even This is why
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  I don't even really think that. I think that to even talk about Taate
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  or whoever else they decide to put there in that in that like that spot.
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  It's it's a distraction because they're doing that so that people will end up
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  having to purity test each other to push this guy out. Oh you don't
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  represent us. I'm gonna make a video about this, you know, instead
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  of focusing on the enemy, which is the feminist, like, yeah,
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  I'm going to actually defend shoot because I remember the context of why this happened
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  and why I actually responded. Okay. She was saying, Okay, liberals,
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  you you express absolute hatred towards men. You you you marginalize them,
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  and then you you get like, you say things that that destroy men's you
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  know, sense of self worth I'm paraphrasing, and then you get you act
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  surprised when they go after men like Andrew Tade. So she was saying this
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  in the context of of pointing fingers at the general man hatred in the liberal
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  or progressive sphere. Yeah that's true. I mean yes, but I think
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  it's obvious too. I mean, yes, yeah, but I'm just saying
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  that I think I get it. I get it. I know that she's
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  I know she she's got the most centrism going on, and that's that's you
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  know, that's but I don't think that she's like I get Okay, let
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  me just put it this way. I appreciated the sentiment that she had originally,
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  which is why I responded so and I clarified my position. I honestly
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  I agree, like it is really annoying to me that we can't have and
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  this is this is something that she I think, Well, she said,
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  that's pick me talk, but I think she's doing it sarcastically. I said,
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  we can't have a discussion about men's like just sit down and have an
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  adult discussion about men's needs and their issues. Okay, that's what needs to
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  happen, and we can't do She said, oh, that's pick me talk,
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  And I think that was being sarcastic because I'm pretty sure she's called to
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  pick me all the time. Maybe I don't know. I don't I mean,
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  i'ven't been on Twitter slash X lately, but things have changed. I
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  know, I know, maybe we have the same fights as you. Remember,
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  I'm not going to be as nice as you. I think I'm going
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  to like be very direct with people like Shoe and Lauren Southern because that's okay.
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  You can be my last fucking nerve and I have to call them out.
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  I'm just calling them out. I'm not saying, you know, I'm
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  not trying to cancel them. I'm not gonna. I don't hate them.
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  I hope they figure it out. I mean, like, you know,
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  I gave Shyla Buff some space. I didn't I didn't bother him, and
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  now he's completely flipped, you know, on his views. Because I know,
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  sometimes people just gotta go on their own journey at their own pace,
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  and so I'm not gonna sweat it. But if if people like Shoe or
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  Laura and try to do this centrist shit, I'm gonna get in there and
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  say this is this is bullshit, because we are dealing with truly evil people,
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  truly evil people, and we have to foe. We can criticize the
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  spineless and the and the the ignorant whenever, but but I'm looking at the
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  evil people, the people who are destroying the society with their bullshit lies,
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  and they have to know that they're lying. They have to because I don't
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  think I'm a genius. I've been doing this for ten years. I know
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  what's going on. They have to know what's going on. They must know.
• 22:57
  So this is intentional or Bates absolute demonic woman just gonna put a cod
• 23:03
  damn Like if it was a man who disguised himself as an underaged girl to
• 23:07
  find out their sexual secrets, nobody would give him a damn pass. And
• 23:12
  yet Laura Bates gets that pass. And I'm glad we're back on topic.
• 23:15
  Yeah yeah, back, but logic to it. So let me first of
• 23:21
  all, I'm gonna share my turn my screen with you so you can see
• 23:23
  this. So, oh boy, I get to see Laura Bates. You
• 23:26
  see, we get to listen to her breathless erotica delivery of everything she does
• 23:32
  her Laura Bates was on a podcast called pod Save America and I had never
• 23:37
  heard of it, but it sounds cringe. And she's being interviewed by this
• 23:42
  guy about her book, Uh Women, Men who Hate Women. I think
• 23:48
  it's called so And this conversation about the manosphere was not actually that off topic
• 23:53
  because we're about to dive into Lauren Bates opinion of everything that we just talked
• 23:59
  about. Yeah, because this guy is coming at this like I don't know
• 24:02
  what the manosphere is. I've never heard before me about it. You seem
• 24:06
  like an expert that's completely unbiased. Well, yeah, before we get into
• 24:08
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• 24:15
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  So here we go. Yeah, we're talking about the segment entitled online extremism
• 26:27
  and trying to locate the top five most turgid, turgid bits of crap yeah
• 26:33
  in in this which is I know it's a bit of a misnomer. We
• 26:37
  will go through five points. However, finding the top five is sort of
• 26:41
  like finding the top five chunks. It's literally stream. Yeah, it's literally
• 26:45
  a stream of oh, absolute shit and not unfamiliar shit either, like a
• 26:49
  ship that you've smelled before. So all right, let's let's there's number one.
• 26:55
  Chronologically, we've talked a lot on the show about how the internet has
• 27:00
  helped fuel racism, anti semitism, authoritarianism, offline violence. One common thread
• 27:07
  among the people who get caught up in this online extremism is that they tend
• 27:11
  to be men. And all right, I'm just pausing it there. I
• 27:15
  don't think that's true, but of course will start with that. You even
• 27:21
  measure that well, also like it are they saying that patriarchy is getting worse.
• 27:27
  I guess it's always getting worse no matter how much feminism does. Patriarchy
• 27:33
  is always oh, we still have pay. We're just really good at hiding
• 27:36
  it. I believe that's what. That's the line, right that in that
• 27:40
  in that totally based movie. All right, yeah, so so yeah,
• 27:45
  so apparently it's just men apparently or maybe well I have a different theory about
• 27:52
  that. But let's go Well, but here's here's a question. I would
• 27:56
  consider feminism to be extremism. Again, it's something it has never been proven,
• 28:00
  and it's a condemnation of a group of people based on their biological sex.
• 28:04
  Now, Laura Bates tries to square that circle by somehow blaming men's identities.
• 28:11
  So identifying as a men rather than being a man is the problem.
• 28:17
  But it's like, that's a pretty extreme view. The idea that half the
• 28:21
  human race is why there's sin in the world is ugly. Yeah, it
• 28:27
  is, you know its root. Yeah. I was just cacting to a
• 28:33
  feminist on Twitter and I basically said that I don't believe that men have ever
• 28:37
  oppressed women, period. And she goes on and on about Oh, but
• 28:41
  the Muslims. I'm like, well, that's islamophobic. Like, I'm sorry,
• 28:44
  I don't even think muslim men hate women or oppress them. Like if
• 28:48
  again, they bring up Afghanistan, I'm like, if Afghani women became Afghani
• 28:52
  men tomorrow, they'd be dying six times the rate, So shut up about
• 28:57
  that. Yeah, I know there's lots of restriction and lost and they also
• 29:02
  put their women in very visible markers that they are women. Do you think
• 29:04
  that might be part of the reason why women survive six times more often?
• 29:08
  You know, like this is and they don't put the context in, but
• 29:12
  anyway, they insist that we live in a society. So I talked to
• 29:17
  this woman and I'm like, okay, so, so do you believe that
• 29:21
  your husband and your son would be beating and raping you every day? Because
• 29:26
  she said, oh, without feminism in the Middle East, that was just
• 29:29
  Sam's feminists. Women are beaten and raped every day by their like like every
• 29:33
  single man. I don't know. And I said, so you think that
• 29:38
  without feminism your husband and your son would be beating and raping you every day?
• 29:45
  Is that what you think? Yeah? And she can't she use no
• 29:48
  answer to that, but it's the logical conclusion. You think that it's feminism
• 29:53
  that's stopping the men in your life from being monsters. Right, Well,
• 30:00
  first of all, feminism has never been proven. And second of all,
• 30:03
  what the hell has feminism ever done except ask the male dominated society to fix
• 30:08
  things that if they say that feminists say harm women and then the men fix
• 30:11
  them. So what what is it this magical elixir that feminism is applying to
• 30:17
  make men care about women? The answer is it doesn't apply any magical elixir.
• 30:22
  It's simply relies on what it says doesn't exist. So you are telling,
• 30:29
  like, this woman is believing somehow, of course she offloads it onto
• 30:33
  the system. It's not. It's not the individual. And this is how
• 30:37
  you know it's utter bullshit, because she has to offload guilt. Pooh,
• 30:41
  It's not individual men who are responsible for oppressing women. It's the system,
• 30:45
  because you know the system has hands and will and choices. Though, that's
• 30:48
  bullshit. You are blaming individual men for oppressing quote unquote uppressing women. You
• 30:56
  are blaming You are saying your husband and your son would oppress you would turn
• 31:03
  into some kind of goddamn werewolf without feminism and you don't want to take responsibility
• 31:10
  for saying that, so you offload it onto some bullshit called the system.
• 31:14
  No, you mean men, And that's what you can you imagine living with
• 31:19
  a person who thinks that some weird, fucked up cultish belief is the only
• 31:26
  reason why you're not, you know, raping their eye socket and eating their
• 31:29
  liver like Jesus Christ. It's dehumanizing. And that's that is like the baseline
• 31:36
  that our society starts with. We start and we believe dehumanizing things about men,
• 31:41
  dehumanizing criminalizing things about men. And then the people like this turn around
• 31:47
  and say, oh, well, why are men in such an extreme because
• 31:52
  you think that any man who stops and says, hey, wait, that's
• 31:56
  not very fair. I mean, I don't think it's this, this unproven
• 32:00
  conjecture is the reason why I don't care about women. I think, I
• 32:05
  you know, men actually do just care about you jump down his throat and
• 32:08
  call him a misogynist. So men must agree to their own debasement to even
• 32:15
  be considered a valid human being. Okay, that's that's that is the status
• 32:22
  quo right now in our society. And you have the gall and the audacity
• 32:28
  to turn around and point to something online as extremism. You already extreme.
• 32:34
  You're a pair of extremists. Okay, but it's just it's just extremism that
• 32:40
  is socially acceptable, like it always is. Every single society that engaged in
• 32:47
  some horrific act of disenfranchisement thought that it was justified, just like you two
• 32:55
  do. If you were in Antebelle himself, you would be talking with a
• 33:00
  little chuckle about the peculiar institution, you know. If you were in Nazi
• 33:06
  Germany, you'd be like, yeah, the Jews are actually criminals, you
• 33:09
  know, so they sort of deserve it because they hate they hate Germany.
• 33:15
  They're extremists, that's the thing, you know, Like Nazi Germany. Well,
• 33:19
  what did they say about the Jews? That they were extremists, that
• 33:22
  they hated Germany, and that they were rapists and pedophiles. Okay, they
• 33:30
  painted them as an extremist before they engaged in extremist acts against them. That's
• 33:35
  what that's always this is. They always starts with this narrative. Okay,
• 33:39
  Okay, you even got to the points. Well, no, I but
• 33:44
  anyway, let's keep going urchin reporting it. Not only is this not an
• 33:47
  accident. It's increasingly the results of an extreme misogynistic ideology that's all just coming
• 33:55
  from nowhere and encouraging, just coming from nowhere. Yeah, yeah, it
• 34:00
  just comes out of nowhere. Who who knows how why men are doing this
• 34:05
  or whatever. I don't think they are, but yeah, I mean some
• 34:07
  men are angry and frustrated with their lives and they go online to vent about
• 34:12
  it. That means they hate women and they're just not manning up enough.
• 34:15
  But we don't want them. A man up, talk about your feelings.
• 34:17
  But but don't complain. They'll never talk about the extremist violence in the rad
• 34:22
  fem community. No, it's just horrifying. Yeah, like the shit that
• 34:28
  they say, uh no, that's been and the fact that they are socially
• 34:30
  acceptable, that some of them have a tenure for God's sake whilst spewing their
• 34:35
  their vicious crap. No, no, we're not going to talk about that
• 34:37
  at all. And what he means by extremism, because again, if a
• 34:42
  man simply says no, I don't think that men have ever oppressed women.
• 34:45
  I don't think that's a proven concept, which it isn't like it it's this
• 34:50
  is a factual statement. Feminist conjecture that men construct society for their own benefit
• 34:55
  of the expensive women is not proven and has been multiply disproven. Okay,
• 35:00
  it is has no scientific validity. That is a factual statement. If a
• 35:04
  man gets up and says that he is oppressing women, facts sang, facts
• 35:13
  expressed women. Yeah, it's the original struggle session. Oh really, what
• 35:16
  is a woman? Oh wow, I don't know. I'm not a woman.
• 35:22
  Talk about what We'll laid you down this particular rabbit hole. Sure.
• 35:28
  So I was aware of these communities in this particular form of extremism from really
• 35:32
  the beginning of my work in the feminist space, because if you are a
• 35:37
  woman with a profile, particular, if you are a woman with a feminist
• 35:40
  profile, working people are going to push back against you. No, they're
• 35:45
  disagreeing with me. That means they're literally raping and beating me near death because
• 35:51
  they disagree or trolled me. Well, she's she's sort of pulled back on
• 35:55
  the breasts delivery. Maybe some like you know, uh teenage boy was like
• 36:02
  get back in the kitchen, and she's like, oh my god, this
• 36:05
  is why we need ultra authoritarian laws all over the internet. So that nobody
• 36:12
  tell me where to get into. Yeah, because it comes down to what
• 36:15
  does she want at the end of the day. Okay, she wants to
• 36:19
  basically be able to throw men in jail, band men from the internet,
• 36:23
  banned them from social media, but basically exclude them in every in every possible
• 36:29
  She doesn't care, like, I mean, there's no other solution. She
• 36:31
  doesn't want to listen to them. She doesn't think their problems are real.
