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Encounter on a Desert Highway · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining me for a new episode of UFOs and
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  Speaker 1: the Paranormal. I have a great episode for you today.
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  Speaker 1: I call this one Encounter on a Desert Highway. This
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  Speaker 1: is all about the UFO experiences of Susan Ware. She's
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  Speaker 1: had a lifetime of encounters, but there was an encounter
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight while driving through the deserts of
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  Speaker 1: central Utah that really changed her life. This has become
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  Speaker 1: a very well known case, and in fact, it became
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  Speaker 1: the Case of the Year of twenty twenty three for
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  Speaker 1: the Mutual UFO Network. Susan has worked with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different researchers and people to investigate her case and
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  Speaker 1: uncover what happened, including of course myself. She reached out
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  Speaker 1: to me after hearing about my research. But she also
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  Speaker 1: worked directly with Muffan Field investigator Richard Bannisek, and with
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  Speaker 1: Earl Gray. She worked with John Yost, a documentarian and
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  Speaker 1: an experiencer responsible for the book Alien Abduction Answers. She
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  Speaker 1: worked with The Amazing Dead's Shakti, a hypnotherapist who really
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  Speaker 1: helped her to remember what happened to her during this
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  Speaker 1: missing time encounter on a desert highway. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: truly incredible series of events starting really all the way
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  Speaker 1: in early childhood up to pretty much the present day.
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  Speaker 1: Susan's case is covered in my book Humanoids in High
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  Speaker 1: Strangeness twenty True UFO Encounters, and that tells the whole story.
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  Speaker 1: She's also the subject of a documentary film by Steve
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  Speaker 1: Neil called the Jack Reviitt Abduction. I'll have the link
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  Speaker 1: to that film in the show notes, so you can
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  Speaker 1: definitely check that out. But she's been on a number
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  Speaker 1: of podcasts, including The light Gate which I co host
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  Speaker 1: with Dolly Saffron, but also spaced Out Radio with Dave Scott,
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  Speaker 1: UAP podcast, a number of other different podcasts. So she's
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  Speaker 1: definitely getting the word out about her encounters. But in
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  Speaker 1: this particular episode, we're going to hear her whole story
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  Speaker 1: from beginning to end, and actually I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: start with her early childhood. I'm going to start actually
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  Speaker 1: when Susan was eighteen years old in nineteen seventy four,
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  Speaker 1: she was living in North Carolina and she decided that
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  Speaker 1: she was going to join the navy. So Susan did
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  Speaker 1: her boot camp in Orlando, Florida, and following this she
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  Speaker 1: was stationed at Naval Air Station in Norfolk, Virginia. But
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  Speaker 1: she really wanted to travel beyond the East coast, so
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  Speaker 1: she requested a transfer, and she hit the lottery. To
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  Speaker 1: her delight, she was transferred to Barber's Point Naval Air
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  Speaker 1: Station in Oahu, Hawaii. By the way, this area does
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  Speaker 1: have a long history of UFO encounters. Now, Susan was
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a pioneer. She was assigned to a
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  Speaker 1: squadron of four hundred men and she was only one
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  Speaker 1: of three women in the squadron, and she was actually
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  Speaker 1: the first woman on the flight line in the Sea
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  Speaker 1: one thirty and C one eighteen aircraft squadron. Her job
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  Speaker 1: involved checking the planes, over the batteries, the fuel, the
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  Speaker 1: anti ice fluids, making sure everything was cleaned up and
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  Speaker 1: ready to go right back out after coming in. So
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  Speaker 1: she enjoyed this. It was satisfying work. She learned a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and a few times she did get to fly, and
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  Speaker 1: a few times she noted strange anomalies in the sky,
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  Speaker 1: orange globelike objects. She was unsure if these were military
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  Speaker 1: or not, but they didn't seem to be military because
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  Speaker 1: nobody was talking about it. And one time, after seeing
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  Speaker 1: these things, she made the mistake of pointing one of
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  Speaker 1: them out to her superior and asking what it was.
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  Speaker 1: He was angry. He put his finger in her face
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  Speaker 1: and said, if you want to be the first one
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  Speaker 1: transferred out of here, say another word about it. And
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  Speaker 1: this was not the only time this sort of thing happened.
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  Speaker 1: On another occasion, she was on the line waiting for
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  Speaker 1: a plane to come in and saw strange lights over
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  Speaker 1: the water. She later asked a bowling buddy about it,
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  Speaker 1: and he gave her this warning look which clearly said,
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  Speaker 1: we don't talk about things like that, so of course
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  Speaker 1: she didn't. She did see another UFO once while flying
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  Speaker 1: in a C one thirty, and another time she was
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  Speaker 1: flying in a sea one eighteen and saw a quote
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  Speaker 1: big white silver ball which appeared to be pacing the plane,
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  Speaker 1: and before she could stop herself, she found herself asking
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  Speaker 1: what the heck is that. Once again, her superior was
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  Speaker 1: not happy, put his finger in her face again and said,
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  Speaker 1: you don't talk about that. You don't talk about it
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  Speaker 1: to me, you don't talk about that to anybody else
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  Speaker 1: unless you're planning your ticket out of here. So once
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  Speaker 1: again she kept that to herself. It always felt like
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  Speaker 1: a secret that was never explained, and she had no
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  Speaker 1: idea that one day she would see and experience these
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  Speaker 1: things firsthand and she would talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I saw a couple of things when we flew,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember the first time seeing something out the
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  Speaker 2: window and saying, what's that? And you know, everybody came
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  Speaker 2: over the window and looked out. But as soon as
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  Speaker 2: I said what is it, it's like, oh, we don't
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  Speaker 2: talk about that. We don't talk about that at all.
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  Speaker 2: You don't don't talk to anybody about that. And what
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  Speaker 2: did you see? The finger in the face? It was
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  Speaker 2: an orange ball? Uh huh. One time it was a
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  Speaker 2: dark gray ball, and one time it was an orange ball.
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  Speaker 2: One time it was between Hawaii and Kawhii, and the
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  Speaker 2: other time, Oh, I think we were just testing an engine,
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  Speaker 2: so we weren't very far. But I even asked somebody
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  Speaker 2: one time at the bowling alley and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we don't talk about that, And I thought,
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  Speaker 2: what is the deal. It has to be something if
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  Speaker 2: nobody's talking about it. I only flown a few times,
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  Speaker 2: How could they not see it all the time because
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  Speaker 2: they flew all over the Pacific. So you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was the first girl, and I was on the flight line,
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  Speaker 2: and I just learned real quick to keep my mouth shut.
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  Speaker 1: Really astonishing. She had several UFO sightings well in the Navy,
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  Speaker 1: and I think probably that's a lot more common than
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  Speaker 1: we hear about here in the civilian sector, because most
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  Speaker 1: people don't talk about it, as we've seen, they're instructed
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  Speaker 1: not to. So kudos to Susan for having the courage
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  Speaker 1: to come forth and share that she actually did see
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  Speaker 1: UFOs well in the Navy. And of course that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the end of her encounters. Susan did really well in
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  Speaker 1: the Navy. She excelled, She made a lot of friends,
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  Speaker 1: she learned a lot. She actually moved up in rank
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  Speaker 1: to third class petty officer, but ultimately she was transferred
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  Speaker 1: to NAS Naval Air Station on the North Island of
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  Speaker 1: San Diego. This is in nineteen seventy seven. This was
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  Speaker 1: great because it allowed her more free time. She had
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  Speaker 1: her weekends free, so she could explore the beaches, in
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  Speaker 1: the forests and the deserts of southern California. She had
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  Speaker 1: a lot more free time she had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good friends, and it was then that she started to
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  Speaker 1: have some more really unusual experiences. In fact, in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy eight, she and a group of friends took a
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  Speaker 1: cross country camping trip and off road trip into the
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  Speaker 1: Aenza Barrigo deserts of southern California, and it was there
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  Speaker 1: she had a UFO encounter and an amazing incident involving
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  Speaker 1: a missing shoe, and this was a mystery that would
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  Speaker 1: take years to solve. So this next experience was in
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  Speaker 1: early nineteen seventy eight. She and her friends were camping
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  Speaker 1: out in the wilds of the Anza Barrego Desert in
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  Speaker 1: southern California. They enjoyed the evening and had all gone
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  Speaker 1: to bed. It was very early in the morning, about
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  Speaker 1: three a m. Susan estimates. Everyone was quiet, and she
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  Speaker 1: woke up startled and noticed something bright moving in the
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  Speaker 1: sky overhead. The sky was full of stars. There was
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  Speaker 1: a new moon, so it was very noticeable, and she
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  Speaker 1: sat up and saw this blue green, sort of egg
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  Speaker 1: shaped object moving slowly and silently, and it approached to
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  Speaker 1: less than one thousand feet, she estimates, but was still
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  Speaker 1: kind of on the other side of the cliffs surrounding them,
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  Speaker 1: and she watched in total disbelief as this object shot
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  Speaker 1: out smaller sort of blue green glowing spheres which appeared
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  Speaker 1: to descend to the desert floor. Now they were in
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  Speaker 1: a kind of a ravine, so her view was limited,
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  Speaker 1: but she was amazed at how beautiful the color of
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  Speaker 1: these things were, and she wondered what she was looking at.
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  Speaker 1: Could it be some kind of military training, some sort
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  Speaker 1: of new flare. Whatever this egg shaped object was, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't making any sound, and these objects going to the
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  Speaker 1: ground weren't making any sound either. So after watching these
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  Speaker 1: little ords shoot out, this craft slowly floated to the
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  Speaker 1: east and Susan went back to sleep. Now, when she awoke,
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  Speaker 1: she started to get dressed, and this is when she
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  Speaker 1: noticed one of her shoes was missing. Now she did
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  Speaker 1: have it before she went to sleep, and now it
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  Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. So she asked the guys
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  Speaker 1: who took my shoe? And they just kind of looked
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  Speaker 1: at her dumbly and said, what are you talking about.
