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#334 - For Azeroth!: "Get a Grip" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Dear Deaf Knights, we don't need to give you a raid buff because
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you have grip that makes some fights exceptionally easy and is
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required in others. Also, we're removing Abomination
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limb because we feel like it's too powerful and it's limiting
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our design space. Also on this raid, no grips lol.
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Victory for the Forsaken, for Lauderon for the Karen Tour, for
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Pandaria. For calendar.
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To the burning region for Gilnaeus or has not died, for
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the Lich King, for the Sindora, for the Alliance, for the Horn
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for Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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another episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny,
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AKA the true villain Manny, and joining me, my other fellow
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Canadian on this day after Canada Day, Sean.
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Hello Sean, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been
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treating you? Hey hey Manny, Warcraft's been
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great. I got to fill in for tank for
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our mythic re clear this week, so we I got to tank mugsy.
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And this is my second time tanking galliwicks.
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Both went really well. Mugsy.
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I think we got it after two poles.
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And I only made a mistake once on the very first pole.
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I forgot a shield wall and a bomb, but that went really
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smooth. Yeah.
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So Warcraft's been great. And then just doing the the
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collector's bounty. I can't wait for all of these
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free mounts to come rolling in and or for me to decide that
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it's ruined the game and quit for League of Legends because I
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have cringe takes. I can't gonna go.
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I can't decide which way it's gonna go.
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I don't know. We'll figure it out, but yeah, I
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guess you know, my PvP streaming career ended and I figured I
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should probably hate on Warcraft now and and all of these fun
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events. Sorry.
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I mean, that really is a good segue as we're going to get into
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our first story, which is starting with the reset this
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week. We are now in July.
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And so World of Warcraft, all the legacy content, that is
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stuff that is before Dragonflight has gotten a boost
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for any raid or dungeon, the transmog that drops have been
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basically doubled. And for stuff that has rare
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chance, the mounts, pets, they have been given an additional 5%
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additive chance drop, which in some cases, because some of
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these mounts have like a .5% drop chance, that is 10 times
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the chance to get your hands on one of those mounts that you've
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always been after. And so it has definitely
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reinvigorated the community, I would say in a generally fun
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way. I love going to these old world
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dungeons. Like I'm, I'm trying to make my
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runs on Strathome, trying to get my mount off of Rivendare.
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It's not dropping, but it's cool to see a bunch of people in
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front of the instance where before that would have been a
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ghost town. I think it's, it's generally
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reinvigorating people. I've had friends who have
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stepped away from the game. They're like kind of wanted to
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sub back for a month, see if I could get some of that sort of
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stuff. And yeah, like there have been
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some people who have gotten incredibly lucky.
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I've seen some people reporting that what, we're now two days in
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and some people have gotten 4 new mounts and enough to those
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people, jealous. And some people who have not
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been so lucky and now claim this entire thing is broken and
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bugged. Yeah.
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So where do you sit on that spectrum, John?
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I well, I ran sepulchre once. I'm not a mount guy.
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I don't I don't really care about mounts.
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I get them through the course of rating because they come with
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rating, but I don't really go. The only mount that I went out
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and haunted for and farmed was invincible when I came back to
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the game and it only took me like 10 tries and I got them And
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then sorry to all those send your.
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Hate mail too. And then the the paladin class
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hall mount, I went and like specifically searched that out
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because I think it's probably my favorite class hall mount.
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But other than that, I don't really.
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I'm not a mount farmer. I just, I get them because I
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raid and that's it for me. I know there are people who love
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mounts and some because they love the way the mounts look and
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they want to fly around in different mounts all the time.
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And some just because they want to see that number go up.
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And in either case, I'm happy for them that this event exists.
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I am making like a bandit with the trans mug.
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I'm more of a trans mug person, so I've been running through the
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old dungeons. It's also low key.
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This is actually a tip that came from our discord from Nathan and
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the discord that it's actually kind of lucky a good way to make
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some gold because so much stuff is dropping in these dungeons.
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You can run like the shadow land raids and and make a little bit
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of bank from it. And if you have a month of doing
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this, it's a good way to build up some some currency before the
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next patch comes out. So even if you're not into trans
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mug or mounts it's like a a decent raw gold farm because
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they're dropping like 4 times the amount of loot or something
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or two times. It's a lot of loot.
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My bags filled before I killed rye.
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I did sepulchre. The first ones I had empty bags
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before I killed Rygol on, they were full so definitely worth
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giving it a shot. This is a Blizzard sneaky way of
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getting people to purchase the grizzly bear mount so they can
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like venture stuff along the way.
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No, it's not. Understandable bastard.
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That's it. This whole thing was a scam,
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Manny. The whole thing was a Blizzard
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plot. How dare they?
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Yeah, and I do. I mean, I I have seen the takes
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on Twitter and I am one particularly egregious video
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that came out from a former YouTube content creator or or
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Blizzard Warcraft content creator that was fairly well
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liked at the time. And now I haven't seen a good
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take from them in years. But anyway, and I don't get it.
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I don't understand like people are like, oh man, I farmed this
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mount out and it took me 700 runs and it's it's bullshit that
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somebody else gets it after one try and and and first of all,
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it's an RNG drop mount. Relax, pal, You had no skill
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involved in that. You one shot these bosses.
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Second of all, you don't know, like it could be somebody else
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who has been farming a boss for years who finally gets that drop
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and you know what good for them. And even even if it is somebody
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who it's their first time in the dungeon and their first time in
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the rain and that they their first time killing it and they
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get it also good for them 'cause it's just a, it's just pixels
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man. It's a video game.
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People gotta stop tying their sense of self worth.
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The a number on data for Azeroth.
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If you're not number one, you're not good.
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Anyway. What is world 10,000?
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I'm world, I'm world 470,000. Like, great.
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I'm happy for you. Listen.
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Listen. Wait to be mid.
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Listen, I I get, I get. I don't want to do some of that.
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I don't want to diminish, I want to diminish the accomplishments
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of people on data for other. I'm sure world rank 475th 1000
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is really good, but if you're not source collecting, you're
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not really collecting. So get.
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Over I mean that person who's like world 4000 something could
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also be NA 500, right? You.
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You don't know. That's right, right?
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But also, I think that, yeah, there's there's definitely
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different types of collectors. There's definitely people who
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have their reasons for it. Maybe it was like, oh, they were
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rating at that time and they ended up not being able to like
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be there when their team finished.
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And by the time they came back, they just wanted that amount to
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like, remember that time of the team or whatever story it it, it
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is like people have all sorts of different reasons.
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I don't think that it is right for people to be elitist about
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it. You're, you are 100% right
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there. If somebody gets amount that you
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have, it doesn't diminish the amount that you have.
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If somebody is sparked to get into collecting mounts by this
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great, join the forazer off discord.
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We've got a number of people who are like always chasing chasing
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mounts, and it's just fun to like share in the
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accomplishments like oh man, you got that mount.
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That's great. Wow.
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You now have gotten every mount from this expansion.
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What an accomplishment. One person on Blue Sky had
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posted and said that they now have every mount from Island
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Expeditions, which was unaffected by this.
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But like, that's such a accomplishment for for like, you
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know mount farming is about patience and perseverance,
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right? You are going to have to run
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that those numbers until RNG smiles in your favor.
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I'm sure there could be an entire episode about like
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getting those speed sets and knowing how to do the skips and
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stuff. It it's it is something that is
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akin to any part of the game where people are going to find
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the optimization for it know like the fastest way to get
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around the world to do their do their farms.
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And so I don't want to, I don't want to knock the time and
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effort that some people put into it.
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But at the end of the day, yeah, it is pixels.
