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8/11/26: Trump Fled Air Force One, Mearsheimer Says US Lost War, AOC 'Woke One Was Crazy', Dem Says 'Establishment' Is Racist Slur · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: Trump says he wants reparations from Iran, and we are
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  Speaker 2: learning a wild story about how he used Air Force
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  Speaker 2: one as a decoy because he believed there was a
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and start with an absolutely insane story that
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  Speaker 1: broke last night from one of my friends over at
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Post A eleven. Let's put this up here
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  Speaker 1: on the screen. Absolute stunner here from Dan Lamoth, John
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  Speaker 1: Hudson Andibrotane and Joyce Son Leun Lee. Contradicting public statements,
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  Speaker 1: Trump took a secret flight from Turkey amid the Iranian threat.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a little bit of a step back,
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  Speaker 1: and the timeline here actually matters a lot. So what
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  Speaker 1: they detail in this story is that, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: will recall several weeks ago, Donald Trump flew to Ankra
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  Speaker 1: for the for the I think it was the NATO
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  Speaker 1: summit that was taking place there. He's on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: While he's on the ground, the United States resumes of
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  Speaker 1: bombing Iran. Obviously, there were some questions Turkey of course
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  Speaker 1: shares you know, terri are order with Iran and air
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  Speaker 1: Dewan himself has been a critical node in some of
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  Speaker 1: the negotiations. But there never really was an idea that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Trump himself would be in danger, except there
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  Speaker 1: was a strange tweet which Trump puts out in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the meeting where he says, due to you know,
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  Speaker 1: he said, because we need to like retro fit. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't say it these words exactly, but he basically said,
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  Speaker 1: the Katari Air Force one, which was gifted to him.
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  Speaker 1: He said, that will be here and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be bringing the new, sorry, the old Air Force one
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  Speaker 1: to Ankara, which I will then fly back to the
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  Speaker 1: United States on He kind of made it some grand
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  Speaker 1: show of like magnanimity so that people could see the
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  Speaker 1: grand old Air Force One. The reality and what was
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  Speaker 1: reported at the time was the Qatari Air Force one
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  Speaker 1: was not equipped with the correct security you know, infrastructure
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  Speaker 1: for some sort of anti missile threat. Well, as we
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  Speaker 1: then learn now from this, an Iranian assassination threat had
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  Speaker 1: triggered a new deception operation, which is very rarely seen
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  Speaker 1: in the history of the American presidency. So the Qatari
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  Speaker 1: gifted air Force one leaves Turkey first without Trump. Trump
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  Speaker 1: boards the Legacy Air Force one in Ankra. He walks
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  Speaker 1: up the stairs and waves for the cameras. Now the
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  Speaker 1: video that should be up in front of you, all right, Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is the appearance that he is on that plane.
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  Speaker 1: But what you can actually see in the video is
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  Speaker 1: that he secretly exits that Air Force one through the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the aircraft onto one of those airport
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  Speaker 1: catering trucks through the plane door. He then drives to
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  Speaker 1: a smaller Air Force C thirty two A, which is
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  Speaker 1: a modified Boeing seven fifty seven. He secretly boards the
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  Speaker 1: C thirty two A along with the Secretary of Defense
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  Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth. Reporters and many White House staff are on
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  Speaker 1: board Legacy Air Force one. They have no idea that
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is no longer on White aircraft.
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  Speaker 2: They're still on the plane Trump thinks is going to
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  Speaker 2: get blown out of the sky.
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  Speaker 1: They think, well, yeah, could potentially get blown out of
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  Speaker 1: the sky. And they had to put their windows down
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  Speaker 1: at one point, which a lot of reporters say is
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  Speaker 1: very very strange. The leg Air Force one takes off,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with great fanfare and eventually uses Air Force
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  Speaker 1: one's call sign as it flies to the UK. The
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  Speaker 1: actual C thirty two A secretly departs Ankora slightly afterwards
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  Speaker 1: under a nondescript call sign called Reach eighteen. Its normal
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  Speaker 1: flight tracking system is switched off. Trump arrives an RAF
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  Speaker 1: base in the UK on the C thirty two A
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  Speaker 1: before decoy Air Force one arrives. He transfers back on
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  Speaker 1: to Air Force one in an unknown fashion. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know whether it was through an airport catering truck or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: He then gets off of the legacy Air Force one
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  Speaker 1: on the plane. From the plane to cameras, nobody on
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  Speaker 1: board has any idea of him in a very very
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  Speaker 1: small group. Then he boards the Katari Air Force one
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  Speaker 1: in the UK flies back to Washington with press and staff.
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  Speaker 1: So this is extraordinary for a number of reasons. Number
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  Speaker 1: one is the President basically never goes anywhere without the press.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you he's a former member of the
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  Speaker 1: White House press pool. Even on those secret trips where
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  Speaker 1: Trump would go to Iraq and they didn't announce it
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  Speaker 1: the White House. The way it works is they bring
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  Speaker 1: let's say three or four people and they're going, look,
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  Speaker 1: you're all sworn to secrecy. None of you can tweet
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  Speaker 1: about it. But you're all coming on board Air Force one.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to the war zone. Bush did this previously
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  Speaker 1: as well. I mean even in the middle of nine
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  Speaker 1: to eleven. You know, Ari Fleischer and people are bringing
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  Speaker 1: press people on board the plane. So to have a
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  Speaker 1: president on board and aircraft without the press is absolutely extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: It literally almost never happens, not even just in terms
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  Speaker 1: of tradition, but I mean, you know, in case anything
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  Speaker 1: we're to go wrong, a nuclear attack like who knows,
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  Speaker 1: something absolutely crazy. So that just shows you how extraordinary
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  Speaker 1: this is. But second, to have this like crazy deception
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  Speaker 1: operation from what we know in modern history, has only
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  Speaker 1: happened once before with Bill Clinton in the year two thousand,
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  Speaker 1: where he was filmed going up the stairs of Air
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  Speaker 1: Force one. But the plane he lands on is different.
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  Speaker 1: I forget which country that he was come. So it's
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  Speaker 1: been almost twenty six years since, at least what we
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  Speaker 1: know of to see something like this. But the reason
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  Speaker 1: why I think that we should obviously take this seriously
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  Speaker 1: is Trump and the government clearly believes Iran actually could
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  Speaker 1: kill him. I mean that you don't go to these
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  Speaker 1: extraordinary lengths for no reason. Yeah. Two, well, there's some
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  Speaker 1: problems apparently with Katar force one if it doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: the air defense capabilities to be able to do anything
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  Speaker 1: but to be able to you know, shoot down incoming
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  Speaker 1: missiles or any of that. But three, it gives us
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  Speaker 1: some more insight into Trump's extraordinary paranoia and fear whenever
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Iran and his genuine belief that they
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  Speaker 1: might kill him. Well, and again, I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: they would. I think, I mean, I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah course, But then you have to go, well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have murdered their leader, that you wouldn't maybe
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about it quite so much, because how
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  Speaker 2: could we. I mean, that's how we opened the war. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, given the fact that their whole approach has
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  Speaker 2: been horizontal escalation, Okay, you do that to us, We're
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  Speaker 2: going to do that to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have you have put that on the table.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what we talk about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a very specific kind of example
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  Speaker 2: of blowback, but that's what we talk about in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the way we conduct war. It's all well and
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  Speaker 2: good when we're doing it to someone else or we're
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  Speaker 2: you know, our Israeli counterparts are doing it to someone else.
