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Loving Mom Bludgeoned With Kitchen Frying Pan, STABBED 30 TIMES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful mom dead in
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Speaker 1: her own home, not only bludgeoned, but then stabbed repeatedly.
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Speaker 1: But why, I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in
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Speaker 1: Serious xem one eleven. Much has been made of the
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Speaker 1: fact that this is a very quiet, secluded neighborhood that
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Speaker 1: has never seen a crime such as this. Listen.
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Speaker 2: It was a shock because it's a quiet street. They
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Speaker 2: seem like good people, so I think this was just
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Speaker 2: taking everybody surprise on this entire block.
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Speaker 3: Akron officers converged on the neighborhood around one o'clock Tuesday
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Speaker 3: afternoon after someone from a local college called the police.
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Speaker 4: Neighbors tell me a loving family live here, a mother,
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Speaker 4: a father, and their teenage children, and they never.
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Speaker 1: Saw this coming.
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Speaker 5: It just tricks you to the cord.
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Speaker 4: When Teresa Stafford came home for lunch Tuesday afternoon, she
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Speaker 4: was not expecting anything out of the ordinary, and I.
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Speaker 5: Heard a scream. I did not pay any attention to
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Speaker 5: the screen because originally I believe it came from the
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Speaker 5: television that was on. I came downstairs and noticed my son,
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Speaker 5: who was at the time cooking had paused the television.
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Speaker 5: I thought, Okay, that's really weird, so she.
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Speaker 4: Went outside to check things out.
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Speaker 1: How many times have we heard that scenario? You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at WOO and News five joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 1: right now. But first to Brian Stano, Summon County Assistant prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: lead prosecutor on the high profile murder trial. You know,
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Speaker 1: Brian Stano, how often have you had cases where when
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Speaker 1: you go back and you start questioning neighbors and ultimately witnesses,
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Speaker 1: they go, yeah, I heard fill in the blank, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't think anything of it. They didn't call police
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Speaker 1: even though they're hearing something very alarming. They quote e
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Speaker 1: quote don't hear it?
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Speaker 6: Well, that is in that is unusual. Indeed, we have
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Speaker 6: neighbors that hear something that is just ear piercing and
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Speaker 6: shrieking and just terrifying.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to Lieutenant Dave Witten
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Speaker 1: joining me in addition to Brian Stano, Lieutenant Witton, City
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Speaker 1: of Akron, Ohio Police Department, Detective Bureau command or Crimes
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Speaker 1: against Persons. Lieutenant, thank you for being with us. Have
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Speaker 1: you noticed that in other cases, I think that people don't.
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Speaker 1: It's not like we're living with blinders on, but I
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Speaker 1: guess we are. We hear something and it doesn't fit
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Speaker 1: into what we expect to be normal, and so we go, oh,
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Speaker 1: that was the TV, or oh that wasn't That wasn't
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Speaker 1: gun fire, It must have been a car backfiring. We
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Speaker 1: look instinctively for innocent reasons for what clearly is something
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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I would agree with that. It seems like, you know,
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Speaker 7: we are getting less and less uh people calling the
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Speaker 7: police on uh when they hear things. People get so
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Speaker 7: they get so used to unfortunately sound sounds in their neighborhood,
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Speaker 7: including gunfire or anything else, and then they just move on.
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Speaker 7: It's not like it's not like it used to be.
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Speaker 7: I guess when I first started, when you know, people
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Speaker 7: would get any kind of inkling of any kind of
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Speaker 7: suspicion and would call the police at least just to
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Speaker 7: check it out.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Doctor Carla Manley joining me high profile clinical psychologists.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Carlamanley dot com. What
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Speaker 1: is that, doctor Carla, is that we don't want to
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Speaker 1: consider that a lady is getting bludgeoned with a frying
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Speaker 1: pan and stab next door. This neighbor is entirely innocent.
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Speaker 1: She just couldn't take in that someone's getting murdered.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely. I think it's twofold. A. We tend to try
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Speaker 8: to normalize sounds in the environment, so we're not constantly
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Speaker 8: on edge and being hyper visualant.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the first one, right right, what you
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Speaker 1: just said. Let me quote the office what she said.
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Speaker 1: Say that again. That's what we're trying to verbalize. What now.
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Speaker 8: We tend to try to normalize the environment with's occurring
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Speaker 8: in our environment, so we're not constantly on edge and
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Speaker 8: being hypervigilant. So if we make sense of what's happening
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Speaker 8: around us and attribute this downd to oh with the
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Speaker 8: neighbor's television, we don't have to go into.
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Speaker 9: Fight or flight mode.
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Speaker 8: So we feel better when we're able to make a
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Speaker 8: story that makes.
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Speaker 9: Sense to us.
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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Manley, so beautifully put and so dead on,
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Speaker 1: So correct, guys, what happened inside that home? Take listen
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Speaker 1: our friends at w IO.
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Speaker 4: She saw a young woman coming out of a home
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Speaker 4: down the street.
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Speaker 5: So I glanced at her because in the process we
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Speaker 5: had patrol cars burling up our street. Three cars turned
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Speaker 5: into six, which turned into nine, which turned into twelve
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Speaker 5: police cars, two detective cars, paramedics came up the street.
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Speaker 1: She says.
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Speaker 4: The young woman collapsed on the ground. Stafford couldn't tell
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Speaker 4: if she was hurt.
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Speaker 5: Originally they had put the young lady in a police car.
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Speaker 5: They hadn't put her into paramedic, but then eventually they
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Speaker 5: put her in a paramedic.
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Speaker 1: So we know something horrible has gone on. One woman
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Speaker 1: taken out in this stretcher. One after she collapses, the
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Speaker 1: cops try to pick her up and then they ultimately
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Speaker 1: give her to the paramedics as well. What happened inside
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Speaker 1: that home? Take a listen to more.