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It is something that you do for your own enjoyment, just like
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any part of the the game. If you are a world first Raider
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and you have now completed the next raid, the first in the
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world, like I'm hoping that that is something that you will
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cherish the memory of and be happy about.
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I don't think that somebody outside of the World of Warcraft
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will care as much, and so just just enjoy your victory for what
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it is. Yeah, I want to clarify my my
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Oprah's there 'cause I am. I do think that it is a good
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event. If you're somebody who collects
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mounts for the joy of collecting mounts and you're proud of your
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mounts and you're happy for your mounts and you haven't written
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A7 page dissertation on Twitter about why this is ruining the
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game, I'm happy for you. I will celebrate your successes.
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But if your take is that Blizzard is giving mounts away
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for free and this ruins the game and these people haven't earned
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it, actually saw somebody write they haven't earned it, and that
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makes me. So anyway, if you're one of
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those people, they're pixels in the game and what you've
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accomplished means nothing. I'm glad to have two feelings
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about this. You're taking it too seriously
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is what is what you're trying to say.
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OK, understand, I did have this idea of like they them doing
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mounts like I think it's a great time for it.
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It's definitely reinvigorated the game for sure with this,
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this mount hunting slash, not just mount hunting, but like
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trans monk hunting pets and all of that.
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The collector's bonus has definitely reinvigorated the
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game. Like none of the other stuff
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that has come in this patch entirely right?
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Or the last stuff since the beginning of the tier.
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I think this single handedly is better than anything we got in
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1.5 and I I'd argue it's the best thing we've gotten in 1.7
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or sorry 11 point 1.7. It's up there like we right now
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are in like this glut of content and it's it feels nice like I
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log in and it's like I can do turbulent time ways if I want.
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I can frame out crests for upgrades and finish off my turbo
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boosts on some alts. I can go and park in Dornigal
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and wait every hour to kill a goblin.
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I can interact, which is where I am right now and you will see me
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at Ravager in about 3 minutes and or I can go and run old
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content. It's great.
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I did see somebody complain like, oh, we have too much to
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do. And it's like, I, I don't want
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to hear you complain that we had nothing to do at eleven 1.5 and
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then complain when they give us the exact thing we said they
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should have done for it, like give us all the content at once.
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And, and that's basically what they did.
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We had to wait two weeks, I think for this Diablo event.
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But yeah, it's, it feels great. And it does like this is we're
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in, we're starting to hit summer.
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People are taking their summer breaks.
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Raid teams are taking their raid breaks.
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They haven't given us a date yet, but everybody is like
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champing at the bit for for 11.2 and they're ready to go PTR.
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This just feels like you're right 100%.
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It's like let's log in, let's go from some old mounts, let's run
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some old raids and fund. This is a hot tip for you.
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This is an an add on made by keyboard Turner called token
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Manager, token transmogs, token transmogs.
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And if you install this add on, when you get a token that can be
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used by multiple different classes for tier loot, if you
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hover over it, it tells you which of those classes you've
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already obtained that transmog for.
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So when you go back and run your old chattelands raids, as I'm
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sure everybody's doing right now for that Salonis mount and that
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Jailer mount, it's a really good way to find out.
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OK, does my Death Knight have this to help organize which
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tokens? Because you're going to dump
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them in your war bag. I definitely recommend grabbing
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that. It's very low maintenance.
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It's very light, light on the system.
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You just hover over it and it tells you collected or not
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collected. And I love it.
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It's way like I find all the things to be super unwieldy.
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It's like trying to learn a different language.
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So definitely grab that and go get your trans mug.
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Sure. I mean like the fact that you
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find all the things to be a different language, which I
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would agree from my perspective, just goes to show you how deep
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the collector's rabbit hole goes.
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That said, you also mentioned that everybody's chomping on the
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bid for 11.2, and that is our next story.
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Because you and I have been on the PTR, we've tested some of
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the bosses on Heroic and you have gone through and tested all
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the bosses that are available on Normal.
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So as we had said last episode, they had the testing for Heroic
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scheduled for last week. Unfortunately, when Thursday
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rolled around, they had a huge issue and were unable to conduct
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test testing on that day and so have have had to cancel testing
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on that day and we'll be rescheduling those those fights
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for a later point. I'm gonna they did reschedule
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it. I'd like to start with that
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before we talk about the RAID specific, I think I would like
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to talk about the raid scheduling and how not great it
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is. Yeah, yeah.
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Let let let me open up the floor for you.
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Go ahead and talk about that. OK.
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So they, like you mentioned, they cancelled Thursday's first
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3 heroic grade testing last week because of character transfer
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issues and they said we reschedule it.
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There is no testing for this week because the 4th of July is
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in two days. And I imagine they probably
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already had some idea of the layoffs and they were sort of
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hesitant to schedule anything around those 2 events.
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So they have come out and said that they are rescheduling that
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those first 3 Heroic for Wednesday next week, which means
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it's three hours on Wednesday next Thursday is 3 the the same
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3 on Mythic. So I guess we're gonna, we're
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gonna test them on they're gonna test them on Heroic on Thursday.
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Give feedback, have that feedback immediately read,
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analyzed and actioned upon for Thursday's raid when they
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commode in Mythic. And then Friday we have 4 the
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four bosses that we tested last Friday on Mythic and then Raid
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Finder over the weekend and it's 10 hours of raid testing in the
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middle of the week is a lot. They're friendly EU times, so
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you'll see a lot of EU testers. They're very unfriendly NA times
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if you have a job. But that's the point because
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when they're but like, like I know, I know people always go
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like, why did they test in the middle of the day?
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It's because they're do it's their job.
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So they're doing it at work. They're not going to schedule it
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after hours for themselves. So they.
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So. They schedule it so they can
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watch the raid, get the feedback immediately and like monitor
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stuff like that's why it's in the middle of the day.
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For That's a good point. That's a good point.
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OK, All right, Fair enough. Fair enough.
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So it's a lot of raid testing next week I'll be doing.
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I'll do all of it. I will be there.
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Oh, actually, I won't be there for Wednesday because we're
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camping until Wednesday. I'll probably miss Wednesday.
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I'll have to figure that out. Anyway, yeah, it's a lot of raid
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testing next week. But the raid already looks
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pretty good. So my hope is that the raid
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testing will go fairly smoothly because not a lot of the bosses
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need a lot of work. Yeah.
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OK, so let's go into the bosses themselves again.
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Because of the cancellation of the testing on last Thursday,
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we've only been able to test the 4th to 7th boss.
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Is that correct? Yeah, 4th to 7th boss on Heroic,
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and then the 1st through to the 7th boss on Normal.
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And of course, the last boss, the eighth boss, Dementias is
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not going to be tested. That is going to be something
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that the teams will have to go in blind when the raid opens,
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other than, of course, the dungeon journal.
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So what did you think of the first boss?
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I've seen some videos. I've, I've taken a look at the
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dungeon journal myself. Seems like, you know, that basic
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sort of introductory boss, nothing too too serious.
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You're you have like a tank Buster that you wanna like drop
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the puddle off the way and then the raid themselves get smaller
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puddles that they wanna drop off over the way.
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And of course, this is the first fight where you wanna use the
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cloak. So what what was it like
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actually going through it rather than me?
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Just like looking at how various streamers succeeded or struggled
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with it. As far as first bosses go, I
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think it's decent Mechanics are not too complex.
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The boss isn't too hard. Run the circles out.
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There's there's a run the circles out mechanic for DPS,
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there's a run the circle out mechanic for tanks and there's a
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stack stack mechanic for the whole raid.
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And then you dodge everything during intermission.
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And as you mentioned, it shows shows off the cloak.
