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The Great Maple Syrup Heist · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Well, Hello, I'm Nicole and I'm Ben and you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to Wicked and.
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  Speaker 2: Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And material intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: That was upbeat.
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  Speaker 1: That was an upbeat intro. Wow, look at us for
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  Speaker 1: a grim podcast. That was very upbeat.
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  Speaker 2: We're living our best life, we are.
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  Speaker 1: I've got meat. What are you drinking?
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  Speaker 2: I am actually drinking wine from our local winery. It's
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  Speaker 2: a fruit winery place.
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  Speaker 1: Mine's even more local than you, actually, very much so.
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  Speaker 1: Because ours this came from our kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: It did as local as it can get, right. I
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  Speaker 2: made it myself. Is it good? It is?
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  Speaker 1: I've made better, but it's good. But this is actually
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  Speaker 1: the last batch of mead I'm ever gonna make.
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  Speaker 2: You know what never say never well as.
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  Speaker 1: The foreseeable future for anyone who doesn't know. Mead is wine.
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  Speaker 1: But it's honey based. It's like what the Vikings used
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  Speaker 1: to make back in the day. So I made honey
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  Speaker 1: wine myself.
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  Speaker 2: Fits your character very well?
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  Speaker 1: What is my character that it fits?
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  Speaker 2: Like your beard? You're like a manly man and you
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  Speaker 2: like your maid.
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  Speaker 1: Are you just describing Regnar? Lothbrook Off Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: I really like him. Actually, I was like obsessed with Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: It's a damn good show.
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  Speaker 2: Sobering good. Okay. Wasn't there supposed to be like a
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  Speaker 2: spin off or something of that sort. There was.
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  Speaker 1: It was supposed to take place like I think it
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  Speaker 1: was like two hundred years afterwards in the city or
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  Speaker 1: the township. Yeah, that they were.
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  Speaker 2: And they were just like a distant not I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna say future, but past or whatever, like, well, it's our.
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  Speaker 1: Past technically, but the future. Yeah, so it's supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a time difference, and like, yeah, happened.
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  Speaker 1: We should look that up, I know, because.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it should be out by now, But
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  Speaker 2: I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It may maybe it's over by now. Maybe it's already
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  Speaker 1: like five seasons and done. Who fucking knows. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, knowing us, it probably is.
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  Speaker 1: Probably Do you have any more news or anything we
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  Speaker 1: need to drop this episode or can we just go
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  Speaker 1: straight into this or what anything we need to say?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We're really into Ramen right now?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes we are?
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  Speaker 2: Is that important?
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  Speaker 1: Ramen's definitely important. I've been making home, making homemade.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff actually like sour dough.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, haven't made that for a while. I should probably
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  Speaker 1: make them soon.
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  Speaker 2: We made some said, you're annoyed with the other day.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, you got to start making sour I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I would I if you just do it, though, I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting tired of making all this handmade freaking sour dough.
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  Speaker 2: At home.
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  Speaker 1: We don't buy bread anymore, just have sour dough, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting like tired of it. And it's like you
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  Speaker 1: want me to keep going clearly because you just get
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  Speaker 1: fresh baked bread. Well, time to pull your own.
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  Speaker 2: Damn, I just raked the backyard.
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  Speaker 1: Then that equals fresh bread for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Let's on that note, let's go into this.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Wicked and Grim guys.
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  Speaker 2: This is yeah, this is this is it. It just
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  Speaker 2: goes downhill.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the entire podcast is basically just going
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  Speaker 1: to be us taking notes on how we can get
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  Speaker 1: away with murder if the other one pisses us off enough.
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  Speaker 2: I don't say that kind of ship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we don't want to get an evidence
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  Speaker 1: evidence My bad. I mean that was a joke, total joke.
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  Speaker 1: Uh No, But today we're talking a very serious, serious episode.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got very serious, or even your eye
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  Speaker 2: contact got seriously. This is like.
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  Speaker 1: The worst thing in Canadian history, like ever.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very intrigued.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Great maple Syrup Heist.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh casey, I actually know nothing about this.
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  Speaker 1: You know nothing about it?
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  Speaker 2: I really don't. I actually didn't really even know it
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  Speaker 2: was a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna learn you a little bit on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this.
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  Speaker 1: We bleed maple syrup up here in the North, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we do. And the fact that there was a giant
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  Speaker 1: heist stealing a bunch of maple syrup, it's literally our
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  Speaker 1: life blood just gone.
