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QUEEN VISIONARY ANGELA SITTING IN FOR PATRICE GRIMBALL | SC BOOKGAL & FRIENDS · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In All. Welcome to the sc book gall and friends check.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be talk about the latest and book reviews,
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  Speaker 1: author interviews and life. Come on in and join us.
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  Speaker 1: We're ready, are you well? Hello, Hello, hello, and welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, of course y'all know if I am not Patrice,
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  Speaker 1: but I tell you I'm excited. I'm excited to be here,
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  Speaker 1: to be able to step in for her on tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you, every chance I get to come from
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, I tell you I truly, truly, truly,
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  Speaker 1: truly enjoy it tonight. It's gonna be nothing shy of
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  Speaker 1: any Tuesday night when Patrise is here. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: meeting another author. We're gonna be talking about another book.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be getting an opportunity to get up close
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  Speaker 1: and personal. We have an amazing I tell you, I
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  Speaker 1: have been enjoying the conversation behind the scenes, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: just excited to be able to allow her to share
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  Speaker 1: on tonight. So before we get started, I'm gonna share
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit about this amazing queen, and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna allow her to come up and tell her
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  Speaker 1: own story, because y'all know how I say, Hey, nobody
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  Speaker 1: tell your story like you. So I'm gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and share a little bit of intro her introduction, and
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  Speaker 1: then she's gonna I'm gonna bring her up and allow
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  Speaker 1: her to share.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: Jj Winston is a Cleveland based award winning author, licensed
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  Speaker 1: independent social worker, attorney, and family court magistrate who's fictional
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  Speaker 1: series explores mental health, social justice, resilience, human trafficking awareness,
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  Speaker 1: sickle cell disease. JJ Winston blends her professional experience and
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  Speaker 1: behavior health with storytelling to address critical societal issue. She
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  Speaker 1: has written multiple novels, including The Anniversary in twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: The Commentation in twenty twenty, and y'all forgive me if
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  Speaker 1: I miss that word of in her latest novel, The
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  Speaker 1: Revelation twenty twenty five, as well as a non fiction workbook,
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  Speaker 1: The Anniversary Guide to Behavioral Health Workbook, which discusses prompts
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  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. Her series follows a ficual, the Fictual
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  Speaker 1: Stubbs Family, and explores themes of trauma, loss, communication, marriage, acceptance,
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  Speaker 1: and forgiveness, while highlighting the challenge is faced by individuals
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  Speaker 1: living with behavioral health disorders. I'm gonna move on out
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  Speaker 1: the way, y'all and allow this amazing queen to come
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  Speaker 1: up and share a little bit of herself. Y'all know,
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  Speaker 1: Patrice has this hot seat going on, So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be in the hot seat for a little while, and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna allow her to tell her story, and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna dive a little deep into some of these books
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  Speaker 1: that she has written without mother Winston. Welcome, Welcome, welcome,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 4: It's such an honor to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you well, thank you for taking the time to
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  Speaker 1: come and share, because I know that you know, as authors,
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  Speaker 1: we sometimes have to have other things going on. We
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  Speaker 1: don't always we haven't made meellions out of these books yet,
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  Speaker 1: but we still hold nine to five. So sometimes it
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  Speaker 1: can be hard to get a chance to sit down.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for taking a chance
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  Speaker 1: to come in and sit down and talk about JJ Winston.
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  Speaker 1: Who is JJ Winston.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you told a lot about what I do already.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I've done, but I am.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a magistrate.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I do to get by, you know, my
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  Speaker 5: money every month, but also am a writer and that's
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  Speaker 5: what I do to Basically, I feel it's something that
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  Speaker 5: comes from my soul that I just really want to
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  Speaker 5: share my wisdom with the world. And I also just
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  Speaker 5: want to take an opportunity to get people to really
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  Speaker 5: learn more about mental health, particularly those people who look
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  Speaker 5: like us.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you, mental health is one of those things
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of black and brown people do not
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  Speaker 1: like to talk about. That has definitely been one of
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  Speaker 1: those topics that they like the rush under the rug.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we always we always hear people telling us
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  Speaker 1: to pray about it. But I tell you, some of
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  Speaker 1: the things you can't just slap no all alone, and
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  Speaker 1: you can't just do just sometimes you need.
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  Speaker 5: To go sit down.
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  Speaker 1: And we ain't laying down on couches no more, but
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  Speaker 1: sometime we need to go sit down and have that
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  Speaker 1: conversation so we can get those things out. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be the first to tell you that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: exempt people think I got it all together.
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  Speaker 6: People see me and they think, well, she just knows
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  Speaker 6: the baby girl. Sometimes sometimes I suffer with anxiety. But
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  Speaker 6: you know what, when I realize what it, I was
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  Speaker 6: able to get helpful. I was able to be able
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  Speaker 6: to recognize it so that I can be able to
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  Speaker 6: tell somebody else. And because I tell other people about it,
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  Speaker 6: then guess what, I got to be accountable too. So
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  Speaker 6: when I feel like I'm going through something, I know
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  Speaker 6: how to tell my doctor, Hey, can you can you
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  Speaker 6: get me something?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely? Absolutely? And you know what, I just want to
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  Speaker 5: stress for your listeners and your reader, I mean the
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  Speaker 5: people who are watching online that you know, even if
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  Speaker 5: you're not going to a therapist or psychiatrist, just talking
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  Speaker 5: to people who are close to you, not keeping things
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  Speaker 5: bottled up.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there are things that we're all dealing with.
