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Amanda Hietter: From Rock Bottom to Redemption · Why I Believe

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of Why I Believe.
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  Today I have my good friend with me, Amanda Heater.
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  I just actually happened to have the pleasure of being with her last week in New Orleans at a National Speakers Association conference.
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  So good to see her in person.
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  We got really excited when we were jazzed about talking about this week's episode.
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  So, Amanda, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you.
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  Hey everybody, thank you Michelle for having me on your podcast.
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  I'm so excited to be here.
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  My name is Amanda Heater.
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  I am the CEO and founder of an amazing company called Across the Horizon Travel and we specialize in curating luxury travel experiences for people that want to travel.
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  Awesome.
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  And how do you take your travel and relate it to your faith?
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  gosh, that's a great question.
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  So I love working with kingdompreneurs.
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  when I, so to give you a little bit of a inside of what my niche is, because I do have a travel agency, so we do all kinds of travel, but God called me to a specific purpose in my
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  business.
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  And the Lord told me that I am supposed to focus on working with kingdompreneurs and help them grow the kingdom of God.
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  And you're probably saying, well, how do you do that, Amanda?
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  Well,
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  um I handle all the travel logistics for retreat leaders, which is like coaches, speakers, authors, business professionals, leaders in the church that want to put together retreats.
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  And I do all the logistics for them from finding the meeting spaces to getting the room blocks to transfers to flights to everything in between.
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  And then this allows the person that is the retreat leader that God has called to lead in this in this specific event to be able to fully focus
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  on the content that they're bringing to the attendees and obviously focus on getting booties and seats is what I call it.
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  So it allows them to have someone that's really handling all of the chaos in the background to kind of call myself a chaos coordinator because really that's what it is.
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  Logistics is usually chaos.
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  And so when I'm able to provide that service for them, it allows them to really focus on what God is calling them to do.
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  And I truly love.
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  this path that God has me on.
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  is so much fun.
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  I get to work with entrepreneurs and we both get to kind of just mastermind and brainstorm together.
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  I get to help them bring these ideas to life that they've had from God, the visions they've had.
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  And it is such a fun, amazing experience.
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  I love it.
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  That's awesome.
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  I love the booties and seats, right?
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  I mean, we all know what we're talking about here for all those are entrepreneurs, right?
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  ah This hasn't always been your path though, Amanda.
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  No.
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  You had some struggles, some trials, some tribulations.
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  I did, I did.
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  um Okay, so we can go all the way back.
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  Let's just kind of give like a bird's eye view story of my life, if you're okay with that, Michelle.
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  All right, so when I was born, I was born into a family that really loved the Lord.
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  So I grew up in church and that was the daily thing.
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  Every Sunday, twice a day we'd go to church.
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  Wednesday nights was youth group.
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  So I was very heavily involved, sing in the choir.
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  He sang a lot on the praise teams and things like that.
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  So in my teenage years I started falling away from Christ because I got into the wrong crowd.
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  And then at the age of 17 I got pregnant.
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  And that was a big no-no because at that time my dad was actually the worship leader of a church.
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  So he was the leader and here was his daughter just this lost sheep that has fallen so far away from God they got pregnant.
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  And so I had my daughter.
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  The man that I was with at the time was a very toxic person and he did not stay in our lives for very long.
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  So me um having this struggle that I've always had because I was actually sexually abused at a very young age as well, I've always struggled with my identity and who I was.
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  And so I started placing my identity in men.
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  And so once that relationship ended, I was searching for someone else to fill in that void and that gap that I was feeling, which obviously the void was God, but I did not.
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  put those two together.
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  So I found another man that would be the father of my daughter.
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  was desperate to have a father figure in her life.
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  my daughter was about a year and a half at that time.
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  And he came in and I thought he was gonna be our savior.
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  And very quickly on, there was a lot of drinking.
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  There was uh just a lot of partying.
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  We would go out every single weekend.
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  And then the drinking would progress into aggression where we'd have arguments after having lots of alcohol.
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  And then that slowly progressed into physical violence.