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  Speaker 2: Maple syrup is freaking delicious, it is.
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  Speaker 1: And fun fact about this case though, it's not only
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  Speaker 1: the Great maple Syrup Heist, it's the largest heist in
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  Speaker 1: Canadian history.
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  Speaker 2: Wom ding dang.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's pretty crazy cool. So let's start this off.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dive right in.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, between twenty eleven and twenty twelve, eighteen point seven
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  Speaker 1: million dollars was stolen in nearly three thousand tons of
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  Speaker 1: maple syrup from a storage facility in Quebec, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Can you say how much money again?
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen point seven million?
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  Speaker 2: Wow? Good lord. I wasn't produce AD eighteen or eight,
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  Speaker 2: but it was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, holy one eight point seven that's an insane number.
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  Speaker 1: That's a ship time in maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: No kidding, because it's only it's like gold or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it kind of is. I'm gonna we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: this here in a sec. So, like, really, before we
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  Speaker 1: get into the whole story, I'm going to kind of
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  Speaker 1: give you a background on that, like what you're going
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  Speaker 1: after here. So first off, before we get numbers of
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  Speaker 1: like monetary wise, let's get numbers on production. So Canada
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  Speaker 1: produces approximately seventy five percent of the world's maple syrup supply. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: and ninety one percent of that supply comes from Quebec.
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  Speaker 2: Really yep. Okay, see I had no idea about this.
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  Speaker 2: That's some good learnings right there.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need to go to school kids, just listen
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  Speaker 1: to us.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And this this might be a really dumb question,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the like aunt Jemima, Oh no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not Canadians.
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  Speaker 1: That's no, that's just like flavored corn syrup.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. See. I was like, I don't know maybe it
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  Speaker 2: is actually but.
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  Speaker 1: Not talking maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: You get good, delicious, the good shit. Okay, not this,
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  Speaker 2: So is that not even maple syrup?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's that's just syrup. That's just a flavored syrup.
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  Speaker 2: Look at I'm learning a lot already. It's like five
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  Speaker 2: minutes in. I like this.
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  Speaker 1: So, on average, a tapped maple tree will produce ten
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  Speaker 1: gallons ten to twenty gallons sorry of sap per tap.
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  Speaker 1: And it takes ten gallons of sap to make approximately
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  Speaker 1: one quart of syrup from harvest. Okay, so it takes
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah. And maple syrup is valued at approximately
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  Speaker 1: twelve hundred dollars a barrel. That's two dollars and eighty
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  Speaker 1: eight cents a pound. Now this is all Canadian monetary.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And just for a reference, crude oil like to make gasoline,
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  Speaker 1: is around sixty five dollars a barrel. So that makes
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  Speaker 1: maple syrup ten to twelve times more valuable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah than crude all.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it is gold, it's liquid fucking gold.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's why we Canadians are pretty serious about
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  Speaker 1: our maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: Very serious. Yeah, and now we know why.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's literally liquid gold. It tastes fucking delicious. It's
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  Speaker 1: comes from our own land and it's fucking liquid gold.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, screw hot sauce. We put maple syrup on everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm making us sound so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Shit on everything. Oh my god, you can a stir fry.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the maple syrup?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I think I oh man.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, so we all know about the black market, right
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  Speaker 1: due to the prices like twelve hundred dollars a barrel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's a black market for maple.
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  Speaker 2: Syrup really, yeah, right, along with organs and stuff. Literally, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: And the funny part is this is hilarious to find
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  Speaker 1: this hilarious. This black market for maple syrup is controlled
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  Speaker 1: by what is commonly referred to. This isn't a name
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  Speaker 1: I made up or just from one article. This is
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  Speaker 1: a common name for them, the maple syrup Cartel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh serious and fucking serious, holy free, This is.
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  Speaker 1: Some literal godfather shit.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So welcome to fucking Canada. Don't fuck with our
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  Speaker 1: maple syrup or our geese. You'll die.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, it just got real.
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  Speaker 1: What really did.
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: How much you learned so far?
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  Speaker 2: So much. Actually, like I'm actually shocked because I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I've almost like like I'm not a very good Canadian
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  Speaker 2: so far because I'm like, holy shit, like I probably
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  Speaker 2: know this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're learning it today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have to like re listen to this
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  Speaker 2: shit to make sure I really got it in there.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling this is gonna be a shit
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  Speaker 1: show of an episode, just if you're going what and
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  Speaker 1: me being like, yeah, Godfather shit. Also we put that shit.
