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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The 2019 Grand Jury (9/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to actually start
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  Speaker 1: diving in to some of those grand jury documents that
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  Speaker 1: were recently released when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein's arrest
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  Speaker 1: in 2019. Now, a lot of the names are redacted,
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  Speaker 1: but that's to be expected when it comes to these
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  Speaker 1: grand jury transcripts. They're not going to name all the
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  Speaker 1: people that were involved, but we do have the actual
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  Speaker 1: information now, which is awesome. All right, so let's get started.
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  Speaker 1: First question by Miss Redacted, and she's talking to a
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  Speaker 1: special agent. And when and if that changes, I'll let
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  Speaker 1: you know. Question, good afternoon, Special Agent Redacted. Answer, good afternoon. Question,
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  Speaker 1: could you please state and spell your full name for
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  Speaker 1: the record? Redacted. Question, where do you currently work? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. Question, what is your title there? Answer, Special Agent. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how long have you worked as a Special Agent? For
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. Answer. For over two years. Question. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you currently assigned? Answer. The Violent Crimes Against Children Squad. Question.
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  Speaker 1: What are your duties and responsibilities as a special agent
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  Speaker 1: of the squad? Answer. I work child exploitation and human
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  Speaker 1: trafficking matters. We also work international and parental kidnapping. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Have you participated in an investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and
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  Speaker 1: his associates? Answer. Yes. Question. Have you spoken with other people,
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  Speaker 1: including other law enforcement officers, about the investigation? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: have you reviewed reports and documents prepared by others regarding
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  Speaker 1: the case? Answer, yes. Question, is your testimony today based
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  Speaker 1: in part of those conversations with other law enforcement officers
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  Speaker 1: and documents that you reviewed? Answer, yes. Question, Ms. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: so ladies and gentlemen, some of the testimony that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hear today will include hearsay. As you know,
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  Speaker 1: that means that the witness will not be testifying solely
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  Speaker 1: from her own observation, but that she'll also be reporting
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  Speaker 1: what others have told her and what she has read
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  Speaker 1: in reports and documents prepared by others. Hearsay evidence is
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  Speaker 1: admissible in these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to
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  Speaker 1: rely on it in determining whether there is probable cause
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  Speaker 1: to indict any proposed defendant if we end up returning
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  Speaker 1: to present a proposed indictment. If, however, you would like
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  Speaker 1: to hear the testimony of any other witnesses, You have
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  Speaker 1: the right to request it, and we will make reasonable
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  Speaker 1: effort to bring that witness before you. By Ms. Redacted. Question. So,
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  Speaker 1: Special Agent Redacted, I'm placing in front of you what's
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  Speaker 1: been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 1. Do you recognize that? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: What is that? Answer. It's a presentation that was prepared
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  Speaker 1: to assist in testifying today. Question. And did you participate
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  Speaker 1: in preparing that exhibit? Answer. Yes. Question. And would it
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  Speaker 1: assist you in testifying today? Answer, yeah. Question, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll make that part of the record for today. Let
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  Speaker 1: me begin by just asking you a few questions about
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and what you've learned. Can you tell us
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  Speaker 1: how old Jeffrey Epstein is? Answer, he's 66. Question, based
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  Speaker 1: on open source reporting, what have you learned about Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's professional background? Answer, he's a wealthy individual with a
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  Speaker 1: background as a money manager, background in finance, working in investments. Question,
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  Speaker 1: Is that what's been published and you reported about him? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: during the course of your investigation, have you learned where
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  Speaker 1: Epstein maintained residences? Answer, yes. Question, where does he have residences? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he has a residence here in Manhattan along with Palm Beach,
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  Speaker 1: Virgin Islands, and New Mexico. Question, does he maintain an
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  Speaker 1: address in Manhattan located at 9 East 71st Street? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: If we could turn to slide two, does that fairly
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  Speaker 1: accurately depict the residence? Answer, yes. Question, could you please
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  Speaker 1: describe that property for the grand jury? Answer, it's a
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  Speaker 1: multi-story residence. It's reportedly the largest residence in Manhattan. It's
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  Speaker 1: right near Central Park. Question, does Epstein also maintain an
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  Speaker 1: address in Palm Beach, Florida, located at 358 El Brío Way? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: turning to slide three, does that fairly and accurately depict
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  Speaker 1: that residence? Answer, yes. Question, could you please describe that
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  Speaker 1: property for the grand jury? Answer, it's a villa in
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  Speaker 1: Palm Beach, right on the water. Has an in-ground pool
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  Speaker 1: along with guest residence or apartment connected to it? Question,
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  Speaker 1: I want to turn now and talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: some of the witnesses you've interviewed during the investigation. During
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  Speaker 1: the course of this investigation, have you participated in interviews
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  Speaker 1: with an individual named Redacted? Answer, yes. Question, For today's purposes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to refer to her as redacted. About
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  Speaker 1: how many times have you interviewed redacted? Answer, we've spoken
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  Speaker 1: to her approximately five times. Question, turning to the next slide,
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  Speaker 1: are these photographs of redacted? Answer, yes. Question, did she
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  Speaker 1: tell you approximately how old she was when both of
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  Speaker 1: these photographs were taken? Answer, yes. Question, what did she
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  Speaker 1: tell you? Answer, the photo on the left was approximately...
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  Speaker 1: 13 years old, and the photo on the right, she
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  Speaker 1: would have been 17 years old. Question, what is Redacted's
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  Speaker 1: date of birth? Answer, Redacted. Question, in addition to your
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  Speaker 1: participation in interviews with Redacted, have you also reviewed reports
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  Speaker 1: from other law enforcement officers who interviewed Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and is your testimony today, based on both your review
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  Speaker 1: of those reports and also your personal participation in interview
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  Speaker 1: with Redacted? Answer, yes. Foreperson, can you speak up a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more? Okay, thank you. Back to questions by Ms. Redacted. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so based on your participation in this investigation, have you
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  Speaker 1: learned where Redacted was living when she was about 14
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  Speaker 1: years old? Answer, yes. Question, where was she living? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she was living in Redacted. Question, was she living with
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  Speaker 1: her parents? Answer, no, not at this time. Question, why not? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she had a difficult home life. Question, was she going
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  Speaker 1: to school? Answer, she started and dropped out. Question, about
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  Speaker 1: when did she drop out of school? Answer, the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of her freshman year, a few months into her freshman
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  Speaker 1: year approximately. Question, and at about this time, how was
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  Speaker 1: she supporting herself financially in general? Answer, she worked different jobs.
