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Hey, Pastors, Wake-Up and Lead! · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hello, guys and gals, thank you again for tuning into the show and for sharing on social
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  media.
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  We're somewhat censored, shadow band suppressed, you know, the truth is suppressed, right?
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  But thank you guys for subscribing at worldviewmatters.tv.
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  You're going to talk to Pastor Dan Fisher today, got a couple books to talk about in a couple
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  topics, but I want to let you know a little bit about his background.
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  He's been preaching and pastoring for about 45 years while serving as a full-time pastor
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  get this.
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  He also served two terms in the Oklahoma legislature and then ran for governor.
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  He's a glutton for punishment, of course.
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  He presently serves as co-paster of Fairview Baptist Church, Edmund, Oklahoma, with a fellow
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  Patriot pastor and troublemaker for the kingdom, Paul Blair.
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  Dan also travels and presents bringing back the black robed regiment.
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  It's a presentation where he tells the story, it's amazing, the 18th century Patriot
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  pastors who led the men of their congregations and communities off to fight for liberty in
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  our war of independence.
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  So we'll talk a little bit about that story and that forgotten history as well.
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  And Dan Fisher, welcome to worldviewmatters, brother, good to see you.
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  David, it's good to be with you.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Yep, it's been a while.
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  Now we met two or three years ago at a Liberty pastors conference in Dallas, Texas and
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  I went to another one in Edmund.
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  Tell us a little bit about how people can get their pastors information on these training
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  camps.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And we do call them training camps, David, because what we do is we teach the nuts and bolts
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  of how pastors can become modern day black robed preachers.
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  I'm sure we'll get into what that means in a little while.
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  We believe that the time for pepper alleys has passed and it is time for us to get pastors
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  engaged and they need the nuts and bolts of how to do that.
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  So that's what these camps are.
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  They can go to LibertyPasters.com and find out all about it.
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  In fact, as we record this, we are doing a Liberty pastors training camp in Plymouth, Michigan,
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  as we speak.
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  So we're training about 100 pastors and their wives right there in Michigan.
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  So go to LibertyPasters.com and then find out all about the Liberty pastors training
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  camps.
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  And they're wonderful guys.
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  If you can get your pastor there, my pastor from DePiro, Wisconsin went just, it'll change
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  your perspective on how the church needs to get back into engaging the culture.
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  That's why we've lost so much influence.
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  The church is backed out.
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  You've got one coming up in Hershey, Pennsylvania, November 5 through 8, is there anything else
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  we can tell people about?
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  Of course, we're going to send them to LibertyPasters.org, but anything else, Dan?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I think it's LibertyPasters.com.
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  Okay.
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  LibertyPasters.com.
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  Yeah.
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  Great.
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  And the main thing is pastors don't need to be cheered up or impressed anymore.
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  They need to be trained.
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  And so these are training camps.
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  These guys come away from these camps knowing what to do, steps to take, how to become a
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  modern day bike road preacher.
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  So that's why that's so important.
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  Okay.
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  Let's bring up Dan's other book, Unlimited Submission, and bring up the book cover.
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  You'll notice the question mark, Unlimited Submission with a question mark.
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  This was a big topic, Dan Fisher, in 2020.
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  When our government said the church in America is non-essential, and you must shut down,
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  you can only have so many people worship.
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  You had to stay social distanced.
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  Why was that a problem?
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  Can you, I know, you wrote a whole book on it, but can you explain, in the limited time
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  we have here, how important is it for the church to say no?
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  This church was under the authority of Jesus Christ, not a secular government.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's right.
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  Well, the problem is, for years, pastors have taught that Paul teaches in Romans 13 that
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  we are to roll over and pretty much play dead.
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  Whatever the government says, we're supposed to submit.
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  And the truth is, that's only to proper government, but when government becomes improper, or
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  as Thomas Jefferson said in the declaration, when it ceases to protect our liberties and
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  our rights, we not only have a right, we have a responsibility to stand up and say no.
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  So I wrote that book to try to encourage pastors and Christians to understand we do not
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  owe unlimited submission to our government.
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  So you take the COVID thing, which they're trying to roll out again, and they were trying
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  to shove the church down.
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  Of course, you go to Walmart, you could go to Home Depot, you could go to Lowe's, you
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  could get an abortion, just can't go to church.
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  So we got to stand up.
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  We've got to say no.