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Speaker 5: The mom came out on a stretcher and they carried
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Speaker 5: her away. So in the process, we saw the dad
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Speaker 5: come up, and we knew something was really wrong because
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Speaker 5: they wouldn't let him go in the house.
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Speaker 10: Please tell us.
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Speaker 4: A little before one Tuesday afternoon, they got a call
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Speaker 4: to do a welfare check at a home on Scudder Avenue.
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Speaker 4: Inside they fell women stabbed several times. Both women were
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Speaker 4: taken to the hospital. The nineteen year old is expected
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Speaker 4: to be okay. But the woman's didn't make it.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now in addition to Lieutenant Wyden, doctor Manley,
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Speaker 1: Bryan Stano, doctor Jeffrey Jensen, very well known pathologist and
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Speaker 1: medical examiner. First, now I want to go to Rachel Dobkin,
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Speaker 1: joining us investigated crime reporter for the US Sun. Rachel,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. You guys
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Speaker 1: have been on this from the get go. Tell me
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Speaker 1: how this woman, Brenda Powell died. She suffered from blows
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Speaker 1: from a frying pan. And how many times was she stabbed?
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Speaker 9: So prosecutors say that she was stabbed about thirty times,
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Speaker 9: so obviously a very violent crime.
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Speaker 1: And tell me about the neighborhood. Rachel Dobkin, Well, it is.
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Speaker 9: A very quiet neighborhood. You know we heard before the
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Speaker 9: neighbors were shocked to hear this happened. It's kind of
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Speaker 9: a similar story you hear now, and again of the
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Speaker 9: unsuspecting neighbors, they could not believe something like this would
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Speaker 9: happen in their own town.
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Speaker 1: So this is a whole subdivision outside of Akron, Ohio.
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Speaker 6: Is that right, Brian, Yes, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about it. Tell me about the neighborhood.
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Speaker 6: It's a quiet neighborhood. It's in West Akron, It's very
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Speaker 6: close to the suburbs. It's quiet. It's a neighborhood with
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Speaker 6: families and children, and I think they were just completely
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Speaker 6: shocked to find out what was going on in their neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: The reason I ask it doesn't matter as far as
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Speaker 1: how the family is grieving. That happens whether you're in
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Speaker 1: a high rise apartment in New York City or living
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Speaker 1: out in rural area like where I grew up. The
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Speaker 1: family is devastated no matter where it is. But it
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Speaker 1: makes it even more unusual statistically speaking, when it's not
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Speaker 1: a high crime area. It's not in an inner city
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Speaker 1: where there is a lot of crime, where there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of businesses to be robbed, where there's a high
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Speaker 1: concentration of people. That means, per capita, they're more criminals
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Speaker 1: when the population is higher. So you don't expect this.
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Speaker 1: I will never forget Jack. You remember this and a
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Speaker 1: very exclusive enclave in Atlanta. There was a big, fancy
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Speaker 1: wedding reception at some big country club, very exclusive, and
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Speaker 1: one of the guys left the wedding it was all over,
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Speaker 1: left the reception and was standing out on the street
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Speaker 1: waiting for an uber talking to his wife who just
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Speaker 1: had a neeborn. I think they were from DC. And
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Speaker 1: some guy drives up in this wealthy enclave and kills
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Speaker 1: the guy to get his wallet, and you would have
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Speaker 1: thought a murder had never happened on the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth. What I'm saying is it makes it more
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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. And I'm going to go to you,
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dave Witten, on this, because you're from the city
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Speaker 1: of Akron. It's unexpected, and I think that's part of
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Speaker 1: the reason the neighbors hear a blood curdling scream and
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Speaker 1: they think, oh, that must have been the TV, because
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Speaker 1: it never happens.
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Speaker 7: There right in this particular street. I had to even
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Speaker 7: look up where I've lived here all my life, and
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Speaker 7: I had to look up where it was at to
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Speaker 7: get the location. And there's nothing that we've ever had
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Speaker 7: that happens around this neighborhood. So it was very, very unusual.
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Speaker 1: Completely out of the ordinary. So who who goes into
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Speaker 1: this neighborhood, never a murder that anyone can remember, goes
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Speaker 1: into a home and bludgeons a mom with a frying
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Speaker 1: pan and then stabs her at least thirty times. Very quickly, guys,
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Speaker 1: Rachel Dodkin is joining US investigative crime reporter from US SUN.
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Speaker 1: But first I'm jumping off what Rachel told us to.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffrey Jensen, Professor forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy and
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Speaker 1: Forensic Services, University of Michigan Medical School. Okay, that's not shabby.
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Speaker 1: Foreign medical examiner, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, doctor Jensen, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. When you hear Rachel Dodkin say
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Speaker 1: beaten with a frying pan plus dad thirty times, my guess,
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Speaker 1: an educated guests, is that this mom, who had devoted
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Speaker 1: her life to helping other people hospital, I bet you
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Speaker 1: she may she was stabbed more than thirty times. And
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Speaker 1: I want to remind you, I'm sure you heard about
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Speaker 1: the case of Jody Arius, who stabbed her lover, Travis
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Speaker 1: Alexander at least twenty nine times. Some medical examiners differ
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Speaker 1: in say thirty one, some say twenty seven, some say
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Speaker 1: twenty eight. Why because when you stab so many times,
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Speaker 1: the wounds begin to overlap how many times somebody has
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Speaker 1: been stabbed. When you're talking over ten stab wounds, they
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Speaker 1: begin to overlap.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, you bring up, you know, certain points about investigating stabbing.
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Speaker 11: As far as the environment is, although rare, it's you know,
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Speaker 11: homicides do happen in nice neighborhoods. As far as stab wounds,
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Speaker 11: one of the activities that medical exammers do is look
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Speaker 11: at the amount of voluntary activity that can be engaged
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Speaker 11: in after receiving wounds. When you see the excessive injuries.
