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Legally Brunette: Ohio Dentist Murders & The Au Pair Affair · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode I Legally Brunette. I
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Speaker 1: will be your host today Emily Simpson and Shane and
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Speaker 1: Shane also, before we start, I just want to remind
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Speaker 1: I'm excited about the episode today because there's just a
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Speaker 1: lot of things going on, you know, in my news
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Speaker 1: sorch with in my news source, which is what which
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Speaker 1: is Instagram. Yes, I realized every basic aspect of my life,
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Speaker 1: where like I find new things to incorporate into my life,
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Speaker 1: they all come from Instagram, basically tide. It's like I
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Speaker 1: follow fitness influencers, so I'm like, oh, those are workouts
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do. They came from Instagram.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what a husband should do.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I send Shane Instagram reels all the time about
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Speaker 1: husbands and how they should treat their wives and children
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Speaker 1: and anyway, So basically my life revolves around what I
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Speaker 1: see on instas which is probably sad, but anyway, let's
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Speaker 1: get into we have in the past, We've done I
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Speaker 1: think two maybe more full episodes on Blake Lively and
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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni, which was huge when it first came out.
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Speaker 1: So if you guys have not listened to those episodes,
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Speaker 1: I would suggest go back and listen to him, because
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Speaker 1: we do a really good job of just simplifying what
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Speaker 1: is going on, what she's suing him for breaking it down.
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Speaker 1: But then we took a step away because I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I just kind of got I was just kind of
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Speaker 1: over all of it.
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Speaker 3: We talked about it a little bit too, like it
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Speaker 3: kind of plateaued out.
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Speaker 2: There wasn't a whole lot. Well, I feel like publicly.
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Speaker 1: I feel like the content creators were just like jumping
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Speaker 1: on it, and you know, every little thing that came
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Speaker 1: forward they were talking about. But let's just do a
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Speaker 1: little bit. Because so so, Blake Lively has retained she
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Speaker 1: has a new attorney because she's going to trial soon.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're slated to go to trial.
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Speaker 2: This man attorney.
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Speaker 1: She has retained prominent attorney Secret McCauley to represent her
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Speaker 1: in her upcoming trial against Justin Baldoni. McCauley is a
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Speaker 1: managing partner at Boys Schiller Flow and is known for
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Speaker 1: previously representing sex trafficking victims connected to the late Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: She has also represented Lively's publicist, This was Leslie Sloane.
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Speaker 1: We talked about Leslie Sloane back in past episodes after
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Speaker 1: Baldoni named Sloan in a countersuit accusing her of orchestrating
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Speaker 1: a smear campaign. And if you guys remember all those
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Speaker 1: claims that Justin Baldoni had against the publicists and against
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Speaker 1: New York Times, those were all dismissed. In a statement
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Speaker 1: to The Cut, this is where the article came from,
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Speaker 1: McCauley said, it is a privilege to get to work
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Speaker 1: with Blake Lively's world class legal team on a case that,
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Speaker 1: at its core is about a woman who has subjected
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Speaker 1: to a hostile work environment and is being attacked for
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Speaker 1: standing up to protect herself and other female coworkers. As
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Speaker 1: a reminder, Lively and Baldoni have been locked in a
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Speaker 1: legal dispute since I remember it was December of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four. It was before Christmas last year ago. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that we started. Goodness, yeah, I remember. I actually pulled
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Speaker 1: all the legal documents so again, if you guys want
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Speaker 1: to go back and listen, I feel like we did
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Speaker 1: it from Instagram, not from Instagram. I actually pulled all
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Speaker 1: of the documents, read them multiple times, so I feel
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Speaker 1: like we did a good breakdown on it. But as
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Speaker 1: a reminder, Lively and Baldoni had been locked in a
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Speaker 1: legal dispute since December of twenty twenty four, when Lively
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Speaker 1: sued him alleging sexual harassment and inappropriate conduct during the
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Speaker 1: filming of It Ends with Us. Baldoni responded with his
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Speaker 1: own lawsuit, accusing Lively, Sloan and Ryan Reynolds of defamation
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Speaker 1: and extortion, arguing that Lively's claims were part of a
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Speaker 1: broader effort to wrestle creative control of the film away
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Speaker 1: from him, and that countersuit was dismissed by a judge
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Speaker 1: back in June of twenty twenty five. The trial itself
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Speaker 1: is currently still slated for this upcoming mayfre.
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Speaker 2: Do you stand on the You're a huge Baldoni?
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Speaker 1: Oh my opinion, well, my opinion of him and of
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Speaker 1: Blake Lively has not changed at all. I still by
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Speaker 1: the fact that I think this man is being railroaded
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Speaker 1: by someone who just want a creative control of a
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Speaker 1: film and has made sexual harassment claims against him without
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Speaker 1: from what I have seen, stantial substantial evidence to back
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Speaker 1: that up. We will continue to follow that. There was
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Speaker 1: also another article and extra. It was about Justin Baldoni.
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Speaker 1: He claims that Blake Lively calls her New York City
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Speaker 1: home office. She refers to it as Buckingham Palace. I
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Speaker 1: think it just goes to the core of her ego.
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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni has offered new details about meetings he had
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Speaker 1: with Blake Lively while filming It Ends with Us, according
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Speaker 1: to deposition testimony given and mid their ongoing legal dispute, Baldoni,
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Speaker 1: who was deposed. He was deposed back in October twenty five,
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Speaker 1: described those interactions in a transcript which was obtained by
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Speaker 1: people During the deposition. He said Lively referred to her
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Speaker 1: New York City home as Buckingham Palace, and nickname, he explained,
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Speaker 1: was tied to the number of well known figures who
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Speaker 1: passed through its space, it's halls, through its hallowed halls.
