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Columbus City Manager Terminated... with Pay · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary, and interviews you need to start
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Speaker 1: your day. You're listening to The West Carrol Morning Show.
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Speaker 2: Thursday morning, twenty ninth day of May. I'm West Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining me. It was big news that was breaking
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Speaker 2: late in the nighttime hours on Tuesday. I certainly was
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Speaker 2: still quite a big story as of yesterday morning. I
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Speaker 2: felt like it was best to give it a little
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Speaker 2: time before diving into it because there's a lot I'd
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Speaker 2: like to say, but there's a lot that I'm not
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Speaker 2: gonna say. I'm just gonna give you a little bit
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Speaker 2: of the overview of what's taken place here in Columbus
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Speaker 2: over the past couple days. And this has been a
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Speaker 2: very long, ongoing ordeal, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: do my best to just stick to the facts because
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Speaker 2: this is opinion based show. I do report things from
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Speaker 2: time to time, but overall this is about me giving
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Speaker 2: my opinion of things. When it comes to opinions and
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Speaker 2: local news, you can definitely get yourself into some trouble.
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Speaker 2: So right here in my hometown of Columbus, Georgia, and
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go just giving a layout of how things
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Speaker 2: went down and I'm citing from the Ledger Inquirer, the
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Speaker 2: local newspaper of record for the area. Brittany McGhee has
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Speaker 2: written the article about the termination of Isaiah Hugley, who
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Speaker 2: has been the city manager here in Columbus for a
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Speaker 2: four decades. Okay, I feel like Isaiah Hugly is someone
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Speaker 2: who has especially here lately, people have been a lot
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Speaker 2: more outspoken. I think there have been a lot of
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Speaker 2: people who have felt that he was not doing a
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Speaker 2: great job as city manager, but a lot of people
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Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable saying anything, and it has turned into
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Speaker 2: a situation over the past months where people have started
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Speaker 2: to question some specific things in his tenure. During his tenure,
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Speaker 2: so let's go to what has happened here recently and
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Speaker 2: we'll kind of work our way backwards, because again, I
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Speaker 2: want to stick to there's been so much information, misinformation,
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Speaker 2: speculation that has come out about all this, and I
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Speaker 2: want to be very careful that I'm again referencing this
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Speaker 2: article from the Ledger Inquirer. So, a seven to three
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Speaker 2: vote is what took place late Tuesday night, and there
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Speaker 2: has been this investigation, and this vote came after details
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Speaker 2: from the investigation into finance Department, Muskogee County Sheriff's Office
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Speaker 2: Administrative report. This is all coming straight from the article.
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Speaker 2: So Charmaine Crabb, who is a District five councilor, basically
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Speaker 2: brought up this idea that they would be holding this vote.
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Speaker 2: She says, the pattern of sustained dysfunction and operational breakdowns
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Speaker 2: within the departments mister Hughgley oversees, including the criminal charges
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Speaker 2: stemming from the investigations of the Finance Department and Animal Control,
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Speaker 2: have led to a loss of confidence in his leadership.
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Speaker 2: We need to restore stability in city operations. So there
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Speaker 2: were three who voted against his termination, and that was
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Speaker 2: Travis Chambers citywide Councilor, Gary Allen District six, Bruce Huff
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Speaker 2: District three, Glenn Davis, Byron Hickey, Taya Tucker, Joe Anne
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Speaker 2: kogel Walker, Garrett John Anchor, and Charmaine Crab who brought
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Speaker 2: this forward. Now in accordance to the contract, the employment agreement,
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Speaker 2: this is where some people are really kind of raising
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Speaker 2: an eyebrow. But he'll continue to get his salary and
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Speaker 2: benefits through what was supposed to be his retirement date
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Speaker 2: of December thirty. First of this year, there has been
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Speaker 2: questioned speculation whether or not a run for mayor was
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Speaker 2: going to come for Isaiah Hughlely, and some questions about,
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Speaker 2: you know, what that situation might look like if that
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Speaker 2: were the case. I know several people who, at least
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Speaker 2: before all of this started, assumed that Isaiah Huglely would
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Speaker 2: be at some point running for mayor in Columbus, and
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Speaker 2: it certainly seemed like that was a real possibility. I
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Speaker 2: don't know now. I don't know if now we look
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Speaker 2: at a situation where some of these potential charges and
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Speaker 2: all of the accusations and some questions would cause that
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Speaker 2: to not happen, or are we looking at a Trump
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Speaker 2: situation where it just makes the people who support him
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Speaker 2: support him even more. Some of what has been a
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Speaker 2: bit controversial in all of this has been the fact
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Speaker 2: that the counselor who brought all this forward Tuesday evening,
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Speaker 2: Charmaine Krab, has taken some flack because of some comments
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Speaker 2: that she made about black city officials in Columbus, and
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Speaker 2: the attorney for Isaiah Hughley called the comments racist. Now
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Speaker 2: you can have whatever opinion you'd like to have of
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Speaker 2: these comments, but she basically and I don't want to
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Speaker 2: put too much, too many words in her mouth, but
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Speaker 2: again I'm referencing a different news article written by also
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Speaker 2: Brittany McGee of The Ledger Inquirer, where she expressed frustration
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Speaker 2: with Hugley's actions, questioned hiring practices in the city and
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Speaker 2: basically said that she believes there's a skin color based
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Speaker 2: discrimination in the city and that black people who are
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Speaker 2: members of historically black sororities and fraternities benefit from it,
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Speaker 2: and she questioned some specific qualifications of some specific hires
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Speaker 2: that were made. So she said back then that she
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Speaker 2: hoped to get enough support to remove him from the job.