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Speaker 12: That are inflected on an individual and multiple entities such
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Speaker 12: as bruising from fry pans or attacks, that indicates an assault,
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Speaker 12: but it also indicates a savage attack and multiple entities
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Speaker 12: and multiple injuries.
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Speaker 1: Understood, you guys, you're hearing doctor Jeffrey Jensen, Professor Forensic Pathology,
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Speaker 1: Director of Autopsy at University Michigan Medical School. What happened
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Speaker 1: inside that home? Take a listen to our friend Aaron Logan.
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Speaker 13: Something went horribly wrong, and that prompted a caller from
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Speaker 13: Mount Union.
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Speaker 1: University to alert police.
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Speaker 13: That caller had first been on the phone with Sidney Powell,
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Speaker 13: who previously attended. During that conversation, he became concerned and
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Speaker 13: called police to do a welfare check. So a detective
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Speaker 13: called nine to one one to.
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Speaker 10: Explain, they're on the phone and there was a lot
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Speaker 10: of streaming going on, just art of like a lot
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Speaker 10: of yelling and screaming going on. Tried calling back twice
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Speaker 10: and there was no there was no callback.
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Speaker 13: When officers arrived, they found Brenda Powell suffering from stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: She later died at the hospital.
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Speaker 13: Sydney Powell was taken to the hospital with minor injuries
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Speaker 13: and for Powell's coworkers at Akron Children's Hospital, a spokesperson
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Speaker 13: tells nineteen News she worked there for twenty eight years
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Speaker 13: helping children with tancer.
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Speaker 1: To Rachel Dobkin, investigator of crime, reporter or us Son,
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Speaker 1: tell me about Brenda Powell and what she did at
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Speaker 1: Akron Children's Hospital.
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Speaker 9: So, Brenda was a life specialist, and that's basically a
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Speaker 9: professional in the hospital that will be with patients dealing
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Speaker 9: with their diagnosis, you know, trying to be there for
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Speaker 9: that person, you know, emotionally, mentally, and Brenda did just
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Speaker 9: that for hundreds of kids. I actually got to speak
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Speaker 9: with one of the children. She was diagnosed at age
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Speaker 9: ten and she had cancer and Brenda was there for her.
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Speaker 9: She said she was a mom figure to her because
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Speaker 9: she did not have a mom in her own life
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Speaker 9: at the time. She's now grown up, and you know,
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Speaker 9: she was grieving Brenda's death because she called her an angel.
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Speaker 9: She was just always there for her patients, for the
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Speaker 9: patient's families, and it's she's the kind of person that
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Speaker 9: these patients will remember their whole lives and appreciate their
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Speaker 9: whole lives.
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Speaker 1: You know, Rachel Doupkin, I'm so glad you told me that.
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Speaker 1: When I read about Brenda and investigated about her, I
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Speaker 1: learned about how many people loved her and all the
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Speaker 1: children she had helped at Akron's Hospital. You know, to you,
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Speaker 1: Lileutenant Dave Whitten joining us Sacred City of Akron Police
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Speaker 1: Department and the Detective Bureau. Do you ever wonder I
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Speaker 1: wondered it so often when I was prosecuting in Inner
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Speaker 1: City Atlanta. Why is it that the good people, the
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Speaker 1: great people, the angels on earth, they're the ones that
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Speaker 1: get targeted, and yet you see about like mafia ringleaders
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Speaker 1: and serial killers they live forever.
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Speaker 7: Why. Yeah, this is one thing about this case is
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Speaker 7: you know, our victim, Brenda Powell. It's just I mean,
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Speaker 7: she was and I've thought about this since arriving that
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Speaker 7: day on the scene. It's just it's such a tragedy
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Speaker 7: when you listen to the people that she worked with,
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Speaker 7: the lives that she tested at Acrann Children's Hospital through
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Speaker 7: the Child Life Program. I don't have any explanation for that.
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Speaker 7: I just it's just one of these things that makes
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Speaker 7: this case. Unique is our victim and the life she
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Speaker 7: had and what she meant to the kids at Children's hospital.
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Speaker 1: And she's a young woman, she had her whole life
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Speaker 1: in front of her. You stated that you came to
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Speaker 1: the scene when you first drove up to the same
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dave Witten.
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Speaker 7: What did you say, Well, there, we already knew something
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Speaker 7: was not right here, and with the officers that were
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Speaker 7: on the scene, they were very experienced officers. When they
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Speaker 7: were start calling out that they had a crime scene
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Speaker 7: and they're calling for e MS, I knew something was very,
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Speaker 7: very wrong and something this turned out, this welfare check
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Speaker 7: actually turned out to be a crime. So when I
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Speaker 7: got there, we had a lot of cars, actually the
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Speaker 7: whole street was blocked. It's a dead end street, and
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Speaker 7: there was a lot of officer presence and a lot
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Speaker 7: of we had some MS trucks too, So I knew
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Speaker 7: something serious had happened and it was just it was
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Speaker 7: actually one of the most violent scenes I've ever seen.
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Speaker 10: Once we got inside, when you walked and what.
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Speaker 7: Did you say, Well, actually, most of the house was intact.
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Speaker 7: It didn't look like there was any anything out of place,
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Speaker 7: and Officer Legacy walked me through. I saw immediately when
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Speaker 7: we turned on the main hallway to the bedrooms, you
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Speaker 7: could see there was a lot of blood smears that
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Speaker 7: we noticed when it in at the living room door,
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Speaker 7: and he was pointing out different blood smudges, and as
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Speaker 7: he led me down the hallway ultimately into the bedroom,
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Speaker 7: it was just, I mean, there was a significant amount
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Speaker 7: of blood on the floor there. It looked like blood
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Speaker 7: spatter on the walls. There was the frying pan and
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Speaker 7: the knife were visible along with the cell phone, and
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Speaker 7: I really have never seen that much blood in one
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Speaker 7: area in all the scenes I've been to. And then
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Speaker 7: we later discovered that there was blood that was seeping
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Speaker 7: from the bedroom into the basement downstairs. And then after
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Speaker 7: looking in the bedroom, the officer took me back to
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Speaker 7: where when he first discovered these windows that were broken
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Speaker 7: out towards the rear of the house. There was a
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Speaker 7: rear window that was broken out and there was blood
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Speaker 7: spatter it looked like blood spatter on the outside of
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Speaker 7: the house. And then he explained to me how he
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Speaker 7: entered the house through the sliding glass door that was
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Speaker 7: also broken and he wanted me He pointed out that
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Speaker 7: there was a couch that was blod locking the entrance
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Speaker 7: to the patio door, and he told me that he
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Speaker 7: had to actually push the couch over again entering into
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Speaker 7: the house too.