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  Speaker 1: She worked in catering halls, as a waitress, in restaurants,
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  Speaker 1: and in clubs. Question, did there come a time when
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  Speaker 1: Redacted learned about Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Question, how did
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  Speaker 1: that first happen? Answer, she first met a girl named
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  Speaker 1: Redacted who told her that she could make money if
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  Speaker 1: she massaged this rich guy. Question, and when she heard
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  Speaker 1: that from Redacted, how did she respond? Answer, she responded
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  Speaker 1: that she wanted to make money, so she agreed. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what did she agree to? Answer, she agreed to go
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  Speaker 1: to his residence and massage him. Question, did Redacted recall
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  Speaker 1: how old she was when she first went to his residence? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she said she was approximately 14. If Redacted was born
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  Speaker 1: in 1988 Would she have been 14 in the year
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  Speaker 1: of 2002? Answer, yes. Question, and just to confirm, the
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  Speaker 1: date of birth listed on this slide is that redacted's
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  Speaker 1: date of birth? Answer, yes. Question, so you testify that
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  Speaker 1: she ultimately went to his residence. Which residence was that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: the one in Manhattan. Question, about how many times did
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  Speaker 1: she go to Epstein's residence? Answer, multiple times, dozens. Question,
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  Speaker 1: during the time she went to Epstein's residence in Manhattan?
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  Speaker 1: Did she tell you about what typically would happen when
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  Speaker 1: she would go to his house? Answer, yes. Question, what
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  Speaker 1: are some of the things that she told you about
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  Speaker 1: what had happened? Answer, so the first time she went
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  Speaker 1: with Redacted and she entered the residence, they waited in
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  Speaker 1: the office until they were escorted upstairs to the massage room.
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  Speaker 1: Once in the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein came into the room.
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  Speaker 1: He laid down on the table. Once he was on
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  Speaker 1: the table, a girl massaged each side and then Redacted
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  Speaker 1: would come and be asked to leave the room. and
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  Speaker 1: Redacted would stay. From there, once he turned over, he
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  Speaker 1: wanted his nipples pinched while he masturbated. Things progressed each
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  Speaker 1: additional time that she went. She would have to massage
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  Speaker 1: him while she was in her panties or without underwear
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  Speaker 1: or any clothes at all, and then eventually he would
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  Speaker 1: touch her. He touched her breasts, her genital area, and
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  Speaker 1: then he used a vibrator on her genital area. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Redacted tell you how much he was paid for
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  Speaker 1: each of these sessions? Answer, yes. Question, how was she paid? Answer, $ 300. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was she paid in cash? Answer, yes. Question, did she
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  Speaker 1: remember anything in particular about the way he paid her
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  Speaker 1: in cash? Answer, she was paid $ 100 bills. Question, during
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  Speaker 1: the interview with Redacted, what was her demeanor like when
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  Speaker 1: she would describe to you how Epstein touched her during
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  Speaker 1: these sessions? Answer, she became emotional. The more she had
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  Speaker 1: to talk about some of the worst things that happened
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  Speaker 1: to her, She became upset about it. Question. You were
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  Speaker 1: explaining earlier that Redacted said that she was approximately 14
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  Speaker 1: when this began. Did she tell you whether she had
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  Speaker 1: ever had any conversation with Epstein about her age? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: What did she tell you? Answer. She said that she
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  Speaker 1: told him she was 14. Question. Have you asked Redacted
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  Speaker 1: what Epstein's house was like? Answer. Yes. Question. How did
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  Speaker 1: she describe it to you? Answer, she gave a lot
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  Speaker 1: of detail about the house. She talked about the office
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  Speaker 1: having a round desk in it. She talked about the
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  Speaker 1: massage room had the massage table. It had lotion. It
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  Speaker 1: had moisturizers. On the walls, there were sketches or paintings
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  Speaker 1: of naked females on them. And she also talked about
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  Speaker 1: the library and his residence that looked like it was something.
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  Speaker 1: from Out of Beauty and the Beast. Question, is that
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  Speaker 1: how she described it to you? Answer, yes. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about what you've learned during the interview
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  Speaker 1: with Redacted. Just to take a step back, how did
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  Speaker 1: you first establish contact with her? Answer, my partner and
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  Speaker 1: I located her at her residence. Question, what did you
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  Speaker 1: say to her When you first approached her? Answer. She
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  Speaker 1: was very nervous when we first talked to her. And
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  Speaker 1: she told us that she was 16 and went and
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  Speaker 1: massaged Epstein and he masturbated and he didn't touch her. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And again, what was her demeanor like when she said
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  Speaker 1: this to you? Answer. She was very nervous. Redacted. She
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  Speaker 1: was just very anxious while we were speaking with her. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Were you able to conduct a full interview of her
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  Speaker 1: at the time? Answer. No. Question. At a later point,
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  Speaker 1: were you able to conduct a full interview with her? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and once you finally were able to interview her, did
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  Speaker 1: you ask her why she said that when you first
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  Speaker 1: approached her? Answer, yes. Question, when did she explain it
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  Speaker 1: to you? Answer, she told us that she didn't even
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  Speaker 1: really remember what she had told us initially because she
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  Speaker 1: was so nervous. She was so worried. She was really
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  Speaker 1: concerned that if she talked to us, she was going
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  Speaker 1: to jail. So she was really worried about being in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up episode one
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  Speaker 1: right here. And in the next episode, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All of the information
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  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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  Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off with the 2019 grand
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  Speaker 1: jury documents from New York. Once again, we have an
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  Speaker 1: unnamed person asking questions and an unnamed person who is
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  Speaker 1: an agent, answering those questions in front of the grand jury. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did there come a point in time when Epstein asked
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  Speaker 1: Redacted to bring other girls to him? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what happened? Answer, she did. She reached out to other
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  Speaker 1: girls that she knew to see their interest. Question, I
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  Speaker 1: want to ask you a little bit about what Redacted
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  Speaker 1: told you about her role in bringing other girls to Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Let me first just ask, in general, how would she
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  Speaker 1: find new girls? Answer, she would meet them through friends
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  Speaker 1: of friends. She'd meet them at clubs, different social settings.