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  Speaker 1: They thought she was joking and they laughed, but no,
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  Speaker 1: she was serious, and they all denied stealing her shoe.
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  Speaker 1: Why would they do that? So everyone gathered together and
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  Speaker 1: they searched the whole camp, but her shoe was nowhere
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  Speaker 1: to be found. So she did approach her best friend there,
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  Speaker 1: gentlemen by the name of Rick, and shared her UFO
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  Speaker 1: siting that night, but he kind of just shrugged and
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  Speaker 1: said he didn't see anything, and apparently nobody else had.
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  Speaker 1: So everyone just kind of laughed about this missing shoe,
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  Speaker 1: except Susan. She didn't think it was particularly funny. They
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  Speaker 1: packed up the campsite and prepared to drive out. They
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  Speaker 1: were again off roading, so they were driving along in
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  Speaker 1: this little convoy of jeeps. It had gone about a
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  Speaker 1: mile when the lead jeep stopped. One of the men
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  Speaker 1: got out and pointed up to the top of a
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  Speaker 1: sheer cliff and said, do you see what I see?
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  Speaker 1: So Susan and everyone else peered up and stared in shock,
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  Speaker 1: and as Susan says, it was my shoe and was
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  Speaker 1: up on the very top of a pointed sheer cliff.
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  Speaker 1: There was no reason my shoe would have been up there.
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  Speaker 1: So everyone began laughing. They were absolutely in shock. They
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  Speaker 1: were saying, how did it get up there? That's hilarious?
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  Speaker 1: What did you do? How did it get there. Susan
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  Speaker 1: of course denied going up there. There was no way.
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  Speaker 1: This was a mile away. There was no reasonable explanation,
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  Speaker 1: so two of the guys climbed up there. It was
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  Speaker 1: quite difficult they retrieved it. They couldn't see any footprints
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  Speaker 1: around it. It looked as if it had been dropped
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  Speaker 1: from the sky. So this was a mystery that it
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  Speaker 1: looked like it would never be solved. But years later
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  Speaker 1: the answer would come in a very unexpected way. So
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  Speaker 1: Susan had her shoe back. They continued their way out
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  Speaker 1: of the desert, and it came upon another puzzling mystery.
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  Speaker 1: They were driving up and came upon a tumble of
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  Speaker 1: boulders that were blocking their passage. So using pulleys and
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  Speaker 1: other jeeps, they were able to make it over the boulders,
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  Speaker 1: only to disc something that seemed impossible. That lying in
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  Speaker 1: the center of this ring of boulders was an old
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  Speaker 1: green Buick Elektra with a black top. A car was weathered, rusted.
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  Speaker 1: It had clearly been there a long time, but there
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  Speaker 1: was just no way that this thing could have gotten
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  Speaker 1: there by itself. It was flatly impossible. Was far too
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  Speaker 1: large to have gotten over the boulders that were surrounding it.
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  Speaker 1: As Susan says, there's no way it could have gotten
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  Speaker 1: there other than if it was dropped from above. And
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what she told everyone there. They all laughed,
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  Speaker 1: but they were all incredibly puzzled. They spent some time
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  Speaker 1: there examining this car trying to figure it out. There
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  Speaker 1: were no license plates, was empty of all belongings, so
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  Speaker 1: ultimately it was just a weird mystery. One other thing
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  Speaker 1: that stood out on that Anza Barrego trip were these
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  Speaker 1: big jack rabbits that Susan kept watching crossing the highway
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  Speaker 1: on the way to the desert. She never forgot those,
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  Speaker 1: even she only caught brief glimpses of them. She really
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  Speaker 1: wanted to see them again, and later she would, but
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  Speaker 1: not in the way she expected.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of odd because I remember waking up
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  Speaker 2: and there was an egg shape. Now, remember we were
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  Speaker 2: in the ravine and so the you know, the peaks
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  Speaker 2: were all around us on both sides, but there was
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  Speaker 2: an egg shape of blue, kind of turquoisy blue thing
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  Speaker 2: that flew over total silence. You could hear the coyotes,
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  Speaker 2: you could hear the sounds of the desert, you could
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  Speaker 2: hear the fire crackling. These little do do do do dots. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's it in the ravine where we were, so you
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  Speaker 2: could see it. You could see them shooting out, but
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't. I kept waiting for a sound when it
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  Speaker 2: hit the ground, an explosion, a pop, anything. Nothing was.
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  Speaker 2: It was just total silence. And I was in the
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  Speaker 2: green jeek sleeping when I saw all that, and I
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  Speaker 2: saw the guys all laying around you could see on
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  Speaker 2: the picture laying around the fires. And it's really funny.
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  Speaker 2: I remember we needed more than one fire because there
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  Speaker 2: was some weird sounds out there. See ans Brego and
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  Speaker 2: it's Coyote Canyon, and we had gone past the third
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  Speaker 2: watering hole way out into the bad lands. It was
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  Speaker 2: just wild out there. So I didn't much think anything
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  Speaker 2: about it until the next morning when I couldn't find
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  Speaker 2: my shoe. We looked everywhere. They all teased me. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys, somebody had to take my shoe
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  Speaker 2: because I had both shoes when I got in here.
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  Speaker 2: You can't be in the desert without something covering your foot.
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  Speaker 2: And we'd been out all day and I had gotten
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  Speaker 2: in there, and then taken my shoes off and gone
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  Speaker 2: to sleep. So the next day, just out of the blue,
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  Speaker 2: they were all joking because I was, you know, saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you guys, I want my shoe. And we
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  Speaker 2: got everything loaded up and kept going forward. We did
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  Speaker 2: in the backtrack. We went forward deeper and about a
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  Speaker 2: mile away they found my shoe. They just stopped, what
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  Speaker 2: is that and why is your shoe up there? It
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  Speaker 2: was a mile away. Nobody had left camp, nobody had
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  Speaker 2: taken my shoe over there. It was bizarre. I could
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  Speaker 2: not figure it out. It's always been on my mind
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  Speaker 2: since nineteen seventy. This was probably seventy early seventy eight
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  Speaker 2: and my first trip out there. So the guys climbed
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  Speaker 2: up and got the shoe, and you know, we did
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  Speaker 2: the whole investigation. There were no walking marks, there were
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  Speaker 2: no cave ends around the shoe, there was nothing. It
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  Speaker 2: was just sitting on a sheer cliff by itself, just
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  Speaker 2: sitting there.
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  Speaker 1: Susan's unexplained experiences were really just beginning, and in fact,
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  Speaker 1: she would soon have one of the big of her
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  Speaker 1: entire life. In nineteen seventy eight, for a number of reasons,
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  Speaker 1: she decided to leave the Navy. She did really enjoy
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  Speaker 1: it there. It was very hard work. She learned a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but it just wasn't her life path. She really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to go visit her family back on the East Coast,
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  Speaker 1: so she decided that she was going to take a
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  Speaker 1: cross country trip. She asked her friend Karen if she
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  Speaker 1: would like to join her, and they were planning to
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  Speaker 1: just take their time, visit various national parks, visit friends
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  Speaker 1: that they knew across the United States, and just have
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  Speaker 1: a good time sightseeing and seeing all the country across
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  Speaker 1: the United States. And then it turned out that one
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  Speaker 1: of the officers in her squadron also had family in
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina. He had just bought a brand new Volvo
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  Speaker 1: and he wanted to get it transferred to the East Coast,
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  Speaker 1: and he offered to pay Sue in fifteen hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: if she would drive his car across the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So this was perfect brand new car, some spending money.
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  Speaker 1: Susan of course took the offer and she set off
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  Speaker 1: with Karen across the United States and what would be
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  Speaker 1: actually one of the most unusual experiences of both of
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  Speaker 1: their lives. It would change their lives forever Susan and
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  Speaker 1: Karen were very excited about their trip across the United States.
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  Speaker 1: They left California and headed to Arizona. They spent some
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  Speaker 1: time visiting the Grand Canyon and then headed north to
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  Speaker 1: Cedar City, Utah. So they planned to drive through the
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  Speaker 1: night until they reached Grand Junction, Colorado. This is a
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  Speaker 1: distance of just under four hundred miles. This would be
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  Speaker 1: a long night, but both of them felt up to it.
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  Speaker 1: With a long two lane highway through the desert, and
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  Speaker 1: they knew it would be beautiful in this silvery moonlight.
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  Speaker 1: And as Susan says, Karen was driving that night, after
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  Speaker 1: we gassed up, we were listening to music and I
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  Speaker 1: was telling her a few stories about four wheeling in
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  Speaker 1: the desert and those big old jack rabbits that were
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  Speaker 1: darting across the road just a few months ago in
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  Speaker 1: Barrigo Springs. So it was about nine to thirty PM
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  Speaker 1: as the moon began to peek over the tops of
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  Speaker 1: the mountains to their right, and it was just beginning
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  Speaker 1: to light up the desert floor. Through the passes and
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  Speaker 1: on the highway, the sky was crowded with stars. The
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  Speaker 1: traffic was almost non existent as they passed by the
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  Speaker 1: small town of Enoch. You can see the route here.
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  Speaker 1: And it was shortly after passing Enoch that Susan began
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  Speaker 1: to notice something strange. They had driven some miles on
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  Speaker 1: this road when suddenly the moon had grown dark and
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  Speaker 1: there was no longer any brightness shining on the desert floor.
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  Speaker 1: And she looked up and she couldn't even see any stars.
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  Speaker 1: So she turned to Karen again, who was driving, and said,
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  Speaker 1: where's the moon? Where are the stars? They don't just
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  Speaker 1: go out. The moon hasn't been up for more than
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  Speaker 1: a half an hour. Where did it go? So Karen
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  Speaker 1: had no answer. They were just listening to the radio.