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  Speaker 5: I name my first book The Anniversary, because there are
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  Speaker 5: a lot of times people are dealing with personal anniversaries
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  Speaker 5: that other people may not know about. You know, so
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  Speaker 5: when you think about like nine to eleven, that's an anniversary,
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  Speaker 5: you know the world. You know, our country celebrates nine
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  Speaker 5: to eleven because it's an anniversary, but it's not something
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  Speaker 5: that's fun. A lot of us are dealing with things
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  Speaker 5: that you know, a date means something to us, that's
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  Speaker 5: the day somebody pass or a holiday means something because
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  Speaker 5: it's not the holidays it used to be, because the
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  Speaker 5: people you love are no longer here. So I do
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  Speaker 5: think it's important, like you said, to recognize it and
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  Speaker 5: to also you know, go and talk to people if
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  Speaker 5: you need, you know, to get some assistance, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and not be shame about it. And as family members
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  Speaker 5: and friends what we need to do. It's also not
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  Speaker 5: make people feel shame if somebody comes to you, you know,
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  Speaker 5: help them. And also realized that we have a lot
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  Speaker 5: of churches that have behavior health ministries with any you know,
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  Speaker 5: so ask your church, you know, because a lot of
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  Speaker 5: times they have people there who are willing to.
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  Speaker 1: Help if you ask, ask for it, right, because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people have realized that, you know, we need
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  Speaker 1: more than prayer. It's not just prayer. And I tell
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  Speaker 1: I tell people all the time. One thing about the
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  Speaker 1: Father is he knew everything that we was gonna need,
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  Speaker 1: and he equipped us. He allowed these every every profession
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  Speaker 1: that is out here, it just didn't happen by happenstance.
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  Speaker 1: He put those things in place because he knew everything
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  Speaker 1: that we was gonna need. He put doctors in place,
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  Speaker 1: he put nurses in place, he puts forbotamins in place.
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  Speaker 1: He put all these professions in place because he knew
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  Speaker 1: that at some point in time that we were gonna
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  Speaker 1: need them absolutely, you know, And so it's here for
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  Speaker 1: a reason, for a reason, and we have to learn
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  Speaker 1: how to utilize everything. You know. He he gives we
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  Speaker 1: have ministers and first ladies and different people within the
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  Speaker 1: ministry that in their profession, they operate in different things
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  Speaker 1: in their profession outside of being in the ministry, so
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  Speaker 1: they're able to intertwine both. I tell you, when you
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  Speaker 1: got both, it's something amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, and so I think that people should really
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  Speaker 4: reach out.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, my book follows like a fictional family
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  Speaker 5: and my main character he receives some extremely disturbing news
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  Speaker 5: that basically cause us it to have like a breakdown
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  Speaker 5: and all the things that the family has to deal
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  Speaker 5: with because of it.
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  Speaker 4: And it also is the series really does also explore trauma.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of us are dealing with traumatic events, things
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  Speaker 5: that happen to us, things we saw, you know, as children,
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  Speaker 5: you know, as adults, and you know, sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to get over these things. And what we
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  Speaker 5: should do is again seek help because what I tell people,
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  Speaker 5: the analogy I like to use is you could have
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  Speaker 5: a small scratch that if I put a band aid
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  Speaker 5: on it, it'll heal, but if you don't get it treated,
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  Speaker 5: it'll turn it to gang green. I gotta cut your
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  Speaker 5: hand off, right, Okay, that's what can happen with mental health.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it could just get so bad because you
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  Speaker 5: don't get the treatment that you need that by the
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  Speaker 5: time you make it to get treatment, we may have
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  Speaker 5: to do more extreme things because now you're very ill. Right,
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  Speaker 5: because we know we.
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  Speaker 1: Let things go unaddressed, then it builds up. I tell people,
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  Speaker 1: we always want to brush something under the rug, But
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  Speaker 1: guess what, if you keep brushing it under the rug,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to become a hell and then you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to not gonna be able to walk
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  Speaker 1: over it because it's gonna start mounting up and it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna start you're gonna have to climb over it.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, that's exactly great.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of you're gonna have to address it. You
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  Speaker 1: can't keep brushing it under the rub because it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: become a pile one day.
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  Speaker 5: And to be exactly right, that is exactly right, And
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  Speaker 5: so what I'm hoping that my fiction does is really
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  Speaker 5: raise awareness within our community. And then you know, I
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  Speaker 5: added in some extra themes that I found to be important.
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  Speaker 5: One of them is the sickle cell theme. And just
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  Speaker 5: from a personal perspective, I have a child that lives
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  Speaker 5: with sickle cell disease, and I have a parent. I
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  Speaker 5: lost a parent when I was a child from sickle
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  Speaker 5: cell disease, and I have a number of relatives who
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  Speaker 5: are living with sickle cell disease. And it's you know,
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  Speaker 5: in my family, it's more common, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 5: But there are a lot of people who know that
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  Speaker 5: they may carry a gene for it, but they don't,
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  Speaker 5: you know, know a lot about it. It's really important
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  Speaker 5: even for me, you know, I lost the appearent to
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  Speaker 5: sickle cell disease. And so what I really wanted to
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  Speaker 5: do was just teach people about this because you know,
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  Speaker 5: even though I lost a parent, and I felt that
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  Speaker 5: I was very knowledgeable, you know, about this particular subject matter.
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  Speaker 5: You know, my husband, he doesn't have sickle cell trait
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  Speaker 5: like me. He has a team called Hemoglobe and C
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  Speaker 5: And it's like if you put two people who have
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  Speaker 5: a hemoglobe and C gene, nothing would happen. But if
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  Speaker 5: you take that chemoglobe and C gene and put it
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  Speaker 5: with my sickle cell gene, you get a form of
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  Speaker 5: sickle cell or you can't get a form of sickle
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  Speaker 5: cell called hemoglobe in SC and that's what my daughter
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  Speaker 5: has R and so I had never even heard of it.