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  Speaker 1: Question in general, what kind of things would she tell them? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she told them that they would have to give a
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  Speaker 1: massage either with their underwear on or nude, that he
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  Speaker 1: would want his nipples touched, and that he would masturbate. Question,
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  Speaker 1: would she tell them anything about payment? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what would she tell them? Answer, she'd tell them that
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  Speaker 1: they would get $ 300 for massaging them. Question, did Redacted
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  Speaker 1: have a sense in general of the ages of the
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  Speaker 1: girls that she brought to Epstein? Answer, she estimated around
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  Speaker 1: approximately 13, 14 years old to 17 years old. There
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  Speaker 1: were mostly underage girls that were brought. She did bring
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  Speaker 1: a couple that were 18. Question, approximately how long did
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  Speaker 1: she participate in bringing girls to Epstein? Answer, approximately three
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  Speaker 1: years of the three years that she went. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: approximately how old was she when she stopped? Answer, 17. Question,
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  Speaker 1: during this time period, over those three years approximately, did
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  Speaker 1: she have a sense of about how many girls she
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  Speaker 1: brought over the years to Epstein's house? Answer, she estimated
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  Speaker 1: approximately 20 to 50 girls. Question, did she work with
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  Speaker 1: anyone else in recruiting girls for Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who did she work with? Answer, another girl her age, redacted. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who was redacted? Answer, she was a friend of redacted,
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  Speaker 1: that was living with her at the time. Question, turning
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  Speaker 1: to slide number five. Did redacted provide you with this photograph? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and what did she explain to you about this photograph? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that this, that redacted on the left, and that's redacted
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  Speaker 1: on the right. They were approximately 16 years of age
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  Speaker 1: at the time the picture was taken. Question, and during
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  Speaker 1: this time period, around the time when this photograph was taken,
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  Speaker 1: when they were approximately 16, is that when they were working,
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  Speaker 1: and recruiting girls for Epstein? Answer, yes. Question in general,
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  Speaker 1: when Redacted would find a girl, how would she go
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  Speaker 1: about bringing that girl to Epstein? Answer, she would call
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  Speaker 1: who I believe was his, or she assumed was his assistant,
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  Speaker 1: a woman named Redacted. Question, why would she call? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she would call Redacted and say, hey, I have a
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  Speaker 1: girl who can work, and they would schedule that appointment.
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  Speaker 1: Question in conversation with Redacted, is that how they refer
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  Speaker 1: to these massage sessions as work? Answer, yes. Question, once
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  Speaker 1: the session was scheduled, would redacted go with the girls
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  Speaker 1: to the house? Answer, yes. Question, what would she do
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  Speaker 1: in general once she brought the girl to the house? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: so the first time she would take a girl, they
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  Speaker 1: would go to the residence, they'd wait in the office
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  Speaker 1: until they could be escorted upstairs. The first time she
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  Speaker 1: would go with a girl, she would go up with
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  Speaker 1: her so the girl felt comfortable and kind of knew
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  Speaker 1: what to do. Additional visits after that she would wait
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  Speaker 1: downstairs while the girl did the massage upstairs. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: Epstein ever give feedback to her adacted about the girls
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  Speaker 1: she was bringing? Answer, yes. Question, would he ever tell
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  Speaker 1: her that he particularly liked or didn't like a specific girl? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and would he ever tell her to bring a specific
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  Speaker 1: girl back or not to bring her back for other sessions? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: over time did she notice any patterns in the girls
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  Speaker 1: that Epstein seemed to like? Answer, she did. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: what did she notice? Answer, that he liked them young, petite,
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  Speaker 1: and natural girls. Question, what did she mean by natural girls? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that girls were under 18, weren't completely developed. Did she
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  Speaker 1: recall any particular expression that Epstein would use to express
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  Speaker 1: his preference when he was giving her feedback about girls
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  Speaker 1: that she had brought? Answer, I'm sorry, say that again. Question,
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  Speaker 1: in your conversation with Redacted, did she recall any particular
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  Speaker 1: expression or phrases that Epstein would use when he was
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  Speaker 1: explaining what girls he did or didn't like? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He would tell her, you know, what I like. If
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  Speaker 1: she brought someone he didn't like, he'd be like, come on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know what I like. Question, what was
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  Speaker 1: her understanding of what that meant? Answer, she understood that
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  Speaker 1: that meant girls that were under 18. Question, did Redacted
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  Speaker 1: tell you how much Epstein paid for her recruiting other girls? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and how much did he pay her? Answer, 300 bucks. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and was that for each new girl for every session
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  Speaker 1: with the new girl when she was brought in? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that was for each new girl and every session that
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  Speaker 1: she went with whatever girl. Question, we talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about phone calls between redacted and redacted, but I
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  Speaker 1: want to circle back and just talk about that in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more detail. Can you explain for the
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  Speaker 1: grand jury in general? How would Redacted schedule these sessions? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she would schedule the session through Redacted, would either contact
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  Speaker 1: her on her phone or she would reach out to
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  Speaker 1: Redacted and say she could work. Question, and just to
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  Speaker 1: be clear, did Redacted ever call Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: in sum and substance, what are the kinds of things
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  Speaker 1: that she would discuss on the phone with Redacted? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: when she'd be available to manage them or massage them.
