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- 0:00I have totally abandoned whatever the hell I
- 0:03had going on there. I'm working off a list on
- 0:05my phone that I've put together here. Now I just
- 0:08have a choice similar to what you are usually
- 0:11dealing. Let's take a choice of brains or dolphins.
- 0:17That's the choice I'm going to give you right
- 0:18now. Hmm, and not dolphin brains. No, no, you
- 0:22can't intertwine the two. You know what? I only
- 0:24like porpoises if they're attacking yachts, and
- 0:26I don't think dolphins have that kind of capacity.
- 0:28So let's go with brains. OK, this is from The
- 0:31Guardian. I hope we like them. You know, I have
- 0:34such a short memory for things. You know that.
- 0:36I think you all might know it now. I don't know
- 0:38if The Guardian is good or bad. I don't know
- 0:40what ones we don't like because I don't memorize
- 0:44the list. As soon as you tell me, I forget. So
- 0:46I hope we like The Guardian. This one is titled
- 0:50A Petri Dish of human brain cells is currently
- 0:53playing doom. Should we be worried?" And this
- 0:56was published 16th of March, 2026. I'm impressed
- 1:00so far. Let's read. It sounds like the opening
- 1:02of a sci -fi film, but US scientists not missing.
- 1:06These are ones that are actually commenting maybe.
- 1:09I don't know what they're doing. Let's just fucking
- 1:11read it. Recently uploaded a copy of the brain
- 1:14of a living fly into a simulation. A fly. Yep,
- 1:18I read that right. In San Francisco, Biotechnology
- 1:21company Eon Systems created a virtual insect
- 1:25that knew how to walk, fly, groom, and feed in
- 1:28its virtual environment. Researchers in Australia,
- 1:31meanwhile, get out of here Anne. Researchers
- 1:34in Australia, meanwhile, have taught a petri
- 1:37dish containing 200 ,000 human brain cells to
- 1:41play the iconic 90 -shooter Doom. One experiment
- 1:44has pushed a brain into a computer. The other
- 1:47has plugged a computer into brain cells. What
- 1:50the? Well, I'm glad it's human and not fly brains
- 1:52playing Doom. Really? Yeah. That's better to
- 1:56you? I don't know why I would think that. Actually
- 2:00I was gonna comment on that but then I kept reading.
- 2:02I don't know why I would think that. Okay. I
- 2:05really don't know why I said that. It just felt
- 2:07like the right thing. I just go with feels most
- 2:10of the time and I said it. Okay. Both stories
- 2:12have been hailed as scientific breakthroughs,
- 2:15but have also sparked inevitable fears about
- 2:18the prospects of lab -grown humans and digital
- 2:21clones. Should we be concerned? But we're just
- 2:25doomed. Like, I thought we were concerned about
- 2:27doom. It was Australian startup Cortical Labs
- 2:30in Melbourne that taught a dish of lab -grown
- 2:33neurons to play Pong in 2022. This is fucked
- 2:36up. Now it has built what is described as, quote,
- 2:39the world's first code deployed biological computer,
- 2:43end quote, running on living human tissue rather
- 2:46than silicone chips, which is happily playing
- 2:48the 1993 shooter Doom. quote at first it didn't
- 2:53know how to move aim or shoot then it would shoot
- 2:56two enemies and stop so it's definitely learning
- 2:59i think that's an end quote and then a re -quote
- 3:02in computer science nerd land there's this obsession
- 3:05with getting doomed to run on everything from
- 3:08calculators to microwaves and quote han wen chan
- 3:11ceo of cortical labs tells me over zoom from
- 3:14melbourne quote as soon as we managed to get
- 3:17pong to work the first thing people said was
- 3:19what are you gonna do do The average human brain
- 3:23contains about 86 billion, maybe, neurons. It
- 3:27says BN next to 86. Roughly 430 ,000 petri dishes
- 3:33worth. But how do you harvest 20 ,000 brain cells
- 3:36without resorting to a hacksaw and an ice cream
- 3:39scoop? I can't believe what I am reading right
- 3:41now. I'm so happy they made light there. They
- 3:45made funny. They did do that quote. They're my
- 3:49brain cells actually at least most of them are
- 3:52what and quote Chong says proudly I can picture
- 3:55him saying that to you There's no scraping or
- 3:58brain extraction. It's a very cool technique
- 4:00that was developed by Professor Shinya Yamanaka,
- 4:05who won the Nobel Prize in 2012. All you need
- 4:08is 10 milliliters of blood, in this case Chong's,
- 4:11from which around 100 white blood cells can be
- 4:14harvested. These can then be reprogrammed into
- 4:17induced pluripotent stem cells, IPSCs, the body's
- 4:23biological building blocks, which can then be
- 4:25reproduced exponentially. Quote, essentially
- 4:28we reverse the biological clock back to an embryonic
- 4:32state, induce them into neurons and put them
- 4:35in a glass chip roughly the size of a 50p piece.