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  So by the way, guys, I can't emphasize LibertyPasters.com enough, but I bring that up, Dan Fisher, because
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  I came up with an article, a lot of this articles in the last couple of weeks, the FDA has
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  okayed a new coronavirus vaccine as what they call respiratory illness season nears.
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  So they're going to find a name for it, they're going to find an excuse, they're going
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  to use it to control.
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  This is all about controlling the population, and I'll tell you, they use fear, fear, fear,
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  and the media is too happy to do their work.
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  Tell us about your concerns about this, and how Christians respond.
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  Yeah, well, here's the amazing thing, David, isn't it, isn't it surprising that the
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  normal flu disappeared during the COVID period of time?
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  Yeah.
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  You didn't have any flu cases.
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  That's right.
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  Well, that's because, that's because the coronavirus, I mean, COVID is a coronavirus.
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  It's the same family as the common cold and the common flu.
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  My son's a physician, and you've done enough research.
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  You've had, I'm sure, guests on your program, they're just playing trick with us.
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  Yeah, is COVID dangerous for some people?
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  Yes, just like pneumonia and the common flu can be dangerous to people with respiratory
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  problems.
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  But we shouldn't treat it like any other disease.
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  It's certainly not Ebola or something like that.
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  And the reason why this is such a danger is people have now been conditioned to give up
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  their rights for some perceived safety.
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  And our framers said, if you're willing to do that, you deserve neither.
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  You neither deserve freedom or safety.
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  So the modern church has got to relearn the lessons of the 18th century, or we're going
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  to be living under tyranny.
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  In fact, I would argue we're under soft tyranny right now.
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  We're going to lose our liberties.
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  The church is going to be driven underground.
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  You know, that's not an exaggeration what you just said.
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  Because really for all practical purposes, generally the church in America has been driven,
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  not underground, but behind church walls.
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  Yes.
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  They at least allowed us to express our faith and live freely in our culture.
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  But now they get offended.
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  So they say, no, you can't even say that stay behind church walls.
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  You shouldn't be influencing government.
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  And that's what you guys are about getting pastors to understand, you know, throw out your
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  former ideas of what the Johnson Amendment are limiting the churches to do and get back
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  involved.
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  Share your thoughts on that, Dan.
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  And that's why that's why they've ceased calling it freedom of religion.
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  And now they're calling it freedom of worship because worship is what you do inside the
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  building in their minds.
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  Good point.
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  And so, so most certainly, and you know, here's the deal about the Johnson Amendment.
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  It's nonsense.
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  Pastors are not churches.
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  They're not 501 C3s.
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  They don't check their liberties at the door when they step in the open.
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  Pastors need to speak out.
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  And by the way, the IRS has never shut down one church because of political speech,
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  not 10 or 12, 100, not one.
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  We're just afraid of a paper tiger.
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  We need to grow a spine and realize that liberty must be defended and become bold and
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  quit being such sissies.
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  I love it.
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  I love it.
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  We need to grow a spine.
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  That's for all believers.
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  But for men that are that purport to lead their congregations, yes.
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  We need more of a backbone.
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  We've got to lose this cruise ship mentality and realize if they haven't checked the culture
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  and checked Hollywood and checked the transgender movement and the perversion that's going on
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  in our country and realize we're in a battle.
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  We're in a lot of trouble out of the ship.
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  Yeah.
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  That's right.
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  The church, the old ship of Zion is a battleship, not a cruise ship.
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  Yeah.
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  And we see from a lot of the polls that Barna and Pew and Gallup and all the others, the
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  biblical world view continues to decline decade out of decade.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Because preachers aren't addressing it.
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  I mean, if you don't, if you don't teach the congregation in a couple of generations,
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  you have biblically illiterate people that don't know what Christians are supposed to
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  be.
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  And they certainly won't be warriors.
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  As Paul says, fight the good fight is a good soldier of Jesus, not as a good Sunday
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  spiritual student, not as a sissy, not as some politically correct immaterial, irrelevant
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  faith person.
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  We're soldiers of the cross and we need to live life.
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  So Dan, what would you say to someone who is a little uncomfortable thinking that pastors
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  are addressing, quote, political issues?
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  What's the difference between a political issue like they call murdering preborn babies
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  and mothers, wombs, that's political to some people and a moral issue or biblical?
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  Well, there's no difference.
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  All of these are biblical issues.
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  I mean, when, when did the murder of the preborn become a political issue?
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  That's a moral issue.
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  It's called murder.
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  The Bible has much to say about premeditated murder.
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  Everything today that is being called political, I would argue, David, it's not political
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  at all.