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Speaker 1: Brian Stano joining us, a veteran trial lawyer in Summit County. Brian,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like someone had tried to block the mom
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Speaker 1: off from leaving. The sliding glass door was broken, the
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Speaker 1: rear window was broken, and there was blood spatter on
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Speaker 1: or around it. I also hear Lieutenant Dave Witten saying
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Speaker 1: that there was blood down the hall on the walls,
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Speaker 1: and then the majority of the blood was in the bedroom.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like someone was trying to get away, like
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Speaker 1: the attack on Brenda may have happened where the sofa was,
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Speaker 1: and then the victim ran down the hall and ended
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Speaker 1: up in the bedroom. Do you is that how you
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Speaker 1: believe it happened.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's not how I believe it happened. We saw
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Speaker 6: a crime scene that looked like the entirety of what
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Speaker 6: had happened, This brutal attack had happened in Brenda's bedroom.
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Speaker 6: She was found in her bedroom. She was on the
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Speaker 6: floor in her bedroom in a pool of blood. Is
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Speaker 6: described by Lieutenant Whitten that was so immense it was
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Speaker 6: seeping through the floor. There were small blood smears throughout
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Speaker 6: the house. So there was definitely some activity either by
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Speaker 6: Brenda or her killer after this brutal attack, that they
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Speaker 6: were moving throughout, moving around the house.
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Speaker 1: I say, Brian stan I don't want to interrupt you.
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Speaker 1: I want' you keep going. But I see so those
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Speaker 1: smudges in the living room and elsewhere were not from
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Speaker 1: the victim. You're saying it's the killer. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot from what you and Lieutenant Wittn
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Speaker 1: are saying.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely when they arrived on the scene, Brenda was found
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Speaker 6: in a pool of blood, brutally attacked. But they did
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Speaker 6: find blood sme years throughout the house. This was not
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Speaker 6: a large amount of blood. It was a smear here,
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Speaker 6: a smear there, a spattering here, spattering there by the
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Speaker 6: broken window, by this open sliding glass door. So whoever,
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Speaker 6: this evidence was strongly pointing to whoever the killer was
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Speaker 6: that after this murder or this attack, that they had
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Speaker 6: been moving around the house with some purpose that at
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Speaker 6: this point we weren't sure of.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you and Lieutenant Winden, I'm telling you. Between you
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Speaker 1: two and Rachel Dobkin I'm seeing a scene that would
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Speaker 1: make a lot of officers vomit. You guys, ever seen
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Speaker 1: an officer vomit at a crime scene because it's so
21:45
Speaker 1: bloody and disturbing? Anybody?
21:48
Speaker 7: I have?
21:49
Speaker 1: I didn't vomit. I've seen other officers just like heave
21:53
Speaker 1: because it's just so much. Okay, guys, who, what, where? Why?
21:58
Speaker 1: And when? Listen?
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Speaker 3: The crime scene tape in front of this home is gone,
22:02
Speaker 3: and so is the police presence, but the shock remains
22:05
Speaker 3: in this Wallhaven neighborhood of Akron, where a nineteen year
22:07
Speaker 3: old woman has now charged with murdering her mother. For
22:10
Speaker 3: twenty eight years, Brenda Powell worked at Akron Children's in
22:13
Speaker 3: the Shower Center for childhood cancer and blood disorders. Her
22:17
Speaker 3: tragic death has stunned coworkers and her neighbors on Scudder Drive,
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Speaker 3: including Edgar Powell, who is not related.
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Speaker 5: I'm stand.
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Speaker 11: Something like that could happen between a mother and.
22:29
Speaker 13: Daughters, Stafford says, what really hurts the Powell seemed like
22:32
Speaker 13: a happy family, dad.
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Speaker 2: Mom, daughter, son, typical family like you never heard them,
22:40
Speaker 2: you know, do any arguing? Usually dad and son play basketball,
22:43
Speaker 2: go for walks. Mom and daughter are usually kind of together.
22:47
Speaker 1: Okay? What the daughter, the teen daughter, Sidney Powell, charged
22:57
Speaker 1: with the murder of her mother, bludgeoning her with a
23:02
Speaker 1: frying pan, stabbing her multiple times thirty at least? Okay,
23:09
Speaker 1: how do how does this whole thing unfold? Take a
23:12
Speaker 1: listen to hour cut thirteen. This is Stephen Powell, the
23:17
Speaker 1: husband of the victim, the father of the daughter.
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Speaker 14: Listen, were you or Brenda aware of any academic problems
23:25
Speaker 14: Sidney may have been having during that first year?
23:28
Speaker 12: No?
23:28
Speaker 7: Okay?
23:29
Speaker 14: Did she ever share with you that she had been
23:32
Speaker 14: having any academic problems?
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Speaker 15: No?
23:34
Speaker 14: Okay? I guess when she came home that summer? Well,
23:40
Speaker 14: I mean, I don't want to assume. Did she come
23:42
Speaker 14: home after that first year spend the summer with you?
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Speaker 16: She did?
23:46
Speaker 12: Okay?
23:47
Speaker 7: What does she do that summer?
