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JFK Book Reviews - The Assassination Tapes · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: It's up. Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome into JFK Book Reviews, a division of the Lone
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  Speaker 2: Gum and Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Rob Clark.
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  Speaker 2: He is Joe Borelli, and together we've got a fantastic
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  Speaker 2: book review for you today.
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  Speaker 1: Today.
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  Speaker 2: The book we shall be reviewing is called The Assassination
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  Speaker 2: Tapes by George O'Toole, an electronic probe into the John F.
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  Speaker 2: Into the Murder of John F. Kennedy and the Dallas
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  Speaker 2: cover up. Now you can see this. It's a little
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  Speaker 2: slim thick. Joe, ain't much to it. My cover is
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  Speaker 2: falling apart, as you can see, a very well loved
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  Speaker 2: and used copy that I got many moons ago for
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  Speaker 2: the low price of.
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  Speaker 3: Fourteen ninety five. Yes, well, we'll get into prices here
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  Speaker 3: in a second.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, this Casluda is Georgia O'Toole. He's the
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  Speaker 2: guy that wrote the book. We'll get more into him
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  Speaker 2: in a little bit here. But Joe, if you can
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  Speaker 2: just give us the nuts and bolts here about this book?
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  Speaker 1: When? Where, who? Why?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: In the sam hell? This thing is sure so.
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  Speaker 3: It clocks in at just over two hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: five pages. It was published on in nineteen seventy five
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  Speaker 3: by Penthouse Press Publishing. And yes, if you're wondering, as
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  Speaker 3: Robin for me before the show that Penthouse.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, one of the show's lady parts.
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  Speaker 3: Of course Amazon you can get it. There's actually new
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  Speaker 3: copies so available, rob if you want to upgrade, but
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  Speaker 3: it will cost you pretty penny one oh six point fifty.
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  Speaker 3: But the used and in good acceptable conditions on Amazon,
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  Speaker 3: and there's about a dozen of them, if I remember correctly,
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  Speaker 3: are about eleven twelve dollars and about the same on
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  Speaker 3: eBay and a books. So. George ol'tool is a former
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  Speaker 3: computer specialist who served with the Central Intelligence Agency as
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  Speaker 3: chief of its Problem Analysis branch. Born in New York
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  Speaker 3: City in nineteen thirty six, he studied mathematics at Iona College.
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  Speaker 3: I went to Iona Grammar School on College and later
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  Speaker 3: worked in the Space program. While with the CIA, he
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  Speaker 3: specialized in using information process and technology to solve problems
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  Speaker 3: in intelligent and intelligence analysis. His articles on espionage and
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  Speaker 3: intelligence have appeared in such diverse places as The New
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  Speaker 3: Republic and Soccer Penthouse. His first novel, was An Agent
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  Speaker 3: on the Other Side, was published in nineteen seventy three.
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  Speaker 3: So there are thirteen pages, thirteen pages, thirteen chapters in
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  Speaker 3: this book with an appendix, a notes section, an index,
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  Speaker 3: and then at the last end of the book they
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  Speaker 3: have the psee charts and Rob will tell you a
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  Speaker 3: little more about what that is. And Rob I would
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  Speaker 3: say this book has a scientific conspiratorial lead.
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  Speaker 1: That it does, Joe, that it does.
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  Speaker 2: So what's interesting to me about this book is it
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  Speaker 2: came out at a weird time in JFK.
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  Speaker 1: Research Church Committee.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it came about nineteen seventy five, so he had
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  Speaker 2: to be starting to write it and do all his
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  Speaker 2: testing and everything before that. So likely that you know,
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  Speaker 2: this Church committee and the agency and stuff wasn't on
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  Speaker 2: his radar. You know, he's what we call a second
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  Speaker 2: generation researcher. And you know this is some ten years
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  Speaker 2: after the assassination, when you know, kind of interests, after
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  Speaker 2: the whole Garrison things started weighing off a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And but you know, this guy was in a unique position.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he worked for the CIA, right and developed
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  Speaker 2: this kind of software, if you will, and these early computers.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things is you know how lie.
