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The Late Debate | 9 October · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lately. General, welcome the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us
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Speaker 1: on the Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer
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Speaker 1: and Caleb Bond. Coming up expensive artwork at a Dutch
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Speaker 1: museum thrown into the bin by staff who mistook it
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Speaker 1: for trash, which pretty much sums up modern art. Will
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Speaker 1: show you that particular piece of art a little later. Plus,
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Speaker 1: when we look at the papers, the Victorian Coalition leading
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Speaker 1: labor for the first time in seven years, but will
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Speaker 1: John Pursuito be around to enjoy the benefits of that polling?
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Speaker 1: And the nation's peak Judicial body says that judges should
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Speaker 1: be trained in understanding the effects of colonialism before sitting
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Speaker 1: on trials involving indigenous defendants. Will get to all of
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Speaker 1: that a little later. You know. One of the main
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Speaker 1: criticisms of the ABC is that they never ever apologize,
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Speaker 1: but that's not always the case. This morning, for instance,
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Speaker 1: ABC radio host Patricia Cavellius made an apology or is
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Speaker 1: she called it a real apology to herso sensitive listeners.
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Speaker 1: Let me play the part of the interview on Radio
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Speaker 1: National this morning and see if you can pick the
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Speaker 1: offense for which she later gave a groveling apology.
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Speaker 2: What I feel is that sometimes some of our states,
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Speaker 2: I mean partially European state, it's western states, so a
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Speaker 2: little bit scizophrenic about that, and.
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Speaker 3: That schizophrenic approach that you've described it as.
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Speaker 4: This confused, more confused approach.
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Speaker 1: So did you pick up there that they used the
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Speaker 1: word schizophrenic. She and her guest used the word schizophrenic
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Speaker 1: to refer to European policy. Well, the ABC switchboard lit up,
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Speaker 1: and Patricia Cavellos, rather than encouraging her audience to maybe
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Speaker 1: grow up and understand a little thing called context, gave
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Speaker 1: this me a culper And can I.
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Speaker 4: Just make an apology, a real apology?
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Speaker 3: Actually, my last couple of guests ago, actually it wasn't
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Speaker 3: quite the last guest use the word schizophrenic in describing policy,
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Speaker 3: which he used and I thought he was a very
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Speaker 3: interesting man.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I can understand why people.
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Speaker 3: Offended by it, and then I repeated it, and I
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Speaker 3: can only apologize to myself, of course, and I do
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Speaker 3: apologize for that. It is a few of you have
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Speaker 3: made the point about timing with the Prime Minister apologizing
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Speaker 3: about the Turet's comment.
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Speaker 4: I think you're right about the timing.
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Speaker 3: It just shows how well, in my case, you can
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Speaker 3: not think before you speak sometimes. And I heard the word,
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Speaker 3: and I repeated it, and I apologize. I don't think
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Speaker 3: that we need to be using mental health or any
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Speaker 3: of these issues to describe in a derogatory way, which
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Speaker 3: was not certainly my intention.
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Speaker 4: But I apologize and thank you for your texts.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, Caleb and Lives, that conversation had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with the mentally ill. Even blind Freddy can understand and
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Speaker 1: see that and buy that reference on me in no
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Speaker 1: disrespect to visually impaired people or viewers named fred Frederick
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Speaker 1: or Fredick.
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Speaker 5: Both of you are wearing glasses tonight, so.
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Speaker 6: I know, and don't be crazy, James. I suppose I
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Speaker 6: can't even say that anymore either. I'm seriously, there are
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Speaker 6: some people in this country who need to take a
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Speaker 6: spoonful of cement and harden the f up. Honestly, if
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Speaker 6: you cannot use schizophrenic, and we all understand what schizophrenia
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Speaker 6: the condition is, it's where you're all over the shop, right,
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Speaker 6: So why can't I just then use schizophrenic to refer
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Speaker 6: to something, be it policy or a person or whatever
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Speaker 6: it is being all over the shop. It's not like
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Speaker 6: I'm saying I hate schizophrenic people. It's just using a
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Speaker 6: word that applies to a condition that also then applies
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Speaker 6: to what generally happens when you have that condition. I
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Speaker 6: don't see the issue this, But I don't see the issue.
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Speaker 5: This is exactly how political correctness has taken over though.
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Speaker 5: Those apologies, those apologies, you playing to the lowest common denominator.
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Speaker 5: How many Karens texted in and said, I'm offended. Who cares?
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Speaker 5: What's going to happen nothing, You're offended, That's it. How
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Speaker 5: did we go from teaching kids sticks and stones may
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Speaker 5: break my bones, but names will never hurt me. I eat,
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Speaker 5: words will never hurt me to having grown ass adults
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Speaker 5: in the Western world who genuinely think because I am offended,
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Speaker 5: I now have a right to make us song and dance.
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Speaker 5: I want to live in a democracy, but I don't
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Speaker 5: want people to have freedom of speech. I want them
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Speaker 5: to be constantly self censoring. I want to live in
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Speaker 5: a democracy, but never be offended ever again in my
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Speaker 5: entire life. And if I am offended, then someone is
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Speaker 5: in the wrong and something must be done about that.
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Speaker 5: An apology must be received. It's utter nonsense. This is
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Speaker 5: how we lose. And this is exactly what we saw
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Speaker 5: regarding yesterday's comment from the Prime Minister using Angus Taylor
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Speaker 5: of mate, do you have Tourett's here? It is if
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Speaker 5: you've forgotten.
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Speaker 2: This nonsense that they carry on with the idea that
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Speaker 2: where have you got tourets or something?
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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you see the babel babel bab order.
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Speaker 6: Are we drawing, mister Spagher?
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Speaker 2: I we drawn, We drawn, We join and apologize.
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Speaker 5: He'd already withdrawn it and apologize, and let's all know,
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Speaker 5: there was a lot more laughter than there was people
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Speaker 5: realizing maybe he shouldn't have said that. Who was offended
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Speaker 5: by it? Who on earth was offended by it? Well,
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Speaker 5: someone must have said, mister Prime Minister, you better make
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Speaker 5: this right. Because even though he'd already moved on, he'd
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Speaker 5: already done a quick apology. He then took to the
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Speaker 5: floor yesterday to issue this apology.
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Speaker 2: Made comments that were unkind and hurtful. I knew it
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Speaker 2: was wrong as soon as I made the comment. I
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Speaker 2: apologized and I would do as soon as I said it.
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Speaker 2: But it shouldn't have happened. And I also want to
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Speaker 2: apologize to all Australians who suffer from this disability, or.
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Speaker 5: How about stop choosing to be offended adults. He clearly
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Speaker 5: meant nothing untoward by it. The more we play along
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Speaker 5: with this, the more prevalent it becomes in every workplace,
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Speaker 5: in every media organization, and everyone looks on and goes
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Speaker 5: quick better copy that, and starts apologizing for every single
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Speaker 5: little thing that any Karen out there could find offensive,
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Speaker 5: because you know, in today's society, people can find anything
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Speaker 5: offensive and it's so subjective. It's according to your upbringing,
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Speaker 5: your religious beliefs, your cultural background. Would I find offensive,
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Speaker 5: you may not, and vice versa. But the difference between
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Speaker 5: you and me is I just laugh. I don't find
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Speaker 5: it offensive. I'm actually incredibly hard to offend, and I
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Speaker 5: encourage everyone to do the same.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the ABC apology from Patricia Cavellis explains
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Speaker 1: why the ratings are falling so sharply. They've dropped ten
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Speaker 1: and a half percent in the ratings in the past
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Speaker 1: twelve months, and she's actually being moved on from Radio National.