23:48
Speaker 1: She had a job?
23:50
Speaker 6: Okay?
23:51
Speaker 14: Where does she work?
23:52
Speaker 15: The baseball team down here, that Robbie.
23:55
Speaker 14: Ducks, the Akron rubber Ducks. What'd she do for them?
23:58
Speaker 15: I worked in the kids zone?
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Speaker 4: Okay?
24:02
Speaker 14: And during that summer, did you, again, I need to
24:06
Speaker 14: share anything about what was going on in school or
24:07
Speaker 14: anything like that?
24:08
Speaker 12: No?
24:09
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm still not understanding why the nineteen year old
24:13
Speaker 1: girl bludgeons and stabs her mother dead. Let's hear some
24:17
Speaker 1: more from the father slash husband.
24:20
Speaker 15: The only thing that I knew is when I tried
24:22
Speaker 15: to sign on to the like their whatever app that
24:25
Speaker 15: they have on the website kept kicking me out.
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Speaker 14: The the app that Mountain Union had. Yeah, they're like
24:33
Speaker 14: a portal.
24:34
Speaker 1: I think it's called.
24:35
Speaker 14: A portal, okay, And you would even try to sign
24:37
Speaker 14: into that portal and.
24:38
Speaker 1: It wouldn't let you in correct.
24:42
Speaker 6: Why were you trying to get into that portal?
24:45
Speaker 15: Seemed because the five twenty nine plan didn't cover all
24:49
Speaker 15: the tuition for the year, so I had to make
24:51
Speaker 15: a personal check, okay, so I had to see how
24:53
Speaker 15: much that was.
24:55
Speaker 10: Okay?
24:56
Speaker 16: And when you had difficulty logging onto that poor what
25:00
Speaker 16: did you do?
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Speaker 15: I had Sydney, what was going on about it?
25:04
Speaker 1: Okay?
25:05
Speaker 12: What does she say?
25:06
Speaker 15: There was a mistake with Mount Union?
25:09
Speaker 9: Okay?
25:09
Speaker 1: And she'd look into it.
25:11
Speaker 14: Okay, And but at that point you had no reason
25:14
Speaker 14: not to trust correct.
25:15
Speaker 1: She's telling you the correct Okay. I'm starting to smell
25:18
Speaker 1: a rat and I'm going to go to Brion Stano,
25:21
Speaker 1: Summit County prosecutor, veteran trial lawyer, my brother would drop
25:29
Speaker 1: out of classes all the time, and at that time
25:32
Speaker 1: it was a Mercer university where all three of us
25:35
Speaker 1: ended up going and graduating. They would send the grades
25:39
Speaker 1: to the home address and my brother would figure out
25:41
Speaker 1: when they were going to come. And my sister was
25:44
Speaker 1: all a plus and catch says she majored in accounting
25:47
Speaker 1: and German with the minor in chemistry. Brilliant. My brother
25:53
Speaker 1: would not let us say, apply himself, so he would
25:56
Speaker 1: get the grades out of the mailbox and hide them
25:59
Speaker 1: always in his glove compartment of his car. And my sister,
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Speaker 1: who's the brainiac, would never get her grades to our grades.
26:05
Speaker 1: Would she have to go to the register to find
26:06
Speaker 1: out her grades. Finally, by the way, even though he
26:11
Speaker 1: was a C minus student, he is the one that
26:14
Speaker 1: ends up with the big house on the golf course. Okay,
26:17
Speaker 1: not my brainiac's sister. I'm certainly not on a golf course.
26:20
Speaker 1: It was him, the C minus student, my brother, so
26:23
Speaker 1: maybe he was smarter than all of us. Long story short.
26:27
Speaker 1: The portal, let me understand this, Brian Stano. The portal
26:30
Speaker 1: is where you log on and you find out like
26:33
Speaker 1: grades and how much money you owe, and that's what
26:36
Speaker 1: they're talking about.
26:37
Speaker 6: A portal, Yes, that's what they're talking about. And not
26:40
Speaker 6: to date myself. But back when I was in college
26:43
Speaker 6: in law school, grades were mailed out. But these days,
26:47
Speaker 6: you know, in the year twenty twenty, grades they're all online.
26:51
Speaker 6: It's all digital and grades and tuition information. If that
26:57
Speaker 6: is going to be accessed by a parent, they have
27:00
Speaker 6: to go online. They have to log in to see
27:03
Speaker 6: tuition amounts, what's owed, and grades and everything like that.
27:07
Speaker 1: When I heard him say a five twenty nine that
27:09
Speaker 1: said savings plan, I opened up one for the twins
27:12
Speaker 1: when they were born to make it get interest until
27:16
Speaker 1: the time they went to college. So he's trying to
27:18
Speaker 1: pay his daughter's additional tuition and he can't get into
27:22
Speaker 1: the portal. PS my brother did graduate. I want that
27:25
Speaker 1: on the record. Take a listen to this.
27:27
Speaker 7: What was the first.
27:28
Speaker 16: Issue that came up with Sydney and Mount.
27:30
Speaker 6: Union that you recall.
27:35
Speaker 3: I believe Mount Union called me.
27:37
Speaker 15: They called me, and I the conversation was that Sidney
27:42
Speaker 15: wasn't enrolled anymore. And then I asked for how long
27:45
Speaker 15: and they said you have to ask.
27:46
Speaker 14: Her, okay, And I'm sure that came as a shock
27:50
Speaker 14: to you, yes, and again they said they you have
27:54
Speaker 14: to ask. I know it sounds cold, but they're saying
27:57
Speaker 14: you have to ask her because they can't give you
27:59
Speaker 14: any more.
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Speaker 15: Right, that was my assumption.
28:03
Speaker 1: Uh oh, she's not enrolled anymore. Back to Rachel Dobkins
28:06
Speaker 1: joining US investigative crime reporter US son, Rachel, why wasn't
28:11
Speaker 1: she enrolled anymore?
