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Ted Cruz Calls Out McConnell & Tillis Over Trump’s SAVE Act · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: I've been calling him out for months. Senator John Thune,
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  Speaker 1: the majority leader in the Senate, will not get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the filibuster, will not get the Save America Act done,
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  Speaker 1: and he doesn't really give very good reason. I had
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to talk to U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, who's
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  Speaker 1: got a new book out about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: and ask him very directly about what I see as
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  Speaker 1: a problem in the Senate. Why is John Thune still
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  Speaker 1: the majority leader in the Senate when you can do
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  Speaker 1: a better job, Mike Lee can do a better job,
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  Speaker 1: Rick Scott, Ron Johnson, I'll go down the list if
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  Speaker 1: you want, This guy simply will not get off the
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  Speaker 1: dime and get rid of the filibuster, at least making
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  Speaker 1: a talking filibuster, or just say we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: a vote on the Save America Act to save America
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  Speaker 1: in November. Why can't we do something about John Thune?
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  Speaker 1: He looks like he's not doing anything, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: You could prove me wrong here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think we need to pass the Save
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  Speaker 2: America Act. I'm an original sponsor of the Save America Act.
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  Speaker 2: I am fighting tooth and nail to get my colleagues
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  Speaker 2: to pass it. Here's the challenge, Pags, which is right
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  Speaker 2: now we don't have 50 votes. There are 53 Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: To do anything, we need 50 votes. There are at
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  Speaker 2: least four hard no's, there may be more. At the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, that is not something John Thune controls.
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  Speaker 2: You've got some people, you've got, for example, Mitch McConnell
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  Speaker 2: is a hard no. Tom Tillis is a hard no.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know of any answer. There has not been
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  Speaker 2: anything that President Trump has been able to do to
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  Speaker 2: change that. There's not been anything the White House has
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  Speaker 2: been able to change that. And it's hard to see
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  Speaker 2: what John Thune could do to change that. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: have urged exactly what you said, that we force the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats to do a standing filibuster. We force them not
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  Speaker 2: just to raise a finger and say, I filibuster, but
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  Speaker 2: to stand and talk like Jimmy Stewart did.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a wonderful, or Mr. Smith goes to Washington rather.
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  Speaker 2: Or for that matter, like I did against Obamacare, filibustering
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  Speaker 2: for 21 hours. I mean, we can make it harder
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  Speaker 2: on the Democrats, but the challenge is we have voted
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  Speaker 2: on the Save America Act multiple times, and we keep
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  Speaker 2: having Republicans vote no, and it frustrates the hell out
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  Speaker 2: of me. But the only answer is to get more
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  Speaker 2: conservatives in the Senate who are willing to stand up
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  Speaker 2: and fight because we don't have 50 right now.
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  Speaker 1: Artillis and McConnell, a hard no, because they don't like
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  Speaker 1: President Trump? They allegedly are conservative guys. They allegedly would
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  Speaker 1: like for our vote to count and not to be
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  Speaker 1: disenfranchised in November. They want a real vote count, I
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  Speaker 1: would guess, in November just to hurt Trump? Is that
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  Speaker 1: what this is?
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think that's a big part of it.
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  Speaker 2: McConnell would say, now he has his whole career in
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  Speaker 2: the Senate opposed any federal regulations of voting, and most
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  Speaker 2: of that he's opposed from Democrats who are trying to
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  Speaker 2: undermine voting. And so in his mind, he views this
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  Speaker 2: as a principled opposition. Listen, I would say both Mitch
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  Speaker 2: and Tom are also pissed at President Trump, and President
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  Speaker 2: Trump played a significant role in ending their political careers.
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  Speaker 2: They're both leaving the Senate at the end of this year,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a challenge, that you've got some senators that
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  Speaker 2: the president has leaned in and come against, and unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: some of them hold grudges.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's frustrating, but there is a reality of math of
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  Speaker 2: counting to 50 that has proven really challenging.
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  Speaker 1: Aren't you a good example of how you can get
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  Speaker 1: over that? I mean, you guys call each other every
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  Speaker 1: name in the book in 2016, and now you're somebody
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  Speaker 1: who has a very good relationship with President Trump, and
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  Speaker 1: you guys are getting something done. Are these guys just
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  Speaker 1: so old school that they're dug in and they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to change?
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  Speaker 4: You know, look, I don't know. You're right.