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  Speaker 5: So so and I'm like, if I got a parent,
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  Speaker 5: who you know? I lost a parent and I lost
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  Speaker 5: also two aunts and an uncle to sickle cell disease.
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  Speaker 5: And I did not even realize that there was you know,
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  Speaker 5: that this could happen. I thought it had to be
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  Speaker 5: somebody else who had sickle cell trade. So when I
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  Speaker 5: asked my husband, do you have sickle cell trade?
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  Speaker 4: What did he say?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 5: Because he doesn't have sickle cell trade. He has an
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  Speaker 5: abnormal chemoglobe put abnormalhemo glove. It's with sickle cell trade
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  Speaker 5: you can get different forms of sickle cell disease.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I know that.
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  Speaker 4: So I felt if I didn't know that, then.
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  Speaker 5: A whole bunch of people probably don't know it, right,
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  Speaker 5: So I decided to use my fiction, you know, to
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  Speaker 5: help raise awareness about that too, because.
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  Speaker 1: They ain't had a lot of us, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: think that you know, both people have to carry the
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  Speaker 1: trait in order to get it, because that's what that's
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  Speaker 1: that's what we've been out. That's right now. But like
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  Speaker 1: you say, if you don't have to necessarily carry the
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  Speaker 1: trait in order to pass it, to pass it alone.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't know that I know.
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  Speaker 4: And so that's what I'm saying because I didn't know.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm going given that I have a parent that
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  Speaker 5: I like I said, I lost a parent, you would
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  Speaker 5: think that I would know, but I didn't, and so,
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  Speaker 5: you know, And so it was even like even when
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  Speaker 5: my daughter was little, even with my siblings, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because we all lost our father. You know, I'm you know,
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  Speaker 5: the oldest though, but my siblings would say to me,
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  Speaker 5: does she have sickle cell anemia?
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  Speaker 4: And I would go know, and they go, she all right?
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  Speaker 5: And then when she got really really sick, you know,
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  Speaker 5: started having more sickle cell crisis, they're really upset because
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  Speaker 5: they too did not understand. So what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 5: do is I feel like this is a worthwhile subject matter.
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  Speaker 5: I really feel like people should know more about it.
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  Speaker 5: And then I added the human trafficking theme to it
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  Speaker 5: because we I live in Cleveland, Ohio, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: we have like a really high rate of human trafficking
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  Speaker 5: in Ohio. Do you know why our rate is so high,
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  Speaker 5: Queen Angela? Why because we live on a lake. We
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  Speaker 5: live close to Canada. You can get out of our
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  Speaker 5: state in any direction, all four directions, and you can
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  Speaker 5: get to Canada. So we're really really high, you know,
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  Speaker 5: on the human trafficking, you know, numbers and so. And
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  Speaker 5: also wanted to use my fiction to teach people that
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  Speaker 5: human trafficking is not always about sex. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: had a client who was forced to make Chinese food,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like eighteen hours a day. You know what
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying he was He was human trafficked for labor,
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  Speaker 5: for labor. So sometimes you have people who are being
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  Speaker 5: human trafficked for labor. And where we need to understand
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  Speaker 5: about human trafficking is it's just slavery. It's just another
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  Speaker 5: form of slavery. We all have a responsibility to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that we stop it, and we need to know
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  Speaker 5: that it happens to people who live right here in
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  Speaker 5: the United States with us.
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  Speaker 1: So and it's getting worse and worse. Where it's getting better,
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  Speaker 1: it's getting worse and worse. And it's a really bad
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  Speaker 1: up and down eighty five that they call it the
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  Speaker 1: eighty five Corridor, which runs through South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: that DC area, the DMV area, all up and down
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  Speaker 1: through there. Yeah, it's really it's really bad. They are
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  Speaker 1: always having the stings and in South Carolina and North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee that I mean, they always catching people. I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: It be bad. They they found a bunker I think
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  Speaker 1: it was in Alabama where they had all these children
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  Speaker 1: in a bunker, about thirty kids, and then they it
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  Speaker 1: was like six or seven adults. And you're seeing it
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  Speaker 1: happen a lot.
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  Speaker 4: It's really sad, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: And then you hear teachers like it's a lady in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: It's a teacher in Texas that just got arrested for grooming.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, grooming.
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  Speaker 1: The next thing is they gonna they they they getting
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  Speaker 1: them ready to hand them off to somebody else or
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  Speaker 1: something that's about to happen. Is another bad place.
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  Speaker 5: I hear that, you know, But so I just really
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  Speaker 5: wanted to do my part in the universe, you know,
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  Speaker 5: but to make sure that we as parents, we as teachers,
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  Speaker 5: we as adults, because these are all of our kids,
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  Speaker 5: even if you didn't biologically have them. You know, when
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  Speaker 5: they say it takes a whole village, they mean that,
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  Speaker 5: I mean it. You know, we all in the same village.
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  Speaker 5: You know, things going around, they going bad for my kid.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: We need to be together and work together and try
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  Speaker 5: to make sure we save our children because they are
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  Speaker 5: our future.
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  Speaker 4: They really are, they really are. You know, it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: just happen to kids.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I want people to understand that we have
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  Speaker 5: adults who are being human trafficked.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I you know, talk with somebody who was telling me
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  Speaker 5: she was grown, she was marrying and when she got
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  Speaker 5: a little bit older, realized it was her husband that
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  Speaker 5: was human trafficking her. It was her husband that was
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  Speaker 5: trafficking or rather, you know, and it took her a
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  Speaker 5: long time to realize, you know, that she had been
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  Speaker 5: trafficked by her husband, but that's what was happening. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, we need people to really be you know,
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  Speaker 5: become aware, and we need to help. So that's what
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  Speaker 5: I just wanted to use my fiction to entertain but
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  Speaker 5: also to educate as well.