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Speaker 1: In November, people reported on an unsealed email that referenced
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Well, we knew Taylor Swift because that was
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Speaker 1: the allegations that Taylor Swift was present during one of
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Speaker 1: the I guess remember when Ryan Reynolds freezed out one
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Speaker 1: of the well they justin Baldoni went to her home
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Speaker 1: to discuss a scene, but then Ryan Reynolds was there
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Speaker 1: and apparently he flipped out on him and was berating him,
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Speaker 1: And I guess Taylor Swift was allegedly there, and that's
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Speaker 1: how she became involved.
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Speaker 3: Well, and then she's probably involved because they want to
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Speaker 3: pick her brain on whatever conversations she's had with Lively
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Speaker 3: and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Which I still I believe. I don't think they're friends
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Speaker 1: anymore at this point. Or Taylor Swift's is taking.
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Speaker 2: A She's going to write an album about it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's coming out soon, to be very sad. Also,
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Speaker 1: allegedly Hugh Jackman was present during this confrontation involving Baldonia
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Speaker 1: around Reynolds.
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Speaker 2: Why was he there?
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Speaker 1: I don't know where Reynolds unloaded.
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Speaker 3: I guess filming with Reynolds, right? Were they filming like
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Speaker 3: the Wolverine Dead Deadpool stuff?
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Speaker 1: Oh? So, I guess he was at Buckingham Palace too,
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Speaker 1: I guess. And this is during that confrontation we just
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Speaker 1: talked about telling him how horrible it was that Baldoni
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Speaker 1: had asked lively about her weight. Do you remember that
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Speaker 1: that was an issue where she said he harassed her
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Speaker 1: because I guess he had gone to her personal trainer
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Speaker 1: and asked how much she weighed and then it got
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Speaker 1: back to her. But he claims he asked how much
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Speaker 1: she weighed because he had back problems, so he just
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Speaker 1: wanted to know, like how to lift her.
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Speaker 3: Calm down people. So why do you ask how much
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Speaker 3: she weighed? I mean, people ask how tall you are?
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Speaker 3: And is that supposed to be offensive?
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Speaker 1: Don't? Is it offensive when people ask you how tall
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Speaker 1: you are? Are you offended? Mine?
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Speaker 2: I am going to start suing people, are you yes? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Notes don't ask Shane how tall he.
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Speaker 2: Is a lot of money asked me. I'm going to
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Speaker 2: see you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's move on from that. If anything
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Speaker 1: new develops and that will definitely talk about it. But
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Speaker 1: we will definitely follow the trial. If I still can't
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Speaker 1: is going to trial, but we'll see if it continues
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Speaker 1: on to May. This is a new developing story. It
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Speaker 1: happens in Ohio. I feel like there's so many things
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Speaker 1: that happen in Ohio. I don't know why. I'm from Ohio.
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Speaker 1: If you guys don't know that, I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: You do it.
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Speaker 3: I think it's because I think publicly they release bodycam footage,
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Speaker 3: and journalists have more access probably to all this stuff.
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Speaker 2: So it spreads like wildfire, and you're saying your people
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Speaker 2: are murderers. My people are your people? My people?
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Speaker 1: Well, the reason I say a lot of things happens
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Speaker 1: in Ohio is because I don't know if you guys
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Speaker 1: know this, but I've always I've always been obsessed with
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Speaker 1: Forensic Files, and I have there's Forensic Files too. I've seen, No,
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Speaker 1: it's not as good as the original, but I have
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Speaker 1: seen every episode of Forensic Files. And I will tell
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Speaker 1: you if you guys watch Forensic Files, or if you
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Speaker 1: start watching it, or if you haven't watched but now
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Speaker 1: you're in tune to watching it again, you will now
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Speaker 1: notice after hearing this that the majority of the stories
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Speaker 1: on Forensic Files happened in Ohio.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, I think it's because whoever was the
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Speaker 3: creator of Forensic Files, or you know, the researchers and
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Speaker 3: all that there's probably more accessible, you know, info that
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Speaker 3: they can get publicly from Ohio to create a show.
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Speaker 2: All right, So trying to help your people out.
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Speaker 1: I know, I get it. You're saying it's accessible as
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Speaker 1: opposed to in proportionate with other states. Correct, disproportionate, correct?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: All right, So, if you guys have been following the
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Speaker 1: news at all, there is a new developing story that
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Speaker 1: has happened and it's in the Columbus, Ohio area. So
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Speaker 1: a man named Spencer, I guess tepie teep I don't
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Speaker 1: know how to say his last name, TPP Spencer, Spence.
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Speaker 1: This is the Ohio dentist. He was a well regarded
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Speaker 1: thirty seven year old dentist and his wife, Monique, who
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Speaker 1: was thirty nine, were found fatally shot inside their colle
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Speaker 1: I was home on December thirtieth, twenty twenty five, while
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Speaker 1: their two young children were inside. And I believe their
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Speaker 1: children are your age four, one, four and one. According
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Speaker 1: to wsy X, Spencer was known for his reliability at
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Speaker 1: Athens Dental Depot, where he worked roughly seventy five miles
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Speaker 1: from the family's home. That would suck to work that
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Speaker 1: far away from home, seventy five miles away.
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Speaker 2: What kind of job did you have?
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Speaker 1: He's a dentist.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot everybody killed. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I got. That's the professions mixed up.
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Speaker 1: I just said dentists. This is what it's like being
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Speaker 1: married to you.
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Speaker 2: Jeez, maybe I'm quizzing you making sure you're paying attention
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Speaker 2: to dentists.
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Speaker 1: He's a dentist.
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Speaker 3: His well, okay, so to my point, yes, he might
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Speaker 3: only work three days a week.
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Speaker 2: Why do you say that, because dentists don't necessarily have
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Speaker 2: to work five days a week.