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  Speaker 2: Detector test, like when you get looked up to one,
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  Speaker 2: there's lots of different indicators that it uses, mainly your
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  Speaker 2: body response, your sweat, glands, involuntary muscles, twitches, pulse, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: your pulse, things like that to indicate that you're lying
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  Speaker 2: right or at least worried in some form or fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Now we all know that light detectors are not admissible
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  Speaker 2: in court.
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  Speaker 1: They're merely they serve two purposes.
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  Speaker 2: One purpose is to scare the shit out of the
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  Speaker 2: person you're trapping into the light detector test, right, because
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  Speaker 2: nine times out of ten they're gonna think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: even though this isn't admissible, the test is legit and
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna know if I'm lying type of thing. And
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  Speaker 2: the second purpose is the investigators who are utilizing.
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  Speaker 1: The test, the light detector test, it.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of gives them an idea about what to focus on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of how the subject answered certain questions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say if you then like some type of
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  Speaker 3: of like leverage right over the person, right.
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  Speaker 1: Like we talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Bull Frasier the other night on the show, and supposedly
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  Speaker 2: he took a lie detector test and passed it, so
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  Speaker 2: they just magically dropped the charges, right because he passed a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of detector tests.
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  Speaker 2: Now, credibly, it probably wouldn't just drop all the charges
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  Speaker 2: on somebody because they passed.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of detector test.
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  Speaker 2: I don't maybe back in sixty three that they were
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  Speaker 2: legit in the courtroom, I don't know, and at some
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  Speaker 2: point that they may have been ruled inadmissible. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure on that. But it's tenuous technology
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  Speaker 2: at best. Now, if you're working for the CIA, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: and you create a machine that will tell you, due
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  Speaker 2: to their voice stress analysis, whether or not somebody is
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  Speaker 2: lying just from hearing them talk, that is a very
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  Speaker 2: valuable tool, you know, Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is.
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  Speaker 2: With the ps E it's called the Psychological Stress Evaluator,
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  Speaker 2: is that it's almost too much of an invasion of
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  Speaker 2: privacy because you don't have to give your consent to
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  Speaker 2: be analyzed, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So what they can.
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  Speaker 2: Do with it is they can have you as a
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  Speaker 2: live subject in a room with this machine, right, and
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  Speaker 2: that's going to give them the best results because you
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  Speaker 2: have the person and live right there talking and answering
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  Speaker 2: questions hooked up to the machine.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The second way they can do it is by analyzing
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  Speaker 2: prior voice recordings, right, Okay, Now o'tool admits that doing
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  Speaker 2: it that way that the results aren't as good. Right,
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  Speaker 2: There's a third way of doing it, and that's over
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  Speaker 2: the phone.
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  Speaker 3: Which is probably the effective.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but again you don't have to you know, like
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  Speaker 2: if I'm on the phone with you and i'm you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I've got the machine set up here and I'm
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  Speaker 2: recording you and I'm analyzing your voice stressed analysis while
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking to you, but I don't tell you. That's
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of messed up. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: even have laws now. Just recording you without me telling
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  Speaker 2: you sometimes against the law in certain states, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely very white state.
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  Speaker 2: And you know the implications of the uses of this machine,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like a a husband could use it against
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  Speaker 2: a wife.
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  Speaker 1: A wife could use it.
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  Speaker 2: Against a husband or a girlfriend, boyfriend, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like Joe, are you looking at that chicken church again
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  Speaker 2: and you get your voice stress analyzed and you know
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  Speaker 2: it could just blow up.
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  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. It's been a bad thing,
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  Speaker 1: bad analogy.
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  Speaker 3: As our prediscussion indicated, I would fail that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can see how this type of technology,
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  Speaker 2: while it would be really beneficial to the CIA to
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  Speaker 2: use it for covert purposes. Not really good for legal
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  Speaker 2: things or just you know, public things, social things. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if people started it's almost like, you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: could read somebody's mind, you know what I mean with that,
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  Speaker 2: and without telling him.
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  Speaker 1: It's just messed up.
