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Football at Four: Unpacking Eagles Day After Loss to Jaguars · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher from the Inside the Birds podcast and Philly
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Speaker 1: Voices here today for today's football at four. We'll get
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Speaker 1: to him in just a second. Game day hits different.
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Speaker 1: A lot happening. You got a big Monday night football
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Speaker 1: game tonight. You got game two of the NLCS. And,
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Speaker 1: of course, the Eagles loss on Sunday. Everybody still kind
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Speaker 1: of looking back at what happened. We just heard from
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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Mosher, did anything stand out about what Nick said?
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Speaker 1: He did take accountability for his decision yesterday. Today he
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Speaker 1: took that same accountability. He did seem to think that
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Speaker 1: the last possession, that he was okay giving them time
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Speaker 1: left on the clock. One of the reasons was he said,
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Speaker 1: we couldn't run the ball yesterday, so I didn't even
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Speaker 1: want to call a run. I think that was a
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Speaker 1: pretty large indictment to hear about that final drive yesterday.
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Speaker 1: But to me, I'm actually a little bit more angry
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Speaker 1: if I'm a fan at the last possession than I
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Speaker 1: am in the decision to kick it.
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Speaker 3: It's funny because that's been going back and forth in
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Speaker 3: my own head, Mike, since the end of the game.
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Speaker 3: Some people bring up the whole Dallas-Baltimore game where you
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Speaker 3: can get burned if you make the wrong decision or
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Speaker 3: the opposite decision that Nick made. I do think that
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Speaker 3: given the way the Eagles defense was playing, given how
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Speaker 3: much Jacksonville is struggling offensively, I think they had no
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Speaker 3: timeouts before the kickoff as well.
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Speaker 4: So the, and.
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence does not have, he has a nice arm,
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Speaker 3: but he does not have Lamar Jackson's arm.
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Speaker 4: He's like got an okay.
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Speaker 3: And if arm, I just think the degree of difficulty
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Speaker 3: for them to get into a field goal spot, um,
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Speaker 3: is going to be really, really difficult there if you
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Speaker 3: kick short and make a tackle, right?
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Speaker 1: You've got to get to– now the ball goes to
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Speaker 1: the 35-yard line.
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Speaker 2: You've got to get to what? You've got to get
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Speaker 2: to the 48.
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Speaker 1: You've got to get to the opposite 48 to try
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Speaker 1: a 70-yarder. So you only need 13 yards. You need
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Speaker 1: a 13-yard pass to get out of bounds. And you
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Speaker 1: can do that in a player two. The Eagles did it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I said the example is the Eagles threw
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Speaker 1: a seven-yard pass to Makai Lemon. That play took four seconds. Right.
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Speaker 1: You got seven yards on that play in four seconds.
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Speaker 1: You can essentially get another six yards or so. But
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Speaker 1: now you're really getting close. I agree that it is
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Speaker 1: a very small window, but it is doable to get
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Speaker 1: 13 yards to try a 70 yarder. And they have
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Speaker 1: the one kicker in the league who has made a
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Speaker 1: 70 yarder. So that's where I think that enters the
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Speaker 1: conversation or at least the thought process if you're Philadelphia, correct?
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 3: So I could almost give him more of a pass
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Speaker 3: on that than the clock management to even leave time
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Speaker 3: on the clock. But I will say, I said this
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Speaker 3: to Adam in the postgame show even before Nick said
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Speaker 3: it today, there was something very odd to me about
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Speaker 3: when Tyler Steen left and Fred Johnson came in. I
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Speaker 3: know you're down to an offensive line you never thought
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Speaker 3: you'd have, but that's a lot of massive man of
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Speaker 3: humanity right side there with Bell and Fred Johnson. And
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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, and maybe it has to do with
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Speaker 3: pad leverage for Fred at guard, I don't know. But
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Speaker 3: they did not want to run behind that right side.
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Speaker 3: in the second half once Fred came in, which surprised me.
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Speaker 3: I thought, if anything, just those guys being such big
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Speaker 3: dudes would have opened up some lanes.