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Speaker 1: Who would want to tune into a radio program where
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Speaker 1: a perfectly innocent interview with a guest from overseas.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, English clearly wasn't even his first language, where.
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Speaker 1: Everyone knew he meant confusion, not a group of mentally
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Speaker 1: ill people elicits an apology of such earnestness. As for
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi though, and I agree with you, I personally
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Speaker 1: thought I knew what he meant. It was a joke.
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Speaker 1: Move on. But you criticized him for coming back and
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Speaker 1: making the earnest apology. If he's going to apologize, the
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Speaker 1: first one did not count because politicians do this kind
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Speaker 1: of don't they. They they go smash and then they say,
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Speaker 1: I withdraw, I apologize.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's the greatest trick in the book because.
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Speaker 5: The right shouldn't have apologized at all. And if anyone
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Speaker 5: wanted to take offense to the fact that he hadn't apologized,
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Speaker 5: she did in the first instance, making a song and
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Speaker 5: dance about it, making it like this, you know, ceremony
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Speaker 5: of self flagelence, like I'm so sorry. Heck, if I
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Speaker 5: was Angus Taylor, I would have just shot back mighty
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Speaker 5: tough words coming from a PM with a speech impediment.
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Speaker 5: He play them at their own game. Instead of people
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Speaker 5: then coming out being like.
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Speaker 6: This was so hurt it's a it's a ticks box,
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Speaker 6: ticks boxing. You can make fun of me now having
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Speaker 6: a speech. It's a tick boxing, tick boxing, exercise box,
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Speaker 6: ticking boxy, tick boxing. Let me help you.
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Speaker 1: Elbanies is from the left right, so they've made a
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Speaker 1: rod for their own back because everyone those the lefties
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Speaker 1: are all over this. So when langling and she's part
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Speaker 1: of what is something, they've got to apologize to their
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Speaker 1: own bait.
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Speaker 6: That's part of what annoyed me about the reaction to
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Speaker 6: Albo yesterday as well, was that there was a lot
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Speaker 6: of criticism for the right from the right.
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Speaker 1: For himsel yes, the right should have said it, come up.
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Speaker 6: We all say, exactly, come out, and we go okay,
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Speaker 6: probably shouldn't have said it. We're all human for him
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Speaker 6: and say can we just move on and not ourselves
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Speaker 6: up in knots about this stuff? Speaking of telling ourselves
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Speaker 6: up in knots about language. And I know our great
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Speaker 6: mate Kel Richards, who sometimes sits in my seat here
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Speaker 6: on this program, will be watching with great interest tonight.
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Speaker 6: So's the story popped up in a few of the
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Speaker 6: online news outlets today that stemmed from a social media
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Speaker 6: post on Readit where someone was saying that their daughter,
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Speaker 6: who is a retail worker, got in trouble at work
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Speaker 6: from a customer because they called them mate. Let me
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Speaker 6: read this to you. This is from the post it.
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Speaker 6: So she's dealt with the good and the bad and
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Speaker 6: the ugly customers as you would expect in retail, but
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Speaker 6: she came home completely puzzled and confused by one customer.
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Speaker 6: The customer told her can I tell you something, followed
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Speaker 6: by please don't call me mate. She apologized with I'm
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Speaker 6: so sorry if I've offended you, but the customer then
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Speaker 6: told her it's unprofessional to use that word in the workplace.
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Speaker 6: She's pretty sure. The customer was also Australian, which added
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Speaker 6: to her being more confused. When did the word mate
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Speaker 6: become unprofessional? I mean, look, the word mate has saved
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Speaker 6: me on so many occasions because I don't know what
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Speaker 6: you two are like. But a name goes in one
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Speaker 6: ear and out the other. Unless I repeat your name
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Speaker 6: back to you multiple times, I will not remember your
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Speaker 6: name by the end of a conversation. If I've just
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Speaker 6: met you. So you get to the end of the conversation,
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Speaker 6: you've completely forgotten who this person is in front of
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Speaker 6: nice to meet you mate, or you're running to someone
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Speaker 6: in the supermarket. You haven't seen them for five years,
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Speaker 6: you know them like you've met them before, you can't
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Speaker 6: really remember, mate. How are you right? It's the get
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Speaker 6: out word for every situation, apart from maybe women. It's
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Speaker 6: a bit difficult to call a woman mate. No, you
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Speaker 6: can't call him darl anymore. That sexist store. You can't love,
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Speaker 6: go and love or hey you going sweetheart? Honey buns
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Speaker 6: or whatever it might be.
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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, but don't give in to the PC.
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Speaker 6: It's apparently a sexist patron.
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Speaker 5: Call them dahl. Most of us love it.
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Speaker 6: I appreciate your input, darling, But what I will say like,
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Speaker 6: what is wrong with mate? What is wrong with calling
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Speaker 6: someone mate? Because if you're in Australia, Australia, everyone is mate.
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Speaker 6: Get over yourself.
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Speaker 1: I think this might be a generational thing because when
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Speaker 1: I go through the McDonald's drive through, which is very
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Speaker 1: rare but basically every night after the program, it always
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Speaker 1: sounds weird when you've got some fourteen year old kid
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Speaker 1: who says, how can I take your auto?
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Speaker 7: Mate?
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not your mate, I'm the customer.
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Speaker 6: Do you want to you may call me.
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Speaker 1: You may call me sir.
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Speaker 5: If I was a woman, you may mate your mate.
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Speaker 6: Going to McDonald's to be called sir. You want that
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Speaker 6: five stuff, Butler mat.
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Speaker 1: If my nineteen year old kids referred to an adult
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Speaker 1: as our thanks mate, I would probably say to them, hey,
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Speaker 1: you don't call a man in his forties or his
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Speaker 1: fifties who is a stranger to you, mate, call him
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Speaker 1: something Australian.
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Speaker 6: We've also going to make.
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Speaker 1: A big deal about I'm just saying I can understand.
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Speaker 5: I can't leave mate. I mean, we are unpolished and unprofessional.
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Speaker 5: I would like to disappoint. It was as a culture,
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Speaker 5: and I despair when we mose that.
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Speaker 1: So let's not think this person being like, oh.
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Speaker 5: That's so unprofessional. I'm like, we're unpolished, We're Ozzie. This
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Speaker 5: is what we're renowned for the world over. Don't take
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Speaker 5: away our spark, thanks very much, and if you don't
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Speaker 5: like it, leave mate to the US now. And that
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Speaker 5: infamous interview over the Weekend by sixty minutes Bill Whittaker
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Speaker 5: that saw Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz have rings runner
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Speaker 5: around them. Bill Whittaker was taking no prisoners he actually
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Speaker 5: asked difficult questions, and when those two buffoons just tried
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Speaker 5: to serve up their usual word salads, Bill Whittaker would
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Speaker 5: just come back with exactly the same question. So they
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Speaker 5: didn't get to get away with much. But we find
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Speaker 5: out today that CBS, knowing what a burning dumpster fire
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Speaker 5: this interview was for the Democratic campaign, has taken it
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Speaker 5: into their own hands to edit the footage before re
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Speaker 5: airing it. This is some serious nineteen eighty four rubbish
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Speaker 5: going on right under our noses. Check out this footage,
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Speaker 5: Spot the difference and ask yourself why was it this
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Speaker 5: one question that they chose to edit.