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  Speaker 2: But that opens up Pandora's box that that can now
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  Speaker 2: be done to you. That is now on the table.
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  Speaker 2: So there was an extraordinary image yesterday that came out.
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  Speaker 2: He was playing golf at Bedminster. We can put this
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  Speaker 2: up on the screen next to a short range air
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  Speaker 2: defense system that was deployed there on the grounds. When
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  Speaker 2: I first saw this, I thought it was AI.
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  Speaker 3: It's not. It's real.
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  Speaker 2: And so again just shows you how seriously and how
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  Speaker 2: concerned he truly is about the possibility of you know,
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  Speaker 2: we can't say for sure this was due to an
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  Speaker 2: Iranian threat, but that would be the presumption, is that this
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  Speaker 2: was some based on some concern about.
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  Speaker 3: A threat Iranian threat on his life.
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  Speaker 1: So I know that they're terrified of the drone threat.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is Putin, you know. And it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to say because the press, the Western press, is always
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  Speaker 1: trying to make things out yeah in Russia. But I
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  Speaker 1: do think it's pretty obvious from Putin's own public movements.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't really go anywhere anymore. He's terrified of being
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  Speaker 1: assassinated by Ukrainian drones. I think that's the future, and
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  Speaker 1: you and I talked extensively about this with Maduro. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: do we really want to normalize, Like we can just
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  Speaker 1: go in and we can get any foreign here under
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  Speaker 1: false pretense. What was Maduro's crime? Remember he ordered machine guns,
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  Speaker 1: He violated the inner I'm like, okay, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, Trump's going to get indicted in
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  Speaker 1: in a molla court in Iran. Like do they have
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  Speaker 1: the right to do so? I mean the right is
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  Speaker 1: only by force, So yeah, you open Pandora's box.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and especially because of the way that the nature
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  Speaker 2: of warfare has changed and really the playing field has
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  Speaker 2: been leveled. I mean, that's what we should have learned
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  Speaker 2: from the Ukrainian Russia example.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't.
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  Speaker 2: We actually should have learned it from the Hamas Israel example.
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  Speaker 1: And Syrian Civil war.
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  Speaker 2: It was all right there, absolutely, but we had to
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  Speaker 2: learn it the hard way by jumping into this war
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  Speaker 2: with Iran thinking that it was going to be EPs,
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  Speaker 2: will be.
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  Speaker 3: Done in three four days.
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  Speaker 2: Trump literally thought that, And then you look at the
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  Speaker 2: landscape of drone warfare. It's not going to be that simple.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, these drones are inexpensive, they're easy to manufacture.
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  Speaker 2: Iran is very good at it, China is very.
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  Speaker 3: Good at it.
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  Speaker 2: We are less good at it, actually, and so we're
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  Speaker 2: behind the eight ball here. And I don't remember who
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  Speaker 2: was saying, like, think about our one of our aircraft carriers.
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  Speaker 2: What are you going to do when they send one
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand drones at your aircraft carrier? Do you think
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  Speaker 2: that that is going to work out for you? Just
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  Speaker 2: overwhelm the defense systems. So you know this, I think
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary concern for Trump comes about from the new modern
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  Speaker 2: version of warfare and also the fact that he has
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  Speaker 2: conducted himself and put our you know, our military has
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  Speaker 2: conducted itself under his direction in this incredibly barbaric way,
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  Speaker 2: that we never checked Israel and allowed all of that
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  Speaker 2: barbarism to continue, that we open this war. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: the you know, the piece about US negotiations as a
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  Speaker 2: tactic to then murder the entire leadership class. You can't
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  Speaker 2: think of something more dishonorable than that. So yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: puts that on the table for anyone. That means you're
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  Speaker 2: not the only one who's going to think of that idea.
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  Speaker 2: This is now on the table. As you said, Cyber
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  Speaker 2: Pandora's box. And so now we have the President golfing
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  Speaker 2: in Padminster with you know, air defenses employed right next
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 1: You can see it if you ever fly in DCA,
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  Speaker 1: you can see some of the SAM systems that are
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  Speaker 1: all over the Washington monuments. You know, I've been pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: I've never gone up to the White House roof, but
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  Speaker 1: I got pretty close one time. And there's all I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these secret service guys just come literally out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere with all kinds of crazy military technology. So
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  Speaker 1: this will only be amplified now with the drone threat.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think we have to take this really
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  Speaker 1: seriously because if the United I mean again having been
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  Speaker 1: part of the White House, like I have never heard
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  Speaker 1: of this ever, and when it sounds crazy, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: This is out of a movie. And the reason why
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  Speaker 1: clearly is a secret service in Trump. Therefore, and if
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  Speaker 1: they're afraid, I think it is a credible enough threat
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  Speaker 1: to undergo some crazy deception operation to actually have this.
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  Speaker 1: And remember they fool the press, they fool his own
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  Speaker 1: staff probably like oh, he's sleeping or something in his bedroom,
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  Speaker 1: like their own people basically that were left there. And
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  Speaker 1: so I mean this will be fodder, I think, for
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  Speaker 1: future films, but it does demonstrate this will never happen
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  Speaker 1: under these extraordinary lengths if there is not at least
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  Speaker 1: some inkling or an idea of a credible threat. It's
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  Speaker 1: just scary.
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  Speaker 2: It's also incredible that the Washington Post got this story.
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  Speaker 2: Presumably there are very few people who were involved who
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  Speaker 2: knew what was going on. As you said, most of
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  Speaker 2: his staff on the old Air Force one thought he
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  Speaker 2: was there, thought he was in his bedroom just sleeping
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  Speaker 2: or recovering or planning or whatever. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to be able to get this insight into this deception
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  Speaker 2: operation is also pretty ordinary.
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  Speaker 1: My guess is. And this is kind of the funny
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  Speaker 1: thing that Trump administration has been going after the former
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  Speaker 1: Air Force secretary, accusing him of leaking. Let me do
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to give away anything. There
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: are a lot of people who currently work in the
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: building or are very pissed off about the way this
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: entire war has gone. And that's another problem, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't support that.
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  Speaker 4: I guess the deep state is bad, but I guess
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  Speaker 4: in this case, maybe the deep state is good because
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  Speaker 4: they're the ones who warned Trump that this was going
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  Speaker 4: to be an utter and a total disaster, and they're
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  Speaker 4: both humiliated.