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  It's biblical.
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  These are moral issues.
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  And, you know, our framers understood it.
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  This is why they emphasized that only a moral culture can govern themselves through
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  a republic and they were so concerned that the church would be limited because they knew
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  that the culture would only be moral if the church was active and engaged.
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  So this is why they honored the Bible, this, I'm not saying they were all Christians,
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  but they honored the Bible and they wanted to ensure that the church would be unencumbered
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  because without the gospel, you're going to have an immoral culture and if you have an
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  immoral culture, they can't govern themselves because they can't govern themselves internally.
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  This is why Benjamin Franklin said the more immoral people become, the more vicious they
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  become, the more they have need of masters and they understood this principle.
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  We've forgotten it today because it's not being taught in the pulpits.
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  Amen.
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  Wasn't it John Adams who said our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
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  It is wholly inadequate for the governing of any others.
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  I paraphrased it.
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  Wasn't that Adams?
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  It said that.
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  That's almost exactly right.
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  Yeah.
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  That's John Adams.
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  Yeah.
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  And when they said religious, David, as you know, they didn't mean Buddhists.
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  They didn't mean Islam.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  They meant Christian.
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  They meant Christian.
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  Yeah.
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  They just didn't want to emphasize any particular denomination.
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  But if you go through and look at the history of our country, go beyond the framers.
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  You can go into the 1840s and 50s and our own Congress was trying to determine whether
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  or not it was unconstitutional to pay chaplains, Christian chaplains with public funds.
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  And they understood that we were set aside to be a Christian nation just not to emphasize
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  any one denomination.
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  And for those that don't want to be Christian, that's fine.
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  But we're going to operate by Christian principles and that's what they meant.
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  And we've gotten completely away from that.
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  And of course, you can see the results who would want what we have today.
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  You can't even safely walk in the streets.
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  In some cities, it's all right to rob stores as long as you don't steal the equivalent
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  of $1,000.
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  If you keep it below a thousand bucks, you can make $999 a day on eBay selling stolen stuff
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  from stores.
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  That's why they're pulling out of these cities.
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  I mean, good grief.
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  Who couldn't have figured that out?
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  This is prophetic.
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  Lawlessness will increase.
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  That's what we're seeing.
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  Yes.
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  But it really is disturbing Dan.
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  I mean, we got to take a break, but it's disturbing when those who are supposedly the
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  law enforcers, law enforcement, they're not going after the people that are breaking
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  the laws.
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  We saw that during COVID and billions of dollars worth of damage across the country and
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  our cities.
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  But we've got to take a break.
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  Back with Pastor Dan Fisher, we're going to get into the history of the black robed
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  regimen.
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  And I've got a little survey here that came up.
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  I want to get Dan's take on this only only 34% of people believe that Joe Biden would
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  actually complete a second term in Oval Office, though they're wondering about his age.
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  So I mean, we'll talk about polls and the black robed regimen when we come back on World
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  Okay, Dan Fisher, let's get this one out of the way because this is going to be fun
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  just to hear your take on this.
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  Over at the Washington Examiner, only 34% of voters believe Biden would make it to the
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  end of a second term if he would be elected because he is the oldest president now.
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  And if reelected, he would be 86 at the end of a second term.
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  Now you can put a puppet in there and they might as well have one in there now because
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  he is just he's controlled by puppet masters.
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  So your thoughts on this.
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  I mean, to me, these are meaningless polls because of course, you know, if he gets reelected
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  one thing, God help us because he's not running the country anyway.
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  Other people are your thoughts.
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  Yeah, well, you put someone in there that's older than dirt.
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  It's not surprising that people don't think that he's going to live to complete a second term.
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  I'm surprised he can even move.
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  He is a placeholder.
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  They even know that he actually is a puppet.
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  Now, he's he's a lefty always has been, but he's just a guy in there that they can manipulate.
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  We have a shadow government running his country and they're trying to set this thing up
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  for Kamala to be the first female president about, you know, a year into his second term.
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  And this is just a setup.
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  And until we figure this out and realize these people are not to be trusted.
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  And they hate the Republic and they want to destroy it.
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  Until we figure that out and act accordingly, we're going to be duped just constantly.
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  Yeah.
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  By the way, friends, you want to hear about Kamala a little bit more than what you didn't
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  know.
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  The interview last week, I think it was with Trevor Loudon talking about the Chinese Communist Party ties to Kamala Harris
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  and a little bit about her background that hardly anybody knows.