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  Speaker 1: So who are your main characters main we look forward
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  Speaker 1: to meeting in this book.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, my main characters are Grandville and Juliet Stubbs, and
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  Speaker 5: they are attorneys in Cleveland, Ohio, located on the beautiful
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  Speaker 5: shores of Lake Erie.
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  Speaker 4: I wish we had ocean, but we got a lake.
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  Speaker 4: It's lack an ocean. It's pretty big.
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  Speaker 5: But as you know, and again, my main character, Grandville,
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  Speaker 5: he gets some very disturbing news and because of that, he,
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  Speaker 5: you know, basically has a breakdown and it's with like
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  Speaker 5: tragic consequences. They lose a child, she had to go
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  Speaker 5: to prison, and all the things that happen because of it,
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  Speaker 5: because of you know, this news. Because we also wanted
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  Speaker 5: to also kind of talk about family secrets, because a
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: lot of people have family secrets that basically sometimes can
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: become so traumatic that they do lead to mental health issues,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: you know. And I just also wanted to talk about
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: people do what they think is right. Sometimes you make
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: a decision because you think you're doing the best for
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: your children or for your family, and it might you know, everybody,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: hindsight's always twenty twenty, right, If I know yesterday, but
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I know today I be a winner of a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: of re numbers. Okay, and I might have to be
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: like girl, I'm gonna have to postpone this as a joke.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just joking, but I'm just saying, you know, Hindsights
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty and people do the very best that they can.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: But you know what I wanted people to get from
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: my novels is people do what they think is right
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: for them. But there's still certain things that's probably right
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: for all of us. And that is you know, like
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: you said, if something's going on, to get the help,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: to talk to somebody that you know there are people
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: that love you that want to help you if you
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: let them. But then if you're the person getting the information,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: don't weaponize the information. Like if somebody tells you something,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: don't throw it at them if they're coming to you
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: trying to get help.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Queen Angela?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It does?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: It?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Truly? Does? It truly does? Like people don't like a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people. I have a friend and instead of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: her taking the positive criticism, she will flip it and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: say that people are out to get her. Right, people
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: are trying to come again instead of just sitting back
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and just you know, just listening and figuring out, well,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: how can I apply this? Because I tell people all
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the time, if if I'm sharing something, you better believe
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that I don't been through it, because I ain't finna
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: talk about nothing and share something that I have not
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: experienced myself. Right, So if I'm sharing it, look, I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: know I don't got the revelation on it because I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: don't through it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I can, okay, absolutely absolutely.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: You know when he revealed it to you, then that's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: when you got to start putting that thing into action.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Reveal revelation.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: You know, I agree, you know what?
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: And sometimes you know people they're very ill thought, Like
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be honest. Sometimes you have family members
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: or friends you know, then we don't know, Like I'm
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: a mental health professional, I don't know your people. So
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: you know, if you tell me something's wrong, I'm gonna
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: trust your word because you know them, right. I don't.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: And sometimes we as family members and friends can't help
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: avoid tragedies by doing our job as the people who
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: love these folks. You know, when something's wrong, sometimes you
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: are gonna have to intervene. We don't want to make
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: people upset. Sometimes okay, but then because you didn't want
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: to make them upset, somebody can really get hurt or
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: end up dead too, you know what I'm saying, Because
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: we haven't done what we needed to do.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: We have duties to our family members and friends.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly because I remember growing up and a lot of
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: people they brush mental health of off and they'll say, oh,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that's just how they is. They they just a little touched. No,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: they need help. They ain't just how they are. They
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: need help because people just don't be any kind of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: old way and that be okay, Like if it's not normal,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: then that means they need help.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: But the room, you know, in fairness, I just want
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: to say that one reason why we, particularly as an
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: African American Brown community, have hesitation about reaching out for
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: help is because there was a time when we did
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: reach out for help that our children where we move
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: from us and that's why many of us have been
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: taught you don't tell things that happen in this house.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: This is our business. You keep it to yourself. But
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: sometimes that actually winds up being harmful to our community
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: and to our kids and to our people. And maybe
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: we had a reason for doing that at one time,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: but we need to get past that because that's not
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a good reason out.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And another reason, another reason while a lot of us
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: didn't reach out, is because we didn't have a lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of of us in those fields.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, we don't have enough in that space.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And we felt like we didn't want to be going
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and they can't relate to us, so why go and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: pour out? But I'm thankful for the ones that are
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: willing to go the extra mile to make sure that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: we are okay, because over I advocate for mental health,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: because I deal with mental health. That's one of the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: things that I struggle with. I am a survivor of
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: domestic violence shot point blank range or this ald our shotgun.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Did not realize that I was dealing with a lot
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: of these things, things that I didn't deal with as
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a child. You know, I lost my mom twelve days
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: after my sixteenth birthday. Just so much, you know, so
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: much trauma, like what we're talking about, so much trauma,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And I didn't realize it until I was in the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: domestic violence and then I realized that I had a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, and there was a lot
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of stuff in the background that needed to be dealt with,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and that the more and more I went to therapy.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: At one point I was seeing a psychiatrist into a therapists,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but I was doing the work so that I could
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: share with somebody.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Now, when when I feel some anxiety coming on, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm about to get in the phone, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: know how to pick up the phone and call somebody.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I got some friends that are a therapist. She'll always
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: tell me, Hey, I can't go deep with you because
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: i'm your friend, she said, but I can refer you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to somebody and I can give you a couple pon us.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But I can't go too deep with you because we're friends.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And she always tell me. She'll say, go outside, take
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a walk, breathe, get off that computer, you know. And
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: having my sister too, they always encouraged me. But when
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I realized, you know, some of the symptoms, some of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the things that you know, when I felt like these
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: things coming on, now I can talk about it. Like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I go to my doctor and I'd be like, look,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing good. I'm feeling like I'm getting in
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a funk, and she will up my medication or she
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: will put me on some medication. I just got just
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: got me a new prescription. You know what I said,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I'm able to talk about it and recognize it, you know.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: And be accepted and realized. You know, a lot of
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: it is fear of stigma. It's nobody wants to be,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: you know, treated badly. It's you know, stigma leads to prejudice,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: that leads to discrimination.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: So folks are always afraid that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: You know, when I worked at the Adams Board in