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Very straightforward. I I will say the visuals are are
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good. I don't know if it's
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intentional, but it seems like they've started using for soaks.
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There's like a a line coming off the top of the circle, so the
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the circles that drop puddles you want to run out are just
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flat circles under the players. And this is specific to this
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boss. I actually now that I am
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thinking of this, I want to go back through and look at the
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other soaps and see if they run the same pattern.
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So the circles that are flat on the ground, the players run them
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out. It's very simple, it's very
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accessible. Everything on normal fell over.
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We were stealed to 468 in normal and we one shot everything
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except for the last two. And the so the second to last we
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had one wipe, the last box we had one wipe and that's at 468.
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If if you're, I guess if you're at, if you're a normal rating
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Guild, I don't know what your writing level is 'cause I have
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no idea what normal rating guilds are like.
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But if you're an AOTC Guild or better at this point, then
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you've engaged with turbo boost at all.
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You're going to go into this raid already like almost 20 item
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levels higher than the raid drops on normal 'cause I'm 4,
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I'm, I'm, I'm 684 on both my characters, my AOTC Druid and my
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warrior, who is CE are both 684. And this yeah.
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Anyway, it's, it's it was fairly easy, fairly straightforward,
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but I like that in the first boss.
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It's good. It should show off that cloak.
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None of the bosses after that need the cloak except for
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dementias. I believe you have to have it
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for dementias and maybe the second last boss.
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Oh, and traversing through the place because there's cosmic
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radiation that kills you. So that's why you have to have
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the cloak on. But no, it's for a good first
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boss. I think it'll be a nice warm up
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to the raid. And yeah.
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Oh, and I do want to. So as we go through each boss,
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because Blizzard has made a really big deal about telling
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Death Knights we're not giving you a raid buff because Grip is
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your raid buff. Oh no.
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Grips your whiff. This isn't that first fight.
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And yeah, so I just want to go through each boss as we do it
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and talk about the grip. So Plexus Sentinel, that's the
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first boss. There are no ads, zero ads in
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the boss. Grip serves no purpose.
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There is an ad in Myth. There is a single ad in Mythic.
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We don't know how that's going to look yet, but it's the first
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boss of the raid. I doubt that we're going to make
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Death Knights a mandatory class for the first boss in the raid
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with that grip. If the AD is even gripable, we
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don't know. OK.
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All right. Yeah.
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That's the first boss plus the Sentinel.
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So from the first boss, no benefit for grip got.
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It we'll, we'll, we'll keep that notch we're at we're at one out
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of eight or sorry, zero out of eight so far.
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Zero out of eight. So then from there you can go to
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one of two bosses. Which boss would you like to
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talk about first? Let's do Lumothar next, which is
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the moth Silk generating moth. That looks like a spider.
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I don't know why people call it a moth.
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It has no wings, but they're calling it a moth.
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I guess it makes them feel better.
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Yeah. And this one hangs in the
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ceiling. Again, Another one.
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Good fight. Very simple as a second boss
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goes. It's it's nice.
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Mechanics are easy to understand.
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There's a tank so that he puts a ring around you have a web ring
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around you that slowly constricts in.
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You break the wall with the tenors that beam the tanks get,
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you break the wall with that. Think Aeronaut from the first,
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the first fight of all the incarnates, very similar to
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that. So the tank breaks the wall with
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his beam and the beam is kind of like Hollanders if you remember
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where you would have to hit the orbs to make them DPS able.
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It's it's just like that beam comes in and he connects players
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to him with a spindle. If you get connected with a
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spindle, you jump away, you go 40 yards, it breaks, that's P1.
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That just sort of rinse and repeats.
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You break a wall, you get out of the wall 'cause then it
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explodes. And then in P2 he actually I
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have a hard time with this fight.
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I have a hard time with all of the fights against like animal
23:29
type creatures because I just feel really bad killing them.
23:33
Like think of the turtle in think it's thrown out of
23:35
Thunder. That turtle you read the story
23:37
for that turtle. It's just a regular turtle that
23:39
got stuck in the wall. Yep.
23:41
And we kill it. Yep like he got stuck in the
23:45
wall, he couldn't get out and the other little creatures of
23:47
the area would bring him food so that he could eat and survive
23:50
and then we show up and we murder him.
23:54
This thing is used. They they make the wraps.
23:57
The ethereal wraps are made from this thing silk, so they're like
24:00
feeding it and keeping it there to to make their wraps.
24:03
It doesn't seem like they're mistreating it.
24:04
It doesn't seem like it's, you know what I mean?
24:06
And and like. They needed to live forever.
24:09
They needed to live forever. Yeah.
24:10
So we get there and then we we fight it and like the P2 is we
24:15
cut it from the ceiling and it it's body is detached and it
24:20
falls to the ground and it's dragging its body along, chasing
24:24
you while it's inner just spill out behind it and fill the room
24:27
with puddle. And then it shoots A frontal at
24:29
you that is a soak. And then that's your your soft
24:32
and rage as the room gets filled with goo as you kite it around
24:35
eating the soap, moving around the room.
24:37
It's it's really sad fight. I got it.
24:42
So the fight mechanics are fine. If this was a person, if we were
24:45
fighting a person and cutting a person in half and dragging them
24:47
around, that would be great. Or if it was like.
24:49
More of a mess or something, yeah, but it's just I wouldn't
24:53
feel like such a horrible person I.
24:55
I mean, they do this all the time in like Metroid Prime.
24:58
You like come across some like weird mutated creatures.
25:00
It's like, and you're like, I have no problem taking those
25:03
down. Those things are abominations.
25:05
Why do they have to make this one all furry and cuddly?
25:08
Just make me feel like a monster.
25:10
Yeah, I was the same with Rational.
25:12
Found out the story of ration on that.
25:13
It was like corrupted by the black blood and brainwashed and
25:16
it didn't realize that it was like this caring mother
25:19
creature. Anyway, you know, I should look
25:24
into somebody in there has some trauma issues.
25:28
But now this fight's a good fight too.
25:30
A good second fight. A lot of fun visually, very easy
25:34
to understand. Mechanics are good.
25:36
So far no week or is needed for any of these fights.
25:40
And then grip count. There are 0 adds in any
25:44
difficulty for Luma thar so we are at zero of two bosses for
25:48
death knight. Grip is your raid buff count.
25:51
OK, All right. So if you decided to go the
25:55
other way instead of doing that second, you could have opted for
25:59
the for another boss to be second, and I believe that's
26:04
Void Weaver. No, the other way is soul
26:07
binder. So yeah, they they're they're
26:12
Soul Binder, Void Weaver, they're interchangeable anyways,
26:14
this injury. That's right.
26:18
Yeah. So, yeah, Soul Binder in his
26:21
injury is another fun fight. All of the fights in the right
26:24
are fun. There's a boss and there's like
26:27
you actually talked about Metroid.
26:28
There's like the Metroid cages, or if you saw the Yeah, the test
26:32
tubes. The boss shoots beams.
26:35
This, this mechanics are very simple.
26:37
So there's those test tubes around the room.
26:39
The boss will will shoot beams, targeted players.
26:42
You put your beams through through the test tubes.
26:44
When it when that happens, it breaks it and there's a soul
26:48
inside an ad inside you have to kill.
26:50
You'll move the boss onto it to DPS it down because those ads
26:53
are not grippable. When you break the cage with the
26:57
beam, the ad that spawns is not grippable.
27:01
And then there's also stars that get put on the players that
27:04
shoot out from you. It's like a 5 point star or a
27:06
six point star when it shoots beams.
27:08
When you get that you just run away from the group so that it
27:10
shoots and the rest of the group can dodge it.