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  Speaker 1: Steely Dan Doctor Wu was blaring loudly into the night.
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  Speaker 1: Their windows were open to enjoy the warm night air,
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  Speaker 1: but this weird, unnatural darkness seemed to settle over the
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  Speaker 1: landscape and around them, and everything was just eerily dark.
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  Speaker 1: So she asked Karen again, where did the moon go?
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  Speaker 1: And Karen said it was right there. So Susan's looking
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  Speaker 1: around and not seeing it and says, the moon's not there,
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  Speaker 1: where did it go? And she couldn't see stars either,
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  Speaker 1: so this was really freaking them out. Karen slowed the
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  Speaker 1: car down and she began looking back and forth up
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  Speaker 1: through the windshield. Susan reclined her seat back, was checking
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  Speaker 1: both sides of the road and behind them, and said,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I can't find the moon. There's no stars either. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: this is when they started to feel some a little
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: bit of fear because they could not explain this. They
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: were studying the landscape around them. It was as if
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they were driving through pure blackness. Really the only thing
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: visible was their headlights and the road ahead of them,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and as Susan says, I stuck my head out the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: window like a dog wood, and I looked in every
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: direction and the moon was gone, so there was no
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: traffic was really silent out. All they could hear was
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the music and the humming of their car. So they
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: decided they would pull over at the next rest stop
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and check out what was happening. And then without warning,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Karen slammed on the brakes and stopped cold in the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: middle of the highway, and both women stared in front
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of them on the highway, trying to make sense of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: what they were looking at, and Susan actually let out
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a small scream because, as Susan says, it felt like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: time stood still. In front of us were about twenty
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: big jack rabbits scattered on the road. They were huge,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: three feet tall, they had huge rabbit ears, and they
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: weren't really moving, and they were all facing away from us.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: So while they looked like jack rabbits, it was obvious
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to both of them that there was something not right
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: about them. They were far too large, they looked almost muscular.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: They were all standing perfectly still. There were far too
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: many of them, and they were just about fifteen feet
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in front of the car, scattered in a weirdly random pattern.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So they both opened the car doors and stepped out
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and took a few steps, and they were standing there
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: looking at these jack rabbits, and something seemed different to them.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's like time had shifted, Susan said. It was almost
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: as if things were moving in slow motion. And at
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: this point Susan screamed out, where are the moon? Where
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: are the stars? They're gone? Was at that second that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the car stopped, the headlights went out, the song on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the radio shut off, A surreal silence enveloped them, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: at that moment everything changed, because, as Susan says, we
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: stood there looking at the jack rabbits in the dark
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: for just a split second, and then this huge, round,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: bright white light came down from something that was above us.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It lit up the jack rabbits, us and the car,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and at the same time, every one of those giant
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: jack rabbits turned around in slow motion and stared at us.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Susan says, they moved in unison. Immediately she felt herself
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: gripped by a strange paralysis. She really wasn't sure if
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it was the fear or whatever it was that they
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: were staring at, because as the jack rabbits turned around,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: they were not jack rabbits anymore. There was no big ears.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: They were grays. They had gray skin, giant black, glistening eyes,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: really big eyes, so large and reflective that Susan could
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: actually see the moon and the stars reflecting in their eyes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: They were small, gray aliens. Both of them stood motionless.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Neither of them could believe what they were seeing. There
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: was no mistaking it. As Susan says, they were gray aliens,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: round headed, giant eyed beings, creatures, and with some of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: them you could see the reflection of the moon and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the stars in their eyes. So at this point they
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: both just completely panicked. Susan began screaming. Karen was struck dumb.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Both of them seemed paralyzed, and that's all they could remember.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: The next thing they knew hours had passed.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I noticed, and it's the weirdest feeling. I can feel
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it in me right now. It's like, wait a minute,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the moon just came up, so where is it? And
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I and I remember Karen looking up, you know, she
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: was looking up and it was so disturbing to me
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: because all of a sudden, it wasn't just the moon
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that was gone, it was the stars too, and it
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: became unusually black, but our headlights you could focus very
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: well in front of us. And then all of a sudden,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Karen came to a stop. And I remember I had
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: just said, oh, here's something else. About ten minutes before that,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I was telling Karen stories about Rick and I and something.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: We had seen these weird jack rabbits, and they're kind
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of like if you've ever seen a road runner when
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it crosses the road, it's just it's gone gone. You
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: don't see the body really, But that's what I had seen,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the jack rabbits, and I had told Karen about that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: So when you put all this together. We're blinking our
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: lights driving down, you know, and I'm talking about jack rabbits,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: who I'd love to see some of those jack rabbits.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And then I told her about it, and then the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: blackness start. So all of a sudden, the car comes
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to a stop, and we weren't thinking because at that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: point something else had started taking over, because we opened
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: our doors and we got out and walked around to
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the front of the car with the headlights on, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I remember it's pitch dark. The stars have disappeared and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the moon had disappeared, and I remember reaching over and
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: holding Karen's hand for a moment. And reason she stopped
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: is because there were giant jack rabbits in the road,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Three just like that, three or four feet tall, just scattered.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And it was so weird because we knew it was strange,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: but we weren't in our right presence. There was just
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: so and that wasn't right. And as we look at them,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there's a split second that now, Oh,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and the music was going really loud in the car.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: We were listening to Steely Dan Katie lied Doctor Wu
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and it was blasting. So all the blasting was coming out.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: We got the light and it's the only reality that
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: we have. And then all of a sudden, kaboom, the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: lights went out on the car stow. The music went silent,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and these white, huge sh the whitest white I have
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: ever seen, came over us. I'm having trouble swallowing. Came
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: over us, and it was in a circle all around
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the jack rabbits and us and the car. And at
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that split second, the jack rabbits all turned around just
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: like this, at the same time, they all went and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: looked at us, and they weren't jack rabbits. They were
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: gray aliens. And I couldn't say that for years. Karen
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: finally was the first one to say, were they gray aliens?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And I finally were like, yes, I can say it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And that was just last year, this year that I've
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: just been able to say that. And they turned around.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Their eyes were gigantic, and when I screamed, where is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the moon and the stars? They were in the eyes
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of those aliens. The moon and the stars were in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: those gigantic eyes, and they all moved so weird and
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: slow motion, very weird.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So this was a very strange series of events. The
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: stars and the moon disappearing, coming to a stop in
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the middle of the highway and seeing all these jack rabbits,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: these rabbits turning around and revealing themselves to be gray ET's,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: seeing a light coming from above, and then the next
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: thing Susan and Karen know, they are waking up in
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a diner. They later found out it's Randy's Diner in
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Grand Junction, Colorado. They were sitting at a table. They
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: were very tired, very disoriented. There was a waitress there
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: who shook them awake and said, honey, it's time to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: wake up now. And they looked around an absolute confusion
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: because they were no longer on this desert highway in Utah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: They were miss diner and it was morning. They looked
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: at the clock. It was six point twenty eight am,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and it slowly dawned on them that they were missing
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: hours of time. It ended up being about nine hours
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of time, and they were over one hundred two hundred
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: miles away from their original location. So this began a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: real journey of discovery of what happened during this missing time.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Years following this incident, Susan did some research and they
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: now believe that the diner that they woke up in
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: was Randy's diner. You can see it here. The waitress
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: told them that she actually watched them pull up in
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the volvo, come inside the diner and just lay their
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: heads on the table as if they were exhausted, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: she said they lay there for about ten minutes when
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: finally she walked up to them and woke them up.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So when they woke up, both Susan and Karen had
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: a raging thirst. They were parched. They ordered glasses of
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: water and a couple of doctor peppers and tried to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: figure out what had just happened. They quickly down to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: their drinks and asked for more. Both felt really ill,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: They were flushed, nauseous. Their skin felt like I was
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: on fire. They had really dry mouths and looked almost
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: as if their eyebrows and hair had been singed. Both
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of them were disoriented to the point that they had
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: trouble thinking and even speaking. Neither of them had any
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: memory of how they had gotten there, and as Susan says,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I was covered with burns, I felt sick and blisters
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: were starting to form on my face, neck and stomach.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: So as she sat there, Susan immediately began having flashbacks.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: She of course remembered the car stopping the jack rabbits
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: on the highway. She remembered getting out and screaming when
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: these rabbits turned around to reveal themselves as gray aliens.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: She remembers the light coming down from above and screaming.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: She also recalled other flashes of memory. One was particularly vivid.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: She recalled dropping down from the sky at a very
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: high altitude. The wind was roaring around her. She could
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: see the red desert landscape below her. She also had
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: flashbacks of being in a strange, foggy room. It was
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: very clear to her what had happened. She had been
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: taken on board a UFO and these were gray aliens,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: but the whole idea of it was so staggering, so unbelievable,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: she could barely process it. She could barely talk about it,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: especially because Karen didn't remember any of this. The last
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: thing Karen remembered was watching the sunset and Cedar City
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: before they even began driving through the desert. So after
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: sitting there in the diner for a short while, they
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: found a cheap motel and they spent the next two
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: days recovering. Neither of them spoke much about what happened.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: They did check the car and they found that the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: odometer was missing about four hundred miles from their trip,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and the gas too. They were making careful notations of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the gas and the miles driven, so they were absolutely
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: certain about this. So that was weird, but they were
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: determined to continue their trip, so they moved on. They
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: visited Pike's Peak in Colorado and then Lake Dylan. They
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: still had to deliver this car to North Carolina, and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: they were determined to have fun while doing it. They
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: did occasionally discuss what happened. They asked each other how
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the hell did this happen? Several times, like where were we?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: But at the same time they felt unable to say
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: much more about it, especially because nine hours of time
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: were missing. And as Susan says, it really messes up
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: your mind when something totally unexplained happens and then you
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: can't even talk about it to the one person that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it happened with. Sharing something so traumatizing seemed to block
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: my memory. It also gave me deep fear to try
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and think about it too much at any one time,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: because I got those memory flashes that made no sense.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: They were alarming in every way. I remembered those huge