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  Speaker 2: On everything, Yeah, we really do.
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  Speaker 1: So when it comes to the whole Godfather shit. Though,
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  Speaker 1: the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers is the exact
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  Speaker 1: federation who controls all this. I'm the maple syrup cartel
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  Speaker 1: on the black market. That's a little bit different. The
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  Speaker 1: Federation is like the fucking FBI sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, So they.
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  Speaker 1: Are literally the head of maple syrup production and tells
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the country how to make and sell
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  Speaker 1: their maple syrup. Okay, They somehow managed to convince the
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  Speaker 1: government to approve and enforce that they are in control
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  Speaker 1: of buying from producers to sell and distribute the syrup
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  Speaker 1: wholesale across the globe. Basically that states that if you
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  Speaker 1: ever own or even inherit or grow maple trees, and
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  Speaker 1: they were, and you were to produce maple syrup for wholesale,
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  Speaker 1: you have to go through them for your sales and
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  Speaker 1: pay them for their service.
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  Speaker 2: Really yeah, how did they do this?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Wow, this is government law. If you
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  Speaker 1: were to produce maple syrup for wholesale, you have to
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  Speaker 1: go through them and pay them for their service.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's totally fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: That's some intent shit, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Like, so we literally have the Federation, the Federation of
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  Speaker 1: Quebec Maple Syrup Producers. I love saying that, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: refer to them as the federation. So we have the Federation,
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  Speaker 1: who's like literally the FBI of the maple syrup world
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  Speaker 1: and the maple syrup cartel running the black market for
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  Speaker 1: maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Like this means serious business.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it fucking do.
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  Speaker 2: It's business time, man, it's business it's business time.
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  Speaker 1: Motherfucker. Come on, we got maple syrup and its fucking
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  Speaker 1: isness time. Sorry oh boy, anyways, I'm not a singer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Your ears are bleeding now, My bad. So anyways,
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  Speaker 1: they maintained this whole federation. They may maintain a strategic
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  Speaker 1: reserve of maple syrup, officially known as the International Strategic Reserve,
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  Speaker 1: also known as the is R, also referred to as
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  Speaker 1: the Global Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, this is getting too much. It's a lot,
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  Speaker 2: it is. It's so in depth, just some freaking maple syrup.
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  Speaker 1: I'm only scratching the surface on this information too. It
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  Speaker 1: was way too in depth for me to get into.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just like, this is the basic information here.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm actually shocked too, because how could anyone even
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  Speaker 2: get away with anything with all this shit going on.
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  Speaker 1: That's the whole thing, with the whole black market. There's
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  Speaker 1: people like trying to rise up against this federation because
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  Speaker 1: they're they're saying, like, how can you control this, Like
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  Speaker 1: you're literally holding us all hostage with her own supply here.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, huh.
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  Speaker 1: So, anyways, these reserves, these strategic reserves, are to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that they slow the steady flow of syrup supply and
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  Speaker 1: make sure it's pushed to the markets at a rate
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  Speaker 1: that keeps the prices from fluctuating.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I guess that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: It gives the federation complete control over supply and demand,
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  Speaker 1: with the ability to charge what they want, hence the
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  Speaker 1: extremely high maple syrup prices.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but that is good for the I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what you call them suppliers though, that they are
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  Speaker 2: maintaining this high level price for their.
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  Speaker 1: Products necessarily because the Federation will be like, our reserves
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  Speaker 1: are full.
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  Speaker 2: This doesn't even sound very Canadian, really, I mean it does.
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  Speaker 1: When you consider the fact that our fucking cartel is
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  Speaker 1: based around maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's kind of fucked up. It's very Canadian
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, but like that is but just.
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  Speaker 2: Like the control ness and like not where's like the
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  Speaker 2: nice cities of you getting to do your own shit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to catch a little bit of flak here,
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  Speaker 1: no offense, I'm sorry, but we are talking about Quebec.
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  Speaker 1: They're dicks. They wanted to separate from Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, are they the dicks of Canada? I don't
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  Speaker 2: even okay, I didn't mean, oh gosh, oh gosh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but I actually don't remember if I did. Where did
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  Speaker 2: we hear this that they wanted to separate?
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  Speaker 1: This is this is common knowledge, This is history. Do
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  Speaker 1: they still want to majority? I think yeah, they want
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  Speaker 1: to separate from Canada.
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  Speaker 2: That would be really weird.
