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Best of Chuck & Buck 1-29 · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Listen to this place.
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Speaker 2: Desperation for Stafford eight seconds left loaded up near side napoles.
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Speaker 1: He had about for god.
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Speaker 3: Three seconds looking in the cup.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it to Seahawks.
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Speaker 3: Sir to Super Bowl sixty Kevin Burkhard and a former
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Speaker 3: Patriot on the call of the Fox call of the.
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Speaker 1: NFC Conference Championship.
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Speaker 3: Game, which came out with the Seahawks on top Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl sixty.
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Speaker 1: The countdown continues.
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Speaker 3: We're ten sleeps away from Seahawks versus Patriots, and we're
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Speaker 1: It a lot. Good morning.
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Speaker 3: It is Chuck, Buck and Ashley with you here on
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Speaker 3: this Thursday, coming up at eight o'clock today.
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Speaker 1: We've done it all season long.
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Speaker 3: Bring in our insider, our top analyst, Hugh Mellen as well,
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Speaker 3: and we break down the Seahawks the week that was
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Speaker 3: with those two gentlemen. So from eight to nine today,
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Speaker 3: the twelfth man Roundtable comes your way, which means our
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Speaker 3: Seahawks insider Greg Bell. We don't double dip with him
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Speaker 3: on Thursdays. He won't be joining us at seven oh
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Speaker 3: five today, but we do have a special guest to
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Speaker 3: talk some Seahawks football here in a little bit we'll
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Speaker 3: brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps Light. Certainly, super
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Speaker 3: Bowl sixty is the headline and will be for the
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Speaker 3: foreseeable future, ten days away from kickoff from Santa.
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Speaker 1: Clara, California.
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Speaker 3: Of course, KJR House will be installed by next week,
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Speaker 3: so our broadcast will be held from Santa Clara Monday
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Speaker 3: through Friday of next week. The entire staff heading down
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Speaker 3: there for Super Bowl number sixty, And of course it's
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a different schedule this week. Injury
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Speaker 3: reports something that we're really not jumping toward, but there
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Speaker 3: was a little bit of information. A lot of guys
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Speaker 3: held out of practice here the last couple of days.
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Speaker 3: Think the big concern is Drake Thomas who left the
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Speaker 3: game had to be replaced by Tyrese Knight on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: He's had such a.
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Speaker 3: Good season this year, it would be a shame if
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Speaker 3: he couldn't go for the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet I don't you know, neither team is
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Speaker 4: going to be able to go in there at one
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Speaker 4: hundred percent full strength, But that would be a loss
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Speaker 4: for sure. The way in which he's kind of stepped
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Speaker 4: up when needed.
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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Seahawks, of course the big story.
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Speaker 3: But Mel Belichick stole a lot of headlines from the
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Belichick Gate, vote gate, whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 3: Anytime Bill Belichick's involved in controversy, you've got to call
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Speaker 3: it something gate.
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Speaker 1: So we'll call it vote gate. He did not get
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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, not on the first ballot.
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Speaker 3: There were some explanations that maybe we're passable as to
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Speaker 3: why he wasn't voted in. We will discuss those a
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Speaker 3: little bit later on this hour. We still don't know
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Speaker 3: if Robert Kraft is getting in this year on the
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame ballot, and of course all the Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame entries will be revealed during Super Bowl Week
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Speaker 3: tonight at seven o'clock and you can hear the action
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Speaker 3: point three KHARFM. Right now, joining us on the program
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Speaker 3: to talk some Seahawks football and follow me with this.
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Speaker 3: His name is Dan Larson. He is the current off
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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator at North Dakota State University. But he hasn't
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Speaker 3: always been the OC bucky. He's been a tight ends coach,
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Speaker 3: fullbacks coach, kind of all three at once at times.
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Speaker 1: But from twenty twenty through twenty.
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Speaker 3: Twenty four, our next guest was the offensive line coach
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Speaker 3: for North Dakota State.
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Speaker 1: Which suggests that he in some.
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Speaker 3: Part has helped provide us forty percent of our starting
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Speaker 3: offensive line for the Seattle Seahawks. So joining us now
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Speaker 3: on the program is Dan Larson to talk some Seahawks football.
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Speaker 1: Good morning, coach, Good morning.
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Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys having me on.
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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for being with us. We appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: So you coach, to Jalen Sundell and Gray Zabel, I mean,
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Speaker 3: thank you for the job.
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Speaker 1: Well done. Was it always a walk in the park?
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Speaker 3: I mean, did they land on your doorstep ready for
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Speaker 3: the National Football League coach?
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Speaker 5: You know, it was not always walk in the park.
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Speaker 5: And I think when I moved over to offensive line
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Speaker 5: and we played the spring season in twenty twenty, and
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Speaker 5: that was I've been coaching for eighteen plus years a
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Speaker 5: variety of roles, never coached offensive line, and kind of
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Speaker 5: the way that things worked out. That was my first
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Speaker 5: foray into coaching offensive line. It was also Jalen's first
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Speaker 5: foray into playing center. And we had about two weeks
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Speaker 5: to kind of get our bearings underneath us and start
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Speaker 5: working together and you know, starting to get to know
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Speaker 5: each other a little bit more. Even though you're on staff,
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Speaker 5: you're not quite coaching those guys up close and personal
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Speaker 5: obviously every day. And we got kind of thrown in
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Speaker 5: the fire together. And on top of that, we had
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Speaker 5: to play some young guys and one of those young
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Speaker 5: guys was Gray, and Gray ended up becoming a starter
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Speaker 5: for us as a true freshman in that spring COVID year.
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Speaker 5: So all three of us kind of you know, jumping
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Speaker 5: into the mix, so to speak, together with some you know,
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Speaker 5: nuances and some things to learn about each other, but
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Speaker 5: also doing a lot of things that were considered to
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Speaker 5: be first to see where they're at now. It's pretty cool.
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Speaker 4: Dan, I played baseball at a small school, and so
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Speaker 4: I kind of I have an affinity for programs like
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Speaker 4: North Dakota State. I mean, you guys are bigger than
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Speaker 4: the Ania school that I went to, and yet the
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Speaker 4: idea of coaching guys that maybe are overlooked by bigger programs,
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Speaker 4: I think that's always an intriguing thing. And so when
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Speaker 4: when you are doing what you're doing there and you
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Speaker 4: guys are kind of running the show at the level
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Speaker 4: that you're playing at, I mean, what kind of thing
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Speaker 4: do you see that's different about these two guys in
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Speaker 4: particular that Seahawk fans are growing to love that, maybe
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Speaker 4: as a chip on their shoulder or maybe a way
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Speaker 4: in which they went about their business to go out
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Speaker 4: there and prove everybody wrong that they're worthy of playing
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Speaker 4: at the highest level.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: You know, the one thing I always go back to
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Speaker 5: with Gray is that he was a pitcher in baseball,
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Speaker 5: and I wasn't as involved in the recruiting process with
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Speaker 5: him as the elephansive line coach at that point in
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Speaker 5: time was but I do remember, you know, conversations or
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Speaker 5: getting on FaceTime with him a couple of times, and
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Speaker 5: you know, just the fact that he always wanted the
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Speaker 5: ball in his hand in big situations. You know, I
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Speaker 5: remember asking him some point about what he loved about
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Speaker 5: baseball and you know, pitching particularly, and you know, talking
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Speaker 5: about you know, having an opportunity to strike somebody out
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Speaker 5: or having the ball in his hands when big moments,
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Speaker 5: you know, started up. And I thought that always kind
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Speaker 5: of spoke to him a little bit, like the moment
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Speaker 5: wasn't never too big. It was the same way when
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Speaker 5: we asked him to start for us as a freshman,
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Speaker 5: you know, having been in college for a total of
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Speaker 5: six months, seven months, you know that he was ready
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Speaker 5: to go chop at the bed, uber competitive and not
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Speaker 5: afraid of any kind of challenge and not backing down
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Speaker 5: from any challenge. And you know, Jalen just I think
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Speaker 5: Jalen's just always had that desire to keep pushing himself.
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Speaker 5: I think there's a curious aspect to him of just
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Speaker 5: continuing to get better and doing something different. He wanted
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Speaker 5: to challenge a playing center, even though it wasn't a
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Speaker 5: position that they had brought him in for. But I
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Speaker 5: think it was his ability to be the communicator at
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Speaker 5: to line of scrimmage, be the guy that was helping
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Speaker 5: everybody kind of get going in the right direction from
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Speaker 5: an id standpoint in combos, and it was a challenge.
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Speaker 5: And you know, his senior year, we asked him moved
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Speaker 5: from center to left tackle, and he's probably an All
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Speaker 5: American center and we asked him to move to left
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Speaker 5: tackle for the betterment of the team and the offensive line,
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Speaker 5: and jumped right at that chance as well too. They're
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Speaker 5: just the two guys that I think enjoy the competitive
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Speaker 5: aspect of football. Two different personalities, but when you go
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Speaker 5: on the football field and how they want to play
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Speaker 5: and how they want to compete really really similar.
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Speaker 3: Dan Larson is with US offensive coordinator for North Dakota
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Speaker 3: State University football, but he was the offensive line coach
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Speaker 3: from twenty twenty through twenty twenty four, which means he
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Speaker 3: coached up both Jalen Sundel and Gray Zabel to NFL standards.
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Speaker 3: And he's joining us here on the radio program. I
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Speaker 3: trust that you and most of North Dakota State have
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Speaker 3: become Seahawk fans.
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Speaker 5: Is that true big Seahawks fans.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you still got the boot a boot you So
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Speaker 3: I didn't know if you were still leaning Vikings or CFL.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that we've turned some
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Speaker 3: Seahawks fans up there.
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Speaker 1: When did you know? When did you know in the coaching.
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Speaker 3: Process that hey, I'm just not coaching some college stars here.
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Speaker 3: I got a couple of guys, particularly Zabel because he
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Speaker 3: was the tenth overall pick in the draft. For goodness sake,
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Speaker 3: When did you know that you had two guys that
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Speaker 3: had futures playing on Sundays?
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Speaker 5: You know, it's probably just the beauty of North Dakota State.
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Speaker 5: We never think the guys are good enough to do anything,
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Speaker 5: so we just keep pushing them to a standard that
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Speaker 5: we believe is just you know, can you just keep
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Speaker 5: getting a little better and continue to improve? But I
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Speaker 5: think what I saw, you know, when you saw Grave
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Speaker 5: really start going through this draft process a little bit,
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Speaker 5: and you know the way that people are talking about
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Speaker 5: some of the interview processes, I think you just start
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Speaker 5: in a little bit of what they're looking for. And
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Speaker 5: when I was fortune to fi able to go down
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Speaker 5: and watch him in in the Senior Bowl week. I
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Speaker 5: think that's when it really like kind of even dawned
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Speaker 5: on me from a standpoint of like, man, this this
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Speaker 5: this guy's in NFL, like he can do it at
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Speaker 5: a really high level. And I think it was his competitiveness,
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Speaker 5: the fact that he jumped in there. He's still playing
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Speaker 5: the same way he played the NDSU with the smile
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Speaker 5: on the space. When when I watched Jalen run from
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Speaker 5: a center standpoint, and then you kind of start watching
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Speaker 5: even some of the other guys at the FBS level
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Speaker 5: and even some of the guys at the NFL level,
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Speaker 5: I thought, you know, his athleticism from the center position,
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Speaker 5: I did think was going to allow him a chance
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Speaker 5: to play. And again, we probably don't ever share We
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Speaker 5: don't ever share those things with the players. We probably
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Speaker 5: just tell them, you know, like, hey, you got to
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Speaker 5: do it a little bit better if you if you
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Speaker 5: want to play at the next level. But there were
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Speaker 5: two really special athletes and just really different positions, but
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Speaker 5: you could there were some things that kind of stand
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Speaker 5: out to you. They're like, holy smokes, these guys got
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Speaker 5: a chance.
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Speaker 4: We're talking to Dan Larson, the offensive coordinator at North
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Speaker 4: Dakota State, university and talking about the couple of guys
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Speaker 4: that on the offensive line for the Seahawks here that
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Speaker 4: have are are going to help win a super Bowl,
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Speaker 4: hopefully for the city. I'm curious, when have you got
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Speaker 4: to talk to these guys. I mean, it wasn't that
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Speaker 4: long ago. Obviously, Gray is Abel was just there and
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Speaker 4: Sunday wasn't there much before that. But I'm wondering if
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Speaker 4: you got to talk to him recently and find out
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Speaker 4: how much they're enjoying, you know, being side by side
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Speaker 4: and going out there and leading a team to.
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Speaker 1: The super Bowl.
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Speaker 5: Well, I talked to it. I had a chance to
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Speaker 5: catch up in between some recruiting stops this week with
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Speaker 5: Gray and listening to them kind of make the family
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Speaker 5: plans And you know, coach, how cool is this pretty cool?
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Speaker 5: It's uh, you know, it's still a little bit of
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Speaker 5: the down to earth mentality I love about him. You know,
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Speaker 5: Jalen's journey obviously to get there. So I think it's
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Speaker 5: just an appreciation aspect from him of the spot that
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Speaker 5: he's in. But you know, in their own ways communicating
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Speaker 5: with with me is it's still like you've got to
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Speaker 5: go win the next game. And I think they have
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Speaker 5: a level of groundedness that allows them to still enjoy it,
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Speaker 5: but also understand we got two weeks to work to
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Speaker 5: go win a game. And I firmly believe like that's
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Speaker 5: a part of them that's allowed them to be a
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Speaker 5: professional to the level that they're at currently this year
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Speaker 5: is because they've kind of stayed grounded and just kept
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Speaker 5: working ahead. But yeah, when you start talking about travel
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Speaker 5: plans and tickets, it's pretty interesting to listen to how
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Speaker 5: that all it works out at the NFL level.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how cool is that? But I mean
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Speaker 3: how unbelievable is it to you? I mean, it's one
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Speaker 3: thing just to get a guy into the National Football League,
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Speaker 3: but have them land on the same team and to
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Speaker 3: play right next to each other when they were roommates
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Speaker 3: back in college. I mean, how unbelievable is this to you?
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Speaker 3: Is it sort of mind blowing? You're gonna be watching
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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl next Sunday and two of your guys
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Speaker 3: are going to be in the frame together every time
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks are on the football field. How just crazy
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Speaker 3: is it for you to see this come together?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 5: I would never share this with them, but the first
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Speaker 5: game that they started. You know, I paused the TV
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Speaker 5: and I took a picture and uh, you know, there's
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Speaker 5: a it was a little part of me that got
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Speaker 5: you know, it's emotional because you know they're chasing dreams.
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Speaker 5: But like you said, it's it's a we're in a
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Speaker 5: really small profession, it's a small community, and so I
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Speaker 5: think when you see guys have success, you cheer for them.
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Speaker 5: But to see those two guys kind of line up
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Speaker 5: together and it's a little bit of the pride of
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Speaker 5: North Dakota State and where these guys came from and
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Speaker 5: knowing what they both went through in order to get there,
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Speaker 5: it's really special and it's incredibly cool. I never miss
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Speaker 5: an opportunity to turn it on and watch them back,
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Speaker 5: and if I can catch a live game, that's all
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Speaker 5: that much better. But yeah, it's it'll be it'll be
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Speaker 5: pretty surreal to watch it. I know there's gonna be
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Speaker 5: a lot of Bison fans. They're gonna be cheering really
14:50
Speaker 5: loud to see two of their own and guys that
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Speaker 5: they've watched. You know, there'll be a big contingent obviously
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Speaker 5: cheering for the Seahawks coming from the state of North Dakota.