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  Speaker 1: They're angry. Many of them are the ones who are
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  Speaker 1: paying the price. They're getting blamed when they're like, no, sir,
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  Speaker 1: we told you that we shouldn't be doing this. And
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  Speaker 1: this is part of what it looks like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whenever you're like, when you put the country in such
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  Speaker 1: a bad position, and especially with a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: military that a lot of them are absolutely furious about
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: the way that this is all gone. Taking it back
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  Speaker 1: again to Trump's flailing and his general like lack of
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  Speaker 1: control over this situation, Let's put a one. Now, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen where Trump says the straight up her moves
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  Speaker 1: actually is open because we're the ones keeping open. Let's
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  Speaker 1: take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: You get visit the estimate of when you think the
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  Speaker 2: straight of war moves will.
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  Speaker 1: Open.
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  Speaker 5: Now, we've taking a lot of shit. It's open now.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the only one that has control of the Strait
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  Speaker 2: of Homves right now is the United States Navy.
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  Speaker 5: We have a blockade that's been infallible. It's a steel wall,
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  Speaker 5: and we let people in that we want to let in,
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  Speaker 5: and those people come in and they've been coming in
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  Speaker 5: into going out, so it's actually open now.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually open now. And yet the actual number, what
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  Speaker 1: do we have? I think we have the actual numbers
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  Speaker 1: in front of us. Let's put a nine up here
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: on the screen from drop site unnamed you was official
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  Speaker 1: told Axios around eight million barrels of oil are going
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  Speaker 1: through the Gulf every night. Reporting has not independently confirmed that.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, lower amounts of oil suggested by available tracking
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  Speaker 1: data report a total of sixteen point nine million barrels
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  Speaker 1: moving west to east through horror moves from August first
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  Speaker 1: to August seventh. So I don't have the exact math
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  Speaker 1: in front of me, but I do know that that's
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  Speaker 1: not eight million barrels.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even if it is million, that's also significantly
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  Speaker 2: lower than what's.
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  Speaker 1: Of pre war pre war exactly. Yeah, not exactly going
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  Speaker 1: to cut it, especially when as you and I are recording,
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  Speaker 1: UK Mto says that another ship was just struck in
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: the bob Almendev straight and so you still have that
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: showpoint which is happening. Don't forget though, oil traders are
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  Speaker 1: literally delusional, because Pakistan put out a statement today being
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: like you know, things are close. Things are close, and
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  Speaker 1: so oil slips a little bit. It's still at eighty
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: seven dollars a barrel whenever it comes to Brent, well
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: well above where things were when it actually looked like
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: some potential ceasefire might happen. We do have Professor Meerscheimer
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: kind of laying out why Trump is in his low
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: keying it strategy. He lays it out pretty emphatically. He
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: lost the war. Let's take a listen, very simple.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: Tommy has no choice. He lost the war. This is
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: a devastating defeat for the United States. Can you tell
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: me what the United States should do to regain leverage
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: over Iran? I actually think you can't tell me because
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: we have no solution.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: We have no Trump might think that because Oman is
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: a US ally it shouldn't be going along with his
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: arrangement with Tyrone Jump.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: He does think that, but it doesn't matter. It just
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter. Trump has no cards here. It's as simple
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: as that. I mean, first of all, he can't escalate,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: which is his main threat for two reasons. One of
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: he's ad a munitions, as Voli said, and number two,
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: our Gulf allies have told him in no uncertain terms
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: that is unacceptable because the Iranians have made it clear
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: that if we escalate, they will escalate, and they will
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: destroy oil facilities, desalination plants and so forth and so
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: on in the six Gulf States, and they will effectively
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: wreck those states. And Trump doesn't want to go down
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: that road. He has there's no options here.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: That's basically what we see right now. Trump is low
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: keying it. Wall Street Journal out with the report last night.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Trump has settled back on the no war, no peace strategy,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: believing that economic sanctions that this time they're going to work.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: This time exactly and in fact, you know, is this
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: latest one that will show you a two. We'll put
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: it up here on the screen where Trump says, I
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: see representatives of the Islamic Republic are looking for compensation
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: for the damage done to them during the last five
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: months of military conflict, even though it was never mentioned
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: in any of our negotiations. But it is an interesting
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: idea because now I am likewise demanding compensation from Iran
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: for all the people they have killed and gravely wounded
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: for which they are famous as led by General Stule
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and money. Additionally, compensation will be paid to the families
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: of the hundreds of thousands, of hundreds of thousands now
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: of innocent protesters that Iran has killed over the last
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: fifty years, not to mention the fifty two thousand that
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: have been killed in the last five months. I do
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you notice how that number goes up every single time
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that they talk about it. I have instruc did my
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: representatives to put this firmly into any and all future negotiations.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: He just cares so deeply about the Iranian people. It's
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: really heartwarming too.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: He followed that up also with the next one, can
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: we where he says, also with respect to Iran negotiations,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Iran should be responsible for damages and deaths caused to
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the people of Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and Gaza. All Right,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: so now apparently Iran is behind all of that. Well
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: you even see that they're blaming Iran for the USS
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: coal which was literally done by al Qaida. I mean,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it's just total nonsense. But the reason why I think
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that you have to pair those two things together is
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: while Trump is still in the no war, no peace strategy,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: this makes me think this shit's going to go on
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: for years, because that truth is an example of how
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: when push comes to shove. Real surrender is going to be,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: here's your money, reopen the strait, you get to charge
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: your tolls, we walk away, and the Saudis and everybody
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: else will phase out our bases over time. That's actually
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen eventually. But in the interim, he
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: still is in this position. He's like, oh, you're demanding reparations.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Actually I'm demanding reparations. Or whenever they're like, we're going
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to charge a toll for the straight actually I'm going
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to charge a toll. Like he still has to present
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: what Professor Pape calls a victory narrative, and eventually, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you just have to give that up. And that's just
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: like we're stuck right now for for probably years.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to guess, well, I mean what he's
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: got to ride down another two plus years of the presidency,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: you know, playing these games with the oil market, trying
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to keep it some at some manageable level. Okay, we
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: can handle eighty dollars a barrow, we can handle ninety,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: maybe we can handle one hundred. Like let's keep you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: job owning the markets and see what we can do
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and bypass and play this cat and mouse game in
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the straight, et cetera, and see if we can keep
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the prices at a level that are relatively manageable and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: kick the can down the road to the next president
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and let them be the ones that have to withdraw
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: from the region and close all of our bases and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the humiliating defeat. I mean, it's the same thing that
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: he and every other president did with Afghanistan. It's like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: we recognized this was a disaster. The American people actually
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: want us to get out, but don't realize what that's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: going to entail and how messy and ugly it's going
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to be. So we're all just going to continue pushing
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: this thing, muddling it along, kind of putting it on
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the back burner. Now, the question here is you were
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: able to do that with Afghanistan because there wasn't this
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: like incredibly globally significant strategic trade choke point. Can you
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: do that with a run That's the question. And I
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: think now that we are months and months into this
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: thing and he's been able to navigate it. Yeah, his
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: prewaring is a disaster. Yeah, Republican they're going to get
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: blown out in the midterms. Yeah, Americans really are unhappy
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: with the whole situation, but it hasn't been a total
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: bottom falling out global economic catastrophe. So now he's getting
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: some confidence that he could just continue to muddle through,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that people will get used to the new status quo
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and he can push it down the road enough to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: make it the problem of whoever the next president is
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: here JD good luck Enjoy or here AOC or whoever's
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: going to be on the Democratic side here Gavin Newsom, here,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris and good luck figuring this one out and
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: having Americans be okay with what will be the acknowledgment