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  Speaker 1: No offense, You're not assholes, You're just.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You don't make me mad, you just make me disappointed worse.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Let let's push this aside. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to get all political on this. But anyways, due to
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  Speaker 1: the overbearing control from the Federation, they basically have people
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  Speaker 1: who started trying to sell maple syrup on the black
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  Speaker 1: market right controlled by the cartel. Yeah, reserve facilities being placed. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I lost my spot and I tried to like brain
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  Speaker 1: fart my way through it. That wasn't gonna work. So
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  Speaker 1: reserve facilities being places that houses essentially like guess, like
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  Speaker 1: we said, liquid gold for the world are in a
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  Speaker 1: few spots around Quebec. Their top of the line security
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  Speaker 1: is basically impenetrable. Oh sorry, laughable, it's laughable, not impenetrable.
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  Speaker 1: They're basically just warehouses, no security cameras, no arms, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a chain link fence with like maybe a princess auto
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  Speaker 1: lock on it, so.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone's backyard.
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  Speaker 1: Basically pretty much. Yeah, it's at best you might have
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  Speaker 1: a security guard do with rounds like once.
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  Speaker 2: In a while, which is interesting really with the value.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I know, and there is a history of maple
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  Speaker 1: syrup being stolen too.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: There was a truck that was stolen with heavily it
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  Speaker 1: was ten thousand dollars worth of maple syrup prior to this.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was in two thousand and three, somewhere
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  Speaker 1: around there. I didn't write these ones down. I was
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  Speaker 1: like pluck that, I'm not going to get onto them.
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  Speaker 1: Here we are now I'm talking about it. And another
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  Speaker 1: case with actually an individual who was involved in this one.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that later who had stole I think
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  Speaker 1: one point three million dollars worth of maple syrup. But
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  Speaker 1: they still haven't actually tied anyone to that case. But
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  Speaker 1: the dude who headed this is the prime suspect. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so there is a history a thing of maple syrup theft.
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  Speaker 1: But still we're just talking just a warehouse down the
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  Speaker 1: road off the highway with fucking bob. Who's the security
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  Speaker 1: guy sleeping in the shack not doing his fucking job.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting to me.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, not very smart, like I said, not impenetrable
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  Speaker 1: laugh about security security. So with such crazy preventative measures
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  Speaker 1: that they managed to do for their securities. We can
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  Speaker 1: understand exactly how the maple syrup was basically stolen from
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  Speaker 1: said top line facilities. Sorry, I'm gonna stop mocking that now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get over that. I can tell it's
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  Speaker 2: just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: So they discovered that there was missing maple syrup first
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  Speaker 1: when a routine inventory check was being performed. It's an
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  Speaker 1: annual check. Then you know, they go through and they
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  Speaker 1: count all the barrels. They make sure they have their
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  Speaker 1: inventory taken.
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  Speaker 2: Care of good.
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  Speaker 1: The person who was heading that inventory check at this
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  Speaker 1: specific facility was I'm gonna butcher these names because it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of French names. I'm gonna try. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Michuel garv Roau.
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  Speaker 2: I think that doesn't sound too bad.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Just because it sounds bad, it doesn't sound bad,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not right. And it was, say Miguel.
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  Speaker 1: So he went to the warehouse insane Louis de Blancford,
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  Speaker 1: de Blanford or whatever, just in Quebec. Again French, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a French person. Where it contained nearly sixteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand drums stacked six high to the ceiling, and he
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  Speaker 1: was in charge of counting those barrels all the way.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of maple syrup.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: And visualizing that right now.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, each one of those barrels weighed about six hundred pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Holy crap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of maple syrup.