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: black eyes filled with stars, and the car turning off
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and the music falling silent, all in the same moment.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I remember falling in my dress through space, through the sky.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: From so high up, I could see the curvature of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the Earth. I could clearly see the blazing bright sun
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: beginning to rise and splash bright red light onto the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: ground below me. I was falling super fast, and I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: could hear gusting winds and feel the searing heat as
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the sun came over the east to below. I remember
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: all the red rocks and masa's and rock formations below
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: me glowing as I got closer to Earth. I remember
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: falling through what I knew her layers of atmosphere blacks, blues,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and then the earth below me. I was afraid of
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: hitting the ground. And then I woke up with Karen
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in that blasted diner at six twenty eight am, with
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: splotchy burns on my body. So they continued to drive
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: through Kansas and then Missouri, turning north in Saint Louis
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and driving up to some friends home in Elgin, Illinois,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and slowly they began to return to a semblance of normalcy.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: They stayed there for a while, then went to Wisconsin,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: where they stayed with other friends. Stayed there a little while,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and then decided to just strive to Susan's family in
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. It was now September twenty third. They had
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: been on the road for about ten days, and during
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: all this time, Susan still felt the presence of the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Eties around her, as she says, I still felt like
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: they were kind of with me the whole trip, like
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: watching us. Had this weird paranoia during the whole thing.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: So she stayed at her home for a few weeks
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: started to get really sick again. It happened very quickly.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: She had an intense pain on her lower right side.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: She developed one hundred and three degree fever pretty much overnight,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: vomiting diarrhea. Her father bought her some medicine and Susan
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: basically went into a deep sleep for two days, and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: when she woke up she was feeling much better. All
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the pain in her side was gone. She now wonders
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: if perhaps the ETS came back and healed her, and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: she says, was it divine intervention? I'm thinking it was
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: probably a different kind of intervention. I think it was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a healing from whatever happened, but I don't have any
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: proof of that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: We woke up in a diner in Colorado, just like
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: ve were down. My mouth got real dry talking like this.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: This is the first time I've ever like really said
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it caared, and I'm sure she probably remembers mine because
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: we said where are we? What are we doing here?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Total panic, absolute terror? And we were covered in radiation
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: burns like blistered blisters had started. They weren't all blistered,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: some of them were. They were just red, raised splotches
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: and really nauseous, super dry mouth. I felt like my
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: sinness is my whole body was dried up, which you know,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you could you could rationalize that, as you know, we've
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: been a desert rat for twenty four hours, but that's
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: not It was just something really wrong because we were
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: in this diner and how we woke up. Wash She
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: came from behind and she said, honey, time to wake
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: up now. The waitress did, and you know, where are we?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, what are we doing here? Karen and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I totally lost. We just had a weird expression. I
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I could ever even know that expression.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It was a it was scared, it was lost, I wounded.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It was like everything at all at once. And I said,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: what time is it? And she said six twenty eight am.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And the clock was on the wall and the sun
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: was coming up, and our car was parked in the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: front of this diner out the big windows where we
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: could see it. And I said, how long have we
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: been here? And she said ten or fifteen minutes? You know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: can I get you anything? And we're like doctor Pepper,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: you know, soda, water, everything, and what the problem was
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that we couldn't talk about it? It was so odd
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: looking at her, you know, two feet away, and we
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: couldn't speak of it. It was it's like the words
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: something stopped it between your brain and your mouth. But
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the terror was in your heart. But at the same
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: time that I couldn't speak, I was having this. This
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: was the most terrorizing part. I remembered falling from the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: sky and I fell for a long time, and I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: saw the curve of the earth. I saw the curve
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: of the earth, that's the picture. And I saw the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: sun coming up and I saw it literally coming through
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the the points of the different points of the between
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the mountains. The sun came in and lit up the desert,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: which was all red rock. Everything in that area Grand
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Junction is all red rock. And I saw it, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: that really messed my mind up because I could feel it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I could feel the burn. I think that's probably where
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I got the radiation burns. I could feel the burning
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of my skin. I felt like my eyebrows had singed off,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and to this day, I have like zero hair on
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: my arms. It's never come back. And I itched all
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: over and all this was going through my head, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what we did, or I know we
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: went to a hotel, and I know it was some
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: gross hotel like cinderblocks maybe you know, like an old hotel,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: but you know, this was the seventies and it was
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: in the highway and it was in the middle of
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the desert, so it's not like it was now, but
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: it was kind of like a root sixty six hotel.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: We noticed that when we got back in the car
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and we were writing down the numbers, we still had
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: gas in the tank and we didn't have that three
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five miles on the odometer. So that
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: tells me the car had to be taken with us
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: and it had to be laid down there. That's why
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I had asked the waitress, did you see us pull in?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And she said, no, I just looked up and you
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: were there. So it's like I still wish I would
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: have known and they didn't have cameras like they do now,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: or that would have been the first thing I did
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, did I come out of the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: sky or did we drive up or what? Because she
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: did say Karen was driving, and I do have a
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: memory before the hypnosis of exiting the car and standing
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and then Karen and I looked across the street to
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: this giant red rocks. It was a single you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the red big mesa all by itself was across the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: street out the diners. So we didn't know how to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: go back. You had to go forward because there was
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: no going back. Going back was impossible to talk about it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: And the more we tried, the more the block came,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and you could feel like an oppression. I don't know
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: how to say it, but it could feel like the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: op pressure, like you were never alone like the whole
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: rest of the trip. But we ended up going to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Pike's Peak, which you know, fourteen thousand feet. I remember
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: seeing black smoke come out the back of the car.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: And then two days later I got really sick, like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: so sick that Daddy was having to carry me with
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: projectile vomiting. And let's just say I had it from
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: both ends. It was that bad. And my stepmother wrapped
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: me in a towel while Daddy carried me to the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: bathroom because I was completely unable to walk. I hurt
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: so bad on my right side, I thought I was
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: going to die. You know, I didn't know how long
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I had been asleep, but I wasn't hurting and I
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't sick. I had I drank a whole lot and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: just I remember just laying on the sofa watching TV
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: for about two or three days, and I didn't talk
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: about what had happened. But I figured my daddy knew
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: because I had told him, and I remember little pieces
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of telling in the story, and I know that he
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: just couldn't understand because I've got the I've got the
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: burns on me, I got the marks on me. On
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: my back, I have three marks that look like giant
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: exploded blood vessels. One here, one here, one here, Just
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: boom boom boom went on each side of my spine
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and then one shortly off to the side of my spine,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and they just looked like dark red blood vessels, which
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: they have been there since that day.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So now that she's back in her family's home in
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, she's pretty much fully recovered, at least physically,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: from this incredible encounter in Utah. Mentally, it's another thing.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: She was really confused about what had happened. There wasn't
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that she could talk to about this.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: She did try to tell her family, and while they
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: were very supportive, they did not know what to make
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of it, and Susan herself became quite obsessed with this encounter.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: You know what happened? Who were these jack rabbits? You
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: know these were ET's. That was pretty clear to her.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Karen didn't remember really any of this, so she was
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: largely alone with all of this, But now she did
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: have the time to sort of just sit back and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: think about it, and one of the things she started
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to think about was the fact that as a young
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: girl she did have some really unusual encounters, including what
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: appears to be an encounter with gray ET's. It was
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: around age four that Susan woke up one evening to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: see a stranger peering into the window of her front door. Now,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: she couldn't quite remember what the face looked like, only
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: that he looked very different from a normal human, and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it frightened her so bad that she actually climbed right
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: over the radiator to get back into her room, hid
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: under the covers, peeked outside, but whatever it was was gone.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: The next morning, Susan's mother noticed that her knees were
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: a little burned, and Susan explained that she had climbed
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: on the radiator, but didn't say anything about the weird
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: face that she had seen looking at her through the window.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And this same sort of event happened at least twice
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: more that she can remember. At age five, they moved
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to a new house, but these weird experiences continued. In fact,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: one evening, Susan woke up to find herself outside the house,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: with no idea how she got there. Now, she says,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I got outside and I had to crawl in one night,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I don't remember how I got outside. And it was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: around this time that Susan began having a series of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: very disturbing and vivid dreams about war. As she says,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I used to have these awful dreams, nightmares of military
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: tanks on my street and my tiny little neighborhood in
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. Tanks on the street, plowing over everybody's cars,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: over the trees and homes. Everything. So these nightmares puzzled her.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: She had no idea where they came from. She was
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: so young, she had never been exposed to anything like this.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Yet these dreams repeated over and over again. Kind of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: like a warning, is how she interpreted it. And it
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was during this time that Susan began to develop a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: very strong interest in nature. She would spend many hours
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: out in the backyard woods near her home. She says,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I just remember being very in tune with every animal
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: in the forest. She also started having psychic experiences. She
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: became very intuitive and psychic. This was a talent which
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: would definitely help her throughout her life. But other than
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes clashing with her mother, she had a very happy childhood.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: She did have some weird experiences, but she took them
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in stride. She got good grades in school, she had
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: lots of friends, and before she knew it, she was
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: an adult. She joined the Navy, and then, of course,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: she had this amazing encounter in nineteen seventy eight on
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: this desert highway in Utah, and that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Way, I could see a straight line to where the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: front door is in the living room, and I could
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: hear my dad come home, because he was a cop
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and you'd come home about eleven. But I guess he
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: was already home and I had missed it. But I
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: heard the like the handle on the door. And this
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: is when we lived on the Plaza in Charlotte, in
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: a little small house. And when I looked, there was
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a weird face and those three little windows at the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: top of the door, there was a weird face. It