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  Speaker 2: So that that's the whole thing behind this voice stress
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  Speaker 2: analysis for the psychological stress evaluator. Now, O'Toole thought it
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  Speaker 2: would be a good idea to evaluate some of the
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  Speaker 2: statements made by certain people surrounding the Kennedy assassination. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of them are from recordings. Like you know, of
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  Speaker 2: course Oswald is dead, Okay, he's been dead, but we
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  Speaker 2: do have him on tape saying some things, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for example, I I didn't shoot anybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a patsy. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of just about everything Oswald said in
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  Speaker 2: custody that was taped. He runs through the psychological stress evaluator, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, he determines that Oswald was telling the
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  Speaker 2: truth in most instances, you know, at least according to
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  Speaker 2: his voice stressed analysis. Now, if you go back and
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  Speaker 2: you listen to a lot of Oswald's statements that he
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  Speaker 2: did make while in custody. You know, you can tell
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  Speaker 2: that he's kind of calm, he's kind of resolved, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the way that he's speaking, you know, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been informed of that. I would like some
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  Speaker 2: form of representation, and no, they have not told me that,
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  Speaker 2: you know type of thing. You know, he goes back
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  Speaker 2: and applies it to things. He also applies it to
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  Speaker 2: statements by the DPD that they were making to the public,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like Jesse Curry and Will Fritz and Henry Wade,
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  Speaker 2: different witnesses like Howard Brennan and uh.
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  Speaker 1: Uh oh, what's that guy j C. Damn.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember his name now, but he was one
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  Speaker 2: of the guys up on the overpass.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the railroad workers. Yeah, I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: his name.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, you know a lot of different people like that, Marina. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: there's one in particular, of course, that we are going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about on this week's coming up members
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  Speaker 2: only show, which is going to be a part two
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  Speaker 2: to our Fraser show. And he dedicated an entire chapter.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, did I just lose it?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's chapter eleven Finding Fraser my belief.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that is it. But yeah, he uh out of
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  Speaker 1: all the people that he tested.
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  Speaker 2: He dedicated an entire I can get in on here right,
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  Speaker 2: a chapter to Finding Fraser.
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  Speaker 1: Where this goes through his epic.
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  Speaker 2: Journey to try to get a hold and interview Buel
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  Speaker 2: Fraser in the early seventies, which was not an easy task,
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  Speaker 2: and it was also not an easy task for the
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  Speaker 2: HSCA to track him down either and agree to be
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  Speaker 2: interviewed in the late seventies. The question is why, Well,
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  Speaker 2: spoiler alert, he eventually does track him down, he eventually
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  Speaker 2: does interview him. But you know, Fraser also made some
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  Speaker 2: early statements that were on tape as well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with these little news outlets and things like that, and
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  Speaker 2: he was able to analyze a lot of what Fraser says,
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  Speaker 2: and it's very interesting the results.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Joe was alluding to what the tapes look like.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. Here's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: This is Lee Harvey Oswald denies he is the assassin
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  Speaker 2: of President Kennedy.
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  Speaker 3: A little higher there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just reading the top here for context, and
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  Speaker 2: if you go through you can see how the program shows,
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  Speaker 2: you know, peaks and valleys. Right, he says the reporter
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  Speaker 2: did you shoot the president? And he says, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: shoot anybody, no sir. The p SE chart of Oswald's
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  Speaker 2: statement reveals no stress. Light detection experts have confirmed that
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  Speaker 2: Oswald was telling the truth. So this is what a
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  Speaker 2: truthful p S should look like, apparently, even though it
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  Speaker 2: kind of looks like it's all over the place to
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  Speaker 2: me and my naked eye at my penhouse. Ok Now,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna look at what one looks like under hard stress.
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  Speaker 2: And this is from Howard Brennan, where an eyewitness identifies
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  Speaker 2: Oswald as the assassin. Okay, so Brennan, this man, the
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  Speaker 2: same man I had saw prior to the president's arrival,
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  Speaker 2: was in the window and taking aim for his last shot.