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  Speaker 2: Holy moly.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Remember I said it was like what two dollars and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: eighty eight cents a pound.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did something like that. Yeah, and there's six
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: hundred pounds in a barrel yep.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: At sixteen thousand drums. Holy mola in Justice one facility.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So this is a sort of reserve that they're just
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: holding back and not putting it out to public so
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: they can maintain prices. So Mguel, I think climbed to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the top of the stack to get some heights, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: perform the count so you can get you know, perspective
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and all that sort of thing. Yeah, doesn't sound safe
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: at all, just saying this. He just you know, scaling
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: six high.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Oil drums, always climbing on the barrel, climbing on the barrels.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, friing loadder No, No.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: He's just climbing up the top of the barrel. So
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: he's climbing and he reaches up to grab the top
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: barrel to pull himself up when it shifted, causing him
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to fall backwards to the ground with a six hundred
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: pound barrel crashing down on top of him.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: But the barrel wasn't actually full, was it.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: The barrel didn't crush him because it didn't weigh six
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds because it was empty.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually caught on earlier. I normally pat on
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the back, baby, I'm smart tonight.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: You got to do the back there, you go leave
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: me hanging there. So, yeah, thankfully the barrel was empty.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: But then if the barrel was full, he might not
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: have fallen either though exactly.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the six hundred pounds would have exactly. Yeah, so
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you're catching on, you know what you're talking about. So
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: an empty barrel, it's you know, definitely odd. And they
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: just chalked it up to an inventory error, as there
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: was actually multiple barrels that were empty in there, but
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it was just a handful, and they're just like, you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: shit like this happens. You know, something could have fucked up.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: But three weeks later, another inventory check was performed, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: they found more empty barrels, and in fact others had
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: been filled with water.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Over the course of the next three months, they discovered
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: nearly ten thousand barrels had been emptied of their contents,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: with a value of over eighteen million dollars.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, So, were like the people still doing
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it over that three months or had or had it
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: already been done?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted they were still doing it. They were doing
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it before the inventory check, and they were continuing to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: See. I feel like I would find one empty barrel
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: and be like, what the fuck, and the Sebert just
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: like yeah whatever, like and then they don't even and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: then they find mores, yeah whatever, they don't increase their
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: security and.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Shit, well, I mean if you just look at one
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: empty barrel, I mean, for someone who's making that much money,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you're looking at six hundred pounds times two point eight,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: so six hundred basically times three, right, So you're looking
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: at how much is that? Like eighteen hundred dollars?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, but still like that. I'm pretty wait, no, how
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: much is that? I actually don't know six hundred.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's eighteen eighteen hundred, Okay, Yeah, it's eighteen hundred.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Holy moly.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So, I mean eighteen hundred dollars down the drain and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it's just a missing barrel. What the fuck? That's odd? Yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: but for big corporation, that's not that much. It's just
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: one missing barrel. But then it starts adding up, adding up.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Once something happened twice is.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: A what is it? Fool me? What is the same?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well for me once, shame on you. For me twice,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: shame on me. But I mean there's also once actually,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: go well here, once is something happened? You know, it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: just yeah, whatever, twice coincidence? Three times as a pattern.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: We got this happening repeated repeatedly, and now we're getting
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: up to ten thousand.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: To see what they were doing here, like how they're
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: getting it out of the barrels and what they're doing,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: this is fascinating.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into it a little bit here.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And I also want a barrel of maple syrup.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Barrel of syrup. I really we'll oh god. So during
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the whole time, there were actually eyewitnesses at the compound,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: which were located just off the main highway like I said,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: saying that there were trucks coming and going at strange
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: hours all throughout the day, at different times like day night,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: just weird nondescript trucks.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: One individual named Pascal Patrie I got that one pretty
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: good good job. He was a laborer who worked at
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the specific facility loading and unloading trucks. And he actually
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: reported water on one of the barrels, which we're working
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: in maple syrup here. There shouldn't be water, right, yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And he reported it to his manager, and his manager
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: offered him one thousand dollars to keep his mouth and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: join the cause.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I would take that deal.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, So he accepted. He would work for the federation,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you know because this is their their warehouse, right, So
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he'd work his Federation job nine to five and then
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: after hours help the black market cartel thieves steal and
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: replace the maple syrup with water by night.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, So were they just putting that I don't know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you might get here, but were they just putting emptying
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the barrels of maple syrup into like another barrel and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: taking it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Well, what they were doing, because there was a different
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: ways they would do it. But the main way that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I found is they would essentially load up maple syrup
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: into their trucks and unload barrels filled with water.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: That's essentially what they would do. Interesting, So, most of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the workers who were actually involved in like that loading
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and unloading process, even driving, didn't know they were even
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a part of it, really they, or so they claim anyways,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: because I mean if I was a part of it