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Speaker 1: I did not know that.
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Speaker 2: He didn't know that.
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Speaker 3: No, I have a friend of orthodox. He lives in
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Speaker 3: one state and he comes to California for three days
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Speaker 3: a week.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, my friend who is a dentist, she works
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Speaker 1: in Arizona and here, so you'll see.
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Speaker 2: Still see, I don't know okay, and then you wonder
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Speaker 2: about me.
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Speaker 1: Okay. His employer was doctor Mark Vauros. He told dispatchers
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Speaker 1: that Spencer's unexplained absence was alarming, so that's how they
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Speaker 1: were tipped off. In the beginning. He doesn't show up
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Speaker 1: for work, and they said that he was responsible, always
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Speaker 1: on time, so the fact that he was not at work,
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Speaker 1: didn't call, didn't notify anyone.
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Speaker 3: If I didn't show for work, there'd be no one
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Speaker 3: would nod again.
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Speaker 1: No, but you know what, this is what Shane, this
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Speaker 1: is what Shane Noy says. The only welfare check that
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Speaker 1: would come for me would be from Nordstrum.
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Speaker 2: Right. They'd be like, we have some concerns. We have
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Speaker 2: that senior in the last forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: So also they said what was concerning was they tried
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Speaker 1: to get ahold of his wife and they couldn't get
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Speaker 1: ahold of his wife. So when they couldn'tet a hold
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Speaker 1: of him, they couldn't get a hold of his wife,
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Speaker 1: that's when everyone was alarmed and they called nine to
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Speaker 1: one one.
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Speaker 3: So the I always find that to be carrying people
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Speaker 3: like the employers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Instead it's being like, oh my gosh, she didn't show up.
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Speaker 1: What a jer what a jerk.
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Speaker 3: They're like, we have concerns. Yeah, this is not normal, right,
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Speaker 3: and I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: So he placed the nine one one call around eight
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Speaker 1: fifty eight am, requesting a welfare check and telling the
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Speaker 1: dispatcher quote, he is always on time and he would
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Speaker 1: contact us if there were any issues. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how else to say this, but we are very, very concerned.
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Speaker 1: This is very out of character for him, he also said,
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Speaker 1: adding quote, we can't get in touch with his wife,
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Speaker 1: which is probably the more concerning thing. So police arrived
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Speaker 1: at the home around nine twenty two am to conduct
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Speaker 1: the wellness check, but received no response at the door.
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Speaker 1: At nine to fifty six am, another nine to one
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Speaker 1: one call was placed by a friend of the couple
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Speaker 1: at the scene, who reported hearing children inside the house,
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Speaker 1: and then at approximately ten oh three, a visibly distressed
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Speaker 1: friend contacted dispatch after entering the home. There's a body,
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Speaker 1: he said. Our friend wasn't answering his door. We just
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Speaker 1: came here and he appears dead. Columbus Police later confirmed
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Speaker 1: that Spencer and Monique were found deceased inside their Wineland
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Speaker 1: Park home. The time of the murders is believed to
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Speaker 1: have taken place sometime between two am and five am.
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Speaker 2: So then my question is how did he enter the home.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get to that. We're just giving
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Speaker 1: some background information on how police knew to go to
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Speaker 1: the house, the friends and family looking for them, him
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Speaker 1: not showing up for work. The two children, ages one
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Speaker 1: and four, left inside the house unharmed, Thank goodness. There
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Speaker 1: was also a golden doodle that was unharmed as well.
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Speaker 1: There was a dog.
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Speaker 2: Children. Did they see the bodies?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. The children I believe were found in
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Speaker 1: their bedrooms and the dog was unharmed as well, So
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Speaker 1: all we can.
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Speaker 2: Hope is that the children didn't have to see that.
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Speaker 1: So Michael David McKee, who is a thirty nine year
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Speaker 1: old vascular surgeon, was arrested on January tenth, so he's
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Speaker 1: arrested eleven days later. They did have I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you saw this, so a suspected surgeon killed. Yes,
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Speaker 1: a dentists. Yes, they did have video surveillance of someone
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Speaker 1: in the alleyway that was walking in the alleyway during
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Speaker 1: near the home.
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Speaker 2: But you couldn't make out who it was.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was just a man and like a you know,
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Speaker 1: like a black hoodie. You couldn't make out what it was.
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Speaker 1: But I do believe they showed it asking for tips,
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Speaker 1: and they knew the murder took place between two and
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Speaker 1: five am, and I believe he was walking by their
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Speaker 1: home around that time period, and so they were looking
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Speaker 1: for tips. But they arrested him eleven days later.
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Speaker 3: On the link it took eleven days for them to
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Speaker 3: determine who the suspect.
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Speaker 1: Was eleven days. Court records show that Michael McKee and
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Speaker 1: Monique Teppe were married in August of twenty fifteen. The
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Speaker 1: marriage ended less than two years later, when Monique initiated
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Speaker 1: divorce proceedings in May of twenty seventeen. So the man
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Speaker 1: arrested for allegedly killing these two people was her ex husband, but.
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Speaker 3: Again long ago, because now she moved on. She's married,
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Speaker 3: she has kids, ages one and four.
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Speaker 1: And she's married to a dentist. You know, I had
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Speaker 1: to look up vascular surgeon. I didn't know what that was.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I knew, I know he's a doctor and
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Speaker 1: he's successful and he's educated. Yes, yes, you're right. The torso,
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Speaker 1: the torso, it's the veins. Oh, it's the veins. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I looked it up here. A vascular surgeon is a
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Speaker 1: doctor who specializes in treating diseases and conditions affecting the
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Speaker 1: body's arteries, veins, and lymphatic system, excluding the heart and brain.