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Speaker 4: Nice has anyway from the Seahawks contacted you about your
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Speaker 4: ring size because I mean the the well, I don't
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Speaker 4: put your phone on silent, because I mean, we've been
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Speaker 4: talking about a porous offensive line for the Seahokes for
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Speaker 4: a while now, and then little did everybody know they
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Speaker 4: just needed to come and get a couple of proteges
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Speaker 4: that Dan Larson's touched.
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Speaker 1: Get a couple of bison. And now you're going.
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Speaker 4: To the back to the super Bowl. So I mean,
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Speaker 4: if you want, you can just tell us what your
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Speaker 4: ring size is. We'll pass it along.
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Speaker 1: I said.
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Speaker 5: I told Grant, I said, hey, you guys, you know
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Speaker 5: if your guys's moods or eagles that were just getting
15:35
Speaker 5: checked and they just need to hire somebody to bring
15:37
Speaker 5: you guys down a couple of pigs, just let them
15:38
Speaker 5: know my numbers available.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it, but you.
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Speaker 5: Know, it's been it's been fun watching them play.
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Speaker 3: But you know what, coach our impression of them is
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Speaker 3: that we'll never have to worry about that, That those
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Speaker 3: two guys are so down to earth, and if one isn't,
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Speaker 3: I think the other one checks the other guys.
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Speaker 1: Am I are we right about that?
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Speaker 3: Or you know, is there any chance that you know,
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Speaker 3: Gray's Abel five years from now is gonna roll up
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Speaker 3: in North Dakota State and you know, t bird, you know,
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Speaker 3: wings are gonna come up from his car and you know,
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Speaker 3: and he's gonna roll out of there with like, you know, uh,
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Speaker 3: some sort of Hollywood's starlett. I mean, what what uh
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Speaker 3: do we have to worry at all that these guys
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Speaker 3: will ever have their egos get away from them.
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Speaker 5: When I talked to Grade this past week, he was
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Speaker 5: talking about trying to buy some more land of farm
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Speaker 5: on back in South Dakota. So no, I don't think
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Speaker 5: you uh, I don't think you're gonna have to worry
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Speaker 5: about that normal normal we uh. You know, they both
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Speaker 5: come from great families, hard working families. They're level headed.
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Speaker 5: They just happen to be really good football players.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's got to take his Hollywood starlett out to
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Speaker 3: the farm. He's got to you know, you gotta put
16:49
Speaker 3: her up somewhere. Uh.
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Speaker 5: He wants if he can ride in the tractor, that
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Speaker 5: she could probably handle him.
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Speaker 3: Uh all right, well, coach, thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: your time. We appreciate it. Where are you going to
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Speaker 3: take the Super Bowl in from? Where are you gonna
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Speaker 3: be sitting for it.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think we're all going to try to get
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Speaker 5: together at one of our coaches houses and uh and
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Speaker 5: have a chance to watch it down the basement. So
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Speaker 5: we're there's a couple of us that are still here
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Speaker 5: from when Jalen and Gray both played, and then there's
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Speaker 5: a lot of us obviously that are here from when
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Speaker 5: when Gray was here. And yeah, it'll it'll be fun.
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Speaker 5: I'm hoping for the coach, Paul Sacker head coach doesn't
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Speaker 5: have us come into early on Monday morning to start work.
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Speaker 3: Well, enjoy it, uh, and yeah, be proud of it.
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Speaker 3: I know that you are, and uh, you've got a
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Speaker 3: great program there. Just keep on doing great things.
17:37
Speaker 5: I appreciate your guys' times too, and and everything that
17:40
Speaker 5: you guys do to help those guys. And yeah, be
17:42
Speaker 5: a fun Sunday. And certainly hoping you guys are planning
17:45
Speaker 5: the parade here coming up?
17:46
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, we hope see you there. Yeah, we
17:48
Speaker 3: at least got to get to the parade.
17:50
Speaker 5: Coach, right, that's right, all right, all right, thanks guys.
17:53
Speaker 3: Dan Larson joining us right here on the Chuck and
17:56
Speaker 3: Buck in the morning, offensive coordinator for North Dakota stay,
17:59
Speaker 3: but we had them on because he was the offensive
18:00
Speaker 3: line coach in North Dakota State when both Jalen Sundell
18:04
Speaker 3: and Gray z Abel were coming up through the program.
18:06
Speaker 3: And that's forty percent of our starting offensive line. And
18:08
Speaker 3: I would like to say, without hesitation, forty percent of
18:12
Speaker 3: the first starting offensive line that Seahawk fans have liked
18:16
Speaker 3: since I arrived here ten years ago. I mean I
18:18
Speaker 3: came here after two Super Bowl appearances back to back.
18:22
Speaker 3: My first show is like two weeks after the second
18:24
Speaker 3: Super Bowl appearance. And I know for a fact how
18:28
Speaker 3: many Seahawk fans could not stand their offensive line from
18:31
Speaker 3: a super Bowl team. And then we have heard the criticism.
18:35
Speaker 3: We have discussed it on Monday mornings. We have discussed
18:37
Speaker 3: it in the off season, We discussed it this offseason.
18:40
Speaker 3: I mean, it was one of the big topics during draft,
18:43
Speaker 3: miss do you get the offensive lineman? Do you use
18:46
Speaker 3: the high draft capital to finally get a piece in
18:49
Speaker 3: the offensive line, which is what they did. And this
18:51
Speaker 3: is the first season in ten years that I've been
18:53
Speaker 3: here where we have not made this a running conversation
18:58
Speaker 3: how bad the Seahawks offensive line is. And those two
19:01
Speaker 3: obviously have had a lot to do with it. Thank
19:04
Speaker 3: you North Dakota.
19:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I thank you Dan Larson, Thank you
19:07
Speaker 4: North Dakota State. It has been an ongoing thing and
19:10
Speaker 4: understandably so, I think that it's hard to it's not
19:13
Speaker 4: that easy to find these guys. Now, if you use
19:17
Speaker 4: a top pick in the in the first round, then
19:19
Speaker 4: you better hope top ten pick, you better hope you
19:21
Speaker 4: don't miss on that. But we've seen this team miss
19:24
Speaker 4: with the first round picks on the offensive line.
19:27
Speaker 1: It's not that they haven't invested.
19:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's not like they haven't invested, but
19:31
Speaker 4: they've done well. I mean, the Charles Cross one is
19:33
Speaker 4: working out, Abe Lucas is working out. Gray's abel looks
19:36
Speaker 4: like it's working out great. Uh and Jalen Shundel looks
19:39
Speaker 4: like it's a you know, found in a diamond in
19:41
Speaker 4: the rough, so to speak, because they didn't use a
19:43
Speaker 4: ton on that and yet I mean, you know, he
19:46
Speaker 4: went out there and took the job from Olul Timmy
19:49
Speaker 4: who won the what Remington Award, the one the most
19:52
Speaker 4: outstanding center in.
19:53
Speaker 3: The country, both Remington's for the center and Outlands for
19:58
Speaker 3: the interior. Offense, civilre defensive line.
20:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:01
Speaker 4: So I mean the guy wins that, it's all this
20:03
Speaker 4: highly touted thing. And then you got this guy coming
20:05
Speaker 4: in from from North Dakota State, Like, I'm just gonna
20:08
Speaker 4: go ahead and take that job. You don't if you
20:11
Speaker 4: don't improve from whatever it was you did in college. Fine,
20:14
Speaker 4: all the accolades you got.
20:15
Speaker 1: Just gonna plow that field. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm
20:17
Speaker 1: gonna do.
20:17
Speaker 4: Maybe have a beer, Just go ahead and steer wrestle.
20:21
Speaker 4: This feller in front of me right here.
20:23
Speaker 6: Steer wrestling.
20:25
Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have him on.
20:28
Speaker 3: Great to have them all. That was fun and and
20:30
Speaker 3: it's great to have Gray's Abel and Jalen Sundell a
20:33
Speaker 3: part of the team. It's great that North Dakota has
20:35
Speaker 3: turned into Seahawks fans because a lot of them I
20:37
Speaker 3: think we're making a mistake for years being Vikings fans.
20:40
Speaker 6: That's fair, fools. That's all right. They've righted the ship.
20:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, figured it out.
20:45
Speaker 6: Never too late.
20:46
Speaker 1: They are on the right team now, all right.
20:48
Speaker 3: Coming up next here on the radio program, we started
20:51
Speaker 3: a series on Tuesday, and I think it's a necessary one.
20:55
Speaker 3: Might not be the most most comfortable of conversations to have,
21:00
Speaker 3: but we're only going to do it this week. We're
21:01
Speaker 3: going to get it out there, and then next week
21:04
Speaker 3: it's all about just building the hype train all the
21:06
Speaker 3: way up.
21:07
Speaker 1: To the game.
21:08
Speaker 3: So we will continue with installment number three of a
21:11
Speaker 3: series of unfortunate Super Bowl conversations next on KJR. Really
21:17
Speaker 3: not focus on them next week, but I think that
21:19
Speaker 3: there are conversations that should be held right here on
21:23
Speaker 3: the radio program and on the radio station. Of course,
21:27
Speaker 3: if you are looking to go to Super Bowl sixty,
21:30
Speaker 3: you can't make it to Santa Clara for whatever reason,
21:33
Speaker 3: or don't want to watch it at home, want to
21:35
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21:41
Speaker 3: They got the DraftKings sportsbook right there at your fingertips
21:45
Speaker 3: at Talala p Resort Casino. Sports betting is more than
21:48
Speaker 3: just a game, It's an experience. And yeah, I've always
21:52
Speaker 3: told people that if you really need to be a
21:53
Speaker 3: part of the energy and the enthusiasm, you can go
21:56
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl or I mean, I lived in
21:59
Speaker 3: Vegas for good s. The casino is such a fun
22:02
Speaker 3: place to take in a major sporting event.
22:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you've done too good of a job of
22:07
Speaker 4: promoting our friends at tu Leila, because I'm pretty sure
22:10
Speaker 4: they're already sold out of the sports book.
22:12
Speaker 1: Is that right? Now?
22:14
Speaker 4: You go there, lay some duckets down, and then go
22:17
Speaker 4: to whatever house party you're going to go to.
22:19
Speaker 1: Okay, it may be still at.
22:21
Speaker 6: The casino and taking the atmosphere to.
22:22
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And I'm sure you can find a way.
22:25
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like you maybe won't get a table,
22:28
Speaker 4: reserve someone's shoulders. I would say shoulders, I would say piggybacks.
22:32
Speaker 4: I would say just belly, just belly up to the bar,
22:35
Speaker 4: get cozy in there, you know what I mean. I'm
22:37
Speaker 4: sure that they probably have a capacity thing. That's why
22:39
Speaker 4: they're towing us. Hey we're already sold out.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, just overflow that bad boy.
22:44
Speaker 6: All right?
22:44
Speaker 1: Well, you know what if.
22:45
Speaker 3: The fire Marshall, you know, if Marshall, if people can't
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Speaker 3: get in, that just makes me look better.
22:53
Speaker 1: Anyway.
22:54
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about a series of unfortunate super Bowl conversations.
22:58
Speaker 3: So we've already had to this week, and I'm going
23:00
Speaker 3: to bring up a third. But I think this one
23:04
Speaker 3: ends on a really good note. Okay, by the way,
23:07
Speaker 3: when I arrived in town, I arrived with a back
23:10
Speaker 3: to back Super Bowl team here in Seattle, and obviously everybody's.
23:14
Speaker 1: Coming off the second one.
23:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that was just nothing. But I can't
23:19
Speaker 3: believe it. Anger kind of was the prevailing thought. That's
23:23
Speaker 3: when I first arrived on Seattle soil to live here,
23:26
Speaker 3: and I've been here now for a decade. But I
23:29
Speaker 3: also arrived with a little different opinion and surrounded by people,
23:34
Speaker 3: certainly in my town in Arizona, that had a little
23:38
Speaker 3: different opinion about your football team than you did. Yeah,
23:41
Speaker 3: the truth of the matter was that that if you didn't,
23:45
Speaker 3: if you weren't a Sea Hawk fan and didn't grow
23:47
Speaker 3: up a Seahawk fan and didn't fall in love with
23:49
Speaker 3: that team. And I understand why you did. Incredible players,
23:54
Speaker 3: several Hall of famers on that team, you know, they
24:00
Speaker 3: that team should have been a dynasty in my opinion,
24:02
Speaker 3: But most of the country.
24:04
Speaker 1: Couldn't stand the Seahawks.
24:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, couldn't take him, couldn't take the Marshawn Lynch, even
24:08
Speaker 3: though I now get why you love him.
24:10
Speaker 1: So much after being around him.
24:13
Speaker 3: But I couldn't understand it when I lived states away
24:16
Speaker 3: why he was loved so much. Sherman obviously was a
24:20
Speaker 3: huge talker, and I think even made Seahawks fans uncomfortable
24:24
Speaker 3: at times. Earl had his issues, Russell had his issues. Certainly,
24:30
Speaker 3: it wasn't the most liked team from coast to coast
24:34
Speaker 3: unlike this one.
24:36
Speaker 6: Yeah.
24:37
Speaker 3: I think this is about as likable a team as
24:41
Speaker 3: you could have at the football level. And it's not
24:44
Speaker 3: just because I've been here ten years and I'm flying
24:46
Speaker 3: the banner and flying the sigil and wearing the colors
24:50
Speaker 3: and now I'm a Seahawk fan. I try my damnedest
24:55
Speaker 3: to approach this job unbiased.
24:58
Speaker 1: I really do.
24:59
Speaker 3: Whether it comes cross us or not, I'm not the
25:01
Speaker 3: one I guess to judge me, But my goodness, is
25:05
Speaker 3: this team likable. From the conversation we just had about
25:07
Speaker 3: Gray's abel and Jalen Sundell, I mean we have a
25:10
Speaker 3: starting a possible offensive rookie of the year type left
25:14
Speaker 3: guard who still thinks he's a farmer. First, I'm a farmer,
25:19
Speaker 3: and then I'm an NFL on the side, I played
25:22
Speaker 3: offensive guard. And then his best buddy is his center,
25:27
Speaker 3: who plays right next to him, who came from the
25:30
Speaker 3: same college where they were roommates and had to eat
25:33
Speaker 3: top ramen and a lot of it to maintain three
25:35
Speaker 3: hundred Ernest Jones like sitting there after the Super Bowl
25:41
Speaker 3: playing with his kid, you know, in the confetti, and
25:45
Speaker 3: yet arguably the toughest guy out there always has his
25:49
Speaker 3: team's back.
25:50
Speaker 6: Yep.
25:51
Speaker 1: Love the way that he talks.
25:53
Speaker 3: To the media and drops the f bombs and you know,
25:55
Speaker 3: just straight right to the point.
25:58
Speaker 1: I love that about him.