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  There was many times that the cops were called to our house and Child Protective Services got involved a few different times.
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  Thank the Lord.
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  I did not lose my daughter.
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  But during all of this, after about two years into our relationship, I got pregnant again and I had my son Brayden and I thought, OK, well, this is going to be what's going to kind
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  of change our relationship.
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  Everything's going to shift.
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  Well, that's false.
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  And during this time, my family, my parents, my dad moved over to another country.
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  So I was without any family.
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  had no church community because I wasn't going to church.
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  I didn't have all my friends.
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  I had moved away from them because we had moved further south during this time frame.
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  And so I didn't have anyone to turn to.
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  And so the abuse really started to escalate because I had nowhere else to turn and nothing, didn't know what to do with my life.
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  So when my son was about a year and a half, I decided I needed to escape because I was like, I gotta get away from this.
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  This is so unhealthy.
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  I don't want my son to see this.
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  So I moved to a different state to get away from him.
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  But of course he followed and I let him back into my life because I was still struggling with this identity of not really understanding that God should be first.
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  That's where my identity is in.
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  I always thought I was in a man and I was desperate.
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  again for having a father figure in my kids' lives.
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  So I let him back into my life.
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  There was obviously the cops were called multiple times because we both hadn't changed.
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  We were still drinking.
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  We were still partying.
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  I was in my 20s.
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  I wasn't thinking clearly.
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  And at one point in time, I actually ended up going to jail because of the cops being called to the home.
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  They saw that I was the one at fault because he had a scratch on his neck and he said that I was the one that caused it.
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  So I spent a night in jail.
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  And you would have thought that that would have been the time where I would have said, okay, things have got to change.
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  No, I went right back to that circle.
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  No ma'am, it was not.
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  Yes.
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  girl, I had not hit bottom yet.
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  There's still a long way to go.
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  I think I had bottom many times, but I was just more in this survival mode of like,
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  I just gotta get through this next day.
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  I gotta get through this next day.
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  I was also in college, so I was trying to get my associate's degree during that time, so I thought, okay, once I get that, my life is gonna get better.
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  No.
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  So, this was back in like 2013.
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  I was getting ready to graduate with my associate's degree.
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  My parents actually had moved back into the States, and I've always been someone that loves to be close to family.
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  My family is very, very tight knit.
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  We even have like a group chat where we constantly communicate with each other.
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  We are that close of a family.
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  And so when I found out they were moving and I was living in Illinois at the time and they were moving to Georgia, I was like, all right, one, I'm a beach girl.
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  So I was like, OK, that was like a huge draw.
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  I could be closer to Florida.
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  And two, I had to get out of this extremely abusive situation.
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  It was continuing to escalate to the point where I thought if I anger him enough accidentally,
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  he could kill me or hurt one of my children.
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  And I did not want that to happen.
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  So I decided I was gonna move to Georgia.
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  So after I graduated with my degree, packed up my stuff, escaped away from my abuser and moved in with my parents.
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  Six months into that, I met the next man that came into my life.
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  And I was like, okay, third time is a charm.
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  This guy is so good.
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  He had three kids of his own.
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  He came in and just loved my children so much.
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  My kids loved him.
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  And then six months after I met him, so this was about a year after being in Georgia, I moved in with him.
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  And that's where things started to escalate.
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  There was a lot of cheating on his end that happened where there was infidelity.
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  Now, mind you, we were not married.
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  So I don't really want to call it infidelity because we weren't married.
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  We were doing things incorrectly.
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  And then drugs started coming into the home.
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  It started out with marijuana and then it progressed to cocaine and then for him it progressed all the way to methamphetamine.
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  So he was a regular user of meth.
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  And during this time, I was back in school working to get my bachelor's degree in legal studies because I had thought I was gonna go off to school to be an attorney at some point
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  in my life because I loved that industry at that time.
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  And he was also working as a mechanic and he had his own shop.
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  So we were doing pretty well.
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  But as the kids got older, more expenses come, right?
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  And so we weren't making enough.
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  So he had this thought process of, right, we're going to start selling drugs out of our home.