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Speaker 1: It says, essentially, a vascular surgeon is acting as the
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Speaker 1: plumber for your circulatory system by managing blockages aneurysms.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, lot, but yeah, with vessels, namely in the tour.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I always understood that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, oh, you're right, because a heart would be specialty,
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Speaker 3: a brain would be specialty.
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Speaker 1: At the time of the filing, McKee was living in Virginia,
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Speaker 1: and records indicate the couple were already separated. The divorce
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Speaker 1: was finalized roughly a month later. The filings do not
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Speaker 1: reflect any noted hostility between the two, and they do
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Speaker 1: not share any children together. So, okay, they were married two.
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Speaker 2: Years, I believe in any cleaner of a separation.
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Speaker 1: No, they were married two years, but I think I
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Speaker 1: read or someone did an interview that said basically they
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Speaker 1: only lived together like seven months.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, it couldn't be any cleaner separation.
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Speaker 1: They had no children, so you're not talking about someone
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Speaker 1: that's angry over custody.
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Speaker 3: They have to maintain a relationship because they got a
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Speaker 3: co parent, right.
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Speaker 2: So there's no some business.
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Speaker 1: Interaction or anything between the two of them. And this
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Speaker 1: is back in twenty fifteen when they were married, So
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Speaker 1: you're talking about eleven years later that this man.
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Speaker 2: Drive divorced in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: No, they were married in twenty fifteen, and then they
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Speaker 1: were divorced. She started to divorce him in Man twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 1: so I mean nine years ago is when their divorce happened.
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Speaker 1: So as part of the divorce settlement, McKee retained ownership
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Speaker 1: of a two hundred and thirty thousand dollars home in Roanoke, Virginia,
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Speaker 1: where he was completing his medical residency. The property and
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Speaker 1: mortgage were in his name, and neither party was ordered
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Speaker 1: to pay spousal support. Each kept their own vehicles and
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Speaker 1: assume responsibility for their individual debts according to their marriage
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Speaker 1: their disillusion agreement. So basically, it's like.
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Speaker 2: They was just away.
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Speaker 1: It's a blip.
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Speaker 2: It's walked away from each other, right, they had no
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Speaker 2: childre handled it well, and that's it.
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Speaker 1: She did some people to come forward, her family, I
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Speaker 1: think it was her brother, gave multiple interviews or maybe
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Speaker 1: it was just getting repeated and I kept reading it
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Speaker 1: over and over where he does claim that she was
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Speaker 1: terrified of him, and that she claimed that he was
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Speaker 1: very hostile, controlling violence, far.
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Speaker 2: Away from each other, Like did she relocate to another town?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was five hundred miles away. Oh my godess,
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Speaker 1: he's in Virginia, right, He's in Virginia and they're located
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Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio. So in order sounds about right.
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Speaker 2: So then in.
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Speaker 1: Order for him, so he he played Yeah, well that
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Speaker 1: means that means to me that he was like stalking
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Speaker 1: her life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. Yeah, he knows where she is. Right.
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Speaker 1: So allegedly we just talked about this a little bit.
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Speaker 1: We'll we'll go into it more. Michael was abusive in
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Speaker 1: the marriage, So Monique's brother in law Rob, his name
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Speaker 1: is Rob Missley. I don't know exactly how to say
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Speaker 1: his last name, It's mi I. S l e H
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Speaker 1: told NBC News she was terrified because he had threatened
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Speaker 1: her life on multiple occasions when they were married. She
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Speaker 1: wasn't shy about talking to people about her traumatic experiences
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Speaker 1: that she had with the ex and just how emotionally
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Speaker 1: abusive he was to her. It affected her to this day.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: The fact that she was strong enough to only be
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Speaker 1: married to him for a short period, see what she
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Speaker 1: was in and to see the red flags, to not
17:26
Speaker 1: have children with him, to give him the house right
17:30
Speaker 1: because it said he retained the home, she probably had
17:34
Speaker 1: some interest in it. Even though they were wearried married
17:37
Speaker 1: for a short period. Of time, but I'm sure you
17:39
Speaker 1: know she probably had some interest in the home.
17:42
Speaker 2: Either way, she didn't. She didn't go after it.
17:44
Speaker 1: Whether she's like I'll take my car and my debt
17:48
Speaker 1: and dignity and i'll leave and you take your you
17:52
Speaker 1: take the house and your car, and let's just be
17:55
Speaker 1: done with each other. This brother in law, Rob, who
18:00
Speaker 1: is married to Spencer's sister. He told ABC News that
18:05
Speaker 1: Monique had been a very strong person. Myself and many
18:08
Speaker 1: others were well aware of the negative impact that this
18:11
Speaker 1: ex husband had had on her. She was willing to
18:13
Speaker 1: do anything to get out of there. Regarding recent threats,
18:17
Speaker 1: he told NBC News, if any of us had known
18:19
Speaker 1: these threats were grounded and a possibility, we all would
18:22
Speaker 1: have acted differently. You know, I don't know if there's
18:24
Speaker 1: recent threats. I don't know if we know. I feel
18:28
Speaker 1: like that's probably what they're investigating now, like the forensic footprint,
18:31
Speaker 1: the digital footprint, Like was he texting her? Was he
18:35
Speaker 1: following her on Facebook? And was he sending her messages?
18:40
Speaker 1: Was he emailing her? Was he That's what we don't know,
18:43
Speaker 1: because what is it that would have triggered someone after
18:47
Speaker 1: all these years? Who isn't an intelligent and educated man
18:51
Speaker 1: who lives in Virginia and is a vascular surgeon.
18:55
Speaker 2: Five hundred miles away to drive five.
18:57
Speaker 1: Hundred miles in the middle of nights.
18:58
Speaker 2: He's settled down? Is he a wife and kids?
19:00
Speaker 1: And I don't believe he does.