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Speaker 4: But it seems that Prime Minister in Netnya who is
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Speaker 4: not listening.
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Speaker 8: Well, the work that we have done has resulted in
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Speaker 8: a number of movements in that region by Israel that
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Speaker 8: were very much prompted by or a result of many things,
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Speaker 8: including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.
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Speaker 4: But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyah who is not listening.
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Speaker 8: We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for
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Speaker 8: the United States to be clear about where we stand
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Speaker 8: on the need for this war to end.
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Speaker 5: Two completely different answers to the exact same question for
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Speaker 5: Shamee CBS, and let it be known, you can't get
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Speaker 5: away with this kind of thing anymore. Thanks to Elon
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Speaker 5: Musk platform X. Commentators around the world pick up on
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Speaker 5: this and share clips like that, so everyone knows you've
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Speaker 5: adopted it, everyone knows you're lying. This is just incredible.
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Speaker 5: More of this, please, Because we talk about the age
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Speaker 5: of AI and how hard it's become trying to tell
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Speaker 5: fact from fiction. In that regard, we already know that
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Speaker 5: the mainstream media also does their darandas to manipulate the
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Speaker 5: public psyche in whichever direction they've decided they want to
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Speaker 5: go ie pro Democrats at any cost in this election.
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Speaker 5: And yet here we have one of the main media
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Speaker 5: outlets in America openly editing two completely different answers to
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Speaker 5: the exact same question.
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Speaker 1: Media bias is one thing, but to edit an interview
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Speaker 1: replacing an answer to a question in a completely different spot,
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Speaker 1: right in front of everybody's eyes in real time, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's like next level. And remember it's the Democrats who
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Speaker 1: always accrues Trump of being the threat to democracy. Well,
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Speaker 1: there is this not an incredible threat to democracy? Because
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Speaker 1: a keeper of knowing who Kamala Harris is if you
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Speaker 1: want to vote for her, is the way she communicates.
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Speaker 1: She's a terrible communicator, and sixty minutes are trying to
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Speaker 1: hide that from the American public. And of course Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump is often talked about in terms of your election
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Speaker 1: interference or Russia accused of that? Is that not election
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Speaker 1: interference where they're clearly trial it turned out to.
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Speaker 5: Be complete hoax cooked up by the Clinton the Russian galusion.
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Speaker 1: Hope, well, exactly, But I mean, sixty minutes here are
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Speaker 1: interfering in the election by trying to hide initudes of
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Speaker 1: the main candidate.
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Speaker 6: I don't know what you two are complaining about. I'm
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Speaker 6: hoping we can do the same with my box ticking
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Speaker 6: incident earlier in the program, before that goes up online,
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Speaker 6: we'll just scrub that from existence. But I mean, if
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Speaker 6: I were a reporter in that situation, I'd believed if
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Speaker 6: that was done with my interview, because it'd be like
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Speaker 6: remember when John Houston was opposition leader and he was
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Speaker 6: running for PM and he got done over by Mike
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Speaker 6: Willersey who asked him about GST and whether GST would
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Speaker 6: apply to a birthday A you jumbled it all up.
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Speaker 6: You couldn't aswer the question. Imagine, if you're Mike Willison,
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Speaker 6: You've got that absolute zinger that cost huson the election,
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Speaker 6: and then when your producers put it up online, they
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Speaker 6: just edited it out. The best bit of the interview,
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Speaker 6: the bit where you got it, I would be absolutely lived.
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Speaker 6: So it turns out that not only can she just
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Speaker 6: completely change her answers, because she's continually being asked, like,
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Speaker 6: you're changing your mind on everything, Oh, cracking, Now you
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Speaker 6: used to think it should be banned, and now it
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Speaker 6: shouldn't be, and so many things. She's apparently changed her mother.
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Speaker 6: She can actually change her answers. Now. This woman is
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Speaker 6: super human, And of course she is continually being asked
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Speaker 6: about why she keeps changing her mind. In that same interview,
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Speaker 6: she was asked, why are you changing your mind on
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Speaker 6: so many policies that you apparently were so convicted about.
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Speaker 4: You have changed your position on so many things. You
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Speaker 4: were against fracking, now you're for it.
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Speaker 8: In the last four years, I have been Vice president
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Speaker 8: of the United States, and I have been traveling our country,
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Speaker 8: and I have been listening to folks and seeking what
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Speaker 8: is possible in terms of common ground. I believe in
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Speaker 8: building consensus.
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Speaker 7: We are diverse people geographically regionally in terms of where
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Speaker 7: we are in our backgrounds, and what the American people
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Speaker 7: do want is that we have leaders who can build consensus.
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Speaker 1: Ahh.
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Speaker 6: So she went out there and discovered that a lot
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Speaker 6: of people don't agree with her radical policy, so well,
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Speaker 6: I'd better just change them, because what does it matter
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Speaker 6: if you actually believe in anything or not. But can
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Speaker 6: compare and contrast her saying that with what she said
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Speaker 6: on the View when she was asked about her record
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Speaker 6: in the Biden administration.
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Speaker 5: If anything, would you have done something differently than President
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Speaker 5: Biden during the past four years.
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Speaker 8: There is not a thing that comes to mind, not a.
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Speaker 6: Thing that comes to mard except for perhaps I don't
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Speaker 6: know the border, which, of course you know, one of
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Speaker 6: Barden's first actions as president was to stop building the wall,
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Speaker 6: to undo all of the controls Trump had put in
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Speaker 6: place to stop the flow of illegal margrants. Well, Kamala
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Speaker 6: Harris is now the strongest person you've ever seen on
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Speaker 6: the border. We're going to build the wall again. It
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Speaker 6: She would not change a single thing that Joe Biden
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Speaker 6: has done.
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Speaker 1: But I loved in that sixty minutes interview where they
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Speaker 1: said one of the problems is people just don't know
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Speaker 1: what you stand for. I mean, talk about lobbing a
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Speaker 1: tennis spore for her, it's an easy whack. You can
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Speaker 1: now put forward your agenda. She speaks for almost a minute,
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Speaker 1: and we're still clueless as to what she stands for.
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Speaker 5: Now, I've traveled and I've talked to people. Of course,
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Speaker 5: it's just internal polling. That's all these politicians ever really do.
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Speaker 5: They're not knocking on thousands of doors, getting thousand first
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Speaker 5: hand opinions from people here on the ground, the people
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Speaker 5: who have elected them to rule and rain over them. No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 5: it's all just internal polling. So the Democrats go out
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Speaker 5: to poll and now they say, oh, you were four
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Speaker 5: Medicare for all. That's not polling very well. So now
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Speaker 5: she's not for medical for all. She was all for
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Speaker 5: gun control. Now she's getting around telling everyone, oh, irown guns.
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Speaker 5: I used to be a prosecutor, so yeah, I'm all
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Speaker 5: for protecting oneself and people should have guns. And that's
20:17
Speaker 5: perfectly fine. Fracking absolutely opposed to it. Let's ban a
20:22
Speaker 5: lot of it. This is a menace to the future
20:24
Speaker 5: of humanity. Now it's absolutely fine because she needs to
20:28
Speaker 5: get the votes in the fracking states. So here she
20:31
Speaker 5: is trying to make it about well, that was before
20:34
Speaker 5: I knew better, and that was before as VP. I've
20:37
Speaker 5: traveled around, I've talked to so many people, and that's
20:40
Speaker 5: what's changed my mind. No, you just have absolutely no convictions.