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Speaker 4: But that could also very well be me, Mike, overthinking it.
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Speaker 3: Marco Bell's playing okay, but he actually doesn't, for a
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Speaker 3: guy that big, does not have great play strength yet.
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Speaker 3: He's not moving people the way you would think someone
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Speaker 3: that big can go. I've been impressed by Not as
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Speaker 3: many penalties.
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Speaker 4: You're not seeing a holding.
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Speaker 3: You're not seeing getting beat really badly in pass pro
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Speaker 3: all the time.
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Speaker 4: But he's also not moving people.
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Speaker 3: So I understand what Nick is saying, that they did
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Speaker 3: not want to run the ball.
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Speaker 4: But sometimes and you know what, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 3: If you look at the play where he was considering,
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Speaker 3: instead of kneeling down, he did run, like they got
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Speaker 3: a minus three on it. So there are some plays
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Speaker 3: there to validate what.
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Speaker 4: Nick is saying.
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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I can't say I'm going to hand the
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Speaker 1: ball off to try to run behind Milata.
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Speaker 2: All right, I got Jordan Milata over there. He's 6'7,
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Speaker 2: 330 pounds. Jordan, can you help me get one yard?
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Speaker 1: Can I push behind you for one? How about a
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Speaker 1: tush push? Can I just say to my quarterback, hey,
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Speaker 1: fall forward for a yard? You know, the play last
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Speaker 1: night that I'm watching that really changes the game in
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Speaker 1: the Baltimore-Atlanta game is Snoop Huntley basically goes, stands up,
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Speaker 1: and follows the center and just kept pushing the center forward.
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Speaker 1: And it's like he got 15 yards on that play.
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Speaker 2: Just amazing. Fall forward for a yard. I'm not asking
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Speaker 2: you to get 10 yards on the play.
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Speaker 4: Mike, the average less than two yards a run. I'm
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Speaker 4: not sure they could have done it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think what all I had 18 carries
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Speaker 1: for 22 yards yesterday.
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Speaker 2: That was very inept.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to take it. I don't want to
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Speaker 4: absolve anybody of anything. I'm not trying to do this.
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Speaker 4: Trust me.
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Speaker 3: But the whole way the game ended really absolves the
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Speaker 3: fact that the Eagles offense gave them no shot to
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Speaker 3: really even be in it other than one big play.
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Speaker 4: To Darius Cooper.
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Speaker 3: If you're expecting everything to go right in the final
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Speaker 3: minute when everything has gone wrong for most of the day,
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Speaker 3: more so offensively, that's tough.
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Speaker 4: The team gets.
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Speaker 3: Put in this position of having to finish off what
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Speaker 3: it started even though what it started was.
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Speaker 4: Broken from the beginning.
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Speaker 3: It was never pretty against the Rams and it wasn't
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Speaker 3: pretty there against the Jags either.
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Speaker 1: Well, the only reason they're in the position they're in
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Speaker 1: is not because you played so well. It's because they
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Speaker 1: played so poorly and kept you in the game. Now,
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Speaker 1: you took advantage of them playing poorly to take.
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Speaker 2: The lead in these games.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know if I'm supposed to.
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Speaker 1: Be encouraged or discouraged that I hung in these games,
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Speaker 1: shorthanded against two Super Bowl contenders, that I really feel
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Speaker 1: that I should have won those games. Now, I saw
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Speaker 1: your article. Like, don't tell me I'm two plays from
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Speaker 1: being 4-0 because you're not. But I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be encouraged by the fact that, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm so shorthanded, and I basically went toe-to-toe with these
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Speaker 1: two teams, and it needed my coach to get in
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Speaker 1: the way for me to lose. But on the flip side,
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Speaker 1: can I say my coach helped me stay in those games?
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to think about that.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the reality of the situation is, the
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Speaker 3: last two weeks especially, your defense gave you it. It
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Speaker 3: created two turnovers against the Rams, gave you some short fields.
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Speaker 3: You were able to punch some scoring in. And then
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Speaker 3: your defense and your crowd, your home crowd in London
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Speaker 3: there really made things very, very difficult for the Jags offense.