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  So we started selling marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, pills, whatever he'd get his hands on.
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  So there was people in and out of our house all the time that were not very good people.
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  And I think back to myself because there was many times where I remember I would have to bag up a bag of cocaine or I would have to weigh all of these things and make the sale
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  myself.
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  My kids would be in the house.
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  I'd be by myself as a woman in the house having these men coming in to buy these drugs from us.
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  And I'm like, I could have been shot.
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  I could have been, you know, just so many things could have happened.
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  I have been raped, I don't know, but God had his hand over me and protected me through all of this.
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  Now moving forward, this was back in 2021.
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  So I met him in 2013.
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  So this was almost, this was like eight years of like this drug addiction and just like this very disgusting life I was living.
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  And COVID hit our home.
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  We were not able to really work during this time.
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  It started with my son, then my daughter got it, then I got it, then my now ex-husband got it.
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  And we, so it was just two months in our home.
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  And so we weren't working and bills were piling up.
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  Also, we were both addicted to drugs.
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  So when you are an addict, the first thing you think about is I gotta have my fix.
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  So that becomes priority.
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  That of course, second priority is making sure there's food in the house and that your power's on, your water's on, rent comes last, right?
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  So we got very far behind in paying our rent.
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  And next thing I know, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, you're being served.
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  Here's an eviction notice.
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  I had no idea what I was going to do.
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  At this point in time in my life, I left this out.
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  My parents had actually migrated back up to the Midwest.
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  They had told me later on during this time that why they left was because I was such an addict, they said they couldn't be around me anymore.
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  It was just too hard for them as parents, which I understand now is, you know, being a parent, I couldn't even imagine.
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  having one of my children be an addict the way I was.
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  So they had moved away.
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  All of my family had moved back up to the Midwest.
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  And so I was down there alone.
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  And so I had two options.
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  And this is where we're getting to the rock bottom part of my life.
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  I could either move in with my husband's mother.
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  She lived in the inner city of Atlanta.
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  She had no central heating or air conditioning and her house was roach infested.
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  That meant my son would be going to an inner city school in Atlanta.
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  not a good place to go.
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  My daughter at this point in time was already off at college so she was doing her own thing.
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  And then my other option was reach out to my parents and say, hey, um can I move in with you?
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  So that's what I did because I was like, that is the better option.
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  We would have a better place to live.
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  And they said, sure, but there's going to be rules.
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  because I'd already lived with them multiple times throughout my life and didn't really follow any rules and just was all over the place doing whatever I wanted to do.
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  they're like, no, this is rules need to be laid down.
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  You got to get your life right.
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  The rules consisted of no staying out past 12 midnight.
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  I couldn't I couldn't spend the night anywhere.
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  I had to get a full time job.
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  I had to go to church every Sunday.
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  no marijuana was allowed.
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  Like there was it was a long list of rules.
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  I had to sign this contract.
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  So I remember packing up all my stuff.
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  I was so angry because at this time I was almost 40 years old and I was like, this is ridiculous.
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  I'm being treated like a 12 year old and I have to follow these rules.
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  But what what other option do I have?
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  So driving up to Missouri from Georgia, I remember just bawling my eyes out.
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  Clenching that steering wheel and just crying out to God why God why and in the background I kept playing this song over and over and over again by casting crowns praise you in this
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  storm and I would just cry out to God like I'm gonna continue to praise you I had fallen so far away from him, but God Comes in and reaches you and will pick you up when you're at
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  that bottom point of your life.
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  I'd hit rock bottom
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  And God was wrapping his arms around me and telling me, even though I didn't want to hear it, I have a plan for you and things are about to change.
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  And that was that moment in my life where I hit that rock bottom and where my life really started to change for the better.
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  Was your son with you at this moment and how old was he when you were driving back to your parents?
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  So he was 13 and he actually kind of bounced around because we had my mom was driving her vehicle, my dad was driving the U-Haul, I was driving my vehicle.
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  So during this time where I was bawling my eyes out, obviously being a mother, we try to be strong.