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  Speaker 2: Howard Brennan was unable to identify Oswald as the assassin. However,
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  Speaker 2: months later he told the Warrant Commission the gumpan he
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  Speaker 2: saw was Oswald. The ps chart of Brennan's statement reveals
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  Speaker 2: hard stress. So you can see how there's a kind
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  Speaker 2: of a big difference between what the charts look like
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  Speaker 2: for hard stress and no stress. Joe, Yeah, you see
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  Speaker 2: there are parts of this where it dips way low
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  Speaker 2: for a lot longer and then goes way way up
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  Speaker 2: for a lot longer and creates these mountains and valleys,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, instead of a more chaotic looking element.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the book and a heartbeat, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's a tool, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: And it was one of these things where, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: put out as a here's what I got, you debunk
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  Speaker 2: me if you can type of type of book where
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  Speaker 2: it examines some of the electronic evidence that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people never thought to do before. Right, And of
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  Speaker 2: course you can put as much belief in the PSC
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  Speaker 2: machine as you want to. I mean, is it, is
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  Speaker 2: it an accurate thing? Is it? Does it hold up
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  Speaker 2: to scientific scrutiny? And I'm sure here now some fifth
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  Speaker 2: years later, if they had this back in the seventies,
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  Speaker 2: you can imagine what the CIA's got now, bro, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or the NSSA or anybody like that. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: scary proposition, you know, to think if somebody just by
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  Speaker 2: hearing your voice can tell whether or not you're telling
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  Speaker 2: the truth or not. I mean, that's that's crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it was kind of received in a
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  Speaker 2: weird way. And in nineteen seventy five, it was like
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  Speaker 2: when the book came out, it was almost like you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was on the cutting edge of technology, and people
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  Speaker 2: put a lot of faith in it and their findings.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, the book was partially because he went
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  Speaker 2: on this whirlwing book tour and was doing speeches everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: and it did factor into, you know, the creation of
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  Speaker 2: the House Committee on Assassinations. It definitely helped the cause,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, to push for another investigation. So with
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  Speaker 2: that being said, Joe, let us know what you thought
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  Speaker 2: about it, and now come and tie it up.
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  Speaker 1: At the end. Yeah. So I.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoyed this book. I thought it was very original, and
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  Speaker 3: when you think that it came out over fifty years ago,
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  Speaker 3: it's a very you know, unique type of book, especially
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  Speaker 3: for that time. Like you mentioned now, the last part
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  Speaker 3: of the book talks about or the appendix talks about
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  Speaker 3: the Kubis study. Does the p S work? And the
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  Speaker 3: Kubis study tigned to look out, I didn't noly do.
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  Speaker 1: What the whole that was is.
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  Speaker 3: A key scientific evaluation of the psychological stress evaluator, so
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  Speaker 3: kind of like a like a test, if you will,
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  Speaker 3: and they compare it to the polygraph. And this test
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  Speaker 3: was conducted by psychologist Joseph F. Coubis of Fordham University
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  Speaker 3: shout Up to the Bronx under a US Army Landfare
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  Speaker 3: Land Warfare Laboratory contract, and the study tested whether the
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  Speaker 3: voice stress and analyzers, specifically the PSC could reliably detect deception,
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  Speaker 3: and it did not test well against the polygraph. But
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  Speaker 3: but it also relied on these random people skufuzas pretending
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  Speaker 3: they're the thief, pretending they're the cop, or whatever role
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  Speaker 3: they had playing. So it wasn't really under much psychological stress,
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  Speaker 3: if you will, right, because they're kind of playing a game,
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  Speaker 3: if you will right, They're playing a role.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of people that are against the PS
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  Speaker 4: and Kubis study or the Kubas study will say the
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  Speaker 4: PS isn't as effective.
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  Speaker 3: It's like thirty forty percent versus like forty to fifty
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  Speaker 3: percent of polygraph. But like I said, they used a
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  Speaker 3: mock crime simulated paradigm with one hundred and seventy four subjects,
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  Speaker 3: So I thought that was interesting and listen, I think
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  Speaker 3: for being over fifty years old, I think it was
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  Speaker 3: a very forward thinking book. I think the author, obviously
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  Speaker 3: mister O'Toole, obviously had the credentials to write this book right.
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  Speaker 3: And I enjoyed it. I thought it was much interesting,
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  Speaker 3: and especially you know a lot of the cops or
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  Speaker 3: you know, indicated deception and you know, I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to spoil all of it, but I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna give this book a very solid for
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  Speaker 3: the time I was published and forwards forward thinking, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna give it a solid seven guns up.