19:02
Speaker 2: Dang, he drove that whole way.
19:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the middle of the night.
19:07
Speaker 2: Many years later. Yeah. So there's no known reported incidents
19:11
Speaker 2: between prior to this.
19:13
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that we're aware of at this point, right.
19:16
Speaker 3: So that it might have been private things done, but
19:18
Speaker 3: nothing surfaced publicly.
19:20
Speaker 1: Right, But I thus far, I'm going to guess that
19:23
Speaker 1: they're doing some type of deep digital dive into his
19:27
Speaker 1: phone and electronics and hers.
19:29
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to see if there's a history there, right,
19:32
Speaker 2: because it's not like he was scrolling in the Explore page.
19:35
Speaker 2: I just saw her and he's like, oh I remember her? Yeah,
19:38
Speaker 2: where is she now?
19:39
Speaker 1: She's married to.
19:40
Speaker 2: A tennis Yeah, I gotta get him.
19:42
Speaker 1: According to court filings, investigators trace McKee to a vehicle
19:46
Speaker 1: scene entering the Tepee's neighborhood shortly before the fatal shootings
19:50
Speaker 1: and departing soon after. That vehicle was later found in
19:53
Speaker 1: Rockford Illinois and determined to be registered to him. So
19:56
Speaker 1: that's how they found him. They looked at surveillance video
19:59
Speaker 1: from the neighborhood.
20:00
Speaker 2: And then there was enough of the vehicle.
20:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they could get a license plate from it.
20:04
Speaker 1: There was, so they see him that car somewhere near
20:07
Speaker 1: their residence.
20:08
Speaker 3: And that car belonged to a residence five hundred miles away.
20:12
Speaker 3: So it's not like he was in the neighborhood. No,
20:14
Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty.
20:15
Speaker 1: I mean, like he wasn't there visiting his grandma that
20:17
Speaker 1: lives in their neighborhood.
20:19
Speaker 2: Right, it's not like they live. He can't come up
20:21
Speaker 2: with some silly excuse of like I was going to
20:23
Speaker 2: the mall or whatever.
20:24
Speaker 1: You know. It reminds me also of when we were
20:26
Speaker 1: going through the Idaho murders and they got that's how
20:28
Speaker 1: they that's how they initially were connected to Coburger because
20:32
Speaker 1: the car, remember, the car kept so he got him
20:35
Speaker 1: on surveillance and he kept going back and forth, and
20:37
Speaker 1: then they ended up connecting the license plate to him
20:40
Speaker 1: being a student. And yeah, you know, that's what I
20:43
Speaker 1: was thinking. When people commit murders now in present day,
20:47
Speaker 1: you have to be way savvier.
20:50
Speaker 2: You mean to not leave any evidence behind.
20:53
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, a digital footprint is unreal. I
20:55
Speaker 1: mean the way that you can.
20:57
Speaker 3: Just they can they can go on his car and
21:00
Speaker 3: depending on the car, they can look at his GPS
21:01
Speaker 3: and see if there's a history there. Right, he might
21:03
Speaker 3: have punched in her address maybe yeah, and so maybe
21:07
Speaker 3: it's in the favorites.
21:08
Speaker 1: And just the surveillance cameras everywhere, oh yeah, and the
21:12
Speaker 1: ring footage everywhere. I don't know if you could drive
21:15
Speaker 1: anywhere without your vehicle being picked up somewhere at some point,
21:21
Speaker 1: and your cell phone.
21:23
Speaker 3: And the phone, your phone and that, and they don't
21:25
Speaker 3: necessarily the triangular you know location that they used to use.
21:28
Speaker 3: Now it's pretty dang accurate. Yeah, it's not like, well
21:31
Speaker 3: within this, you know, thirty square miles he was there.
21:34
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I don't understand of these people
21:36
Speaker 1: that or.
21:37
Speaker 2: And no one uses cash.
21:38
Speaker 3: So if you go buy gas, right he had to
21:41
Speaker 3: buy gas in five hundred miles or even if he
21:43
Speaker 3: had to charge his car, it's going to track it.
21:46
Speaker 3: It's going to show a trail.
21:48
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If you're going to commit a
21:49
Speaker 1: murder and don't.
21:50
Speaker 2: Murder anymore, I know, difficult to get away with in
21:53
Speaker 2: present day.
21:55
Speaker 1: You have to be way smarter too. Over you've got
21:59
Speaker 1: to think around those things. You can't cure your cell
22:02
Speaker 1: phone with you. You can't drive a car.
22:04
Speaker 3: When they burn down a house or something to try
22:07
Speaker 3: to get rid of evidence, they actually can create evidence.
22:10
Speaker 3: He's an accelerator here, you know, there's this and that,
22:13
Speaker 3: and sometimes they can look at the gas can and
22:16
Speaker 3: the backtrack things like that, or if you know someone's
22:20
Speaker 3: if the body was burned, and then now the house
22:24
Speaker 3: was burned down, right, and they can't let's say, they
22:26
Speaker 3: can't determine how the homicide was done, right, how the
22:29
Speaker 3: murder was committed. But now they know that it was
22:32
Speaker 3: an arson or it was an intentional act to burn
22:35
Speaker 3: the house down. So now they know it's a homicide
22:37
Speaker 3: as opposed to an accident, right because they see accelerators
22:40
Speaker 3: or they see whatever, or they see it started over
22:42
Speaker 3: here in the bedroom and there's no reason to start there,
22:45
Speaker 3: so they actually create evidence.
22:46
Speaker 2: So the same thing is, if you plan a murder right,
22:50
Speaker 2: you're actually going to create a lot of breadcrumbs.
22:54
Speaker 1: Right because you go get your bikes.