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  Speaker 2: In 2016, President Trump and I both beat the living
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  Speaker 2: daylights out of each other. And I was the last
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  Speaker 2: man standing. I beat him in 12 states all over
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  Speaker 2: the country.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: And we stood in the arena and I punched him
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  Speaker 2: in the face as hard as I could. And he
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  Speaker 2: punched me in the face as hard as he could.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a real fight. But when it was over,
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  Speaker 2: I had a choice to make. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: could have decided to be ticked off. I could have
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  Speaker 2: decided to take my ball and go home. But to
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  Speaker 2: be honest, Joe, if I was going to do that,
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  Speaker 2: I needed to submit my resignation as a senator as well,
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  Speaker 2: because I couldn't represent 32 million Texans and do my
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  Speaker 2: job if I wasn't willing to work with the president
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  Speaker 2: to get real victories. And so the week after the
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  Speaker 2: general election in 2016, I got on a plane, I
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  Speaker 2: flew to New York, I went to Trump Tower, and
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  Speaker 2: I spent four and a half hours with the president
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  Speaker 2: and his senior team.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: President, we have been given something that is extremely rare
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  Speaker 2: and that is historic. We have been given control of
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  Speaker 2: the White House, the Senate, and the House. That almost
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  Speaker 2: never happens. And I said, I don't want to waste it.
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  Speaker 2: And I told him, Mr. President, I want to roll
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  Speaker 2: up my sleeves. I want to go to work and
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  Speaker 2: do the hard work to deliver on our promises, to
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  Speaker 2: deliver on what we told the American people. And I've
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  Speaker 2: spent more than a decade as President Trump's strongest ally
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  Speaker 2: in the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: Senate.
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  Speaker 2: And he and I have an incredible record, I think,
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  Speaker 2: of working hand in hand and winning historic victories for
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  Speaker 2: the American people. That's what I wish all 53 Republicans
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  Speaker 2: were doing in the Senate. But unfortunately, that's not what
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  Speaker 2: all 53 Republicans are doing.
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  Speaker 1: talk about the Senate and the House and having majorities,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you've got it now. Slim, in both bodies.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can add in Minnesota. I think you
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  Speaker 1: can add in Michigan in the midterm elections. If we
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  Speaker 1: do it right, the DSA is very, very good at communicating.
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  Speaker 1: Although this guy, Abdul El-Sayed is really shooting himself in
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  Speaker 1: the foot. You can't say you hate Mackinac Island. You
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  Speaker 1: can't say that, you know, football is toxic masculinity. You
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  Speaker 1: can't ask Jesse waters to be circumcised. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: guy's making a fool out of himself. I know that
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  Speaker 1: I've got 15 stations just in Michigan, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they're listening very closely right now, Ted, can we
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  Speaker 1: save the Senate? Maybe gain in the Senate in November.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think we can, and I think Michigan is
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  Speaker 2: our single biggest pickup opportunity in the country.
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  Speaker 4: Abdul Al-Sayed is a radical candidate.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the really frightening things that we're witnessing
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  Speaker 2: right now is a literal communist takeover and Islamist takeover
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  Speaker 2: of the Democrat Party. And you look at Abdul Al-Sayed,
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  Speaker 2: he is a Marxist and he is an Islamist, the
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  Speaker 2: single largest donor to Al-Sayed's super PAC.
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  Speaker 4: Is his father-in-law.
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  Speaker 2: And his father-in-law was one of the founders of one
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  Speaker 2: of the largest Islamic organizations in the United States that
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  Speaker 2: is closely affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a
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  Speaker 2: radical who says that he is committed to following Sharia law.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, this is a radical from a
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  Speaker 2: family who has been consistently undermining America. His sister is
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  Speaker 2: a rabid communist She is on the faculty of the
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  Speaker 2: University of Chicago, though she says she hates the University
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  Speaker 2: of Chicago.
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  Speaker 4: She hates America. She hates the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: This is where he comes from. This is what he
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  Speaker 2: is fighting for. And listen, if you look at the DSA,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrat Socialists of America, read what they have in
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  Speaker 2: their platform that they say they want. They advocate, number one,
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  Speaker 2: abolishing the Senate. This guy, Al Sayed, is running to
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  Speaker 2: serve in the Senate. On a platform of abolishing the
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  Speaker 2: body he's running for.
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  Speaker 3: Smart.
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  Speaker 2: The DSA says they want to essentially rip up the Constitution.