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and I knew, I.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm just I don't know what the Yeah, no kidding,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: No one.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Told me I was stealing shit. Uh So they're basically
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: just basically paid under the table to simply haul the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: truck from like point A to point B or load
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: or unload the shipment at like weird specific times for cash.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So I mean there's gonna be people out there who
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: are looking for work or just fuck yeah, they're not
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: gonna ask questions, yes, do it?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just need the money.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: So a Karen VK Karen, I think it's a V Karen.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: There we go. However, was a warehouse worker who would
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: be a key part and central figure for this whole operation.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: A vek spouse actually owned the property this warehouse was in.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: It was a rented warehouse she owned. Okay, well I'm
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: not sure if she owned it. I saw owned, but
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's more or like operated or something. Anyways. Yeah,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: so his spouse was in charge of that, and he
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: had reported history as well, and a criminal record of fraud.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But he actually avoided jail time. Though he was a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: central and important part of this whole thing. He wasn't
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the head of the snake. He wasn't the only one.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: The whole head of the thing was reserved for a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: man by the name of Ricard Valliers. He was what
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you'd call a barrel roller, someone who went against the federation,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: dealt in the black market. And like I said, he
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: had actually been previously charged with Oh sorry, I said
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: earlier one point three million. It's one point eight million.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, So he's done this before his experience.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, but clearly that didn't stop him because he's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: doing it again.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Well he got away with it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he would buy from producers and sell to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: whoever he could. And the problem was when people were buying,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: there's no way of really knowing where the serp came from.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So even though someone's buying stolen maple syrup, there's no
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: way of knowing it's stolen maple syrup. You basically have
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to trust the person you're purchasing from. Some people, I'm
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: sure do know they're buying black market syrup. Others don't. Okay, interesting, yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: because there's like, you can't serial stamp a freaking maple syrup.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: The only way you know where it's coming from is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: once it's in a container that sealed and says.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: This on it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And it's like these barrels, there's like a label on it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You slap another label over top, you label off whatever.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Right, So people were buying the black market stuff not knowing. Yes, okay.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: One thing that I got to give them credit for, though,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I fucking love this. So they use cell phones during
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the whole operation, and you know, burner phone sort of thing, right, Okay,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And they had alias names that they ran by on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: these cell phones, and those alias names were themed. First
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of all, you're coordinated, you're themed. Love it. Second of all,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: they were Star Wars themed. We're talking Luke Skywalker, We're
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: talking Lea Hans Solo.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You will love that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Okay. I just want to say if I were to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: ever commit a heist, I want to do that straight up.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: That's just badass.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: So if anyone ever hears anything about like something like
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that in the news, they're going to know what's been Yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that was me, proudly.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So the Rebel Alliance, which Star Wars reference, and it
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: totally fits what they're doing, just so I'm calling them
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the Rebel Alliance from here and out.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, like, do you made that up?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's me.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Oh good job.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the Rebel Alliance and Star Wars.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I know, I thought it would just made sense, So
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I thought it was just part of.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: The story about I put that in there because it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: just fits so well. So they grew more and more
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: nervous actually with that annual inventory check coming up, because
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they knew there was a high chance, high possibility that
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: these empty barrels or barrels full of water were going
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to be discovered. So they actually did things like even
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: mess with the lights to try and get it, like
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: dimmer in there to try and you know, get there
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the scheme to kind of go under the radar. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they did a lot of stuff to try and help
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in the favor. But clearly we know how that played out,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it didn't go in their favor. They were discovered.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Well I think they got almost too grady, really.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, because I mean we're talking a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: lot of money here.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: They just stopped at like five million or whatever. They
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: really need eighteen million.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you got a point. I would probably stop
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: at like five barrels.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I'm good retirement and that's a lot
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of a lot of labor.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be moving all these barrels.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, that's freaking heavy.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there were other indicators though, other than just
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that empty barrel that like toppled over. Okay, so the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: indicators that helped them identify all these empty barrels in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the sea of fucking maple syrup. One of them was rust,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: because we're talking water in these barrels.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: The barrels began to rust, and they wouldn't have rust.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Stood with syrup, they wouldn't have No. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Another one was marks on the barrels from forklifts. Because
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of Warehouse when they were operating, they had actual specific
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: attachments on their forklifts rather than just standard forks on
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the bottom, and they were designed to grab two barrels
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: at a time without damaging the barrels.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, but these people didn't have that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: These people rented forklifts and just used regular forks, and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: those forks can scratch, dentt do a lot of damage.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So when they're looking for to identify which barrels were
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: filled with maple syrup and not, it was pretty easy
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to say, well, that one's got rust on it. Let's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: check it. Yeah, water, okay, let's check the one beside it. Okay,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that one's also water. Even if there's not rust, it's like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: now we are looking in this spot. Oh, there's dents