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Speaker 9: That was because she had failed three out of the
28:15
Speaker 9: four classes she had in her fall semester of twenty nineteen.
28:19
Speaker 1: How many does she fail? Rachel?
28:20
Speaker 9: Three out of four classes?
28:22
Speaker 1: That's why she's not enrolled anymore. And wait, this is
28:26
Speaker 1: bringing back horrible visions of top mom Casey Anthony, who
28:30
Speaker 1: said she was working at Universal Studios and would even
28:32
Speaker 1: dress up in the outfit with a name tag on it.
28:35
Speaker 1: And the whole time she was not working. You know,
28:37
Speaker 1: I don't know how long, maybe a couple of years.
28:40
Speaker 1: So let me understand this. Brian Stano, the daughter then
28:44
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Sidney Powell, would pretend she was going
28:47
Speaker 1: to class every day.
28:48
Speaker 6: She actually would. She and her roommate would wake up
28:52
Speaker 6: at the same time and they'd get ready, get dressed,
28:55
Speaker 6: and go off to class. The roommate to her classes,
28:57
Speaker 6: and Sydney supposedly to her class says, but the roommate
29:01
Speaker 6: was none the wiser. She thought Sydney was going to
29:03
Speaker 6: her classes. And actually Sidney, what we learned, she'd go
29:09
Speaker 6: to the library all day and sit in the library,
29:12
Speaker 6: and to the point where she actually would tell her
29:14
Speaker 6: parents she got a job in the library. So she
29:18
Speaker 6: was definitely pretending that she was still a student, still
29:24
Speaker 6: going to class.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just trying to get my head around this
29:27
Speaker 1: because you know, Lieutenant Dave Wenten joining me City of Akron,
29:30
Speaker 1: Ohio Police Department, Detective Bureau and commander. You know, I'd
29:36
Speaker 1: prosecuted a lot of drug crimes. A lot of it
29:39
Speaker 1: starts off as the burglary and the victim gets killed.
29:42
Speaker 1: A lot of job by shootings, carjackings, but never a
29:46
Speaker 1: murder over bad grays. Lieutenant Wentten, have you ever seen
29:50
Speaker 1: this before?
29:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is one of the things that definitely made
29:53
Speaker 7: this case unique is the circumstances surrounding this. You know,
29:57
Speaker 7: as mister Standos said, we know that Sydney was expelled
30:01
Speaker 7: from a union back in December of nineteen twenty nineteen.
30:04
Speaker 7: She actually got a certified letter sent to her house
30:07
Speaker 7: and she didn't tell her parents. We discovered through the
30:10
Speaker 7: investigation that she they weren't aware of anything. They would
30:14
Speaker 7: we have nothing at all. They weren't aware that she
30:17
Speaker 7: was expelled this, they weren't aware that she was on
30:19
Speaker 7: academic probation following her freshman year.
30:21
Speaker 1: So easily avoidable, Lieutenant, And guess what, this isn't the
30:27
Speaker 1: first time this has happened. Take a listen to our
30:30
Speaker 1: cut twenty seven about Chloe Stein, twenty three, set to
30:34
Speaker 1: graduate college that weekend. Our friends at KDKA.
30:38
Speaker 17: Twenty three years old, that is Chloe Stein's age. She
30:42
Speaker 17: was set to graduate from Penn State Greater Allegheny this weekend.
30:46
Speaker 17: Her mother is desperate for answers. She tells me that
30:49
Speaker 17: Chloe's boyfriend was the last person to communicate with her
30:53
Speaker 17: via texts, and it was her boyfriend and two friends
30:56
Speaker 17: who found Chloe's car earlier today from where she work, and.
31:01
Speaker 1: Of course especially cast on the boyfriend when Chloe Stein
31:04
Speaker 1: disappears her car park under a bridge. Guess what. She
31:08
Speaker 1: didn't want her mother to find out she wasn't going
31:10
Speaker 1: to graduate on time, really, so she faked her own kidnapping.
31:20
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Okay, guys, I want you to hear more
32:49
Speaker 1: from the father and our cut twenty two.
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Speaker 16: Sydney told you that Brenda was on the phone with
32:55
Speaker 16: Mount Union. Yes, and that's when you told Sidney that
33:03
Speaker 16: the police were.
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Speaker 14: On the way to the house.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
33:09
Speaker 14: Okay, and that's according to you, that that's when Sidney
33:16
Speaker 14: got hysterical and said someone had broken the into the house.
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Speaker 7: Yes, and then you.
33:26
Speaker 14: Actually called Detective D's back to say that you know,
33:30
Speaker 14: this is legit, something's going on.
33:32
Speaker 6: You told him that. I don't remember that, but I
33:36
Speaker 6: believe it.
33:37
Speaker 15: But I don't remember calling him, but okay, I believe it.
33:41
Speaker 1: Oh that poor man his wife stabbed and bludgeoned dead
33:46
Speaker 1: and his daughter facing murder charges all over bad grades
33:52
Speaker 1: and dropping out of school. Really okay, I no want
33:57
Speaker 1: you to hear Michelle Gaffney, Associate dean of students at
34:00
Speaker 1: Mountain Union College.
34:02
Speaker 18: Listen, Dean Fraser was I was speaking and simply said, Brenda,
34:09
Speaker 18: this is Dean Fraser. I'm sitting here with Michelle Gaffney,
34:13
Speaker 18: our associated You know, students were returning your call. And
34:16
Speaker 18: that's about as far as as we got. There was
34:21
Speaker 18: a very large or a very loud sort of thud,
34:24
Speaker 18: sound like a pound, a pounding or a thud, accompanied
34:28
Speaker 18: by us by a pretty loud scream. And the scream
34:35
Speaker 18: might have actually been first and then the thud as
34:38
Speaker 18: I think about it, And then there was sort of
34:43
Speaker 18: a an expulsion The other sound that I heard at
34:46
Speaker 18: the same time or right after, was sort of an
34:48
Speaker 18: expulsion of air, like the air was knocked out of somebody.