27:12
Rinse and repeat. If you don't break a test tube
27:15
with the beam, the test tube will spawn an ad that is
27:19
grippable but also that has an aggro table and could just be
27:22
taunted and will run to the tank.
27:25
But they are empowered, so you want to make sure that you are
27:28
killing them before the boss releases them.
27:32
Yeah, yeah, that's the goal. But you don't need a grip for
27:37
those ads because they're going to come to the tank.
27:40
This fight is good in higher difficulties.
27:42
It's going to be a case of deciding which ads you want to
27:47
allow to spawn and be empowered and which ads you want to make
27:50
sure that we have to break these again, No, I don't think we'll
27:54
be any like mandatory calculation.
27:56
We gores for this. Very easy to understand
27:59
visually. Not a lot going on in these
28:03
first 3 bosses because we we have talked on the show how I
28:06
would like to see Blizzard show us hey, we can design fights
28:10
that are fun, engaging and mechanical, mechanically
28:12
challenging without their use of the requirement for add-ons.
28:16
So far, all three of these check those boxes.
28:18
We'll see what they feel like on Mythic, but so far all three of
28:21
these check those boxes and I've enjoyed them up to this point.
28:26
Yeah, my fear with this boss is that the on higher difficulties,
28:33
the time that that you have to like move behind the the pillars
28:39
will be very quick that you'll need to you'll need to release
28:45
particular ones like let's say in order to do it.
28:49
And that would be if they didn't like that where you had to
28:54
release certain ones in a very specific order, that's Ovanex.
28:56
So I'm hoping that they don't do that if.
29:01
The test tubes are the same spawn every time.
29:05
If it's like this one is always an assassin and this one is
29:07
always a mage, that's easier because then you could just pre
29:10
position the boss and say we're going to break this one, we're
29:13
going to break this one and it doesn't matter who it goes on
29:15
because there's a limited number of beams going on.
29:19
Like oven acts was tough because there was 8 going on at a time
29:22
and you needed two per egg to break.
29:24
As long as they don't make it so that you need 2 per test tube to
29:27
break type thing, then they can avoid that.
29:29
But that is they could very like.
29:32
That is a very valid concern, because the mythic version of
29:35
this can very easily be oven acts like.
29:38
Yeah, yeah. But I do.
29:41
So far I've, I've loved these bosses.
29:43
I do like the variety in the environments.
29:47
The poor PITA issue is a very beautiful environment, kind of
29:54
reminds me of like the right half of a mirror dressal, like
29:59
green, but like structured. And then of course, we've got
30:04
the intake, which is very I don't want to say broker.
30:11
What's the other one? I'm I'm blanking on their name.
30:15
Ethereal, very ethereal set up with the with the Big Mac that
30:19
you're dealing with. And then of course, the test
30:21
tube to fight lavish and I like it all right from there.
30:26
Now that you've gone through the first three, you then get kicked
30:30
out of the facility and wait, no, we got one more before you
30:36
kicked out. Kicked out?
30:37
Yeah. Yeah.
30:38
All right, so let's go for the fourth boss, which is the first
30:40
one that we both that we've both been able to test on normal and
30:43
heroic. Go ahead and talk about this.
30:46
Yeah, so this is Forge, Weaver, Eraz or Eraz, another fun fight
30:53
and one that does have ads, but that currently have 0
30:57
requirement for grips because the ads are spawned either in a
31:02
set location and then tangible, or they're spawned on player
31:06
locations and then you can just decide where they go and you
31:10
don't need specifically adk grip for them because Ursules would
31:14
work, Frost Nova would work, Typhoon would work, all of the
31:18
other things would work. Roots slow totems.
31:21
So this starts with one boss. You tank him, he's going to mark
31:24
players, they're going to drop ads.
31:26
You want to drop them on the boss because they're going to
31:28
try and walk to these collector machines.
31:31
If they get to it, there's a big damage explosion.
31:33
You just nuke them down under the boss with slows and AOE.
31:36
And then he'll put a soap mechanic on and I think the soap
31:39
mechanic has that same up animation on it.
31:43
I think it does. I'll go back and look at our
31:44
footage and you just pull that a little bit.
31:46
On normal, normally you just stack all of this in the middle
31:49
of the room and just go ham because none of it matters.
31:52
On Heroic, you have to separate that ad from the boss because
31:55
they shield and empower themselves when they're too
31:57
close. So you just separate it a little
31:59
bit, soak it again you're and then it becomes the priority.
32:03
Are the little ads up their first priority?
32:05
Is there a big ad up that second priority?
32:07
Are both of those clear? Then we focus the boss, that's
32:11
the main phase, and then Phase 2 is when you're DPS ING down the
32:14
collector machines that him and his echoes are empowering.
32:17
When you break the first one, it spawns 2 new ads.
32:20
You pull them together onto the next pillar, which you nuke
32:23
down, then you pull them together onto the last pillar,
32:25
and then you're done. Tanks are swapping those as you
32:27
go through because they get increased damage.
32:30
That repeats again, so you get the first phase back and then
32:33
you get the second phase again where it's all the same.
32:35
And then the last phase is when things get really fun.
32:38
His soft and rage. He creates a giant black hole at
32:41
one end of the room that starts slowly trying to suck the
32:45
players in. And as the timer goes on, it
32:49
fills up more of the room and that suck gets more intense.
32:53
So you're like pulling the boss away from that end and trying to
32:56
fight against it. And that was a lot of fun.
32:59
It was a really neat and rage timer.
33:01
I don't think I've seen anything like that before.
33:03
With the floor getting filled, I don't think there's been a
33:06
combination of the like force movement and the floor getting
33:09
filled, but the floor getting filled has been done before.
33:13
I don't think force movement as a enraged timer has ever been
33:16
done before. And it is so thematically cool
33:20
that it's like, all right, crack, crack the containment
33:23
unit and now the the void is going to like suck everybody
33:27
into nothingness. So I think it is it is one of
33:31
the coolest in Rage they've done and the second best in Rage has
33:36
done in this raid for sure. The second best are you going to
33:42
think? Do you like the next bosses as
33:45
the best? I like the next bosses the best.
33:48
I do think that the switch up from normal to heroic is
33:51
actually kind of elegant where in normal they have one, one of
33:58
the pylons on the right, one of the pylons on the left.
34:01
And so you can sort of just pull it towards the the entrance and
34:05
DPS everything there. On heroic, it's a triangle.
34:10
And so you have to like stay somewhat in the middle of them
34:13
to keep the keep them all under control.
34:15
And I think that's a. That's a very elegant way of
34:18
increasing the difficulty without just being like they
34:20
move faster or something like. Yeah.
34:23
But I will say, even though we have still not necessary that we
34:28
use grips, DKS that can slow anything in their death and
34:34
decay, that is quite good in this in this fight.
34:39
And I think it's only blood Death nights, yeah.
34:42
Those are the blood death nights, which don't typically
34:44
have a problem getting into raids.
34:46
I I just think that if they had the like slappy hands it'd be
34:51
too strong. Like just be like.
34:53
It would be like a very prolonged vortex where vortex
34:57
only pulls them in once, slappy hands continuously pulls back.
35:00
I would agree with that if more than three spawned at a time.
35:07
If they spawned only on 2 minute cycles, which is the cooldown of
35:11
grippy hands, and if all of the other slow mechanics didn't also
35:17
do the exact same thing that those like you're you're a
35:20
shaman, just bring earth bind totem or earth grab whichever 1
35:24
slows them and doesn't root them.
35:26
That's gonna be just as good as the death and decay, and you can
35:29
do more damage. Dude the the earth bind totem
35:34
not only roots them, but when they break the root they're
35:36
still slowed. It's just.