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  But that's for another time.
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  Dan, a lot of people aren't aware of our history.
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  Sad to say that public schools don't teach it.
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  Our books have been that they've been edited, rewritten.
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  And even Christians in the church don't understand the rich history of some bold patriot pastors that led their congregations.
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  Not only by preaching the word on Sundays, but then they grabbed a gun and went out and fought.
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  If it weren't for them, some say we wouldn't even have the America we have today.
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  Share what you go around doing these presentations on the Black Robed Regiment.
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  Well, I completely agree, David.
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  We would not have the America we know today.
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  We're not for that generation of 18 century pastors that took a stand.
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  You know, they took that stand long before when you go back to the first grade awakening.
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  You have some of the greatest preachers in our history.
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  They're engaged in the war of independence when it comes along.
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  In fact, you can find phrases and sentences in most of our official documents from those days lifted right out of their sermons.
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  I mean, Benjamin Franklin was a huge supporter of George Whitfield, one of the fiery preachers of the first grade awakening.
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  So these men have been preaching these principles, guys like Peter Mulemberg were serving in government.
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  John Witherspoon was a Presbyterian preacher president of what became Princeton University.
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  He was a member of the Continental Congress.
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  All of these guys were engaged.
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  And so when they pushed for independence, they knew it could very well mean you have to defend these liberties.
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  And when the time came, they were willing to do it.
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  They were reluctant, but they did it anyway.
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  You shared information in your presentation and it may have been your book.
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  But I think it was in your presentation about one of the pastors was at Mulemberg or no, it was one of them that was actually.
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  They were he was in a battle right outside his church.
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  Who was that Kentucky?
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  Well, that would have been Jonas Clark.
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  He that's in Lexington.
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  That's the battle of Lexington Jonas Clark was the pastor of the church in Lexington.
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  And along with the Deacon named Captain John Parker veteran of the French Indian more.
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  They trained those guys how to fight and they're the ones who made the famous first stand at the Battle of Lexington.
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  Basically in the church yard of Jonas Clark's church.
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  Phenomenal history that so many people aren't aware of.
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  So you tell the story and you also have a DVD that's available.
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  Dan, is that right?
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  Where can people get that?
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  Yeah, they if they'll go to Dan Fisher,
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  they can find my book on the black regiment, which goes into great detail, very heavily researched.
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  They can find my unlimited submission on Romans 13 and they can also find our doctor drama, which is well done by a professional film company that kind of gives a 30,000
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  view of the story of the church of the 18th century and these black robe guys for those who might not want to read the book.
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  So they just go to Dan Fisher BRR.com.
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  They can get it.
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  Pick it right up.
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  It's on it.
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  It's in our bookstore there.
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  Yeah, keep keep those images on the screen, Jeff, because it's going to get to one where I think Dan's in his gear when he's doing his presentation.
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  That's from that's from the website right there.
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  Dan Fisher BRR.com.
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  Was he a pastor?
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  Yeah, he was one of the pastors there.
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  There's he in the DVD was saying goodbye to his wife before he went out to fight.
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  And Dan, people don't realize they didn't have the internet back then.
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  They didn't have iPhones.
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  They didn't have television.
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  They didn't have radio.
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  How did people find out that a war was upon them and that if they didn't fight, they could lose their freedom?
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  How do these people find out?
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  They didn't have Starbucks or coffee shops.
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  They had the churches, small communities and churches across New England.
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  Tell us about that.
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  Well, David, the church was the center of the culture in those days.
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  The church was normally right in the center of town.
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  And the pastor was normally the most informed person there.
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  You take, for instance, Peter Mulemberg and Woodstock Virginia.
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  He's serving in the Virginia House of Burgesses with George Washington and Patrick Henry.
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  Good grief. He's right in the middle of things.
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  He's like watching Fox News, but if they were more conservative.
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  But I mean, he's telling them everything that's going on and he's with those guys.
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  So they're learning from their pastors, plus they had what we're called committees of correspondence where for 10 years they had been setting up kind of a shadow parallel government where they could communicate with each other.
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  So they had committees of safety committees of correspondence.
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  So they're communicating back and forth unlike the modern church that goes off into its own corner protects its own turf won't work with anybody.
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  It's us for a no more for I've got my kingdom.
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  I'm going to try to build the biggest church in my community.
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  So I can be a big shot.
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  Very different from what was going on in the 18th century.
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  Yeah, and from time to time on some of these shows, we talk about how not only the churches have changed, but there are reasons for that.