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: my county and I was the advocate, I would often
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: get professionals on my phone and they would be whispering
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: and they would be asking me for help, but they
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: were fearful for their peers.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: To find out.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: So if you're a doctor and you're having this issue,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: you might be afraid that if your fellow doctors find
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: this out, they're gonna equate this with your intelligence and
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: that's going to cause you problems. So that's the reason
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: why for my main characters, I made them both professionals.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: They're both attorneys, because when people this is what we
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: would say in mental health.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: This is a joke, though. The blots want to be clear.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: When people are rich and they're you know, showing signs
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: of mental health or mental illness, we say they're eccentric.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: But when you're poor and you're doing that, we just
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: say you're crazy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: Yep, you're right.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: And so.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, you know, we need
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: to be really careful because also we do need to
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: understand that some things that might be crazy to you
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: are actually those.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: People are ahead of you. Here, let me give you
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: an example.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: When Ben Franklin went outside with a kite in the
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: rain when it was thundering and enlightening. Everybody thought he
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: was crazy. Tell me I'm wrong or eccentric because.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: He probably had money, okay, but they thought something was
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: wrong with him. But this man was above us. He
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: knew what was going on.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: He was trying to show you about electricity. But the
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: people of his time probably thought he was mad. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: we do need to sometimes be really careful. But it's
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: the stigmatizing words like crazy. You know what I'm saying
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: that people don't want.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: To be labeled.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: And when you're African American, we already got a lot
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: of labels. We only even know more labels. We don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: want no more negative labels. So it's important and you
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: know what what you telling us, your story says that
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: you've evolved, you grew, you learn from whatever the things
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: that you went through, and you overcame it. And what
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: you do is you help other people to overcome because
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: no matter what's going on, you can overcome whatever is happening.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: That part, that part, that's why one of my things
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is we are to change that we desire to see
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in this word change for ends and ends with you.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: If you want change, you can be that change absolutely.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So I'm not a quitter. I don't give up, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: no matter what tries to come at me, you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a believer. I have faith and I trust. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: trust that word that I read and I believe that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that word is true. So I wake up every day,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you know, looking to do something different, looking to align
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: with that that is mapped out for me, that was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that was already preordained because I know it's not a
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: coincident that I'm here. So I'll be trying to figure
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: out what it is that I'm supposed to do.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Everything you're doing it, and you know what, sometimes God
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: has you go through something so you could be that
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: person again that testament. You know, I'm gonna be honest,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: like this is talking about me. You know, when you
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: lose a parent when you are a child, that is
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: extremely dramatic. The last thing that I ever thought that
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: would ever happen is that I would have a kid
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: with sickle cell disease. Not me, okay, because you know
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Who But that's apparently what God put
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: me here for is a reason. So reason that's happened.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: And you can sit around and cry about it or
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: be upset, or you could take what happened and you
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: can turn it into something that's making it awareness positive.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: My daughter is doing great, just for everybody who's listening.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: And like you said, Queen Angel, I must put that
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: in the atmosphere. She's gonna keep doing great.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with that degree she got. She ain't no
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: telling she she may be able to come up with something.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. Absolutely, she's a very
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: right young lady. And you know what, she wanted to
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: be a That's why she wanted to get her degree
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: in biochemistry. I'm like, you do a girl, because you
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: know what, I don't like math unless it is my money.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: I like money when it's mine. Okay, I'm good at that, girl,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: But when you start talking about science and stuff. I'm
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: gonna let her and my husband, they really both good
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: at that. I'm gonna let them do it. But she
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: wanted to be a doctor, but she decided not to
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: follow that career path at this time because she realizes
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: the stress that it puts on her body, and she's
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: trying to make sure that she keeps her health together.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: And I respect that right.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: It's a lot she can do with that though. It
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: is a way though.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: My whole thing, like you said, not being a quitter
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: from the time she's been born. And she's not my
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: only child. I have other children too, but she's my
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: youngest child and my only girl.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: We don't quit here.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: So this is what I would tell my kids, and
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: this is good advice for the parents who are listening.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: What's wrong with our kids today is we need to
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: make them finish what they start. You can't start something
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: in my household and.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I finished it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: My daughter said, Mom, I want to be I want
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: to take karate. Okay, you're gonna have a black belt.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: She has a black belt. You start something and then
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: you finish it. That's how you, you know, have to
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: make it in this world.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: So that's what.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And my nephew kind of pushed me to that because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I started the degree. I was one of the first
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: girls in my family to go to college. I went
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: on an athletic scholarship, you know, something that a lot
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of people in my family hadn't done. You know, most
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: people in my family work in plants and meals just
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: because of where we're from. You know, we're from where
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: we're from the country. So most people never ventured out.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: And went to college.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: They came straight out of high school and went to
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: work in plants and went to work in But I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: knew from a child that I was going to be different,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and God allowed me the opportunity to learn
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: how to play sports, to learn how to play basketball,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: something that I never thought I would be doing because
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't didn't like that. I didn't know nothing about
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: no basketball, didn't want to play basketball. My pe teacher
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: saw me and that I was tall and kind of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: skinny growing up, so she she saw something in me
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and she put me on the JV team. Because I
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: did not know how to play. Every time I used
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to touch the ball, they used to blow the whistle.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I learned how to play in eighth grade. I learned
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: how to play. And my freshman year in high school,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I was starting on a varsity team. That is, I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: was starting on a varsity.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: You must be really tall, are you real tall?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm finally eleven.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: That's tall, girl, that's tall.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I got to college. Everybody was taller than me. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I was taller than me when I got to college,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: like six one six two six three six four. My
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: point guard was six four, and I.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Was like, qu You're so lucky because I love basketball.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I'm five four and I was very good. My son
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: was a basketball star. I was very good. I was
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: a point guard. My mother would not let me play. Wow,
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: she says, there is no WNBA.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: What are you playing for?