- 4:3950 pence maybe, end quote, explains Chong. Quote,
- 4:42because they're on a chip and electricity is
- 4:45the common language between neurons and the computer
- 4:47system, we can interface with them and get them
- 4:50to play Doom, end quote. Cortical Labs conducted
- 4:54its Pong experiment experiment in -house, but
- 4:56this time it reached out to 24 -year -old Singaporean
- 5:00Sean Cole, who has just completed an MSc in artificial
- 5:04intelligence at the University of Sussex, and
- 5:07whose dad happens to be mates with its CEO. Cole
- 5:10wrote the code remotely, which the team then
- 5:13tested on their local machines. Quote, I was
- 5:15a bit surprised it worked the first time around,
- 5:17end quote he tells me over Zoom. So how does
- 5:20a petri dish of brain cells play doom when it
- 5:23doesn't have any eyes or fingers? Quote, we take
- 5:27a snapshot of the game with information like
- 5:29the player's health and the position of enemies,
- 5:32pass it through the neural network, convert it
- 5:34into numbers, and send the data. Explains Cole.
- 5:37This is called encoding, essentially turning
- 5:40the game state into signals the neurons can understand.
- 5:44Isn't that binary code? Yeah, more or less. That's
- 5:46what my neurons understand? They would understand
- 5:50like, nah, they I would understand like input
- 5:54versus no input, which is ones and zeros. This
- 5:58is messed up. The neurons then fire an output,
- 6:01move left, move right, walk forward, shoot or
- 6:04not shoot, which the system decodes and converts
- 6:06back into actions in the game. If you think about
- 6:09how humans operate, we have information going
- 6:12into our retina, which is converted into electrical
- 6:16signals, processed in the brain and then an output
- 6:19happens, adds Chong. It's really no different
- 6:21from that. If a computer full of brain cells
- 6:24is playing a video game and making decisions,
- 6:26does that mean it's sentient? Or is it just behaving
- 6:29like the average Doom player? People have different
- 6:32perceptions of what sentience is, says Cole.
- 6:35I definitely don't think it's conscious. At first
- 6:38it didn't know how to move, aim or even shoot.
- 6:41Then it would shoot the first two enemies and
- 6:43stop, almost as if it was preserving itself.
- 6:46So it's definitely learning. We've managed to
- 6:49control a brain to learn in a very controlled
- 6:51environment the next step could be something
- 6:54like Neuralink where you inject a chip into the
- 6:57brain to train someone to learn a language faster
- 7:00this goes on still for a little bit so I'm just
- 7:03gonna end it there we can link it up okay super
- 7:06interesting it brings up some very interesting
- 7:09philosophical points that I'd be interested and
- 7:12ethical questions it really does yeah it would
- 7:16seem to me like it does have sentience just it
- 7:19does I think they can't say that it has sentience
- 7:22because then they couldn't study it anymore exactly
- 7:24or they might bring ethics into the question
- 7:27with what they could do but you gotta love this
- 7:30cutting -edge science is being pushed by like
- 7:33a 15 year old meme of can it play doom Yeah,
- 7:37that's literally what they said is this thing
- 7:39used to be a meme. Yeah, and now we're doing
- 7:41it now. We're gonna do it with you It was just
- 7:44the logical next step to do with human brains,
- 7:47but yeah, if there's any way to best like Show
- 7:51how modern society is? Yeah, that's it a 15 year
- 7:55old meme being done in a very weird ethical way.
- 7:58Yep, that makes total sense for Humanity at this
- 8:02but I guess the next question really is could
- 8:05you play do? on a woolly mammoth or could you
- 8:07get a woolly mammoth to play Doom? Bet you could.
- 8:10Is the one they're gonna be answering next. I
- 8:11don't know which one they're gonna ask though.
- 8:13That's the next one that is gonna come up. Yeah.
- 8:15You guys got 48 hours. Would you rather see a
- 8:17woolly mammoth play Doom or play Doom on a woolly
- 8:20mammoth? Let us know. Bye. Bye.