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Speaker 3: And if you got like 40 percent of the same
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Speaker 3: production from your offense as you were getting from your defense,
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Speaker 3: you could legitimately say, all right. I like where this
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Speaker 3: is going, even if we lost the game, you know,
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Speaker 3: but you're not, I mean, if you had 40% of
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Speaker 3: what the defense was giving you on offense, you would
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Speaker 3: have won these games and you would be a totally
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Speaker 3: different record, but you're not, and you cannot ignore what
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Speaker 3: the offensive stats are. And that's why it's really difficult
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Speaker 3: to be encouraged by anything right now. Other than the
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Speaker 3: fact that you have a very good defense that'll help
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Speaker 3: you keep you in games, but they'll have their moments
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Speaker 3: like Chicago. They'll have other moments, but again, in the
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter where they're just been asked to do too
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Speaker 3: much and they will not be able to hold onto that.
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Speaker 3: You can't, I think the Eagles run the fifth or
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Speaker 3: sixth fewest plays in the NFL.
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Speaker 4: I'm actually surprised it's that high.
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Speaker 3: I thought it'd be the least amount, but maybe by
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Speaker 3: three weeks from now it will be, but they're just,
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Speaker 3: the defense can't be asked to be perfect in the
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter.
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Speaker 4: Every time when the offense gives nothing.
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Speaker 2: No question.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher football at four from the inside, the birds podcast,
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Speaker 1: Philly voice.com. You know, I guess the one thing would
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Speaker 1: be to ask if I start to get healthier and
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Speaker 1: I have Barkley back and Smith back, do I feel
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Speaker 1: that my defense has gotten to a point that I
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Speaker 1: can compete now with my full offense?
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Speaker 4: Um, with your full offense.
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Speaker 3: I mean, again, when they, when they are full offensively,
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Speaker 3: they still go back to some of the issues that
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Speaker 3: we had in the run. They haven't run the ball
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Speaker 3: well since week one of last year.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So we have a really long, uh, or a big
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Speaker 3: sample size here to question how good this offense is
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Speaker 3: really going to be even when Devontae Smith and Saquon Barkley.
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Speaker 4: Get back because it has to run.
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Speaker 3: But to your question, if the offense starts to figure
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Speaker 3: things out and get healthier, then.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you can feel good.
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Speaker 3: About the Eagles can win the NFC East, but I
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Speaker 3: think you really have to squint. That was part of
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Speaker 3: the article I wrote today. You really got to squint
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Speaker 3: at this point to even see healthier eagles team hoisting
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Speaker 3: that lombardi at the end of the year just based
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Speaker 3: on the fact that they're nine and eight over their
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Speaker 3: last 17 games mike right i mean this is this.
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Speaker 1: Is taking two and two in 2024 when they were
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Speaker 1: two and two in 2024 it didn't feel that they
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Speaker 1: were this far off.
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Speaker 3: No they didn't have when they were two and two
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Speaker 3: they were playing poorly that they had it's not a
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Speaker 3: great offensive line they had Saquon was on his way
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Speaker 3: to a historic run. I mean, it was really just
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Speaker 3: the pass offense that had to come together. And then
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Speaker 3: even the defense, you know, they hadn't gotten Cooper to
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Speaker 3: Jean on the field until week five and he changed
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Speaker 3: everything right for their defense. And those rookies were coming
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Speaker 3: along by the end of the year. Like, I don't
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Speaker 3: know where that, where that change for the Eagles is
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Speaker 3: this year, other than the idea that you might get
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Speaker 3: healthier on offense. But then that goes back to the question, well,
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Speaker 3: they were healthy on offense last year and not very good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean their offensive line yesterday was pretty good.
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Speaker 1: probably the best that it's played almost all season and
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Speaker 1: um that's saying something I thought um you know Lampkin
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Speaker 1: held his ground uh Majors was not an abysmal you
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Speaker 1: know you're not saying hey you had a guy who
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Speaker 1: got whipped every single play like you were with Juergens
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Speaker 1: uh if you can get you know I don't know
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Speaker 1: if Dickerson comes back. I don't know what happens to Lampkin.