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  Speaker 2: They want to make the president report to the House
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  Speaker 2: of Representatives. The House of Representatives would essentially be the Politburo.
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  Speaker 2: They want to make the Supreme Court report to the
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  Speaker 2: House of Representatives.
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  Speaker 4: Now, why do they want to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Because if the Supreme Court reports to the all-powerful Politburo,
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  Speaker 2: it means you have no free speech rights.
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  Speaker 4: You have no religious liberty rights.
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  Speaker 2: You have no second amendment right to keep and bear
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  Speaker 2: arms because the government can do whatever they want. And
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  Speaker 2: understand you look at comrade Mondami in New York city,
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  Speaker 2: who is the most powerful Democrat in the country. It
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  Speaker 2: is the green red Alliance, the Marxist and Islamist coming together.
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  Speaker 2: They both hate the same things, right? And that is us.
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  Speaker 2: They hate Christians. They hate Jews, they hate capitalism, they
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  Speaker 2: hate the Constitution, and they hate Americans. If you look
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  Speaker 2: at what Mondami says he wants to do, it is
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  Speaker 2: to seize the means of production, to take over and
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  Speaker 2: destroy capitalism.
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  Speaker 4: That's not what Michigan believes. That's not what Texas believes.
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  Speaker 2: Just this week, James Tallarico here in Texas, we have
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  Speaker 2: video of him talking to left-wing activists and saying he's
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  Speaker 2: talking about Capitalism, white supremacy, and climate change. And he
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  Speaker 2: says all three are systems of oppression that we have
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  Speaker 2: to dismantle. Understand, James Tallarico is running for Senate because
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  Speaker 2: he wants to dismantle capitalism.
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  Speaker 3: It's nuts. Ted, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back to the Islamist mention that
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  Speaker 1: you just made, though, in New York. Mamdani has Kathy
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  Speaker 1: Hochul go to some get-together. Now, I grew up Catholic.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what your religion is. I grew up Catholic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an Italian guy. You probably grew up Catholic. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure what you are now. I'm a non-denominational Christian.
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  Speaker 1: But had somebody come to my house, we invited them
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  Speaker 1: to our house, and showed up dressed as a nun,
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  Speaker 1: we would have asked them to leave.
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  Speaker 3: Are you stupid?
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to dress like a nun because I'm Catholic.
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  Speaker 1: For some reason, Hochul dons the hijab and goes somewhere
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  Speaker 1: to show that she's what? Part of the Muslim movement?
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  Speaker 1: I don't get it. AOC has done it. Hillary Clinton
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  Speaker 1: has done it.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a dignitary, and let's say you bring your
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  Speaker 1: wife and you're going to go visit Saudi Arabia, and
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  Speaker 1: they say, while you're here, please wear what's traditional, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you'll think about doing that. But in New York City?
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  Speaker 1: In New York State?
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  Speaker 3: In Texas?
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  Speaker 1: We should don traditional Muslim gear? What are these people doing? Ted,
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  Speaker 1: what are they proving? Hochul doesn't know enough to know
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  Speaker 1: that the radical leftists in this country would be the
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  Speaker 1: first they would get rid of if Islamists took over.
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  Speaker 1: Does she not get that? Why are they bending the
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  Speaker 1: knee to this movement? I don't get it.
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  Speaker 4: Look, it is power.
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  Speaker 2: And the Green-Red Alliance, the Islamists and the Marxists, they
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  Speaker 2: come together because they share hatreds. And if you look at...
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  Speaker 2: Most Democrats, let's take Democrats in the Senate. Most of
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats in the Senate are not themselves Marxists.
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  Speaker 4: They're not themselves Islamists.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But they're terrified of them because that's the base of
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  Speaker 2: their party. That's where the energy is. That's where the
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  Speaker 2: money is. That's where the young people are. And Mondami,
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  Speaker 2: the Marxists and Islamists are winning primaries. They won three primaries,
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  Speaker 2: beating longtime Democrats in Manhattan.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They've won primaries in Colorado. They won the primary in
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  Speaker 2: Michigan with Abdul Al-Sayed. They won a primary in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: They won a primary in Oklahoma for Pete's sake.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is, and every Democrat, Hochul is terrified
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  Speaker 2: of AOC and Mondami. By the way, Chuck Schumer, Chuck
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  Speaker 2: Schumer cannot win another election in New York.
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  Speaker 4: He will be primary.