35:38
It's just better. It's just better.
35:40
Like there's no, you know what I mean?
35:41
Like and you mentioned Ursuls, we drop in Ursuls binding shot
35:44
from from hunter. We'll hold them in.
35:46
Like there are so many ways to deal with, like even with a bomb
35:50
limb, a once every two-minute cooldown, which I think I'm the
35:55
last. Of a bomb limb so.
35:57
It's only like 12 seconds yeah and it only pulled like there's
36:02
an internal cooldown as well. So the last wave, each wave of
36:05
ad spawns 3 more spawns. So it's three spawn on the first
36:09
set, 6 spawn on the second set, 9 spawn in the last set
36:12
intermission. Even on that last one like a
36:15
bomb limb will only pull a mob. I think it's once every 3
36:18
seconds. There's like an internal
36:20
cooldown before to pull the same mob again.
36:21
Yeah. So it wouldn't even get through
36:23
all nine of the mobs pulling them in in the time before it it
36:27
ran out. I don't know, I just feel like
36:30
if this is the fight that they're going to point to and
36:32
say, hey, we couldn't do this fight if everyone existed, I'm
36:35
going to call you're. Going to call foul on that.
36:37
Hardcore shenanigans on. That understood, understood.
36:41
OK, so we're still at a solid 0 out of eight, and we are already
36:47
halfway through this raid. Yeah, let's get to boss #5 yeah.
36:53
Boss #5IS dope. So boss #5IS optional ish?
36:58
It drops to your hands and the boots that empower the cloak.
37:02
I don't know that's what raid team.
37:04
I don't know what raid team is skipping this boss, but I can
37:08
tell you neither of mine are. Actually wait wait, I will say
37:13
the scenario where I would skip this.
37:16
Everybody has got the the loot from this.
37:21
Oh wait, does the vault push loot from this?
37:24
Even if you if you do like further bosses, Boo Blizzard
37:27
boot. No, I have nothing for this
37:29
then. Yeah, I wouldn't.
37:32
So that is one reason is if everybody had all the loot, you
37:34
didn't need it, you would skip it.
37:35
But it's a fun fight, so maybe you wouldn't.
37:37
I notoriously hate council fights.
37:40
They're my least favorite type of fight in the raid.
37:42
This is a council fight and it was it's it's like if you think
37:47
of it's a combination of the council fight from Amir Dorsal
37:52
wherein Amir Dorsal 2 of the ads were untankable and just hopped
37:56
around like assholes. In this, only one of the demon
37:59
hunters is untankable and hops around like an asshole.
38:02
The other two are very tankable. So you'll spend the whole fight
38:04
chasing around the void esque Demon Hunter that may or may not
38:09
be teasing a new speck. And then the tank.
38:14
The vengeance Demon Hunter does fracture on the tank which
38:17
splits his souls. Somebody else has to collect
38:19
those souls before he spirit bombs and consumes them and does
38:22
a ton of damage. The other tankable tank, the
38:25
havoc one does an i-beam. That leaves a dot on the tank.
38:28
The tanks it so that's your swaps.
38:29
You swap on fracture and i-beam. I-beam also does a push back and
38:33
then the Havoc Demon Hunter does the hunt which will target a
38:37
player and you have to like make the distance between you and the
38:40
demon Demon Hunter as long as you can because every player in
38:44
that line of the hunt soaks the damage, reducing the damage you
38:48
take. It is it is a super, super cool
38:52
fight. It is a lot of fun.
38:54
And then they're ultimates at 100 energy each.
38:56
They have each of a different ultimate.
38:57
The Vengeance 1 sucks a bunch of orbs towards itself.
39:01
You have to soak the orbs before they get there.
39:03
The haddock one does a bunch of blade dance lines everybody look
39:06
like for rock blaze lines you're just like dodging lines and I
39:10
don't remember what the void 10 sorry I got that wrong.
39:12
Void 1 is the orbs he's pulling the orbs in the havoc.
39:16
The vengeance 1 jumps to a point in the room and does a front old
39:19
Feldev kind of like Morchi in dawn of the infinites.
39:25
And then so each one like hits their ultimate.
39:28
Then they come back and you fight again doing the same
39:29
mechanics, but it's they're staggered.
39:31
So they ultimate at different times, except they all sync up.
39:35
The enrage for the fight is all three of them doing their
39:37
ultimate all at the same time and it is insane.
39:41
It is a crazy enrage, but if you've killed one or two, then
39:45
you eliminate the ultimate, eliminate the ultimate you're
39:48
dealing with in the fight actually becomes like one that
39:50
you can finish off right at the death of the the mobs.
39:54
Like you can push through the ultimate a bit.
39:56
The the enrage timer. It's a it's a really well done
39:59
fight. And the whole thing is you're
40:01
doing the whole thing ringed in this green fell fire arena,
40:06
which currently doesn't do damage if you walk through it.
40:08
But hopefully they fix that so that it does or they make it
40:10
unwalkable through. It's great and we are definitely
40:14
getting there is no Dote in my mind.
40:17
A very popular streamer that I know a lot of us watch was
40:20
convinced that we're not getting a third deal in our respect
40:23
because they killed this on normal and it didn't unlock one.
40:27
And I got to tell you, I am. I am more certain than ever that
40:31
we are getting a third deal in higher spec after this fight.
40:34
I after doing this fight I think that is far more of a
40:38
possibility. I just would love if they did a
40:45
kind of like warlock green fire, just like succumb to the void
40:51
sort of sort of thing where you could give both specs or one of
40:56
the specs. Maybe this is just like a havoc
41:01
2 point O just like void versions of their abilities,
41:05
which would be so cool. But yeah, well, we will see what
41:10
comes of it. There is some of the local
41:14
stories that leads into the creation of this void Demon
41:18
Hunter so that this is like a second if a second encounter
41:26
that actually has story leading into it, which is very rare
41:30
these days for raids. But I I really think that that
41:34
in that in rage is so elegant and yet so final.
41:39
If all three of them are going off, No, you are not.
41:42
You are not surviving it. It's so good.
41:45
You're toast. There are no ads in any
41:47
difficulty and none of the demon owners are gripable.
41:50
Yes, all right. I need 2 seconds after you use
41:53
the watch them. Sure, 53 minutes.
41:56
Just hit the pause. All right, chat.
42:02
Looks like I am going to chat with you guys.
42:06
Hello, Nathan. Bacon bits.
42:10
Who else? We got an epidemi.
42:12
Epidemi. Happy birthday, bacon bits.
42:14
Happy birthday. Hey, we got swan.
42:17
Happy holidays and birthdays. Thank you, Nick.
42:21
One of the like the premier mount hunters.
42:29
What's this 15K alone today in gold that you guys have been
42:34
making pretty solid 3K every Wow.
42:40
OK, all right, that's some gold making.
42:43
I wasn't actually tracking the gold that I was making.
42:48
I know I left Sepulchre with like three or 4K in a run, so
42:58
that was pretty decent. And then Abedini saying big take
43:09
there from Sean. Oh, when he was when he was
43:12
lambasting people who are elitist about collections.
43:16
People are going to fear what they're, what they cherish.
43:22
Like it so much work put into it and now somebody's getting it
43:25
easier. But yeah, it's the same, the
43:27
same thing that we see with everything.
43:29
It's like, oh, you know, I had to live with cancer all my life.
43:33
It sucks that they're making a cure for it now anyways.
43:38
I'm back. I've been drinking so much water
43:42
and I just feel like I go to the bathroom way more now than I
43:45
ever used to. Yeah, it was 5318 to be
43:48
specific, and we're back now when it's 5512.