20:46
Speaker 5: You thought that those policies were popular. You found out
20:49
Speaker 5: otherwise through your internal polling, and now you've changed your mind,
20:53
Speaker 5: which is why Trump openly jokes he's going to buy
20:56
Speaker 5: her a Maga hat because so many of the Democrats'
20:59
Speaker 5: policies just mirroring his own. Trying to erase that massive
21:04
Speaker 5: point of difference that they started with. The Dems are like, oh,
21:08
Speaker 5: but we're not so bad. I mean, all the things
21:10
Speaker 5: that the Republicans say we're going to do, we're not
21:12
Speaker 5: actually gonna do. We're just going to maybe slightly tweak,
21:15
Speaker 5: but it's not true anymore, and hoping that by narrowing
21:19
Speaker 5: that point of difference, they're going to scoop up those
21:21
Speaker 5: would be voters.
21:23
Speaker 6: The only convictions Kamala Harris has are the ones she
21:25
Speaker 6: achieved against other people when she was a prosecutor. I'm
21:28
Speaker 6: pretty sure. But just while we're talking about Kamala Harris.
21:32
Speaker 6: The other thing, of course she's playing up big time
21:34
Speaker 6: in this election campaign is that she grew up in
21:37
Speaker 6: a middle class suburb and everyone cared about the front
21:40
Speaker 6: lawn and all this sort of stuff. Anytime she's asked
21:42
Speaker 6: about the economy, oh, I grew up middle class, as
21:45
Speaker 6: though that means something anyway, one smart young girl has decided, Look,
21:50
Speaker 6: I don't want to do the chores around the house.
21:52
Speaker 6: That keeps coming and asking me, why aren't you doing
21:55
Speaker 6: the chores? Well, she's taking a leaf out of Kamala
21:57
Speaker 6: Harris's book, and it seems to be working. Hey, Jenny,
22:01
Speaker 6: did you do your chores today? Well?
22:03
Speaker 9: I grew up in a middle class family. My mom
22:08
Speaker 9: she was Indian, and I grew up in a middle
22:10
Speaker 9: class family. And we are proud of our generation. And
22:14
Speaker 9: we all we all had small little towns, and we
22:21
Speaker 9: all grew up having small shops.
22:24
Speaker 1: Jenny, did you finish your school work yet?
22:26
Speaker 9: Well, I grew up in the middle class family and
22:31
Speaker 9: we have small businesses. We had small businesses.
22:36
Speaker 1: It was great.
22:38
Speaker 6: Now she's found the get out clause here. Anytime I'm
22:42
Speaker 6: asked a tough question. No, no, it's just the Kamala
22:45
Speaker 6: Harris response.
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Speaker 1: I love it, absolutely brilliant. I'm just glad I'm not
22:48
Speaker 1: the parent of that little girl. He would be way
22:50
Speaker 1: too smart.
22:51
Speaker 5: You're very proud.
22:52
Speaker 1: I think you'd be familiar with that expression. If you
22:54
Speaker 1: sow the wind, you'll reap the whirlwind. So why on
22:57
Speaker 1: earth would Kamala Harris try to insert herself in the
23:00
Speaker 1: middle of a hurricane. I guess because everyone loves a
23:04
Speaker 1: national disaster, and it's a chance for her to show
23:06
Speaker 1: her touchy feely side, which is about the only side
23:09
Speaker 1: that she has. The problem, of course, is that she
23:12
Speaker 1: can't get involved because she's the vice president and there's
23:14
Speaker 1: really no role for her to play. But she's trying
23:17
Speaker 1: to insert herself anyway, criticizing Florida Governor Ronda Santis for
23:23
Speaker 1: not taking her calls, apparently.
23:28
Speaker 5: Playing political games at this moment.
23:30
Speaker 8: In these crisis situations, these as the emergency situations, It
23:35
Speaker 8: utterly irretantle and it is selfish.
23:39
Speaker 1: So there she is accusing Roonda Santis of playing political
23:42
Speaker 1: games by not taking her phone calls in the middle
23:45
Speaker 1: of a hurricane that he's dealing with. Ronda Santis of course,
23:49
Speaker 1: says he was unaware of any phone calls from Kamala Harris.
23:52
Speaker 1: And anyway, she's the vice president, so he's far too
23:55
Speaker 1: busy dealing with a crisis than to be talking to
23:58
Speaker 1: someone who's got nothing to do with the crisis.
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Speaker 10: He is desantas we've been laser focus on leveraging all
24:04
Speaker 10: resources available, including from the federal government, and I've been
24:08
Speaker 10: in touch with both FEMA and the President, as well
24:10
Speaker 10: as marshaling all our state agencies and working to support
24:13
Speaker 10: our local communities. And so for Kamala Harris to try
24:17
Speaker 10: to say that my sole focus on the people of
24:20
Speaker 10: Florida is somehow selfish, is delusional. She has no role
24:26
Speaker 10: in this. In fact, she's been vice president for three
24:29
Speaker 10: and a half years. I've dealt with a number of
24:31
Speaker 10: storms under this administration. She has never contributed anything to
24:36
Speaker 10: any of these efforts.
24:38
Speaker 1: Hey, after that slept down, I reckon she'd be wishing
24:40
Speaker 1: she'd stayed right out of it. And if she thought
24:42
Speaker 1: Joe Biden would give her assistance, well she was solely mistaken.
24:48
Speaker 6: The governor of Florida has been cooperative. He said he's
24:52
Speaker 6: gotten all that he needs.
24:53
Speaker 5: And I talked to him again yesterday and I said.
24:57
Speaker 1: I said, no, You're doing a great job.
24:59
Speaker 2: Is being all being well, We thank.
25:01
Speaker 5: You for it.
25:02
Speaker 1: And I literally gave my personal phone number to call.
25:05
Speaker 1: I love that he's not taking Camala's cause why would he.
25:08
Speaker 1: He's got Joe Biden on speed dial. And I like
25:12
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden, remember he wore the Maga hat. Then,
25:15
Speaker 1: of course he's scheduled an interview during one of Kamala's
25:18
Speaker 1: rallies which was being telecast. And now Joe Biden when
25:22
Speaker 1: Kamala's saying, DeSantis, he's playing political games, he's you know,
25:26
Speaker 1: being inept in the way he's dealing with the disaster there,
25:29
Speaker 1: Joe Biden says, no, No, Desanta's actually doing a really
25:32
Speaker 1: great job. I talked to him regularly. I think Biden
25:34
Speaker 1: is trying to say, hello, I'm still the president. Camala
25:38
Speaker 1: is just a candidate, but I'm still here. And I
25:40
Speaker 1: think he's just flipping her the bird a little bit, saying, hey,
25:43
Speaker 1: you might have pushed me aside, but I'm still here
25:46
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to make it easy for you
25:48
Speaker 1: after what you did to.
25:49
Speaker 5: Me one hundred percent. And who can begrudge him that?
25:52
Speaker 5: But the fact that she's the one playing politics with
25:56
Speaker 5: this exactly. I mean, Desantas, Florida is bracing for one
25:59
Speaker 5: of the worst hurricanes in living memory for Floridians right now,
26:04
Speaker 5: Hurricane Milton is hot on the hills of Hurricane Helene,
26:08
Speaker 5: and he's doing everything he can to batten down the hatches.