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Speaker 1: But the offensive line, you just said it. I think
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Speaker 1: that's a good point. They were playing at such a
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Speaker 1: high level when you were cranking out in 2024. I
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Speaker 1: just don't see any consistency from this line that's going
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Speaker 1: to allow this offense to have any consistency all season long.
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Speaker 2: And they struggle.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff, that I watch another team in
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Speaker 1: football struggle as bad as they do offensively. I know
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Speaker 1: the stats, the numbers might say elsewhere. But I watch
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Speaker 1: a lot of football, man. I don't know that I
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Speaker 1: ever watch.
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Speaker 2: Teams that are this bad offensively. 45% of their drives
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Speaker 2: are three and outs. They can't move the ball.
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Speaker 4: Ever, ever.
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Speaker 3: All right, so here's their issue, Mike. Everybody says they
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Speaker 3: have a third down issue, which is a little bit
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Speaker 3: of misleading, okay? Here are their third downs in the
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Speaker 3: second half. Third and three, third and nine, third and ten,
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Speaker 3: third and eight, third and thirteen, third and ten, third
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Speaker 3: and nine, third and twenty. Does that sound like good,
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Speaker 3: makeable down and distances to you? I mean, third and
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Speaker 3: three was good, but everything else there was seven, eight, nine, ten, thirteen,
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Speaker 3: and twenty. So they have a first and second down problem.
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Speaker 3: As you just said, they can't move the ball.
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Speaker 4: And strangely, if.
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Speaker 3: You look at the first half, and this goes back
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Speaker 3: to the point we're making, they converted a bunch of
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Speaker 3: third downs in the first half that were third and long.
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Speaker 3: They actually have a higher than league average rate of
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Speaker 3: being able to convert third and long. It's about 20-something percent,
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Speaker 3: which is hard because most people don't convert third and long.
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Speaker 4: But when you.
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Speaker 3: Have that many, it's a volume. When you have that many,
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Speaker 3: it's going to catch up on you. You know, the
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Speaker 3: Jaguars in the second half of this game, I thought
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Speaker 3: they were a little conservative defensively early on. It's almost
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Speaker 3: like they felt like, hey, these guys have so many
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Speaker 3: backups on the O-line, we could just win with a
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Speaker 3: four-man rush. And then they weren't. So in the second half,
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Speaker 3: they were just bringing, like, delayed blitzes, six-man rushes, overloads,
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Speaker 3: zero blitzes. I mean, they were just doing everything they could.
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Speaker 3: But the only reason they could do that was because
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Speaker 3: the Eagles were constantly behind the sticks because they couldn't
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Speaker 3: run the ball, and they were an unmakeable second and
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Speaker 3: third and long down in distances.
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Speaker 1: Right, and it's not that they couldn't run the ball
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Speaker 1: because they were on their fourth running back. That's not
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Speaker 1: an excuse. I mean, Damian Pierce is an NFL running
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Speaker 1: back who's had success. Now, I don't know. that he's
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Speaker 1: going to get back to the level of success that
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Speaker 1: he has. But it's not, man, they were on their
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Speaker 1: fourth running back. That's why they only had 22 yards rushing.
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Speaker 1: They just can't run the ball.
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Speaker 4: Right, because Shipley wasn't running the ball very well.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, if you go look at Saquon, Saquon's run the
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Speaker 3: ball well in some stretches.
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Speaker 2: Look, this is it.
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Speaker 3: This is all you can hang your hat onto if
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Speaker 3: you really want to buy into the Eagles as a
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Speaker 3: conference contender. If you really want to buy into that,
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Speaker 3: you buy into Saquon– and Landon Dickerson coming back and
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Speaker 3: Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard, and they figure out ways
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Speaker 3: to run the ball better, kind of like they did
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Speaker 3: in the first half against Chicago and at times against Washington.