43:53
Put a marker for this other one. There we go.
43:57
All right, so let's get back to it.
44:00
So with the demon hunters behind us, we're still outside of the
44:05
zone, and we have another boss. This one's not optional, and
44:09
this one is actually my least favorite in terms of testing.
44:17
Give us the rundown. This is Fractalis, AKA the
44:22
Tarot, the Void Taros, AKA the Tetris boss.
44:27
It's a jacuzzi boss in the raid where he shoots a wave at
44:33
players, six players at a time, or sorry, three players at a
44:37
time, four players at a time. These waves make walls.
44:41
If 6 walls are stacked in a row in a channel towards him, he
44:45
enrages. He also shoots some players to
44:48
break walls. It works on a pattern of nine
44:53
walls to six breaks roughly. So you're always going to be
44:58
like getting slowly closer to that enrage where you just don't
45:01
have enough breaks to do it. And this is the first boss that,
45:07
if it goes live in the state that it is, I think will require
45:11
a computational week or A at the mythic level.
45:15
At the heroic level, it'll be Bigwigs or DBM assigning what
45:19
lanes to go to. And if that happens, I think it
45:23
takes what is potentially a fun boss to figure out and prog on
45:27
your own and makes it sort of trivial and boring.
45:31
But if they just are a, if they just tweak it a little bit.
45:41
So either the two things that my two biggest concerns are giving
45:45
us enough time between when you get marked to be placing a wall
45:51
and when that cast happens. And then changing the visual
45:54
indicator that says, because right now it's all white arrows
45:58
under at the boss's base and all you see is white arrows unless
46:03
you're marked with a break, then you see a red arrow, but all of
46:06
the other arrows are always white.
46:08
If they changed those markets, you don't want two people
46:11
putting walls in the same lane. But in when, when the brakes are
46:15
going out, when the brakes are going out, then you, you could
46:22
have two arrows in the same length as one of them is a
46:24
break. But right now there's no visual
46:26
way to know what the other people have.
46:28
So I would like to have us have that.
46:30
And the second concern. And the second way they they
46:32
could fix it is if we knew that in every set of four walls that
46:37
go out, one goes on a healer, one goes on a melee, 2GO on
46:42
ranged. If, and this is another fix that
46:44
could have done with the oven ax.
46:45
If you just if we just know that that is the pattern, then we
46:49
could just say this lane is the healer lane.
46:51
This lane is the melee lane, ranged go to those two lanes,
46:55
sort yourselves out between you at the end.
46:56
You know what I mean? Because right now what we did
46:58
and was working for us and worked on on normal and was
47:02
working on heroic, if it would have worked, if we had been
47:04
cleaner with, with what we were doing, we might.
47:07
We designated, there are 6 lanes.
47:10
We designated one lane as safe. So the lane that was in the
47:14
middle, there was three to the left of it, 2 to the right of
47:17
it. That lane is safe.
47:19
Nobody ever drops a wall in that lane.
47:20
The far left lane is the tank lane because the tank walls
47:23
happen on a different cadence than everybody else.
47:26
So both tanks stand in that lane.
47:28
The the walls go out, the off tank moves into the what we'll
47:34
call the healer lane or the melee lane, and then the tank
47:37
gets his. Then the off tank moves back
47:39
into that other lane. So that the, because if there's
47:41
ever two people in the lane at the same time, whether they're
47:43
marked or not, it's 2 walls. So you want one person per lane
47:48
when walls are happening and you don't want to double up walls
47:52
because it leaves a really nasty dot.
47:53
So if they, if we know going in that it's one healer, 1 melee, 2
47:57
range, they get these every time.
47:59
You don't need big bigs to assign it because you will just
48:02
hard assign. This is the healer lane this.
48:04
And then when a healer gets it, they go to the healer lane.
48:06
When a melee gets it, they go to the melee lane and then the
48:08
range. There's enough time for two
48:10
people to go right and figure out who's going where.
48:14
That fix would have worked with Ovanax as well, except that's
48:18
not what they did. So if it's entirely random who
48:21
gets the four markers per, then we're going to have to have a a
48:27
computational week or or bigwigs.
48:29
We are being asked. We are live streaming.
48:31
This is the second week in a row we've live streamed the show.
48:34
Chad did ask if I could elaborate how you wouldn't need
48:37
a week or a bigwigs how you wouldn't need it.
48:42
So that's how you wouldn't need it.
48:43
If we know that specific roles are being hired assigned each
48:48
wave that that eliminates the need for a weaker or big wigs.
48:53
And barring that, if there's just like a really long amount
48:56
of time in between, so you could manually do it.
49:00
That's that's my concern. I hope I hope that they do that.
49:04
If they do that, I think this fight has the potential to be
49:08
one of the best fights in the raid because I think the dance
49:12
you're safe, you move, you're safe, you move is really fun and
49:16
making sure you're assigning brakes is good as well.
49:20
Right now, the only way to see which walls are the thickest is
49:23
either to pan your camera behind you and look or there's a a beam
49:27
that comes from these crystals and each line of wall, that beam
49:31
gets longer and you can see that like at 3 walls from a in front
49:36
of a crystal. You can see that beam if you're
49:38
just with your camera behind yourself at a normal distance
49:41
looking at the boss, you know, OK, this this lane has three.
49:45
We have to put some brakes on that lane.
49:48
I really this is the this is going to be the boss that decide
49:51
that determines whether or not I believe they can move us into
49:54
this add on free world how they handle this.
49:57
And I really, really hope that they if as if you're listening,
50:02
I really hope that you consider some of those solutions.
50:05
I mean, I think all my concerns are similar.
50:09
I think that if they want to make it easy on normal, like put
50:14
out more brakes or have the brakes just completely clear
50:17
lane. So it's just like, oh, that
50:18
one's getting close, send the brake there, reset it entirely
50:22
and that would be fine for normal on the higher
50:25
difficulties. I think even at mythic
50:28
difficulty, it should just be like just make it a boss rush
50:33
where it's like, you know, when it's coming out, you have you
50:36
have to just beat a certain amount of DPS because by like a
50:41
very structured way it will one of the lanes will hit 6 by this
50:46
by this amount of time and the walls can be dealt with in the
50:49
exact same way every time. That to me would make it make it
50:53
easier. Another thing is like, yeah,
50:55
instead of it being like assigned by the boss, it like
51:00
some crystal, some crystal or some object drops that attracts
51:05
the beam and people know to grab that beam and run it over to
51:07
your place. Just some ways where it is more
51:11
predictable, more something that the team can assign and and deal
51:15
with rather than RNG. You have this long to get it
51:18
done, everybody run around with your heads cut off or get a weak
51:22
word to solve it for you. So yeah, I'm I'm there with you.
51:26
And then we did test together last week.
51:29
And that was a very quick, quick conclusion I'd come to where I'm
51:34
like, this is, this is the boss. That's most likely gonna be the
51:38
week or a test. Yeah, and for those of you
51:41
keeping track at home, there are 0 Ads in this fight.
51:44
Grip count remains zero of eight so far. 0 / / 6 also needs of
51:52
Death Knights. Also weird thing in this is that
51:56
the even though this is like a Pterodax boss sort of thing that
52:01
there's no boundless pit. Like you could like stand in his
52:05
hit box, you'll be hit by every single wave, but you're not
52:09
gonna die if you like, fear a lunge or charge in there, which
52:12
felt really strange to me. That's nice.
52:15
There was a lot of people demon hunting, like you're using the
52:18
hunt off of ledges or fell blading off ledges.
52:24
Yeah, it's pretty good. OK, all right, so we're, we're
52:29
now pretty deep in here. We've got two more bosses left.