22:56
Speaker 2: I'm going to look up where she lives. Right, I'm
22:58
Speaker 2: gonna put it in my GPS. I'm gonna go buy
23:00
Speaker 2: a gun, right and swipe my card. I mean everything
23:04
Speaker 2: leaves a footprint exactly. I'm going to ring the door bell.
23:08
Speaker 1: No, no ringing the doorbell.
23:09
Speaker 2: Well, that's why again.
23:11
Speaker 1: See we've talked about so many cases. That's why again
23:13
Speaker 1: when I think back to Karen Reid, and there's no
23:15
Speaker 1: there's no surveillance, there's no ring footage of anything from
23:18
Speaker 1: that night.
23:18
Speaker 3: You just got to get the Boston PD to join
23:20
Speaker 3: in on the murder if you want to get away with.
23:22
Speaker 1: It, prosecutors said. A search of the key's residents turned
23:24
Speaker 1: up several firearms, including one that authorities believe may have
23:28
Speaker 1: been used in the killings. Investigators also documented three spent
23:33
Speaker 1: nine millimeter shell casings that were recovered from the home
23:36
Speaker 1: and entered into evidence. Officials are still working to establish
23:39
Speaker 1: whether the firearm in question was legally purchased. However, the
23:42
Speaker 1: firearm that was used was used with a silencer. So
23:46
Speaker 1: talk about more planning, right, he purchased a silencer or
23:50
Speaker 1: made a silencer. I don't know if it was like
23:51
Speaker 1: a homemade one or what. I don't know. Can you
23:53
Speaker 1: buy a silencer? I don't even know. Can you just
23:55
Speaker 1: you can't?
23:56
Speaker 2: Can you?
23:56
Speaker 1: We're not, I don't know. It seems like why would
24:00
Speaker 1: you need it.
24:00
Speaker 3: I think there's restrictions around it, and it's definitely like,
24:04
Speaker 3: you know, alarming, right.
24:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because why why do you need to silence it?
24:12
Speaker 1: Columbus police have also confirmed that McKee was the man
24:15
Speaker 1: seen walking in an alley via video surveillance behind the
24:18
Speaker 1: Tepees home the night of the murders. A Franklin County
24:22
Speaker 1: grand jury has formally indicted Michael McKee on multiple felony charges.
24:26
Speaker 1: The indictment, which was issued on January sixteenth, contains five
24:30
Speaker 1: counts total, including four counts of aggravated murder and one
24:34
Speaker 1: count of aggravated burglary. I just want to talk about
24:37
Speaker 1: this for a second, because we did talk about this
24:39
Speaker 1: with judg aggravated. The aggravated part. The reason is judgels
24:43
Speaker 1: with Judge Lis it's an enhancement. And the reason it's
24:46
Speaker 1: aggravated is because one because of the premeditation involved in
24:51
Speaker 1: the actual planning, but also the use of the silencer.
24:55
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's huge, right.
24:57
Speaker 1: And then aggravated burglary. It's considered burglary just entering a
25:03
Speaker 1: home at night with the intent to commit a crime.
25:05
Speaker 1: You don't actually have to steal something, even though burglary
25:08
Speaker 1: everybody thinks burglary means some like a cat burglar. Burglar, Well,
25:12
Speaker 1: like when someone goes in the house and steals something,
25:14
Speaker 1: acting like a cat, because it's like a cat burglar,
25:17
Speaker 1: you know, like they go in the house with the
25:18
Speaker 1: intent to steal the But burglary isn't. The intent just
25:21
Speaker 1: to steal. Burglary is entering a home at night with
25:24
Speaker 1: the intent to commit a felony. According to charging documents
25:28
Speaker 1: released by the Franklin County Prosecutor's Office, McKee is accused
25:31
Speaker 1: of possessing a firearm that was equipped with a firearm
25:35
Speaker 1: muffler or suppressor on or about his person or under
25:38
Speaker 1: his control while committing the offense. You know what else,
25:41
Speaker 1: I read that I was wondering how they knew this.
25:44
Speaker 1: I also read that his charges were considered aggravated because
25:48
Speaker 1: he showed or brandished the weapon. Each aggravated murder charge
25:53
Speaker 1: carries firearms specifications, including a three year enhancement for using
25:57
Speaker 1: a gun in the commission of the crime. And an
25:59
Speaker 1: additional six year and he tied to the alleged use
26:01
Speaker 1: of firearms suppressor. You know, it also should be enhanced
26:04
Speaker 1: because there's kids in the house that probably has something
26:06
Speaker 1: to do with it too. It's even though he left
26:08
Speaker 1: them alone. There's a one year old and a four
26:10
Speaker 1: year old.
26:11
Speaker 2: The enhancement seller kind of, I mean, I get it.
26:13
Speaker 3: The idea is like, oh, he's even more evil because
26:16
Speaker 3: he wanted to silence it. He premeditated it. But I
26:19
Speaker 3: mean it's not going to work. It's not like someone's
26:21
Speaker 3: gonna like, dude, don't use a silencer. It might aggravate
26:24
Speaker 3: the murder. We might get, you know, multiple years attached concurrently.
26:28
Speaker 1: So McKee has not entered a plea. Investigators have not
26:32
Speaker 1: determined a motive in the killings, and no bond has
26:35
Speaker 1: been issued. I don't know, let's think about motive.
26:39
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you the motive. He wants her
26:42
Speaker 3: dead and her husband, right. I don't think it's difficult, I.
26:46
Speaker 1: Know, but I think people want to wrap their brain
26:48
Speaker 1: around what it was that triggered him to premeditate get
26:51
Speaker 1: in a car, drive five hundred miles nine years later,
26:54
Speaker 1: nine years later, and murder two people in their home
26:58
Speaker 1: who have children. Why has he not moved?
27:00
Speaker 2: And then why didn't he kill? Thankfully but he didn't.