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  Speaker 1: They talk about what girls... Redacted would ask her, do
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  Speaker 1: you have a new girl? Things along those lines. Question,
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  Speaker 1: approximately how old was Redacted when she stopped going to
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's house? Answer, around 17. Question, did she explain to
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  Speaker 1: you why she stopped going? Answer, she said that the
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  Speaker 1: older she got, she was having a more difficult time
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  Speaker 1: finding younger girls that he preferred. And at the time,
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  Speaker 1: she was also working at a cafe. Question, alright, so
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  Speaker 1: I want to switch gears and talk about another witness
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  Speaker 1: that you've interviewed. Before I do... I just want to
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  Speaker 1: be clear. We've been talking about some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that Redacted has explained to you in your interviews. When
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  Speaker 1: you've been describing what she told you, were those the
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  Speaker 1: exact words that she used in every interview or just
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  Speaker 1: some in substance of what she's relayed to you? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: some in substance. Question, during the course of this investigation,
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  Speaker 1: have you participated in interviews with an individual named Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so for today's purpose, I'm just going to refer to
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  Speaker 1: her as redacted. Can you tell us how many times
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  Speaker 1: have you interviewed redacted? Answer, twice. Question, have you also
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  Speaker 1: reviewed reports from previous law enforcement interviews with Courtney? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: is your testimony today based both on your review of
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: those reports and also your personal participation and interviews with redacted? Answer, yes. Question, okay.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: If we could turn to the next slide. Slide. Is
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: this the photograph of redacted? Answer, yes. Question, approximately how
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: old was redacted when the photograph was taken, if you know? Answer,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: approximately 19. Question, what is redacted's date of birth? Answer, redacted. Question,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: based on your participation in interviews with redacted, have you
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: learned where she was living when she was about 14
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: or 15? Answer, yes. Question, where was she living? Answer, 19.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: She was living with a friend of hers, redacted. Question,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was that in West Palm Beach area of Florida? Answer, yes. Question,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you mentioned that she was living with a friend. To
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: be clear, was she living with her parents during that time? Answer, no. Question,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: why not? Answer, she had a very difficult home life. Question,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: was she in school at that time? Answer, she had
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: started high school and dropped out. Question, did there come
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a time when Redacted learned about Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: how did she learn about Epstein? Answer, she and Redacted
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: were at a party together and another girl their age
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: had approached them, telling them that they could make $ 200
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach. Question,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: how did she respond when she heard that? Answer, she
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: agreed to do it. Question, did she end up going
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, Florida? Answer, yes. Question,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: about how many times did she go to the residence? Answer,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: approximately 60. Question, when she first started going to the house,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: did she ever go there with any of her friends? Answer, yes. Question,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: who did she go there with? Answer, she went there
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: with Redacted and other friends throughout the additional times. Question,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was Redacted approximately the same age as Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: did Redacted recall approximately how old she was when she
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: first went to Epstein's house? Answer, yes. Question, did she
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: remember the exact age? Answer, no. Question, what did she
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: tell you about what she was able to remember about
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: how old she was? Answer, she said she recalled it
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: was the summer before her 9th grade year, but that
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: she could have been 14 or 15, she was unsure. Question,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: In interviews previously, had she mentioned that it's possible that
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she might have been 16? Answer, yes. Question, but was
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: her most recent memory that she met him when she
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was approximately 14 or 15, but she wasn't sure? Answer, yes. Question,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: so if Redacted was born in 87, would she have
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: been Redacted 14 or 15 in about the year 2002? Question,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: or answer, yes. Question, all right. During the time that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Redacted went to Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, did she
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: explain to you what would typically happen when she went
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to Epstein's house? Answer, yes. Question, what did she describe
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to you about, in general, the kind of things that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: would happen when she would go to his house? Answer,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: so she explained that she would go to the residence,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: she'd be escorted upstairs, sometimes it was with a friend.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Each girl would massage the side of Epstein, one girl
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: would leave. Things that happened in the room, Redacted described,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that Epstein would want his nipples touched He would masturbate
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and he would touch her. She said that usually the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: massages were done when she was only in her underwear. Question.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Has she ever described Epstein using a vibrator or a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: sex toy? Answer. Yes. Question. What did she describe? Answer.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: She said that he used a vibrator on her genital area. Question.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: During these massages, would Epstein ever instruct redacted to use lotions? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Did she identify what brand of lotion Epstein used? Answer.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Bath and body works. Question. You explained that when she
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: would go to the house, she would either go upstairs
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: or be escorted upstairs. Can you explain for the grand
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: jury when she would arrive at the house? Was she
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: ever greeted by anyone? Answer. She was usually greeted by
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Epstein's assistant redacted. Question. And did redacted ever escort her
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: upstairs to the massage room? Answer. Yes. Question. Did redacted
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: tell you that she was paid? Each time she went
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to Epstein's house? Answer, yeah. Question, what did she tell you? Answer,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: she was paid $ 200. Question, how was she paid the $ 200? Answer,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: $ 100 bills. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: right here. And in the next episode, we're going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All of the information
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off with the grand jury
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: transcripts from 2019 in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. Question. Did
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: there come a point in time when Epstein asked Redacted
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to bring other girls to him? Answer. Yes. Question. Did
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: she agree to do that? Answer. She did. Question. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: want to ask you a little bit about Redacted's role
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: in recruiting other girls to bring to Epstein. Can you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: explain for the grand jury in general? How would she
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: find new girls to bring to Epstein? Answer, she found
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: them at parties or in the neighborhood she was living
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: at at the time with Redacted. She described it as
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a trailer park environment that she brought girls from, but
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: some were school, when she was still there, and then
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: just parties. Question in general, what kinds of things would
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: she tell the girls about what to expect? Answer, initially
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: she told them that there was just going to give
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a massage and get paid. Question, and did she have
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a sense in general about the ranges of ages of
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: girls that she would bring to the house over time? Answer,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: under 18. She did say she brought a couple that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: were over 18 and he wasn't happy about it. Question,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a little bit more about
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that in a second, but just so we're clear, was
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: her sense in general that the girls she brought to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the residence over that time, that most of them she
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: thought were under 18? Answer, yes. Question, approximately how many
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: girls did she estimate that she brought over the years approximately? Answer, dozens. Question,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in general, what would happen when she would bring the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: girls to Epstein? Answer, she would go with the girl.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: They'd be escorted upstairs. The first time she went with
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a girl, they would massage them together. Once Epstein flipped
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: over to when he was laying on his back, he
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: would tell Redacted to leave, and the other girl would
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: stay and massage while Redacted went downstairs. Question, did Epstein