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  Even the seminaries have changed a lot of them dropped the belief in the inerrancy of scripture.
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  Once you surrender on an air and see now they're teaching about church growth and how to really entertain to get people to come.
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  But then why the problem there when you start going down that seeker sensitive road.
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  You guys you and Paul at Fairview Baptist Church in Edmund, Oklahoma.
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  The furthest thing from from seeker sensitive and God bless you for having a backbone and a spine for preaching the whole council of God all these years.
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  Tell us your concerns, Dan, about what you've seen, what you know about the seminaries, the movement in America where.
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  Yeah, we they're big personalities as pastors. They're very entertaining, but they're not equipping the saints.
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  Well, David, in my opinion, most churches are bastard by hirelings.
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  Remember what Jesus said about hirelings.
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  They only watch the sheep for a paycheck.
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  And when predator comes along, they abandon the sheep to save their own hide.
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  We need actual shepherds.
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  Instead of being seeker sensitive, how about we be holy spirit sensitive?
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  How about we be sensitive to what God wants rather than what either carnal Christians or unsafe people want?
• 21:54
  I thought it was we who needed to conform to scripture and to God rather than God and scripture conforming to us.
• 22:01
  So we're really not into the seeker sensitive thing that we want people to be comfortable.
• 22:05
  We want people to feel wanted and welcome and do everything we can do to make that happen.
• 22:10
  But it's kind of interesting. It's not my job as a pastor to build the church.
• 22:14
  If you read Matthew 18, Jesus said, this is my church. I'll build my church. You just feed my sheep.
• 22:20
  I'll build my church.
• 22:22
  So a pastor is not even supposed to be building a church. It's not his church.
• 22:26
  And he's not supposed to be supposed to be building. He's supposed to be leading it.
• 22:29
  Yes.
• 22:30
  And it's killing us, David. The fact that modern pastors want to dress these issues.
• 22:36
  They're not following the example set by our ancestors.
• 22:42
  And so it's no surprise that we've lost much of our liberty.
• 22:48
  And I predict we're going to lose even more if the church does not awaken and lose this Hollywood approach to pastors being.
• 22:56
  Celebrity stars wear tight jeans and fog everywhere.
• 22:59
  I don't have a problem with fog. I live in fog most of my life.
• 23:03
  But you know, when we're trying, when we're trying to be showmen.
• 23:07
  Instead of profits.
• 23:09
  Man, we have missed the boat somewhere. Of course, you and I both know what it's all about.
• 23:13
  It's it's fame and money and I've got the biggest church.
• 23:17
  And I can sell the newest latest greatest book and five steps to be a better you and seven steps to be successful and all that kind of nonsense.
• 23:25
  How about four steps to the cross and how about seven ways to repent and get right before God?
• 23:30
  How about some things like that?
• 23:32
  Yeah.
• 23:33
  Preacher brother.
• 23:34
  By the way, I wanted to share we're down to under five minutes, but you said something I know it goes by fast.
• 23:40
  You can say something very important. And I thought the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
• 23:47
  We are not to be running away from Satan with fiery darts in our backside.
• 23:51
  Are we we're supposed to be no attacking storming the gates of hell?
• 23:56
  That's not the devil in his minions storming the gates of heaven.
• 23:59
  That's not the depiction to get from scripture. Talk about that for a minute.
• 24:03
  Yeah.
• 24:04
  You know, normally when we read that passage, we have the church and the passive voice.
• 24:08
  Yeah.
• 24:09
  And the gates of hell and the active. It's actually the opposite.
• 24:12
  The gates of hell are in the passive. They're on defense.
• 24:15
  And the churches in the active voice.
• 24:18
  So the church is supposed to be assaulting the gates of hell, not trying to hold out till the end as the gates of hell beat us in the head.
• 24:27
  And and because we've taken such a squeamish yellow, in fact, I say that all the red brick churches and the white churches in America need to be painted yellow to match our cowardly pastors.
• 24:41
  I've been telling Paul, we need to come up with something I'm calling Spinomatic.
• 24:45
  It would be a box that you could buy your pastor for Christmas inside. It's a spring loaded spine.
• 24:51
  So when he opens it up at Christmas time, this spine kind of pops out.
• 24:55
  It'd be Spinomatic because most pastors need one. I mean, that that's where we are today.
• 25:01
  I mean, part of me wants to cry, but I'd rather laugh. That's got that's awesome. I think you should look into a trademark on that Dan.