• 36:35
  She doesn't think that you know that men like hanging out with each other in
• 36:40
  the private space is safe. She thinks that they're plotting something like a terrorist
• 36:45
  attack. I mean, she doesn't. She doesn't, like, I don't
• 36:49
  see where this ends up. Yeah, but how is she going to be
• 36:52
  able to disguise herself as a as a barely pubescent boy and go find out
• 36:57
  about their what they talk about sexually? Like if there are no online spaces
• 37:00
  for young men for that kind of thing. All right, I just want
• 37:05
  to Okay, Lady feminists are some of the most abusive creatures. Like,
• 37:14
  all, I didn't even see arguments. They just come at you with insults.
• 37:21
  At this point, they basically say, go to Afghanistan and call you
• 37:24
  a pick me like, are you going to just ignore how abusive feminists are
• 37:29
  online, specifically feminists, because these insults wouldn't exist. Handmaiden would exist with
• 37:35
  a cool girl, pick me wouldn't exist without feminists perpetuating this crap. All
• 37:40
  right. They have more words for women that disagree with them than they have
• 37:45
  Jesus, than they recognize any any kind of thing that women can do to
• 37:52
  effect better make their life better. Okay, that was really that was really
• 37:55
  strained. I apologize, But anyway, she's just ignoring how much abuse and
• 38:01
  she's not just ignoring how much abuse feminists do to others. Okay, starting
• 38:07
  with framing reality in such a way that you demonize men, which is like,
• 38:14
  that's baseline feminism right there, She's not she's not even recognizing that the
• 38:19
  vast majority of bullying online done towards women is done by other women. So
• 38:24
  you're wrong on so many levels that, Yeah, there's uncountable levels that you
• 38:31
  are wrong, Laura Bates. And also you like to very disturbingly pretend to
• 38:37
  be a teenage boy. But nobody wants to address that. No, okay,
• 38:43
  well they don't. Again, they don't think that is creepy because it's
• 38:46
  a woman. Oh, of course not. It's not creepy, of course
• 38:51
  not. They've already they set the framing up already, so working publicly,
• 38:54
  these people come to you. So from round a decade ago when I first
• 38:59
  lew the every Day Sexism Project, which is it was her to share experiences
• 39:04
  of gender inequality within a couple of weeks, wasn't understood every Day Sexism website.
• 39:09
  Wasn't that the source of a lot of false accusations and violence towards a
• 39:15
  because women could they could just post their experiences and we know, there's no
• 39:22
  way to validate or confirm anything. They could like they could say whatever they
• 39:29
  wanted and it was just it was a believe woman page, right, And
• 39:32
  there was a because it was in the UK. There was a girl who
• 39:36
  made allegations and I think she mentioned the school that it happened at, or
• 39:43
  like her claim is, and there were like adults waiting outside like the kids.
• 39:46
  The boys had to be like kind of like uh, you know,
• 39:51
  they had to like leave out a different way or something so that they would
• 39:54
  avoid confrontation by the adults, by the parents. So yeah, that was
• 40:00
  that was Laura Bates Again, what does this serve like? The only thing
• 40:05
  I could see it serving is dividing people is basically like making women afraid of
• 40:09
  men and making men afraid to approach or talk to women, which they're not
• 40:15
  doing. So if that, I can't see any other reason to do this.
• 40:21
  Laura Bates wants this. She wants men and women isolated from each other,
• 40:27
  which is part of the reason why our population is collapsing on itself.
• 40:30
  And in like a generation or two, nobody will be able to run the
• 40:36
  machine of our society. Our welfare system will collapse on itself. Women will
• 40:42
  be homeless, people will be dying. I mean, that's what's gonna happen.
• 40:45
  And then the Amish and the Mormons are going to inherit the earth and
• 40:49
  and like you know, maybe like yeah, and sub Saharan Africa, I
• 40:53
  think is but even they're like on the decline and they're probably doing the best,
• 40:58
  So thanks Laura Bates. Of course these counts don't look to even consider
• 41:02
  that. They're like, whoa you, We're not going to run out of
• 41:06
  money from men or what we might run out of men, Okay, And
• 41:10
  you know, yeah, that's a great abstraction over what she's doing. Why
• 41:14
  don't we just get back to the fact that she put painted a target on
• 41:17
  young men's face backs, she painted her website, and the fact that it's
• 41:24
  allowed to make these anonymous accusations probably still painted a target on young men's backs.
• 41:31
  And there was no way for these these people who were going there to
• 41:35
  get and probably enact some kind of vigilante abuse, if not violence, knew
• 41:40
  who these young men were, if there was even any legitimate to the legitimacy
• 41:45
  to the allegation whatsoever. So and and and then she turns around and says,
• 41:49
  we live in a society that tolerates this stuff. Yeah, right right,
• 41:52
  Really, just a name drop of a school, has the boys going
• 41:58
  to that school become target for abuse because one of them might have engaged in
• 42:02
  some kind of sexual violence? And all of this is like she's allowed to
• 42:07
  do it. Yeah, just free pass. That's that. You can't stop
• 42:09
  her. Can't stop her in this patriarchy for the benefit of men at the
• 42:15
  expensive women. We can't stop this woman in her website that's already been resulted
• 42:21
  in young men being targeted while going to school. Congratulations, God, what
• 42:29
  a horrible abusive human being. Yep, okay, all right, on a
• 42:34
  bad day. Two hundred rape threats and death threats in a day ohn't stopped
• 42:38
  in the decades since. So yeah, okay, sure, let's play the
• 42:43
  next bit here that was okay, is this number two? That was number
• 42:50
  two? Yeah? No, so the rape threats were number two, or
• 42:52
  this is number two? This number three, that's starting right now? Okay,
• 42:57
  all right, where we gotta get this naming thing? So what was
• 43:00
  the first point. The first point was about like what you know about like
• 43:06
  how the all of the extremism online is mostly coming from men. Oh okay,
• 43:12
  so that's like you see, guys, you see how difficult it is
• 43:15
  because these chunks just sort of smear one into the other. Yeah, they
• 43:19
  just flow, right, And that's what I'm saying, like, and you
• 43:22
  know, honestly, I'm just gonna be straight up, You're not gonna hear
• 43:25
  anything here that you ever heard before. There's not gonna be any revelations.
• 43:29
  If you've been watching us for a while, you know, like they don't
• 43:31
  even have to bring Laura Bates on. They could put on a Teddy ruck
• 43:35
  spin put a tape cassette in his belly and have him say all of the
• 43:38
  same shit. I get this many death threats. It's men, patriarchy,
• 43:44
  rape culture, et cetera. That's all. It's the same shit. Yeah,
• 43:47
  people, and people listen like, ooh oh that sounds awful. Oh
• 43:52
  oh, I have sons. What am I gonna do? It's the same
• 43:54
  shit. It's been the same shit for ten years. It's not changing.
• 44:00
  We're just hearing it in a new way. Well, I mean, for
• 44:01
  me, it's not even a new way. It's just the same car.
• 44:05
  So the first one was the same shit. It's the same the first point,
• 44:08
  the first point. Okay, guys, so let's just make this Claire.
• 44:12
  Let's look. I know I'm a stickler for like some kind of organization,
• 44:15
  the first point of shit. Okay, Oh oh, I guess the
• 44:20
  top most hateful Manisphere secrets is that men are the majority. The manister the
• 44:25
  man No, it's no, he didn't even say manisphere. He said the
• 44:30
  majority of violence online or online threats and hate and and you know of hate
• 44:37
  groups because he doesn't specify. So this could this could mean the KKK,
• 44:40
  the neo Nazis. Let's just lump all of it together. It's okay,
• 44:44
  the ADL and the SPLC, they co sign on all of that. Oh
• 44:47
  yeah, male supremacy, Nazis, proud boys, fucking patriot prayer, Catholics,
• 44:53
  it's all the same ship to us. And and so this guy is
• 44:58
  just gonna say, yeah, and all that's men. Oh well, it
• 45:00
  just so happens that we only define hatred by the gender of people. So
• 45:06
  yeah, oh, look at that. It happens to be men. Women
• 45:07
  don't hate. It's like, women don't rape. They don't have penises.
• 45:10
  How is that possible? Even when they do have penises, they don't have
• 45:15
  penises. They're men again, So so you know, this is like how
• 45:20
  they frame it. They they've put men into a black category. You know,
• 45:25
  years before we were born, they did this, And now when people
• 45:30
  hear the word men, there is a trigger that goes off because they've all
• 45:35
  been sort of conditioned to believe things about men that they would never believe about
• 45:40
  women, and not believe things about women that they probably over estimate in men.
• 45:46
  So yeah, I mean this. Of course he's going to start off
• 45:51
  by saying, well, men are the most violent and rapey and evil of
• 45:54
  the genders of all of the millions of genders. The other ones are all
• 46:01
  the genders of peace, except for those guys. So yeah, that's how
• 46:06
  it starts. I mean he immediately launches into a presumption. And of course
• 46:12
  they're intellectual, so they know that they're right. They don't even have to
• 46:15
  challenge it, or they know they're lying, which I think is more likely.
• 46:17
  And you know what's funny is that this is false. The majority of
• 46:22
  online abuse is perpetrated by women. Yeah, against women, against other women.
• 46:29
  So once again, when I point out that feminists they perpetuate abuse against
• 46:35
  women, they don't care, like they like, literally, I had a
• 46:38
  feminist un ironically when I called her out for using a whole bunch of abusive,
• 46:43
  insulting language towards her, She's like, oh, you're just projecting male
• 46:47
  violence onto me. I'm like, your belief system allows you to be a
• 46:52
  total sociopath. Yeah. He said specifically that the majority of extremism, But
• 46:59
  I mean when they say extremism, they mean like violence and threats and stuff.
• 47:02
  Because like if if wanting to be like left alone, I mean they
• 47:07
  would see that as as extreme like that, I mean they would. So
• 47:09
  you know, I'm a libertarian. Oh that sounds really extreme. Okay,
• 47:15
  so yeah, I guess I'm extreme. I mean men generally leaning towards that
• 47:20
  they want to be free, they want to be left alone, they want
• 47:22
  to be able to pursue their goals. Well, we can't have that.
• 47:25
  We need you to work for us mail, we need you to keep everything
• 47:30
  running, but we're not going to give you any credit for it. M
• 47:36
  okay. But yeah, so the first statement is false, So the this
• 47:42
  hateful manisphere secret that. Yeah, actually, actually the truth is that,
• 47:45
  No, it's women perpetuating abuse against women. Yeah, and also address any
• 47:50
  of it. Feminism is an extreme ideology. They just we've just been conditioned
• 47:54
  to think it's normal, but it's absolutely extreme. It doesn't it doesn't make
• 48:00
  any sense. Well, yeah, like think about it. I said to
• 48:04
  this woman, Like the logical conclusion of your belief system is you think that
• 48:07
  feminism stops your husband and your your son from raping and beating you? If
• 48:13
  you think that's a horrible way to live. It's like, it's so dehumanizing
• 48:19
  to her husband and her son, and it's so fucking wrong because what the
• 48:22
  hell does feminism even do? Like all it does is say to men,
• 48:27
  hey, did you notice that you are oppressing women? And then this male
• 48:30
  dominated society somehow puts itself in notts to fix it, either at the speed
• 48:37
  of bureaucracy or faster. Okay, anyway, And then the second one was
• 48:43
  was her and rape threats. Did she get two hundred million a day?
• 48:49
  A million, yes, mill? Yeah, like hundreds a day. So
• 48:52
  apparently the manisphere is spending a lot of times sending Laura Bates, Laura Bates,
• 48:59
  you know, please don't do that, Please don't do that. Just
• 49:04
  ask her why she has to disguise herself or why she's not held to account
• 49:08
  for disguising herself as a pubescent boy or pre you know, in order to
• 49:15
  fucking perv on on their secret conversations. It's for science, it's for research,
• 49:25
  all right's let's keep going. So this is number three now. Congregating
• 49:31
  around extreme mismisogyny and trying to silence women was very much there from the beginning
• 49:36
  of my work, but for a long time there was this kind of belief
• 49:39
  that we shouldn't give them the oxygen of publicity. And then what changed for
• 49:44
  me was that you realized you could get victim bucks from Anita Well, yeah,
• 49:51
  or you know, I think what may mean. I don't remember what
• 49:53
  she says here but I think what's really happening is is that feminists tried to
• 49:58
  ignore and they weren't able to ignore them, so now they feel like they
• 50:02
  have to address it, and so that that's kind of what that's what is
• 50:07
  going on. So okay, let's let's keep going. We'll see what she
• 50:12
  says. The schools and working with young people. That's right, sexual concern,
• 50:15
  healthy relationships, gender stereotyping and how it hurts kids of all genders and
• 50:21
  so on. And a few years ago there was a real shift in the
• 50:25
  attitudes of the young people I was working with, particularly young men, who
• 50:30
  were coming to sessions with some real misinformation that was quite deeply ingrained. Well,
• 50:36
  you know, misogynists, non feminist or even yeah, they were coming,
• 50:40
  I say, dare I say anti feminist? Yeah, but you know,
• 50:45
  the anti feminist content that they had was like, you know, men
• 50:49
  and boys get sexually assaulted. To Laura Bates, that's what I remember them
• 50:52
  saying, and false accusations are a thing, none of which is missing missing
• 50:57
  misinformation, No, of course not. Or maybe they use the word miscenry
• 51:01
  and she was like, that doesn't exist. But anyway, let's see the
• 51:07
  rest of this there's a little bit more to this clip, I think.