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  Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Jo, And Yeah, to your point,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this independent study, of course, could be skewed
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  Speaker 2: by who this cubest guy is, whether or not he
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  Speaker 2: thinks this thing's bullshit or not right. You can kind
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  Speaker 2: of set these things up to fail based on how
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  Speaker 2: you construct your test. What what I'm thinking is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if this thing is developed by the CIA, right, that
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  Speaker 2: it underwent some very rigorous testing before becoming something that
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  Speaker 2: they rely on.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: And whether or not you're playing a part, a lie
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  Speaker 2: is a lie, right, So you would think that this thing,
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  Speaker 2: under rigorous testing vetted out a lie more often than
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  Speaker 2: not right or be or showing deception or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it. Stressing you out a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's something interesting to think about. It's
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  Speaker 2: but it can also be easily dismissed out of hand
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  Speaker 2: by skeptics who don't want to attribute the value of
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  Speaker 2: this machine in this book to the case. Right, they say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's a bunch of horseshit, you know, ain't They're different
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  Speaker 2: than a lie detector. They're not even admissible in court.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. This thing was discontinued in the early
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  Speaker 2: eighties because it didn't work right and blah blah blah blah. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So this, this evidence in this book can be dismissed
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  Speaker 2: out of hand, like I said, very easily by skeptics.
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  Speaker 2: For believers in a conspiracy, it just adds to some
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  Speaker 2: more fuel to the fire, if you will, and and
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  Speaker 2: kind of gives you a little bit of an edge
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  Speaker 2: when you're trying to determine who's being truthful in this
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  Speaker 2: thing and who's not. You know, a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: witnesses and individuals associated with the assassination made a lot
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  Speaker 2: of statements. And it's an interesting premise for sure, and
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  Speaker 2: one that I'm glad got done.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But I would like to see.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, Joe, there's got to be
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: something fifty years later that works a hell of a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: lot better than this thing that you could run these
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: statements through and get a result, you know what I mean.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Not that we're going to hear about it these days
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: twenty years later.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, but you figure, you know, the NSA or
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the CIA would have some kind of machine or technology
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: or software that can analyze voice stress pattern analysis and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: at least give us a better percentage of correctness than
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: this PSC machine from the early seventies, You know what
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't doubt what I was saying is we
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: won't hear about it for a couple of decades.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: If at all. Yeah, it's been fifty years when you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: heard about another one.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they've got another one, and they have had
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: another one for a very long time. So yeah, years
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't too long ago, buddy, they should just remote view it, right, Well,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: been done, been done, been there, done that. No, but this, uh,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: this book, I think it took a lot of for
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: this dude to come out with it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And if you peruse YouTube a little bit, you.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Can find some some speeches and interviews that this guy,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Georgia O'Toole did, and you know he can explain that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: all this stuff better than me, for sure. Fascinating premise,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And do I think the book holds up over time,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: of course, not Like I said, there needs to be
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: an update with some some kind of better software type
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of thing. But the stories in here are fascinating because
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: he does go back and reinterview a lot of players
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: associated with like Gerald Hill, he calls him and talks
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: to him on the phone quite frequently. Paul Bentley, one
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: of the arresting officers of Oswald Brasier. Like I said,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: he tracked this motherfucker down something you know, and uh, well,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: we'll get more into that on members only, because it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a fascinating story on its own. Like I said, he
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: did go back and reinterview a lot of people for
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the book to get a fresh voice analysis, if you will,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: instead of always relying on old recorded statements.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: So and he provided the charts too, which.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agent to include the charts to show you, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: kind of what happens. You know, what a stressful voice
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: analysis looks like and what one doesn't. So that is interesting.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I only showed you two of them. There's plenty more
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of them in the book, you know, based on certain
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: questions asked in different situations. But all in all, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: like the book. It's food for thought if you will,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm always down for that. So for what it is,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: for what it was, and for what it is now. Man,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna have to give this book Joe
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: a solid six guns up. Okay, Okay, So that's it
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: for the assassination Tapes by George O'Toole. That's how you
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: spell his name. If you want to look him up
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the book, the link is in the description. If you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: want to get grab the book. It's a fascinating read.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I highly suggest you check it out. You won't be disappointed.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: You don't have to believe all of it, but you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: won't be disappointed. So if you like this book.
• 27:44
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• 28:08
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• 28:13
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• 28:13
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• 28:14
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