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and scratches over here. Let's check these ones.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of signs. Actually, really, it is.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Another sign that they completely missed, which just dumb, absolutely dumb.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Was a little later on when they're doing their investigation,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: some of the maple syrup barrels that were sold to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: people on the black market or whatever had like labels
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: with the head of the whole thing, like his name
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, they were even able.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: To track down where the rental forklist was from from,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like arrest warrants and there's like receipts and shit for
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: these rental fork lists. They were not careful at all.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they almost like seem like they were like cocky
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: or something like I'm not gonna get caught.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I think they were just dumb. I think like, yeah,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they're just like sloped.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: That's like really dumb though, yeah it is.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It's really like it's just so janky. They just never
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: thought into the like we're gonna steal some shit, We're
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: gonna get people just gonna pay them, and there'll be
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: so many people involved. No one's gonna talk.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: People talked to get that much money, though. I feel
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: like you would have had to kind of like have
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: some serious brains behind this operation.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: But no, I think it's I think it's just serious balls.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: He's got the hood spot to pull it off, yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: but he does not have brains to do anything about it. Yeah. So,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like I said that, people did talk, nerves actually began
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to get to people because the investigations starting now right,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: they found missing barrels or so, they found barrels emptied
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: with maple syrup and water like shit's going down, So
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: they actually began to like threats going back and forth,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and some people even having ties to a parent real
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: cartel and stuff like real mafia getting involved, like if
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: you talk to police, will shoot you in the head,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like some serious fo allegations.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some scary shit.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: But we're talking a lot of people involved, Like not
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: everyone kept quiet.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: So all in all, about three hundred people were questioned,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: forty search warrants were executed, and the case basically worked
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in a textbook way. You know, chase down a lead,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: question the witness, identify the ring leader, and boom close.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much how it went.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It probably wasn't even that hard to get to that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: ring leader really.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't, like I said, his name was on fucking.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Bars, actually yeah, and he's.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Already got a past like it. It was like, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: don't even need to talk evidence here because it was
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: just so fucking easy. So what happened here from from
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: those individuals that were caught, I've got a list here
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: of people who were charged, but from what they arrested
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: was a total of twenty six individuals, and there was
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: probably more, oh there was more involved, but that the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: arrests involved twenty six people.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of people.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Like you're talking.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Not even getting a million bucks at this point, Like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: what the shit's the point.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they were getting like, oh, maybe probably
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: getting paid.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: There was tears. Probably they weren't getting splitting it evenly
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they weren't splitting it evenly. I'm sure
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: it's a matter of like we'll give you ten grand
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to do this, will give you five grand to do this,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and for workers, will give you five hundred bucks a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: night like that sort of stuff.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, thankfully, and this is this is gonna be
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: good news, good news to any Canadian out there listening. Thankfully,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: two thirds of the stolen goods were actually recovered.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Holy that's a lot.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Yes. However, the other third were unfortunately absorbed into the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: world's pancakes supply on everyone's breakfast plates. So I actually
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: wrote that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: In my notes to say that look at that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But that did come at a cost, because we're talking
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: that some people who did purchase these legitimately thinking it
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: was legitimate maple syrup that they can you know, put
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: into their supply and get out there. Yeah, basically FBI
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: is kicking in their door and stealing like a million
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: dollars worth of maple syrup that they have almost putting
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: their business like under.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope that they would like compensate them.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: No, it's stolen goods.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: What the shit though? Oh that doesn't seem fair because
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: then what is going on? Like, Okay, they take back
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the maple syrup, what are they going to do with
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that though? Did they later sell it? That's bullshit if
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that's the case.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, Wow, it's there, it's rightfully theirs. It's stolen property, right.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I have issues with that, But that's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: another story. You know.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to skip ahead a little bit to kind
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of give talk about what you're on already.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: There is one party that actually never did get charged,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the Federation itself. There are rumors that it itself was involved.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Their reserves were too great and to simply just release
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: extra maple syrup out into the world would you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: decrease demand and increased supply, thus dropping the price. So
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to do that. But they just got
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: all this giant stock and maple syrup just sitting there.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So they're thinking that maybe they were trying to look
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  Speaker 1: at a way of getting rid of this overflow stock
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  Speaker 1: and collect some insurance money on top of it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So there's this big like thing going around where people
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: are talking about maybe this was actually a thing that
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  Speaker 1: the Federation did try and pull off.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't know what the shelf life of maple
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  Speaker 2: syrup is.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's pretty long, is it. I'm not too sure
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  Speaker 1: what it is exactly. Well, I know it's like because
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the sugar content's so high, right right, it basically like
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: most bacteria just can't survive in it, Like honey doesn't
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: have a shelf life because of the sugar content, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I know that it's similar with maple syrup. But I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: know it does have a shelf life.