• 51:10
  So they were coming out with, you know, feminisms and anti men conspiracy
• 51:15
  theory, the gender pay gap is a myth, me too, as a
• 51:19
  witch hunt. Good men are losing their jobs. White men are the real
• 51:22
  oppressed minority these days, and so on. And I really recognized some of
• 51:27
  the we to put in white theory. Oh yeah, because we have the
• 51:31
  least amount of sympathy for white men, and she thinks that just by saying
• 51:36
  that. First of all, I'm I know she's misrepresenting them. I've never
• 51:40
  heard a white man say I am the most oppressed, just like I've never
• 51:45
  heard a man say that I am the most oppressed. All they're saying is,
• 51:49
  you know, we're human too. If you cut us, we bleed.
• 51:52
  We also have problems and the system isn't being fair to us. That's
• 51:55
  not the same as oppression. That doesn't mean we're in shack, although I'm
• 52:00
  sure somebody could make a good case for it, But no man is doing
• 52:05
  that because, well, for one, I think it's not in men's psychology
• 52:08
  to do that to basically some would I doubt that they're the people that Lauren,
• 52:16
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I think that it's she's she's just
• 52:21
  taking like valid complaints that young men have, which is completely valid, okay,
• 52:30
  And that's showing in the numbers because The Guardian, I think, recently
• 52:35
  had an article that said that more boys are like our teenage boys are moving
• 52:43
  to the right. And I know that they put it up as like a
• 52:45
  scary article, but I know what it really means. It means boys are
• 52:50
  walking away from feminism. They're like, I don't want this, and so,
• 52:52
  you know, I want to be independent, I want to live my
• 52:54
  own life. I don't really want to like have to fucking novel in front
• 53:00
  of women in the hopes that they will give me like the time of day.
• 53:02
  And and I'm like, yeah, you shouldn't do that. I mean,
• 53:06
  like we've we've given We've been trying to get women to like step up
• 53:10
  for ten years and they're not there. Some are doing it, like I'm
• 53:14
  seeing it happen, but I think it's time for men to start saying no
• 53:17
  to women, like I mean in mass you know, I saw this this
• 53:22
  little video. Lindsay likes to watch these reels on I think it's on Facebook
• 53:27
  where they're like short videos, you know, like YouTube shorts, and she
• 53:30
  goes through them and there was one of a woman like, you know,
• 53:35
  a scantly dre scantly clad woman, you know, very like trying to be
• 53:39
  really sexy. And she's like on the street and she's just interviewing random dudes
• 53:44
  and asking them if they would consider dating her permanently. And I think it's
• 53:49
  meant to be a prank or just to get like reactions from men, to
• 53:52
  see how simpy they get, right, And this clip that was viral was
• 53:55
  this guy and she was like, would you, you know, would you
• 54:00
  consider dating me long term? And he said, well, you'd have to
• 54:01
  answer some questions first, and she's like, okay, what do the questions?
• 54:06
  And she was surprised. She thought he was just gonna be like whatever
• 54:09
  you want, queen, but he was like, no, I think you're
• 54:12
  gonna have to answer some questions. And she said what And he said okay,
• 54:15
  first of all, like do you have twenty thousand dollars in the bank
• 54:19
  saved up? And a job? Like do you are you able to take
• 54:23
  care of yourself? And she was like no, I don't. I'm probably
• 54:27
  gonna have to, you know, be dependent on you. And he said
• 54:30
  okay. Next question I think was something like, oh yeah, uh are
• 54:35
  you are you gonna be like loyal or do you want to like, you
• 54:37
  know, see other people sometimes, or do you want to like make this
• 54:42
  monogamous? Are you down with the monogamy? And she was like, well,
• 54:45
  I do talk to other guys. And then he was like, okay.
• 54:47
  The third thing is do you like post pictures of yourself online? You
• 54:52
  know, wearing next to nothing, scantly clad you have the Instagram or something
• 54:55
  like that. And she was like, oh yeah, I told because she
• 54:58
  was dressed like that right there, and she was like, oh yeah,
• 55:00
  I told you. He was like, well, no, this isn't gonna
• 55:02
  work. I don't I want I want a righteous woman. And I was
• 55:05
  like and I was like, I looked at Liza. It's like that's what's
• 55:07
  got to happen. You know, like we always say women are the gatekeepers
• 55:12
  of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. So you know, the
• 55:15
  like I'm sorry, but that's the only way I think because that woman was
• 55:20
  like I can't believe you turned me down, and because you know, he
• 55:22
  was like a normal dude, like he wasn't a chat or anything. Although
• 55:25
  that was Chad behavior in my opinion, and it was like, you know,
• 55:29
  but like but I mean, that's what it's gotta be. So like
• 55:32
  you know, and Laura Bates people like this, they're not They're not gonna
• 55:36
  help men with that. So if men are doing that, like these boys
• 55:38
  that are like moving away from feminism, I mean, I'm like, well,
• 55:42
  why did it take you so long? It's probably because you came to
• 55:45
  the realization that you didn't need this, like that, this isn't the way
• 55:47
  of things, you know, and you know, people like Peterson and us
• 55:54
  and like others online are showing them that. So I think that's the only
• 55:59
  way. Like, like, women are just not stepping up, Alison,
• 56:01
  They're they're not. Like after this Barbie movie, Barbie made a billion dollars
• 56:06
  over the weekend, and it made a billion dollars over the weekend because of
• 56:08
  the feminist messaging, not because of the those you know, nine dimensional fucking
• 56:15
  backgammon that was going on. Nobody noticed that. The normis just saw women
• 56:20
  have it worse America. For Ara speech, men, listen to this,
• 56:23
  this is my life. It's completely nonsensical, but you have to agree otherwise
• 56:28
  I'm not gonna fuck you anymore, and men should be saying, well,
• 56:30
  you know what, go fuck yourself. I'm gonna go do something else with
• 56:35
  a nice woman. I'm gonna go find me a righteous person. I'm gonna
• 56:37
  make my life better because I say what I have to say to men.
• 56:42
  Okay, way back in our evolutionary history, this whole situation men and women
• 56:45
  got set up because women learned to care about individualmen. I'm gonna tell you
• 56:53
  something, really honest. If a woman believes that the only thing that's stopping
• 57:00
  you from being a monster to her is feminism, you will never be loved
• 57:06
  by her. It is impossible to get what you want from her emotionally.
• 57:10
  So you just need to walk because you're just not going to get it.
• 57:15
  Like it's it's like you're for the rest of your life, you are going
• 57:19
  to be under suspicion and she's going to think something external to you is what
• 57:23
  makes you love her. There's there's no way that you can construct an intimate
• 57:29
  relationship on that foundation. So just walk because you just it's like you like,
• 57:35
  literally, you might as well view these women to be I don't know,
• 57:38
  if you're a straight man, just just view them as trying to have
• 57:43
  a romantic relationship with another man. It's not going to work as soon as
• 57:47
  they say feminism walk and you know what, I think men are doing that
• 57:53
  and it's not even as soon as they say feminism. This is even a
• 57:57
  conscious decision. Yeah, Barbie movie eight billion dollars. You know, guys
• 58:02
  need to be aware of that and realize that that is sort of the guest
• 58:08
  staalt to the modern woman. And I know over the past two years the
• 58:14
  number of men who are willing to date women has fallen ten percent. Yet
• 58:20
  with those are rookie numbers. All right, I got some super I got
• 58:25
  some super chows, so I'm gonna read through the super chows. And I
• 58:31
  know that people don't like the giggles, but I did pay for them.
• 58:35
  So Anonymous gives us nine dollars and says, yesterday I saw a video that
• 58:38
  a mother posted about her nineteen year old son who went to see Barbie with
• 58:43
  his friends. He told her that his friend asked him about his opinion on
• 58:45
  the portrayal of Ken. He replied with, well, what do you think
• 58:49
  about the portrayal of women in the film for the last fifty years? She
• 58:53
  said that she loved the portrayal of Kennon that if you don't like it,
• 58:57
  you're missing the point. By the look on her face, she was so
• 59:00
  proud of her son. She posted a quote by Ken that reads, how
• 59:04
  does that feel? It's not fun, is it, and agreed with the
• 59:06
  quote. I think I mean again, if they're playing. But here's my
• 59:13
  confusion. All right, So if Ken it represents women, all right,
• 59:17
  let's let's just follow this logically as we did before. If Ken represents disenfranchised
• 59:22
  women, which is bullshit. Women were always provided for. If a man,
• 59:27
  it's like, okay, so the guy who built the taj Mahal,
• 59:29
  he was like, yeah, bitch, I built this so I could exclude
• 59:31
  you from it. I don't think so. If anybody knows, the taj
• 59:36
  Mahal was built as a gesture of love to like his favorite concubine. All
• 59:39
  right, So this is all bullshit to begin with. It's not really an
• 59:45
  accurate reflection of the situation of women in the past, not to mention the
• 59:49
  fact that feminism completely ignores the importance of women's work throughout human history in maintaining
• 59:57
  society. But regardless, let's forget that. Let us walk through this.
• 1:00:01
  Ken is a allegory for women or women gaining their rights quote unquote, right.
• 1:00:08
  Okay, so when Ken overtakes society, or when when he controls or
• 1:00:19
  the he overcomes the patriarchy, right, the people who join with stereotypical Barbie
• 1:00:30
  to reverse Ken's progressive changes to the constitution in line with well, let's let's
• 1:00:37
  just say that Ken is the suffragette. He's the original Suffragettes, And I
• 1:00:40
  think that's a reasonable estimation to make can engage as in a coup on the
• 1:00:45
  government. The suffragets were essentially trying to do the same thing through terrorist actions
• 1:00:51
  that killed five people, so they were more severe in their behavior than Ken.
• 1:00:54
  Ken is a suffragette in this analogy right now, who's Alan? Alan
• 1:01:00
  is a handmaiden. She's one of those red red dressed a white whipple women
• 1:01:07
  from the Handmaid's Tale. Okay, he's a handmaiden. He's going to help
• 1:01:12
  the patriarch patriarchs re establish the power. And why is it justified that the
• 1:01:17
  patriarchs re established their power in Barbielin It's justified because of Ken's extremist tactics,
• 1:01:27
  which are relate to the Suffragettes. Extremist tactics and the fact that the Barbies
• 1:01:34
  were the ones who built all the institutions that can the Ken's want access to.
• 1:01:39
  This is a and I know that this is not what they intended,
• 1:01:44
  but essentially what they are saying by this entire analogy is that women deserve to
• 1:01:51
  be disenfranchised because of their tactics, the tactics of the suffragettes, and the
• 1:01:57
  fact that they are demanding access to something they build in the first place.
• 1:02:00
  This is an anti women's suffrage message. Now I know why they did this
• 1:02:07
  completely unintentionally. It's because at some point they just sort of in their brain,
• 1:02:14
  their brain just like was like, oh, yeah, we're doing an
• 1:02:16
  allegory. Isn't this hilarious? Like men will find out what women are blah
• 1:02:20
  blah blah. And then at some point they were like, but but Ken
• 1:02:22
  is still a man, so we gotta we gotta, we gotta respond to
• 1:02:28
  this, this male suffragette the way the way that in the same way that
• 1:02:32
  we would respond to a man doing this. So Ken stops being a reflection
• 1:02:37
  of the suffragettes and becomes a man again. And that's why all of this
• 1:02:42
  is justified. So they're they're literal bias against men, fucked up their own
• 1:02:50
  allegory about men being disenfranchised. You see what I'm saying, Like they it
• 1:02:55
  just at some point they couldn't maintain They couldn't. They're am of one cell
• 1:03:00
  brain. They're they're like one horsepower brain, could not extend the analogy to
• 1:03:07
  its final conclusion. Right, And they'll notice how the handmaiden Alan. Just
• 1:03:13
  imagine Allan in his little red dress with his white whipple. Who's who's Who's
• 1:03:16
  who's helping the patriarchy re establish its power? Okay? You notice how the
• 1:03:22
  handmaiden and then the queer men, the weird barbies, they don't say,
• 1:03:30
  okay, we don't. What we want is equality. Okay, So the
• 1:03:35
  Kens and the barbies should be able to vote on the constitution. Not just
• 1:03:38
  the barbies. No, no, no. The handmaidens are like, no,
• 1:03:43
  you patriarchs, you deserve all the power, and we will take whatever
• 1:03:47
  you decide to give us as submitted submissive women. Well, men, but
• 1:03:52
  you know what I mean that you know that the analogy is that these would
• 1:03:55
  be women. So the good, the good, the good guys and all
• 1:04:00
  of this are the handmaidens and the patriarchs re establishing patriarchal order and reestablishing it
• 1:04:06
  and such with no, with no expectation of equality, just an expectation that
• 1:04:12
  out of their patriarchal uh manificence, you know, like that that kind of
• 1:04:19
  graciousness that they will give the people who betrayed, the women who betrayed their
• 1:04:25
  own gender uh something a bargain, you know, they'll bargain with those women.
• 1:04:30
  And this is like I'm watching this, I'm like, did you did
• 1:04:33
  you not follow this to its logical conclusion? Whoever wrote this? Like?