26:11
Speaker 5: We're being told this is a Category five hurricane could
26:15
Speaker 5: hit any minute, basically, and the state is set to
26:19
Speaker 5: be completely and utterly ravaged. And let's not forget this
26:23
Speaker 5: is the woman who jetted off to San Francisco while
26:26
Speaker 5: Hurricane Helene was ripping through six states, absolutely devastating them.
26:33
Speaker 5: She took a week to make an appearance on the
26:36
Speaker 5: ground in any of the states hit by that horrific hurricane.
26:41
Speaker 5: She said, Oh, I didn't go earlier because I thought
26:43
Speaker 5: I'd just be in the way, you know, fit reminiscent
26:46
Speaker 5: of the I don't hold a hose mate. I mean,
26:49
Speaker 5: this is just unbelievable that she's now accusing the governor
26:53
Speaker 5: of the very thing that she's been doing playing politics
26:57
Speaker 5: with this thing, by accusing him of being apt for
27:01
Speaker 5: not taking her calls in the middle of a major emergency.
27:04
Speaker 1: I think you've been too hush, though, criticizing her for
27:06
Speaker 1: going to San Francisco during the hurricane because of course
27:08
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was on the beach during the hurricane. That's
27:11
Speaker 1: not making focals. So she's learned from the best.
27:14
Speaker 6: If that's the bar, I'm sure going to San Francisco.
27:20
Speaker 6: She's just going there and stay there as far as
27:21
Speaker 6: I'm concidered. But I mean, this is just pathetic, isn't it.
27:24
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I can land a blow on Dessanta's for
27:27
Speaker 6: something that has nothing to do with me whatsoever. She's
27:31
Speaker 6: you know, she's been asked continually or what have you
27:34
Speaker 6: done in your last three and a half years as
27:36
Speaker 6: vice president? And she can't really come up with much
27:39
Speaker 6: because of course she is vice president. She's not the
27:42
Speaker 6: actual president. She's not running the show. She was meant
27:44
Speaker 6: to be the Borders Are, but she didn't do much
27:46
Speaker 6: about that. She went down to the border once, or
27:49
Speaker 6: actually she's been twice now, but during her tenure as
27:51
Speaker 6: Borders Are she went down there once. All of a sudden,
27:55
Speaker 6: she thinks she's the president now, and you can understand
27:58
Speaker 6: why she might think that because has sort of been
28:01
Speaker 6: you know, hold up on the beach somewhere since she
28:03
Speaker 6: took over the candidacy, she's convinced herself she's already the
28:07
Speaker 6: president and that he must DeSantis must be taking her
28:10
Speaker 6: calls when she wants him to, because I'm the big dog. Now, Well,
28:14
Speaker 6: you're not the big dog yet. And I love that Biden.
28:17
Speaker 6: He could very easily have given her a free kick there,
28:20
Speaker 6: and he refuses to do it, Like he just embodies
28:23
Speaker 6: that old man just doesn't give a toss anymore. You
28:27
Speaker 6: know that he's been dragged out to the curb. They've
28:29
Speaker 6: done him dirty, and he's like, I don't care. I'm
28:32
Speaker 6: going to have as much fun on the way out
28:35
Speaker 6: as possible. We're actually starting to see the Biden that
28:37
Speaker 6: we wish we'd seen for the last four years.
28:40
Speaker 1: Know why she was so desperate to be involved in
28:42
Speaker 1: what's happening in Florida, because she desperately wants it to
28:44
Speaker 1: help out in a disaster that she did not create.
28:46
Speaker 1: And it's about the only disaster in the States that
28:49
Speaker 1: wasn't from her own hand.
28:50
Speaker 6: Exactly, as she's well acquainted with disasters. While we're on
28:53
Speaker 6: the US selection, we've been covering on this program for
28:56
Speaker 6: the last few weeks. The cases of very clear interference
29:01
Speaker 6: from dem States or at least the DOJ in the
29:04
Speaker 6: United States, where they're basically saying that, you know, oh,
29:06
Speaker 6: if you try to take illegals off the voter role,
29:09
Speaker 6: then we're going to come after you. Yes, that is happening.
29:13
Speaker 6: They want people who should not be voting in the US,
29:16
Speaker 6: they're not citizens, illegal migrants, to stay on the electoral role,
29:20
Speaker 6: so presumably they can vote for Joe Biden. Well, Texas
29:24
Speaker 6: has now gone off to the US Citizenship and Immigration
29:27
Speaker 6: Services Department saying, we believe there's something like four hundred
29:33
Speaker 6: and fifty four thousand people on the electoral role here
29:36
Speaker 6: who we're not entirely sure about, So we want you
29:38
Speaker 6: to hand over the data so we can cross check
29:41
Speaker 6: and remove in the lead up to the election people
29:44
Speaker 6: who do not have the illegal right to vote. And
29:48
Speaker 6: what have they heard so far? Crickets, Absolute crickets. This
29:52
Speaker 6: is the Texas Attorney General, Kim Paxton. He says, I
29:55
Speaker 6: demand full cooperation from the federal government to ensure that
29:58
Speaker 6: any non citizens deining on Texas's voter registration roles are identified.
30:04
Speaker 6: The Biden Harris administration is legally obligated to assist states
30:08
Speaker 6: in doing so, and it is imperative that we use
30:10
Speaker 6: every tool available to uphold the integrity of our elections.
30:15
Speaker 6: All they are trying to do, as he said in
30:17
Speaker 6: that final line, is ensure election integrity, to make sure
30:22
Speaker 6: that people who cannot vote or cannot legally vote, are
30:26
Speaker 6: not allowed to vote. And the roadblocks keep being put
30:30
Speaker 6: in their way, whether it be taking states to court,
30:33
Speaker 6: whether it be not responding to calls like this. The
30:36
Speaker 6: DMS are doing everything to make sure that illegals have
30:39
Speaker 6: the opportunity to vote. Geez, I wonder why, Maybe because
30:43
Speaker 6: Biden let them.
30:44
Speaker 5: In and they might just return to Notice it's the
30:47
Speaker 5: Red States. Each time we have one of these stories,
30:50
Speaker 5: it's the Red States trying to clear up their electoral
30:53
Speaker 5: role to make sure they have a free and fair election.
30:56
Speaker 5: Paxton makes the point in the letter that he wrote
30:59
Speaker 5: to the Feds. Our counties are sometimes a hair's breadth
31:03
Speaker 5: away from going red or blue in different sections of
31:07
Speaker 5: the state. So to make this fair, we need to
31:10
Speaker 5: get rid of nearly half a million voters if indeed
31:15
Speaker 5: they prove not to be citizens. You've got the data.
31:18
Speaker 5: Help us out here. We all care about having an
31:21
Speaker 5: Integris election, don't we but we know that the Dems don't.