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  Speaker 2: My prediction is Schumer won't even run because- This is
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  Speaker 2: the base of their party now, and they have them
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  Speaker 2: held hostage, and the rest of them are just desperately,
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  Speaker 2: all they want is power.
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  Speaker 4: Principle doesn't matter to them.
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  Speaker 2: They don't believe anything except staying in power, and these
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  Speaker 2: radicals believe them when they tell you what they want
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  Speaker 2: to do. Listen, as you know, Joe, Marxism for me
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  Speaker 2: and my family, it's not theoretical. We've lived through it.
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  Speaker 2: My family was imprisoned and tortured. in Cuba, communist. Let
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  Speaker 2: me tell you a story from Cuba when Fidel Castro
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  Speaker 2: took over. My grandmother, my abuela, she was a school teacher.
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  Speaker 2: She taught sixth grade in Cuba. And she told me
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  Speaker 2: when I was a little boy about what happened when
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  Speaker 2: Castro took over. And she said, the soldiers came to
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  Speaker 2: the schools and they went into the kindergartens in the
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  Speaker 2: first grades. And they asked all the students, they said,
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  Speaker 2: close your eyes and pray to Jesus. Pray to Jesus
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  Speaker 2: for candy. And the kids all did so. They opened
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  Speaker 2: their eyes.
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  Speaker 4: No candy.
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  Speaker 2: The soldiers then told the kids, close your eyes. Now
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  Speaker 2: pray to Fidel Castro for candy. The kids all did so.
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  Speaker 2: And while their eyes were closed, the soldiers quietly put
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  Speaker 2: a piece of candy on.
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  Speaker 4: Every child's desk.
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  Speaker 3: That's so sick, Ted. That is so sick.
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  Speaker 2: That is communism. They want to destroy your loyalty to anything.
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  Speaker 2: They want to destroy any allegiance to God. They want
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  Speaker 2: to destroy any allegiance to family. Communism turns husband against wife,
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  Speaker 2: wife against husband. It turns kids against parents.
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  Speaker 4: It divides.
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  Speaker 2: Your only allegiance is to the all-powerful state. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, understand, communism is not about equality because the
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  Speaker 2: leaders live like kings. Fidel Castro was a billionaire. Raul
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  Speaker 2: Castro a billionaire. Vladimir Putin is a billionaire. Hugo Chavez,
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  Speaker 2: a billionaire. Nicolas Maduro, a billionaire. Communism is about the
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  Speaker 2: powerful using guns to rob everyone else, and everyone else
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  Speaker 2: is trapped in misery, and these young little Marxists, they
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  Speaker 2: don't know any better, and they're the ones trying to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 4: To this country.
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  Speaker 1: but God is non-binary. He claims that Muslims and Jews
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  Speaker 1: and Christians all follow the same God. That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: We believe in the triune God, and if you're a Christian,
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  Speaker 1: you think Jesus is God, was the embodiment of God.
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  Speaker 1: The guy will say anything. Jesus would force the government
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  Speaker 1: to do Medicare for all or Medicaid for all, or
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  Speaker 1: it would force the government to do preschool for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing in the Bible that says the government needs
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  Speaker 1: to collect a bunch of money from the taxpayers and
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  Speaker 1: pretend that they're doling it up. This guy is a radical.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a DSA guy in hiding. He said
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  Speaker 1: that there were a vegan campaign, that he's eating a
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  Speaker 1: rib like an idiot. this guy is saying and doing
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  Speaker 1: anything he has to say and do to get the
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  Speaker 1: people you talked about a minute ago. The young voter
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  Speaker 1: is going to buy it because he's young and has
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  Speaker 1: an interesting haircut, I guess, and speaks like Obama slowly
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  Speaker 1: and very methodically. What do you say to combat that?
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  Speaker 1: To those who are watching and listening now who are going,
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  Speaker 1: a Tallarico guy, man, he says some things I like.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say to them?