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: was like a big head and big eyes and weird.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And I remember I needed to go to the bathroom.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: So I rolled off the bed, you know, like a
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: tactical manner, and I crawled on my hands and knees
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: as fast as I could to the bathroom, which is
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: a central hallway, and my parents' room was next door,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: but my brother was in the same room as I was,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and I remember hitting that heated grade on the heater
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: in the floor, and it just like burned my knees.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But I went to the bathroom and then I was
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: real careful, But I don't know why but I couldn't
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: look at the door. It scared me so bad. I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: remember being a total panic mode and I just went
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: back to the bed and covered up my head, you know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: But then I would see uh oh there at the window.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: And in the summer, the window was always open because
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: there was no ac back then, and of course it
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't as hot as it is now. But we just
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: always had, you know, the crickets out that it was
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: just a normal that's what you did back then.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, I was having recurrent dreams that would show me
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: tanks in the streets, like military tanks, and chaos and
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: explosions and loud sirens and it was so chaotic in
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: my dreams. Sometimes I couldn't stand it and it would
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: flash like so it wasn't a regular dream. It was
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: almost like a strobe kind of effect. Yeah, and it
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: even bothered me my whole life. I couldn't stand even
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: as a teenager. You know, good old parties and they
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: got a stroke. It's like, nope, no stroke for me.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Find myself sleepwalking in the yard and I don't in
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: my little Jammy's, you know, And I couldn't get back
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: in unless the door was unlocked and sometimes we would
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: leave it unlocked, but I couldn't get in because the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: windows were way up off the ground.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: So now we move up to the present. She's living
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Following this incredible encounter in nineteen seventy
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: eight on this desert highway in Utah which totally changed
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: her life. She knew something had happened. The images of
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: what she'd experienced, the grays, you know, seeing herself high
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: above the earth or flashing through her mind, started to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: cause her some anxiety. She didn't like driving alone at night. Ultimately,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: she wasn't happy living on the East Coast, so she
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: moved with her husband. They got married to California. They
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: tried to have children, but ended up having a couple
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: of miscarriages. So this was very difficult for her, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: ultimately she just tried to live a normal life and
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: shoved this experience out of her mind and move on
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: with life. But of course this didn't turn out quite
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the way she expected. You know, when contactees usually have
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: a lifetime of unusual experiences, and certainly that was true
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: with Susan because one time she went out camping with
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: her husband and a really good friend and they started
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: having some unusual encounters with what they believed to be Bigfoot.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: One of Susan's favorite places to go camping was in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Julian in southern California. This area is surrounded by forested wilderness,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and she and her husband and their friend just loved
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: camping at Lake Cuyamaka, and with their military training, they
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: were easily able to navigate through the wilderness, which they
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: often did. On one memorable occasion, they got to a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: favorite meadow which they knew pretty well, and this is
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: when the fog suddenly moved in and to their surprise,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: they found themselves lost and disoriented. They couldn't hear any
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: traffic on the road. It was clear to them that
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: they did not know where they were. It was starting
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to get dark and chili and this is when they
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: began to hear this creepy sound of big branches snapping
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: on the edge of the meadow. It sounded to Susan
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: like a massive creature, but they weren't able to see
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: any animals because of the fog and the darkness. But
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Susan remembers it well because she had the urge to run,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: but she knew that if this was a bear, running
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: would probably be a bad idea, and she had this
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: weird feeling that it was watching them, and she was
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: sort of drawn to follow the sounds of the footsteps
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: along the edge of the meadow. As Susan says, we
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: kind of followed the crunching and it took us to
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the road. It was almost like whatever was out there
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: knew that we were lost, and we followed it. It
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: always kept the same distance. The next thing we knew
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: were on the road. We don't know what led us,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: but we were all led. Whatever it was, it was big.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I always thought it was walking on two feet versus
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: four feet. That's why it was so creepy. I was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: drawn to follow it and had not felt that feeling
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: in those woods before. I had felt the strangeness in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the desert, but never in the mountains of Julian. This
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: area has always been a safe zone for camping. Now
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: was this a bigfoot? It could be. I looked it up.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: There is a history of bigfoot encounters in this area,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: but they never really discussed it, and it was only
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: a few weeks later, while camping near the same area
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: at the Passo Picacho campgrounds, that she and her husband
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and this same friend had another experience which made it
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: clear certainly to Susan that Bigfoot was in fact in
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: this area. This was still a pretty remote area at
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that time, with camping spots that were widely separated and private.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: So they spent the day hiking around and enjoying the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: serene beauty of Lake Cuyamaca and all the forests and creeks,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And when night arrived, they returned to their campsite. They
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: set up a small dome tent which they all shared.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: They got in the tent and they were sleeping in
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: their sleeping bags. They had a campfire which had just
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: burned down, and at some point during the night they
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: were all asleep, but Susan was awakened by movement outside
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the tent. At first, she wasn't really startled, but she
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: became aware that someone or something was walking around her campsite.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: She could actually hear it fumbling around with an empty bottle,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and in the next few seconds she became quite frightened
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: because she went from wondering what this sound was to
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: seeing a big, dark shadow between the flickering fire and
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: the thin nylon tent. So whatever was out there was
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: just a few feet away from her and then, in
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: a split second, looking through the thin nylon tent fabric,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Susan saw a giant arm reach over the top of
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the tent and actually pushed down the center top, directly
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: over her. It made a squishing sound when it hit
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the tent. She saw an impression of a giant hand.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Without thinking what she was doing, she just reacted instinctively.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: She reached up and pushed her own hand on this
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: other hand and screamed, get out. Now. This hand was
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: easily twice the size of her own hand. It had fingers,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: She could clearly feel them through the tent, and, as
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Susan says, was like giving a high five to a
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: giant strong hand. It instantly drew back. When I screamed,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I heard whatever it was leave with a few quick
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: steps away towards the back of the tent and then
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: head into the woods by the trail, and then silence,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: total silence in the woods. So Susan screamed, waking up
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the other two. She told them what happened, but they
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: accused her of dreaming the whole thing. Susan insisted that
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: she was awake. She also noticed this musty, swampy kind
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of wet dog smell in the camp site through the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: tent that had not been there before. She knew it
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: was the smell of whatever that thing was, and she
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: was creeped out because she had actually almost touched this thing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: She lay there awake for some time, making sure that
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: whatever this was was not returning. She kind of knows
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: what it was. She thinks it was a bigfoot, but
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: after hearing the sounds of the forest returning, listening to
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the fire crackling, she went back to sleep. The next morning,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: she again explained what happened, and they both told her
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: she must have been dreaming. But as Susan says, little
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: did they know that a big creature on two legs,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: very tall and stinky, had walked into our camp, touched
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the glass bottle and made it move on the ground,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: which woke me up. I made a giant shadow on
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the tent, and its giant hand had literally pushed the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: top of the tent down to within a foot of
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: my face, and I had slapped it and screamed, and
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: it ran away. It was on two feet, This was
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: not a four footed creature. It stunk, and its steps
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: were gigantic, and it got away so fast. That was
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the weirdest thing.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: That was near Julian and it was so simple. I
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: set up at night. I could see the fire flickering.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: We had been drinking a little bit that night and
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: there was a bottle with clink, and my husband was
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: beside me and Jackie was with me, and I saw
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: that monster. I saw the hand gigantic. I could hear
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: him breathing, and he pushed the top of our tent
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: down and it was like this close to my head
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: and I screamed gi out and I remember it was
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: like high five in the big Foot. It was gigantic.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: The hand was powerful and I heard full full and
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: it left, and I was shaken. Jackie had jumped up
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and she was on me, and Chuck was under us,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: and he came up like what happened? You know, like
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: nobody knew what happened but me. I had just touched
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: a bigfoot and I know that that's what it was,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: because if it was a bear, we would have been eaten,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: we would have been mauled, and that tent would have
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: been torn up. So and honestly, it had this feeling
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: like a hand. I felt the energy of that thing.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: It was just it was gigantic. And the palm was
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: as big as my whole hand, and I heard the
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: from him or it. It left off the back of
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: the tent, and it's the same place. Two weeks or
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: three weeks before, we had had this weird fog movie
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: in and I had followed the sound of whatever that
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: was in the woods until we got to the road,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and I think it was the same thing. So that
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: was up at Paso Pikacho outside of Julian. I think
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: they're all related. All of that's related experience. One you're
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: open to enough, or something clicks in you that you're
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: accepting to that. Because it didn't, it wasn't so scary
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: until it came down on my head once I touched
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: it and pushed with all my might, screaming it did.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: It did. And we went back to that campground many
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: times and never had anything like that. Oh it's dunk,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: that's what they could smell it. That's the whole thing.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: They could smell it too. So it definitely happened because
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I was already sitting up and very aware of, Oh,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: something's out there, you know, the first thing I thought
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: was it could be a bear, and we were very
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: prepared that we didn't have anything in the tent with this,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and everything was locked in the car, but that doesn't
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: always stop them from coming in anyway.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: So once again Susan found herself pretty much alone and
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: isolated with her unusual experiences, particularly that second one, the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: bigfoot pushing its hand down on the tent. She was
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: the only one who experienced that, so that's an added
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: level of stress certainly, but life goes on. She and
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: her husband finally were successful. They had two kids, a
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: son and a daughter. But following the birth of her
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: son a couple of years later, she started experiencing some
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: gynecological problems that ultimately necessitated having a hysterectomy, and it
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: was following this that she found out some medical mysteries
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: about herself that really puzzled her doctor and of course Susan.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Following Susan's surgery, the doctor wanted to speak to her
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and he told her everything went fine, but I've never
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: seen anything like what I found in you. Your right
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: ovary has totally disappeared down to a little scar tissue.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: It was totally missing, and he told her that it
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: looked as though her appendix had exploded at some prior time,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that there was evidence of a prior surgery with cauterization
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: exposure to high heat. It looked like there was a