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: ever give Redacted feedback? On the girls that she had brought? Answer, yes. Question,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: would he ever tell her whether he liked or didn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like specific girls? Answer, yes. Question, would he ever ask
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: her to bring a certain girl back or to not
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: bring another girl back? Answer, yes. Question, did you notice
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: over time any patterns in the girls that Epstein seemed
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to like? Answer, yes. Question, what did she notice? Answer,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that he liked young, young girls, young petite girls. Question,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and did she notice whether he appeared to have any
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: preference in the race of the girls that she was bringing? Answer, yes. Question,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: what did she tell you? Answer, he did not like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: dark-skinned or black girls. Question, did she recall him using
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: any particular expression when he would convey his preference to her? Answer, yes. Question,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: what did he tell her? Question, he told her, you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: know what I like. Question, she understood that to mean
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that he liked under 18. Question, When redacted first went
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to Epstein's house, did she tell Epstein that she was
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: older than she really was? Answer, yes. Question, why did
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: she tell him that she was older than she really was? Answer,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: one of the girls told her to say that she
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was older than she was. Question, when she started recruiting girls,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: did she tell them to say that they were older? Answer, yes. Question,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: did there come a point in time when she stopped
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: giving girls that instruction? Answer, yes. Question, why did she
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: stop doing that? Answer. She said because it didn't matter.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: He didn't care how old they were as long as
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they weren't over 18. Question. Why did she think he
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: didn't care about whether the girls were over 18 or not? Answer.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Because she said he had preferred under 18 and that's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: what he wanted her to bring. Question. Why did she
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: think that was what he preferred? Answer. Because that's what
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: he told her. You know what I like. And she
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: understood that to mean under 18. Question, did Redacted tell
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you how much Epstein paid her for recruiting other girls? Answer, yes. Question,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: what did she tell you? Answer, 200 bucks. Question, was
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that for each new girl or for like everyone she
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: brought in? Every time she brought the girl. Question, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: did Redacted explain to you how she would schedule these
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: sessions with Epstein? Answer, yes. Question, how did that work? Answer,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: so she would be contacted by Redacted or she would
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: call Redacted to schedule appointments. Question, what was her understanding
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of who that was? Answer, she understood that to be
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: his assistants. Question, in general, in sub and substance, what
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: would they discuss on those phone calls? Answer, she would
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: tell Redacted what the girls looked like. She would tell
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: them when they would be available. She'd also tell them
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: when they wouldn't be available based on their school or
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: after curricular activities, extracurricular. Question, during these calls, how would
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Redacted refer to the sessions that they were scheduling? Answer
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: as work. Question, can you give us an example of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: how that would be used in a sentence? Answer, that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: she would say, are you available to work or do
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you have a girl that's available to work? Question, during
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: these phone calls about scheduling, did Sarah ever say where
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: she was calling from? So they didn't redact the name here,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: which is interesting, but we all know they're talking about
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen Vickers. And when we're talking about co-conspirators, at
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: least me, that's what I'm talking about. but they want
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to conflate it all the time. They want to talk
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: about Harry, Dick, and Tom too. How about we focus
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: on the people we know about for sure and then
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: work from there? Question. During these phone calls about scheduling,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: did Sarah ever say where she was calling from? Answer, yes. Question.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: What did Redacted remember about that? Answer, Redacted called Redacted
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: saying that she was calling from New York and they'd
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: be coming down to West Palm Beach. Question. Okay, switching gears.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And that she also said, quote, also brought some girls
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: who were over 18, and Epstein told her, quote, the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: younger the better. And that she also said, quote, he
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: likes the girls that are between the ages of 18
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and 20. Answer, yes. Question, all right. Switching topics, have
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you become aware that in 2005, police officers from the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach Police Department executed a search warrant at Epstein's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: house at the El Brío Way address in Palm Beach? Answer, yes. Question,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and have you reviewed some of the material that was seized?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: During the search? Answer, yes. Question, did they find a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: massage table and sex toys? Answer, yes. Question, did they
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: find any phone messages? Answer, yes. Question, turning to slide seven.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Could you please explain to the grand jury what we're
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: looking at here? Answer, this is the room in his
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach residence. Down here on the close right corner,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you're going to see a massage pad. Question, so were
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: those notepads for taking phone messages? And where I just
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: said massage pad? It was message pad. Answer, yes. Question,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and in the message pads, was there just one message
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: per page or were there four laid out, two on
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: top and two on the bottom? Answer, there were four,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: two on the top and two on the bottom. Question,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the message pad that we're looking at in this photograph
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was the only set of messages that were recovered from
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the residents? Answer, no. Question, all right. So let's talk
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit about some of the phone messages that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: were found in the house. Let's turn to slide eight.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Could you walk us through what we're looking at here? Answer.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So this message is dated September 30th, 2004. Redacted's name
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: is on it. And in the message, it says she
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: has a female for Mr. J.E. Question. So given the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: date on this message, if this message had been left
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: by redacted, given her date of birth, would she have
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: been about 16 years old when this message was left? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Let's turn to slide nine. What we're looking at. What
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: are we looking at here? Answer, this is a message
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: that's dated November 8th, 2004. Redacted is on the message,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and in the message it says, I have a female forum. Question,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: do you recognize this particular phone number? Answer, yes. Question,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: based on your review of law enforcement reports, has Redacted
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: previously identified this as her phone number? Answer, yes. Question,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: based on the date of this particular phone message and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Redacted's date of birth, Would she also have been about
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: 17 when this message was left? Answer, yes. Question, let's
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: turn to slide 10. So we've been looking at some
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of the excerpts of the phone message. Is this a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: full page of phone messages? Answer, yes. Question, and do
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they all have dates on them? Answer, no. Question, which
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: one had dates on it? Answer, upper left-hand side. Question,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and is that November 11th, 2004? Answer, yes. Question, So
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: can you tell when these messages were approximately left? Answer, approximately, yes. Question,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: but beyond the fact that one of them is dated,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you're not sure. Answer, correct. Question, okay. Can you walk
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: us through what we see here on this message pad? Answer,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: so bottom right, redacted is listed. On the top right,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: redacted PH is listed. And it states, wondering if you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: want her to work tomorrow and what time. So the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: message on the bottom marked Redacted doesn't have a date
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: on it. But if these messages were left in approximately
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: November of 2004, based on Redacted's date of birth, would
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: she have been about 17 when this message was left? Answer, yes. Question, alright.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Turning to slide 11. What do we see here? Answer,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: so this message was dated January 13th, 2005. Redacted is