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Look, the best answer to lies is truth. The best
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: answer to darkness is light.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, James Tallarico is dangerous, and this race in Texas
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: is a very serious race.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: It is essentially tied. One or the other is up
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: one or two points. I believe we're going to win.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I think Ken Paxton is going to be the next
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: senator from the state of Texas. But for that to happen,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: we have to communicate the truth of Tallarico's record. Listen,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Tallarico tries to present as this nice guy, and I
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: actually worry. I worry about voters who don't pay a
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: lot of attention, Tallarico sounds like a preacher and they
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: turn on the TV and say, oh, he seems like
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a nice young man.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I like my wolves in wolves clothing. James Tallarico is
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a wolf in sheep's clothing. And if you look at
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: his record, our job, your job, my job, the job
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of everyone who cares about Texas. is to communicate talarico's
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: record to the voters as you noted he says god
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: is non-binary says they're six genders damned if i know
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: what the six are but he says they're six he
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: has described his top priority the greatest burden on his
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: heart is providing abortions for people who are transgender what
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the hell is that i don't know and to be
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: honest If Saturday Night Live were trying to make fun
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of the craziest woke liberal, assuming they were willing to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: make fun of liberals, I don't know that you could
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: come up with anything crazier than abortions for people who
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: are transgender.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: That doesn't even make any sense.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: You can watch a video of Tallarico standing in a church,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: number one, saying he hates Christianity. This is a guy
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: who claims to be a Christian preacher who says he
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: hates Christianity.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Right. And he also says that he weeps....
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: For his whiteness and for his masculinity. Now, I got
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to say, Pag, if you were to make a list
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of the top 1,000 adjectives to describe James Tallarico, masculine
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: would not be one of them.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: That's going to be number 2,046, I think. Ted, I'm
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: with you. When he was asked on some interview, what
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: do you think about, what do you love, what do
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you like, what's on your mind outside of politics, he said,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I love the trans kids.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I'm missing something. This guy's tied with Paxton?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: What?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Look, it is, and by the way, the notion of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: trans kids, listen, if an adult, I think adults can
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: make decisions to live their life however they want.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: But no eight-year-old child has the emotional maturity to make
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the decision, please sterilize me, please castrate me, like no
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: child can make that decision to say, I'm going to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: give away the ability to have children. I'm going to
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: surgically remove my genitals, surgically remove, if you're a girl,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: my breasts.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: That is horrific. That is child abuse.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And James Tallarico is squarely in favor of doing that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to kids.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: He loves them.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: That's not- Can you imagine? And he loves it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: He If I said, Ted, what do you love outside
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of politics? I would think you'd say music or some sports.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I know you like basketball. Trans kids is his answer.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And people go, and when they ask him about it now,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: he says, I've said some strange things in the past.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Don't hold it against me. Of course, I don't really
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: think that. And then he moves on.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: By the way, Pags, as an aside, so I was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: emphatically rooting for your Spurs.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: In the finals.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: They did a great job and had a Cinderella run,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and it just, the next rose rose to the occasion.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: But I was all Spurs.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And as you know, I'm a diehard Rockets fan, but
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to root for the Spurs if they're not
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: playing the Rockets.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: By the way, Victor, from what we're told, grew another
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: three inches this offseason. He's 7'7 now.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You heard that, right?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Holy cow.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: That man is a beast.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: How the heck can a guy that big handle the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: rock like he can, shoot like he can? I mean,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: you remember when Magic Johnson was playing and we thought
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: 6'9 was like, how could a point guard be 6'9?
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: And Wemby looks at him and is like, little man. Like,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: it's amazing.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Hold my beer. It is Ted Cruz. Get the book.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: It's called Going Further. Going further.com is the website. Let's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: talk about you sitting down with Clarence Thomas. I've interviewed
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: some really, really top names from president Trump to you,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to music stars or righteous brothers. I'm friends with the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Oak Ridge boys. I mean, I've lived a really good
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: life interviewing people. I don't think I'll ever get in
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the same room as Clarence Thomas. So how do you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: make this happen? Because again, I told you, I was
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a young guy in broadcasting, watching him. beat back Joe
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Biden and that Judiciary Committee that was asking him disgusting
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: questions and saying horrible things. And I was so glad
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that he came out on top in that. And he
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: has proven to be a textualist, a lover of the Constitution.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm learning from your sit down. First of all,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: how'd you do it? And secondly, he was a liberal.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: He was a lefty guy. I had no idea about this.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Fill me in.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Look, Clarence Thomas, I think, is a true American hero.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And he and I have been friends for more than
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: 30 years. I've known him since I was fresh out
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: of law school and I started my career.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I was a law clerk at the U.S. Supreme Court.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I was a law clerk to Chief Justice Rehnquist and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I got to know Justice Thomas then.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: And then after that, I was a Supreme Court litigator.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And so I argued cases for more than a decade
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: in front of the Supreme Court, winning some of the
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: biggest cases in the country before the court and got
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to know him even better then. And then obviously I've
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: spent the last 14 years in the Senate of the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Senate Judiciary Committee. And so I've been intimately involved in
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: every judicial confirmation for the last 14 years.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Well, about two years ago, I decided I wanted to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: write this book and I wanted to write this book
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: because I admire Justice Thomas and I wanted the American
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: people to know his story and to be inspired by it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And so I went to his chambers and I sat
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: down and I asked him, I said, Justice, I want
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to write this book.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Would you agree to sit and be interviewed with me?