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of a humiliating defeat at the end of the day.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So that's the gamble now is again, I think there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of question marks, including that assumes that Iron
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just sort of accepts that.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And is like, okay, sure, we'll let you wait it out.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know why they would do that, because they've
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: got a you know, they have established that they have
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: escalation dominance. They have a lot of other cards that
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: they can play, including tightening the screws in terms of
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the oil markets. You know, Bob il Mondob is not
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: really shut down. There's still a lot of traffic flowing
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: through there. You could increase the pressure there. You could
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: increase the pressure on the Gulf allies. You could go
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: after our bases more aggressively and target our service members,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: forcing the you know, additional loss of American life.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot that they could still do.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that they're just going to accept
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: this state of play and let Trump engage in his
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: low kying stripe, right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, ukraining in Russia is the perfect example.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: The war is more dangerous today than the war than
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the day it began for the entire world because of
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: all of these insane Ukrainian strikes. I mean again, nobody
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: even does any coverage. They killed thirteen people at a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Russian oil refinery last night, taking off a bunch of
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: jet fuel and diesel. So like eventually the bill is
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: going to come due. Man, I look all.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Some Livia oil refinery.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: This has got hit too because of Libya continuing to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: be unstable thanks to what we did.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That It's what we keep saying here, like you're just
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a few like bad situations away from a genuine nightmare.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And we have that, you know, we have a ten
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: we can put it up here. The oil in the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: US Strategic Petroleum Reserve has now fallen below three hundred
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: million barrels. That's the lowest since nineteen eighty three. The
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: minimum amount of oil needed to safely operate is about
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: seventy million barrels. That number, but I think it's been
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: in dispute from what I understand, because that comes from
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the current Energy Department that previously they had released one
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two million barrels at the beginning of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the war. That but believe that distribution ends in the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: next month or so, So are they going to have
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to just keep drawing it down? Like what's that going
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: to look?
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: What about China? I mean, the Chinese emergence as the power,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the most powerful oil buyer in the world was totally
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: unforeseen in this entire war, are they how much longer?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Are there? We have no idea, they don't publish it,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and so all of these big question Martians. Also, like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you said, is Ron just going to sit back and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: take it? If I were them, I couldn't. That would
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: be a slow act. That would be being ground to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: your death. However, resuming the war, you look, they kill
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a few American service members, America starts to accept more risks,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: maybe we lose a few pilots. We could kill hundreds
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of thousands of them literally in a single day if
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we wanted to. But that's not if that's bad too, right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: beyond the moral implications that that would devastate their country,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: would lead to a disaster for them as well. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: they're leaders, They're ingest as much of a vice as Trump,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But honestly, the stakes for them are higher, and with
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the stakes for them as high as where they are,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it makes it a lot more dangerous.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Well, because that's the thing is.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Trump thinks that allowing the economic pressure to build on
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: them as they continue to be under sanctions and unable
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to do what they need to charge the toll and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the straight up war booze like as an inflation is increasing,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: as that economic tension increases for Iran, he believes that
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: will lead them to give up concessions at the negotiating table.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I think it is far more likely that it leads
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: them to escalate. I think that is a much more
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: likely outcome here. But you're right, we're talking about Listen,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: we're running low on precision long range missiles. But We
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: have a ton of dumb bombs that we could just
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: drop on them, two thousand pounds jade ams and whatever
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that we could just drop and it would entail more
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: risk to our pilots. But that is a possibility that
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: continues to be on the table. So it's not like
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: we are out of anything and the cupboards are completely
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: bear on everything. There are still a lot of There
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: is still a massive amount of destructive capability that we
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: wield if we were to choose to take that increased
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: risk to our own service members.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Right exactly. And that's what that's actually what makes me afraid.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And I think that this is still in I still
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: think we might be in the opening game. You know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: JD is called it the middle game. I don't think
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that's accurate. You and I both know Memorandum of understanding
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: alone was a titanic you know, just even trying to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: get it was a titanic task and fell apart instantly.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So now we're just trying to get back to the memorandum.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: We haven't you talked about nuclear issues. I think this
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: is going to happen for years. I think it will literally,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I mean years.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Told us yesterday the conditions that are on laid down.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: We're not even this is what will take to get
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a deal. It was this is what we will require
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to even start talking to you again.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: So I do.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It really does feel like we've been to this play before.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, our whole lives, adult lives, have been watching
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: these forever wars get started and then just kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: drag on forever and be put on the back burner,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and some new worse status quo is established that people
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: are just forced to accept.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And with oil, I mean it's four dollars a gallon.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: The White House seems to think that's acceptable. Maybe that's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: just reality now three point fifty four bucks a gallon
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: for as long as it takes. If the other side
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: of the world has a total crisis, sucks to be them.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: If it's not good, we can't bail them out. By
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the way, you know our Japanese yen thing, Yeah, how
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: about you covered? Yeah, it didn't even work. No, I know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it's sort collapsed by fifty percent. Yeah, you know, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: mean the.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Tools they're in a world of trouble.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: They're in big trouble South Korea too.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But that's the reason we care is because then we
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: cover this all in the segment is because it has
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: major implications for US because they are the largest four
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: and holder of US treasuries. So if they're forced to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: sell treasuries to you know, hold up their own currency
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and repatriate their own cash, then that means that our
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: interest rates on our treasuries goes up. That means it
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: costs way more for us to service our debt, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that becomes a really.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Big problem, a really big problem.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: So that's why Bessett, you know, had his little shopping
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to do list by you know, billions of dollars of Japanese.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yet because it doesn't it's not just oh, poor Japan
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: they're struggling, which they are, it's poor, you know, it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: this has major implications for US too, and that's why
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: that's why this is very precarious. So on the one hand,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I think the Trump plan of low kying it is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: aimed at muddling through, getting through, pushing the it off
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to the next president. On the other hand, it continues
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to be very volatile and fragile, and I'm not sure
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: that that is going to be a strategy that can
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: work given the specific dynamics of this conflict.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: We'll just have to see.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Agreed. All right, let's get to DAMS.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: It is election day today in Minnesota, in Wisconsin, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: also actually in South Carolina. Darlene Graham on the ballot
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: here to replace her brother.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: But before we get.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Into the specifics of these elections, there's an interesting dynamic
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: here with A when she was being asked at some
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of the old tweets and comments of Francesca Hang and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: other DSA aligned candidates whether those were going to be
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a problem for them going for let's go ahead and
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: take a listen to what she had to say.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: As possible to win the Senate. So I've been focused
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: on those legislative work.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: What do you make of those controversial statements. I'm sure
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: you've seen. I mean, she's you know, the Thanksgiving dust up.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: She says she doesn't you know, still believe that. But
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: you know, the abolished prisons, abolished police, which is also
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: positions that have been taken by a lot of the
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: progressive candidates who have won. How do you get around that? Yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: not positions that are supported by right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think that a lot of these races,
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: even right now, they'll have a tendency to be nationalized.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: But these races ultimately are local, and all politics are local.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: My understanding is.