31:25
Speaker 5: The Biden Harris administration's DOJ Department of Justice jokes in
31:30
Speaker 5: the name, is currently being sued, sorry suing Alabama for
31:36
Speaker 5: taking just three thousand, two hundred illegals off their voter
31:40
Speaker 5: registration rolls before the election because they say, oh, you
31:43
Speaker 5: didn't do it within the ninety days before the election,
31:46
Speaker 5: You're supposed to have done it by then. They got
31:48
Speaker 5: it in I think eighty four eighty six days out
31:51
Speaker 5: to the election, and the DOJ is genuinely suing the
31:55
Speaker 5: state of Alabama saying no, no, those three thousand, two
31:58
Speaker 5: hundred plus elle eagles should be allowed to vote in
32:01
Speaker 5: the upcoming election. That's how little this administration really wants
32:06
Speaker 5: a free and fair election.
32:07
Speaker 1: And so people have got to keep this in mind
32:09
Speaker 1: every time the Democrats talk about our precious democracy, but
32:13
Speaker 1: they're opposing cleaning up the electoral roles. Every time they
32:16
Speaker 1: talk about we hope there's a peaceful transfer of power,
32:19
Speaker 1: but we can't be sure. Well, they're opposing cleaning up
32:22
Speaker 1: the electoral roles to make sure there's not a massive
32:25
Speaker 1: discontent at the results. You're not allowed to talk about
32:28
Speaker 1: a stolen election. You're not allowed to even utter those
32:30
Speaker 1: words or immediately you're corrected. But they're creating a circumstance
32:35
Speaker 1: where people may well infer that depending on how the
32:39
Speaker 1: result goes, by being seen to be tardy, and not
32:42
Speaker 1: just tardy, as you pointed out, they're actively using the
32:45
Speaker 1: DOJ to oppose making sure the electoral roles are seen
32:50
Speaker 1: to be fair, even and integris.
32:52
Speaker 5: It's just not going to happen. It's really not going
32:55
Speaker 5: to happen. To an interesting story out of the States today.
32:58
Speaker 5: Fluoride in your water, remember that old chestnut. People have
33:02
Speaker 5: been tossing this around for years, but if you questioned it,
33:05
Speaker 5: you're a raging conspiracy theorist, weren't you, Yes, So people
33:09
Speaker 5: just stopped bringing it up. Well, a judge has now
33:12
Speaker 5: instructed a judge in the US has now instructed the EPA,
33:17
Speaker 5: the relevant body over there, to have another look at
33:20
Speaker 5: their regulation of fluoride. Why. Well, in his eighty page ruling,
33:27
Speaker 5: he said, there's little dispute over whether it is hazardous. Indeed,
33:31
Speaker 5: the EPA's own experts say yes, fluoride is hazardous depending
33:36
Speaker 5: on the level. And that got an act that provides
33:39
Speaker 5: a legal pathway for people to petition the EPA to
33:43
Speaker 5: consider whether an industrial chemical presents health rests. I mean,
33:47
Speaker 5: do me a favor. It's an industrial chemical. Here's some
33:52
Speaker 5: of Judge Chen's ruling. He writes, Indeed, EPA's own expert
33:56
Speaker 5: agrees that fluoride is hazardous at some level of exposure,
34:00
Speaker 5: and ample evidence establishes that a mother's explosure to fluoride
34:04
Speaker 5: during pregnancy is associated with IQ decrements in her offspring.
34:09
Speaker 5: Between nineteen eighty one and nineteen eighty four, fluoride's association
34:13
Speaker 5: with adverse effects, including osteosclerosis, enamel fluorosis in psychological and
34:19
Speaker 5: behavioral problems was contested. The court's finding does not conclude
34:24
Speaker 5: with certainty that fluorided fluorided water yet ru redated fluoridated
34:30
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, our resident kel Richards fluoridated water
34:35
Speaker 5: is injurious to public health. Rather as required by the
34:38
Speaker 5: amended TSCA, which is the Toxic Substance Control Act, the
34:44
Speaker 5: court finds there is an unreasonable risk of such injury,
34:47
Speaker 5: a risk sufficient to require the EPA to engage with
34:51
Speaker 5: a regulatory response. Now, this is off the back of
34:54
Speaker 5: a report done by the US government back in August,
34:59
Speaker 5: which found fl you all right in drinking water at
35:01
Speaker 5: twice save limit safe limit rather linked to lower IQ
35:07
Speaker 5: in children. I'm telling you, another day, another good day
35:12
Speaker 5: to be a conspiracy theorist. I'm running out of conspiracy
35:16
Speaker 5: theories here. So look, while they're saying nobody likes stop
35:20
Speaker 5: drinking water, we're not saying everyone's just going to end
35:24
Speaker 5: up deeply affected by this. This is obviously a big
35:28
Speaker 5: enough concern for this Act to be amended on the
35:32
Speaker 5: back of this report, and now for the judge to
35:34
Speaker 5: instruct the EPA. You guys need to get onto this
35:37
Speaker 5: and regulate it a lot better, because they've obviously picked
35:41
Speaker 5: up on the fact it does affect IQ in children.
35:44
Speaker 1: I was wondering how to explain California, and now we
35:47
Speaker 1: know what the problem is. It's the water. What's the
35:50
Speaker 1: bigger issue with low IQ in California? Is it the
35:53
Speaker 1: water or the culture? Interestingly, the judge said something needs
35:56
Speaker 1: to be done, but you didn't specify what needs to
35:59
Speaker 1: be done. He's well, it was so open. I think
36:01
Speaker 1: he was you were warning or they could ban it altogether.
36:04
Speaker 5: Yes, Well, obviously he's leaving that part up to the experts.
36:08
Speaker 5: But the case had been brought to him and all
36:10
Speaker 5: he knows is, yes, something definitely needs to be done.
36:13
Speaker 5: But he's not a medical expert, but he's already said
36:16
Speaker 5: the EPA experts say this is a hazardous substance. Yes,
36:20
Speaker 5: it does have these adverse health.
36:21
Speaker 1: Affow that's can be an issue of balance, right exactly.
36:24
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean it would be stupid if we're
36:25
Speaker 6: not continually looking at the levels of this stuff that's
36:28
Speaker 6: in the water. And I mean that the other one, Oh.
36:30
Speaker 5: Like we look at the pfas and I was going to.
36:31
Speaker 6: Say, this is the ultimate example, right that the US
36:34
Speaker 6: has led the way in terms of regulating how much
36:36
Speaker 6: prefas is allowed to be in water. And you look
36:39
Speaker 6: at the levels of pfas that is found forever chemicals
36:43
Speaker 6: in simpletons that he's found in Australian water. The regulations
36:46
Speaker 6: are so much higher than what they are in the US.
36:49
Speaker 6: You're not continually assessing this up, I'd say, you're actually
36:53
Speaker 6: putting people at risk. Whatever chemical At.
36:55
Speaker 5: Munch, we allow pfast levels over one hundred and fourteen
36:58
Speaker 5: times the legal limit in the US. That's how much
37:01
Speaker 5: your government cares about your health.
37:03
Speaker 1: Australia, Well, I'm sure that discussion will continue. We're going
37:06
Speaker 1: to take a break when we come back. Look at
37:08
Speaker 1: what's making news tomorrow, including our country's peak Judicial body
37:12
Speaker 1: says judges need to be trained in the effects of
37:14
Speaker 1: colonialism before sitting on cases involving indigenous defendants. That's coming
37:19
Speaker 1: up in this a moment. Welcome back well. Victorian Liberal
37:25
Speaker 1: leader John Persudo has been having a rough time lately,
37:27
Speaker 1: but I reckon he will like the front page of
37:29
Speaker 1: tomorrow's Herald Son.