• 1:04:39
  Did you not? And it's just freaking astounding. Yeah, And I don't
• 1:04:46
  know what this woman is saying about the portrayal of women in film for the
• 1:04:49
  last fifty years. She obviously has not watched the portrayal of women in film
• 1:04:54
  in the last fifty years. Wait, that's like in the seventies. Oh,
• 1:04:58
  God's sake, because I don't know, I think again, Like,
• 1:05:05
  no, I know that they didn't do it intentionally. No, I mean
• 1:05:10
  it's possible, but I don't think that it's consistent logically. What I but
• 1:05:14
  I think that you can make a film confusing enough that people think there's some
• 1:05:19
  deeper meaning while leaving the surface mat level of it very obvious, so that
• 1:05:25
  the average person just walks out with that message. It's like somebody reading into
• 1:05:30
  like a Michael Bay Transformers movie and comparing it to like, you know,
• 1:05:33
  the the the I don't know when christ No, I know, I know,
• 1:05:39
  I'm just saying that, I'm sort of like commenting on the post the
• 1:05:43
  super Chow that somebody sent. I'm not really I mean, I'm not really
• 1:05:47
  sure like what, you know, what the point of this is, but
• 1:05:51
  I appreciate the message nonetheless. Okay, well, let me let me finish
• 1:05:56
  what I was going to say from the super Chow and then on the look
• 1:05:59
  at her face, she was so proud of her son. She posted a
• 1:06:00
  quote by Ken that reads, how does that feel? It's not fun,
• 1:06:03
  is it? Yeah? Well, but despite the fact that we're supposed to
• 1:06:06
  sympathe supposedly supposed to sympathize with Ken as a woman in that scene, it's
• 1:06:12
  still justified to take away all of his power because of his extremist tactics and
• 1:06:17
  the fact that he wasn't responsible for building institution he wants access to. Women
• 1:06:24
  did not build the government that they wanted access to. They did not build
• 1:06:28
  the sports that they wanted access to. They did not build the institutions of
• 1:06:32
  academia that they wanted access to. They did not build the the industries that
• 1:06:39
  they wanted access to. Right there. They didn't build the government that had
• 1:06:43
  a vote that they wanted access to. Right there. You're supposed to sympathize
• 1:06:48
  with Ken, but you're also supposed to want him out of power, and
• 1:06:53
  you're not just want him out of power ends you know that should tell you
• 1:06:59
  everything you know too. Right where, they're like, well, you can't
• 1:07:00
  be on the Supreme Court, but maybe we'll give you a Circuit court.
• 1:07:03
  Well, but they're trying to say again, they're going back to this idea
• 1:07:06
  that is a parable about men being disenfranchised. But okay, but the way
• 1:07:12
  that you structured the story, you made it such a way that Barbie had
• 1:07:15
  every right, or you tried to emotionally make the argument that Barbie had every
• 1:07:21
  right because she had built these institutions to exclude Kent, and she had every
• 1:07:26
  right because of Ken's extreme behavior, extreme quote unquote terroristic tactics, terroristic suffragette
• 1:07:31
  tactics in attempting to get freedom, that she had every right to remove him
• 1:07:38
  entirely from power, remove all the Ken's from power, not institute a mutual
• 1:07:43
  vote like everybody has the vote, but remove them entirely from power. And
• 1:07:47
  then at the end we're supposed to be like, oh, yeah, this
• 1:07:49
  is this is again a parable about women. No, No, there's no
• 1:07:57
  logical continuity in this that makes any sense. If it's if it is a
• 1:08:02
  allegory, then you have just made an allegory that explains why an anti suffrage
• 1:08:09
  allegory. Okay, And there's no way around it unless you are unless you
• 1:08:15
  can explain to me when I'm supposed to see Ken as an allegory for a
• 1:08:20
  woman who is disenfranchised, when I'm supposed to see Ken as a suffragette,
• 1:08:26
  and when I'm supposed to see Ken as a man? Okay? So I
• 1:08:30
  mean, I guess if if Ken completely over, as soon as he has
• 1:08:36
  complete control over the government, he's now a man and he deserves all the
• 1:08:41
  punishment. Like, is that where it breaks down? So if if women
• 1:08:45
  ever gained power over the government, that's where it breaks down. Then then
• 1:08:51
  you know that we just have to you know, in order to justify going
• 1:08:55
  back to to patriarchy, all we have to do is let women take over
• 1:08:59
  the government and then we can say, well, no, we're going to
• 1:09:01
  kick you out now and we're going to institute a hard patriarchy. You have
• 1:09:04
  absolutely news say none of this makes any fucking sense. It's because it's written
• 1:09:11
  by somebody who has absolutely no control over their subconscious but they don't know the
• 1:09:15
  situation for men. They don't care. Yeah, no, they don't care.
• 1:09:20
  All right, Well, thank you for that, super chow. Anonymous
• 1:09:25
  person Great Indoors gives us for ten dollars and says, isn't Laura Bates current
• 1:09:30
  profession relying on the fact that can be anonymous on the Internet, or she
• 1:09:35
  banking on the prospect that journalists are going to get an anonymity license from governments
• 1:09:40
  to do their bidding. Uh yeah, I mean probably. I don't know.
• 1:09:45
  She's probably gonna expect people like her to have exclusive rights, I mean,
• 1:09:49
  privileges that others won't. She definitely wants to remove an anonymity, but
• 1:09:55
  only from the hate groups. Guys, only from the hate groups. I
• 1:09:59
  either ends groups. So anyway, thanks Great Indoors and then some bucks for
• 1:10:04
  you gives us ten dollars, thank you for that, and says, here
• 1:10:10
  is ten dollars as a small patch for the ten dollars difference in the last
• 1:10:14
  fundraiser. Hope this helps, because we miss last last month by ten bucks.
• 1:10:18
  Right, so thank you some bucks for you really appreciate the support or
• 1:10:24
  not. Faber actually put them through too, so but thank you. Oh
• 1:10:28
  cool, thank you. All Right, So let's play a little bit more.
• 1:10:30
  It's gonna get pretty good coming up here pretty soon. So fake statistics
• 1:10:34
  and the arguments they were using from these online spaces. Okay, So she's
• 1:10:40
  saying that these boys are throwing fake statistics and making outrageous claims about men having
• 1:10:49
  any problems at all. Right, and this is number three. That's number
• 1:10:54
  three, the number three hateful statistics. The hateful secret about the Manisphere that
• 1:11:00
  Laura bates On covered is that they use statistics. Yeah. But but but
• 1:11:04
  misinformation, statistics, bad statistics, not science. I'm not going to Yeah,
• 1:11:11
  feminism is science. It's the science TM. Yeah. I believe that
• 1:11:15
  the science that is feminism, it is she is the science. Okay.
• 1:11:21
  Point I realized this was a kind of radicalization that was happening very effectively but
• 1:11:25
  almost completely under the radar. At that point. If you talked about in
• 1:11:29
  cells. You know, when I was researching the book, people asked,
• 1:11:31
  is that a kind of battery? Like people just hadn't heard of this at
• 1:11:34
  all, And so it meant that actually thought at that point we did need
• 1:11:39
  to talk about it because it was reaching kids in a really effective way,
• 1:11:43
  and if as a society we weren't aware of it. Isn't awful that I
• 1:11:46
  hate him more than her support young people when they were confronted by it.
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  I don't hate anybody, but I think that I can understand how it's more
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  frustrating because he is a man, and I think he's listening to all this
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  and just thinking, well, it's not me because I'm a good man and
• 1:12:02
  I have sons and those are good men. They're gonna be good men or
• 1:12:05
  else, right, So I mean, yeah, I mean, you can't
• 1:12:09
  tell when somebody just hates men. I don't know how else to describe.
• 1:12:14
  It's like Laura Bates hates men. She hates men that don't that don't do
• 1:12:17
  wish there what what? But no, she hates men, but unless they
• 1:12:23
  identify as women, like if I mean and I know that men, you
• 1:12:26
  know, trans women are women, but she will dislike you as a man
• 1:12:32
  or she thinks that you are the problem up to the point where you say,
• 1:12:36
  you know what, I'm not, I'm I'm I'm non binary. That's
• 1:12:42
  it. And then you're not part of the problem anymore. Ye as appropriately
• 1:12:48
  and it no not even like you're just not part Then you start if you
• 1:12:53
  do behaveing inappropriately, there are a ton of excuses. No, man,
• 1:12:59
  they're just have you seen if you if you if you identify not as a
• 1:13:03
  man and but non binary and you behave badly, suddenly you get a ton
• 1:13:09
  of excuses reigning down, just like if you are a woman, all right,
• 1:13:13
  and that's it. Like all she really is against is men identifying as
• 1:13:16
  men, because the instant a man says no, I'm non binary, she's
• 1:13:20
  like, oh, yeah, welcome to the club. No, you you're
• 1:13:24
  not to blame. And I've seen this, like I've seen it in her
• 1:13:26
  writing. This is her approach, and nothing else has to change. You
• 1:13:30
  don't have to look differently, you don't have to have any other different opinion
• 1:13:33
  whatsoever or behavior. You just have to be like, no, i'm non
• 1:13:38
  binary now. You don't have to identify as a woman. Just i'm non
• 1:13:40
  binary now, and you're fine. It's identifying as a man that she doesn't
• 1:13:45
  like. That's it, And this is what makes it so morally bankrupt,
• 1:13:47
  this entire freaking discourse that we're seeing right now. As long as a man
• 1:13:54
  says, yes, I'm a man, he's a problem. But the instant
• 1:13:57
  he says changing nothing else about himself, I am non binary, he is
• 1:14:01
  no longer a problem. Yeah. He doesn't even have to use they or
• 1:14:04
  them, he can even use the pronouns. He can be like, I'm
• 1:14:09
  a masculine presenting, non binary individual and I'm changing nothing about you, And
• 1:14:14
  you're no longer You're no longer part of the patriarchy, no longer a problem
• 1:14:16
  except the turfs who think that, you know, the original sin is biologically
• 1:14:23
  based, not identity based. Mh okay, let's continue. This next bit
• 1:14:28
  is good, but it's a little longer. Did you finish the super chose
• 1:14:30
  though? I did? Oh? Okay, Jesus, I need to pay
• 1:14:34
  attention more. Yeah, that's all right. I want to sort of define
• 1:14:39
  the different groups that make up these sort of online communities that you've discovered.
• 1:14:45
  I had heard about in cells. I'll admit I had never heard the term
• 1:14:49
  manosphere until I read your writing, Can you explain the manosphere for people who
• 1:14:55
  might not know? Good Lord, here comes, yeah, here comes?
• 1:14:59
  Get ready? Is this number four or number five? This is number four?
• 1:15:02
  Okay? Yeah? So okay, So she's going to tell us what
• 1:15:08
  the manisphere. I hope you're ready, because you know, nobody knows the
• 1:15:12
  manisphere better than Laura Bates. She obviously knows what it is, what it
• 1:15:15
  really is? What the hell is? She looking up above her like that
• 1:15:19
  is that a picture of a thirteen year old boy that when you like look
• 1:15:23
  up and to the left, I think you're remembering something, But if you
• 1:15:29
  look up into the right, you're about to lie. So I think that's
• 1:15:32
  what it is. But let's see. Okay, yes, so this is
• 1:15:34
  the name that has been given not by me, but kind of by researchers
• 1:15:39
  to this particular online ecosystem, if you like. And I think what you
• 1:15:44
  can say that unites all the different communities within the Manisphere is that they all
• 1:15:48
  take as their starting point the idea of taking the red pill, which is
• 1:15:54
  an analogy borrowed from the matrix. That they're kind of seeing the world as
• 1:15:58
  it truly is. All right, I'm just there. They're getting out of
• 1:16:04
  the extremism of viewing half the human race is being evil, yeah, or
• 1:16:11
  evil solely because they identify with their biological sex. Like, let's be fair
• 1:16:15
  to Laura's bates. I mean, she's not quite as bad as the turfs.
• 1:16:19
  At least she gives men an out. You know, as long as
• 1:16:23
  a man doesn't man, it doesn't identify with his biological sex, he can
• 1:16:27
  be not evil. But the turfs are like, Nope, you're born with
• 1:16:30
  a penis. That's it. You're evil. And this and this, this
• 1:16:34
  is like even just checking out of the retarded argument the civil war that the
• 1:16:40
  feminists are in and being like, well, what is a woman that is
• 1:16:45
  now? Radical misogyny is all right, let's go. And what they claim
• 1:16:51
  to see is a kind of inversion of oppression. So men are the real
• 1:16:56
  oppressed minority. Women have sexual freedom, economic freedom. Men are increasingly oppressed
• 1:17:02
  by feminist gains. But then within that kind of base system, there's then
• 1:17:09
  different ideologies that grow from that across a kind of leastly connected network of blogs,
• 1:17:15
  websites, forums, members groups, social media platforms. Right, okay,
• 1:17:18
  but here's the thing, lady, you've never proven the reverse. You've
• 1:17:25
  never proven that men constructed a society for their own benefit at the expensive women.
• 1:17:30
  However, they have proven that women, when they get in charge,
• 1:17:34
  they do push women's benefit over men men's. Okay, so, and wouldn't.
• 1:17:42
  I don't think that the oppression narrative is useful at all when we talk
• 1:17:45
  about the relationship between men and women. And I have very deep reasons for
• 1:17:49
  believing that. However, I are you saying that they genuinely believe that men
• 1:17:56
  are oppressed or simply that women are not oppressed? That's the question I have.
• 1:18:03
  Okay, all right, uh yeah, let's go now. I think
• 1:18:08
  she's going to talk about the various segments, but this is the same section.
• 1:18:13
  It's just longer. But here's the Okay, Well, I'm going to
• 1:18:15
  say this one last time. Feminism is not scientific. No, the conjecture
• 1:18:20
  that they have constructed has never been found to have predictive value. It has
• 1:18:25
  been disproven multiple times by various experiments done by feminists themselves. So the idea
• 1:18:33
  that people are questioning feminism, well, honestly, the real question is why
• 1:18:41
  didn't academia, like why does academia continue to perpetuate this like it is in
• 1:18:45
  any way scientific? When it isn't okay? So why is it up to
• 1:18:50
  the lay practitioner to question the orthodoxy when it's so fantastically self contradictory? All
• 1:19:00
  right, women are oppressed? When did men care about women? Laura Bates?