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: And it's interesting. He kind of sat back in his chair.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: He looked at me and he said, Ted, If you
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: were anyone else, if you were a law professor, I'd
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: say no.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: But he said, because it's you, I'll do it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And we sat there for, we did a total of
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: nine and a half hours of one-on-one exclusive interviews. And
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: those provided a lot of the basis for this book.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: A lot of the stories, the inside stories of his
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: life are from those interviews. He also joined me on
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: my podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz. He did an hour
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and 20 minutes. It's the only podcast he's ever done
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in his life. And it was an amazing interview. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: encourage you to watch that. You can watch it on YouTube.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: But look, I wrote this book, number one, to tell
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: his personal story. Clarence Thomas was born 1948, just after
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: World War II. He was born into abject poverty. He
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was born in Pinpoint, Georgia, rural Georgia, right on the coast.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Grew up with a single mom and then was raised
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: by his grandparents. His grandfather... whom he called daddy, was
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: an incredible man. He was a tough man. He was
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a disciplinarian. He would wake young Clarence up and his
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: little brother up at three and four in the morning
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and take them out to deliver fuel oil, heating oil.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And they'd go out in the bitter winter and he
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: would not let the boys wear gloves because he said
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: gloves are for the weak.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: And he wanted those boys to be strong. Wow.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: He would work them from early in the mornings until late,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: late at night. In fact, Justice Thomas told me a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: story where one time as a teenager, he looked to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: his grandfather and said, you know, slavery is illegal. His
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: grandfather looked at him and said, not in this house,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: That's how you teach work ethic, man. I mean, seriously.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So when he gets hammered by Biden, that was light work.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That was nothing for Clarence Thomas.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: He had endured much harder things than Joe Biden. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the one exception from hard work was school and reading.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And both of Justice Thomas's grandparents were illiterate. They couldn't read,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: they couldn't write. And so they wanted better things for
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: their grandson. And so young Clarence would spend hours in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the library, just reading every book he could.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And he just devoured learning.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And he developed his passion and he decided what he
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: wanted to do in life, which was to become a priest.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And so he went to seminary. The world, instead of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Justice Thomas, almost got Father Thomas.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Tell me, how was he leftist, Thomas, ever? If you
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: read that much, and we know how smart he is,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: how the heck is he a lefty?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you how. So when he
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was in seminary, he ended up getting disillusioned with the church.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And he was disillusioned because the church was slow enough
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to stand up against racial discrimination, against bigotry, describes how
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: he's in seminary in high school. And he was one
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: of only two black kids in the seminary. And he
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: describes a story where one of the white kids in
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: seminary passes him a note. And the note says, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like Martin Luther King. And then he turns the note
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: over and on the back it says, dead.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: And the other kids are all laughing at him.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: He said the nickname he had in school was WBC,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: World's Blackest Child. He told another story how he really
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: poured himself into his academics to prove himself. And so,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: for example, they had a Latin bee to test. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: he loved Latin. He loved the rigor and discipline of Latin.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And he won the Latin bee. And they gave him
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: a statue of St. Jude as the prize for winning
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the Latin bee. And he put it proudly in his
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: dorm room. And the next day, someone had broken the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: head off of the statue. And he went and got glue.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: He glued it back. A day later, someone broke it
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: off again.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: He glued it again. And then they didn't break it
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: off a third time.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Now, I'll tell you, when I sat down to interview him,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he had kept that statue with him his whole life.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And so one of the first questions I asked him is,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: where's the statue of St.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Jude?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: And you're going to like the answer to this. Do
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: you know what happened to it?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: He had sent it to your friend and mine and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: his very dear friend, Rush Limbaugh.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And Rush, when he was dying of cancer and he
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: was on his deathbed, Justice Thomas sent him the St.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Jude statue to comfort him. And then he never got
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: it back. But that journey, and he then went to
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: seminary in college. And in fact, the straw that broke
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the camel's back was he was in seminary when Martin
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Luther King was assassinated.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: And the other seminarians.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: white students were celebrating and cheering the assassination of Martin
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Luther King. And so Clarence Thomas got angry. He got
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: angry at the church. He got angry at God. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: he left the seminary and he went to college. He
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: went to Holy Cross and then he went to Yale