37:30
Speaker 5: You know things are dire when the Libs are looking
37:33
Speaker 5: up in Victoria. How bad did it have to get
37:35
Speaker 5: to you Lib's pole vault. Some very exciting news for
37:40
Speaker 5: Victorian's coalition leads Labor for first time in seven years
37:44
Speaker 5: as debt bites. The Victorian Coalition is in an election
37:49
Speaker 5: winning position, overtaking Labor for the first time in almost
37:52
Speaker 5: seven years. A new Redbridge poll shows the Coalition is
37:56
Speaker 5: two points ahead of Labor on a two party preferred
37:58
Speaker 5: basis fifty one to forty nine. Anger of a proposed
38:02
Speaker 5: health cuts, cost of living pressures and the housing crisis
38:05
Speaker 5: have been blamed for the drop in Labour's support in
38:08
Speaker 5: the poll, conducted on the first anniversary of just Siner
38:11
Speaker 5: Allan becoming Premier. Happy anniversary, Alan, This is amazing. I
38:18
Speaker 5: wonder also though, if they know Persuito's on the way out,
38:21
Speaker 5: so they're all like, yeah, you go the Libs anyone,
38:24
Speaker 5: but that guy.
38:25
Speaker 1: Which an amazing pole because it's been taken while Pursuito
38:28
Speaker 1: is in the middle of a defamation trial one of
38:30
Speaker 1: his own MPs. On top of that, there's all these
38:34
Speaker 1: rumors about leadership challenges, and this poll was conducted in
38:37
Speaker 1: the days following those rumors. So it's good news for Pursuito.
38:42
Speaker 1: I might actually keep him there. In fact, maybe this
38:44
Speaker 1: pole has been rigged by the labor Path to try
38:47
Speaker 1: to encourage the Libs cut John Pasic, the.
38:50
Speaker 5: Most defeatable Liberal leader.
38:52
Speaker 6: In the most likely the explanation anniversary bear. I mean, look,
38:57
Speaker 6: I see it at the time, Jacinda Allen ain't no
38:59
Speaker 6: Dameaniel Andrews, and I think that has come to pass.
39:03
Speaker 6: You know, Daniel Andrews was an extraordinary politician. And I've
39:07
Speaker 6: said this before and I truly mean it. One of
39:10
Speaker 6: the best politicians this country has ever seen. Not because
39:13
Speaker 6: he implemented good policy, but he was damn good at politics.
39:17
Speaker 6: He knew how to centralize control and that was what
39:21
Speaker 6: made his government so successful. It was going to be
39:23
Speaker 6: a very hard act to follow, and I think Jacinta
39:26
Speaker 6: Allen is finding that that is a very hard act
39:28
Speaker 6: to follow. She can't do the same stuff that Daniel
39:31
Speaker 6: Andrews didn't. She's starting to pay for it.
39:33
Speaker 5: And those premiers infamously have handed over to a pile
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Speaker 5: of losers. Really, you've got Anastasia Palischet handed over to
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Speaker 5: Miles Mark McGowan handed over most people don't even know
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Speaker 5: his name, with Roger Cook. But yeah, so many of
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Speaker 5: them disappeared, we still remember them as premiers. I swear
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Speaker 5: half the populations on you.
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Speaker 1: Don't pick on the Labor Party? Who's the opposition leader
39:56
Speaker 1: in New South Wales? Mart speakman, Yeah, it took you
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Speaker 1: a moment though, Sorry.
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Speaker 6: I think give me some But that's a good point.
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Speaker 6: I reckon. If you walk down Pitt Street Mall in Sydney,
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Speaker 6: nine out of ten people wouldn't be able to tell
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Speaker 6: you who that the opposition leader is.
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Speaker 5: Now, yeah, I think nine out of ten that's generous.
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Speaker 5: A cup clash question still on the Herald's son, the
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Speaker 5: Albenese government is under pressure, including from a top horse trainer,
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Speaker 5: to reschedule question time in Parliament on Melbourne Cup Day
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Speaker 5: because it clashes with the race that stops the nation.
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Speaker 5: The Opposition says Anthony Albanezi has already said a president
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Speaker 5: to move the daily grilling after he moved it to
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Speaker 5: ten am this Wednesday so he could fly to Laos.
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Speaker 5: There you go. Should a bigger question though, should Parliament
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Speaker 5: sit on Melbourne cuss Not exactly. This is an international fanfare.
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Speaker 5: This is not just the race that stops the nation.
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Speaker 5: In many parts of the world they stop as well.
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Speaker 5: This is a really, really big deal. So why aren't
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Speaker 5: all our pollies fronting up and making a day of this?
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Speaker 6: To what a party pooper Anthony Albaniz A you absolute
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Speaker 6: party pooper, take your nap with a cup nonsense elsewhere.
41:12
Speaker 6: If they should not be sitting on Melbourne Cup Day,
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Speaker 6: they should be in Melbourne at Flemington soaking up the atmosphere.
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Speaker 6: For heaven's sake. If you're sitting on Melbourne Cup Day,
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Speaker 6: this is not a serious country anymore. Melbourne Cup Day
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Speaker 6: is a sacred day in this nation. It should be
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Speaker 6: a public holiday in every state, not just Victoria. Because
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Speaker 6: it's an adults day right, every other public holiday sort
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Speaker 6: of becomes a family day. Christmas is a family Easter
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Speaker 6: is a family thing, like Melbourne Cup Day is a
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Speaker 6: day for adults to go out for a long lunch
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Speaker 6: and get on the piss and have a good day
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Speaker 6: and watch the races and long may that rain. You
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Speaker 6: are no PM of Australia if you allow Parliament to
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Speaker 6: sit on Melbourne Cup Day. And if you are a
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Speaker 6: Labor voter watching this, I implore you, if nothing else,
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Speaker 6: if it's not even the cost of living, this is
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Speaker 6: the reason that you can't vote for labor anymore.
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Speaker 1: If it's a neighbor, then there's a good reason for
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Speaker 1: Labour MPs to be in Parliament doing work well. I
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Speaker 1: don't understand about this article. The Albanezi government is under
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Speaker 1: pressure to risk schedule question time and listen, they're under pressure,
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Speaker 1: including from a top horse trainer. What's a top horse
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Speaker 1: trainer got to do with when question time is held.
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Speaker 6: On Melbourne Cup Day? He should have everything to do
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Speaker 6: with what time.
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Speaker 1: Quest the hop horse trainer's opinion?
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Speaker 6: Look, have you seen what those people can do? They
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Speaker 6: probably do a better job of running the country than
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Speaker 6: Anthony Alberniz. Let's go to the Australian tomorrow where it says,
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Speaker 6: see if emmy you reprieve for rip your head off.
42:43
Speaker 6: Rep se FM you administrator Mark Irving has decided to
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Speaker 6: keep employing seeing your union organizer Joel Shackleton despite him
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Speaker 6: being charged by police with threatening to kill an owner
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Speaker 6: of an indigenous labor hire company and losing his right
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Speaker 6: to inter building sites, probably tells you something about the
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Speaker 6: way the CFME you operates, doesn't it. For the record,
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Speaker 6: what mister Shackleton is alleged to have said to the
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Speaker 6: owner of this indigenous labor hire company was don't f
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Speaker 6: with me. I'll effing take your soul and I'll rip
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Speaker 6: your efing head off. Don't go off with me. See
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Speaker 6: if you you're an efing dog. Well they put their
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Speaker 6: finness forward at the cf ME.