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: little laser scar on the appendix. Whatever had occurred, the
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: doctor said it had been done years ago. He said
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: he had never seen what he found inside her appendix,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: these small, little pellet sized balls of hard matter, so
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: he couldn't be sure what that was. He was baffled
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: by it, and he looked at Susan with questioning eyes,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: asked her if she had ever had surgery before, because
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: in her paperwork she said that no, she had never
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: had surgery other than a brief surgery on her left ankle,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: so she had no idea how to explain what he
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: was telling her. The doctor said, well, near bellybotton, you've
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: got this inch long scar. You've had some kind of surgery,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: or we wouldn't have found all this. Now, Susan knew
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: she had never had surgery. She didn't know what to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: say about all of this. She had no answer, so
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: she and her doctor were equally confused. She left the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: hospital two days later to recoup at home and then
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: returned to work. She often thought about the doctor's findings,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: didn't share it with anyone it was all too strange
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: and confusing, so she had no idea what had happened
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: to her, and she had no way to explain it.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: She did wonder if this whole thing had something to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: do with that strange encounter in the desert years earlier
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, those nine hours of missing time,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: and she wondered, perhaps if this was a healing or
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: intervention from these beings, what else could she think? It
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: was just another strange, unexplained occurrence, and once again there
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: was no one to talk to about it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: So here's the grab her here. After I had my children,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I couldn't get my period right, and I just was
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: sick for three years and I had gone to two
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: different doctors. We got to do something. So I finally
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: went to a doctor in Ventura and I said, he said, well, okay,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I got a couple of options, and I said, no,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: let's just have a hysterect. To me, that's the only officer,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Let's just do it. I don't want any more children,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: and I can't stand living and you know that controlling
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: me anymore because I was a fun person and it
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: was bothering me. So I go in and have the hysterectomy.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And the next morning when the doctor comes in, he says,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: you told me you had never had surgery before, And
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I said, no, I hadn't. But during while I was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: pregnant with my daughter, I had a hip cast on
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and I was on a walker and eight surgeries on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: my ankle, but never have I had in kind of surgery,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: you know, my gurkhi parts. So he said, well, that's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: really bizarre because what I found was on your right
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: side where you're having all that thin. Your right ovary
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: was missing, and the fallopian tube had been attached to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: your appendix. And at some time your appendix had exploded
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: or versed and then been folded up nice and neat
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: and sealed with some kind of high carterization like a laser.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: And we don't use that. So what is this? I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: had no idea. I knew, but I wasn't about to say. Oh.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: That's when I got beamed up. I mean, oh, you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: just don't do that, so you know, he asked me
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: again later on that day. I am so confused by this. Oh,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and then he told me inside, what are you taking
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: my appendix out? He said, here's the real kicker. When
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I took your appendix out. Inside it was a sack
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: of pellet sized like hard rocky like raisin pellets. It
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: was full of those, and I don't even know what
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: those are. So we're going to send this off. Well,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I never heard about that again what that was? And
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he sent it off, But I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: was so weirded out the fact that he found something
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: foreign in me, and that I had conceived two kids
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: and only had one left over it and all that
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: time I had all that pain on that side. So
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: what do you say to that?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Once again, Susan found these unexplained experiences stacking up in
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: her life, UFO sightings, medical mysteries, big Foot encounters, and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: of course it was more than that. The vast majority
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: of UFO contactees started experiencing a profound number of paranormal
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and psychic experiences, And that was absolutely true with Susan.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Became an almost daily thing with little premonitions and synchronicities
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and just paranormal events of all kinds, and in fact,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: there were so many of them she's kind of earned
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: this nickname which they would call Susan's World, because she
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: lived in this world of unexplained events. And everyone who
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: knew her became aware of this because it was so
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: common for Susan. One memorable psychic event occurred one evening
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: when Susan's daughter came home from a date and Susan
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: could tell she was lying about where she had been,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: so she listened to the story and said, that's weird
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: because I saw you in some they's basement drinking beer
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: and playing charades. And her daughter became immediately frustrated because
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: this was something her mother always did, and Susan's daughter admitted, well,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what I did. She couldn't light her because
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: her mom was remote viewing her. As Susan says, I knew,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I literally saw her. I was in the room with her.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be It's not like I tried
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to see what she was doing. Her son was a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: little bit more rebellious, and occasionally Susan had to drive
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: around to find him, and she learned that if she
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: just mentally asked for help, she could locate him. And,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: as Susan says, I would say, angels, can you just
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: show me where he is? And every single time it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: never failed. The next turn I made the car lights
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: would shine on him, he would get in the car
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and I would bring him home. So there's some kind
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: of guidance. So these weird psychic events and intuitions and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: synchronicities were a pretty much daily occurance. Became very well
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: known among Susan's family and friends. Became a well worn joke.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: They called it Susan's world life marched on. Susan didn't
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: share her UFO experiences with anyone. She tried, but nobody
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: around her showed any real interest in this subject, and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: besides her own, experiences seemed to have come to an end.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: But still in the back of her mind, she knew
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that one day she would have to explore what happened
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: to her, and this encounter continued to affect her, as
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: she says, I had a major fear of a lot
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: of things. I feared it would happen again. I was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: afraid to be alone. She deliberately avoided going anywhere near Utah.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Only later did she consciously realize that this was probably
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: because of that encounter and that she might have a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: repeat experience. Sadly, in two thousand and two, Susan's father
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: passed away. The evening of the funeral, she and her
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: sister stayed up late looking through a photo album and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: reminiscent and that's when they saw this cluster of sparkly
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: lights up here in the corner of the room, and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Susan knew instantly that it was her father. She could
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: sense it. Both she and her sister observed these lights
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: until Susan became overcome with curiosity and she walked up
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: to them and stuck her hand among them, and she
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: immediately could feel her father's presence, and she says it
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: was like a last hug goodbye. Her sister was frightened,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: but Susan found the experience comforting.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And all through my life, I would see what was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: getting ready to happen, and when you got kids, you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: got to kind of like stop it because if you don't,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have a disaster. Because my son was very,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: very active and not the usual, and he took a
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: lot of time, and that was my superpower. Every time
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: he ran away to find him, I literally would stay
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: out loud, angels, I need you now. As I'm driving,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I would just scream it out, angels, I need you now.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Every time I would know exactly where to turn and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: the lights would hit him and he'd go, oh, let
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: it get in the car.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty much all the contactees I've interviewed experienced many
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: paranormal and psychic events. So in a way, that's not
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: all that unusual. But for the people who I have
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: to deal with this, yeah, it can be stressful. So
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Susan has pretty much moved on with her life. Her
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: kids grew up, they moved out, she and her husband
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: became empty nesters, and at that point she discovered her
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: husband's infidelity and she and her husband decided to separate.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: And this allowed Susan a lot more free time to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: work on herself and really think about her life path
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and all the things that had happened to her. She's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: a very successful artist. You can see some of the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: drawings of her experiences in this video. She makes little
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: mermaid houses and things like this. So she's really working
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: on herself, and it became time to sort of look
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: back on her life and look into this one experience
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: on the Desert Highway in nineteen seventy eight with this
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: ufone Connor to try to figure out what happened. She
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: finally felt like she had found the strength and courage
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: to really face this head on. In a way that
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: she had never done before. And this is where it
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: got super interesting, because it was on May third, twenty
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: twenty two, that she decided, you know what, I'm just
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: going to go to my computer typing the word to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: UFO and see what I can find. And by this
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: incredible synchronicity, what came up was a film called Alien
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Abduction Answers by John Yost. It had been released that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: very day. This was such an incredible synchronicity that she
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: ended up reaching out to John Yost and this really
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: began her journey of discovery and healing to figure out
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: what exactly happened to her on that fateful night in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight on this desert highway in Utah. So
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: looking at this movie, Alien Abduction Answers by John Yost,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Susan learned that he himself was an experiencer seeking answers
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: and that his movie was part of his journey to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: fine answers. It was so weird that that movie was
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: premiering that very day. The synchronous city was so incredible
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: that Susan decided to buy the movie, but it filled
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: her with anxiety. It took her a long time to
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: watch this movie, she kept turning it off because everything
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: felt so familiar that it made her anxious and almost nauseous.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: It made her own experience come rushing back to her,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: almost to the point that she was reliving it. So
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: this was an incredible revelation for her. So after watching
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: this movie, she knew that the time had come to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: allow herself to confront her experience. It was time to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: investigate the facts of that strange encounter in the desert.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: As Susan says, I've always known it wasn't time to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: talk about it, but John's movie said it's time. So
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: she reached out to him, and to her surprise, he
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: wrote back to her, and after hearing about her experiences,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: John suggested that she contact Dev's Shokt Buller, a quantum
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: hypnotherapist who was featured in this film. So Susan did
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: her research on Dev's and was very pleased with her
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: approach to this subject and booked a session. She was
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: very nervous on the day of the session, but at
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: the same time, she felt as though John Yost had
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: almost saved her life by making this movie. So despite
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: her anxiety, she moved forward with hypnosis and to her delight.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: This session was a huge success. She was able to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: relive the experience as kind of quote an objective reporter.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: With Dev's skillful guidance, she was taken back to that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: fateful night in September nineteen seventy eight as she and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Karen drove along this remote desert highway in Utah. Under hypnosis,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: she recalled driving by the little town of Enoch at
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: about nine point thirty. She relived watching the sun go down,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: the stars filling up the desert sky, the moon rising
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: to her right low over the mountain range, and then
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: suddenly noticing that the moon had disappeared. She relived the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: car coming to a stop and staring in shock at
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: these giant jack rabbits standing like sentries on the highway
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: in front of them. She and Karen stepped out of