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Speaker 3: That's what you can hang your hat on, but you're
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Speaker 3: only in week six now, right, and you are down
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Speaker 3: to your sixth, seventh, and eighth offensive linemen. So if
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Speaker 3: you're going to hang your hat on guys coming back,
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Speaker 3: what you're not counting in is who else is going
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Speaker 3: to get.
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Speaker 4: Hurt especially on the O-line.
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Speaker 3: They can't afford any slippage or any more injuries on
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Speaker 3: the O-line now.
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Speaker 1: This is like, I guess, 2012 when Andy ended up
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Speaker 1: getting fired and they moved on to Chip Kelly. You know,
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Speaker 1: that year they just had four offensive linemen get hurt.
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Speaker 1: They just constantly had somebody hurt on the offensive line.
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Speaker 1: And then the next year they all came back healthy
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Speaker 1: and Chip won 10 games. And it wasn't like Chip
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Speaker 1: was so great. It was they had a healthy offensive line,
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Speaker 1: and that line was really good. This feels the same way.
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Speaker 1: You talk about this all the time. You can handle
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Speaker 1: one guy getting hurt and the next man up. It's
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Speaker 1: when you have multiple guys at the same position that
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Speaker 1: get hurt, and now you're at your third center, your
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Speaker 1: third left guard. Yesterday you were on your second right guard,
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Speaker 1: your second right tackle.
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Speaker 2: That's just not a recipe for a victory.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, 2020 goes into that too because if you remember,
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Speaker 3: they started that year with Brett Toth at right tackle.
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Speaker 3: I think Lane had had the ankle issues going on
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Speaker 3: or maybe something else either. And then the right guard,
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Speaker 3: they had to start the fourth-round pick that year, Jack Driscoll.
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Speaker 2: Jack Driscoll.
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Speaker 4: Because they had, I think, Sam Alu at that time
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Speaker 4: was injured.
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Speaker 3: And when you start off with two backups in week
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Speaker 3: one– What's your margin of error? Because then other guys
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Speaker 3: wound up getting hurt. I think Mailata actually got hurt
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Speaker 3: that year, too, with his shoulder, if I remember. He
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Speaker 3: landed on it and missed a few games. And next
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Speaker 3: thing you know, you can't win because you have zero
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Speaker 3: offensive linemen.
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Speaker 1: No, the offensive line problem is massive right now. Their
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Speaker 1: offense is– I've never seen anything so bad.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's bad. It is bad.
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Speaker 1: That being said, what do you make of Hurt's reaction,
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Speaker 1: the way he reacted to this yesterday? I mean, is
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Speaker 1: this him saying– I don't trust the staff. There's some
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Speaker 1: friction here. What do I make of him saying, I
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Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with that?
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Speaker 4: I think it was Hurts just avoiding.
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Speaker 3: Saying something that's probably going to sound really incriminating for
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Speaker 3: his coaching staff. I mean, I'm sure deep inside he
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Speaker 3: would have liked to have tried to do a few
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Speaker 3: things a little bit more aggressively, whether it's the run
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Speaker 3: game or throwing some passes in the middle of the
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Speaker 3: field on that final drop.
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Speaker 4: Who knows? You know, he threw the ball to Mekhi Lemon.
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Speaker 4: Lemming goes out of bounds. Just not good.
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Speaker 3: There were a couple of plays where Hurts himself didn't
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Speaker 3: throw a ball to a guy who was open.
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Speaker 4: So, I mean, he's got to.
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Speaker 3: Take– he did take responsibility. But it's just– what can
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Speaker 3: he say in that.
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Speaker 1: Moment that's going to make anybody feel– Well, it's like
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Speaker 1: Jake Elliott yesterday. He seemingly wanted to be like, I
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Speaker 1: didn't agree with the call, but I just did what
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Speaker 1: I was told.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure– and I'm sure that's how people feel. These
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Speaker 4: are not calls, though, that are like 90-10 either.
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Speaker 3: As we just– like there's some 50-50 on what to
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Speaker 3: do in that situation, you know, with the kickoff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sirianni, you know, he did take the blame. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I should have kicked it into the end zone. He's
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Speaker 1: acknowledging that he should have kicked it into the end zone.