• 25:09
  I mean, at this point, God bless the remnant of solid Bible believing churches and pastors who are standing.
• 25:21
  The Paul Blair, the Dan fishes, the Gary Hammers, the Steve's mothermans, and you can go on down the list. There's a lot of wonderful godly men. We need more.
• 25:31
  Let's talk to the layperson. Let's talk to the average Christian listening or watching and Dan speaks to them because it's not all on the pastor.
• 25:41
  No, it's not. The congregation has sat there and soaked in all this Pablo and milk.
• 25:48
  And Paul has a great deal to say about Christians that need to be off the milk and on the meat.
• 25:53
  So congregations need to lovingly demand that their pastors go beyond John 316 and begin to teach the whole council of God.
• 26:02
  You know, the gospel is more than just getting men and women on earth to heaven. It's also about getting heaven and men and women on the earth.
• 26:09
  And it is time for the church to live out the gospel. You know, there was a pastor in Chelsea, Massachusetts right outside of Boston in those days who didn't want to stand.
• 26:18
  But once Lexington happened, he grabbed a musket and grabbed his men and went and fought on the road leading from concrete back to Boston.
• 26:25
  That guy's name was Samuel Phillips Pason and it took just a little bit of shove till he did something and I'm just wondering what's what it's going to take for the modern church to wake up.
• 26:35
  And I'm fearing David that he's going to take some really hard times. Look at the history of Israel. You'll see it every time.
• 26:41
  We just keep repeating the same mistakes.
• 26:43
  There are some parallels there. Some of the most disturbing books in the whole Old Testament were not only they did what was right in their own eyes.
• 26:53
  But when Joshua's generation died, when Joshua died and the elders that survived him died, then a new generation came up that did not even know God.
• 27:03
  They didn't even know the law. Some of the most sad and just mind-blowing verses and scripture.
• 27:10
  So for you and Paul, you guys are doing a great work. You're trying to encourage and challenge and equip pastors to lead.
• 27:20
  How can people get more information is at LibertyPasters.com if they want to.
• 27:25
  And by the way, I like what you said about being respectful when you approach your pastor and say, please, we need to be equipped.
• 27:33
  Go ahead, share.
• 27:35
  Yeah. Well, they just need to love their pastor and be nice to him. And don't talk down to him.
• 27:40
  And encourage them to go to these camps and pay their way. It's only 99 bucks. We have donors subsidize everything.
• 27:47
  You've been, you know what you get for 99 dollars, unbelievable. Yes. So 99 dollars wouldn't touch it.
• 27:53
  Pay their way. Get them to go. I guarantee you they'll come back and change person.
• 27:57
  So I just want to clarify something. This is a three or four day event. It's typically at a very nice hotel or resort.
• 28:06
  And it's like you said, it's subsidized. So pastors only have to pay a hundred bucks and your airfare.
• 28:12
  And you've got a wonderful amazing training camp that you're going to go. I went, I came back to when I was a associate pastor at the time.
• 28:20
  I came back on fire. I came back ready to go. And I'll tell you, it was a catalyst in my life, Dan.
• 28:26
  I was feeling like a lone ranger. I was feeling like, is anyone else getting this? And then I found out about you guys.
• 28:32
  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the thing is David, the only reason we ask him to pay a hundred dollars actually 99 dollars is we found it if they don't have a little skin in the game.
• 28:42
  They cancel right at the last minute. But you know, if they've got 99 dollars in it, they show up. That's right. That's that's all it takes. All right.
• 28:50
  Hey, brother, I love you. Thank you for all the work you guys do. Lord willing. We'll talk to you or Paul again in the near future. So thanks, Dan.
• 28:58
  Hey, thanks for having me, David. Sorry about the internet, being in the choppy, but it's good to be with you, buddy.
• 29:03
  No problem. We could hear you just fine. Thank you. All right, guys. I just love the opportunities I have to speak with some amazing people on this show already in the new life of the show.
• 29:15
  I think we've not even been doing this a month. But tomorrow on World View Matters, a wonderful woman of God, stage four survivor of lung cancer.
• 29:25
  She went to Dallas theological seminary. God has her evangelizing now. Her name is Pam Walk or walk. You can look up her on Facebook. It's W-A-L-C-K.
• 29:38
  And she's got a book called Bridge of Love. It's available on Amazon. We're going to talk to Pam tomorrow on World View Matters.
• 29:46
  Thanks for your time for tuning in for sharing. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.