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  Speaker 2: Huh. So very interesting. I wouldn't actually that's I wouldn't
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: put it past them that they.
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  Speaker 1: Were involved, well, especially considering by the sounds of what
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: they've done previously, like just overthrowing everyone warning this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: They sound like shady characters.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a way of ensuring that you get
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: some of these people in this black market cartel for
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: maple syrup arrested as well, and off your back and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: selling maple syrup where you could be taking it and
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  Speaker 1: selling it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of getting an insurance money. You're also getting rid
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  Speaker 1: of these basically people who are working against you. Yeah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's a win win if they were.
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  Speaker 2: Involved, Yeah, but no one knows.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: No one knows officially or for sure. So to wrap
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: this all up, we do have the individuals who were
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: charged in the case. Richard Valierez, who was the accused ringleader,
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  Speaker 1: was sentenced in April twenty seventeen to eight years in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: prison plus a nine point million dollar fine with an
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: extension to fourteen years in prison if the fine is
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: not paid.
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  Speaker 2: Holy Okay, that's actually crazy though. Fourteen years nine million
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: dollars like that just seems on a scale not balanced.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: But did he have that kind of money? No?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Oh maybe if he got away with his.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Whole heist, Yeah, then he would have for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Raymond Valierez, Richard's father, was convicted of possession.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Oh you got his pops involved. Eh.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not too sure what that possession was. Maybe
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: it's just possession of drugs. I don't fucking know, But
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: clearly there was a warrant out for being able to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: search their property. They found something. Whether it was the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: maple syrup or fucking cocaine, Apparently either one is enough
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to be convicted at this point Etienne Saint Pierre. He
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: was a New Brunswick based syrup reseller, so clearly he's
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: buying and such, right, A Vic? Carry on? A Karen Vic. Karen,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like I said, the I don't know how to say
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: these names. He's the one I was talking about earlier
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: whose wife owned the property.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, was the wife involved too, not as far
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: as I know, interesting, Okay, the so he was that.
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  Speaker 1: The insider whose wife was involved, and he was sentenced
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  Speaker 1: to five years in prison plus a one point two
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  Speaker 1: million dollar fine.
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  Speaker 2: Woo.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And Sebastian Jutrus, who was a trucker involved in the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: transport of the syrup he served eight months in prison.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Not really that long of sentences, not really, but I
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: mean it's not like murder or anything was involved.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like I don't know, Yeah, it's money. Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you're doing some bad shit. But yeah, no one's dead.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Or hurt, which is good, which is good.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But like I said, it does cut deep for the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Canadian nation.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm you probably said this story when when did
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: this happen? What years?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: That was between twenty eleven and twenty twelve, so.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Not very long. Curiously, not that long ago? Was this
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: shit not all over the news? Where was I living
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: under a rock?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Apparently? I don't remember this being on the news. I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: only heard of this case a few years ago.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, what the hell was I doing then?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I would have been Oh, I would have been in school.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I probably didn't give a shit about anything except my degree.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. Huh wait, twenty twelve. I'm trying to think now,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: m Yeah, I don't.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Know, because, yeah, that's really not that long ago, really
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But that's the great Canadian maple syrup.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: W Yeah, it wasn't that interesting, right?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get a little bit off that murderous track,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: even though this is very skeevy and like I said,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: just fucking horrendous for our nation, a little bit more
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: lighthearted than what we were doing. Yep. And then my
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: next episode, let's go right into some fucking gruesome shit.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm like, what can I do to them
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: next time? I'm like thinking, in my head, here.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: See how we can just make this just derail every time,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: just this roller coaster of what the fuck is happening?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I was actually searching today what I'm gonna do.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Next time, and do you know what you're gonna do.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I have a few ideas because I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: said I would do a non Canadian one, right, yep,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So I have a couple ideas. I was even like, man,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: maybe I should just fuck them right up and do
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: non Canadian and like an unsolved one. But I might
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: not go that far. I might not go that far.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I think for my next one, I might actually see
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: if I can pull off from our suggested list from
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: our listeners.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: There is one on that suggested list I really want
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's the same one.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: It might be the same one.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Well we'll find out find out, yeah, yeah, when we
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: get to that. But next time it's going to be you.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So until we can hear your next episode, make sure
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you guys stay wicked.