34:51
Speaker 18: The other sound that I heard at the same time
34:54
Speaker 18: or right after was sort of an expulsion of air,
34:56
Speaker 18: like the air was knocked out of somebody. I'd always
35:00
Speaker 18: heard that expression of the air being, you know, having
35:02
Speaker 18: the wind knocked out of you, but I didn't. That's
35:05
Speaker 18: actually what it sounded like. And then several more repeated thuds.
35:12
Speaker 18: I don't know how to describe the sound. Yeah, did you.
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Speaker 6: Hear any communication during these thuds?
35:17
Speaker 1: Just the screaming to doctor Jeffrey Jensen joining US Professor
35:21
Speaker 1: Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy at University of Michigan Medical School,
35:27
Speaker 1: what is she saying? An expulsion of air and a thud.
35:31
Speaker 11: Well, it's basically the dying process.
35:35
Speaker 12: When an individual stops.
35:38
Speaker 11: Has a cardiac arrest, or there is an extanguination of
35:43
Speaker 11: blood that they can no longer continue to breathe. There's
35:47
Speaker 11: just an expulsion of the air that has already been
35:51
Speaker 11: inspired into the lungs, and it.
35:54
Speaker 7: Does have kind of a.
35:56
Speaker 11: Degassing, so to speak, of the body.
35:59
Speaker 1: Just trying to imagine what you're saying, Rachel Dobkin joining
36:04
Speaker 1: US investigative crime reporter us Son, I don't understand why
36:12
Speaker 1: she attacked her mother with a frying pan and by
36:17
Speaker 1: NiFe over the bad grades. Rachel, what more do you know? Well?
36:22
Speaker 9: I know that you know there was some arguments with
36:26
Speaker 9: in court where they said that she might have had
36:28
Speaker 9: some mental health issues, and there was mentioned by the
36:33
Speaker 9: defense that she suffered from schizophrenia and she had a
36:36
Speaker 9: psychotic break.
36:37
Speaker 1: Okay, a psychotic break. In simple terms, Doctor Carla Manly,
36:43
Speaker 1: clinical psychologist and author of Date Smart. Doctor Carla, what
36:47
Speaker 1: is that psychotic break?
36:49
Speaker 8: Then a person has schizophrenia. Many times they have what
36:52
Speaker 8: we call negatives them lethargy, a lack of interest in
36:57
Speaker 8: daily activities. Then they can have symptoms where they're acting out, delusions, hallucinations,
37:04
Speaker 8: or a full blown psychotic break where they lose control
37:10
Speaker 8: and often have no memory whatsoever of what occurred.
37:15
Speaker 1: Okay, So psychotic break is when you lose control and
37:18
Speaker 1: you have no memory of it. Is that correct?
37:19
Speaker 7: Yes?
37:20
Speaker 8: In general?
37:20
Speaker 1: Got it? Brian Stano joining me, high profile prosecutor there
37:25
Speaker 1: in Summit County. Brian, let me understand this. I want
37:29
Speaker 1: to pull together what you and Lieutenant Dave Whitten said.
37:33
Speaker 1: At first, the then nineteen year old daughter said was
37:36
Speaker 1: saying on the phone, somebody had broken in, and we
37:40
Speaker 1: see a sofa pushed away, we see a broken sliding
37:45
Speaker 1: glass door, we see a broken window in the back.
37:48
Speaker 1: It's all that, correct, Brian.
37:49
Speaker 6: Yes, that's all correct.
37:51
Speaker 1: Would you say it was stage? She looked like a
37:53
Speaker 1: break in.
37:53
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it was absolutely stage to look like a break in.
37:56
Speaker 1: She is no more mentally ill with psychotic b than
38:00
Speaker 1: my rear end. Because if you can plan all that,
38:04
Speaker 1: you're not crazy and then lie about it. And all
38:07
Speaker 1: the time she was lying about her grades and then
38:09
Speaker 1: tried to make this look like an intruder, and then
38:14
Speaker 1: when the cops get there, she falls back like she's
38:16
Speaker 1: in so much grief and shot.
38:18
Speaker 6: B as Stano, I totally agree. That's what the evidence showed.
38:25
Speaker 6: She actually got these poor administrators from this college. When
38:28
Speaker 6: they're speaking to Brenda, they heard her last words on earth,
38:33
Speaker 6: she said, Hi, thank you for calling me back, and
38:36
Speaker 6: they hear these screams and thuds. They call back several
38:39
Speaker 6: times because they're concerned about Brenda. And after the attack,
38:45
Speaker 6: after they hear those thuds and that expelling of air.
38:48
Speaker 6: They call back and the phone is picked up, and
38:52
Speaker 6: what they hear is in the call and what they
38:54
Speaker 6: describe is the calmest voice I've ever heard. Hi, this
38:58
Speaker 6: is Brenda. It was Sydney pretending to be her mom
39:02
Speaker 6: in the middle of this attack.
39:04
Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven, what more can you tell me,
39:07
Speaker 1: Brian Stana, Because I did not know that fact right there,
39:11
Speaker 1: that you just said that she had the wherewithal to
39:13
Speaker 1: pretend to be her mother.
39:14
Speaker 6: She absolutely did. She got on the phone and those
39:17
Speaker 6: administrators said, Sydney, this is you. This isn't Brenda. We
39:21
Speaker 6: know this is you. Click, the line goes dead. And
39:25
Speaker 6: what else we know based on the investigation is and
39:30
Speaker 6: what the blood spatter showed, she actually had the wherewithal.
39:37
Speaker 6: When she's told by her father the police are on
39:39
Speaker 6: the way, she goes outside the home as her mom
39:43
Speaker 6: is laying there dead or dying in a pool of blood.