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Speaker 2: And she basically said that ultimately it was believed that's
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Speaker 2: where they wanted to go with this, and obviously that
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Speaker 2: was true. So now Charmayn Krab has apologized, apparently for
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Speaker 2: the remarks that again deemed racist by some. So I've
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Speaker 2: lived in Columbus for a long time, my entire life, Okay,
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Speaker 2: longer than Isaiah Hugley was city manager. All right, I
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Speaker 2: can tell you this. Rumors reports, whatever however accurate they are,
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Speaker 2: there have been stories of him behind closed doors telling
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Speaker 2: the community that we're not too far away in Columbus
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Speaker 2: from having a black mayor and an all black city council.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people talking about, even over these last
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Speaker 2: couple of days, that he was the first black city
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Speaker 2: manager in Columbus and that's significant, and you know, what
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Speaker 2: a great job he's done to move the city forward.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I agree with that part of it.
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Speaker 2: I think he has certainly done a job. I know
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Speaker 2: the man. I don't know the man well. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that I've ever had something that was done in
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Speaker 2: this city that made me think, Wow, what an outstanding
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Speaker 2: job by the city manager. But I don't know the
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Speaker 2: inner workings of that. I've seen the accusations. I've heard
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Speaker 2: all of these stories that I'm telling you and many more.
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Speaker 2: I've heard these stories about the behind the scenes, closed doors. Hey,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have a black mayor and black, full
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Speaker 2: black city council. And I would just say this, I
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Speaker 2: would hope that someone who steps into a role like
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Speaker 2: city manager is the first black city manager in a
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Speaker 2: city like Columbus, that there would be strides made forward
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Speaker 2: and not backwards when it comes to the way that
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Speaker 2: we use terminology concerning race. And if it's true that
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Speaker 2: he said those words. I don't know why that would
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Speaker 2: be something to be deemed a positive thing. As we've
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Speaker 2: discussed many times when it comes to racism in America,
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Speaker 2: there are things that we can do to move forward,
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Speaker 2: and then there were things that we can do to
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Speaker 2: continue to pick at the scab. That sounds like picking
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Speaker 2: at the scab to me when we think, wow, maybe
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Speaker 2: we're healing, maybe some progress is being made. I think
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Speaker 2: back to Donovan McNabb and Michael Vick playing each other,
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Speaker 2: the Falcons and the Eagle playing in the NFC Championship
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Speaker 2: game in football, and the beginning of the game, the
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Speaker 2: announcers acknowledged this is the first time there were two
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Speaker 2: black quarterbacks starting in the NFC Championship game, and then
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Speaker 2: they moved on and covered the game. I believe it
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Speaker 2: was Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, but they went on,
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Speaker 2: they covered the game, the game finished. Afterwards, Donovan McNabb
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Speaker 2: expressed frustration for the rest of the week that more
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Speaker 2: attention wasn't brought to the fact that it was two
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Speaker 2: black quarterbacks starting in an NFC championship game, which then
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Speaker 2: led I believe Joe Buck to say, well, we acknowledged
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Speaker 2: it at the start of the game, now what I
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Speaker 2: would say, and to me, that was the beginning of
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Speaker 2: this trend and understanding fully, anybody who is of a
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Speaker 2: certain age or older knows that there was a time
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Speaker 2: when there just weren't many black quarterbacks in the NFL,
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Speaker 2: certainly not starting, certainly not getting as many opportunities to
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Speaker 2: play in championship games, just because the numbers were smaller,
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Speaker 2: and you had a period where there was a lot
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Speaker 2: of discussion about that. Now it's pretty common. You look
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Speaker 2: at the playoffs, you look at games. It's become commonplace,
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Speaker 2: so it doesn't necessarily have to be addressed every time.
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Speaker 2: And I think addressing it as a historic significant event
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Speaker 2: in football at the beginning of the game to me,
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Speaker 2: showed we're making progress. But for Donovan McNabb to later
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Speaker 2: say they didn't make a big enough deal about it
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Speaker 2: tells me that that's a desire to halt the progress.
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Speaker 2: So I think that if it's true that our city
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Speaker 2: manager at some point set in a room full of people, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're not too far away from a black mayor and
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Speaker 2: all black city council, and if that was done in
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Speaker 2: a way to make people go, yeah, that's taking steps backwards.