27:02
Speaker 2: But why didn't he touch the children or kill the children?
27:06
Speaker 2: He does morals has moral kids are off limits?
27:10
Speaker 1: Right? You know what else I was thinking about because
27:13
Speaker 1: we talked about this before when we did the Christmas
27:17
Speaker 1: Eve massacre and remember we to It reminds me because
27:20
Speaker 1: remember that guy worked for NASA Santa Claus. He dressed
27:22
Speaker 1: up as Santa Claus and then killed his ex wife
27:25
Speaker 1: and her basically her entire family on Christmas Eve. But
27:29
Speaker 1: he was educated, he worked for NASA, and they had
27:32
Speaker 1: only been married a short period of time and they
27:34
Speaker 1: had no children. And remember we talked about why why
27:38
Speaker 1: do you walk away? Why? I can't remember. I said,
27:42
Speaker 1: if you want to get revenge, why can't you do
27:43
Speaker 1: it in a healthy way, like go to the gym?
27:44
Speaker 1: What about revenge? Body like, why do you have to
27:46
Speaker 1: Why do we have to murder and take people out
27:49
Speaker 1: because you're mad that someone moved?
27:51
Speaker 2: On time you get mad me, I'm like, babe, just
27:53
Speaker 2: just go to the gym.
27:54
Speaker 1: I do. Why do you say I go to the
27:55
Speaker 1: gym every.
27:56
Speaker 2: Day because they're mad at the world.
27:59
Speaker 1: I'm mad at me. I was saying, I was thinking
28:02
Speaker 1: of that because.
28:03
Speaker 2: You have these love you too, Thank you.
28:05
Speaker 1: You're talking about two men who have worked really hard
28:09
Speaker 1: to have a professional career, who went to school for
28:11
Speaker 1: a long period of time, who have the ability to
28:15
Speaker 1: have a nice life and make money, and then they
28:18
Speaker 1: go and do something stupid and murder people and they're
28:21
Speaker 1: going to spend the rest of their life in jail.
28:23
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm not talking about someone that
28:25
Speaker 1: has a crap life that grew up abused and liked
28:27
Speaker 1: know and feels like they have no means of ever
28:30
Speaker 1: being successful or getting anywhere in life. I'm talking about
28:32
Speaker 1: someone who spent a lot of time on education and
28:35
Speaker 1: building a career and doing a residency and being a
28:37
Speaker 1: doctor and then gets in a car and drives five
28:40
Speaker 1: hundred miles in ruins at all. That doesn't make any
28:43
Speaker 1: sense to me. That's the part I don't understand. That's
28:45
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
28:46
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying, but I think the better
28:50
Speaker 3: argument for your point is if someone can compose themselves
28:55
Speaker 3: and focus and actually have end goals to work for
28:59
Speaker 3: NASA or be a vascular surgeon and all these things
29:03
Speaker 3: to be able to hunker down and do what you
29:05
Speaker 3: need to do to have such a career to get
29:07
Speaker 3: to that point. Why can't he kind of control his
29:10
Speaker 3: emotions and other things?
29:12
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm saying why can't you?
29:14
Speaker 2: Because I don't think education alone. It's not like he
29:16
Speaker 2: went to NASA school and he thought, well, these I
29:18
Speaker 2: learned at NASA school that murder is bad.
29:20
Speaker 1: No, NASA school doesn't teach you murder.
29:23
Speaker 2: NASA school, you know what I mean.
29:25
Speaker 1: Let's move on, but we will stay. I'm invested in this, Ohio, Dennis,
29:29
Speaker 1: and I want to know more, so we will definitely
29:31
Speaker 1: say on top of this case and talk about it again.
29:42
Speaker 1: This case. I find this case even more intriguing than
29:45
Speaker 1: the dentist's case, the O pair affair. Okay, lots to
29:48
Speaker 1: talk about here. So Brendan Bamfield and Juliana Perez magaualis.
29:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said that right. It's Brazilian.
29:56
Speaker 1: She's Brazilian. You speak Portuguese. How do you say her
29:58
Speaker 1: last name?
29:58
Speaker 2: Let me see it? What's the saying right her? Well?
30:01
Speaker 2: Perez Perez Marga yells, Magga yels Maugga yells.
30:07
Speaker 1: Shane speaks Portuguese in case anyone was interested, because he
30:10
Speaker 1: did a year.
30:11
Speaker 2: Long mission in I did two years.
30:14
Speaker 1: Yes, but I met a year in Portugal.
30:16
Speaker 2: About a year in Portugal, right, a year in caval
30:18
Speaker 2: vert They speak Creole, right, the fisial language Portugal. But
30:21
Speaker 2: everyone in the street speaks corol.
30:22
Speaker 1: So. Brendan Banfield and this O pair named Juliana, I'm
30:26
Speaker 1: just gonna call her Juliana, conspired to kill her. Name
30:29
Speaker 1: is Juliana. I'm just gonna call her. That conspired to
30:32
Speaker 1: kill Brendan's wife, Christine Banfield so the two of them
30:35
Speaker 1: could be together. The other victim in this case, Joseph Ryan,
30:39
Speaker 1: was an outsider who was allured to the home through
30:41
Speaker 1: a fetish website that Brendan and Juliana allegedly catfished him on.
30:46
Speaker 2: A fetish website fetishish.
30:48
Speaker 1: I think it was called like it's like fetish dot
30:51
Speaker 1: com or it was. Well, let's we have to give
30:55
Speaker 1: a little background on this case.
30:56
Speaker 2: First.