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: That is that Francesca Hang has made clear her present stances.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: To her life moved away from right. She's moved away
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: from it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: And I have a local city councilman that has this
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: uh uh saying woke one was crazy. And I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: that what's important is that we.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: Have to assess what too far with some of those positions.
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: I mean, you you briefly supported the idea of defunding
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: the police.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think I think that during this time,
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: and during especially during COVID, there was a huge opening
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: of the Overton window. We were shut down. There was
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: some of the highest unemployment rates that we have seen
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: because of those shutdowns, and I think that the doors
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: were really open and trying to entertain any and every
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: policy that was going to get us to a better place.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: And I actually think that the discussions that had that
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: were had in that time were quite fruitful. I think
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: that when we talk about crime today, it's fundamental different
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: than the way that we talked about crime and bringing
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: crime down right, And I think that we all share
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: in the goals of having as low a crime rate
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: as possible. I think that you know, during lockdown, of course,
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: rhetoric in that time is not rhetoric that we would
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: use today. And I'm grateful that these candidates have the
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: opportunity to present who they are to their electorate and
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: what they're campaigning on in this moment.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So she's referring there to Tosa is a councilman Forum
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: New York City, the one who came up with them. Yeah,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: he's the one, and he's the one for people who
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: don't remember who thought about challenging Hakeem Jeffries and then ultimately,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you know, DSA at Zoron's urging, decided not to back
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: me and decided not to run in that primary. But
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: in any case, this captured a lot of online attention.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I'm curious for your thoughts on as Auder.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I could give a whole diet drive because chrys Lnar
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: are going on John Store today, So we can't let
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: this blow out to be too long. I would say
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: woke one is crazy is with the most like it
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: is the biggest cop out of all time, because look,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you either held the position or not. In my opinion,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: everybody still woke. They just don't admit it anymore. I mean,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: or they have to explicitly apologize. So for example, Zorn
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: literally had to tell the cops, I'm sorry for saying
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: defund the police. I think that's a very positive development actually,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but because it required a little bit of accountability, this
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: is a massive cop out. Like if you support defund
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the police, say it, like if you support you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: little kids being castrated chemically, say it like you should
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: say that. If you support mass rioting and looting and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, put your MLK quotes out there,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you should stand by that, or you should have the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: decency to tell people I was totally wrong and it
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was a total disaster. So people's lives were ruined, people
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: literally died, the murder rates skyrocketed. It was one of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the worst in my opinions, you know movements all probably
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in modern American history. The almost lost the election because
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of it, and you know, they tried to deny it
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: for years and years and years, and you know, saying
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: woke one, it's crazy. It is just it's not enough.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Like I would compare it to the way that you
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: probably feel about Trump and you want accountability your Trump regime.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: That's my woke one, Like that was my woke one.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: That was my radicalizing event. Like I lived through ten
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: years of actual total cultural insanity and to just say
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: woke one was crazy. It's like it's not enough for me,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and I think for a lot of people too. You'd
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: be like, well, what do you mean by that? Like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to change your position? And I do think you know
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of these candidates trying to have it both
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: ways is frankly bullshit. Like Abdul l Saiad literally lies
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: about saying defund the police. You know, he chickened out
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: apparently on coming on the show because we were going
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to debate property tax and just canceled for no reason.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: One of the things I was going to ask him
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: was like, dude, you claim that you never said it.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You said it, We have you on tape. Why don't
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you admit that you said it? And if you change
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: your policy then you should say that. But you know
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people just want to walk away.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Francesca Hong today was asked about some of her old tweets,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and I forget exactly what she said. She said, as
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: somebody who was studying to be a sports journalist, I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: just wanted to put all my different hot takes and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: opinions out there. I'm like, no, like you said Thanksgiving
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: should be canceled, like you basically you know, you said
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you were uncomfortable about having a half white son. That's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: fucked up, Like you should pay penance for that, you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: should have atoned for that. And so I don't know.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: For Look, she's not gonna win me over ever, like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of AOC, but for somebody else, if you
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: hold those positions, we're gonna have to have some serious
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: cultural dialogue about what exactly all that means. So yeah,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that they should take they
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: should take notice of the most successful DSA politician in
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the countries around Mom Donnie, who had to straight out
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: come out and be like, yeah, I was wrong, I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: apologize for that and then appoint Jessica Tish Like yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: unless I see something like that, I'm like, I don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: believe you.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think so a few things. First of all,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the conversation that you want to have is just not
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: going to be feasible in this like Sunday Show Quick Hit,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: where she's being asked these questions, you know, in thirty seconds.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And so I think what you see with her saying woke,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: one is crazy, And with Francesca Han saying basically like
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I love I put on a lot of hot takes
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. I don't stand by all of them. She
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: cleaned up or Thanksgiving, They're like, no, I don't want
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to cancel Thanksgiving, et cetera.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I think you see.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: A recognition an increased level of pragmatism among the left
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that you did not see at that point. And I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: think part of it comes from the fact, I mean,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: first of all, just it was an intense time with
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: COVID and lockdowns and BLM and George Floyd being murdered
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and all of these sorts of things. So part of
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it is that, and part of it is the fact
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that now the left has a real chance to actually
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: be in power.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: So you have to not just put on a tweet.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You have to actually govern, and you have to you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: do have to appeal to a broader electure. So I
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: think there is a level of pragmatism, and I also
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: think there's a learning of just like, you know, the approach,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: it didn't work, It didn't work to your point, it
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: led to it, it led to a backlash. You know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: there was never any criminal justice reform that was passed.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You could point to some local examples, sure, but coming
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: out of Black Lives Matter, there was no mass criminal
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: justice reform at all. The police were not in fact defunded,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and so I think there has to be a reckoning
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: with that. But to me, it's a positive step forward
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: for people like to be able to say, Okay, that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't it was a strategically savvy I don't think we're
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: in that same place. Here's where I actually stand and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: be able to move forward. So you know, I understand
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: what you're saying about AOC and listen, she still holds
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: position that you just disagree with, and Francis Gahan also
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: holds positions that you just don't agree with, and Zorn
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: does as well. So they're not going to like apologize
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and come to you on that. But this is a
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: kind of recognition that, yeah, there were some excesses at
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that point, you know, both in terms of the tactics
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: in terms of the rhetoric, and it didn't end up
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: ultimately working out.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I just feel like it's a past that isn't fair.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan has said this, like it's not just me.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I see ow the leftists saying this they're like, guys,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: this ain't gonna cut it, like you're gonna have to apologize,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like you kind of have straight out.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That's actually not what Ryan said about this.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: He said he thought she did a pretty good job