52:33
Let's deal with the penultimate boss here.
52:38
I love this fight. I think it is absolutely
52:44
fantastic. I if this was the last fight of
52:47
the raid I'd be happy with it. I agree with that.
52:53
Nexus King Saladar, who we can only assume is related to Nexus
52:58
Princess Chiaveza, is a lot of fun.
53:04
It's kind of like Sarkarath meets Razzagath meets.
53:13
I don't have a third one, but it's a lot of fun.
53:15
There's three phases in the fight or two phases in an
53:17
intermission, I guess. Actually, I guess it's a phase,
53:21
intermission phase. Yeah, I'm going to say 3 phases
53:24
in an intermission. Well, depends on what you call
53:26
the AD phase, but it starts off. And again, in normal, in all of
53:31
these mechanics I'm going to describe, in normal you just
53:33
stack everybody in one spot and just do them all on top of each
53:36
other. But in Heroic, so the first
53:39
phase you have stacks of a debuff much like you had, I
53:42
think it's called Oathbound, much like you had with Cyrus
53:45
Denathrus, that you have to clear by getting hit by certain
53:47
mechanics in the phase before it ends.
53:51
And then if you don't, you get mind controlled.
53:53
And if you die, you get mind controlled and then you fight
53:57
your friends. So the mechanics are, you know,
54:00
it's a circle, so you'll split the rate into two.
54:02
If you did Guardian and Sepulchre, the first one,
54:04
Sepulchre of the first ones, it's very similar to that.
54:06
A tank's going to put a circle on Group A, another tank's going
54:09
to put a circle on Group B. They're going to do that three
54:12
times. All your stacks are going to be
54:13
cleared. While that's happening.
54:15
There are like blaze lines, but they're like claw lines in the
54:18
ground. And I really like this mechanic.
54:21
So it shows that they're like 3 slashes through your character.
54:25
And when they expire, when that when that resolves, it leaves
54:29
three gashes in the floor. So you want to run those away
54:32
from the stack groups. So they happen on the edges.
54:35
Then you come back into your stack groups and and during
54:37
those stack groups the tanks are also dealing with a frontal that
54:42
is a really wide cone that only the tank should get hit by.
54:46
Right now there is currently an issue with that tank swap
54:50
wherein it won't swap mid cast. So you can have a situation
54:56
where one tank is stuck taking their circle smash debuff and
55:01
back-to-back slashes as well of the frontals and that requires a
55:06
lot to survive it and it won't be liveable long term in heroic.
55:12
The routines that were having success by running the other
55:16
double prop paladin and bubbling if that happened, or running
55:20
single prop paladin and then just hoping that all of those
55:23
happened to that prop paladin. Hopefully they fix it.
55:27
It either needs to be able to change targets mid cast, which
55:31
would fix that problem, or they need to make it a set pattern of
55:36
when these cast either of those solutions works to fix it.
55:41
You could also, I think those are the only two you have to be
55:45
able either of those two solutions I think works.
55:47
There was 4 solutions. Tactics and I were talking about
55:49
it. We came up with four solutions,
55:50
but I think those two are probably the two best.
55:52
Either make it swappable mid cast or have it be a set
55:55
pattern. But once that phase is done,
55:58
then you go into the intermission.
56:00
He puts markers on people. You drop a void zone and a
56:02
purple portal. You want to run those to the
56:04
edges because the boss is about to blast the tank with a frontal
56:09
and much like Razigeth, any unmitigated damage to the tank
56:13
happens to the raid. So big defensive tanks.
56:15
But when that blast is happening to the tank, it's being echoed
56:18
through each of the portals that were just spawned by the players
56:22
and then those beams are rotating.
56:26
So that's a lot of fun. You get through that phase and
56:28
then it's split the split the raid intermission where you go
56:31
and fight ads on 2 platforms. This is also Razigeth like there
56:36
are ads. Deaf Knights rejoice, except the
56:38
ads start already grouped up in the center of the platform that
56:41
you go to. They start grouped.
56:45
You don't need to grip them because they start grouped up.
56:48
You kill your ads. Both groups meet back in the
56:50
middle and then it's the last phase where the boss will put
56:52
markers on players again and you drop these giant spike balls and
56:56
then it does like the pain Smith waves.
56:58
If you remember the pain Smith like spike waves as they move
57:02
out these move out from each ball the more you just wait for
57:04
the. More recent example is in.
57:10
Sorry, why can't I remember the first raid of this of this
57:14
expansion? Of this expansion.
57:17
This expansion you had to or. Within was nearby, our palace
57:20
nearby. Our palace.
57:21
So does the penultimate boss. You had the intermission where
57:25
it would have the exact same starts at a circle, then starts
57:28
doing the circles outwards or inwards.
57:34
Are you talking about Smuldron? No, no, Smuldron wasn't this one
57:37
It was. Chindro.
57:39
No nurbar. Palace.
57:41
That's me, that's me. You're just so.
57:43
Sorry, the twin the two generals, the twin generals the.
57:48
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Similar, similar to that.
57:53
That was random though, and this is just set growing.
57:57
OK, always X, always going. Out looking port was random the
58:01
patterns in the intermission, but this is these these started
58:06
each ball and just radiate out. So they're repeatable and
58:10
they're they're you don't have to like guess it, but yeah, it's
58:12
that same mechanic where the spikes would go out and you
58:14
would move across to the safe zone.
58:18
And then while that's happening, you get arrows that will shoot
58:21
at players. You point those arrows at the
58:23
balls and if it'll destroy the ball, which then stops that ball
58:27
from from growing things and you just get the boss down until
58:30
he's done and he will drop more balls throughout that phase.
58:34
This fight's a banger. 10 out of 10 has ads don't need to be
58:38
gripped. I Manny they they literally put
58:42
her to blue post saying we're removing a bomb limb because we
58:45
think grip is your is your key and we want to be able to design
58:49
fights based around that. And then they did none.
58:52
They did zero fights where your grip is going to feel like a
58:56
strong addition. Except maybe the very first boss
59:00
on Mythic only. So there is, there's a question
59:06
here where because they're doing the trilogy, because we know
59:11
that Midnight's pretty far into design.
59:14
We know that various, various things are, are down the the
59:19
line already in the pipeline, if you will.
59:22
There's a question, maybe they did this for later.
59:25
But my, my immediate response to that is then why wouldn't you
59:28
make the change just prior to when it, when it's necessary?
59:32
Just be like, OK, guys, we're letting you know that we're
59:36
going to start, we're going to start removing flappy hands.
59:42
And that's not gonna happen this this expansion.
59:46
But we're building, we're building stuff that you will see
59:48
in midnight or if it's way further down the line, the last
59:52
Titan. So just so you know, Slappy
59:55
Hands is on the chopping block, right?
59:57
And then people can live with it for a while.
59:59
They still have it. And then when it comes, they go
1:00:01
like, OK, this is the rate that's coming in instead of
1:00:03
they're like, yeah, we're we're moving it 'cause we're gonna
1:00:05
design fights and then there's zero fights that have it in,
1:00:10
right. Big mess, dude.
1:00:12
It's a big mess. Like the way you describe it is
1:00:14
perfect. Hey, we want to.
1:00:16
This is a limit. This is causing us limitations
1:00:18
in our design space. We don't want to have to deal
1:00:20
with that. We're looking down the road.
1:00:22
This will be removed in an upcoming patch.