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: And I just want to be clear and give a disclaimer.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: I grew up with a police officer or Cleveland police officer,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: that was my stepfather, and my mother was like real paranoid.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: So she was like, when you all get out of school,
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: we better be at the car at a certain time,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: but she gonna come look for you because she's gonna
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: assume you got kidnapped or something.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, So she wouldn't let me play.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: But I love basketball very much, and that is really
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: really awesome. That you could do that, that you could play,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: and that they saw that. My pe teachers harass me
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: every day, but my mother was like, I don't care, no,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: So I never got to do it.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: My mom my mom let me play and I ended
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: up getting a scholarship. I went to junior college for
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: one year and I did not like it, and I
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: said I was coming out and ended up in Atlanta.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: My coach that allowed me to play had never seen
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: me play before. He told me if I played in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the Summer League, he would put me on the team.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I want out there to be in here. And I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: played in the Summer Hill and that that end of
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the summer, I was at Morris Brown College. Plan for
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Morris Brown had the opportunity to travel. We even made
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: it to the the what was it, the sixteenth round
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: of the NBA in n c A turning me out
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and we won our division that year. Yeah, I never
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: thought that would be.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Me and at that and you know, talking about plans,
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: I just want to tell you about the similarities despite
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: where we look.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: So I live in the city, you know what I'm saying.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't live in the country.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: But guess what, in college, that's what I did in
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: the summer, I worked at LTV still Plan.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I put those.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Bands on the steal. Okay, That's what I did every summer,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: And you know what, it was awful. It was an awful,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: awful job. But I made so much money. But it
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: was an awful job. I made so much money though,
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: you know, if I worked a double like on the
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: holid deck, got forty hours in one day.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: So you know, I was like very of a hustler.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: You could see that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: And you know, but this is what I said, Queen Angela,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: ain't no way I can do thirty years of this.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: This cannot happen for me. I can't do it. It's
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: very difficult work for your listeners. Working in the plants,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: working in the meals hard, hard work, and it's dirty.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Because I used to they never give us like this
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: white suit and they would make us go under the
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: go under the equipment and clean all that bloods and
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: stuff out, and they wouldn't, you know, like for lunch,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: they would say, you got to keep that suit because
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: we ain't giving you another one. He like all that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: So I was like, how could I do thirty years
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: of this? I gotta finish college. Just can't be my life.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was me.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I dropped out, but when my nephew came along, he
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: he ended up going to get his four year degree
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and then he decided that he was going to go
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: in the military after he after he went to graduate
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: from college, he said, oh, he going in the military office.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah he is. Yeah, while he was in the military.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: While he well, he's still in he's over in bo Booth,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Swanna right now. He he's in the Navy. He got
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: his master's degree from Clark Atlanta.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: All that's awesome.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Oh he he pushed his auntie. He pushed his untie
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to go back to school. So I finished my bachelor's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: degree and went on and got my master's. I'm not
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: working on my second masters. I got a master We
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: both hold a master's in business business administration, and I'm
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: working on my master's in public administration.
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  Speaker 5: Now that's awesome. I'm never going back to school again.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: People been there doing that. But I went straight through though.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: I went straight through. And you know what I'm gonna
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: tell you, This law school would make you hate school forever.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: So you finished that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: You know, even they try to put me in a program,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: they say, you know you ain't even got to do
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: no homework, you know, and I'd be like, no, okay, no,
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  Speaker 5: I'm done.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: So it's just like the right. So that's what I
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: try to do it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I just want to take what I've.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Learned and I just want to help make sure that
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: our world is a better place and I leave my
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: legacy in the world.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: And you are definitely doing that. And I want to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: talk about this book cover.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: All right, it's really nice, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Hello?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It is? What was the idea behind this? Is it
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: something that you created somewhat.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna tell you I really love chess.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: So all your listeners, the people, if you are a parent,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: the best thing you can do for your kid is
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: two things. Teach them how to read and teach them chess.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Why Chess teaches you how to think ahead. It helps
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: you plan. But do you know what the most important
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: piece on the board is, do you know?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Queen Angela the queen.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Absolutely queens treat your queens were respect because with you,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: if you got a queen, you got a queen.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: She gonna run your board for you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Okay. She the only piece that can do everything all
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: the other pieces can do except one. If you get
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: rid of your queen, you mess your queen up, you
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: lose your queen. You know what you got, you pour
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: you got nothing. Always treat your queen's right. Okay.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I really wanted to show this.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Chessboard because I feel like life is like a chessboard
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: and I really wanted to depict that. And so you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: life is hard, but you know, but on your on
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: a chessboard, your queen is gonna do everything for you.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: And that's that's how it is for my main character,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Juliet Stubb, she is she runs the board, okay. And
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Grandville can't be a king unless he got his queen.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: And that's all I'll say about that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you so I know if Patrice was here,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: she would definitely ask you. If your book was to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: be a movie, who would play those two main characters?