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of handling this in the situation. But you know, the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: other thing that I want to point to is, like,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you know, for all the conversation about woke one and
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: all the criticism that I had of it and have
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: of it, you know, continue to have of it, there
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: is a very authoritarian woke too under the Trump administration
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: right now that you know, has a far wider reaching
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and more powerful effect where you're not just talking about
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro getting shouted.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Down at a college or whatever.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: You're talking about people being deported, You're talking about people
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: being arrested, you're talking about mass surveillance NSPM seven. And
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: so it's also hard for me to get worked up
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: about that at this point, given the way that specifically,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: quote unquote anti Semitism is being used to imprison people,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: deport them and completely crushed ascent and to label them
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: as terrorists by the federal government. Think you're so, I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: think that has to be put in context.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Vira no I don't just read at all. So and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: again I apologized Ryan. I had interpreted it as him
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: talking about because I what I saw what he had
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: said about woke the whole woke one thing. He's like, no,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: there needs to be here, like a reckoning in terms
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of how that erow was handled with cancelation. But I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: think by defining it as just Ben Shapiro, like, that's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: not what happened, right, Like the murder weight went sky
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: high because of the George Floyd protest. That is an
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: empirical fact. It is just simply true.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I think also was part was driven by COVID, no
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: doubt about.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, partially, but there is I can show you the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: data the day before the protest and the day after
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the murder rate went sky high and only just recently
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: came down. The only reason I think that a lot
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of DSA is getting a layer with a lot of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: its nonsense today is because that the murder rate has
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: gone has gone to like twenty twelve era, so people
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: are no longer having to worry about the concerns that
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: we have. But like I don't forget, I remember you
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: know what that looks like. And the destruction of this
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: entire city. So that's where I'm like, Okay, it's not
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro right, Like it's a it's a genuine like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: mass cultural hysteria which took over. And still I think
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: most of the left believes, like I don't. I still
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: think that they do believe that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: So you totally believe what well.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I think that they still believe in a lot of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the anti racist bullshit. They just you know, kind of
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: phrase it a little bit differently. But it's like, okay, okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a good example. It's very easy to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: say a lot of this anti Semitism hysteria is bullshit.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Is do you have the courage to say it about
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: affirmative action? No, I mean I don't think so, Like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of you know, maybe true
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: trotsky Heites. Jack have been a read a nice jack
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of An article yesterday about this whole woke one situation
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: which made a lot of the same points that I'm
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: making the trotsky Heites at Worldwide Socialist Web where the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: original anti woke people but like you know, the Median
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: liberal voter was appalled at the minority majority districts getting
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: struck down, Like they still believe in affirmative action.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, I mean that's what that is.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Who there is.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: There is a legacy of racism, and the argument and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: flu doesn't come out of nowhere, right, there was there
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: was you know, George Floyd was murdered.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: People were horrified it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And by including people on the right, I mean Sean
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: handed to Sean Hannity doing a segment about how horrifying
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that was.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I was horrified.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, I mean.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: There so there is a historic legacy of discrimination against
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Black Americans specifically, and I think, look, I'm not a fan.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not a support of affirmative action, so I don't
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: put but I understand why people say, okay, this group,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: there is a legacy here that we have to deal with.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: The can to have mass separities in terms of health
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and in terms of wealth, et cetera. And it's not
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: tied to like you know, pretending criticism of a foreign
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: government is actually racism against this particular group. It's based
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: on actual reality, history and current outcomes.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: You and I both know that. You know, when i'd
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: say a minority majority district is affirmative action or is bullshit?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You know today I'm going to be called racist like
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it's that still exists and I know it. I mean,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I talk about the trans is another one. I mean,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: it's one of those.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: You also have to admit that racism is not only
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: alive and well, but is being really stoked by the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: current Republican party. And we can we discussed a very
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: recent example of that guy, Amir Hassan. I think his
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: name was who the other guy whose name was like
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Tom Jones or something very standard white guy name had
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: literally dropped out of the race. Amir Hassan is backed
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: by Trump and literally just because he has a Muslim
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: sounding name loses.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: In a republic in private. That's islamophobia, it's not racism.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess, okay, Biga Tree, sure, I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: not dying that it exists. But do I support fermative
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: action for Amir Hussein. No, honestly I don't.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, but I'm just saying, like to just
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: dismiss concerns because again I don't even support a firmative actionally,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: but just dismiss concerns over racism as some like liberal hysteria.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's preposterous.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Well, a black lady is literally about to be the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: next governor of Georgia, which would have, you know, most
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of the Georgian founding fathers rolling in their graves and
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: nobody who's bitching about minority majority.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: No one's saying that there.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe some are, but I don't think the general view
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: is that no progress has been made. I also don't
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: think that your view is that one black lady in
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a high level of representation means that the problems are solved.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Part of this will be put to the test.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Not just in the primaries on the Democratic side, but
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: also in terms of the general elections. And one of
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the test cases here is very likely to be Francesca
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: hang in Wisconsin. She has been leading in that primary
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: in the entire time. She's a state rep from Madison, Wisconsin.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: We had around the show Emily and I interviewed her.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: She's put B two up on the screen. Polls could
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: be wrong. I think we all found that out in Michigan.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I would expect a polling air frankly, but they have
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: shown her leading by easily, by double digits in all
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the recent polls. You know, starting in July. She previously
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: had two opponents. One of them dropped down at the
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: race and said Hey, the writing's on the wall about
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: who the nominee is going to be meeting her. Her
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: other opponent is David crawley'stut's still in. He's backed by
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the government governor. He is the more establishment candidate. She
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: has a lot of while posts from woke one point zero,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: there is no denying it, and unlike Zorn, she has
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: not She's done a little bit of distance. But he
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: did the like I'm going to delete my tweets and
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to apologize. Abdulda is similar thaying I'm going
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to delete my tweets. I'm going to just like you know.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: He hasn't apologized.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to move forward, and he's.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Lying about what he said.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But in any he deleted the tweets and really distanced himself.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: She's kept the tweets up and is doing less of
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: that rhetorical distancing from her past. So that has led
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to a lot of concerns about whether or not she'll
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: be able to win a general election in Wisconsin for governor,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: even in a year that is very is going to
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: be a very very likely a wave year for Democrats.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Well, and look, this is where let me give my
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: flowers to at least some of the DSA for attacking
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: her opponent David Crowley, who claims he's a black man.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Not that it's relevant, who says that by calling him
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: quote establishment and it's a racist slur. Let's take a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: listen to B five.
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: I'm trying to figure out who the establishment is, right.