39:46
Speaker 6: She goes outside the home to the back of the house,
39:50
Speaker 6: breaks in the window from the outside and her blood
39:55
Speaker 6: and Brenda's blood was later found on the outside of
40:00
Speaker 6: the home on the aluminum siding, So she actually had
40:04
Speaker 6: the wherewithal to go outside the home break in the
40:07
Speaker 6: window from the outside, as if an intruder had broken
40:10
Speaker 6: in from the outside. That's what she had the wherewithal
40:14
Speaker 6: to do in just these minutes. She only had minutes
40:17
Speaker 6: to think about this, and she was able to do
40:20
Speaker 6: this in that period of time, and when the police arrived,
40:23
Speaker 6: that's the first thing out of her mouth. There was
40:24
Speaker 6: a break in. There was a break in. She knew
40:27
Speaker 6: what she was doing.
40:28
Speaker 1: Ryan Stano, can you describe from me her demainer in
40:31
Speaker 1: court when you were trying this case.
40:34
Speaker 6: During during the beginning of the trial, I think she
40:38
Speaker 6: was definitely teary eyed and sad. There were actually moments that,
40:44
Speaker 6: to our surprise, which I had never seen in my
40:47
Speaker 6: career as a prosecutor, certain moments of this trial where
40:50
Speaker 6: the defense actually excused her from the trial. For when
40:56
Speaker 6: we were showing crime scene photos or the body camera
40:59
Speaker 6: from the police, anything graphic, he would actually excuse her
41:03
Speaker 6: from the trial by saying it was just too much
41:05
Speaker 6: for her to see. As the trial went on, I
41:10
Speaker 6: think she got less teary and a little more resolved
41:15
Speaker 6: and honestly, in my experience, Nancy, when there is a
41:21
Speaker 6: time in every trial where somebody who's on trial for murder, realizes,
41:25
Speaker 6: oh my goodness, I'm being held accountable. This thing's over.
41:30
Speaker 6: And I think in the middle of the trial it
41:32
Speaker 6: started to hit her. And from the innocent looking crying,
41:37
Speaker 6: trying to portray sadness, as the trial went on, she
41:42
Speaker 6: got more resolved, steely eyed, stone face, showing no emotion,
41:47
Speaker 6: and I think she knew she was in trouble.
41:49
Speaker 1: Were there times she would actually cover her ears.
41:51
Speaker 6: Yes, well, it looked like she was covering her ears,
41:55
Speaker 6: but from the way she was covering your ears, I
41:56
Speaker 6: still think she could hear everything that was being said.
41:59
Speaker 1: Okay, you're not a strinth, Brian, I get it, But
42:03
Speaker 1: what is with her? Why would she do this?
42:07
Speaker 5: She?
42:08
Speaker 6: I think she had a lot of expectations on her.
42:11
Speaker 6: She had was a great high school student, and when
42:13
Speaker 6: she got into got to college, it's like all the
42:18
Speaker 6: structure was gone and she got herself into such a hole,
42:22
Speaker 6: missing classes, terrible grades, academic probation, expelled from the university,
42:28
Speaker 6: and the keeping up of the lies. The will it
42:31
Speaker 6: takes to keep up lies for months, years, almost from
42:36
Speaker 6: your parents, the effort she has to make every day
42:40
Speaker 6: to lie, whether it's an active liear or a lie
42:43
Speaker 6: of omission, And it was all in that phone call
42:46
Speaker 6: that Brenda was making to those college administrators. It was
42:49
Speaker 6: all about to come crashing down on her. And I
42:55
Speaker 6: told that jury that it's inexplicable, it's illogical, but it's
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Speaker 6: not schizophrenia. It's not a psychotic break. She panicked, And
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Speaker 6: it was in that moment, that phone call, where it
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Speaker 6: was all was going to be revealed. She just couldn't
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Speaker 6: have that, so she panicked, She overreacted, and then she
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Speaker 6: tried to cover it up.
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Speaker 1: How well was she behind ours? Brian Stanin.
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Speaker 6: At least it's a life sentence in Ohio to murders
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Speaker 6: a life sentence. She'll be eligible for parole at the
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Speaker 6: earliest at fifteen years. The judge has some discretion to
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Speaker 6: sense her to even more time on some additional charges
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Speaker 6: like the tampering with evidence we added for staging the scene.
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Speaker 6: But it's a life sense a.
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dave Whitten, you ever seen anything like it?
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Speaker 7: No, I think mister Sano did such a great job
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Speaker 7: and the closing arguments bringing the whole case in the perspective,
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Speaker 7: and this was an irrational act. It wasn't insane, it
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Speaker 7: was irrational, and you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 7: struck me is it's kind of a shame that, you know,
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Speaker 7: we talked so much about the family structure, and I
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Speaker 7: just can't keep thinking, why didn't you you had a
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Speaker 7: family structure in place that was there. Why didn't you
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Speaker 7: reach out for help? A lot of kids go through
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Speaker 7: this every year when they go to college, they find
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Speaker 7: out it's not for them, And I keep thinking, how
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Speaker 7: did we get here when you know you have a
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Speaker 7: why didn't you reach out to somebody, talk to your
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Speaker 7: parents or And that's one of the mysteries is you know,
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Speaker 7: we don't know what happens, what happened in the house,
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Speaker 7: or as far as the relationships, But the question is
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Speaker 7: why couldn't you reach out and solve this problem that
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Speaker 7: so many people in this country go through.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you, Dave Whitten, based on what you
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Speaker 1: said earlier about all the years this mom devoted herself
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Speaker 1: to children with cancer. I think this mom was nothing
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Speaker 1: but loving and caring.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how long we can keep Sydney Powell
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Speaker 1: behind bars. Congratulations on the courtroom when I know that
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Speaker 1: you're mixed, Brian Stano, because you get the vertic you're seeking,
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Speaker 1: but that can never mend a broken heart. Same to you,
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Winning. Goodbye friend, Y