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: We already got it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Terrence Howard would definitely be Grandville and me, excuse me,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Taraji would be Juliette. Wow.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: And what would be the theme song for this movie?
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Oh girl? All of my all of my chapters are
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: named after a song. Wow.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: So every every chapter is named after a song. So
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: let me think I don't have to really think about that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Because every chapter for each one of the books is
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: named after a song.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: It's a play.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I sure do, because there was a playlist for one
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: of the for each book, there's a playlist for in
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: the book. Okay, I just I don't know something. I
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: can be really creative. I try to be you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: think ahead and think about what people like and what
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: I like. I love music, so when I was writing
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: my books, I listen to a lot of music.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: We got a lot incoming because I write poetry. A
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: couple of my portray books we matched songs to the poetry.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Each one has a playlist. So I do a lot
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of anthologies too, so it's different. People are part of it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: And another thing about poetry that a lot of people
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: don't like reading poetry because sometimes they don't understand what
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the writer is writing and they feel like it's just
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of words. So what I have done
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: in a lot of my poetry books is I kind
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of described I broke down what each poem was, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I gave a song that you can play in the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: background while you reading and understanding what this poem is.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And then I always leave space in the books where
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: after you read all these poems and you listen to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: all this music, you can go and you can write
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: your own poetry or your own thoughts because poetry don't
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: have to rhyme. And I keep telling people it ain't
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: about the rhyme, It's about your feelings.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. I love poetry too. I've written a couple of poems.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: I think that's awesome. I really do to to basically
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: just be creative and come up with a way to
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: try to, you know, get your thoughts across, you know.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: So that's what.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: The whole music thing though, but that's what I like
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: to do. I love music, all different kinds of music.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: And so I have a beautiful backyard and that's where
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: I've written all of my books.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And these are.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: Pieces that you can see. They'll see my book cover.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: There are original pieces of art see behind me. Three
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: of my book covers are pieces of art that are
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: hanging in my house that you see because I used
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: to work in the art gallery when I was in
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: college and I couldn't draw stick figure, but I do
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: appreciate it, right, So I want different.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Are you working on you mentioned series?
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Yep, that's a series. My three books it's a series.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I ended the series, but now I am writing something new.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I'm in the process of doing that now, and I
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: was actually doing it right before I came in here.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: I said, I gotta get in there and get to
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: come my interview.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: But so when we see some of these characters.
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: You might.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: There'll be some new characters, but you may see some
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: of my old characters in my new series too, Okay,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: and it takes some time.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: You know, my books are pretty long, Okay.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I just want to say, my first book, The Anniversary,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: is also on audio book as well.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: So yeah, so some people, because it is long, you
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: can also listen to it on audibles Okay.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, that that that is good to know. And if
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: if people wanted to follow you and check out some
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: of your books, how could they follow you? I see you.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: You're on Facebook, yes, and I'm at a website.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I have a website, but I don't like
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: put a lot of stuff on TikTok. And I'm gonna
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: be honest. I do post, but probably not as much
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: as some other people do. Because of my career. I
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: am a magistrate, so I'm pretty I don't really post
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: a lot of lessons about my books, right right, right right,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: because of what I do. It's you know, I'm gonna
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: be retiring a couple of years so and then I
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: can post more. But I don't know, because you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: sometimes people spend way too much time on social media.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Ooh, what you're telling me. I'm telling you, we are
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: looking at We have been following this case down in
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Texas since last year in Aprils, getting ready to come
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: up on the trial, and so many people have been docksed.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: They docks the judge, the judge that gave this guy.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: They he she reduced his bun. They docks the judge.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: They go about this case.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm very familiar.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm very familiar, but I've been I mean, following
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: this sn I heard about that. Yeah, and the one
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: young man who did the stabbing and saying it was
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: self defense. Correct, yes, And so when the judge, I
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: guess did look at whatever was presented, she reduced the
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: bond that I did.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Hear. They've been stalking her and doing all kinds of things,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: and it's a very dangerous job.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: I just want to say, you know, it's not easy
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: working in the system, right, you know, it really isn't.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: And you know what happens is is that you know
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: you have to sometimes we have to look at everybody's
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: perspective and their rules. You know, we don't make the rules,
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: but we gotta follow them, right. So sometimes you're upset
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: because they feel like they're right about whatever their situation is.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: We understand that, right, but but you know, when you
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: go to court, there's a winner and a loser, right, okay,
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: And sometimes you can be right, but you can't prove
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: that you're right, right, and so people are just doing
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: the best that they can. So you know, give us
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: some grace, That's.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I want to give the people around you some grace.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Right because I tell people all the time you never
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: know when you may end up in those situations. Because
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it is definitely by grace and mercy that a lot
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of us didn't end up in some situations from the
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: things that we've done. Some of us, if the truth
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: be told, should be behind those prison be tough of
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: grace and mercy that we're not. If you want to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: tell the truth.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: You know what I always say, You know what, we
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: have to be careful.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: So that's what I really wanted to use my books too,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: is to help to really reinforce forgiveness. You don't know
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: what's gonna happen when you leave here. You might get
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: to the pearly gates and might need Jesus to forgive
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: you to get in. You don't know what you're gonna need.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: And you can give or get forgiveness if you don't
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: ever give it. Sometimes people make mistakes. They can be
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: bad mistakes. You can decide you don't want to be
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: around somebody, but you can still forgive them, because the
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: only person who gonna be hurt is you, if you're
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: the person carrying around a whole lot of pain that