26:00
Speaker 3: Williams and Julian Love, I mean openly have thanked the
26:04
Speaker 3: Seahawks for bringing them to Seattle. How many veterans do that? Yeah,
26:08
Speaker 3: And these are two guys that are self aware, aware
26:11
Speaker 3: of their surroundings, Like, man, you guys really did us
26:15
Speaker 3: a favor, thank you for bringing us here. DeMarcus Lawrence
26:18
Speaker 3: sort of the same way that he's acted. Sam Darnold,
26:21
Speaker 3: the guy of unflappable confidence and unwaiverable kindness JSN. I
26:27
Speaker 3: don't know there's a more enjoyable football player to watch
26:30
Speaker 3: in the world than Jackson Smith and Jigba. And the
26:33
Speaker 3: way that every analyst who might call his game for
26:36
Speaker 3: the first time just sits there with their jaw dropped open.
26:39
Speaker 3: I think he might be the most fun player to
26:41
Speaker 3: watch play football in the entire NFL. Spoon and Emon Warri,
26:45
Speaker 3: I mean toughness, instincts, versatility, even the way that the
26:49
Speaker 3: rookie Emon Woarri told Rik Wooland we don't play that way.
26:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, get your act together.
26:55
Speaker 3: Drake Thomas and Tyokatta guys who I thought literally stunk
27:00
Speaker 3: as football players, and look what they have contributed by
27:03
Speaker 3: getting better every single week. I mean, tyle Katta was
27:07
Speaker 3: huge to this team, filling in the gaps. And Drake
27:09
Speaker 3: Thomas is still the starting linebacker.
27:12
Speaker 1: On this football team.
27:14
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup the guy, the Eastern Washington local kid who
27:18
Speaker 3: became Super Bowl MVP and then returns home and ends
27:22
Speaker 3: up being you know, like Caine from Kung Fu, imparting
27:26
Speaker 3: his wisdom wherever he goes with this self awareness and
27:30
Speaker 3: this this unbelievable selflessness that he operates with. Even Aj
27:37
Speaker 3: Barner with his swagger. He's considered the guy with the
27:39
Speaker 3: most swagger on the entire football team.
27:41
Speaker 1: From what I understand, I love his version of swagger.
27:44
Speaker 1: I love it.
27:45
Speaker 3: I mean this is a really difficult team not to like.
27:50
Speaker 3: So the first team that the last team that made
27:53
Speaker 3: it to the Super Bowl was an easy team for
27:56
Speaker 3: people across the country not to like. This team is
27:59
Speaker 3: so impossible not to like from the coaches and everything else.
28:03
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just been a fun ride. And it's
28:06
Speaker 3: not just because.
28:06
Speaker 1: They're good guys. They got great spirit.
28:09
Speaker 3: They're also incredibly talented, incredibly good at their jobs, and
28:15
Speaker 3: they're also team guys. Team guys first. What John Schneider's
28:19
Speaker 3: done to put this group together is going to be
28:21
Speaker 3: studied for the rest of history, because I just think
28:24
Speaker 3: it's one of the most enjoyable, likable teams to have
28:27
Speaker 3: watched for.
28:28
Speaker 4: A season in my entire lifetime. Well, I'm with you
28:31
Speaker 4: on about ninety nine percent of that. The folks that
28:34
Speaker 4: you're talking about, there's but we don't need to focus
28:37
Speaker 4: on that. I love a lot of the players on
28:40
Speaker 4: this team, the way that they go about their business.
28:42
Speaker 1: I mean, it starts. It starts at the coach, right.
28:45
Speaker 4: I think the way Mike McDonald just approaches it, the
28:48
Speaker 4: way in which he comes across with a kind of
28:51
Speaker 4: a soft spoken confidence for such a young coach, a
28:55
Speaker 4: first time coach, trickles down through it. It's the idea
28:59
Speaker 4: of of when you know people were calling from other teams,
29:03
Speaker 4: when you know when Cooper cup is getting a phone
29:08
Speaker 4: call and he's talking to talking to Ernest Jones, and
29:13
Speaker 4: I do we're at on the cusp of this thing,
29:14
Speaker 4: and I mean, we're out on the customer going to
29:16
Speaker 4: super Bowl like that to me is coming from leadership.
29:19
Speaker 4: That's It's not that leadership told him to say it.
29:21
Speaker 4: He's feeling that we're on the cusp of something big here,
29:25
Speaker 4: and so that kind of permeates throughout the whole, the
29:27
Speaker 4: whole squad. And I do think that there's a lot
29:29
Speaker 4: of I don't know, if you want to say underdogs.
29:31
Speaker 4: A guy like Gray's Abel and Jennis Hundell. We just
29:33
Speaker 4: talked to one of his coaches. Those guys, for sure
29:37
Speaker 4: are right. You just don't see typically two guys from
29:40
Speaker 4: the same program, a small program like that, even though
29:43
Speaker 4: they're really good at that level. You just don't typically
29:45
Speaker 4: see two of those guys anchoring and taking what was
29:49
Speaker 4: the weakness, if you will, for the last decade and
29:51
Speaker 4: turn it into something that most certainly hasn't been talked
29:54
Speaker 4: about as a weakness and playing in the Super Bowl
29:56
Speaker 4: and leading a team to, you know, be viewed as
29:59
Speaker 4: probably the best team in the NFL at this point
30:00
Speaker 4: in time. I think the Sam Darnold effect of a
30:04
Speaker 4: comeback story that you know you're getting Act two, or
30:07
Speaker 4: maybe it's Act two and a half. If if Act
30:10
Speaker 4: two started in Minnesota after the failure when he first
30:13
Speaker 4: came out of college, that's awesome. You're right about Jackson
30:15
Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba. I mean, there's a you gotta have
30:18
Speaker 4: swagger in this game. You gotta have There's there's so
30:21
Speaker 4: much emotion that goes into.
30:23
Speaker 1: It that you gotta have that you want it.
30:27
Speaker 4: There's a line that's basically where I think there's a
30:30
Speaker 4: line that doesn't need to be crossed of where it's
30:34
Speaker 4: more than emotion, it is taunting, or it is it's
30:37
Speaker 4: being over the top.
30:38
Speaker 1: I can that's it, and then we can deal with
30:42
Speaker 1: one little problem.
30:43
Speaker 6: It seems like his teammates are gonna.
30:44
Speaker 4: Be Yeah, well, I think Devin Witherspoon, I think keeps
30:48
Speaker 4: it in check.
30:49
Speaker 3: You can't not have swagger and play defensive back in
30:51
Speaker 3: the National Football League.
30:53
Speaker 1: You got to be that guy a line. I think
30:56
Speaker 1: there's a line.
30:56
Speaker 4: I don't think you have to be all over the top,
30:59
Speaker 4: and that's a time I see guys that are over top,
31:01
Speaker 4: but you come up make a hit when it's first
31:03
Speaker 4: and you know, first down and guy runs for eight
31:06
Speaker 4: yards and you make a good hit and get up
31:07
Speaker 4: and stand over him a little bit. I don't like
31:09
Speaker 4: that sort of thing, but I agree you have to
31:12
Speaker 4: have That's why I started off by saying, I think
31:13
Speaker 4: you got to have some of that swagger. I think
31:15
Speaker 4: Rashid Shaheed is a great ad. I think he brings
31:17
Speaker 4: something to the table and he knows it, and the
31:20
Speaker 4: team knows that he's kind of an X factor and
31:23
Speaker 4: spark plug, so to speak.
31:24
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think the majority of this team
31:26
Speaker 1: is crazy likable.
31:28
Speaker 7: It's interesting because, yeah, when you talk started talking about
31:31
Speaker 7: the team that went to the Super Bowl back to back,
31:34
Speaker 7: I would fully agree. I felt like I constantly had
31:36
Speaker 7: to defend people, you know, and your own.
31:39
Speaker 1: Kids, no matter how much trouble.
31:41
Speaker 6: That's what I would say.
31:42
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would hate him, hate them if they were
31:44
Speaker 7: on other teams, and I understand why people didn't like them,
31:48
Speaker 7: But you know, you've you felt like.
31:50
Speaker 6: Well, I got to defend them.
31:51
Speaker 7: These are my guys, you know, I love them, And yeah,
31:53
Speaker 7: and now I don't feel like I have to defend anyone,
31:56
Speaker 7: and even you know, to bring up the Reek well in.
31:58
Speaker 6: Situation, I don't feel like I have to.
32:00
Speaker 7: I think that his team's going to put him in
32:02
Speaker 7: check and they're going to figure it out, and he's not,
32:04
Speaker 7: you know, and if he doesn't learn, he'll be gone.
32:07
Speaker 6: So it's you know, I'm not that worried about it.
32:09
Speaker 3: I just think the old one bad apple doesn't And
32:12
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a bad no.
32:13
Speaker 1: I think he just has an issue.
32:15
Speaker 6: I just think he gets too emotional, can't keep it
32:17
Speaker 6: in check.
32:17
Speaker 7: Ye Again, I do think this time might be different
32:19
Speaker 7: because his teammates got in his ear about it, and
32:22
Speaker 7: I think that's where it could make the difference.
32:24
Speaker 6: But I just think you look at the scene. Nothing
32:26
Speaker 6: they say seems rehearsed.
32:28
Speaker 7: It's just it's just who they are, and they are
32:31
Speaker 7: so genuinely happy to all be playing with each other
32:33
Speaker 7: and so supportive of each other, and that's the fun
32:36
Speaker 7: thing to watch.
32:36
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's start with MacDonald.
32:38
Speaker 3: I do think it starts with John Schneider, because I
32:40
Speaker 3: do think that he pours that into his evaluation.
32:44
Speaker 1: He wants guys that love ball.
32:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wants guys with character and he wants
32:50
Speaker 3: guy you know, not everybody.
32:52
Speaker 1: A lot of people just want to Pete just wanted talent.
32:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's going to figure out the personality thing,
32:57
Speaker 7: like I can.
32:58
Speaker 1: Coach anybody, don't worry about me, and that's why.
33:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
33:03
Speaker 3: And then eventually, yeah, you did a great job keeping
33:06
Speaker 3: that group together, but even you couldn't keep it together.
33:10
Speaker 3: Where John Schneider's like, why do I want to put
33:12
Speaker 3: that on Mike McDonald. I can get talented players who
33:15
Speaker 3: loved the ball and look out for their teammates and
33:18
Speaker 3: have great character. And what we've seen in the last
33:20
Speaker 3: three drafts is why we're having this conversation here to agreed.
33:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, so see I told you, yeah, thank you.
33:27
Speaker 6: I was worried is this gonna go?
33:30
Speaker 1: All right?
33:31
Speaker 5: Yeah?
33:31
Speaker 3: It was just my way of talking about how likable
33:34
Speaker 3: this football team is. I mean, well just even above
33:37
Speaker 3: and beyond how good they are. I mean, he's gotta
33:40
Speaker 3: start there, but very likable football team. Love this this
33:45
Speaker 3: team all right? Coming up next it's vote Gate And
33:49
Speaker 3: some people offered some explanations that I wonder if they
33:53
Speaker 3: sound reasonable to you. Sports Radio ninety three point three
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34:09
Speaker 1: Well, happy Thursday to you all.
34:11
Speaker 3: It is check them back in the mornings, just ten
34:13
Speaker 3: sleeps away from Super Bowl sixty Seahawks taking on the
34:17
Speaker 3: New England Patriots, and we have an entire hour plan
34:21
Speaker 3: for you of Sea Hawk conversation of course, a little
34:25
Speaker 3: bit on winning the NFC Conference championship game, a little
34:29
Speaker 3: bit on the New England Patriots, and all sorts of
34:33
Speaker 3: the in between that we will discuss with our experts,
34:37
Speaker 3: Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider from the Tacoma News Tribune
34:42
Speaker 3: who'll be with us all hour long, and also our
34:44
Speaker 3: QB one top analyst around these year parts. Former NFL quarterback,
34:50
Speaker 3: former U dub quarterback and now Hall of Famer Pacific
34:56
Speaker 3: Northwest Football Hall of Famer Hugh Millen is with us
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Speaker 3: as well. Congratulations, Hunderd and humbled.
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Speaker 8: Good to be with you and try to put that
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Speaker 8: to good work on and analyze what what hopefully is
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Speaker 8: an incredible game. Certainly we had the incredible game last week,
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Speaker 8: no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: All.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well here we go.
35:47
Speaker 3: I mean, we're gonna have two of these the super
35:49
Speaker 3: Bowl warrants that we'll have one next week down from
35:52
Speaker 3: Santa Clara twelve man roundtable as well. But you Seahawks
35:57
Speaker 3: are heading back to the super Bowl and with just
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Speaker 3: as we talked about earlier, just a wildly entertaining team
36:05
Speaker 3: that's had just an incredible season that has just been
36:08
Speaker 3: every single week has been sort of a chapter in
36:11
Speaker 3: a storybook.
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Speaker 1: It kind of feels like, I mean.
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Speaker 3: This team with that win on Sunday, punches its ticket,
36:17
Speaker 3: and man, what a year it's been for the Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 1: It's just been something.
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Speaker 8: I mean, think about Pete Carroll, he was obviously his
36:27
Speaker 8: first year there was twenty ten, so he doesn't go
36:31
Speaker 8: to his fourth year here.
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald is.
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Speaker 8: Going in year two, and I think I think me,
36:39
Speaker 8: like a lot of us, were hoping that they have
36:42
Speaker 8: to face somebody other than the Rams. I've spent the
36:45
Speaker 8: whole playoff games, you know, biten knuckles trying to avert
36:50
Speaker 8: the Rams. But then as it played out, there was
36:52
Speaker 8: an acknowledgment even prior to the game that well, if
36:54
Speaker 8: you knew for sure the Seahawks are going to the
36:57
Speaker 8: Super Bowl, the team that you would want to play
37:00
Speaker 8: with that noge would be the Rams. And so they
37:03
Speaker 8: got the Rams. There's no excuse about the weather, what
37:06
Speaker 8: have you. Nobody can say, well Sam Darnold, yeah, he's
37:10
Speaker 8: lucky he didn't have to play the Rams because they're
37:13
Speaker 8: his kryptonite.
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Speaker 1: Whatever.
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Speaker 8: So it just ended up being an epic game with
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Speaker 8: all the scoring you could ever want in the third quarter,
37:21
Speaker 8: then all the scoring shuts down in the fourth quarter,
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Speaker 8: with all the tension. It was just, what, in my opinion,
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Speaker 8: one of the great games in the history of Seattle sports.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no question.
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Speaker 3: And Greg Bell with us as well, Greg punching the
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Speaker 3: ticket to the Super Bowl. Man, what a remarkable job
37:41
Speaker 3: by everybody from the top down. I mean, John Schneider
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Speaker 3: runaway Executive of the Year, Mike McDonald. What he's done
37:48
Speaker 3: in two years incredible, and this roster just coming together
37:51
Speaker 3: as a team. I think we do need to just
37:54
Speaker 3: highlight just a complete effort to get to this point
37:57
Speaker 3: before we discuss anything else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good morning.
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Speaker 9: He spent the first year McDonald did rebuilding the defense
38:04
Speaker 9: McDonald and John Schneider, and then this year rebuilding the offense,
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Speaker 9: bringing in a whole new offensive coordinator, a whole new system.
38:10
Speaker 10: But Sam Donald won the game Sunday.
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Speaker 9: That was the best performance by a quarterback in the
38:15
Speaker 9: biggest stakes in Seattle history. You go back to the
38:20
Speaker 9: four previous conference championship games and none of the quarterback
38:24
Speaker 9: play even had three hundred yards passing, none of them
38:27
Speaker 9: had zero interceptions, none of them had three touchdown passes.