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: I think that when we talk about the establishment, I
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: don't know who that is. I'm a kid that grew
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: up in five three two six Zipcob. My parents was
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: drug addicts and suffered from mental health. I've worked extremely
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: hard to be where I am today, and so when
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: people try to call me the establishment, I look at
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: that as a slur, particularly as an African American candidate,
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: and so I have never ran for office to protect
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: the establishment. I've always been here to protect the people.
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: That's my foundation. That's what I'm going to continue to
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: do as a county executive. And what I'm going to
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: do is the governor of Wisconsin.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: That's walk one point zero. If I've ever seen one
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: as called the establishment.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I do think that is an important point as well,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: which is that a lot of the origin of woke
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: actually came out of the neoliberals. The Hillary Clinton campaign
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: as a chunt to weaponize identity against the left. We're
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: seeing a lot of that playbook continuing to this day.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Didn't work, but almost did against Abdul el Sayed, They
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you know, attempted something similar again sour On and so,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you know, very interesting to see that playbook rolled out
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: here as well. Let's go and put B six up
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: on the screen. There's a you know, wisconsin'stem establishment really
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: freaking out scrambling to try to stop Francesca Hong. And
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I think all, you know, all the scrutiny of her
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: past tweets and her positions, and obviously all of.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: That is completely justified.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I do think there's been less curiosity about why it
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: is that this random Madison State Rep jumped out to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: such a large and seemingly seemingly insurmountable lead. And Ken
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Klippenstein is lives in Wisconsin and has been tracking a
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: lot of this and the interesting thing and actually what's
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: her face? Dan Prino on Fox News gave Francesca Hank
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: some credit for this. The campaign she's run has been,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: first of all, very very grassroots heavy, you know, using
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the DSA organizing model, you know, doing having actual community
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: members reach out to people directly who have a connection
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to campaign and are passionate about it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: They're not just being paid to knockdoors.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: She's also and actually we could put this B nine
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: up on the screen talked about some of this strategy.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: She also, I think has honed in on some of
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the issues that are not only a concern to the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Democratic base, but are more broadly across ideological concern and
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: specifically talking here about data centers and flot cameras. And
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: she also is the only candidate I think I've seen
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: who has specifically addressed NSPM seven, which I think is
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: more of a specific concern for the Democratic base. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: on data centers and on pushback against AI generally and
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: on flot cameras, she has really separated herself. There was
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: a famous debate moment that Emily and I played on
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the show where all the Democratic contenders at that point
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: in the race were asked if they would support an
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: AI data center moratorium. She was the only one that
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: raised her hand.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: No. Crowley has explicitly actually defended the ability for localities
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to get data centers, which again I don't even know
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: why politically, that's why you would do so. Put B
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: nine up here because it kind of goes into that
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and and look, you know, I don't like Francesca Hang,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: you know, not my cup of tea on a variety
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of different levels. I do respect that she came from
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: an organizing background and that she was able to use
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: her organization to full the fill these No Kings protests
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like in Milwaukee, which are full of the most standard
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: mean if you ever been like or driven pass like,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: these are like old white Maybe I'm just speaking from
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: where I live, but the vast majority are old white boomers.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Now I think that are like Kamala Diehard. You know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: every single one of my neighbors who has No King
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: sign had a Kamala sign. Like. These are very traditional
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: kind of Democrats. And she had brought thousands of people
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to these No Kings protests and that really filled out
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and like made a connection with them. So I'm like, okay,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that's that is traditional grassroots political organizing. The question is
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: actually something I talked about yesterday with gubernatorial races. Gubernatorial
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: races are very different than national Like we were talking
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: about Obdol the fact that he lied about defund the police.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: No one's going to give a shit like in my opinion,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: because you know what, at the end, you know, Mike
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Rodgers has had some crazy stuff about the twenty twenty election.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: What it comes down to when you vote national, especially
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in the Senate. Are you going to vote to confirm
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a Trump justice. Are you going to vote to fund ice,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: are you going to vote, you know, to do These
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: are high stakes, massive votes your individual opinion, especially as
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a freshman senator. It basically doesn't matter. Oh, you're going
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: to introduce Medicare for all, that's cute, all right, we
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: all know this shit's not going to pass. Maybe you
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: know one day in the future. At the end of
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the day, the most consequential votes you will make are funding,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: no funding, impeach not impeach, I could go on forever.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Governor is very different, and this is where with Francesca Hong,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially like you're literally going to be in
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: charge of law enforcement budgets, Like you're going to be
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: administering the day to day of the actual state. Like
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: do you want a lady who's you know, literally diagnosed
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: bipolar to be running that? I mean, I'm not trying
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to come across prejudice, but it's a genuine question You're like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: this is somebody who's a diagnosed and admitted past of
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: mental illness, of bad judgment with tweets and comes across
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like frankly, very strange in a lot of these interviews. Now.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Having good political instincts nowadays, all right, you know it's possible,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but having that person run your state, people are much
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: more willing to buck the national politics at the state
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: level now today is very different, as you have well
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: pointed out. In the state of Virginia, you have a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: guy who is on his text message says, I want
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to what do you say, I want to murder Republican
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: children or something like the children and my Republican opponents.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: He literally said that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think he quite said that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I think I think it was like I don't remember,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: but there they were wild yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Here with no like he's like, I want to commit
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: homicide against my opponents. He won the election. I mean
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: he won a statewide that man is in charge of
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: my rights as a Virginian like that who is currently
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: running the state Attorney General's office and decides like prosecutions
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and stuff. He could he won, Like, so that's important
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: to say, right about what it could look like at
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: the state level. But there's enough evidence, like you know
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: how you know, we live here near Maryland. Maryland loves
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: to blue blue state Larry Hogan. Vermont had a Republican governor,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Massachusetts had a Republican governor. You know, these blue states
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: or a different they buck the national trend all the time.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I would say that she has
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: much a much less of a wind at her back
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: than any national candidate. If I'm a d who is
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: running in twenty twenty six, the best position I could
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: possibly be and is to run for Congress or run
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: for the United States Senate, because the stakes are so
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: high whenever it comes to impeachment and funding and all
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of the other issues that people are paying attention to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: in the day to day. Running the governor's mansion, you're negotiating,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: you know, property tax and you know this, whether this
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: factory is going to get built here, and that's super important,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, But it doesn't motivate people in
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the same way that we have seen, at least traditionally.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: It could be a very different moment. Yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and we'll also see how powerful the data center
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: politics are.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I already think we already know.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: She's you know, she's going to be very clearly different
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: from Tom Tiffany is that his name? Who is going
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: to be the Republican nominee. And I do think she's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: being underestimated a little bit. I've watched, you know, we
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: interviewed her. I've watched a lot of her interviews and
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: the way she communicates on the ground, et cetera. And
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: she has a very sort of unique style where she
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: is both seft spoken and also very confident. And so anyway,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I think and I do think that she obviously the
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Democratic base has found her to be very appealing and
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: very credible, so I don't think that that should be discounted.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: It is a major feat that one of her opponents,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: the one who dropped out of the race and was like,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: obviously it's going to be Francesca who wins. He was
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: a lieutenant governor of the state, right, Like, these are
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: not noble who she's up against. And yet according to
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: the polls, again, we'll see she's running away with it.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Let's go ahead, just to give you a little bit.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: More of a sense of her and her opponent, David Crowley.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Let's play a little bit of their bios here so
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: you can get a sense of both of them.