1:00:25
So you can live with it. You can't because we believe
1:00:29
Grip is your raid buff. You can't come out and say we're
1:00:34
not giving you a raid buff because you don't need one,
1:00:36
because you already have a grip, because that's good enough for
1:00:38
your raid buff. And we're taking away Slappy
1:00:41
Hands, which isn't just using Ray, but it's also used pretty
1:00:43
heavily in Mythic Plus. And by the way, this rage is
1:00:47
going to be nothing for it. And we're reworking completely
1:00:51
the way your DPS works, and you're going to hate that too.
1:00:55
We'll see, I'm sure what's going to happen by the end of this,
1:00:58
this tuning. I'm not going to say that it's
1:01:01
going to be a good, it's going to be a good rotation, guys that
1:01:04
you're going to be like, oh, this feels so great.
1:01:06
Nah, they're just going to pump the numbers.
1:01:07
You're like, holy crap, I'm overpowered.
1:01:09
This is clunky and garbage, but man, I'm overpowered.
1:01:12
That's what they're going to end up doing and we're going to have
1:01:15
to live with it, right? It's just going to be like,
1:01:18
well, you know what, you guys are going to have to live with
1:01:20
it. I, on the other hand, am a
1:01:21
shaman and give a mastery, mastery buff.
1:01:23
And so they'll want me around anyways for the melee comp.
1:01:28
That's right. It just, it feels really bad to
1:01:30
and it like it it's This is why it like when people are like,
1:01:33
oh, don't worry, they said they're gonna divine design
1:01:36
fights so that you don't need add-ons.
1:01:38
Like, this is the kind of stuff that makes me really super
1:01:41
concerned about that because they said they were gonna design
1:01:43
fights where Grip is the buff and there's nothing.
1:01:49
That you see so when. You tell me we're gonna design
1:01:52
fights you don't need add-ons for.
1:01:54
I just feel like you're lying. How many raid tiers without
1:02:00
add-ons and fights that don't work are we going to have to
1:02:03
deal with that? So all that that being said,
1:02:05
this upcoming raid does fully seem like it could be done
1:02:10
without competition. We go as minus that one boss
1:02:12
which we know there are fixes for that would work.
1:02:15
If they continue that trend, I think that's a good trajectory.
1:02:22
I I feel more comfortable with that.
1:02:23
But man, am I glad I'm not a deaf knight this year.
1:02:27
You know, they used to bring batter like warriors with one of
1:02:29
winter. And I don't know, man, like I
1:02:35
can't imagine writing that blue post.
1:02:40
I mean, like we're we don't need to give you dear deaf Knights.
1:02:44
We don't need to give you a red buff because you have a RIP.
1:02:46
And that makes some fights exceptionally easy and is
1:02:49
required in others. Also, we're removing abomination
1:02:52
limb because we feel like it's too powerful and it's limiting
1:02:55
our design space. Also on this RAID, no grips.
1:03:01
OK, I will say that it would be good of the communications team,
1:03:09
the PR team, the community managers, all of their outward
1:03:12
communications, that when they receive that from the devs, they
1:03:17
go. Could you give me an example in
1:03:20
the upcoming raid? That's it.
1:03:26
That's all you want. Hey, yeah.
1:03:27
Hey Morgan, before I send this tweet, can you just you just
1:03:31
quickly look through the boxes and make sure one of them, one
1:03:33
of them needs grip It's. Or maybe just like you put this
1:03:39
like if this change had happened in 11 point 2.5, right?
1:03:48
Yeah, after the raid. After the raid had come out, I
1:03:50
think people would be like, I guess they're reworking, but it
1:03:54
feels weird because we're going to a new expansion.
1:03:56
Couldn't they just wait? It just feels like such a weird
1:03:59
time to do that change. So I'm expecting that this is
1:04:04
like the shaman retool. Remember back going from 11
1:04:08
point O into 11 point O .5 where it's like suddenly like, oh wow,
1:04:12
shamans are getting reworked, but this feels kind of half done
1:04:15
and then in the next in the next one, it's like, oh, here's the
1:04:18
other half of the rework. Sorry Death Knights, you're up
1:04:21
to bat I guess. Yeah, except they have to wait
1:04:24
for midnight and then hope that there are fights wherein grip
1:04:29
isn't just a nice bonus, but feels mandatory.
1:04:34
Man, I don't know. And then it has to feel
1:04:35
mandatory enough. It can't feel so mandatory that
1:04:38
you have to have a Blood Death Knight 'cause they have superior
1:04:41
grips. It has to feel just mandatory
1:04:43
enough that it's Adps Death Knight, but that no other grip
1:04:47
Sigilov chains I'm looking at. You can do the same thing.
1:04:51
I don't, I don't think it needs to be that way.
1:04:53
I honestly think that like I, I just think they're going to tune
1:04:57
the numbers so that like DKS are going to be undeniable.
1:05:00
I think it's going to be the lazy option.
1:05:02
It's going to be like, yeah, you're quadratic scaling and we
1:05:05
decided to to like cut back all the casters in in the the
1:05:09
dungeon. So now you're pulling a bunch
1:05:11
and congratulations on holy go nuts.
1:05:16
Like, I just think that's what it's going to be.
1:05:17
They're going to give them their niche and they're going to be
1:05:19
like here, pray we don't change the deal any further and that's
1:05:24
it. I use that gift today.
1:05:26
There we go. I I mean it's funny.
1:05:32
I I I do think that this raid on like all but one fights is just
1:05:40
banger after banger after banger yes, it's not serving the DK
1:05:45
community community and that sucks right when you put a
1:05:47
spotlight on the DK community. But you're right, like thus far
1:05:52
doesn't look like we need we cores for any of these these
1:05:56
fights thus far doesn't look like I'm going to be pulling out
1:05:59
my my hair trying to like understand this, this stuff.
1:06:03
The only thing I would say is like this the dungeon journal is
1:06:09
getting uncomprehensible. Like at this point, I'm just
1:06:12
like, I need the PTR to pull and understand the fight because
1:06:16
there is no way I'm going to learn from the dungeon journal,
1:06:20
which guarantees you that people are going to be having to go to
1:06:24
third parties, whether that is community websites or videos to
1:06:29
understand these fights or do that's going to pull blind.
1:06:33
Like if Lex was here, her, her raid team does and figure it out
1:06:37
that way because it's so much easier to figure it out by just
1:06:41
pulling than trying to read through the the Dojo.
1:06:43
And that is that is a big problem in my in my mind.
1:06:47
But if you are looking for a good look at these videos, you
1:06:51
can check out Sean's video he put out just on yesterday where
1:06:56
he goes through all the videos that were there for testing.
1:06:59
I'm sure there's a bunch of other ones there, but you know,
1:07:01
I don't have any skin in those games.
1:07:03
So there you go. Yeah, it's just, it's just the
1:07:06
bosses. I cut out the inordinate amount
1:07:08
of trash that we had to clear through.
1:07:11
It's just the bosses from a tank POV.
1:07:13
There's no commentary. It's just some some jams that
1:07:16
are playing over it. If you want to see what the
1:07:18
mechanics look like, it's it's it's as close to spoiler free as
1:07:23
you can get without somebody telling you.
1:07:25
Do this here. Do that here, Yeah.
1:07:28
But with that said, we're going to call this an episode.
1:07:33
Happy candidate for all of you, celebrate, Happy 4th of July for
1:07:36
all of you who celebrate and we will be back.
1:07:39
Sorry, you and Lex will be back next week And wait, are you?
1:07:45
We'll have to figure out who's back next week because of this
1:07:47
cottage thing, but we. Will find out I'm I'll be home
1:07:50
in the evening so I'll be able to record it Lex usual time.
1:07:52
Beautiful. OK, there you go.
1:07:53
We you've got the Sean Guarantee, but until next time,
1:07:56
may all your hits be crits.