• 1:19:03
  When did men start to care about women? Oh? Did men never
• 1:19:08
  care about women? Do men never? So how's feminism going to get women
• 1:19:12
  to care about women? And how did if men don't care about women,
• 1:19:15
  how did feminism get anywhere in a male dominated system? Like how is it
• 1:19:21
  that men don't care about women when they're their intimate partners? But suddenly weaponize
• 1:19:28
  nagging, politicized nagging comes along and suddenly, oh, yeah, we care
• 1:19:31
  about women. Bullshit. Feminism uses what it says doesn't exist, which is
• 1:19:36
  men's care for women. And a lot of these guys are waking up to
• 1:19:41
  that fact, you know, and maybe maybe they're they're slingshotting into men are
• 1:19:47
  oppressed, and you know, there's a good reason to believe that, because
• 1:19:53
  honestly, society uses men as expendable in service of it's extasy, Like look
• 1:20:00
  at it, Ukraine, who's dying, Laura Bates, who's dying to keep
• 1:20:04
  all that? To keep the country alive to keep the infrastructure out of Russian
• 1:20:11
  hands. Whatever, you you know, whatever, Who's dying. There are
• 1:20:14
  men dying on both sides. Yeah, they've been dying on both sides.
• 1:20:16
  Who's dying to solve this political quandary? Laura Bates? Okay, And no,
• 1:20:25
  war is not men's faults. Men may adjudicate it. But war is
• 1:20:32
  predominantly about resources. Even World War two, they say that, oh,
• 1:20:36
  it's all like a moral war. Bullshit. It established the States as the
• 1:20:42
  world reserve currency, okay, which itself is a way of getting resources,
• 1:20:47
  all right. Now, the way that war works is it's like a very
• 1:20:54
  aggressive form of gathering resources for a society, right, And it's something that
• 1:21:00
  is predominantly forced on men. Right. When a society is in an existential
• 1:21:08
  crisis, who does its sacrifice men? Right? So you can't get away
• 1:21:13
  from this. So a looking at the course of history and saying that men
• 1:21:16
  are sacrificed whenever society encounters a problem of political, problem of resource problem,
• 1:21:23
  a problem of protection, a problem of building infrastructure, sacrifice men to do
• 1:21:29
  it to overcome that problem. That is just an observation, and it is,
• 1:21:33
  in my opinion, it is entirely legitimate to follow from that observation,
• 1:21:40
  men are oppressed by society. Okay, now I wouldn't would, but I
• 1:21:45
  have a great deal of sympathy for that conclusion. And I have a great
• 1:21:51
  deal of sympathy for people who are infuriated that they have been lied to and
• 1:21:57
  they've been told that society exists for the benefit of at the expensive women,
• 1:22:00
  when men are the gender that are expected to sacrifice everything in its defense and
• 1:22:05
  provision. Yeah, okay, I'll shut up now, all right, So
• 1:22:11
  I got two super chows. I'm going to read those real quick. It's
• 1:22:16
  all good, It's all good. So Anonymous gives us five bucks and says,
• 1:22:21
  I'm honestly concerned about our existence. We could literally go extinct and potentially
• 1:22:26
  cause an eternal extinction for all life forms within our when our sun goes supernova.
• 1:22:30
  Then that dying sun turns the star dusk, and the cycle repeats itself.
• 1:22:33
  God know that sounds like an eternal hell. That's he put that in
• 1:22:39
  quote, so I guess he's quoting something. But thank you Anonymous for that.
• 1:22:42
  And then we got another one from I'm sorry, hold on, I'm
• 1:22:48
  just trying to find the the thing that. Okay, here we go,
• 1:22:55
  right, yeah, another one from Richard Bierre. He's John Cena as Johnson,
• 1:23:01
  and Richard Richard says for five bucks. I wonder how Laura Bates feels
• 1:23:09
  about non binary Jeffrey Marsh. Would she defend Jeffrey because Jeffrey doesn't identify as
• 1:23:14
  a man, Yes, okay. If Elliott Roger said I'm not a man,
• 1:23:19
  I'm non binary, Laura Bates would be defending him, even if he
• 1:23:25
  called himself a hymn. Probably okay. If Aleic Mnaxion had said I am
• 1:23:31
  not a man, I am non binary, she would be defending him.
• 1:23:36
  All right. That's how it works. It doesn't matter any you don't change
• 1:23:42
  nothing about yourself, nothing about your behavior, and you identify not as a
• 1:23:46
  man but as non binary, she would defend you. That's how ridiculously empty
• 1:23:54
  her version her philosophy is all right, morality has nothing to do with your
• 1:24:04
  behavior in her philosophy, and everything to do with your identity. It's complete
• 1:24:13
  moral bankruptcy. It is, okay, all right, let's play the rest
• 1:24:17
  of this. She's going to define some things. Let's go, logs.
• 1:24:20
  You name it so within that you have your in cells, who are men
• 1:24:25
  who describe themselves as involuntary celibates. They're not having sex and they want to
• 1:24:29
  be. They're obsessed with the idea that women owe them sex and that women
• 1:24:31
  should be punished and forced to have sex with them. Okay, then why
• 1:24:34
  aren't they raping women? Yeah? I mean this is a this is a
• 1:24:40
  complete mischaracterization of this. No, that, And the funny thing is that
• 1:24:45
  they do this whenever they don't want to face something about themselves. In cells
• 1:24:50
  correctly identify both what society thinks about men who cannot attract women and what is
• 1:24:59
  attractive to women. And I have seen this. I've seen an insull say,
• 1:25:03
  you know, people think I don't have no value because I'm not attracted
• 1:25:08
  to women, And a person will come in on there and say, well,
• 1:25:14
  if you were attracted for women, you would have value. I'm like,
• 1:25:18
  God, why aren't you gas lighting the fuck out of these people?
• 1:25:23
  Do they really need? This? Is this how you're going to solve this
• 1:25:26
  issue? Okay? This is what I've heard from insults. And actually there
• 1:25:30
  was recently this this wonderful tweet some woman who called this this guy an insull
• 1:25:36
  and this other man who is probably a men's rights activist or or you know,
• 1:25:41
  put parallel to us, came in and said, no, insults actually
• 1:25:45
  pedestalize women, because if they didn't, they wouldn't be involuntarily celibate. At
• 1:25:53
  the very least, they'd be minik Towel. They're really like one little decision
• 1:25:58
  away, one sort of mental state away from being miktoo. And yeah,
• 1:26:02
  actually, but but Laura Bates addresses migtow as well, because of course feminists
• 1:26:06
  had to have an opinion on men that just don't want anything to do with
• 1:26:10
  them. So let's let's continue because there's no winning. That's kind of the
• 1:26:15
  point here, guys. And they really insight offline physical and sexual violence against
• 1:26:19
  women. But you also have men going their own way, so called micktowels,
• 1:26:25
  who think that women are so dangerous, false rate allegations are so rife
• 1:26:29
  that the only solution is for men to cut women out of their lives all
• 1:26:32
  together. All right, So, if they want to be with women,
• 1:26:38
  it's bad because they feel entitled to women's bodies. If they don't want to
• 1:26:42
  be with women, it's bad because they have seen as a Yeah, they
• 1:26:46
  see women as a threat, or they have a low opinion of them,
• 1:26:50
  and they so they shouldn't they shouldn't be allowed because there's no there's no other
• 1:26:55
  there's no other logic to this other than well, you're not allowed to have
• 1:26:58
  an opinion on me that I don't like. Yeah, and uh, I
• 1:27:02
  mean you can't recognize what the state like. Look at what she did mean
• 1:27:06
  everyday sexism, Migtao right now, Yeah, every day every day sexism.
• 1:27:13
  Some anonymous accusation and a bunch of vigilantes went and attempted to confront boys who
• 1:27:20
  there was no way of knowing if they had anything to do with this anonymous
• 1:27:25
  accusation, if it was even real. And you're turning around and saying,
• 1:27:29
  oh, look at the migtools. They think women are dangerous, herdurt and
• 1:27:33
  you have no like nobody knocked on your door and said, what the hell
• 1:27:38
  are you doing, lady? You're gonna get someone killed. Nobody did that,
• 1:27:45
  Nobody thought to do it. Yep, okay, all right, So
• 1:27:49
  that's MiG Tao. So again you have so cooled men's rights activists who kind
• 1:27:55
  of have this veneer of public respectability because they claimed to be fighting for issues
• 1:27:59
  that affect men, but in reality they are very much focused on fighting against
• 1:28:02
  women in feminism, and they really undermine And you shut up. You do
• 1:28:11
  not advocate for fucking women. You are Jesus, you are a feminist,
• 1:28:16
  and you do not have the cap for women. I'm sorry, no,
• 1:28:19
  you don't. I have seen your goddamn financials. If women, If presenting
• 1:28:25
  women as victims wasn't so fucking lucrative, you wouldn't even bother. You don't
• 1:28:30
  care about women. You care about the money that they make for you.
• 1:28:35
  Right, did I just blow out everybody's ear drums? God damn you.
• 1:28:41
  You have nothing to do with women. Feminism is an idea about how society
• 1:28:45
  is structured. It uses women, It uses women. Women owe feminism nothing.
• 1:28:54
  We don't owe the cover, We don't owe it gratitude, we owe
• 1:28:58
  it nothing. Feminism owes women everything. Because feminism exploits men's care for women
• 1:29:05
  to perpetrate its political ends. You're basically using women like cattle, which is
• 1:29:13
  so funny because you're constantly talking about, oh, men use women like chattel.
• 1:29:16
  Bullshit, feminism does. And I've seen your freaking financials of the feminist
• 1:29:23
  dev organizations. Will you guys make a lot of money for like a half
• 1:29:27
  hour work of goddamn weak. It's it is absolutely repulsive. And how dare
• 1:29:38
  you how dare you say you advocate for women? Oh? Yeah, women
• 1:29:45
  would have gotten the vote because they volunteered in wartime. This is they the
• 1:29:51
  reason why women got the vote. We had nothing to do with the suffragette's
• 1:29:57
  terrorism. It was similar, but not the same as why men got the
• 1:30:02
  vote. Groups of men got the vote. Men served in wartime. They
• 1:30:06
  looked at women serving in the factories during wartime taking over men's jobs, which
• 1:30:13
  were more dangerous and more arduous and more dirty than women's jobs, so they
• 1:30:15
  took them over during wartime. And then the legislators saw this and said they
• 1:30:20
  deserved something for their sacrifice. It wasn't the same kind of sacrifice. It
• 1:30:27
  was voluntary. It wasn't into situation where they were being shoved in the front
• 1:30:30
  line and put into a literal goddamn wood chipper, which is what men had
• 1:30:33
  to go through to get the vote. But they got it because of that.
• 1:30:39
  They had nothing to do with feminism, but everything to do with every
• 1:30:44
  individual woman's decision to go and volunteer for the war effort. Okay, and
• 1:30:49
  then feminism swans in and says, dad, that was us gives us.
• 1:30:55
  We did that for you, No, he didn't. Women did it for
• 1:30:58
  ourselves, not for not because of you. So no, you you slap.
• 1:31:03
  No if you say that again, if you say women in feminism again,
• 1:31:06
  you deserve a slap. Slap the fucking women out of your fucking mouth.
• 1:31:10
  You have nothing to do with them, You do not advocate for them.
• 1:31:14
  Language. Good lord, it's fine. All right, let's go.
• 1:31:20
  She's got a little bit more about this, and I think she's gonna bring
• 1:31:23
  up way but the mirror of the public respectability. Huh yeah, well she's
• 1:31:29
  acknowledging that. Yeah, because they double down on the kind of stereotypes that
• 1:31:32
  we know are hurting men. What the fuck is this nonsense? Ms little
• 1:31:38
  down on the stereotypes that hurt men. Are you mean masculinity as like its
• 1:31:42
  own thing that has value, because that's all that's Yeah, Like, oh,
• 1:31:45
  I'm a man that wants to be a man. Well, I guess
• 1:31:47
  you're just hurting yourself then, yeah, okay, yeah that's what she means.
• 1:31:51
  She means that men's rights activists will say some of us, some of
• 1:31:56
  us have different attitudes about you know, genders sentialism because we're sort of the
• 1:32:00
  only thing that unites us is that we want recognition for the issues that men
• 1:32:05
  face. Some of us have different ideological focuses. There are actually left and
• 1:32:10
  liberal men's rights activists. There are ones who think that there isn't that significant
• 1:32:15
  difference between men and women. They are ones who think there is. We
• 1:32:17
  cross a spectrum. The only thing we care about it are the only thing
• 1:32:21
  that unites us is that we do not want to shut up or look away
• 1:32:26
  at the issues at men face. So, first of all, she's wrong.
• 1:32:29
  Not all men's activists even say that masculinity has to be this way.
• 1:32:33
  But here's the other thing. This is what I've noticed. When they say
• 1:32:36
  that stereotypes so called hurt men, they say that recognizing there are any positives
• 1:32:44
  to masculinity means you are constraining men to those positive behaviors. So they think
• 1:32:51
  that when they say there is nothing positive about masculinity, masculinity is defined by
• 1:32:58
  criminal behavior actions of criminals. Like in other words, masculinity is defined by
• 1:33:04
  rapists and domestic violence and h and thieves and murderers. All right, that's
• 1:33:10
  that's masculinity. It's criminality. They're liberating men because there there's no nothing positive
• 1:33:20
  for men to be as men. Therefore, you're liberated from having to identify
• 1:33:25
  as men. Don't you feel so much better having no identity whatsoever? Yeah,
• 1:33:31
  no positive identity whatsoever based on your biological factors. Isn't that? Isn't
• 1:33:38
  that so freeing? That's what she means men's rights activists some of us anyway,
• 1:33:45
  you know, well those of us who aren't who who who don't disagree
• 1:33:49
  with biological like factors, will say that masculinity has unique positive values. Well,
• 1:34:00
  she certainly aren't producing any evidence like that. They think that there's such
• 1:34:03
  a thing as positive masculinity. Masculinity, men have unique positive values that it
• 1:34:11
  adds something to society by virtue of their biology. Okay, there there there
• 1:34:15
  particular hormonal makeup. We believe that. And she's saying, because we ascribe
• 1:34:21
  these positive values that we are putting men in a box. So if you
• 1:34:27
  get rid of all of those positive values, you're freeing men from that box.