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: It's so stressful to get by these days, and I
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: know a lot about stress.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I work in restaurants. I started in.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: This kitchen fifteen years ago, and you might recognize what's
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: across the street.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: A lot of people in that building.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: Don't get why it's so hard to get by right now.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Working hard doesn't.
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: Mean you can always keep up.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: One wrong step can lay you off flat. This is
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: by design. Don't let anyone tell you we can't do this.
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: We can build a Wisconsin where we share the table.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: I'm Francesca Home, and I'm running for government because I
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: know that together we make better possible.
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: I didn't grow up in the halls of power.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Grew up here and here and here.
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: You victed three times as a kid, having to pick
• 52:05
  Speaker 10: up yourself and everything you own off the curve. It'll
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: break you or it'll make you. I'm David Crowley, and
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: I didn't want any child to go through that, so
• 52:17
  Speaker 10: I became a community organizer. I went on to serve
• 52:20
  Speaker 10: in the State Assembly, where I saw what happens when
• 52:23
  Speaker 10: extremists had total control. And I'd had enough, so at
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: thirty three, I returned home elected to lead the largest
• 52:30
  Speaker 10: county in Wisconsin, helping create thousands of new jobs, cutting
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: our carbon emissions in half, balancing the budget, all while
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: delivering the largest property tax cut in our history.
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: So to the single mom and No Claire looking for affordable, dependable.
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: Childcare, I hear you.
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: To the union worker in Sheboygan taking an extra shift
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: today to make the end of the month a little
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: bit easier. I see you to the dad and Plattville
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: working towards your degree after taking your kids, and good night.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: I am you.
• 53:02
  Speaker 10: I'm David Crowley, and I'm running to be governor for
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: all of us Wisconsin. Let's get to work.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Siger got excited when he said he lowered the property taxes.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm overright there, all of a sudden, I'm
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: all in for look being serious, I said as to
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you while I was playing. That's like an ad from
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: two thousand and two. It's crazy that I mean, look again,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: you have to take my advice whatever. But like that
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: is the most boring political adamt.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: It's clearly not worked so far.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: But all right, so let's move on for Wisconsin quickly
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: and take a look at Minnesota, which also has a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: marquee race on the ballot that's gotten a little bit
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: less attention. Put B three up on the screen. So
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: this is also for this is for senate. Open Senate seat.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: You've got Angie Craig, who is a current very moderate
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I guess you would say congresswoman, very corporate aligned, et cetera.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: And then you have Peggy Flanagan, who is the current
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Lieutenant governor, more of a lefty Medicare for All, not
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: directly DSA backed, but you know that type of candidate,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: and it has gone the lead. I think this one
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: is very close. The latest poll has Craig up by two.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: The one before that had Flanna gotten up by fourteen,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: but that was before there's been a new onslaught of
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: money that has come into this race. So I do
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: not think that Peggy Flanagan is going to win by
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: fourteen points. I think it's going to be very close,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: and I think it's a very difficult race. And you
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: know there's a lot Look, Minnesota has been ground zero
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: for a lot of things. Black lives matter, but that's
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, in I think in the past
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: in terms of the politics there on the dumb primary.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: But now you have the whole the fraud scandal, which
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: caused Tim Walls to say I Am not running for
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: reelection anymore. And Peggy flan again, obviously it is part
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: of that administration put before up on the screen. There's
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: been a lot of back and forth about who's to
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: blame for the welfare fraud scandal. It's really this is
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: really take Minnesota's image has really taken a hit over
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: this because part of what they were very proud of
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: in the state is Okay, we pay kind of high tax,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: but we have really good government, good you know, good services,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: well run, et cetera. And so this kind of strikes
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: to the heart of how people think about Minnesota. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: then obviously the other thing is, you know, Minnesota being
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: ground zero for ice and this is where Alex Pretty
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: and Renee Good were killed. Angie Craig is critical of
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: ice but doesn't want to abolish it. Peggy Flannagan does
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: want to abolish it. Anngie Craig has taken some bad
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: votes in terms of increasing ice funding and powers. So
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: these are some of the fault lines in this race.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: And obviously, like I said, Minnesota has really been a
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: powder keg on some of these issues in that part
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: why yeah.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Part of why there's a lot at steak here.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I would say, can we put the poles up on
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the screen.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we did, but you can put it back.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: But the latest pole has Angie Craig up by two,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: so very.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Very well, that's what I was saying. It's very tight,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and I actually do well. I mean it's type. But
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: also you have multiple flanning in ones previously which had
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: her up by like plus thirty, so who the fuck knows,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Like we have very small amount of likely voters which
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: are even sampled in front of this. I do think
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: that the fraud thing being in a scamp, I mean that,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you know, to loop it all together to our woke
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: one discussion, that's healthy. People should actually be like, hey,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you said X, Y and Z, you led to a
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: disaster for our state. It led to a bilking of
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the state treasury and becoming a national laughing stock in
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: front of the nation, like sorry, Like that's actually a
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: huge problem and people should be held accountable for that.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: So internal reckoning. Just like I'm saying, in terms of
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: these primaries, it is healthy and it is good. And
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I don't like Francesca. I think she needs to do
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more to you know, to
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: literally come out and to be like, yeah, that was ridiculous,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and all that I said, But it is
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: at least healthy to see some of these people be
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: held to account. I also think that Woke One was
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: crazy is probably now the leftmost that you're even going
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: to be allowed to go. Like she talked about the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Overton window, the over and windows shifted in my favor
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: now where I got zorin over here apologizing to cops,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: and so woke one was crazy. If that's you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: if they if they're at least gonna have to say
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: something like that or be held to account for it
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: in a moderate like by a debate or even internally
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in a primary. I do think that's healthy. I hope
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: to see more of that too in a future Republican primary,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to be asked about affirmative action for like bullshit anti semitism.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, if I ever get selected as a moderator,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll see some of that. So anyway, that's
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: what it's.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Called democracy, you know.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think it's healthy.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Like I said before, the fact that now the left
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: actually has is governing is winning has a chance at power.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I think it leads to a higher level of pragmatism
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: where it's not just you're not just posting online to
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: get like points for your radical sheikh. You know, you're
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: actually trying to put together a winning coalition and appeal
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: to voters and be able to win. And to me,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: that's a very positive development for the left. Although some
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: people in the you know, on the left are sort
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: of being dragged to that kicking ansiriment.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: It will be dead enders in any movement. I mean,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: if you read a history of leftism, having like disagreeable
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: my radicals is literally like, I mean, frankly like, that
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: is the history of leftism. Part of the reason I
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: don't
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: Y