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  So this was not when he was in the vehicle with me because I did not want him to see me breaking down.
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  But this was later on, like when we were almost to my parents house driving on these country roads and I was just like,
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  I am about to move somewhere I don't want to be.
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  And here I am just in this place where I have literally hit rock bottom.
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  I have to depend on my parents.
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  I had no money in my bank account.
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  I had nothing.
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  So I had to lean on them heavily to take care of me.
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  And I felt like a kid all over again.
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  It was hard.
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  Yeah, did you end up going to rehab or how did you get clean?
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  mean, because that's got to be a tough transition.
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  So I did not go to rehab.
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  I really wish my parents would have given me that option, but that option was not provided to me.
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  And being an addict, you watch shows, you watch movies, you see things on TV and you see people go to rehab.
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  But when you're in that moment, you don't think that you're an addict, right?
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  You're like, I'm not an addict.
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  I'm not addicted.
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  Well, I tell you what, uh what I experienced because I moved right before Thanksgiving.
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  That's a tough time to move because then Thanksgiving came and we're trying to celebrate and I left my husband and I was angry.
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  So I ended up just drinking like ridiculous amounts of alcohol and I was so angry at my family.
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  I remember the food like didn't taste right.
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  I couldn't sleep.
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  I had to take my mom's sleeping pills to sleep because when you're addicted to marijuana, that's what helps you sleep.
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  And when you just cut that off cold turkey, it is so hard.
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  I really didn't eat that much.
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  I was very angry.
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  I had mood swings.
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  I was sweating.
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  I was going through that detoxification of my body.
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  And it was hard.
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  But God got me through it.
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  I love that you are just so much like, I need you.
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  I don't know how it's going to happen, but I need something to move me forward.
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  And I think it's so important that when you finally surrender that you fully surrender because I think I do a daily surrender devotional that I do.
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  And one of the things that they talk about is that it's like, we reach out to God for help, but we try to tell him how to help us.
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  right.
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  So they equate it to like going to the doctor because you're sick and then telling the doctor how to cure you.
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  Right?
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  Like you went to the doctor because that's what their strength is.
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  Right?
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  They've studied this.
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  They know how to do it.
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  But yet with God, we go, Hey God, I need help with X, Y, Z.
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  Thanks.
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  Instead of like, you know, God, where, where am I supposed to be?
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  What is your will?
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  How do I move forward in this?
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  And now that we're in the Lenten season, a prayer that keeps coming up is
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  Empty me, fill me, and use me.
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  Mmm, that's good.
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  Yeah, and I just, I love it.
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  Empty me, fill me, and use me.
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  Because he did have something better planned for you.
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  You just had to be open to see it.
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  So when did you finally make that decision?
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  Because you grew up a Christian, then when you came back to the house, you had to go to church.
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  When did you finally make that decision for yourself?
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  So I don't actually have a pinpointed time of when that rededication of my life to God actually happened because it was a very slow process.
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  I was obviously just very upset and very resistant to all of these rules.
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  My parents went to a church that, don't take this wrong for anybody that's listening to this podcast, but it was full of people that were, I would say 20, 30 years senior to my
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  age.
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  Most of the people were older.
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  There was a few people around my age, but I was literally the only single person in the church.
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  I think there was one other person that was single besides me.
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  It was a very small church, so was very resistant.
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  So at first, I just, remember sitting in Sunday school class, and for any of you that are like seeing this live, I'll kind of try to like explain it to you, but I had my arms
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  crossed, a scowl on my face, and I was like slumping in my seat, just.
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  Frustrated as could be like I don't want to be in the Sunday school class Why am I here in church people would try to talk to me and I would just write I don't talk to you and It
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  was just a very slow Slow progression of me coming back to the Lord.
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  My mom gave me a devotional I can't even remember I think it was John it was the study of John which everybody loves the Gospels They're great to dive into and so I started really
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  diving into the Bible.
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  I made it a point to pray
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  On my way to work every day I had a long commute and I was like instead of just like driving in silence why not like cry out to God and ask for his help?