38:32
Speaker 9: It's the checkered history actually going all the way back
38:34
Speaker 9: to nineteen eighty three the Seahawks when they went to
38:37
Speaker 9: the Coliseum to play the Raiders and Dave Craig went
38:40
Speaker 9: three for nine with three sacks and three interceptions and
38:42
Speaker 9: got benched when it was twenty to nothing in the
38:44
Speaker 9: first half. Sam Donald given the stakes. That was the
38:48
Speaker 9: greatest quarterback performance in a title game in Seahawks history,
38:54
Speaker 9: and that's why they got there, and that they needed
38:57
Speaker 9: that to beat the Rams the way the Rams rolled
38:59
Speaker 9: up almost five hundred yards offense yet again. But it
39:03
Speaker 9: is the culmination now of a two part rebuild, a
39:07
Speaker 9: two part reset of the franchise. Last year was with
39:10
Speaker 9: the Ernest Jones trade being the accelerator. It was the defense.
39:14
Speaker 9: Then they draft for Nick even Worry trade up seventeen
39:17
Speaker 9: spots to get him, and we've seen and we've talked
39:19
Speaker 9: all year about even Warrion. Now the whole country's starting
39:21
Speaker 9: to recognize him. And this year was devoted to the offense.
39:26
Speaker 9: The running game has been the one thing that has
39:28
Speaker 9: been a curiosity of this team, and now it is
39:31
Speaker 9: working as well. It took him all the way into
39:33
Speaker 9: December and now it's working and with Darnold playing the
39:37
Speaker 9: way he is and again no turnovers. How many times
39:41
Speaker 9: we talk about that if they don't turn them all over,
39:43
Speaker 9: they go win the Super Bowl. I said that, I
39:45
Speaker 9: think it's September and the defense is bearing that out
39:49
Speaker 9: right now. It is a very quick turnaround. I don't
39:53
Speaker 9: know even if it inside the building. They could have
39:55
Speaker 9: expected to be in the Super Bowl this year, maybe
39:57
Speaker 9: a year or two there's still the third youngest in
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Speaker 9: the league.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, Bucky.
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Speaker 3: I know one guy that's not getting a scarlet D
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Speaker 3: this week, and that is Hugh Millan. He has had
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Speaker 3: Sam Donald's back for weeks. Tell me, Hugh, did Sam
40:11
Speaker 3: Donold finally silence all those critics for once and for
40:15
Speaker 3: all on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Well, I can't get into the head of the critics.
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Speaker 8: I don't understand why they were latching onto this for
40:22
Speaker 8: as long as they did. You know, when you consider
40:25
Speaker 8: that the guy for the last forty four games is
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Speaker 8: thirty four and ten, which is the winning this record
40:31
Speaker 8: in that span, he has the highest percentage of those
40:35
Speaker 8: games over sixty percent, the highest percent of games that
40:39
Speaker 8: go over triple digits. I mean, it's not a terribly
40:42
Speaker 8: difficult concept to comprehend. You got drafted as a twenty
40:46
Speaker 8: year old. You went to the Jets. Both offensive coordinators
40:49
Speaker 8: that you played for after losing their jobs, never got
40:52
Speaker 8: an NFL job again. Research how often that happens. You
40:55
Speaker 8: can't even get a tight end coaching job after losing
40:59
Speaker 8: after being an O getting fired as an OCD. You know,
41:02
Speaker 8: and so you know, hey, guess what he improved on
41:05
Speaker 8: his job. I don't think that should be terribly difficult
41:08
Speaker 8: to uh to uh to grasp and and and yet
41:13
Speaker 8: I think you know, there's cognitive dissonance and all these
41:17
Speaker 8: terms about psychologically it's hard to let go of our
41:20
Speaker 8: initial impression and uh and and I think some people are.
41:25
Speaker 8: And yet I would think new evidence has always got
41:29
Speaker 8: a trump your ego.
41:31
Speaker 1: And and if you hold a.
41:32
Speaker 8: Position and then new evidence comes in, well forty four
41:34
Speaker 8: games worth of new evidence ought to be enough to
41:38
Speaker 8: uh to trump what your ego was, what you thought
41:40
Speaker 8: he was with the Jets.
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Speaker 1: So in any event that.
41:43
Speaker 8: I I don't think that the critics are gonna disappear
41:47
Speaker 8: because they're they're probably you know, just waiting for him
41:50
Speaker 8: to fail in the super Bowl and then if he
41:52
Speaker 8: wins one and you're gonna have to win two and
41:54
Speaker 8: what have you. You know, there's guys like Jim Plunkett
41:56
Speaker 8: and many others that started their rear rough and then actually,
42:02
Speaker 8: you know, their their game materialized. So anyway, it couldn't
42:07
Speaker 8: be more proud of. And what's cool about it is
42:09
Speaker 8: Sam Donald is the last guy who's spiking the football,
42:12
Speaker 8: you know, and so you know, there's a humility that's
42:16
Speaker 8: always reigned with him, and it maintains, Yeah, if.
42:19
Speaker 9: You're in the third, if you're the third overall pick,
42:21
Speaker 9: the team you're going to stinks. And he went to
42:24
Speaker 9: the Jets and they stunk, and so he's stuck and
42:27
Speaker 9: he had he got run out of town because he
42:30
Speaker 9: didn't single handedly resuscitate the franchise. Then he went to
42:34
Speaker 9: the Carolina Panthers and they stunk. The post Super Bowl
42:37
Speaker 9: fifty Carolina Panthers who were rebuilding on the down side
42:40
Speaker 9: of the Ron Rivera regime. I mean, there's a reason
42:44
Speaker 9: why quarterbacks get picked in the top five.
42:46
Speaker 10: Of the draft.
42:47
Speaker 9: There's Super Bowl teams are not drafting those guys. And
42:50
Speaker 9: there's no Patrick Mahomes sitting and waiting for four or
42:53
Speaker 9: five years or Aaron Rodgers. That's not out at all
42:55
Speaker 9: what Sam Donald's career was. And he didn't get a
42:59
Speaker 9: full time gig until last year by accident with Minnesota.
43:03
Speaker 9: People forget JJ McCarthy was supposed to be the starting
43:05
Speaker 9: quarterback last year in Minnesota to twenty twenty four season
43:08
Speaker 9: as a tenth overall pick, and then he got hurt
43:11
Speaker 9: and ruined his knee in the middle of training camp
43:13
Speaker 9: and then all of a sudden it was Sam Darnold,
43:16
Speaker 9: and then he goes fourteen and two, and the Vikings say,
43:18
Speaker 9: I will go with McCarthy, which our original plan was,
43:21
Speaker 9: and that's the only reason he became a Seahawk. And
43:23
Speaker 9: this truly is his first year over year opportunity with
43:28
Speaker 9: a good team. The Jets were not a good team.
43:31
Speaker 9: The other team he played for for multiple years, to Panthers.
43:34
Speaker 7: Were not.
43:35
Speaker 9: So to Hugh's point about, you know, Jim Pluckett was
43:38
Speaker 9: the same way. Jim Puckett got drafted into a bad
43:40
Speaker 9: Patriots team. He was in a bad San Francisco team.
43:43
Speaker 9: He got to the Raiders and he won a super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: He won two super Bowls.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, two super Bowls.
43:48
Speaker 9: So that the latent success of Sam Donald has a
43:53
Speaker 9: lot to do with the circumstances and surroundings.
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Speaker 3: He's in Greg Mellhew mellan with us a twelve man
43:58
Speaker 3: round table. You're on this Thursday, do it every week,
44:01
Speaker 3: and so let's talk about a little bit from I mean,
44:04
Speaker 3: Mike McDonald's obviously gotten all sorts of praise and flowers
44:08
Speaker 3: this year, but Hugh did Clint Kubiak possibly is he
44:13
Speaker 3: the coaching reason why the Seahawks are advancing over the
44:17
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams. He seemed to have a better day
44:19
Speaker 3: than McDonald did on Sunday.
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Speaker 8: Well, I would say, you know, I get up early
44:24
Speaker 8: on Monday mornings to watch the coaches tape in advance
44:28
Speaker 8: of my part of our show on Monday morning, and
44:33
Speaker 8: you know, most of the time we're lauding Mike McDonald
44:36
Speaker 8: and his the precision and how he's teaching and the
44:40
Speaker 8: x's and o's and how.
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Speaker 1: They play out.
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Speaker 8: I would say, arguably, this is one of the best
44:46
Speaker 8: games I've seen from an offensive coordinator in years for
44:50
Speaker 8: the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, I think that the most
44:53
Speaker 8: white hot I've ever seen an offensive coordinator was Steve
44:57
Speaker 8: Sarkisian in the National Championship Game Alabama. I don't remember
45:01
Speaker 8: who they played, but I just remember that dude was
45:03
Speaker 8: just pushing all the buttons. Let me let me just
45:06
Speaker 8: quickly review a four play sequence in the end of
45:11
Speaker 8: the second quarter. You're gonna remember these plays. Uh Remember
45:16
Speaker 8: when when JASN had that forty two yarchder down the
45:19
Speaker 8: middle of the field right before halftime. They had a
45:23
Speaker 8: jam on on JSN before the motion and they timed
45:29
Speaker 8: the motion exactly so that the corner has to pop out,
45:34
Speaker 8: allowing JSN to have free access. It's a cover two beater. Yes,
45:38
Speaker 8: they got cover two. It's the sting round. Then they
45:40
Speaker 8: come back and if you remember, they hit Halani for
45:45
Speaker 8: I believe a thirteen yard or in the flat on
45:48
Speaker 8: that play the bobo the way they they squeezed the formation,
45:53
Speaker 8: bobo was wide open for a post. So right now
45:57
Speaker 8: the two for two you have got. Uh, you've got
46:01
Speaker 8: Clint Kubiak has designed guys wide open.
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Speaker 1: They're not even within buck.
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Speaker 8: You'll know this because he's been O B two two
46:07
Speaker 8: club links worth of of of any any the nearest defender.
46:12
Speaker 8: Right the next one, they remember when j s N
46:16
Speaker 8: caught the ball like five yards out of the back
46:18
Speaker 8: of the end zone.
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Speaker 1: Uh right, that was that they that.
46:23
Speaker 8: Was designed with squeeze. It looks like a scissors. No,
46:25
Speaker 8: it's not a scissors where they're gonna criss cross. It's
46:27
Speaker 8: gonna be what's called the dagger concept, where you're gonna
46:30
Speaker 8: have j s N over the top and and and
46:34
Speaker 8: then uh Shaheed coming in on an intermediate break. The
46:38
Speaker 8: way they confused, they got j s N wide open
46:42
Speaker 8: in the back just uh Sam was late, and then
46:46
Speaker 8: they get the touchdown on the corner in the backfield
46:49
Speaker 8: where they're there, the Rams are playing what's called the
46:52
Speaker 8: box four over three, and so the way the the
46:55
Speaker 8: shallow guys will take first in first out, the deeper
46:57
Speaker 8: guys would take first in first out. And yet because
47:02
Speaker 8: they put Jsn most him in the backfield, Shahi takes
47:06
Speaker 8: out the two back layers and they completely turn jays
47:10
Speaker 8: N loose.
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Speaker 1: You get a touchdown on the corner.
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Speaker 8: Those were four back to back to back to back
47:16
Speaker 8: plays and Clint Kubiak is getting wide open guys. And
47:20
Speaker 8: then in the third quarter on a bunch formation third
47:24
Speaker 8: and nine, they run a flood concept and you've got
47:28
Speaker 8: Cooper cup Wide opening the flat. Sam Darnold can't wait
47:31
Speaker 8: to get that ball out of his twelve yards on
47:33
Speaker 8: third and nine. They can't cover a guy a guy
47:35
Speaker 8: in the flat. And then the last one they get
47:38
Speaker 8: another bunch. They shifted, they get their communication going. Rams
47:43
Speaker 8: happen to be a man and man on that particular one.
47:45
Speaker 8: The prior one was his own. And then you've got
47:48
Speaker 8: Canine running an out route and the guy in man
47:52
Speaker 8: and Man is coming from such depth that canine is
47:55
Speaker 8: able to get ten yards on third and ten. You're
47:57
Speaker 8: throwing a half back and just a flip an outroute.
48:01
Speaker 8: So and there's more. Yeah, Clint Kubiak was white hot. Now,
48:06
Speaker 8: Chris Sula's going for jobs and Clint Kubiak's going for jobs.
48:10
Speaker 8: One looked like he was really focusing on the task
48:13
Speaker 8: at hand with his team, and another, his guys looked
48:17
Speaker 8: like their coach was thinking more about trying to get
48:19
Speaker 8: a head coaching job.
48:20
Speaker 1: Now, I know that's not fair. That is not fair.
48:22
Speaker 8: I'm just saying how it looked, because Clint Kubiak took
48:26
Speaker 8: Chris Sula to the shed in his plate calling. He
48:31
Speaker 8: was getting guys wide open everywhere.
48:34
Speaker 9: You remember when we talked about the difference in this
48:36
Speaker 9: Rams game in the last one when they gained in
48:39
Speaker 9: thirty seven points in Seattle, was that they only had
48:42
Speaker 9: four game days between games the last time and they
48:44
Speaker 9: had eight this time. And we saw the kubi at
48:47
Speaker 9: the touchdown pass that Hughes describing to Smith and Jigba
48:50
Speaker 9: was something Kubiak had not shown. He put Smith and
48:53
Speaker 9: Jigba in motion and actually had him set as kind
48:55
Speaker 9: of a wing and the way that he did. We
48:58
Speaker 9: I was talking about with Rashiki, he hasn't that big
49:00
Speaker 9: plays down the pass game. That was a big play
49:02
Speaker 9: down the pass game. He affected the defense by taking
49:05
Speaker 9: two covers.
49:06
Speaker 10: That was one of them.
49:07
Speaker 9: Is supposed to be in the corner of the ends
49:08
Speaker 9: of waiting on Smith and Jigba. It ended up being
49:11
Speaker 9: because he was pseudo out of the backfield. Nick Landman,
49:15
Speaker 9: the middle linebacker, was the guy who was trying to
49:17
Speaker 9: chase Smith and Jigba. You talk about scheming into a mismatch,
49:20
Speaker 9: and that's how he got so wide open. It was
49:22
Speaker 9: they had all kinds of new stuff that the rams
49:25
Speaker 9: hadn't seen.
49:26
Speaker 10: That happened to do from the eight days update on Kobiac.
49:29
Speaker 8: Well, the corner, the corner should hand that to the
49:31
Speaker 8: safety in the corner. You can't ask Landman to cover
49:34
Speaker 8: like but that's what.
49:37
Speaker 1: You just let him go.
49:38
Speaker 8: Landman acted like like like he wasn't going to cover him.
49:41
Speaker 8: And you know in that in that in that box
49:44
Speaker 8: four over three, the corner should wait outside. But because
49:49
Speaker 8: you shifted in Jigba late into the backfield. And this
49:52
Speaker 8: is a touchdown pass, very critical touchdown pass because he
49:55
Speaker 8: comes from the backfield. Now, defenses they're not used to
49:58
Speaker 8: seeing a wide receiver type coming from the back, So
50:02
Speaker 8: it was just it was just Kubiak's instincts, like I
50:05
Speaker 8: can get him in this coverage. I know how they're
50:07
Speaker 8: going to pass things off, and I can get guys
50:09
Speaker 8: wide open.
50:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: That game, that game may get Kubiak the head coaching job.
50:14
Speaker 9: The Cardinals and the Raiders are waiting, and the Cardinals
50:17
Speaker 9: and Raiders are going to interview him probably Saturday. The
50:20
Speaker 9: Seahawks practice today and Friday and Saturday, and then they
50:23
Speaker 9: leave Sunday for Xan Jose, and the NFL rules say
50:26
Speaker 9: that the interviews have to stop by Sunday and can't
50:28
Speaker 9: resume again until after the Super Bowl February ninth. So
50:32
Speaker 9: he's gonna have two interviews with the two remaining vacancies,
50:35
Speaker 9: and they are waiting. The Raiders and Cardinals have told
50:38
Speaker 9: the candidates they've interviewed twice the Davis Webb, the thirty
50:42
Speaker 9: one year old quarterbacks coach for Denver, for instance, that
50:46
Speaker 9: we're not we got one more candidate to interview, so
50:48
Speaker 9: we can't close you on this job yet. They're waiting
50:51
Speaker 9: and have been waiting on Kubiak, there's still all kinds
50:55
Speaker 9: of questions about leadership of an entire team. How he
50:57
Speaker 9: hasn't been in one place for more than two years
50:59
Speaker 9: since he was a three year defensive or offensive assistant
51:03
Speaker 9: for Denver from twenty sixteen to eighteen. How he's had
51:06
Speaker 9: only one season at the play calling responsibility to the Seahawks,
51:09
Speaker 9: one season with the Saints, one season in twenty twenty
51:12
Speaker 9: one with the Vikings. There's not a lot of longevity
51:15
Speaker 9: and staying power of his track record. But now with
51:19
Speaker 9: the run game going and Darnold the plan the way
51:21
Speaker 9: he is and not turning the ball over in the
51:23
Speaker 9: schemes that he's Kubx getting credit for, he may have
51:26
Speaker 9: a head coaching job kind of out of nowhere, like
51:28
Speaker 9: down the stretch, coming from the.
51:30
Speaker 10: Back of the pack.
51:31
Speaker 1: He may have mentioned this, but is there any way
51:34
Speaker 1: that they could hire him before the Super Bowl?
51:37
Speaker 3: Is there a chance that they can't make They can't
51:39
Speaker 3: They cannot make an announcement.
51:40
Speaker 1: They can't put Blane Kiffin.
51:42
Speaker 10: Well, Lane Kiffin's rules apply to only Lank Kiffins.
51:45
Speaker 9: But the NFL that had happened with they were announcing
51:49
Speaker 9: during Super Bowl week head coaching jobs, and the league
51:52
Speaker 9: got upset that it was trumping the attention of the
51:55
Speaker 9: game itself, so they have a moratorium essentially on announcing
51:59
Speaker 9: coaching high from Sunday till.
52:01
Speaker 10: The end of the game the following Sunday.
52:03
Speaker 8: Doesn't it seem greg, I mean, if you're a betting man,
52:05
Speaker 8: doesn't seem more likely the Kube actually going to get
52:07
Speaker 8: one of those jobs. I mean Brady was on the
52:09
Speaker 8: call well and then the interview. Now he's going to
52:13
Speaker 8: turn around. He he broadcasts the game, presumably if he's
52:16
Speaker 8: in charge of the hiring, he's going to watch that
52:18
Speaker 8: tape just like you know we did, and he's going
52:21
Speaker 8: to see all of those those you know, the detail
52:25
Speaker 8: that allowed all those open receivers to be running out there.
52:29
Speaker 9: The question isn't I don't think the question isn't is
52:31
Speaker 9: he going to get offered? The question is does he
52:33
Speaker 9: want to take it? The Raiders have had seventeen head
52:36
Speaker 9: coaches in the last like three years, it seems. And
52:40
Speaker 9: the Cardinals are division rival who have a big, big
52:44
Speaker 9: problem a quarterback in a contract and a leadership issue
52:46
Speaker 9: in Kyler Murray.
52:47
Speaker 10: Right now, the Seahawks are going to make a play
52:50
Speaker 10: to keep him.
52:50
Speaker 9: I've been told that they're going to give him more
52:52
Speaker 9: money and maybe a promotion entitled to assistant head coach
52:55
Speaker 9: like they currently have. Leslie slat Fraser as slought it
52:59
Speaker 9: as and I'm not sure Fraser going to come back,
53:00
Speaker 9: especially if they win a Super Bowl, whether he run
53:02
Speaker 9: or running back at seventy years old sixty seven, But
53:06
Speaker 9: they are going to try to keep them. They don't
53:08
Speaker 9: want to break up a continuity of this offense after
53:11
Speaker 9: just one season and Darnold and all of that. They
53:13
Speaker 9: don't want to bring somebody else in. Whether they would
53:16
Speaker 9: promote from within or not. I don't think it's a
53:19
Speaker 9: FATA company, even if Tom Brady or the Cardinals offer
53:22
Speaker 9: the job.
53:22
Speaker 10: Da koobiek that he'll leave.
53:23
Speaker 3: Greg Bell, Hugh Millan. It's our Thursday twelfth Man Roundtable.
53:28
Speaker 3: We've got more time left until the top of the hour.
53:32
Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll talk about some Seahawks defense,
53:35
Speaker 3: Nick Emon Warre's impact.
53:37
Speaker 1: Reeke Wolan.
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Speaker 3: We'll discuss all as much as we possibly humanly can
53:42
Speaker 3: here in this hour with our experts on Sports Radio
53:45
Speaker 3: ninety three point three KJRFM. One thing that I did
53:48
Speaker 3: not bring up when it comes to nick emon Wori
53:50
Speaker 3: in our last segment, my favorite play is when he
53:52
Speaker 3: got in Reek Wolan's grill, the rookie muscling up over
53:56
Speaker 3: there on the sidelines. Any fallout from that greg at all,
54:00
Speaker 3: I mean anything that spilled over into the locker room,
54:03
Speaker 3: into the post game, any sort of message that Riek
54:07
Speaker 3: Wolan will be given a stern reminder about conduct and
54:11
Speaker 3: not costing the team fifteen yards.
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Speaker 9: No spill of her because they wont. Yeah, had they lost,
54:17
Speaker 9: he would have been the goat of Seattle sports history.
54:19
Speaker 9: I can't think of a more I can't think of
54:22
Speaker 9: one that would have been a bigger goat move than
54:24
Speaker 9: that had they lost that game. But they have talked
54:27
Speaker 9: to him and reminded him about his emotions. Don't mean
54:31
Speaker 9: self serving and to help the team. Rather, the league
54:35
Speaker 9: is pretty leaning in on the taunting rule. As long
54:37
Speaker 9: as you don't direct it at an opponent, They let
54:39
Speaker 9: you do anything right. You could pandomime, you can dance,
54:42
Speaker 9: you can do all kinds of stuff as long as
54:44
Speaker 9: you turn away from an opponent. And that official in
54:47
Speaker 9: that moment, you could see him from the press box
54:49
Speaker 9: telling him three or four times not to just walk
54:52
Speaker 9: away and instead Wolan paraded down the length of the
54:55
Speaker 9: sideline getting into the Rams faces. So that was an
54:58
Speaker 9: obvious one. They'll tell him again, and he admitted it.
55:02
Speaker 9: To his credit, as I mentioned on Monday, that he
55:04
Speaker 9: stood in front of us and admitted all that. But yeah,
55:07
Speaker 9: because they won, all is well and everything after game
55:10
Speaker 9: after emon worry and he said, oh, we're brotherhood and
55:12
Speaker 9: compete and that's how he's my big brother.
55:14
Speaker 10: But that would have gone a lot differently had they lost.
55:17
Speaker 3: Well, he's got dragged through the mudd a little bit
55:18
Speaker 3: this week, Hugh. But how good is Rieq.
55:21
Speaker 1: Willen playing football right now?
55:24
Speaker 8: Well, I think lost in all of that and we
55:26
Speaker 8: can all agree that that was a selfish, idiotic move
55:29
Speaker 8: what he did. We'll have a disagreement on how the
55:33
Speaker 8: officials should have handled it. But I think lost in
55:35
Speaker 8: the play was that was cover one. He covered Pooka
55:39
Speaker 8: Nakoula on an intermediate crossing route. He showed his speed
55:45
Speaker 8: and caught and really could have intercepted that ball if
55:49
Speaker 8: not for a great play by Nikoula. But I think,
55:51
Speaker 8: I think, I think Seayork fans the part that I
55:54
Speaker 8: can relate is is try to say, well, what are
55:58
Speaker 8: the Sea Oak coaches think? If you look at the
56:01
Speaker 8: sixteen plays that Seattle played man and man, Now they
56:05
Speaker 8: weren't Nicole wasn't always on the field, and and and
56:09
Speaker 8: Riek Wollan wasn't always on the field because sometimes they
56:11
Speaker 8: were playing their regular nickel. But the majority of the
56:15
Speaker 8: time when they went man to man, the guy that
56:18
Speaker 8: was covering Pooka nkula was not Devin Witherspoon, it was
56:24
Speaker 8: Rieke Woolan. And on the third and four play that
56:27
Speaker 8: preceded the fourth and four that we just spent that
56:30
Speaker 8: time talking about, the third and four and the fourth
56:32
Speaker 8: and four, these these vital plays. Third and four, they
56:35
Speaker 8: played man and man, and Witherspoon was covering number fifteen.
56:39
Speaker 8: What's his name, Mumsfield? Yeah, okay, nobody knows. So Witherspoon,
56:44
Speaker 8: the pro bowler was one man over covering number fifteen,
56:49
Speaker 8: and it was Reek Woolan in the slot covering Pooka nakula.
56:53
Speaker 8: And and that was from throughout the game. So there's
56:56
Speaker 8: a all you have to do is put on the tape.
56:58
Speaker 8: Mike McDonald thinks it's a better mantup. Rieke Woollen on
57:01
Speaker 8: Pooka Nakula and you go back to the the play
57:04
Speaker 8: that he made against Juwan Jennings. You're running from one sideline,
57:09
Speaker 8: you know, and and put on the turbo button, grabbed
57:11
Speaker 8: Jennings and threw him down for no game like, He's
57:14
Speaker 8: made plays where his size and his acceleration where he
57:20
Speaker 8: can catch up on crossing routes, uh, his next level stuff.
57:25
Speaker 8: And so I think that's the that's what sea out
57:27
Speaker 8: of wait when you're you know, when fans go, get
57:29
Speaker 8: him out of there, Benjim, I don't want to see
57:31
Speaker 8: him in the Super Bowl.
57:32
Speaker 1: Some of these things, I don't.
57:33
Speaker 8: I know most fans aren't aren't thinking that way, but
57:36
Speaker 8: but I'm sure the majority fans are going, well, how
57:38
Speaker 8: do you process this guy? Well, one part of the
57:40
Speaker 8: calculus is they think he's a really good cover corner.
57:46
Speaker 1: By the way, after that, what's that he would had an.
57:52
Speaker 9: Interception on a deep seam route that Stafford overthrew by
57:54
Speaker 9: four yards. If he had overthrown it, Whether Woolan was
57:57
Speaker 9: in a better pa I think it was against Adams
58:00
Speaker 9: is in a better position in the third quarter going
58:02
Speaker 9: his fourth quarter early going right left and right.
58:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's uh, you know, he's got the lank.
58:08
Speaker 9: He's played himself back into a contract for next year.
58:11
Speaker 9: We couldn't have said that in October. I think the
58:13
Speaker 9: Seahawks they have enough cap space to bring a lot
58:16
Speaker 9: of their guys back. Yeah, that's true too, but I
58:20
Speaker 9: think that, Yeah, I think they played themselves into Seattle
58:24
Speaker 9: offering them.
58:24
Speaker 8: But he's going to play a prominent role in the
58:26
Speaker 8: Super Bowl, you know, wherever they match him up. You know,
58:30
Speaker 8: you know here Nikouas is you know, right now, in
58:33
Speaker 8: many people's eyes, the best receiver in the world. Now
58:35
Speaker 8: we'll say it's j S N. But the point is
58:37
Speaker 8: when the game was most important, after the tawning play,
58:40
Speaker 8: he broke up a post route deep down the field,
58:44
Speaker 8: so you know his head was into it. Now, the
58:46
Speaker 8: very next play, the stutter go. McDonald came out and said,
58:51
Speaker 8: that's on me. I got to put a safety of
58:53
Speaker 8: the top. I know his head wasn't in a good place.
58:54
Speaker 8: He gets beat for a touchdown. Whether that's Mike McDonald's
58:58
Speaker 8: covering for his player, who knows. I think there's truth
59:00
Speaker 8: to what he said. But at any event, in critical junctures,
59:04
Speaker 8: when it's man to man, they're they're putting twenty seven
59:08
Speaker 8: on twelve, and I think that's.
59:10
Speaker 1: Important to know.
59:11
Speaker 3: Well, next week, next roundtable from Santa Clara side of
59:14
Speaker 3: Super Bowl sixty. I hope that we're all in the
59:18
Speaker 3: same room together. That'd be a lot of fun. I
59:21
Speaker 3: don't know if you've got the grocery list, Hugh, I'm
59:23
Speaker 3: in charge of cocaine and Friedo's.
59:26
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway. Yeah, matches for Bucky after he
59:31
Speaker 1: gets out of the John toilet. That's a good idea. Yeah, Yeah,
59:36
Speaker 1: don't forget the matches. Somebody who better not forget the matches. Yeah,
59:39
Speaker 1: matches that don't do the trick. Yeah.
59:41
Speaker 9: Let me let me say, we don't have predictions this week,
59:43
Speaker 9: but let me tell Seahawks fans what we got. The
59:46
Speaker 9: Seahawks are leaving Sunday afternoon. They're going to land in
59:48
Speaker 9: San Jose at five o'clock. They're going to stay at
59:50
Speaker 9: the San Jose Mariot right next to the Convention Center,
59:52
Speaker 9: going to be there all week. They're gonna practice at
59:54
Speaker 9: San Jose State, University of the Patriots or at Stanford.
59:57
Speaker 9: The teams are separate from where you guys are going
59:59
Speaker 9: to be. I'm going to be with the team in
1:00:01
Speaker 9: San Jose, but none of them.
1:00:03
Speaker 1: Miss out on three thoughs then in matches, yeah apparently.
1:00:06
Speaker 9: Yeah, but that it's a different kind of Super Bowl,
1:00:09
Speaker 9: and that there's two different, distinctly different. I mean, it's
1:00:11
Speaker 9: like an hour and a half drive with traffic down
1:00:13
Speaker 9: from San Francisco where the Seahawks is gonna be in
1:00:15
Speaker 9: San Jose. But they'll have a media event on Monday
1:00:18
Speaker 9: night at the Convention Center, the opening night Shenanigans, and
1:00:22
Speaker 9: then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday is media availabilities with the team,
1:00:26
Speaker 9: and then nothing from Friday and Saturday until the game.
1:00:28
Speaker 10: So that's the way it lays out.
1:00:30
Speaker 9: I'm going to have a Seahawks playoff previews show again
1:00:33
Speaker 9: from the station on Friday night seven to nine, and
1:00:36
Speaker 9: I'm going to do it again from San Francisco next
1:00:39
Speaker 9: Friday night tra before the game.