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: listed on the message, along with her phone number, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it just states, please call her. Question, yes. Based on
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: your review of law enforcement reports, has Redacted previously identified
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: this phone number as being one of her phone numbers
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: during that time period? Answer, yes. Question, based on the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: date of this message and Redacted's birth, would Redacted have
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: been about 17 years old when this message was left? Answer, yes. Question,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: let's turn to slide 12. Can you tell us what
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: we're looking at here? Answer, this message is dated January 29th, 2005.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Redacted's name is on this message along with her phone number.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And in the message it says, I have a female forum. Question.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Based on the date of this message and Redacted's date
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of birth, would she have been about 17 when this
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: message was left? Answer, yes. Question. Let's turn to slide 13.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: This message is a bit more faint, so if you
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: could just walk the grand jury through the message. Answer.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So this message has Redacted listed on it along with
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: her phone number. And in the message it says, She
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: has a female friend for you. Please call back as
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: soon as possible. Question. Is there a date on that message? Answer. No. Question.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So earlier you were describing that in interviews with Redacted,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: she explained that she was living with a friend named
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Redacted at the time she first encountered Epstein. Is that right? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And did she explain whether she ever went to Epstein's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: house with Redacted? Answer. She did. Question, and did you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: find in your review of the phone message in Epstein's
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: house any messages left by a person named Redacted? Answer, yes.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to wrap up right here. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in the next episode, we're going to pick up where
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we left off. All of the information that goes with
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: off with the 2019 grand jury transcripts in relation to Epstein. Question.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about a few of those messages. If you
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: could turn to slide 14, please. What do we see here?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Answer this message in March of 2005. It lists redacted
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on it, and in the message, she will be here
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: at 4 p.m., but she needs to talk to you
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: before that. Please call her back. Turning to slide 15,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: what do we see here? Answer, this is the message
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: dated September 8th of 2005. Redacted is listed on it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: along with her new phone number, Redacted. Question, now do
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know, one way or the other, whether this specific
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: message was left by Redacted? Answer, no. Question, are you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: familiar with Redacted's date of birth? Answer, yes. Question, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: if this message had been left by Redacted, based on
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the date of the message and Redacted's date of birth,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: would she have been about 17? Answer, yes. Question turning
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to slide 16. What do we see here? Answer, this
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: message is dated March 18th, 2005. Redacted is listed on
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: it along with a phone number and the message says,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: please call her. Question again, same as before. Do you
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: know one way or the other whether this specific message
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was left by redacted? Answer, no. Question, but based on
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the date on this message and redacted's date of birth,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: if it had been left by redacted, she would have
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: been about 16 on that date? Answer, yes. Question. Turning
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to slide 17. Does this appear to be another message
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: left by someone named Redacted? Answer. Yes. Question. What's the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: text of the message? Answer. She can be tomorrow here
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: from 2 p.m. to whenever. Question. What's the date on
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the message? Answer. Oh, sorry. 3-18-05. Question. Sam is before.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know one way or the other whether this
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: was left by Redacted? Answer. No. Question. Based on her
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: date of birth? And the date of this message, if
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: she had left this message, would she have been about 16? Answer, yes. Question,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and finally, turning to slide 18, this is a bit faint,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: so if you could walk the grand jury through it. Answer,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: so this message has redacted's name on it, along with
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the phone number, and in the message it says, has
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: girl for tonight? Question, is there a date on the message? Answer, no. Question,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in your review of these phone messages, did you find
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: any other phone message that appeared to fit this pattern
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of scheduling with girls? Answer, yes. Question, okay, let's talk
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: about just a few of those. Let's turn to slide 19.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: What do we see here? Answer, this message is September
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of 2005. It has a woman name redacted on it.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: In the message it says, cancel redacted. She would like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to speak to you, I believe, about college. Along with
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the phone number. Should I schedule anyone else? Question, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: so the name redacted. We'll talk about that a little
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: bit in a few minutes. But just for present purposes,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: have you become aware during this investigation? that during the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: time period, Jeffrey Epstein had an assistant named Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: turning to slide 20, what does this message say? Answer,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: this is a message that has Redacted PH on it,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and in the message it says, wants to work if
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you are in. Question, turning to slide 21, what does
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: this message say? Answer, the message has Redacted on it,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and the message states, is it okay if Redacted will
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: come at 5pm? Question, and finally, turning to slide 22,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: what does this message say? Answer, the message has redacted
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and redacted PH on it. In the message, it states,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: they are available all weekend, maybe, redacted too, and sign
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: redacted PH. Question, have you interviewed a person named redacted
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: during this investigation? Answer, yes. Question, do you know whether
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: or not that's the same person listed on the message? Answer, no. Question,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in a minute, I want to ask you about the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: interviews of Redacted. But before I do, I just want
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to ask you a few more questions about Redacted. Did
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: there come a point in time, in approximately 2000, when
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Redacted learned that Epstein was being investigated by state authorities
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: for his conduct with minors? Answer, yes. Question, how did
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: she learn that? Answer, she had seen it, that there
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: was an investigation into him. And then she had read
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: out to Redacted and told her that if she didn't talk,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: she'd be taken care of. Question, and were those the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: exact words? Used or just the sum and substance of
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the conversation? Answer, sum and substance. Question, and do you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: remember as we sit here today, whether she said that
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: she called Redacted or whether Redacted called her? Answer, I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: don't recall the specifics, but there was a telephone communication. Question,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and finally, when you met with Redacted, what was her
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: demeanor like when she discussed her role in recruiting minors
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: for Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I'm sorry, can you say that again? Question,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: when you talked with Redacted about her role in recruiting
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: minors for Jeffrey Epstein, what was her demeanor like? Answer,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: she became very emotional when she talked about that, very
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: upset about her role. and bringing other girls to him. Question. Finally,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about one last witness
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that you interviewed. During the course of this investigation, have
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you participated in interviews with an individual named Redacted? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: For today's purpose, I'm just going to refer to her
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: as Redacted. Can you tell us how many times have
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you interviewed Redacted? Answer. Twice. Question. Have you also reviewed
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: reports from previous law enforcement interview with Redacted? Answer. Yes. Question,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: is your testimony today based on both your review of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: those reports and also your own interview with Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: let's turn to slide 23. Are these photographs of Redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: did she tell you how old she was when these
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: photographs were taken? Answer, she said she was approximately 16