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  And it really put me in a different state and slowly yet surely I started seeing the little tiny miracles happen in my life where my son came to Christ.
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  He accepted the Lord into his life and was baptized while I was living with my parents.
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  Then I started to be able to travel more with my kids.
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  I took my kids on a trip to Mexico.
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  was their first real international trip that we took.
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  And it was so much fun being together as a family.
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  My business grew and all of these things, these little miracles really just started to open my eyes to the fact that God truly loved me.
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  I was like that lost sheep in the parable of Luke 15 where the shepherd had a hundred sheep.
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  He would take them out into the fields and bring them back and he would count them.
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  And when he counted one night and saw that he only had 99, he left those 99 to go retrieve that one lost sheep.
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  And that one lost sheep was me.
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  And God kept coming back to me over and over again when I would start to drift away, oh, you need to come back.
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  And now I can say that I have such a close relationship with him that any time any miracle happens or just any connection that God provides in my life, I know it's him and I give
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  him all of the glory.
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  It's not me.
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  It's not me being able to share this story.
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  This story was, you know, obviously I made the wrong decisions to have this story to be able to share, but now God is using me for the good of his glory.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I think, you know, some people might feel like they're not worthy, right?
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  I mean, I think I struggled with that too.
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  You're not worthy to be called by God, right?
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  To be called by Jesus.
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  But I think your story just goes to show like, we're all sinners and we're all forgiven.
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  We just have to ask for that relationship.
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  We have to be willing to lay it all out there.
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  And so like, please help me.
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  I'm lost.
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  Right?
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  And I think when we do that, we can develop that relationship, but we have to ask for it.
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  He's always there.
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  We just have to be, and then when we ask, we have to be ready.
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  Open arms, open mind, open heart.
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  Mm-hmm a hundred percent.
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  I love that you're saying that we always have to be ready and someone said to me one time and it's I love just like picturing this in my mind that Anytime that we ask for something
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  like for instance, we're asking for our business to grow.
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  I'm a business owner You know, that's one thing I pray for every day.
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  We can't just sit back and go.
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  Okay, Help me grow my business.
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  I'm gonna stay here.
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  Wait.
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  No doesn't work like that.
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  We have to work in partnership with God
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  And we also have to be willing to step out in faith.
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  And I always picture this in my mind when I'm stepping out in faith.
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  That God has put a door in front of me, there's a doorknob there, and the amazingness is behind it.
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  But I have to turn that doorknob, push that door open, and step through that door.
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  That is my responsibility.
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  I can't just say, okay, God, just bring the people to me to sit here in my office all day and hope that someone's gonna walk through my office door and...
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  Be like, all right, here's the blessings you've been praying for.
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  It doesn't work like that.
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  I have to do my part.
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  I mean, it could work like that, but we still have to do our part.
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  right, exactly, exactly.
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  But I think he puts people in our path for a reason.
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  Right?
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  So we make those choices.
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  We pray about those choices.
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  Do we go to this thing?
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  Do we do this?
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  Where do I need help?
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  What am I not seeing?
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  Right?
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  And I think when we...
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  The key is not only being ready, but then listening.
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  Yeah.
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  We are, and you know I say this so many times, we are so busy at being busy that we don't have time for ourselves to let ourselves think and to hear.
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  When do you stop and take that time to actually, because you can ask, and you can pray, and you can do all the things, but if he starts talking and you're not listening, you're
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  going to miss it.
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  You're gonna miss it.
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  I love that.
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  And here's what I tip that give to any of you that maybe you're trying to hear what God is trying to tell you.
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  For me, the times that God talks to me is when I slow down.
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  And when I slow down is when I'm laying down in bed and I'm laying there getting ready to fall asleep, right?
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  That's for most of us.
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  And I notice a lot of thoughts start going through my brain before I fall asleep.
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  So I have learned and a lot of my great ideas or just thoughts or things that God is calling me to do, they come to my mind during that time.
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  So I've kept a notebook down on the floor of my bed where I can just flip on the light, pick that up off the floor and I write the notes of what God is telling me.