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: you are unwilling to deal with. And if you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: I want to say this, it's you know, it's like
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: twenty five percent I say twenty percent of the population.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: You know, they say as a mental illness, We say
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: twenty five percent to encompass all the behavioral health, which
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: includes drug and alcohol, but.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Twenty percent as a mental health issue.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: That means if you don't have the mental health issue,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: somebody in your life does. So maybe it's not you,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: but maybe it's your kid, maybe it's your sister, maybe
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: it's your mama, Maybe it's your cousin or your aunty,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: or your neighbor or your coworker. But everybody knows somebody
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: who is dealing with this issue. And if you say
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: you don't, you are lying to yourself because we all are.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: It's how we treat people that's important.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: It's just like my daughter with her sickle cell disease.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: It's an episodic, uh situation. And what we need to
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: do is when we see people who need help, help them.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: And that's all I can say, talk to them, don't
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: stigmatize them, you know, intervene for the people you love
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: and you know, and and and when people come and
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: talk to you, listen without judgment. So that's what I'm
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: you know, trying to get across to everybody. I hope
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: I'm doing my part in the universe. That's what I'm
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: trying to do. Queen Angela, well.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: You definitely are in so many different ways because of
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the things that you have done. Social worker Majisty Attorney,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're you're definitely doing a lot to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: impact and and and be a leader showing others that
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: they can. All they got to do is put in
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: the work and be willing so I thank you because
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you are definitely being a role model. You're you're definitely
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: setting a bar for our black and brown children because
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: if they do not see other people in these capacities
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that look like us, then they'll think they're not worthy.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: So my hat's off to you and for being an
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: example and not just you know, talking it, but walking
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: it out. Thank you, thank you.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: I appreciate you so much. It's an honor to be
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: on your show today and it's been a pleasure meeting you. Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: I definitely thank you for stopping by and sharing with us.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Again, I want people to be able to follow you,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: So make sure where they can get your book on
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: your website.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: Please Amazon on your website, yep, they can go to
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: They can go to Amazon, they can go to Barns
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: and all buts.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: You can pretty much go anywhere books are sold.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Website.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: People came to my website that to make me.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's what I like too. We like to
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: truly support the author, and we know the best way
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to support them is to get that that that that
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: personalized book. So if you go to the website, you
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: can get a signed book and she can write a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: special message in there. Now you can go over there
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to Amazon and Barnes and no One check it out
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and read the reviews. Because we know people that is
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: not close by, they have to go to Amazon and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and and get it. But for y'all, that's that's in
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the United States that it can be shipped to. Please
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: go to the website. Support the author because we ain't
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: making no millions and and and if you come in
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and support, she can make more out of her book
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: if you support her than going to Amazon or Barnes
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and Noble. And that's what I tell people all the time.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I don't mind you going over there looking and checking
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: out the reviews and reading the synopsis, but get the
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: book from from the author so that you can get
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: that personal note because that personal note gonna go alone. Ways.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you, yes, ma'am. That's what we do. That's what
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: we do over here. You know, we got to learn
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: how to support one another so that we can truly
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: get these messages out here. They don't call me to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: queen a collaboration for nothing, Okay, I definitely love to collaborate.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I definitely love to push people outside of their comfort zone.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: And every last one of these hosts that's on this
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: network and tell you that I'll be behind these scenes
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: pushing them, pushing them, pushing them because if I see
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: something in you, I'm definitely I want to I want
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: other people to see it too. So I know Patresea
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: is definitely gonna want you to come back.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: And I'm there.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: When she see this and she see how long we
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: was on here, in the conversation we done had today,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: she don't definitely want to come back and put her
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: two cents in because I know, I know forgot something.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I was trying to run it the way she running,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: but you know I ain't her, so I definitely, you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I had to add my touch to it. So it's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: definitely what's different. But I truly enjoyed talking to you
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes in here live on air. I definitely
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: am going to be following you and checking you out
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and definitely keeping in contact. So I just yes, ma'am,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: that's what we do. We have to you know, we
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: have to be help makes one to another. I know
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: we have to keep lifting each other because we got
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: a whole generation coming after us, and we got to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: leave by example. I got to leave you by example,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: So again, thank you for stopping by before we leave.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would like to say to
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: those readers, your new readers, your old readers, and the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: readers to come. Oh that God for trees.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: Come back. I hope you have me bad girl. I
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: can't wait to come back. Thank you for having me.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: You gonna be coming back. I can't wait. This has
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: been awesome. I really have enjoyed myself so much. You
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: know what I want to say to my readers. I
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: hope you pick up my novels. I hope you love
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: my story. I do want to just give a disclaimer.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: It is for some people can be traumatizing. It's real life, okay,
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: But I'm hoping that you will read it and that
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: you will become entertained and also educated about these very
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: serious topics, and that you take what you learn in
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: the book and do something to help your world and
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: help the people in it. And thank you again, and
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: Patri's girl. I can't wait, girl, Thanks, and thank you
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Queen Angela.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: You're just awesome. I ain't so much.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: Girl.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Well, you definitely have to come back, and maybe I
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: have to get you over there on my show because
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you show another network It airs every four weeks on
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Fridays at nine thirty is called the w b n
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: N and my name show thirty in the morning at nighttime.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: All right, girl, well I can show.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Got a show coming up this Friday, and then I'll
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: have another one coming up June twenty sixth, so definitely, Look,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I'll be asking Patrice for your information so I can
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: go all the way and have you over there. The
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: name of my show is called Walking in Purpose. I
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  Speaker 1: have individuals on there. We talked. My thing is about
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