1:00:40
Speaker 1: Excellent. All right, all right, gentlemen, look forward to seeing
1:00:43
Speaker 1: you next week. Thank you very much, appreciate it.
1:00:45
Speaker 10: Thank you.
1:00:46
Speaker 1: All right.
1:00:46
Speaker 3: Twelve man round Table comes to a close here on
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Speaker 3: Chucking Buck in the morning for another week.
1:00:51
Speaker 1: Mike Sando's going to join us at nine to thirty.
1:00:53
Speaker 1: We're probably only going.
1:00:54
Speaker 3: To talk about Belichick at nine to thirty with Mike,
1:00:57
Speaker 3: but we'll talk more about Super Bowl sixty next Sports
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Speaker 3: Certainly the ideal guest to have on with the Belichick
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1:01:25
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1:01:35
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1:02:25
Speaker 3: That Super Bowl sixty just ten days away as we
1:02:29
Speaker 3: get ready over the course of the next week and
1:02:31
Speaker 3: a half for the big event as the Seahawks will
1:02:35
Speaker 3: be taking on the New England Patriots live from Santa Clara, California,
1:02:40
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1:02:43
Speaker 3: group next week for complete coverage for you that we'll
1:02:46
Speaker 3: deliver back here to Seattle.
1:02:50
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
1:02:51
Speaker 3: Before I would get into the topic that we were
1:02:53
Speaker 3: going to discuss here, the Bill Barnwell, who writes for ESPN,
1:02:58
Speaker 3: he just ranked the head coaching hirings in the NFL
1:03:02
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty one. He put Dan Campbell number one.
1:03:07
Speaker 3: He put Nick Sirianni number two, and then he put
1:03:10
Speaker 3: Mike McDonald.
1:03:11
Speaker 1: And Mike Vrabel three and four.
1:03:15
Speaker 3: I think, whoever wins this Super Bowl or gets gets
1:03:18
Speaker 3: to number one, I mean because you've wanted to. I
1:03:21
Speaker 3: mean the only reason Sirianni is ahead of them is
1:03:24
Speaker 3: because he won a super Bowl. But I don't know
1:03:26
Speaker 3: if anybody has had the success Sirianni has had while
1:03:30
Speaker 3: walking the you know tight, you know tight rope of
1:03:34
Speaker 3: just a complete poop show that he's been operating up
1:03:38
Speaker 3: there in Philadelphia. He's been on the verge of being fired.
1:03:41
Speaker 3: Players hate each other. You know, You've got this incredibly
1:03:44
Speaker 3: talented roster. But Sirianni separates himself because he did win
1:03:48
Speaker 3: a super Bowl. But if Mike McDonald or Mike Rabel
1:03:51
Speaker 3: get to the end of this weekend, I would think
1:03:53
Speaker 3: either one of them, even though Vrabel's only been on
1:03:55
Speaker 3: the job there for one year, would jump Sirianni. And
1:03:59
Speaker 3: I gotta believe you got jump Dan Campbell as well,
1:04:01
Speaker 3: because as phenomenal as he's done and turning around the
1:04:04
Speaker 3: culture of Detroit. And I hope Dan Campbell sometime gets
1:04:07
Speaker 3: up forever job for the Detroit Lions. I just like
1:04:10
Speaker 3: him there. Man, he's starting to slip a little. They're
1:04:13
Speaker 3: getting further and further from the super Bowl where Mike
1:04:16
Speaker 3: McDonald and Mike Rabel will have captured it in no
1:04:19
Speaker 3: time flat.
1:04:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:04:22
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I would be willing to bet that
1:04:24
Speaker 4: they probably jump up a notch of whoever wins this
1:04:28
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, and rightfully so. Dan Campbell's done some I
1:04:31
Speaker 4: mean he's done really well. I mean this year they
1:04:33
Speaker 4: slipped back into not making the playoffs, and yet the
1:04:38
Speaker 4: last couple of years they've been one of the more
1:04:40
Speaker 4: formidable teams out there. So arguing it's some mantics, whichever
1:04:44
Speaker 4: one is, I think all those guys are great coaches.
1:04:46
Speaker 4: If you're a maybe Philadelphia fans don't feel that way,
1:04:50
Speaker 4: but then again, they don't seem like they very often.
1:04:54
Speaker 4: I always kind of feel I mean, they didn't like
1:04:55
Speaker 4: Andy Reid. He's turned out to be okay.
1:04:57
Speaker 7: Yeah, so maybe it was Philip.
1:05:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's you.
1:05:03
Speaker 4: But I think you should be happy regardless if you're
1:05:06
Speaker 4: any of those four places, I think you should be
1:05:09
Speaker 4: pretty happy. I know that everybody around here is pretty
1:05:11
Speaker 4: happy with who we got.
1:05:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:05:12
Speaker 3: Even though Ryan Leaf sent out a tweet saying that
1:05:15
Speaker 3: he wouldn't vote for Mike Donald, he's lost ten games.
1:05:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm kind of it makes sense though, I mean,
1:05:23
Speaker 4: really think about it.
1:05:26
Speaker 3: I'll say this about the twenty twenty five slash twenty
1:05:29
Speaker 3: twenty six Seahawks. This is the first football season that
1:05:33
Speaker 3: I've been here, and I've been here for ten of
1:05:35
Speaker 3: them now, where we just didn't have ongoing weekly discourse
1:05:41
Speaker 3: throughout the football season about how bad the offensive line is.
1:05:45
Speaker 3: And I don't think that this offensive line should be
1:05:48
Speaker 3: mistaken for the better two best offensive lines in the
1:05:51
Speaker 3: National Football League. I don't think that it has been
1:05:54
Speaker 3: elited this year, and I don't think Gray's abel alone
1:05:58
Speaker 3: is the reason that it.
1:05:59
Speaker 1: Got turned around on draft Day.
1:06:03
Speaker 3: But certainly it has not been a bad offensive line,
1:06:08
Speaker 3: and certainly it has not been as big a topic
1:06:11
Speaker 3: of conversation throughout the course of this season, and frankly,
1:06:15
Speaker 3: it comes as tremendous relief.
1:06:17
Speaker 1: I just love that it.
1:06:18
Speaker 3: Has not been because I really do believe that the
1:06:21
Speaker 3: past offensive lines for the Seahawks haven't been nearly as
1:06:24
Speaker 3: bad as what people think that they were. I think
1:06:27
Speaker 3: we had a quarterback holds onto the ball too long
1:06:29
Speaker 3: problem here in Seattle, even when Russell was in his prime,
1:06:33
Speaker 3: even when Russell was, you know, getting in VP consideration,
1:06:37
Speaker 3: he had an issue of holding onto the ball too long,
1:06:39
Speaker 3: and so did Gino Smith. And I think the correlation
1:06:43
Speaker 3: between Gino and Sam is even more stark because you're
1:06:46
Speaker 3: talking about two guys one year separated from one another
1:06:50
Speaker 3: operating this offense. And yes, Zabel has been added to
1:06:54
Speaker 3: this group, but four fifths of it is our guys
1:06:57
Speaker 3: that were on the roster just a year ago. So
1:07:01
Speaker 3: I do believe that the quarterback and the offensive coordinator
1:07:07
Speaker 3: have been the biggest reasons why the offensive line hasn't
1:07:11
Speaker 3: struggled as much as it has in the past. But
1:07:15
Speaker 3: certainly the addition of Zabel has been outstanding. This step
1:07:19
Speaker 3: forward from Sundell has been really good, and I do
1:07:23
Speaker 3: believe that it's not a bad offensive line that I'm
1:07:26
Speaker 3: not sure how many offensive lines we've had in the
1:07:28
Speaker 3: in the last ten years that I would put as
1:07:31
Speaker 3: you're bad, You're terrible, and that seemed to be the
1:07:34
Speaker 3: narrative for the last decade.
1:07:36
Speaker 4: That's typical, right, It seems like that's kind of the
1:07:38
Speaker 4: nature of a lot of things. Is just for people
1:07:41
Speaker 4: to overdo what I mean. You might be right or
1:07:44
Speaker 4: on the right track, of boy, that offensive line needs
1:07:46
Speaker 4: to get a little bit better.
1:07:47
Speaker 3: I don't think it was good, but I just don't
1:07:49
Speaker 3: think that it was as horrendous as people thought it's
1:07:52
Speaker 3: been the last ten years.
1:07:53
Speaker 4: Well, there's no way fans or butts that. Russell Wilson
1:07:56
Speaker 4: his last year, for sure, maybe his last two years,
1:08:00
Speaker 4: was starting to go, was starting to lose a step,
1:08:03
Speaker 4: and yet still wanted to play like he's super elusive
1:08:05
Speaker 4: and I can run backwards twenty yards and that's not
1:08:08
Speaker 4: the offensive line's fault.
1:08:10
Speaker 1: I mean, they can't.
1:08:11
Speaker 4: You can't expect him to. Hey, I need you to
1:08:13
Speaker 4: protect basically just everything behind the line of scrimmage. Well,
1:08:17
Speaker 4: what about just protecting the pocket. No, we don't really
1:08:20
Speaker 4: do that.
1:08:20
Speaker 1: We need you to protect basically everywhere. You need a.
1:08:23
Speaker 3: Position your body so you can protect the pocket and
1:08:25
Speaker 3: the entire outer hack.
1:08:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, just if you can protect sideline to sideline from
1:08:30
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage back to the other end zone,
1:08:33
Speaker 4: the back of the end zone, that'd be great. And
1:08:35
Speaker 4: then Gino wasn't a whole heck of a lot better.
1:08:38
Speaker 4: He was somewhat better.
1:08:40
Speaker 1: He was a little better.
1:08:41
Speaker 4: He didn't try to make super duper plays all the time.
1:08:44
Speaker 4: But he's still at times held onto the ball too long. Yes,
1:08:47
Speaker 4: I mean Hugh broke it down and told say, you
1:08:49
Speaker 4: just got to dirt that one. You get rid of
1:08:51
Speaker 4: that one and live to fight another day. And Sam Darnold,
1:08:54
Speaker 4: as much as some people need a scarlet d he's
1:08:57
Speaker 4: done a pretty good job of not sitting back there.
1:08:59
Speaker 6: Now.
1:09:00
Speaker 4: He's held onto it too long a couple of times
1:09:01
Speaker 4: and not felt the pressure and turned it into a fumble.
1:09:04
Speaker 4: But he hadn't tried to make crazy spectacular plays like
1:09:08
Speaker 4: giving up on the pass play too soon because I
1:09:10
Speaker 4: want to do something spectacular with my legs. I think
1:09:13
Speaker 4: he's done a much better job of being a pocket
1:09:15
Speaker 4: quarterback for that. I think a huge part of it
1:09:17
Speaker 4: does go to the offensive coordinator. I think Clint Kubiak.
1:09:20
Speaker 4: While they haven't been great at running the ball statistically,
1:09:24
Speaker 4: they've stuck with it from game one to game you know,
1:09:28
Speaker 4: seventeen of the season and then and now beyond, they
1:09:31
Speaker 4: get to it and it does lead down. We've talked about, man,
1:09:35
Speaker 4: why not more play action pass that they seem to work.
1:09:38
Speaker 4: That seems to work when they do it well. The
1:09:40
Speaker 4: only reason play action pass works is if they actually
1:09:43
Speaker 4: believe you're going to hand it off.
1:09:44
Speaker 1: He will say no, it doesn't matter. No, Yeah, well
1:09:49
Speaker 1: we remember that, Greg. I remember Greg bringing up a play.
1:09:52
Speaker 4: I think it was a fourth down couple years ago
1:09:54
Speaker 4: when Gina was a quarterback and they tried a play
1:09:56
Speaker 4: action pass and the linebacker the edge didn't even think
1:10:02
Speaker 4: about that they were going to hand it off. It
1:10:04
Speaker 4: was when what's his name from you dub the offensive
1:10:08
Speaker 4: coordinator that yeah Ryan, when he was yeah so a
1:10:12
Speaker 4: couple years ago.
1:10:13
Speaker 1: It was.
1:10:13
Speaker 4: It was when he was the guy, and it was
1:10:15
Speaker 4: like they weren't committing to running the ball, and so
1:10:18
Speaker 4: the defense didn't honor the play action part of the
1:10:21
Speaker 4: of the pass or the running part of the play
1:10:23
Speaker 4: action pass. So I do think that it's a cumulative effect.
1:10:27
Speaker 4: And yet they are definitely playing well enough right now
1:10:29
Speaker 4: to where they can play complimentary football and run it
1:10:32
Speaker 4: and pass it, and if they need to they need
1:10:34
Speaker 4: they can score a bunch of points.
1:10:36
Speaker 1: Most of the time they don't need to.
1:10:37
Speaker 3: And there seemed to be certainly more moments with Gino
1:10:41
Speaker 3: and certainly with Russell where you're like, he didn't have
1:10:44
Speaker 3: a chance on that play. Seemed to and I'm just
1:10:46
Speaker 3: making this up. I don't have statistical information to verify this,
1:10:51
Speaker 3: but it did seem like they had more of those, Oh,
1:10:54
Speaker 3: he didn't have a chance on that play. But it's
1:10:56
Speaker 3: not like Sam's been without those plays. I mean, hell,
1:10:59
Speaker 3: he had two two of them in big moments Sunday, right,
1:11:02
Speaker 3: Braden Fisk broke through, Kinchin's broke through, and Sam didn't
1:11:06
Speaker 3: have a chance. He's had more than you think. But
1:11:08
Speaker 3: because the perception is that we've added to the offensive
1:11:12
Speaker 3: line and the offensive and you're having success, that suddenly
1:11:17
Speaker 3: you know that that you don't think about those things
1:11:22
Speaker 3: as much when the truth of the matter is, yes,
1:11:24
Speaker 3: grays Abel has been a tremendous addition to this, Sundell
1:11:27
Speaker 3: has improved. Clint Kubiak, though, and Sam Donald, I think,
1:11:32
Speaker 3: are the main contributors to it not looking like we
1:11:36
Speaker 3: have a bad offensive line. And so I'm just relieved
1:11:41
Speaker 3: that it hasn't been as big a part of our conversation.
1:11:44
Speaker 3: It's about damn time, because it's been ten straight years,
1:11:46
Speaker 3: every single week that we've.
1:11:48
Speaker 7: Discussed this, Yeah, and it's annoying to have to talk
1:11:50
Speaker 7: about the same thing over and over and over. And
1:11:51
Speaker 7: I think you even look at what Sam Donald was
1:11:54
Speaker 7: able to accomplish in Minnesota with that line that everyone
1:11:57
Speaker 7: did say was bad, Well.
1:11:59
Speaker 1: It started out good by the end of the year,
1:12:01
Speaker 1: but he got hurt and they were terrible.
1:12:02
Speaker 7: They were terrible, and he I mean obviously last two
1:12:05
Speaker 7: games aside, but he's still maintained doing a good job.
1:12:08
Speaker 6: So I do think a lot of credit has to
1:12:09
Speaker 6: go to Darnold.