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  And it's so cool because one of the ideas that came to my head now is fully in fruition, actually a few of them too that I can think of right now is a retreat that God has called
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  me to do.
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  He had called me many years ago, but now it's actually fully coming into fruition.
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  And so I answered that call and doing the things and, you know, doing the work to create this experience.
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  And then another one is this Bible study group that started this past week that's for entrepreneurs.
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  And we are talking about we're going through the Book of Acts and we're just discussing each chapter, reading through one chapter a week.
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  And it has been such a blessing.
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  And if I would not have had my notebook sitting there next to me.
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  A lot of people think, I'm gonna remember that in the morning.
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  No, you probably won't.
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  So you need to write it down so that you can open that back up and be like, yeah, that's amazing.
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  All right, let me add that to my list, to-do list, and let's make this happen.
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  Let's move the steps forward and make sure that we're following what God is calling us to do.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  I love that.
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  Yeah, I don't have a notebook by my bed, but I have my phone and I have the notes app and I actually just looked at it the other day.
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  But when I got the call to do this podcast was 415 a.m.
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  on Christmas morning, 2025.
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  And I wrote all the notes down.
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  I woke up from a dead sleep and I wrote all my notes on my phone because I'm like, A, it's 415 in the morning.
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  B, I'm like,
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  Is this a dream?
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  And it wasn't really a dream because I went back and there's the notes right there, playing his day, telling me exactly what to do and how to do it.
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  uh
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  amazing.
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  Yes, 100%.
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  Alright Amanda, I started asking people this question, I didn't get all of my guests but I'm trying to remember to do everybody so what is your favorite Bible verse?
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  Ooh, yes, and actually I have it pulled up on my phone right now.
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  So my favorite Bible verse, and I actually referenced it earlier today, is Romans 8.28.
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  So I'm gonna read that from the NIV version.
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  And we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him who have been called according to his purpose.
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  So I remember asking God for so many, many, many years of my life, why did this happen to me?
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  Why did this happen to me?
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  All this abuse, addiction, divorce, teen pregnancy, et cetera, et cetera.
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  And God told me through that Bible verse, the first time I actually really read that verse, and God spoke to me and said, this is why.
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  Now you have a story to share with others, to inspire others, to give hope to others that maybe are in that deep dark valley that I have, the many dark valleys I was in.
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  And now I can share that and I can also help women find their identity in Christ.
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  I can also guide women to be able to write their story and create it as to be their testimony, to share what God has done in their life.
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  And then the good news that Jesus died on the cross and rose again for our sins.
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  And as long as we believe that we can be in heaven with him for eternity.
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  And that just really just hit me hard.
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  I was like, that is my verse.
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  That is my verse.
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  And I love it because God speaks to us in so many ways.
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  It's a living, living book.
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  And it is it's amazing how different verses can hit you at different times.
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  But that's my verse at this moment in my life.
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  Yeah, I love that.
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  That's so good.
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  Yeah, definitely fitting, right?
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  And I think there's so many people who feel like they're not worthier.
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  Why me?
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  Or why is this happening in our world, even like today as we look at what's going on in the world?
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  The answer is why, and we don't know why, right?
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  But it's not for us to know, it's for us to trust and for us to love and for us to continue to be faithful.
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  And the plan will eventually show itself.
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  but there is strength that comes out of the struggles, right?
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  100%.
• 28:14
  Well, I mean, it has been so nice talking to you today.
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  I'm sure at some point we're have to do part two.
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  There was so much there.
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  We didn't have time to unpack it all, but I really wanna thank you for just laying it all out there for everybody.
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  mean, there's stuff today that I learned about you that I didn't know about you and I've known you for a few years now.
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  And so really being vulnerable and just sharing your story and...
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  knowing that somebody's going to probably judge you and that's okay because at the end of the day their judgment doesn't matter, right?
• 28:43
  So thank you so much Amanda for being here.
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  I truly appreciate it.
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  you so much for having me.
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  I'm so grateful that you have me on your show.
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  I really appreciate it.
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  Alright man, have a great day.
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  Thank you, you too.