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: the car and were staring in alarm at these unmoving figures,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: twenty or more of these giant jack rabbits just standing there.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: She remembered the car headlights going dark, the engine going off,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: the deafening silences, the music died away, and then a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: blinding bright light shining down from above. And that's when
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Susan let out a soft scream.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: The first seventeen seconds, I just milt it into a
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: pile of tears, out of my chair onto my bed,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: fetal position.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: First seventeen seconds. It was every all, the terror, all everything.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: So I watched the first five minutes, getting creeped out,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: hair on my body, standing up, feeling nauseous. Blink blink
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: blink blink, memory memory, memory. It was not comfortable, and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: then within turned it off. A few minutes later, came back,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: turned it off. I had to process it and digest
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: it for a while and the day after. I have
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: never ever done this in my whole life. I am
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: not a celebrity kind of person. Everybody's good at something
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: and special at something, and so I've never really thought
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: celebrities like celebrity. But I reached out to John on
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Facebook and I said help, I just watched your movie
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: and it triggered every thing in me, and now I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: need help.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Prior to going under hypnosis, Susan really had no memory
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: of what happened during this missing time. Of course, she
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: did remember all the events leading up to it, but
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: nine hours of missing time is quite a long time,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: so she was very curious to find out what she
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: would remember under hypnosis, and of course it was very successful.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: She remembered being taken on board a craft and all
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: the events that occurred when she was on board. Susan
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: was amazed at what she recalled, as she says, I
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: saw myself floating up, and I saw the car float up,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and being in that room that had no corners, was
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: a curved environment that glowed a soft blue everywhere, not bright,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: but soft blue. Everything looked fuzzy, kind of like a
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: hologram because I could see through it. I was sitting
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: on a table with my feet hanging. Even the floor
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: looked fuzzy. I was alone, but looked around for my
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: friend Karen, and there was what looked like a railing,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't attached to any kind of wall, just
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: floated about five feet in front of me. I could
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: not move my head to look around, but the floor
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: and ceiling appeared amorphous. So this room was small. The
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: lighting in it was diffuse, slightly blurred. But standing directly
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: next to Susan, she could see a small gray et.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: It had light colored skin but had the same dark
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: eyes and large bald head, and like the rest of
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: the room, it looked a little blurred to her. So
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Susan's eyes met the gray, and she asked telepathically, can
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I touch you? The gray, being assented, said yes. So
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Susan reached out and ran her fingers down its arm,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: and she said the skin felt tight, kind of waxy
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and cold. It seemed to wrinkle slightly under her touch.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Reminded her of thin sty of wrapping used in packing,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: and she quickly withdrew her hand in disgust, thinking to herself,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: you now this seemed to amuse the gray. He seemed
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: to be amused at her reaction, and he replied telepathically, no,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: not e. You are me and I am you. So
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: she asked, where's Karen. The little gray replied, she is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: with you, having her own experience. This is when the
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: tension was drawn to these silver rails, because there was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: movement above them. She could now see these images flashing rapidly, blinking,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: and she was absolutely shocked by what they showed. As
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Susan says, the images were exactly the same thing that
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing in those recurring dreams as a child,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: the military tanks in the street, bombs and destruction around us,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: dark skies and starvation. She felt the same dire warning
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: that she had felt as a child, which was quote,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: if we don't change our ways and you can't make
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: a difference, this will happen. We would have wars in
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: our streets and chaos. Every one of you has got
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: to make a change, because if you don't, this is
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And Susan says it stressed my
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: responsibility as a human being to do my best and
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: pass on the word to others. Susan was then instructed
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to lay down on this table. The beings began to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: work on her body. She felt a brief moment of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: pain on her right side, where her right ovary was.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: She saw them use a tool of some kind on
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the left side of her neck. They then rolled her
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: over and did something to her back. It wasn't too painful,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: but she did feel some pressure, and she says they
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: felt like pressure from some kind of air gun going
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: into me. I flinched and pulled away, but afterwards she
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: sat back up and again asked where her friend Karen was,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: and the gray repeated, she is with you. She was
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: having her own experience. Susan wanted to turn around, but
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: she couldn't, and as Susan says, I couldn't see her
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: or find her. I could only move a little bit,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't turn around. Now. She did have a
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: distinct and very clear mental impression that they were far
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: above the earth and surrounded by stars. She could see
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: it in her head. Even though she didn't look out
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: any windows, she knew she was above the earth, and
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: the next thing Susan recalled, she was dropping out of
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the craft, flying through the sky, plummeting towards the Earth
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: at great speed, straight down. As Susan says, I was
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: coming down, going through layers and layers of atmosphere and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: what felt like clouds. I could see the curve of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: the earth below me. The sun wasn't up from the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: mountains yet, but while I was falling, I could see
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: the rays of the sun illuminated across us, the red
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: ground below me. The red sun shone through the mountain
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: passes below until it rose enough to cover the whole
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: ground below with red sunrise. Every red bluff and mesa
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: were lit up like fire. I could feel the moisture.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I could hear the wish of the air speeding past me.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I remember burning. I felt the sun or something like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: a hot knife burning my skin, and I knew that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: was when I had gotten these burns. But it was
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: a beautiful sight from above, especially when I got to
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: the red rock below. I remember being so scared that
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I was going to go splat when I hit the ground.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: The fear at that time was immeasurable, pure adrenaline craziness,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: like jumping out of an airplane with no parachute. Because
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: all that reasoning was going on, Why am I here?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: How am my falls with the sky?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: My god, I can see the curve of the earth.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: My mind was going through what I was seeing and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: was trying to reason. I could feel the burns, I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: could see the earth, and then instantly I was inside
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: the diner with Karen and was waking up of the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: entire experience. It was this part that frightened Susan most
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: and no point did she feel this experience was malicious,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: but the feeling of being burned was, as she says, awful.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: So she did also remember getting a glimpse of this
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: craft that she had been inside, and she says it
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: had a flat bottom and the top looked like an egg,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: but more rounded. It was huge. Whatever it was, it
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: was huge because it blocked out the moon and the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: stars above it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go where the doors were open on
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: the car. I want to know what the heck we
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: got out of the car, and we didn't just like
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: plow through those rabbits, which I love animals and Karen
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: did too, But in today's world, I think we would
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: have just gone zoom and flown by. But we were
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: just not We weren't taken over by something else already.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: All I can say is I didn't see it, but
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I felt it, and it was huge, gigantic because it
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: blocked out all of the light from mountain to mountain,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: literally from side to side of the road, completely blacked out,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: and it had to be huge. So all of these
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: memories came flooding back, and when I was under hypnosis,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: I remember, this is really weird. I remember, let's say
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: everybody's probably done this, but you know, if you're driving
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: down the road and you've got a child, or a
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: sack of groceries or a pet in the seat beside you,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: when you hit your brakes really quick, you throw your
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: arm over naturally. I don't know if it's a mother
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: thing or I wasn't a mother then it's just a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: natural thing to do to protect the person that you're with. Well,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: I remember grabbing Karen with my left arm and plunging
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: towards her to hold her back. And the only reason
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: I think I did that, it's because we were moving,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: We were lifting up, and that was my reaction to
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: grab her as we lifted up. Now I don't know
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: anything about the car, but the car had to be
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: lifted up too, because the mileage was missing in the
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: gas was still there. That is more bizarre than I
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: can explain, or there's no reasoning for that. It is
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: just it is what it is. So I remember the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: entityy beside me was still gray. You know, it wasn't
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: a rabbit. I kind of wish it was a jack rabbit,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't. It was right beside me, and I
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: remember having I could not look at it in the eyes.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: It was no eye contact. I would look up a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: little bit and look down. And I remember that happening
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: when I was young too, when I was real young,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: no looking in their face, And it's really weird. It
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: seems to be a cultural thing in Mexico. I noticed
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the children look down all the time.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: They don't look up. They look down a lot. And
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: I noticed that when I worked in Chula Vista, there
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: was a lot of kids around that apartment complex, and
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: they would always have their heads down, and I associated
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: it with that when I would watch the children, and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: I would think, I wonder why their heads always down.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: And I wonder because that's how I felt when I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: was young, and so I would watch them and I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: would think about this as an adult. But when I
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: was in the craft, I was on a table with
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: my legs hanging, and I remember thinking, I really want
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: to touch him. I really want to touch him. And
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: he said, Okay, you can touch me, but he didn't
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: say it with his mouth. He said it in my head,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: yeah you can touch me. And I remember running my
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: finger down his arm, which was really long and weird,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: long fingers, and it felt like packing, rubber packing rubber thin,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: and underneath was soft packing it not like our skin,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: more like a more like a dolphin, but like that
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: packing stuff that you the long sheets of it that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: are that are about this stick. And then I remember
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: pulling my finger away and thinking said and it said
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: in my head, oh it's not you. I'm just like you.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: You are just like me, just like that, and I thought, oh,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: I remember being like huh, and then calming, and then
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: I remember being laid down and I don't know what happened,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: but that pain in my right side. I remember something
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: was going on in my right side, and I still
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: don't know what yet, but that's what happened. So that
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: was in seventy eight. And I remember a little bit
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: during the hypnosis that a hand was passed back behind
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: me and then something right here was like a what
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: I call it pneumatic gunh like like they used in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: the military when we all got the swine flu shots,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: and it injects you with air. And that's what that
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: felt like on my neck, because I do remember that
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: part well. I saw the same images that were flashing
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: as a child, and this time it came with a message,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: not just images, and it said if you don't change
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: the way, if you and everyone else you've got to
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: learn to love each other and respect each other and
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: take care of the world, take care of the earth,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: or this that you're seeing is going to be what
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: happens to you now. I took that personally as a
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: child when I saw those was it from watching war
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: movies with my dad. No, because this was much more extreme.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: This was a warning, but I was too young to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: understand it. But as an adult, when you get that flash,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: flash flash. All of that happened when I was on board,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: and it was a very clear message, and it said