• 1:34:32
  And that's what she's describing as hurting men, recognizing that men have innate
• 1:34:36
  positive qualities hurt's men. Ye again, she doesn't care like the instant if
• 1:34:45
  if if Elliott Roger in his manifesto had signed it Elliott Roger non binary pronouns,
• 1:34:57
  he him, they them, she would be like, oh, no,
• 1:35:00
  we have to defend he's you know where We defend him now because he's
• 1:35:03
  not he doesn't identify as a man. That's it. She's after men's identity.
• 1:35:09
  She's after the idea of men identifying with their biological sex. Yeah,
• 1:35:15
  that's it, all right, let's then let's get to the next bit.
• 1:35:20
  And then you have pick up artists, which are again a kind of related
• 1:35:24
  group in terms of kind of seeing women as a kind of sexual prey,
• 1:35:30
  objectifying and dehumanizing them. So if in cells believe that the sexual marketplace,
• 1:35:34
  as they call it, is raged, they see women as kind of slot
• 1:35:38
  machines that will never pay out for them, then pick up artists think that
• 1:35:42
  there is a set formula that you can learn that anyone can learn that if
• 1:35:45
  you push the right buttons and say exactly the right catchphrases, you can make
• 1:35:49
  the machine pay out every time. No, yeah, right, No,
• 1:35:57
  they basically just teach social facility. All right, this is such bullshit.
• 1:36:03
  So if men try to figure out how to make themselves attractive to women,
• 1:36:08
  that's bad. If men walk away from women, that's bad. If men
• 1:36:13
  are upset or even have an opinion on the fact that women don't find them
• 1:36:17
  attractive, that's bad. And if men to like advocate for men so they
• 1:36:24
  don't commit suicide, that's bad. Committing a problem there, Yeah, there's
• 1:36:30
  a commonality. If we recognize masculinity as its own valid thing, that's a
• 1:36:38
  problem. Yep. It's the simplest thatt yep, yep. And as long
• 1:36:45
  as you entertain women like this because she is, She's not a turf.
• 1:36:49
  By the way, guys, I'm not kidding when I say that if alec
• 1:36:54
  Uh, if Elliott Rodgers identified as non binary, this woman would be defending
• 1:36:59
  him. She's not a turf. Her problem is that is in with is
• 1:37:03
  with men identifying with being a man, with being masculine, is the idea
• 1:37:09
  that men have their own being that's legitimate. That's her problem. Okay,
• 1:37:16
  she has no problem with trans women, right, And this actually makes her
• 1:37:24
  better than a turf because at the very least she gives men and out turfs
• 1:37:29
  don't, well, they have to make sure that they're not men. So
• 1:37:31
  she's really not giving men and out, But I get what you're saying.
• 1:37:34
  Yeah, intersectionals are aliens and turfs are prey. No way, uh uh,
• 1:37:41
  turfs are predators and inter intersect Yeah. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:37:45
  It's alien versus predator, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
• 1:37:50
  lose. Okay, So is this number five? Her? That was number
• 1:37:57
  five? I think it's almost over and it's like a few seconds left.
• 1:38:00
  So so it's all based on this kind of dehumanization of women, but from
• 1:38:03
  within that is then quite a diverse group of communities. Wait wait, wait,
• 1:38:08
  wait wait wait, okay, go back. So she's alleging that this
• 1:38:12
  is dehumanization of women. Let's go back and yea, all of the manisphere
• 1:38:16
  stuff dehumanizes women in one way or another, is what she says. Okay,
• 1:38:20
  go back, and let's listen to what how she describes this, right,
• 1:38:26
  make the machine pay out every time? No, no, it has
• 1:38:29
  to go back further. Let's go back to the in cells, all the
• 1:38:33
  way back to the yes, back to the in cells. All right,
• 1:38:41
  Okay, define the groups. Okay, so these are the dehumanizing groups.
• 1:38:45
  And I think what she means by dehumanizing is again recognizing that there's a legitimacy
• 1:38:50
  to the male point of view. So there's something that women aren't, you
• 1:38:55
  know, in terms of standpoint theory, Like women don't have access to it.
• 1:38:59
  So it's like the record nition that there's another other than women. Even
• 1:39:01
  that makes sense, Like there's a point of view that exists that's legitimate outside
• 1:39:05
  of women. That's what she doesn't like. No, that, yeah,
• 1:39:11
  of course, yeah, it's not. It has an a new agenda.
• 1:39:13
  Really, it's about control. I had heard about in cells. I'll admit
• 1:39:16
  i'd never heard the term manosphere until I read your writing. Can you explain
• 1:39:21
  the manisphere for people who might not know. Yes, so this is the
• 1:39:26
  name that has been given not by me, but kind of by researchers to
• 1:39:29
  this particular online ecosystem, if you like. And I think what you can
• 1:39:33
  say that unites all the different communities within the manisphere is that they all take
• 1:39:39
  as their starting point the idea of taking the red pill, which is an
• 1:39:44
  analogy borrowed from the matrix. That they're kind of seeing the world as it
• 1:39:47
  truly is. I'm just pausing there for the banana, Okay, So we're
• 1:39:51
  going to continue now. And what they claim to see is a kind of
• 1:39:57
  inversion of oppression. So men are the real oppressed minority. Women have sexual
• 1:40:01
  freedom. This rehumanizes women, this recognition. Okay, so what she's doing
• 1:40:09
  here is the recognition that women men are oppressed and women are not dehumanizes women.
• 1:40:17
  M okay, all right, so does the reverse dehumanized men? That
• 1:40:24
  would be the conclusion. So she's basically just like again, she's basically just
• 1:40:30
  saying that she dehumanizes men. Men are increasingly oppressed by feminist gains. But
• 1:40:39
  then within that kind of base system, there's then different ideologies that grow from
• 1:40:44
  that across a kind of leastly connected network of blogs, websites, forums,
• 1:40:49
  members groups, social media platforms, reddit threads, vlogs, you name it.
• 1:40:54
  So all I am pausing there again for the banana. Now she's gonna
• 1:40:58
  talk about in cells. Now, in that you have your in cells,
• 1:41:00
  who are men who describe themselves as involuntary celibates. They're not having sex and
• 1:41:04
  they want to be. They're obsessed with the idea that women owe them sex
• 1:41:09
  and that we're really punished and forced to have sex with them. Okay,
• 1:41:13
  so let me let me let's look at that. So women owe them sex?
• 1:41:15
  So they feel like they're undesirable and women owe them their consent. So
• 1:41:21
  sort of like all of the lucist movements, like the fat phobia movements,
• 1:41:26
  the agism movements, because I don't understand what these women are complaining about when
• 1:41:31
  they say that they're unattractive, except that men don't consent to them sexually,
• 1:41:39
  I guess, but that doesn't count, because of course not. Yeah,
• 1:41:43
  and also I don't think that it's important to point out that I don't think
• 1:41:48
  in cells are after sex, because if they were, they just buy a
• 1:41:50
  prostitute. They want they want they want to connect with someone who cares about
• 1:41:56
  them. Yeah, that's essentially it, And I would say I would agree
• 1:42:00
  considering what I've seen them say. They actually pushed back against the whole prostitution
• 1:42:03
  things, saying, we don't want somebody who just consents to us because we
• 1:42:06
  paid the money. They want a relationship, they want desire, They want
• 1:42:12
  someone to appreciate them, and this is like the most horrible thing is for
• 1:42:17
  a man to want to be appreciated by a woman. And also, yeah,
• 1:42:26
  there might be some minority that is really aggressive in their rhetoric, but
• 1:42:31
  if we're going by that standard, you really should look at some You really
• 1:42:34
  really should look at the radical feminists, because it's more than a minority that's
• 1:42:40
  aggressive in their rhetoric. But here's the other thing. This is the inverse
• 1:42:45
  of all the movements about men's lookism, that men don't have a right to
• 1:42:49
  be attracted to what they're attracted to. In culls are basically just reflecting women's
• 1:42:56
  own statements about men. Are like some subsets of women who consider themselves unattractive
• 1:43:02
  their statements about what men should find attractive, right, and if men don't
• 1:43:08
  find fat women or old women or ugly women attractive, then there's something morally
• 1:43:12
  wrong with those men. Okay, the in cells, the ones who are
• 1:43:17
  more extreme, might say something like, well, if women don't find us
• 1:43:21
  attractive, there's something morally wrong with women. There's no difference. It's just
• 1:43:27
  this acknowledgement that the male point of view is just as valid as the female
• 1:43:31
  point of view. So the male point of view to the whole, men
• 1:43:34
  only find fat women ugly, don't find fat women, ugly women old women
• 1:43:40
  attractive. Is women don't find short, disabled minority men attractive. Don't make
• 1:43:49
  money, you know, And that's what the in cells are saying, And
• 1:43:55
  so the only thing that she's complaining about here is that is that men exist
• 1:44:00
  and have an opinion, like they believe that they're legitimate, that their existence
• 1:44:05
  is legitimate. This is her problem again. Okay, all right, that's
• 1:44:13
  human flying physical and sexual violence against women. But you also have men going
• 1:44:18
  their own way, so called migtwels, who think that women are so dangerous,
• 1:44:23
  false rate allegations are so rife that the only solution is for men to
• 1:44:27
  cut women out of their lives all together. You have, so I'm just
• 1:44:30
  pausing there for the banana Well, men's rights activists who kind of have this
• 1:44:35
  veneer of public respectability because they claim to be fighting for issues that affect men,
• 1:44:40
  but in reality they are very much focused on fighting against women in feminism
• 1:44:45
  and they really no, no, no, you don't get to say women
• 1:44:46
  in feminism in the same breath. Nope, And feminism, like we talked
• 1:44:51
  about at length at the beginning, feminism is not about equality. It's about
• 1:44:57
  presenting a view of the world that is deeply anti mail. That men would
• 1:45:01
  ever construct a society for their own benefit at the expensive women, that is
• 1:45:06
  deeply anti mail. It justifies why we do not care about men's issues.
• 1:45:12
  It also justifies literally abusing men psychologically by saying horrible things about them. That
• 1:45:17
  is a horrible thing to say about men. Okay, So if you're going
• 1:45:23
  to say that, oh, I can't be legitimate unless I allow you Laura
• 1:45:28
  Bates to punch men in the face whenever you want to, I'm sorry.
• 1:45:31
  No, I'm going to advocate against that. I'm going to advocate against abusive
• 1:45:39
  men, including feminist abuse of men, full stop, and don't support men
• 1:45:46
  with the issues that they're facing because they double down on the kind of stereotypes
• 1:45:49
  that we know are hurting men. And then you have pick up artists,
• 1:45:54
  which are again a kind of related group in terms of kind of seeing women
• 1:45:58
  as a kind of sexual prey, objectifying and dehumanizing them. So if in
• 1:46:03
  cells believe that the sexual marketplaces they call it, is rigged, they see
• 1:46:09
  women as kind of slot machines that will never pay out for them, then
• 1:46:12
  pick up artists think that there is a set formula that you can learn that
• 1:46:15
  anyone can learn that if you push the right buttons and say exactly the right
• 1:46:19
  catchphrases, you can make the machine pay out every time you mean you can
• 1:46:23
  make women consent to you, So insulls believe that women will never consent to
• 1:46:29
  them, and pick up artists believe that you can learn to generate sexual interest
• 1:46:33
  in women. That's essentially like stripping away all of the anti mail bullshit that
• 1:46:40
  she applies to it. That's essentially what's happening here. And this is all
• 1:46:44
  dehumanizing women. And none of these people, none of these groups are trying
• 1:46:49
  to break any laws or harm anyone at all, like they're all looking for
• 1:46:56
  They're either trying to get consent they presume they're not going to get it,
• 1:47:00
  they don't want it, or you know, they're just trying to like make
• 1:47:02
  the system more fair. They're not even really talking about those things. So
• 1:47:10
  she doesn't care. Though she doesn't care, there's no legitimate and she's never
• 1:47:13
  controlling the narrative. So yeah, I know, okay, all right,
• 1:47:17
  he's still this kind of dehumanization if women, but from within that is then
• 1:47:20
  quite a diverse group of communities. Yeah, so let me see, that's
• 1:47:26
  seven eighteen. So this is the next bit is these last two are pretty
• 1:47:30
  good too. I do have a patron show that I gotta do, and
• 1:47:33
  I gotta pick up lindsay, so we can't go too much longer. Okay,
• 1:47:38
  okay, bonus round two more. All right, I did get another
• 1:47:41
  super chow, so I should probably like read that really quick. This is
• 1:47:47
  from anonymous for five bucks that they say, and Allison, if a button
• 1:47:51
  appeared in front of you that would take away the right to vote from women
• 1:47:55
  and their abilities to manipulate men's voting decisions, would you press that button?