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Speaker 2: That's not leadership to move forward, that's not we do
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Speaker 2: amazing or whatever the slogan is now in Columbus. So
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Speaker 2: as he was, they were wrapping things up last night,
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Speaker 2: the mayor, Skip Henderson, thank Hugly for his unselfish service
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Speaker 2: to the community and the city council. Two of the
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Speaker 2: city councilors who voted to keep him, including Alan, who said,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate all you've done for Columbus and have enjoyed
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Speaker 2: working with you. I hate to see it in this way,
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Speaker 2: but I appreciate you. Hugly basically in leaving said that
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Speaker 2: I would like to thank you for now. You know
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Speaker 2: there's more to come. You haven't seen the last of me,
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Speaker 2: and so we're coming. I'll just leave it at that.
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Speaker 2: So if this is a reference to he does have
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Speaker 2: a lawyer that's been working with him through all of
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Speaker 2: these things, If it's a reference to that, if it's
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Speaker 2: as a reference to possibly him running for mayor, I
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Speaker 2: don't know where this goes. I'm reporting the news and
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Speaker 2: giving you a little bit of opinion on what I
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Speaker 2: think of where things are in this city when it
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Speaker 2: comes to race. If these things are true, that's what
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you today this is as diplomatic as I
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Speaker 2: can be, considering there are many people involved in the
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Speaker 2: story that I do know, some of them I know
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Speaker 2: better than others. And as this story moves forward, and
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Speaker 2: hopefully more investigations happen, and the more that we can
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Speaker 2: understand about exactly what has happened in this city that
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Speaker 2: I do love. I do. It's my home town, and
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Speaker 2: I hope that the proper investigations are done, and I
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Speaker 2: hope that if there are criminal charges, then I hope
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Speaker 2: justice has served. And if there are criminal charges, I
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Speaker 2: would hope that the same people who were frustrated and
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Speaker 2: said I can't believe that Donald Trump is continuing to
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Speaker 2: run for president would not then vote for a man
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Speaker 2: to be mayor if there were in fact these criminal charges.
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Speaker 2: I'm just pointing that out. Okay, if you don't want
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Speaker 2: Charlene Krabb's accusations to be true, maybe you would take
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Speaker 2: a moment and think, should this be the direction that
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Speaker 2: the city goes? That's all?
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Speaker 1: Hey.
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Speaker 2: Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville has announced that he is going
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Speaker 2: to run for governor of Alabama, another campaign that was
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Speaker 2: speculated for quite some time Tuberville, who is currently hold
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Speaker 2: a Senate seat, who will vacate that seat to run
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Speaker 2: for governor, and that we're in a k ivy in
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Speaker 2: announced that he would not be running. So that's will Ainsworth.
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Speaker 2: According to a new study, people stop exercising at the
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Speaker 2: age of forty nine. Researchers found that physical activity takes
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Speaker 2: a noticeable dip right around that age, possibly because of
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Speaker 2: changes in brain chemistry. And they say it's not about willpower. Instead,
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Speaker 2: for some reason at around age forty nine, or brain
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Speaker 2: send messages that suggest chilling out more So, keep that
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Speaker 2: in mind. There's some sort of coding or programming somewhere
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Speaker 2: in your brain. Maybe that's just telling you to relax,
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Speaker 2: and you have to fight that because you can't just
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Speaker 2: stop doing things. At forty nine you had trust me,
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Speaker 2: I know you have to keep going fifty and beyond.
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Speaker 2: If you're looking to save some cash while buying a
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Speaker 2: new car, there's still some budget friendly rides out there.
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Speaker 2: A new study from iccars dot com found the cheapest
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Speaker 2: cars of the new cars is the Chevrolet Spark, with
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Speaker 2: an average new price of just under seventeen thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: Other new cars you can get under twenty thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: include the Mitsubishi Mirage, the Kia Rio, the Nissan Versa,
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Speaker 2: and the Hyundai Accent or High Unday, as they say
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Speaker 2: in some places. I don't know. I just said it
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Speaker 2: that way because it some people say that, but I
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Speaker 2: would never say high Junday a normal conversation. There have
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Speaker 2: been fifteen different versions of Windows released over the last
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Speaker 2: three decades, but even today, some of the oldest systems,
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Speaker 2: the XP, the two thousand, and the MS DOSS are
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Speaker 2: still keeping elevators, moving trains, run government systems, functioning institutions
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Speaker 2: like hospitals and museums. There's a lot of urgency to
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Speaker 2: update the operating systems, both because it would be expensive
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Speaker 2: and oh so there's not urgency, sorry, because of the expense,
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Speaker 2: and because there's a chance the entire system would come
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Speaker 2: tumbling down. So some very important devices relying on technology
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Speaker 2: that's twenty to thirty years old, think about that. I understand.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they're forty nine plus and they're telling them we
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Speaker 2: don't need to update this, we just need to relax.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what's going on. All right, that'll do it
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