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Speaker 5: You don't date really do?
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Speaker 6: How do you keep you? How do you continue to work? Like?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 6: I understand guilty innocent because yuildy before proven innoce innocent
43:36
Speaker 6: before proven guilty. But at the very least you stand
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Speaker 6: someone down, don't you win? Something like this is going
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Speaker 6: on and the CFMU has enough trouble at the moment
43:44
Speaker 6: with alligation and corruption, et cetera, without continue continuing to
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Speaker 6: employ people who were accused of threatening to rip off
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Speaker 6: people's heads and steal their souls.
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Speaker 1: I would have thought, steal your soul seems to be
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Speaker 1: a little extreme.
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Speaker 5: Rathergot You're way too poetic for him. I'll take your soul. Really,
44:05
Speaker 5: that sounds like a satany kind of thing.
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Speaker 6: You may take my head, but you will never take
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Speaker 6: my soul. Another story on the front of the Ostermorrow
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Speaker 6: Trauma Guide for judges to go won't. Judges should be
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Speaker 6: trauma informed when dealing with Indigenous defendants and consider the
44:21
Speaker 6: pervasive intergenerational effects of settler colonialism when presiding over them
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Speaker 6: in court. A new two hundred page guidebook endorsed by
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Speaker 6: the country's peak judicial body, says, I mean, whatever happened
44:35
Speaker 6: to the idea of we're all equal before the law?
44:39
Speaker 6: I thought, if we went to court, if I'm accused
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Speaker 6: of a crime, if you're accused of a crime, an
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Speaker 6: Indigenous person is accused of the crime, we all have
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Speaker 6: exactly the same rights. The presumption of innocence one hundred.
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Speaker 6: Isn't it all the same?
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Speaker 5: No? No, I learned this my first semester in law school,
44:56
Speaker 5: they drilled it into us. We're actually not equal before
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Speaker 5: the law at all, because what applies to Indigenous Aussies
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Speaker 5: is the Bugny Principles and the Fernando Principles, and these
45:07
Speaker 5: are specifically spelt out for Indigenous peoples. And basically, to summarize,
45:14
Speaker 5: they don't get sentenced the same as US, they don't
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Speaker 5: get the same punishments the same as US. It's simply
45:21
Speaker 5: this whole idea of all equal before the law. Oh no, no,
45:24
Speaker 5: we're not. Look up the Bugny Principles, look up the
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Speaker 5: Fernando Principles, and you'll understand judges are instructed by law
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Speaker 5: to handle Indigenous those who come before the courts very differently.
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Speaker 1: This is part of a whole push to change our
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Speaker 1: judicial system for Indigenous defendants. Just a while ago we
45:44
Speaker 1: reported that there was a serious suggestion that juries should
45:48
Speaker 1: comprise half white people half Indigenous people when it was
45:52
Speaker 1: an Indigenous defendant. So there's a push to really change
45:55
Speaker 1: a lot of our legal system to help Indigenous people.
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Speaker 1: But the question then of fairness before the law becomes
46:03
Speaker 1: quite pertinent.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, should you get special dispensation for the
46:07
Speaker 6: fact that you grew up in Victoria. I mean, you
46:09
Speaker 6: probably deserve it for that, or the fact that you're Balding.
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Speaker 1: Or born in Wogglego.
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Speaker 5: Though so I thought you said for the fact that
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Speaker 5: you're balding.
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Speaker 1: You did say that, but I just gave it. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go to a break when we come back.
46:23
Speaker 1: A museum has a piece of artwork thrown in the
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Speaker 1: bin because staff thought it was just trash. That's coming
46:29
Speaker 1: up in a moment, welcome back. Well, we're on the
46:35
Speaker 1: eve of a royal visit and calim, I'm looking forward
46:37
Speaker 1: to King Charles arriving on our shores. But how do
46:39
Speaker 1: you think he will go with the common man?
46:41
Speaker 6: Well, we shall see. Look, he's probably not as good
46:44
Speaker 6: as his mother when it comes to these things, but
46:46
Speaker 6: he is still our king. But he has some peculiarities.
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Speaker 6: King Charles, of course, he's famous for talking to vegetables,
46:53
Speaker 6: because apparently that does something. But to God forbid those
46:56
Speaker 6: vegetables be in a bowl with some you know, glad
46:59
Speaker 6: wrap cling film over the top of the mystoria has
47:02
Speaker 6: resurfaced from a book in twenty eighteen because we learned
47:05
Speaker 6: this week that King Charles has, apparently for the first
47:08
Speaker 6: time in his life started eating lunch. He never particularly
47:11
Speaker 6: enjoyed eating lunch, but since his cancer diagnosis and treatment,
47:14
Speaker 6: he thought it was good for his health to do so.
47:16
Speaker 6: So he has half an avocado that he go there's
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Speaker 6: something new, but the edge from this book has come
47:21
Speaker 6: back up. That reads. He walked into the dining room
47:24
Speaker 6: and shrieked, fearing the worst. Camilla dashed in after him.
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Speaker 6: What's this, asked her husband, pointing at the food. It's
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Speaker 6: cling film, darling, she replied, I mean he'd made it.
47:35
Speaker 6: This book was twenty eighteen. What he's seventy five now,
47:38
Speaker 6: so you know, let's say he was in his sixties
47:40
Speaker 6: when he's made it, sixty odd years of his life
47:43
Speaker 6: and he's never ever seen cling film.
47:46
Speaker 1: It's good to be the king cap.
47:47
Speaker 6: Oh my good, Well he wasn't.
47:49
Speaker 5: The real man of the people vibes real man. He'll
47:52
Speaker 5: go well in Australia for sure. How this before we
47:56
Speaker 5: leave you for a testament to the fact that modern
47:59
Speaker 5: art is an absolute I saw an actual rubbish It
48:04
Speaker 5: was mistaken for in a Dutch museum. This display of
48:08
Speaker 5: artistic beer cans was spotted by a mechanic who worked
48:13
Speaker 5: at the museum. Rightly thought they were trash and shucked
48:17
Speaker 5: them in the bend. I mean, who among us wouldn't
48:21
Speaker 5: make that mistake. The museum's director is quoted as saying, well,
48:25
Speaker 5: our art encourages visitors to see everyday objects in a
48:29
Speaker 5: new light by displaying artworks in unexpected places. Bears mentioning
48:35
Speaker 5: these were in a lift. So again, how was the
48:37
Speaker 5: mechanic supposed to note? We amplify this experience and keep
48:42
Speaker 5: visitors on their toes. Mate, if I was a janitor
48:46
Speaker 5: in a modern art museum, it'd be empty. I'd just
48:50
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, clearly, all this is trash. They'd walk
48:54
Speaker 5: in the next day to be like, who's the news?
48:56
Speaker 1: How easy is it to be an artist these days?
48:58
Speaker 1: Put two beer cans on the floor and you call
49:00
Speaker 1: it all the good times we spent together.
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Speaker 6: And I really hope my mother is watching tonight, because
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Speaker 6: she always used to complain when I was a kid
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Speaker 6: that I left all the glasses on my beat standing
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Speaker 6: there they were.
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Speaker 5: They were.
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Speaker 6: Installation, mom. I found the answer. It was hot.
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Speaker 1: That's it from us sticking around. Coming up is the
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Speaker 1: reader Penny show that's up in just a moment,