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Law School. And when he was in college and law school,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: he was a leftist. He was an angry young man,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: as Justice Thomas put it. He dressed in camo pants.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He wore combat boots. He had Malcolm X on his wall.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: He went to Black Panther rallies. He was part of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a riot in Harvard Square. And he was angry at everything.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And he stopped going to mass. He left the church.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Now today, Clarence Thomas has returned to his faith. He
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: is a Catholic. He cares deeply about his Catholic faith.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: But what I try to do in the book is
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: three things. One, tell his personal story of nobody else
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: on the court has gone from such abject poverty to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the very pinnacle of American law. So I lay out
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and describe that journey. But number two, I try to
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: chronicle the intellectual journey from an angry left-wing activist to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: one of the most important conservative thinkers ever to have lived.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And number three, Joe, today Justice Thomas is the second
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: longest serving justice on the Supreme Court.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: In two years, he will be the longest serving to
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: ever serve.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I try to take more than 30 years of jurisprudence
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and explain it in language that makes sense, that is understandable.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: You don't have to be a lawyer. You don't have
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: to know con law.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I write this book so that a smart high school
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: student can read it and understand why Justice Thomas is
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: so important, is one of the most important Americans to
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: have ever lived, And I write this book to hopefully
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: inspire you because he is so extraordinary.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: It's Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator. Go get the book.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It's called Going Further, The Incomparable Clarence Thomas. It's the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas story that America never really heard. Goingfurther.com, goingfurther.com.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: There is a push for Alito and Thomas to consider
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: retiring so President Trump can nominate two more, appoint two more.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I want your thoughts on that. But I also want to,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I really, really want to know, Ted, I've never asked
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you in person. We saw each other at Kerrville, I think,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the last time we saw each other in person. Did
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: President Trump himself ask you to be on the Supreme Court?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: How did that go?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well, so he did not ask me to be on
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the court, but he and I had long conversations. Actually,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I mentioned to you the trip I took to Trump
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Tower right after the general election in 2016. when I
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: spent four and a half hours with him, he spent
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: probably 45 minutes trying.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: To convince me to go to the Supreme Court.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And, and, and for all three vacancies that happened in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the first term, uh, President Trump talked to me seriously
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: about all three.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: And, and, and I said no three times.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And, and, I got to know why, because I've had
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz on.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: He's a friend.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: He says that you were by far one of his
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: best students. In fact, you were head and shoulders above
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Jamie Raskin in the same classes. So why not? I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think you would have been great. I think you agree.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: You probably would have been very, very good in the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Why was that not your calling?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Well, look, a lot of people are surprised because so
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: much of my career has been in and around the court,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and I revere the court. I think the court is
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: incredibly important. The reason that I don't want to be
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: on the court is that I don't want to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a judge. A principled federal judge stays out of politics,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: stays out of policy fights. And if I were a judge,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I'd do that. I'd stay out of these fights. I
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: don't want to stay out of these fights. I want
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to be right in the middle of them.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And if you want to be in the middle of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: those fights, the place to do it consistent with our
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Constitution is where I am right now in the elected
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: branches of government. And I want to ask you a question, Pags. Look,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: you follow national politics closely. We started by talking about
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the 53 Republican senators.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you, how many do you think are
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: worth a damn?
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: There aren't 27 because you guys could have removed Thune,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, out of leadership if you had 27.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. I can count you guys probably
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: on one hand. Maybe use both hands to get really,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: really ones that I trust and that I think will
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: get it done. And you're on that list, obviously.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: So listen, Joe.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I think I can have a bigger impact fighting for
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: conservative principles in the Senate. And I want to be
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: part of nominating and confirming many, many principled constitutionalists to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, to the lower courts. But I don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: want me to be one of them. I don't want
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to step out of the fray. And you look at
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: some of the victories that we've had. whether it was
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: securing the border, and I've been leading the fight for
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: more than a decade to secure the border, in particular
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to stop Joe Biden's open borders.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Or you look at last year, the working families tax cut,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the two most important, biggest elements in that bill were
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: number one, school choice, the nationwide school choice program.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: So important.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: And number two, the Trump accounts. Both of those, I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: wrote those provisions. I'm the author of both of those.