1:12:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was another argument at the beginning of the
1:12:13
Speaker 3: year with Sam where it was like, well, how's he
1:12:15
Speaker 3: going to look without a without skill great skill players
1:12:20
Speaker 3: and without a great line. Number one, he still has
1:12:23
Speaker 3: really good skill players. And number two, that was not
1:12:27
Speaker 3: a good line he played behind. Now with a Minnesota
1:12:29
Speaker 3: VIKA by the end of the year, the second half
1:12:31
Speaker 3: of the season, they were dreadful as a matter of fact,
1:12:35
Speaker 3: And so no, that's not a factor either. But grays
1:12:38
Speaker 3: Abel certainly has been a factor the effort toward the
1:12:42
Speaker 3: offensive line. Everybody on draft day, I know, especially those
1:12:46
Speaker 3: that sought more offensive line focus from John schneider Man,
1:12:52
Speaker 3: they got their wish when Zabel went tenth overall in
1:12:55
Speaker 3: the draft, and then you still ended up with Emon
1:12:58
Speaker 3: warr excuse me, eighteenth, and you still ended up with
1:13:01
Speaker 3: Eamon Worri in the second round at number thirty five.
1:13:05
Speaker 3: But forty percent of our offensive line here for the
1:13:09
Speaker 3: Seahawks is out of the College of North Dakota, State University.
1:13:14
Speaker 3: Earlier in the show, we chatted with a guy by
1:13:16
Speaker 3: the name of Dan Larson, who is the offensive coordinator
1:13:20
Speaker 3: there at North Dakota State, but from twenty twenty through
1:13:24
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four he was the offensive line coach. In
1:13:27
Speaker 3: other words, he was the offensive line coach for both
1:13:30
Speaker 3: Gray's abel and Jalen Sundell's development. And we asked coach
1:13:35
Speaker 3: Larson when he knew in coaching these two guys that
1:13:39
Speaker 3: they had a future of playing on Sundays.
1:13:41
Speaker 5: You know, probably just the beauty of North Dakota State.
1:13:43
Speaker 5: We never think the guys are good enough to do anything,
1:13:45
Speaker 5: so we just keep pushing them to a standard that
1:13:48
Speaker 5: we believe is just you know, can you just keep
1:13:51
Speaker 5: getting a little better and continue to improve. But I
1:13:53
Speaker 5: think what I saw, you know, when you saw Grave
1:13:56
Speaker 5: really start going through this draft process a little bit,
1:13:59
Speaker 5: and you know, the way that people are talking about
1:14:01
Speaker 5: some of the interview processes, I think you just start
1:14:04
Speaker 5: hearing a little bit of what they're looking for. And
1:14:06
Speaker 5: when I was fortunate to be able to go down
1:14:08
Speaker 5: and watch them in the Senior Bowl week, I think
1:14:10
Speaker 5: that's when it really like kind of even dawned on me.
1:14:12
Speaker 5: From a standpoint of like, man, this this guy's inn NFL,
1:14:15
Speaker 5: like he can do it at a really high level.
1:14:17
Speaker 5: And I think it was just competitiveness. The fact that
1:14:20
Speaker 5: he jumped in there. He's still playing the same way
1:14:22
Speaker 5: played the NDSU with the smile on the space. When
1:14:24
Speaker 5: when I watched Jalen run from a center standpoint, and
1:14:28
Speaker 5: then you kind of start watching even some of the
1:14:30
Speaker 5: other guys at the FBS level and even some of
1:14:32
Speaker 5: the guys in the NFL level, I thought, you know,
1:14:33
Speaker 5: his athleticism from the center position, I did think was
1:14:37
Speaker 5: going to allow him a chance to play. And again,
1:14:39
Speaker 5: we probably don't ever share We don't ever share those
1:14:41
Speaker 5: things with the players. We probably just tell them, you know, like, hey,
1:14:43
Speaker 5: you got to do it a little bit better if
1:14:44
Speaker 5: you if you want to play at the next level.
1:14:46
Speaker 5: But there were two really special athletes and just really
1:14:50
Speaker 5: different positions, but you could there were some things that
1:14:53
Speaker 5: kind of stand out to you. They're like, holy smokes,
1:14:55
Speaker 5: these guys got a chance.
1:14:56
Speaker 1: That's Dan Larson.
1:14:57
Speaker 3: If you want to hear the entire conversation, you can
1:14:59
Speaker 3: do so on our podcast ninety three to three khr
1:15:03
Speaker 3: dot com. It's nice to kind of go back to
1:15:05
Speaker 3: those humble beginnings for those two young men. Obviously big
1:15:11
Speaker 3: ten teams, SEC teams weren't necessarily knocking on the door.
1:15:14
Speaker 3: That is a phenomenal program up there at North Dakota State.
1:15:18
Speaker 3: They don't always crank out a lot of NFL talent,
1:15:21
Speaker 3: but they've cranked a lot out a lot more recently.
1:15:25
Speaker 3: Then they have a lot more than what you realize.
1:15:28
Speaker 3: And for that guy to be on the ground floor
1:15:30
Speaker 3: developing those two players and then see them side by
1:15:33
Speaker 3: side all season long, and now next Sunday gets to
1:15:36
Speaker 3: watch them play side by side in the super Bowl
1:15:39
Speaker 3: with all those crazy North of cootains. What a great
1:15:42
Speaker 3: accomplishment for Larson and what a great testament to their
1:15:46
Speaker 3: program and to those two young men.
1:15:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we heard not long ago.
1:15:50
Speaker 4: I think we were having a conversation about nil and
1:15:54
Speaker 4: college and then you'd heard that greys Abel. Maybe it
1:15:57
Speaker 4: was during the draft, but Greysabel could have went somewhere
1:16:00
Speaker 4: like he had pushed. He had played himself into being
1:16:04
Speaker 4: recognized even from the small school that he was at,
1:16:08
Speaker 4: that he was going to be in an NFL prospect
1:16:10
Speaker 4: and probably could have went somewhere else and instead's like, no,
1:16:12
Speaker 4: I'm going to stay where I started. I'm gonna stay
1:16:14
Speaker 4: with the people that believe to me when none of
1:16:16
Speaker 4: those big schools did. Now they want to come, Oh hey,
1:16:19
Speaker 4: this guy's pretty good. They turned that guy that we
1:16:22
Speaker 4: thought was crap into something that was pretty good. Let's
1:16:24
Speaker 4: go get him and see if he wants to come
1:16:26
Speaker 4: player play for our big program. I love the fact
1:16:28
Speaker 4: that he said no. I think offensive linemen, especially interior
1:16:32
Speaker 4: offensive linemen, might be the perfect ones that you want
1:16:35
Speaker 4: to have a little bit of a small school, small
1:16:37
Speaker 4: town overlooked me. If you want, oh my arms aren't
1:16:40
Speaker 4: long enough, Okay, well just bring it me. Let's see
1:16:44
Speaker 4: if you can get by me that type of meanness
1:16:46
Speaker 4: and nastiness. And yeah, so I think for you know,
1:16:49
Speaker 4: if you're a coach of a small program, you know
1:16:52
Speaker 4: that part of your motivational speech on day one is
1:16:55
Speaker 4: a lot of people think we're not any good. You
1:16:57
Speaker 4: guys are castaways or afterthoughts when it come to college
1:17:00
Speaker 4: football players. But we're gonna go ahead and just let
1:17:03
Speaker 4: you know we're gonna We're here to win whatever conference
1:17:06
Speaker 4: we play in, and if you do well here, you
1:17:08
Speaker 4: can go to the NFL. Now, of a sudden, anybody
1:17:10
Speaker 4: that's thinking about going to North Dakota State gets to
1:17:13
Speaker 4: watch two guys playing side by side in the Super
1:17:15
Speaker 4: Bowl in a couple of weeks.
1:17:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I like the idea of having an
1:17:17
Speaker 3: offensive lineman where who's there almost always asked, well, what
1:17:20
Speaker 3: did you do with your first signing bonus? And it's
1:17:24
Speaker 3: almost always like, I bought a new car, I bought
1:17:27
Speaker 3: a house for mom. I kind of like my offensive
1:17:29
Speaker 3: lineman's answer to be I bought a tractor, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:17:34
Speaker 6: About a new crop field.
1:17:36
Speaker 1: Got a tractor and some feed yeah yeah, oh about yeah, yeah,
1:17:41
Speaker 1: I gotta feed the animal.
1:17:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the range to take care of sounds like
1:17:46
Speaker 3: a lineman to me right there. Yeah, I like a
1:17:48
Speaker 3: guy that's business card, says farmer slash NFL guard. I
1:17:53
Speaker 3: would like that, all right, Mike Sando said, Next, we'll
1:17:59
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1:18:19
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1:18:23
Speaker 3: every Thursday at this time, and boy, what a good
1:18:26
Speaker 3: time to have Mike Sando on.
1:18:28
Speaker 1: Because of vote Gate.
1:18:29
Speaker 3: You do know, Mike that every time Bill Belichick's involved
1:18:32
Speaker 3: with something, it has to be gate at the end
1:18:34
Speaker 3: of it.
1:18:35
Speaker 1: Spy does gate gate, spy gallgate, deflate.
1:18:39
Speaker 3: Gate, hallgate, you know, too young of a girlfriend gate.
1:18:44
Speaker 1: Everything's got to be given a gate, Mike. When it
1:18:47
Speaker 1: comes to Belichick, it's Belichick, it does.
1:18:49
Speaker 2: Everybody should have a gate, as in a walk right
1:18:51
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame. Let's just get that straight true.
1:18:55
Speaker 2: The fact that he doesn't is the product of.
1:18:59
Speaker 1: Youth.
1:19:00
Speaker 2: I mean, one is that some of the voters, not me,
1:19:06
Speaker 2: but some of the voters are very concerned with finalists
1:19:11
Speaker 2: and who've been waiting a long time. And so instead
1:19:14
Speaker 2: of looking at the class and just saying, hey, Belichick's
1:19:16
Speaker 2: the best, he goes in. When forced to choose between
1:19:19
Speaker 2: Belichick and in this case, some senior players that may
1:19:22
Speaker 2: never get a chance to be in the room again,
1:19:24
Speaker 2: they prioritize some of those guys who they know don't
1:19:27
Speaker 2: have the same resume as Belichick, and so That's why,
1:19:30
Speaker 2: especially now that the NFL has or the Hall of
1:19:33
Speaker 2: Fame has last year, made it harder to get in
1:19:36
Speaker 2: for everybody. That combination has created this, I think embarrassing situation.
1:19:44
Speaker 1: Not everybody does.
1:19:45
Speaker 2: Some people do have issues with the spygate and those
1:19:47
Speaker 2: sorts of things, and some people have issues with the
1:19:49
Speaker 2: fact that you know, they just now magically change the
1:19:53
Speaker 2: rules so coaches don't have to wait five years like
1:19:55
Speaker 2: everyone else, they just wait one, and so there's I
1:19:58
Speaker 2: think there's some annoyance with some of those. But for me,
1:20:01
Speaker 2: it's just really simple. I just picked the best guys
1:20:03
Speaker 2: every year, and if somebody is waiting a long time,
1:20:06
Speaker 2: that's just the way it goes. So for me, somebody
1:20:10
Speaker 2: like Luke Keigley last year would have gone in, not necessarily,
1:20:14
Speaker 2: he would have gone in over Eric Allen, who went in.
1:20:17
Speaker 2: Eric had been waiting nineteen years, and I think that
1:20:19
Speaker 2: helped him get in, even though Luke Keighley is better,
1:20:23
Speaker 2: in my opinion, more of a dynamic player. So that's
1:20:26
Speaker 2: really what needs to be resolved, and I think there
1:20:27
Speaker 2: will be a structural change in the voting to take
1:20:29
Speaker 2: the coaches and maybe even the contributors away from competing
1:20:33
Speaker 2: with the seniors. Now that it's clear there's a lot
1:20:36
Speaker 2: of people voting for these seniors, just more on principle
1:20:41
Speaker 2: of not letting them disappear forever then because they think
1:20:44
Speaker 2: they're better than somebody who didn't get in. In this case,
1:20:47
Speaker 2: maybe the greatest coach in the history of the NFL,
1:20:49
Speaker 2: certainly a top five in Bill Belichick. Having to wait
1:20:53
Speaker 2: is shining light on this in a big way.
1:20:56
Speaker 4: Sand I mean, you use the word embarrassing, and I
1:20:59
Speaker 4: would agree with you on that. And yet the way
1:21:01
Speaker 4: that it's set up, you don't really have much of
1:21:03
Speaker 4: a choice. You just either vote, you vote however you
1:21:07
Speaker 4: are going to vote. If you only have three votes
1:21:09
Speaker 4: and you spread them out, you say you just give
1:21:11
Speaker 4: them to the best, and other people are like, ah,
1:21:13
Speaker 4: but this person might not ever get a chance, and
1:21:15
Speaker 4: I think they're probably deserving. In Belichick, he'll get in
1:21:18
Speaker 4: for sure. So it is the embarrassment that goes along
1:21:22
Speaker 4: with this enough that they're going to change the process
1:21:25
Speaker 4: because to me, the idea of you only have a
1:21:28
Speaker 4: certain amount of votes and yet and so you're essentially
1:21:32
Speaker 4: by voting for Belichick, you're taking it away from someone else.
1:21:35
Speaker 4: Some people would look at it as that is that
1:21:38
Speaker 4: enough to is this embarrassment or this like, what in
1:21:40
Speaker 4: the hell hell does that guy not get in there?
1:21:42
Speaker 4: Are they going to change it?
1:21:43
Speaker 2: I think they are and I haven't talked to anyone
1:21:45
Speaker 2: at the Hall, but I felt this last year. When
1:21:47
Speaker 2: Holmgren missed, I was shocked. Okay, last year was the
1:21:50
Speaker 2: first time they had it to where the coach, the contributor,
1:21:55
Speaker 2: and the three seniors compete against each other. So I
1:21:58
Speaker 2: presented the case for Mike Holmgrind to the room, first
1:22:01
Speaker 2: to the subcommittee on Coaches, then to the whole panel,
1:22:03
Speaker 2: and it like it went over really well. There's there's
1:22:06
Speaker 2: everyone thinks Holmgren' is a Hall of Famer. And then
1:22:08
Speaker 2: when it came out and he and he missed, I
1:22:11
Speaker 2: was mystified. I really couldn't figure it out. People were
1:22:14
Speaker 2: calling me like what happened? I couldn't believe it, and
1:22:18
Speaker 2: I've been spent the last year trying to figure it out.
1:22:20
Speaker 2: And my initial conclusion was, well, this math is difficult.
1:22:24
Speaker 2: But then I think I've seen now because if you
1:22:27
Speaker 2: read in the Kansas City Star, the voter in the
1:22:31
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame Vaja Gregorian, who is on the committee
1:22:34
Speaker 2: rights for the Kansas City Star. He did a big
1:22:36
Speaker 2: column talking about how he voted just for the three seniors,
1:22:39
Speaker 2: even though he thinks, even though he thinks Belichick's better
1:22:43
Speaker 2: that then the light bulb went off in my head.
1:22:45
Speaker 2: That's what happened to Holmgren. And so last year, only
1:22:49
Speaker 2: one of the five made it in because because here's
1:22:51
Speaker 2: how it works, you have these five guys, like you know,
1:22:54
Speaker 2: last year it was Holmgren, a contributor, and three seniors.
1:22:59
Speaker 2: So the top vote getter gets in, and then up
1:23:02
Speaker 2: to two more can get in if forty of the
1:23:04
Speaker 2: fifty vote for him. But if there's fifty voters and
1:23:08
Speaker 2: you have to pick three, there's only one hundred and fifty.
1:23:10
Speaker 1: Votes to go around.