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Speaker 1: And I think most of us all agree. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sitting here trying to defend him on that. You should
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Speaker 1: kick the ball in the end zone. You take your
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Speaker 1: chance that the guy might make a 70-yard field goal
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Speaker 1: against you. Now, I wonder how much in the back
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Speaker 1: of his mind is that Little can make a 70-yard
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Speaker 1: field goal So I'll take my chances that my coverage
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Speaker 1: unit can make the tackle and the time will come
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Speaker 1: off the clock and here we go. But it's just
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Speaker 1: an overall disaster of a day on a game that
16:54
Speaker 1: you should have had no business being in yesterday. But
16:57
Speaker 1: the one positive was your defense finally played really well.
17:00
Speaker 1: Your defense finally stepped up and kept you in that
17:03
Speaker 1: game and gave you a chance to win. When you
17:05
Speaker 1: needed stops, they got them. When there was a fourth down,
17:08
Speaker 1: they get the stop. Because all year long, when they've
17:10
Speaker 1: needed to get stopped, they haven't been able to get them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and Jalen Carter really came alive. I mean,
17:15
Speaker 3: he was a disruptive force. He was in the first half.
17:18
Speaker 3: I think in the second half, not so much. But
17:20
Speaker 3: he was a one-man wrecking crew in the first half.
17:22
Speaker 3: The real shame is that they got the interception from
17:25
Speaker 3: Quinn Young Mitchell.
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Speaker 4: They didn't turn the ball over themselves.
17:28
Speaker 3: So, once again, they won the turnover battle on the
17:31
Speaker 3: road and lost, which, like, defies all of the.
17:35
Speaker 4: Stats, right? You always say if you win the turnover
17:37
Speaker 4: battle on the road, you're going to win, like, 70%
17:38
Speaker 4: of the time.
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Speaker 2: Well, you were a home team. You essentially had a
17:42
Speaker 2: home game yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
17:44
Speaker 2: That is true.
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Speaker 3: But the other thing is those strip sacks that Jalen
17:47
Speaker 3: Carter got, it's like an unfortunate bounce of the ball
17:51
Speaker 3: that the Jaguars were able to recover both of them.
17:55
Speaker 3: Usually the Eagles are kind of jumping on top of those.
17:58
Speaker 3: Usually the Eagles are blocking a kick. They're not getting
18:01
Speaker 3: what they need. And unfortunately, the two or three plays
18:04
Speaker 3: they don't make on defense are become exacerbated. You know, obviously, Makuba,
18:09
Speaker 3: what I think happened is he got caught peeking into
18:11
Speaker 3: the backfield. He was coming down to play the run
18:14
Speaker 3: on that Parker Washington touchdown that went for 51 yards.
18:18
Speaker 3: And then the second Washington touchdown, I want to say, like,
18:22
Speaker 3: Rick Wallen was there.
18:23
Speaker 4: He didn't get turned. He didn't turn around.
18:25
Speaker 3: I'm not 100% sure that if he does turn around,
18:27
Speaker 3: he makes the play. That is the knock on him
18:30
Speaker 3: with the deep ball and has been with Seattle. But
18:32
Speaker 3: you got to give Parker Washington made an unbelievable catch.
18:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, he makes a great play. This Jacksonville team's
18:40
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, we talked to Adam on Thursday.
18:43
Speaker 1: I think he said they're either his number one team
18:45
Speaker 1: or his number one team in the AFC.
18:47
Speaker 2: One or the other.
18:48
Speaker 1: Their Super Bowl odds, they have the sixth shortest odds
18:50
Speaker 1: in football to win the Super Bowl. It's a good
18:53
Speaker 1: team that you basically went toe-to-toe with for the most
18:55
Speaker 1: part defensively, I'd say.
18:57
Speaker 2: Offensively, I'll tell you what, Jeff.
19:00
Speaker 1: I could be encouraged and think, yes, I'm in the
19:02
Speaker 1: mix in the division because my defense is good enough.
19:07
Speaker 1: I have no– not 1%.
19:13
Speaker 2: Do I feel this offense is going to improve. Not one.