• 1:47:59
  I think that maybe the only way for us to prevent our extinction. No,
• 1:48:05
  and the reason why is we've got to learn from this. Yeah,
• 1:48:10
  we need to overcome the problem that we're facing right now. Women have revealed
• 1:48:16
  a lot of themselves and their nature through this entire process, and what we
• 1:48:21
  need to do is hold it accountable. You can't just push it under a
• 1:48:26
  rug anymore. We have to deal with the world as it is, and
• 1:48:30
  if we can't, then we go extinct. Then we are a failed evolutionary
• 1:48:38
  dead end. But at some point we have to hold women accountable or there
• 1:48:45
  is no future. And maybe maybe that means we have no future. But
• 1:48:48
  the thing is that if you just get rid of the symptom, it will
• 1:48:51
  return. My answers, No, we have to we have to solve this
• 1:48:58
  conundrum. We have to face it and solve it. Okay, I'm going
• 1:49:01
  to be ok keep going. The in cell community has evolved over time,
• 1:49:08
  because I read in your writing that it does. It started relatively harmlessly and
• 1:49:15
  then it sort of grew into a much more dangerous community. That's all I'm
• 1:49:19
  in positive. I think she gets a little backstory in selling. But yeah,
• 1:49:23
  I mean you started with women, Yeah, yeah, and then when
• 1:49:27
  it was women it was okay. Right. So originally, in the kind
• 1:49:30
  of early nineties, it was a Canadian woman called Alana who started a very
• 1:49:34
  small online community for what she described at the time as in cells with a
• 1:49:40
  V in the middle that's now been dropped. And it was a benign,
• 1:49:44
  supportive community for people of any gender who hadn't had luck in finding it,
• 1:49:49
  not as she says, any gender, not men relationship. Whenever they say
• 1:49:55
  all genders, they're just saying not men who are men are fine with being
• 1:50:00
  meant to talk about their experiences to support each other. It was a small
• 1:50:04
  community, and she eventually found a relationship and moved away from that community.
• 1:50:11
  And then I think some kind of twenty years later, almost like women are
• 1:50:14
  may have a much easier time getting in a relationship than men. The woman
• 1:50:17
  who started it found a relationship shortly after interesting till she was in a bookstore
• 1:50:24
  looking through a magazine when she saw an article about Elliott Roger, who had
• 1:50:28
  committed a massacre in Santa Barbara, California, where he had murdered I think
• 1:50:33
  he murdered six people and injured another ten in the name of this so called
• 1:50:38
  in cell movement, not as she says, people, because there was more
• 1:50:42
  men than he killed. That's not important. And it was a complete shock
• 1:50:45
  to her to see what it had morphed into. So the in cell movement
• 1:50:48
  today would not include women. They would not accept the idea that women could
• 1:50:53
  be involuntarily celibate. But more than that, it is not, as it's
• 1:50:57
  sometimes portrayed, a support of kind online community for lonely men. That's been
• 1:51:02
  misinterpreted and maligned. It is a community that is violently misogynistic, and it
• 1:51:08
  isn't supportive of men. It is you know, men often egging each other
• 1:51:11
  on to kill themselves. So it's kind of bad for everyone, now,
• 1:51:15
  all right, That was the So going into the bit of backstory with the
• 1:51:20
  in cells, that's sort of like the next point that she makes, and
• 1:51:29
  I guess I'm Alison's muda. I don't know if you're going to say anything,
• 1:51:31
  but I'll play the next one after that. If you are done,
• 1:51:34
  there's only one left. So but she's basically setting the stage. So when
• 1:51:40
  women are in cells, it's harmless, it's benign. They're just you know,
• 1:51:45
  misunderstood, their body shamed. Right, that's where the fat phobia thing
• 1:51:50
  comes in, the body positivity thing. Oh, Lizzo's lonely, not because
• 1:51:57
  she's insufferable, it's because she's way and men they're not lowering their stands or
• 1:52:02
  standards enough. If in cells were trans, for example, then she would
• 1:52:09
  have an outpouring of sympathy because trans women are women and those trans women should
• 1:52:13
  be able to find a man. And if men don't want to have sex
• 1:52:15
  with trans women, then they're transphobic. Yeah. What also lesbians? Yes,
• 1:52:24
  yes, If sis lesbians aren't interested in having sex with trans women,
• 1:52:27
  this woman may also regard them as being transphobic. They are, of course
• 1:52:31
  they are. Yeah, but like regular men that are experiencing that, no,
• 1:52:36
  not allowed. That's that's one of the things that I actually sympathize with
• 1:52:40
  the turf's about like, you really shouldn't be forced to find someone sexually attractive
• 1:52:46
  if you don't want to, you shouldn't. That should not be extorted.
• 1:52:51
  And the idea that men should find women they don't find sexually attractive attractive or
• 1:52:57
  they're immoral. I find that reprehensive little bit of course, you know,
• 1:53:00
  insuls like whatever I mean that? You know that? Uh that when if?
• 1:53:10
  What I mean by that's a Venn diagram with a very small amount of
• 1:53:13
  overlap in my book. Yeah, I do with you on that thing.
• 1:53:16
  But that's it yo, Yeah, okay, kay, let's finish this.
• 1:53:25
  Can you talk a little bit about the scale of the problem and the direction
• 1:53:29
  it's been heading, because I think it's I'm holding a couple different ideas in
• 1:53:33
  my head. You know, you have twenty seventeen. It's sort of the
• 1:53:36
  me too movement, and there's a feeling that maybe things are getting better and
• 1:53:43
  now we're living in like you know, you got Andrew Tate and you got
• 1:53:46
  Jordan Peterson, and it seems to Johnny Depp not important, not important,
• 1:53:56
  Jordan Peterson basically the same guy. I saw Jordan Peterson smoking a cigar and
• 1:54:00
  in writing in a buccatti the other day, and and Tate was talking about
• 1:54:05
  young in front of a giant audience. It's the same thing. What whatever,
• 1:54:11
  oh at these you know what? You know what? It is why
• 1:54:13
  I get so upset about this, because this is why I end up having
• 1:54:17
  to defend Tate. And it's not because I like Tate. It's not that.
• 1:54:24
  It's because if you participate in this kind of shaming, you are giving
• 1:54:28
  these people what they want. I will not do it, and I you
• 1:54:31
  know, I don't even I don't even want to start by saying, oh,
• 1:54:34
  I disagree with so and so on these things, and I agree with
• 1:54:36
  them on these I'm not even gonna do that. That's that is cowardly apologetics
• 1:54:42
  at this point. If men want there, if they're looking for help,
• 1:54:45
  if they're looking for direction, if they're looking for guidance, if they're looking
• 1:54:48
  for purpose, because they don't want to hang themselves, because they don't want
• 1:54:51
  to jump out of off a fucking bridge, because they don't want to end
• 1:54:55
  up homeless. I don't care where they go because nobody in these positions,
• 1:55:00
  positions like Laura Bates, positions, like the people in our government, like
• 1:55:03
  the people in our in our educational institutions, like the people that run the
• 1:55:08
  mental health industry, that run our media, that do all none of them
• 1:55:12
  are helping these guys. None, and then anywhere they go they shame those
• 1:55:15
  people. So I will defend them on principal period. I don't care what
• 1:55:19
  they're about, because that's where men are going. They need it. You
• 1:55:24
  know what it's good for, you go for it. I don't care.
• 1:55:27
  You know, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not playing that game anymore.
• 1:55:30
  Guys don't. Don't even ask me to, Like, you know,
• 1:55:33
  there's so and so, but like no, because that's where men are going.
• 1:55:39
  So fuck it because look, dude, look Laura Bates and people like
• 1:55:45
  her, they're they're driving, They're gonna drive multiple people to suicide with this
• 1:55:50
  rhetoric and the ship that they promote. They are evils. They are they
• 1:55:58
  are evil. And I'm I mean, I say this with full confidence.
• 1:56:02
  Okay, that's what it takes to say this shit. And I say this
• 1:56:06
  because I know that they know that they're lying and that they know that this
• 1:56:10
  is evil. Because like I've only been I don't think of myself as a
• 1:56:14
  smart guy, really just kind of average paying attention, you know, trying
• 1:56:16
  to be like trying to be in the moment, and you can see the
• 1:56:21
  inconsistencies, the lack of evidence, right and and I know that what where
• 1:56:29
  I am like, telling the truth from this position is not easy to do
• 1:56:34
  and it's not I know she doesn't right now, she looks like a fucking
• 1:56:41
  I know it's it's not to our benefit to say this stuff, but it
• 1:56:45
  has to be said. So like the this is why I'm I'm sorry,
• 1:56:49
  but like, no, no, apologize, I get it. I'm saying
• 1:56:53
  there are people that that are perhaps clueless, like they don't know what's going
• 1:56:59
  on right there there. They think that like they can just keep doing the
• 1:57:02
  same shit. There are people who are captured by this feminist narrative on the
• 1:57:06
  Barter scale, and they never looked into it because just like I did,
• 1:57:10
  like ten years ago, I was just like that. I was like,
• 1:57:12
  well, you know, women, yeah, pressed in history? Why not
• 1:57:15
  sure? Like I just got the vote, I was just watching TV or
• 1:57:17
  this movie or heard this song. You're bombarded by this ship every day,
• 1:57:21
  twenty four hours a day, so why wouldn't you think that? But now
• 1:57:25
  that I know what's going on, that it's not. It's it's hard to
• 1:57:30
  deal with people who don't know. Like, that's the majority of our population
• 1:57:33
  that's captured by this, you know, regardless of what they took. Yeah,
• 1:57:40
  but it's and of course that makes me the extremists because I'm like kind
• 1:57:43
  of on the outlier. But then what it really puts in perspective is people
• 1:57:47
  like this, like I know that she's lying on purpose maliciously. She doesn't
• 1:57:53
  care if men get killed. She doesn't care if they're hurt. In fact,
• 1:57:57
  if men go out in a blaze of glory, like they go and
• 1:58:00
  they you know, do something violent or whatever, like they go out because
• 1:58:03
  they want to kill themselves, but they want to leave a message behind.
• 1:58:08
  Right, she's going to use that. Oh look, here's more proof.
• 1:58:11
  Right. This is why again I've said this before. This is why when
• 1:58:14
  there are criminal men running free, you know, doing all kinds of distructive
• 1:58:17
  ship because they were abused as kids and they don't know who their father is
• 1:58:20
  and you know, they're just running around doing whatever, these people won't put
• 1:58:25
  them in jail because those those men acting like that, that's good for their
• 1:58:28
  message. We're gonna take the heroic men they try to stand up to these
• 1:58:31
  people. We're gonna put them in jail because now there's few of them on
• 1:58:33
  the streets, and they're gonna be punished for doing the right thing. Right,
• 1:58:38
  We're gonna reward the people who are doing the wrong thing. And then
• 1:58:40
  we're gonna turn and say, you see, you see all these violent crimes,
• 1:58:43
  that's men doing that. You know, so like we know they're doing
• 1:58:46
  this on purpose. This is like, this is pure evil. I'm sorry,
• 1:58:50
  it's just not the same, you know, It's just not so.
• 1:58:55
  And what I'm hearing. What I'm hearing is that Andrew Take, regardless of
• 1:59:00
  what you think about him, is actually stopping some men from committing suicide,
• 1:59:05
  from being drawn into the despair. And yes, he's done shady shit,
• 1:59:09
  but then so is almost every purveyor on only fans. Well, yeah,
• 1:59:15
  I mean that they try to find stuff. I don't know because like you
• 1:59:17
  know that Sounder for you know, I don't want to get into it.
• 1:59:19
  I don't want to get into I'm just saying that they do. They I'm
• 1:59:21
  telling you how the media works. The Sounder Freedom movie came out, the
• 1:59:27
  media, they try to dis regard it. They tried to say it's Qan
• 1:59:30
  on crazy people, conspiracies, et cetera. And then when that didn't work
• 1:59:34
  because the movie was making a lot of money, I think that they constructed
• 1:59:38
  the Barbieheimer meme to like distract because it was everywhere, and now it's nobody's
• 1:59:42
  talking about Sound of Freedom anymore because they're all looking at these memes and they're
• 1:59:45
  going to the theater for that. And then like after that, sort of
• 1:59:48
  like Dido died out. Then there was this story of some guy who they're
• 1:59:53
  like, oh, yeah, this guy was charged with sex trafficking a woman
• 1:59:56
  and he was a donor for the movie. It's like he was like if
• 2:00:00
  looking into the story, he was protecting a woman who was in a child
• 2:00:03
  custody case and he'd be giving her a hotel stay with her child. So
• 2:00:09
  like not at all, not at all what they're implying, but like it's
• 2:00:13
  all about. What I'm saying is is that it's very easy for the media
• 2:00:16
  to take any person or any anything that they want to throw shit at and
• 2:00:24
  like and cast into the worst possible light by simply accusing the men or a
• 2:00:30
  man of some like uh you know, like bad behavior. And it makes
• 2:00:33
  everybody because men are already in a black category, so it just turns them
• 2:00:36
  away. All he's one of those men, right, He's one of those
• 2:00:40
  men who are also the majority of men. So okay, anyway, all
• 2:00:44
  right, okay, I'm gonna conclude my statement. There are so few places
• 2:00:49
  that are that men can turn to to stop their slide and despair that to
• 2:00:57
  spend time condemning them for all of these these these problems that other people are
• 2:01:02
  saying they have, like Jordan Peterson, Warren Farrell, and Andrew Tate.
• 2:01:08
  And I'm not saying that they're all only equal level. I'm saying that they
• 2:01:11
  are providing something for men to stop that that descent and despair, okay,
• 2:01:17
  and to instead turn and condemn them rather than condemning these people who are smugly
• 2:01:26
  grinning as they promote narratives that psycho psychologically harm men and are not scientifically proven.