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: or 17 years old when the photos were taken. Question,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: what is her date of birth? Answer, Redacted. Question, And
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: have you learned where she was living when she was
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: about 17 years old? Answer, yes. Question, where was she living? Answer,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach area. Question, was she in school
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: at the time? Answer, yes. Question, did there come a
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: point in time when Redacted learned about Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: how did that happen? Answer, one of her friends told
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: her about a girl. I'm sorry, someone told her about
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: being able to make money to massage a rich guy
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach and she agreed to do that. Question,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: did she ultimately end up going to Epstein's residence in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida? Answer, yes. Question, approximately how many times? Answer,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: multiple times. Question, approximately how old was she when she
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: first went to Epstein's house? Answer, approximately 16 or 17
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: years old. Question, during the time that she went there,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: did she explain to you what would typically happen when
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: she went to Epstein's house? Answer, yes. Question, What are
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: some of the things that she has described to you
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: that occurred while at his residence? Answer. She talked about
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: having to massage him without her clothes on and just
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: her panties are nude. She talked about having to play
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: with his nipples while he masturbated and then touched her breasts,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: her genital area, and used a vibrator on her genital area. Question.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, where would this occur? Answer. In the massage
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: room at the West Palm Beach residence. Question. During these massages,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: did Epstein ever instruct her to use lotions? Answer, yes. Question,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: what kind of lotion? Bath and Body Works. Question, what
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: was she told about any payment she'd received for the session? Answer,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: she said she'd received $ 200. Question, how was she paid? Answer,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: $ 100 bills. Question, who would pay her? Answer, Epstein or Redacted. Question,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit more about Redacted in a moment,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: but let me ask for now. What, if anything, did
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: she say about a conversation she had with Epstein about
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: her age? Answer, she said that she told him she
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: was under 18 and he made comments to her that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: if she was 18, he'd help her with her modeling
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: career or when she became 18, he could help her.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: He told her that if she was 18, he would
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: have taken her to a party. Question, when you met
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: with Redacted, what was her demeanor like when she discussed
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: what happened with Epstein during these sessions? Answer, she became
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: upset and went into further detail about what occurred. Question,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: when you say she was upset, can you just explain
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: for us a little bit what it was like talking
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to her about those experiences? Answer, it was emotional. I mean,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: there were tears. There were some tears. Question, were there
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: some details she wasn't comfortable talking about? Answer, yes. Question,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: has Redacted told you that she's gone to psychological treatment
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: in part to cope with her experiences with Epstein? Answer, yes. Question,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: has she ever been hospitalized relating to those issues? Answer, yes. Question,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: what was she hospitalized for? Answer, self-harm, cutting herself. Question,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I want to switch gears and talk about a few
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: records relating to Redacted. If we could turn to slide 24.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: What's depicted in this slide? Answer, so this is a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: calendar page. This was taken from her senior year school planner.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And on this page, you can see she wrote in
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein up here on the 9th, and then Jeffrey's
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: listed on the 29th. Question, just to give some context, Redacted.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Are these the pages from October 2004 from her senior
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: school planner? Answer, yes. Question, and are there listed some
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: of her activities and events throughout the month? Answer, yes. Question,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: in October 2004, would Redacted have been 17? Answer, yes. Question,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the two areas that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you flagged in the circles. So looking at the top
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: right red circle that's underneath and to the right of
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the entry that says new school. Is Jeffrey written on
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: that Saturday the 9th? Answer, yes. Question, and at the bottom,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the circle there just under the entry for homecoming game,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: is there an entry for Jeffrey comes back? Answer, yes. Question,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: have you talked with redacted about what she would typically
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: do with money she was paid? Answer, yes. Question, when
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: she went to Epstein's house? Answer, yes. Question, just as
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a reminder, can you explain for us what she told
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you about how she was paid? Answer, she said she
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: was paid in $ 100 bills. Question, and who would pay her? Answer,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Epstein or redacted. Question, what would she do with that money? Answer,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: she would deposit it in her bank or bank account. Question,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: was her memory that she generally did that or that
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: she did that absolutely every time that she went there? Answer,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: that she generally did it. Question, and has she provided
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you with copies of records from her bank account during
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that time period? Answer, yes. All right, folks, we're going
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to wrap up right here. And in the next episode
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we're going to wrap this bad
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: boy up. All of the information that goes with this
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: off with the 2019 grand jury documents. Question. All right.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Turning to the next slide. Sorry. Before we move on
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: to slide 25. Here on slide 24, the red circles
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that are here are those that you have added to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: aid the grand jury in spotting those two locations or
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: did the circle those in her planner? Answer, no, those
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: were added. Question, so turning to slide 25, you've testified
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that redacted provided you with some of her bank records.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: What are we looking at in this slide? Answer, so
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: this is an October 2004 deposit and in it she
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: deposited $ 200 and a $ 20. Question, if this deposit happened
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: on October 12th, 2004, would Redacted have been 17? Answer, yes. Question,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: turning to slide 26, is this another deposit slip? And
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: this one on November 9th, 2004? Answer, yes. Question, is
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: this another deposit slip that Redacted provided you? Answer, yes. Question, what,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: if anything, did you notice about this deposit slip? Answer,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: it's two. She deposited 200. Question, does the deposit slip
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: note what kind of bills she deposited? Answer, hundreds. Question,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: based on the date of this deposit, would she have
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: been 17 when this happened? Answer, yes. Question, did Redacted
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: explain to you in general how these sessions with Epstein
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: were scheduled? Answer, yes. Question, what did she explain to
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you about how that worked? Answer, that she spoke on
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the phone with Redacted. who would schedule her to work.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And when I talk about co-conspirators, I'm talking about these people.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: They're the co-conspirators. Question, what was her understanding of who was? Answer,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: his assistant. Question, in general, what kinds of things would
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: they discuss on the phone call? Answer, they'd talk about
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: when she was available, or Redacted would tell her, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that she was coming down to, that they were coming
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: down to West Palm Beach. Question, and did Redacted ever
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: tell her? Where she was calling from? Answer, yes. Question,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: what did Redacted remember about that? Answer, she recalled Redacted
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: saying she was calling from New York. Question, and when
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: she remembered Redacted saying she was calling from New York,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: what was the context in which Redacted would explain in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: general in sum and substance why she was calling from
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: New York? Answer, she was telling Redacted that they would
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: be arriving in West Palm Beach on a certain date
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: and to ask her when she's available. Question, In these
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: phone conversations with redacted, what kind of terminology did redacted
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: typically use to refer to these sessions? Answer. She referred
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: to it as work. Question. Did redacted remember having scheduled
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: calls with anyone except for redacted? Answer. Yes. Question. did