19:16
Speaker 1: Right.
19:17
Speaker 3: So, I mean, so you get an interesting case here
19:19
Speaker 3: in week six, right, where the Eagles are going to
19:22
Speaker 3: play the Panthers. Now, I'm sure everybody looked at that
19:24
Speaker 3: game before the year and was like, ha, that's an
19:26
Speaker 3: easy Eagles win, right? Well, the Panthers scored– I don't
19:30
Speaker 3: know if they scored the most points by average in
19:33
Speaker 3: the NFL, but certainly Bryce Young was leading– the NFL
19:36
Speaker 3: in yards per game.
19:37
Speaker 1: I mean, they can score, they can score, they can score.
19:40
Speaker 4: They'll have Coker, they'll have McMillan. They're coming up there by.
19:43
Speaker 3: So, uh, I mean, Trouble Hubbard does nothing but score
19:46
Speaker 3: touchdowns amazingly because he's not very explosive.
19:49
Speaker 4: So, what do you need from the Eagles' offense to
19:52
Speaker 4: be able to win this game? Do you need 24 points?
19:55
Speaker 3: Like, can the defense hold them at 21? And if
19:57
Speaker 3: that's the case, can you get 24 points?
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Speaker 4: Can you get 18 points? I just don't know at
20:02
Speaker 4: this point.
20:04
Speaker 1: It's so sad that this is the conversation, but it's
20:06
Speaker 1: a fair conversation. that I literally don't think offensively they
20:10
Speaker 1: can score. I mean, you just said it. Carolina can score.
20:13
Speaker 1: They can put up 30, 35 points in a game.
20:15
Speaker 1: I mean, now against this defense, maybe not. But it's
20:19
Speaker 1: a team that you will have to be able to
20:21
Speaker 1: score more than 17 points against to likely beat. And
20:26
Speaker 1: I have no feel at all that this, with Barkley,
20:30
Speaker 1: with Devontae, I don't know, like having Devontae Smith yesterday,
20:32
Speaker 1: does that change anything?
20:34
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely. I'll tell you where it changes something.
20:37
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
20:38
Speaker 4: I feel like Jalen Hurts is getting a little bit too...
20:40
Speaker 4: I don't know.
20:41
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the thing that everybody does. They default to
20:43
Speaker 3: the quarterback sucks when the team loses. But given the
20:47
Speaker 3: environment around him, I think Hurts is making more positives
20:51
Speaker 3: than negatives. Which is a good thing when the environment
20:55
Speaker 3: around him stinks. I think that if that's Devontae Smith
21:00
Speaker 3: lined up at the X receiver spot or outside receiver
21:03
Speaker 3: spot when the Jaguars are sending a cover zero blitz, meaning...
21:07
Speaker 3: man coverage right and everybody else is blitzing instead of
21:10
Speaker 3: Dontavion Wicks I think that that's a touchdown down the
21:13
Speaker 3: left sideline now you know Hurts put it up I
21:16
Speaker 3: don't think it was a bad ball he Wicks doesn't
21:19
Speaker 3: get under it because he's not as fast and explosive
21:21
Speaker 3: he's a good receiver but I mean I think those
21:23
Speaker 3: are the kind of plays in a close game that
21:26
Speaker 3: if you were throwing the ball Devante there don't you
21:29
Speaker 3: think he gets that ball like he's under that ball Probably.
21:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that he floats right, the 60-yard shot
21:35
Speaker 1: down the sideline where they got a clear touchdown.
21:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a touchdown, and maybe
21:40
Speaker 3: that puts the game away a lot easier.
21:42
Speaker 2: I guess that one's fair.
21:45
Speaker 1: Listen, it's not to say that these guys, you know,
21:46
Speaker 1: that Smith is considerably better than what they have, so
21:49
Speaker 1: maybe it's not fair to say even if he's out
21:51
Speaker 1: there things, but I don't know that getting Barkley changed
21:54
Speaker 1: as much.
21:54
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much.