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  Speaker 2: I I don't think there's anything Congress has done in
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  Speaker 2: the last two decades that will have a bigger impact
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  Speaker 2: on kids in Texas and America than the federal school
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  Speaker 2: choice provision in the Trump accounts. And if I were
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  Speaker 2: a judge, I couldn't do either one of them. So
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a need in the Senate for what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I agree, and I think that you're doing a
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  Speaker 1: great job, and I hope that you will stay there.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you would have been unbelievable on the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Two last questions. Number one, are you disappointed?
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  Speaker 1: I know that you're disappointed with Roberts in many ways,
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  Speaker 1: especially on the Obamacare decision where he called it a
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  Speaker 1: fine and a tax, both in the same ruling, which
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. And also, Amy Coney Barrett, who's
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  Speaker 1: allegedly a textualist, a couple of times, Ted, has gone,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, outside the text. Are you disappointed? Again, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have to spend time on Roberts. I know where
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  Speaker 1: you are on his really dumb ruling, some of them.
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  Speaker 1: But how about Amy Coney Barrett? Have you been surprised?
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  Speaker 4: Look, I'm disappointed, yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say, actually, that the book going further,
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  Speaker 2: the biography of Clarence Thomas, is dedicated to Clarence Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: Antonin Scalia, Sam Alito, and my old boss, Chief Justice
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  Speaker 2: William Rehnquist, who are the four greatest justices to have
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  Speaker 2: served in our lifetime. And they stand head and shoulders
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  Speaker 2: above all the rest of their colleagues. And why is that?
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  Speaker 2: And I talk about this in the book going further.
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  Speaker 2: If you look over the last 70 years, there's a
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  Speaker 2: consistent pattern. Those justices who have remained faithful to the Constitution,
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  Speaker 2: they all have a similar pattern. Those four all have
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  Speaker 2: a similar pattern. They all served in the executive branch
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  Speaker 2: of the government. They all defended conservative principles. They defended
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  Speaker 2: the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And they were excoriated.
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  Speaker 2: They were demonized. They were attacked. And they held strong.
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  Speaker 2: And when I'm looking for a judicial nominee, I've interviewed many,
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  Speaker 2: many judicial nominees who now serve in Texas.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm looking for more.
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  Speaker 2: Than anything is show me when you stood up for
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  Speaker 2: the Constitution and Bill of Rights and paid a price,
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  Speaker 2: when you've been punched in the face, when you've been
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  Speaker 2: in the fire. And I will tell you over history,
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  Speaker 2: over the last decades, every single nominee who does not
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  Speaker 2: have that record has moved left. That pattern has happened
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  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: we ought to learn from that and nominate people that
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  Speaker 2: have that record and that we can have a confidence
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  Speaker 2: are not going to move left and abandon the Constitution.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Get the book going further.com. Go there right now. Get
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: it where you get great books going further. It's a,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a biography of Clarence Thomas, the Supreme court justice by
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz.
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  Speaker 3: Last question. Quick answer. You're running for president again.
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  Speaker 2: You know, at this point, my focus is a hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent on the midterms. I think these are the most
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  Speaker 2: important midterms of our lifetimes. I am on the road,
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  Speaker 2: crisscrossing the state. We got to keep Texas. So I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: supporting Ken Paxton. I'm raising money. I'm campaigning, but, but
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  Speaker 2: we have Senate races and house races all over the country.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, Joe, in the past decade, there
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  Speaker 2: is not another Republican in the country who has campaigned
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  Speaker 2: for more Senate candidates, House candidates, and gubernatorial candidates than
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  Speaker 2: I have. I'm fighting to save the country. There'll be
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  Speaker 2: plenty of time for those questions. Next year, we'll deal
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  Speaker 2: with it then.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying there's a chance, Ted. We appreciate you.
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  Speaker 3: Go check out Verdict with Ted Cruz. It's amazing. Go
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: to goingfurther.com. Get the book.
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  Speaker 1: It is Going Further, The Incomparable Clarence Thomas. Thanks for
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the time, Ted. And the friendship. We'll talk very soon.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man.
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  Speaker 3: All right, brother. We're back after this. Stay right here.