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: she remember getting calls from anyone else? Answer, yes. Question,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: what did she remember? Answer, she remembered getting calls from Redacted. Question,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: what was her understanding of who Redacted was? Answer, that
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: she was another assistant of his. Question, and in sum
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: and substance... What would she talk about on the phone
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: with redacted? Answer, same thing that she talked with redacted about. Scheduling. Question,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: does redacted still have the cell phone she had as
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: a teenager during this time period? Answer, yes. Question, and
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: what kind of phone is it? Answer, a flip phone. Question,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: has she shown the phone to you when you met her? Answer, yes. Question,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: is there a contact stored in the phone for a redacted? Answer, yes. Question,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and a phone number stored for that contact? Answer, yes. Question, alright,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you a little bit about
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: that specific phone number. Turning to the next slide, slide 27.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: What's on this slide? Answer, so this shows who is
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: financially responsible for this phone number, which is Jeffrey Epstein.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: And it shows the user as redacted associated with this
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: phone number. Question, are the subscriber records for the phone
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: number redacted? Answer, yes. Question, yes. Is that the phone
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: number that's stored in the flip phone that you just
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: described that Dana has? Answer, yes. Question, so in these
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: subscriber records, are these records maintained by the phone company
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: for that phone number? Answer, yes. Question, in the top
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: two sections, do those sections explain who's responsible for the
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: account in terms of billing and paying for the account? Answer, yes. Question,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and is Jeffrey Epstein and a Manhattan address listed in
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: both places? Answer, yes. Question, at the bottom section under
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: user information, is there information about this particular phone number
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and the user of that phone number? Answer, yes. Question,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: so is the user listed for the redacted phone number
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: listed as redacted? Answer, yes. Question, and is it listed
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: at the Miami address? Answer, yes. Question, have you reviewed
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: phone records for Redacted's phone during the time period we've
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: been talking about? Answer, yes. Question, I'm going to talk
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to you a little bit about some of those records.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: If you could turn to slide 28. Is this an
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: excerpt from the phone records for Redacted's cell phone? Answer, yes. Question,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: on this slide, there's an arrow next to the excerpt
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and a highlighted portion. Could you just walk the grand
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: jury through that particular line on the record? Answer, that
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: was a call that was made on January 3rd at 1.06 p.m.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: It's redacted's number. Question, so that's a record of those
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: two phones talking to each other on that date and time? Answer, yes. Question,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: so if this call was between those two phones on
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: January 3rd, 2004, I want to talk to you about
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the very next day, January 4th, 2005. If you could
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: turn to slide 29. So the day after the phone
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: call we've just discussed, has Redacted provided you with a
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: deposit slip for January 4th, 2005? Answer, yes. Question, and
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: did she deposit cash that day? Answer, yes. Question, about
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: how much? Answer, she deposited about $ 150, $ 100 bill, two
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: 20s and a 10. Question, just so we're clear on
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the timeline, on January 3rd, 2005, Redacted and Redacted's phone
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: numbers were talking to each other And the very next day,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: redacted deposited cash? Answer, yes. Question, all right, turning to
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: slide 30. Is this an excerpt from the phone record
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: for redacted cell phone? Answer, yes. Question, focusing on about
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: halfway down the highlighted line, are those records of calls
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on September 16th, 2004? Answer, yes. Question, and what does
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: this record reflect? Answer, that a call was made at
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: around 2.08 p.m. on September 16th between redacted and redacted. Question,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: so sticking with the same day, September 16th, 2004, let
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: me ask, have you reviewed flight records from Jeffrey Epstein's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: private jet? Answer, yes. Question, and do those record log
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: flights that he took on his private jet? Answer, yes. Question,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: and do those records also include flight manifests that show
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: what individuals were on the flight? Answer, yes. Question, so
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: turning to slide 31, what's the record excerpted here? Answer,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: so this shows that there was a departure on September
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: 16th from JFK to West Palm Beach, and it lists
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: all the individuals that were on the flight. Question, just
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to take a step back for context, can you just
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: explain for the grand jury what the different fields are
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: in this record? What kind of log this is? Answer,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: so this is a flight log. It shows the dates
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: that he's flown out, his aircraft has flown out, and
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: shows from location and to the arrival destination. Question, turning
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to the field on the far left and going down
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to the part where we've put an arrow. Does that
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: reflect a flight on September 16th, 2004? Answer, yes. Question,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: do you recognize the airport codes to the right of
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that that reflect the point of departure and arrival? Answer, yes. Question,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: so what is the particular flight? Answer, so this is
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: JFK in New York. PBI is West Palm Beach. Question,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: in addition to this log of different flights, have you
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: also looked at the particular flight manifest for September 16th,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: 2004 flight that we've been talking about? Answer, yes. Question,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: turning to page 32. Is this the passenger manifest that
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: we've been talking about? Answer, yes. Question, is this the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: passenger manifest for the September 16th, 2004 flight we've just
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: talked about? Answer, about halfway down to the area, there
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: is a circle showing Is that a circle that you've
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: added for this presentation? Answer, yes. Question, is Redacted listed
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: as a passenger on a flight on September 16th, 2004?
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Question or answer, yes. Question, what are the listed times
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and departures and arrival locations for this flight? Answer, so
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: they departed at 8.05 p.m. and arrived in West Palm
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: at 10.16 p.m. Question, just so we have the timeline straight,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: if we could back to slide 30, I believe you
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: testified earlier that the phone call highlighted here is on
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: September 16th, 2004 at two o'clock. Is that correct? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: So if this call occurred at two o'clock on that day,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: would that have been about six hours before the flight
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: took off from JFK? Answer. Yes. Question. And in your
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: conversation with redacted, did she ever tell you that Epstein
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: asked her to bring girls for him? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: What did she tell you about that? Answer. She said
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that he asked her if she had friends to bring. Question.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: And how did she respond? Answer. She took two girls. Question.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: When you say she took two girls, did she bring
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the girls to Epstein's house? Answer. Yes. Question. Were those
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: girls minors? Answer. Yes. Question. If you could give me
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: just one moment. Special agent redacted. Have you told the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: grand jury everything that you know about this case? Or
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: have you just answered the questions that I've asked? Answer. No.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I've answered the questions that you've asked. Question, when you
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  Speaker 1: testified about the documents that you reviewed or the conversations
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  Speaker 1: that you had with others, were you testifying to the
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  Speaker 1: exact words used or just the substance of the documents
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  Speaker 1: or those conversations? Answer, just to the substance. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: are you willing to return to the grand jury if
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  Speaker 1: the grand jury has further questions for you? Answer, yes. Misredacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: With the foreperson's permission, I'd ask for the witness to
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  Speaker 1: be excused. Foreperson, you're excused. All right, folks, that's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it for the grand jury documents from New
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  Speaker 1: York in 2019. All of the information that goes with
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