1:23:10
Speaker 2: So let's just say Sharp. Last year, Stirling Sharp made
1:23:15
Speaker 2: it in. He was a senior player. Let's say he
1:23:17
Speaker 2: gets forty eight votes. Now you only have one hundred
1:23:19
Speaker 2: and two left for everyone else. Well, Holmgren would normally
1:23:22
Speaker 2: get more than forty, but what if there's some people
1:23:25
Speaker 2: that were like those other two seniors, they just want
1:23:27
Speaker 2: to get him through because they feel like that's their
1:23:28
Speaker 2: only chance. Because those seniors. Last year, Maxie bond and
1:23:34
Speaker 2: forgive me the three seniors. None of them made it
1:23:36
Speaker 2: back this year. Okay, none of them made it back.
1:23:38
Speaker 2: They're just gone. And so I think there's people in
1:23:41
Speaker 2: that room. I know there is because vahe wrote about it,
1:23:44
Speaker 2: who were like, this is our only chance at Roger Craig,
1:23:46
Speaker 2: or Ken Anderson or Elsie Greenwood. We got to vote him.
1:23:49
Speaker 2: And they're saying the process, the setup is flawed to
1:23:51
Speaker 2: make them pit him against Home or against Belichick. Yeah,
1:23:55
Speaker 2: but that's the choice they made, and so they could
1:23:57
Speaker 2: be right in the process is flawed. But to me,
1:23:59
Speaker 2: that's too don't make her right? Don't you agree?
1:24:03
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do agree. Yeah, if I'm voting for it,
1:24:05
Speaker 1: I'm voting for the three best on the ballot. That's
1:24:07
Speaker 1: the whole point of it all.
1:24:09
Speaker 3: But but but why are they even on the same level?
1:24:15
Speaker 3: Why why do they have matched Why can't we just
1:24:18
Speaker 3: have all of those veterans And then it's just that
1:24:21
Speaker 3: that are on it for the last time and they
1:24:23
Speaker 3: got one last chance, like yes or no eighty percent
1:24:27
Speaker 3: and put Belichick in coaches and contributors on a completely here.
1:24:31
Speaker 2: Here's why vote here, here's why. It's kind of like
1:24:34
Speaker 2: this My wife used always asking me to laugh at
1:24:37
Speaker 2: the NFL when I was covering it. She'd be like
1:24:40
Speaker 2: covering it on the beat, you know, she'd be like,
1:24:42
Speaker 2: how did they come up with this franchise tag rule? Wait,
1:24:44
Speaker 2: you get no if we get to match your contract offer.
1:24:48
Speaker 2: But if we don't, then we get two first round picks.
1:24:51
Speaker 2: And she's picturing a bunch of boys sitting in a
1:24:53
Speaker 2: room coming up with this stupid stuff, right, Like, the
1:24:56
Speaker 2: reason these things happen is because no one ever sharts fresh.
1:25:00
Speaker 2: You're always reacting a little bit to something. It's almost
1:25:03
Speaker 2: like adding to the rule book in football, right, if
1:25:07
Speaker 2: you go back fifty years, the rule books thirty pages.
1:25:09
Speaker 2: Now it's one hundred and thirty pages, because they keep
1:25:12
Speaker 2: adding things, trying to improve it. And so I think
1:25:15
Speaker 2: that's what happens here. They don't just start over. They
1:25:19
Speaker 2: see a problem and they try to adjust for it.
1:25:21
Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty, the Hall of Fame put in
1:25:24
Speaker 2: the centennial class of twenty people, tons of people, dean standers,
1:25:28
Speaker 2: started complaining, we're putting in too many of these guys.
1:25:30
Speaker 2: These guys aren't like me, they're not the game changers.
1:25:33
Speaker 2: So then what do they do they tweak the rules
1:25:35
Speaker 2: to make it a little harder to get in where
1:25:37
Speaker 2: you're now voting it with these zero sum voting against
1:25:39
Speaker 2: each other. That'll make it more exclusive. But the unintended
1:25:42
Speaker 2: consequences some of the voters are like, well, we're not
1:25:45
Speaker 2: going to vote that way. Sorry, So now there has
1:25:48
Speaker 2: to be a correction off of that, And in the meantime,
1:25:51
Speaker 2: the credibility of the process comes into question, especially about
1:25:56
Speaker 2: people who don't understand it. That's why I've been at
1:25:58
Speaker 2: least trying to explain it, saying I think it's right,
1:26:01
Speaker 2: but I can explain it.
1:26:02
Speaker 1: I know how it happened. Yeah, I mean no doubt
1:26:06
Speaker 1: about it that there's a reason why it happened.
1:26:08
Speaker 4: Is there any chance that this doesn't get fixed before
1:26:12
Speaker 4: tom Brady has to hit this?
1:26:15
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's going right in. Tom Brady's going right in,
1:26:17
Speaker 2: like like this year. Now, let's see, So this year'll
1:26:20
Speaker 2: be a good test because Drew Brees and Larry Fitzgerald
1:26:23
Speaker 2: are on that ballot.
1:26:24
Speaker 1: Okay, And I don't know who made it.
1:26:27
Speaker 2: I don't know who is gonna make it.
1:26:29
Speaker 1: I don't know how many. I don't know who they are.
1:26:31
Speaker 1: But if for some reason.
1:26:35
Speaker 2: Like, if Drew Brees didn't make it, I mean, they're
1:26:39
Speaker 2: gonna they may close the Hall of Fame. You know,
1:26:42
Speaker 2: I might resign from the thing at that point. I mean,
1:26:45
Speaker 2: but that would tell you there's even a bigger problem, right,
1:26:48
Speaker 2: because there's other people that are on that ballot. Willie
1:26:51
Speaker 2: Anderson eighteen years waiting or eighteen times a finals or whatever.
1:26:54
Speaker 2: It is a really good tackle for the Bengals. If
1:26:57
Speaker 2: he gets prioritized over someone who's better and rises to
1:27:03
Speaker 2: the level of a breeze, which I don't think it will,
1:27:05
Speaker 2: then all hell's going to break loose. I think last year, though,
1:27:08
Speaker 2: we got our answer a little bit because Eric Allen
1:27:11
Speaker 2: made it in his nineteenth chance and Luke Keighley didn't.
1:27:14
Speaker 2: Luke Keigley to me, is more elite.
1:27:17
Speaker 1: I would vote for him.
1:27:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, But those guys who are looking at this process going,
1:27:21
Speaker 2: wait a minute, Eric Allen's going to be lost forever.
1:27:23
Speaker 2: He's gonna go in the Senior Committee. They're prioritizing him,
1:27:25
Speaker 2: and that's why at the end of the voting, I'm like,
1:27:27
Speaker 2: how did this happen?
1:27:28
Speaker 1: That's how it happened. We got to change that, in
1:27:30
Speaker 1: my opinion, Yeah, Can we just just change how long
1:27:34
Speaker 1: it does drag out?
1:27:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I personally think that somebody that is accomplished
1:27:40
Speaker 3: as just being a Hall of Fame candidate should not
1:27:44
Speaker 3: have this affect their happiness and their health, and yet
1:27:48
Speaker 3: Mike it does. I mean, Drew Pearson was on the
1:27:51
Speaker 3: last ballot, was in tears, and I think the only
1:27:53
Speaker 3: reason he got into the Hall of Fame is because
1:27:55
Speaker 3: he cried publicly the year before about what it's done
1:27:58
Speaker 3: to him and his personal health. Is there a way
1:28:01
Speaker 3: that we can just stop torturing these former Hall of.
1:28:05
Speaker 2: Fame Well, they've they've made it a little bit better.
1:28:09
Speaker 2: If you go back to remember when when when David Baker.
1:28:12
Speaker 1: Ran the Hall of Fame.
1:28:13
Speaker 2: He was that huge guy, you know, who was like
1:28:16
Speaker 2: a real leaguemmissioner. Before'd always see that guy and like,
1:28:18
Speaker 2: who is that guy? He was like Chris Berman's brother.
1:28:20
Speaker 2: It was like Chris Berman's giant. You know, if Chris
1:28:25
Speaker 2: Berman was paired with the jolly green giant, you'd have Baker,
1:28:28
Speaker 2: a big, old guy and he was kind of a showman.
1:28:31
Speaker 2: And remember he's the one who started the knock on
1:28:33
Speaker 2: the door thing.
1:28:33
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember the knock on the door.
1:28:35
Speaker 2: But when they first did that, they had all fifteen
1:28:39
Speaker 2: of those guys sitting in their rooms at the hotel
1:28:41
Speaker 2: not knowing, and they would go knock like the day before,
1:28:44
Speaker 2: and then if you didn't make it, you'd go home
1:28:46
Speaker 2: crying with your family because you didn't make it.
1:28:48
Speaker 1: The door would never be knocked on.
1:28:51
Speaker 2: That's how it was. I mean, can you imagine torture. Yeah,
1:28:55
Speaker 2: so you know, now what they do is they're going
1:28:58
Speaker 2: to do those knocks on the doors. They're going to
1:29:00
Speaker 2: but they're going to tell the finalists what are they
1:29:03
Speaker 2: made it or not, like I believe late last week.
1:29:05
Speaker 2: So that's how this came out. Right, Belichick got told
1:29:08
Speaker 2: this and then you know, I don't know if Beeltic's
1:29:12
Speaker 2: got a girlfriend or something, but if he does, maybe
1:29:14
Speaker 2: she finds out, you know, maybe other people find out,
1:29:17
Speaker 2: and pretty soon it gets around.
1:29:20
Speaker 1: And that's how it got out. Mike Sando is with
1:29:24
Speaker 1: us here on the program. I think I should mention
1:29:25
Speaker 1: this as well.
1:29:27
Speaker 3: There was a statement released by the NFL yesterday and
1:29:30
Speaker 3: I think everybody just kind of glanced over it and thought, oh,
1:29:34
Speaker 3: finally they're going to address this immediately changes to the
1:29:37
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. But that's not what that release was about.
1:29:40
Speaker 3: It was about people not sharing information about what they
1:29:44
Speaker 3: did in that private vote, was it not?
1:29:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so ESPN Seth Wickersham, Don Van Nantta. They're
1:29:50
Speaker 2: kind of investigated for porters for ESPN, and they broke
1:29:55
Speaker 2: the story. Now, I think their source would be somebody
1:29:57
Speaker 2: who's in Belichick's circle, right, they would if they had
1:30:00
Speaker 2: four sources, and Belchiack himself could have been could have
1:30:02
Speaker 2: confirmed it.
1:30:03
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
1:30:05
Speaker 2: A Hall of Fame selector wouldn't know that, Like a
1:30:07
Speaker 2: voter like me wouldn't know who got in. But somebody
1:30:11
Speaker 2: they quoted somebody, I don't know how many, but they
1:30:12
Speaker 2: quoted someone who's on the panel saying, Hey, Bill Pullian,
1:30:16
Speaker 2: who's a voter, was saying this, or this guy was
1:30:18
Speaker 2: saying that that's a strict no no. So they tell
1:30:22
Speaker 2: us that all the time. It's just a given. Like
1:30:23
Speaker 2: I'll discuss my own thinking, I'll discuss general thoughts on
1:30:28
Speaker 2: you know, what could be a pro or con for
1:30:30
Speaker 2: a candidate. But I would never say, and I would
1:30:32
Speaker 2: never say privately to anybody, hey, actually, you know I
1:30:36
Speaker 2: wouldn't want someone else going Hey, actually Sando's a big
1:30:39
Speaker 2: advocate for this guy, and he's raised this issue.
1:30:41
Speaker 1: Right.
1:30:42
Speaker 2: We can't have that because you got to feel like
1:30:43
Speaker 2: you can go in that room and say whatever you
1:30:45
Speaker 2: want and have it be an open thing and not
1:30:49
Speaker 2: have it be taken out of context or use against
1:30:51
Speaker 2: you in some way. Because we all raise questions in there, right,
1:30:55
Speaker 2: I mean, it's doing your job. We don't just rubber
1:30:58
Speaker 2: stamp these guys. We say, hey, what about spygates? Should
1:31:03
Speaker 2: that factor in? If you have an issue with that,
1:31:04
Speaker 2: bring it up, or hey, this guy's career was shorter.
1:31:10
Speaker 2: You know, is that a deal breaker for you? Let
1:31:12
Speaker 2: us know if it is, because we want to address that, right,
1:31:16
Speaker 2: We want to talk about it. We don't want to
1:31:17
Speaker 2: be surprised in the end when somebody doesn't make it
1:31:19
Speaker 2: and there was some big thing that never got addressed.
1:31:21
Speaker 2: So we hash all this stuff out and sometimes there's debates,
1:31:24
Speaker 2: and sometimes there's eye rolling, and sometimes the voices get raised,
1:31:28
Speaker 2: and you know, it's exactly if we were doing it,
1:31:31
Speaker 2: if we were doing this in a room ourselves, we'd
1:31:33
Speaker 2: get into it, right, And that's just part of the process,
1:31:36
Speaker 2: and that has to stay in there, and some of
1:31:40
Speaker 2: it didn't and I don't even think what got out
1:31:41
Speaker 2: was sort of accurate all of it. You know, it's
1:31:44
Speaker 2: just one person's recollection of something, and I don't think
1:31:47
Speaker 2: it captured it.
1:31:49
Speaker 1: All right.
1:31:49
Speaker 3: Fifteen second answer, Will there be changes between now and
1:31:53
Speaker 3: next year?
1:31:54
Speaker 1: Do you think? Yes? Okay? All right? One word answer.
1:31:57
Speaker 1: That worked too. I think the uh.
1:31:59
Speaker 2: I think the coach and or the contributor will be
1:32:02
Speaker 2: separated from the seniors. Good for the health of all
1:32:04
Speaker 2: of them. Okay, good, good, And once that happens, Belichick
1:32:07
Speaker 2: will go in home.
1:32:08
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in and we'll have some logic. In
1:32:12
Speaker 1: my opinion, logic is good. I like logic. All right, Well,
1:32:16
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the super Bowl with you next week.
1:32:19
Speaker 3: We'll be down there, so hopefully I mean at the
1:32:22
Speaker 3: same person. Yeah, that'd be great, but hopefully we can
1:32:25
Speaker 3: work that out. I know it's gonna be busy, and
1:32:27
Speaker 3: apparently the super Bowl is going to be held in
1:32:29
Speaker 3: like three different locations.
1:32:31
Speaker 2: Also, you know, on some of those days, like you
1:32:34
Speaker 2: go to the team access, so it kind of depends
1:32:36
Speaker 2: on when, like I might be at the Seahawks, you know,
1:32:38
Speaker 2: a hotel or something. I don't know when their sessions
1:32:40
Speaker 2: or do you know if there are there are there
1:32:41
Speaker 2: sessions in the afternoon of the morning.
1:32:43
Speaker 1: Now, I do not know.
1:32:45
Speaker 2: We'll figure all that out.
1:32:46
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. Yeah, all right, Mike. Well, we'll
1:32:48
Speaker 1: see you one way or the other next week. Look
1:32:50
Speaker 1: forward to It's gonna be so much fun.
1:32:51
Speaker 2: It is so fun for the city, Isn't it just
1:32:53
Speaker 2: great for everybody?
1:32:54
Speaker 1: So I'll see you guys there. All right.
1:32:56
Speaker 3: Mike Sando, our NFL insider, joining us right here on
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