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: you are love. You've always been loved, and you have
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: to stay love. And that message has always been in me.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: It was so hard when I went through the divorce
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: because I had so the first time in my whole
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: life that I've not felt loved by somebody else and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: had been told I do not love you. And that
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: literally took me down because I was hearing and seeing
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: that finger you are love. In my head, you are love,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: and love will fix all of this if you can
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: just stay in love, just always be love. That was
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: the message that could change the earth. That's only it's
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: so basic. It's just so basic to respect people, to
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: be kind to people, to listen to what they have
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: to say, not preconceived judgment. It changed me when I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: had somebody say I do not love you, and it
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: took me ten years to get that love back. And
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: this is part of getting it back, is I finally
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: have learned in love. Oh, yeah. I have always been loved.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: I have always given love. I don't if I have
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: seemed assertive, is that a good word for it? Like
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: an assertive woman, you know what we get called other
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: than assertive. That's only been as a strength for my family,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: and I was very assertive to keep all this away
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: out of my family and out of my home. But
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: it took this last ten years for me to know
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: that it's a safe time now. And having John and
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Deb's intervene, I got in a little bit deeper, and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: I found that the circle that I was with really
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: lifted me up and understood what I had been through
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: because most people had been through that too. The conscious
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: memories and the hypnosis memories are completely different. It's when
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: you tell the story that they blend a little bit,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: just a little bit, because most of it was conscious memory.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: I wish I remembered more, but I think it's enough.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: So the hypnosis worked. It worked beautifully, And this was
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: a huge turning point for Susan because she now remembered
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: everything almost that occurred during this onboard segment. She didn't
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: remember exactly how she was returned. Karen, the other participant,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: didn't remember anything, but this incident did cause Susan to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: reach out to Karen, so they became friends again after
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: not talking for quite some time. So that was another
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: positive result of investigating her encounter. And there was another
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: thing that turned out to be quite interesting. Susan finally
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: found out what happened to the mystery of this missing
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: shoe and everything that happened in the Annz of Barrego
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: desert decades earlier. So under hypnosis, Susan was taken back
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: to Anz of Barrigo. She recalled seeing herself floating up
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: out of the jeep where she was sleeping and shooting
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: upwards at high speed, and as she says, I was
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: taken out of the jeep and I saw the shoe
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: slip off my foot and land on a hill below.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: Didn't remember seeing any grays or anything of what happened
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: that night, but she did remember being returned, and she says,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: when I went back, it was so amazing. I saw
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: where my shoe was. I saw it from above coming down,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: and I remember seeing every one of those guys third
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: bodies laying on the ground around the jeep. Was shocking.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't come down hard. I saw myself being returned
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: gently and floating down in the jeep. I was just
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: set back down. I don't remember any grays. I only
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: remember the movement of lifting up, seeing my shoe slip
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: off and fall below me, and then coming back and
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: being floated back down. I don't remember anything else. This
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: hypnosis brought a lot of clarity and confirmation to her
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: early childhood encounters with the weird face looking through the
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: window at her, because, as Susan says, it was the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: same creature. It wasn't just visual, it's the exact same feeling.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: It's a knowing that the presence is the exact same
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: presence throughout the years.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about the shoe until after I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: had hypnosis, And at the end of the hypnosis, I
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: saw it and I screamed out on the video tape,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: there's my shoe, my foot, And I also saw and
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: I remembered seeing. I remembered the memory of seeing all
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: those guys from above laying on the ground. So that
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: must have been when I was coming down to the jeep.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: It's the only thing I could think of. It was
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: literally a visual of them all sleeping from above, and
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing I could think of because that's
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: what happened during the hypnosis. It came back, but it
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: was a very familiar memory. I just had forgotten that part,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: but I didn't remember, you know that coming down, that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: coming down and seeing them. I don't know how I
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: ever forgot that, but it was locked away. When I
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: saw it, I literally screamed out in the videotape, Oh,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: it's the shoe. The first thing when I came out
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: of hypnosis, the first thing I said is, Oh, I
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: can't I know, I can't call the guys and tell them,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: but I really wish I could call the guys and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: tell them I know about the shoe. Grizzlies passed and
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know the other two guys, and Rick, I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if you'd be open to that, so I
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: just haven't. But I thought it was hilarious that after
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: all these years, forty five years later, I know where
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: my shoe went. It was a beautiful thing. It was
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: so relieving and hilarious because I started laughing, even in hypnosis.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: It just tickled me to my dip when I saw
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: it flowed off and like in a slow motion.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: So the whole hypnosis session worked out really well for Susan,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: it answered so many of the questions. Now she finally
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: understood why she was having these dreams from a very
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: young age about war and bombs and tanks in the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: street and people starving. This was exactly the same message
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: she had received when she was taken onboard as an adult.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: It's clear that the ets are very much concerned about this.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: In fact, as Susan says, it showed me the urgency
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: to stop the warlike ways on this planet or we
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: would perish. It showed me that love and nothing but
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: love will change the world. And this is how Susan operates.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: She very much allows love and truth to guide her actions,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: and facing her encounters head on turned out to be
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: an incredibly healing event. She found the strength and courage
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: to share her story not only in my book Humanoids
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: and High Strangeness, but with Richard Bannissek, the Muffin researcher
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Earl Gray. She worked again with John Yost of Alien
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Abduction Answers and Dead Shakti and started doing podcasts. So
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: she really found a lot of strength by coming forward
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: and sort of came full circle, and the whole event
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: turned out to be an incredibly healing adventure. So coming
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: forward was the right thing for her, and it really
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: helped her to deal with this incredible encounter that had
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: changed her life so many years ago. It was a
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: very healing thing that she did Now. Susan's not sure,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: but she thinks that the purpose of this encounter in
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: the desert may have actually been to heal her. And
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: she says, I don't know everything that happened during those
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: nine hours, but I think I of healing. This encounter
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: in the desert changed her in so many ways. She's
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: become an avid environmentalist. She appreciated the boost it gave
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: her with her psychic abilities, which she now calls her superpowers.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: She has always lived her life with pure, unconditional love
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: and positivity, and despite some of the fear and the
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: burns she received, she is glad and grateful to have
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: had this encounter, and she says, I think it was positive.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: It's my truth and it is what it is like
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: many experiencers, She's not sure why these encounters happened to her.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: As far as she knows, nobody else in her family
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: has had an experience with an ET. She had always
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: believed her desert encounter was an extraterrestrial experience, and now
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: that she has had hypnosis, there's no doubt whatsoever in
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: her mind. And it was in twenty twenty three that
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: she did reach out to Karen by phone and they
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: reunited after almost forty five years. Karen confirmed this trip.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: She remembers it in vivid detail, but as far as
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: the encounter, the only thing she can remember is the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: missing time, and she says that she's mostly glad she
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't remember meeting the ets, but like Susan, she is
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: still seeking answers and has developed an interest in this subject.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: After all these years of not knowing the whole story,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Susan says proudly, I am an experiencer. Now is the
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: time to tell my story of what happened to me
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight in Utah. I feel almost like
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: generations of weight have lifted off of me. There's no burden.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I have most of the conscious memory of that night,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm so glad I reached out to John Yost
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: in Dead's Shakti for help. The whole experience has changed
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: my life. Once I allowed myself to investigate it, it
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: all became more comforting and less fearful. After more than
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: forty five years of waiting to know the truth. That night,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: I'm thrilled I know the truth. This experience and the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: amazing people I have met Durham It have changed my
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: life in so many wonderful ways. Retrieving those lost memories
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: has given me great hope and clarity for my future.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: It's been the most amazing adventure of my lifetime, and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: there's plenty more to come. I will forever investigate the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: facts of those memories, and I will always look for
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: that diner. Moufan has been amazing and such a great help.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: I feel I have done the right thing by making
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: a report, and it is important for everyone to report
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: the facts. So Susan, of course, is looking forward to
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: the future with a new attitude. She is very grateful
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: for all that happened and these paranormal things that have
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: brought weirdness to her life, and as she says, at
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: this time in my life, it's time to discover more magic.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: I've lived it all my life and there's no stopping
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: it now. So there you go. That's the lifetime encounters
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: of Susan Ware. Thank you, Susan. I can't thank you
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: enough for sharing your story. Not only with me and
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: in my book Humanoids and High Strangeness. So check it out,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: you guys if you want to hear the whole story,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: because I really kind of summarized it here, but sharing
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: it with the world this is very difficult to do.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: This climate is still pretty hostile. There's a lot of skepticism, disbelief,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: there's ridicule. Witnesses are regularly gas lit for sharing their story.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: But I think it's really important for people to come
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: forward because I know there's a lot of people out
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: there who are having the same kinds of experiences that
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Susan did. And if you want to hear more about
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: her story, you can certainly check out the two hour
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: interview that Dolly and I did on the light Gate
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  Speaker 1: with Susan. Also check out the film by Steve Neil,
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  Speaker 1: The Jack Rabbit Abduction. Remember this was the case that
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  Speaker 1: Moufon chose as the Case of the Year for twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three, thanks quite much to the hard work of
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  Speaker 1: Old Gray and Richard Vanisek, who really helped Susan to
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  Speaker 1: investigate her encounter. So it's truly an amazing case. I
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  Speaker 1: think it shows really well how a person can move
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  Speaker 1: on a journey through fear and confusion to understanding and healing.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing to me how many people get this same
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  Speaker 1: sort of message, that humanity has become far too violent
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  Speaker 1: and that we are on the pathway towards self destruction.
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  Speaker 1: This is the message eties give over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: so it's really up to us to listen. And I
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  Speaker 1: think this is why it's so important that people like
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  Speaker 1: Susan come forward with their encounters. So thank you Susan
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  Speaker 1: once again. You know I love you dearly. I love
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  Speaker 1: all of you too. Thank you so much for watching.
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  Speaker 1: I truly appreciate it. Until next time, Keep asking those questions,
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  Speaker 1: keep searching for the truth most important of all, keep
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  Speaker 1: having fun, and I'll see you next time.