• 2:01:35
  So this is this. There is no validity to this narrative that she
• 2:01:40
  is promoting, and she is promoting it, I think because she wants to
• 2:01:45
  deny the idea that there is anything other than the feminine point of view.
• 2:01:51
  This is this is what I'm getting off of her. She doesn't want men
• 2:01:55
  to identify as men. Because she does, she has some kind of an
• 2:02:00
  us against the idea that there is a legitimate way of being emotionally, mentally,
• 2:02:06
  intellectually that she doesn't have access to. And it's just this kind of
• 2:02:15
  crawling, smothering, predatory kind of quality to her. And we need to
• 2:02:24
  point this out, we need to condemn this. And if Andrew Tate is
• 2:02:28
  managing to scoop up some starfish and throw them back into the ocean, maybe
• 2:02:33
  we should focus on that rather than on the stupid things he said, because
• 2:02:38
  he sounds like a twelve year old boy sometimes, okay, you know,
• 2:02:43
  and and all of the things that other people on old efens also do,
• 2:02:47
  you know. And I mean because he's scooping up starfish and saving them,
• 2:02:55
  you know. And I think Jordan Peterson is scooping up even more starfish and
• 2:02:59
  saving them, and Warren Farrell also scooping up starfish and saving them. That's
• 2:03:03
  what we should focus on, not the fact, yeah, not not their
• 2:03:09
  condemnation. It's like, no, these guys get a pass until you guys
• 2:03:15
  shut up and stop trying to zenus genocide the starfish. Yeah, I mean,
• 2:03:19
  they're not stepping up like they have nothing on They're not stepping up,
• 2:03:24
  they're not even stepped there. They're actually out there making things actively worse for
• 2:03:29
  men. Yes, on purpose too, I think, Yeah, now at
• 2:03:32
  this point you can't. There's no way that it's not on purpose. How
• 2:03:35
  is it? How is it that at this point in time I've noticed and
• 2:03:43
  the way that I progressed along my path is I simply asked questions of feminists
• 2:03:48
  and instead of answers, I got abused. I'm like, hmm, all
• 2:03:54
  right, yeah, And I would just ask more questions instead of answers,
• 2:03:58
  I got abuse. Instead of answers, I got abuse, and on and
• 2:04:00
  on and on and on and on until I realized one day, probably way
• 2:04:04
  too late, Hey, I don't think you guys have answers, No,
• 2:04:10
  they don't. All you have is abuse. You have a conjecture that you
• 2:04:18
  say, and then everybody who doesn't pledge allegiance to that conjecture you abuse until
• 2:04:27
  they're silenced till they go away, or they pledge allegiance to it. And
• 2:04:31
  that's all you got. You don't have any rational arguments why I should believe
• 2:04:36
  your conjecture. In twenty years, I haven't seen one one rational argument that
• 2:04:45
  holds water from feminists, and it's because there is none. It is,
• 2:04:50
  at button best, feminism is not a science. It's conjecture, is not
• 2:04:57
  a scientific fact. It's not proven. It's not even proven to a civil
• 2:05:00
  court standard. It's not even a philosophy. It's simply a belief. And
• 2:05:04
  if you are if your belief is so demonizing of a group of people based
• 2:05:12
  on nothing more than they belong to a biological category or they take an identity
• 2:05:16
  from that category, you live in an extremist cult the end, qeed,
• 2:05:25
  and all you have is abuse. And yes, I know that that means
• 2:05:29
  that we all live in an extremist cult. We live in the South Tower,
• 2:05:32
  you know, after the first plane has crashed into the North Tower and
• 2:05:39
  all the feminists are saying, no, don't go down, don't exit,
• 2:05:43
  No, we're fine. Yeah, I know that's a really strained analogy.
• 2:05:48
  It will makes sense at some point. I've got super chow. Is there
• 2:05:51
  anything further that we need to listen to you? There is a little bit
• 2:05:54
  more, But I got super chowows I gotta read so Anonymous gives us a
• 2:05:59
  fire bucks. Oh no, I think that I can no longer hear you,
• 2:06:00
  Alison King, What is going on? You gotta like hang up and
• 2:06:03
  come back. Can you guys hear me? You guys? Yeah, you
• 2:06:05
  guys can hear me, Alison Lee. I can hear you, guy,
• 2:06:09
  I can hear you now. I'm sorry if I talked over you. No,
• 2:06:12
  no, I'm back. I okay. What Occasionally Discord demands that I
• 2:06:17
  re select my headphones. Headphones were already selected, but Discord's like, no,
• 2:06:24
  no, we want you to re select it. All right, okay,
• 2:06:27
  So I re selected. It's fine, okay. So I got some
• 2:06:30
  super chow's all right, all right, got one super chart one super chat
• 2:06:32
  So I got a super chow from? Uh? Who is it? Is?
• 2:06:40
  Anonymous? Again? And Anonymous says, if I bet if all in
• 2:06:44
  cells focused on helping and befriending men, we would be better off. In
• 2:06:46
  cells don't actually exist. The term in cell is a derogatory way of saying
• 2:06:50
  true force loneliness, which is a red pill slash maketow term. They don't
• 2:06:56
  want someone to work for them as if they love them, They want someone
• 2:06:59
  to genuinely love them. Yes, exactly, and I agree. I think
• 2:07:02
  that like the I think the first step in for in cells healing is to
• 2:07:08
  form friendships and community with other men in a healthy environment without women. I
• 2:07:15
  think that that's a good place to start from and once you can like because
• 2:07:18
  I think that in many, many cases, I'm interviewed a few in cells,
• 2:07:23
  even a couple of prominent ones. The guy who that read ran the
• 2:07:26
  in cell forums I think was en Cell dot CEO or something, and brandi
• 2:07:32
  O who was Intel that appeared on a couple of Jubilee videos, was a
• 2:07:38
  guest on our show, and and basically, yeah, they they they The
• 2:07:44
  tendency is that they're not just lonely with the women of the opposite sex,
• 2:07:49
  but they also don't have a lot of male friends. And I think that's
• 2:07:53
  kind of a problem that's only been made worse by our government's collective reaction to
• 2:08:00
  the pandemic, which I can say now because it's been long enough, and
• 2:08:03
  I don't think that's helped. So I think that what in cells should be
• 2:08:07
  doing or true for men experiencing true force loneliness, what if you want to
• 2:08:11
  call it, is trying to find friendships with other men. They don't have
• 2:08:16
  to be like you in your situation, just like good you know, principled,
• 2:08:22
  honorable dudes, and you will find that it's a lot you'll be a
• 2:08:26
  lot happier, and like, don't worry about the women like that. They'll
• 2:08:31
  you know, they'll come around, and you should be able to have decent
• 2:08:35
  standards, not just for her, whoever she might be, but for yourself.
• 2:08:39
  So remember, men, you are the gatekeepers to commitment. So thank
• 2:08:45
  you for that, super Chow. I did want to say something to that.
• 2:08:48
  All Right, there's a lot of stuff that's sitting in the way of
• 2:08:54
  men connecting, and in order to get rid of it, or to start
• 2:09:00
  challenging it and breaking it down, you really have to start challenging and breaking
• 2:09:05
  down feminist thought. Yeah, because the ultimate conclusion from feminist thought is a
• 2:09:11
  very destructive paranoia between men of their relationships with each other. And yeah,
• 2:09:20
  so I just wanted to point that out. It honestly, like, you
• 2:09:24
  can't get anywhere as long as feminists control the center of the choice chessboard.
• 2:09:31
  And I don't mean just feminists, I mean let's just call it what they
• 2:09:33
  are, misinterests, because there's some conservatives who also believe this crap. You
• 2:09:37
  know that men who would construct a society at the benefit of men at the
• 2:09:41
  expensive women, which I don't understand why conservatives even entertain that, because it's
• 2:09:46
  self destruction. But anyway, as long as they control that, as long
• 2:09:50
  as they define the relationship between men and women, the relationship between men and
• 2:09:56
  the relationship between women, there's no movement, Like there's there's no improvement.
• 2:10:01
  So you have to start by kicking out this attitude that men would create a
• 2:10:07
  society for their own benefit at the expense to women. And if you have
• 2:10:11
  to go through a period of black pill rage where you think that men are
• 2:10:16
  oppressed, so be it. Yeah, thank you for that. And I
• 2:10:22
  got a smart chat from Derek Workman who gives us twenty dollars. Thank you
• 2:10:26
  Derek, and says, could someone do an analysis of the decline of educational
• 2:10:31
  standards compared to girls doing better than boys in school? That would be informative
• 2:10:35
  on the quote feminists don't take anything away from men end quote. Well,
• 2:10:39
  I mean I've talked about it, like we've had who's the guy that did
• 2:10:45
  the Jonathan Taylor? How do feminists takeaway male privilege allegedly without taking away something
• 2:10:52
  from men? Yeah, you know, I've heard that the US might be
• 2:11:00
  considering she's thinking, it's like, you know, it's just like women realizing
• 2:11:05
  their true awesomeness or some shit. Yeah, I've heard that the US might
• 2:11:11
  be considering a draft because of the situation in the Ukraine. I wonder if
• 2:11:20
  American men are are being signed up against their will to face a power with
• 2:11:28
  modern artillery, which I've heard is not at all like the wars that we've
• 2:11:35
  that have been fought in the last like fifty years. I wonder how they're
• 2:11:43
  going to maintain this belief that society is constructed for the benefit of men at
• 2:11:48
  the expense of women. Yeah, because that must be that must be an
• 2:11:52
  awful thing to think when you're facing down like a you know, a rolling
• 2:12:00
  barrage of death that will you know if you'll get caught in it. Yet
• 2:12:07
  it's basically there's not enough left to you to bury and to know that you're
• 2:12:13
  there because you're a man, and society expects you to die to solve its
• 2:12:20
  political disputes, but not women, and society is constructed for your benefit at
• 2:12:26
  the expense of women. You'd think that a society that was even constructed to
• 2:12:31
  benefit men as much as women would rethink the whole Yeah, let's kill young
• 2:12:37
  men to solve our political disputes. But no, yeah, okay, all
• 2:12:45
  right, there's a little bit more a play and then we're going to stop.
• 2:12:48
  It seems to be getting much worse. And that's just on the surface,
• 2:12:52
  and clearly your work has been underneath the surface in these sort of online
• 2:12:54
  spaces where it's really this kind of misogyny is running rampant and get quite dangerous.
• 2:13:01
  Yeah. So these spaces have of course predated the kind of mainstream atteration
• 2:13:05
  of the METO movement, but I think we've certainly seen them kind of swell
• 2:13:11
  in recent years. So for example, UK visits to the biggest in cell
• 2:13:15
  websites have increased around fivefold in the last year or so alone. These are
• 2:13:20
  now increasingly sized communities. So some of the biggest in cell forums, for
• 2:13:24
  example, have between ten and thirty thousand registered users, which doesn't include the
• 2:13:31
  number of people that are Okay, so she's just going on this in cell
• 2:13:35
  rent and as their conclusion, Oh no, I mean she's just saying that,
• 2:13:39
  you know, it's getting worse. That's basically her conclusion. It's getting
• 2:13:43
  worse. More and more men are feeling like they need like a place to
• 2:13:46
  go, and they're going to That's that's like the bonus hateful secret of the
• 2:13:52
  manosphere. It's getting bigger. It's expanding as we gain more power, and
• 2:13:58
  our extremist narrative about how men are secretly demons gains more traction. There are
• 2:14:05
  more men fleeing to online spaces to get away from it. I don't understand.
• 2:14:13
  Yeah, how did this happen? Men hate us so much? Why
• 2:14:22
  can't men just accept the fact that we think they aren't human? Why can't
• 2:14:28
  why do men? Why are men upset that we think they're all criminals who,
• 2:14:35
  absent the influence of feminism, would rape and beat women, the women
• 2:14:41
  in their lives. Why what? What are we doing? That's so bad?
• 2:14:48
  Yep? Oh, good lord, grief. It activates the almond,
• 2:14:54
  doesn't it? Okay? So I think that this this is number seven,
• 2:15:01
  isn't it? Of the top top five hateful Secrets of the Manisphere and covered
• 2:15:07
  by Laura Bates. Yeah, well we covered nine nine nine top nine.
• 2:15:13
  Okay. I think I'm I got the numbering numbering scheme confused. But you
• 2:15:20
  know, honestly, it's a It's an art, not a science. Because
• 2:15:24
  all of her points sort of smear together like it's run long wet streak of
• 2:15:31
  shit. It's all garbage, and it's all the same garbage. It's all
• 2:15:37
  the same yep. It never changes. Spin up there and just you know
• 2:15:41
  what's ai Okay, you know what's really aggravating as people like this think it's
• 2:15:48
  all like they put the lid on human understanding. That's it. No,
• 2:15:52
  we can just you know, stick a fork in it. There's no more
• 2:15:56
  noses to be had about human existence. The feminists have figured it all out,
• 2:16:03
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• 2:16:07
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  in there at the beginning of the show. Would you say that that Andrew
• 2:17:45
  Tate is s tire Manisphere And we're like, oh, I guess it depends.
• 2:17:50
  I think if if if Bates is rating it on misogyny levels. I
• 2:17:58
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• 2:18:01
  the same to her, we're all s here. I don't you know.
• 2:18:03
  I think that you know, maybe this guy that she's talking to is like
• 2:18:07
  beach here, because you know, he even though he's agreeing with her in
• 2:18:11
  every way, he's still a man, so that puts him. Yeah,
• 2:18:15
  he still identifies as a man. Yeah, he still identifies a man.
• 2:18:18
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• 2:18:24
  end her her interviews with the man and say, so, have I convinced
• 2:18:28
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• 2:18:33
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