21:55
Speaker 3: Well, I agree, and I'll just go back with Smith
21:58
Speaker 3: to say if Smith doesn't play in that Titans game,
22:02
Speaker 3: I don't know if the offense drives down the field
22:05
Speaker 3: to a touchdown because Smith was a big part of that.
22:08
Speaker 3: So if Smith plays in this game, the two or
22:11
Speaker 3: three cat, whatever catches he has, including that play there,
22:14
Speaker 3: maybe I think can at least get you the points
22:17
Speaker 3: you needed to win instead of losing another gut wrencher.
22:21
Speaker 4: But you're right. You're right to say though, but what
22:23
Speaker 4: does that mean?
22:24
Speaker 2: The longterm? I don't know.
22:25
Speaker 4: It means you beat a team. You should be, or
22:27
Speaker 4: a game that you should steal.
22:28
Speaker 3: You get, but you might lose a couple other games
22:30
Speaker 3: against teams that people think you're going to, You're going
22:32
Speaker 3: to easily win.
22:33
Speaker 4: You might lose.
22:34
Speaker 2: It's funny.
22:35
Speaker 1: The only time they had some fluidity in the offense
22:38
Speaker 1: was when they threw the ball to Lemon and he
22:41
Speaker 1: went out of bounds.
22:44
Speaker 4: Well, he had a nice opening drive.
22:46
Speaker 3: It was not the opening drive.
22:48
Speaker 1: No, the first quarter they had a good drive. I said, man,
22:53
Speaker 1: Hurts is throwing the ball. They look like they got
22:55
Speaker 1: a little something here. The throw he makes to Cooper.
22:57
Speaker 1: Cooper is a player, man. He obviously makes stuff happen.
23:01
Speaker 3: I think that if there's a takeaway from this is
23:04
Speaker 3: they have to figure out a way to continue to
23:06
Speaker 3: throw it to Cooper and get him schemed for the
23:09
Speaker 3: ball to go to him more often because he makes
23:12
Speaker 3: so many plays.
23:13
Speaker 1: So when Smith comes back, who snaps does Cooper get?
23:18
Speaker 4: Great question.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
23:21
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, I'm of the belief he's an
23:24
Speaker 4: outside receiver.
23:25
Speaker 3: You can put him in the slot and make him
23:27
Speaker 3: a dynamic power slot, but He looks like, to me,
23:29
Speaker 3: he can line up outside. I mean, that touchdown he
23:32
Speaker 3: caught was basically he beat the cornerback off the line
23:35
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. And I guess to cover one, great idea
23:38
Speaker 3: by Hertz to throw it down the sideline.
23:40
Speaker 1: Great idea by Hertz to get it, see the one-on-one,
23:43
Speaker 1: and then he makes that catch and just breaks free.
23:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
23:46
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you struggle to score offense. I know
23:49
Speaker 3: Makai Lemon's a first-round pick, and he's starting to give
23:52
Speaker 3: you some underneath.
23:53
Speaker 4: But maybe it's Wicks that you do.
23:55
Speaker 2: I don't know.
23:56
Speaker 4: But they've got to figure out a way to get
23:57
Speaker 4: him the ball. He's good.
23:59
Speaker 1: And late drive, the 17-yard throw to Goddard. I mean,
24:02
Speaker 1: great pass protection. Hurts steps up and fired that baby
24:05
Speaker 1: in there. And it's like, man, there you go. That's
24:07
Speaker 1: the throw. That's when you need them. But obviously it
24:11
Speaker 1: ends in disaster yesterday. All right, plenty more on Football
24:15
Speaker 1: at Four this week. They're getting ready for Carolina, who
24:16
Speaker 1: averages 30 points a game, by the way, over 400
24:19
Speaker 1: yards per game on offense. The Eagles, by the way,
24:22
Speaker 1: had 232 yards of offense yesterday.
24:25
Speaker 2: Yikes. All right. More over at phillyvoice.com. Read Jeff Mosher.
24:29
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24:33
Speaker 2: Thanks, man.
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Speaker 1: All right, man.
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Speaker 4: Take care.
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Speaker 2: There he is, Jeff Mosher.