30:57
Speaker 1: First of all, she is a like twenty year old,
31:00
Speaker 1: well she's twenty three or four pair. She came to
31:04
Speaker 1: the United States through an O pair company, and she's
31:08
Speaker 1: Brazilian and I think she was twenty or twenty one
31:11
Speaker 1: when she came here, Okay, and she started working for
31:13
Speaker 1: them when she was like twenty one years old, and
31:15
Speaker 1: they were only paying her two hundred dollars a week
31:18
Speaker 1: for an OH pair. But the right that was the
31:21
Speaker 1: perk was that she came to the United States through
31:24
Speaker 1: this O pair company and then she had free room
31:26
Speaker 1: and board, and then she got a little spending cash
31:29
Speaker 1: on the side. Okay, First of all, I have to say,
31:31
Speaker 1: from a wife point of view, there will be no
31:36
Speaker 1: twenty one year old Brazilian OH pairs that live in
31:40
Speaker 1: our home.
31:41
Speaker 2: What country can she come from?
31:42
Speaker 1: None?
31:42
Speaker 2: There were just okay, but that's offensive, you know. No,
31:45
Speaker 2: I'm saying you don't trust me, Thank you, I trust you.
31:50
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, why say from Brazil? What's the
31:53
Speaker 2: matter where she's from?
31:54
Speaker 1: Because Brazilian live in or hot you say that all
31:57
Speaker 1: the time.
31:58
Speaker 2: I to say, brazil women, I ever said that once
32:02
Speaker 2: in my life.
32:03
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. You're always like, let's go to
32:06
Speaker 1: all that's yeah?
32:09
Speaker 2: Is what mean? Goodness? You say let's go to Greece?
32:14
Speaker 2: Oh a Greek man?
32:15
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Well, creep b wait ticket, all right, thank you?
32:20
Speaker 2: Have you looked up a picture of her?
32:22
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was just cute.
32:23
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, men are attracted things other than physical like physique.
32:28
Speaker 1: No, they're not. Stop stop with that. So in fall, okay, So,
32:32
Speaker 1: Juliana goes to work as an O pair for Brendan
32:35
Speaker 1: and Christine Banfield. When she was about twenty one years old.
32:38
Speaker 1: She and Brendan Banfield began a sexual relationship. About ten
32:41
Speaker 1: months later, prosecutors say Banfield began plotting to kill his wife, Christine,
32:47
Speaker 1: creating a fake profile on a fetish website to communicate
32:51
Speaker 1: with Joseph Ryan points.
32:54
Speaker 2: Okay, one or a question one? How old is he
32:57
Speaker 2: the husband?
32:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, the murder, I don't know, but I would say
33:01
Speaker 1: from the way he looks, he looks like he's in
33:02
Speaker 1: his forties. Also he also is a IRS officer. Yeah,
33:08
Speaker 1: because he made that clear in the nine one one
33:09
Speaker 1: call that he's like, i'm a i'm a.
33:12
Speaker 2: Like that means something.
33:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:13
Speaker 2: Well, okay, the other thing I was.
33:14
Speaker 3: Gonna say was, like we talked about earlier, here he
33:19
Speaker 3: is create he's planning a murder, yes, and by doing.
33:23
Speaker 2: So, he's creating more evidence. Yes.
33:26
Speaker 1: So basically, what this plot is that they came up with,
33:29
Speaker 1: is they created a fake profile in the wife's name,
33:33
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was her or him,
33:35
Speaker 1: because this is what the controversy comes down to, because
33:37
Speaker 1: she took a pleadale and has flipped on him. She
33:41
Speaker 1: testified I believe for like three days straight, two or
33:43
Speaker 1: three days straight that he's the mastermind behind all of this,
33:47
Speaker 1: and like she, you know, was just the innocent, young
33:50
Speaker 1: twenty one year old that just went along with it.
33:52
Speaker 2: I just watched kids.
33:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even though she was the one that shot
33:56
Speaker 1: the other guy, Joseph Ryan, but basically at his you
33:59
Speaker 1: know direction as well, yeah hurt.
34:01
Speaker 3: So if he was older, as you suggest, in his
34:05
Speaker 3: forties and she's twenty and she's from an immigrant from
34:08
Speaker 3: another country now here, and she's kind of under his
34:12
Speaker 3: control and he's the employer. I mean, he can't exercise
34:16
Speaker 3: control over her and authority over her, which is you know,
34:21
Speaker 3: not fair to her, right, because he's putting her in
34:22
Speaker 3: a situation where maybe she feels well, I don't did, but.
34:26
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, rest I don't know that.
34:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know either. I'm just saying there
34:29
Speaker 2: is that there is that relationship, and that could be
34:31
Speaker 2: the case. So it could be.
34:33
Speaker 1: Basically either they acted together and created as this fake
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Speaker 1: profile for the wife on this fetish website, or he
34:42
Speaker 1: did it and she just knew about it. But anyway,
34:44
Speaker 1: they did it in a way so that they had
34:47
Speaker 1: they wanted to play out a rape fantasy where a
34:50
Speaker 1: man comes over to the house with a knife to
34:53
Speaker 1: act out a fantasy rape type of scene.
34:57
Speaker 2: My question, what is their fetish.
34:58
Speaker 1: That's the feed.
34:59
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the fake fetsh that's the fake.
35:01
Speaker 1: Fetish, right, so that's the fake fetish, so that they
35:05
Speaker 1: could then kill her and him. Basically, they wanted it
35:10
Speaker 1: to look like the guy who brought the knife to
35:12
Speaker 1: the house killed her and then they shot him because
35:14
Speaker 1: he was an intruder. So this is this plan they
35:17
Speaker 1: came up with to make it look like someone broke
35:19
Speaker 1: into the house, was hurting her with a knife, killed
35:22
Speaker 1: her with a knife, and then they came upon him
35:24
Speaker 1: and shot him with the gun. So this is a very.
35:26
Speaker 2: Elaborate m because that's another person.
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Speaker 1: That's someone that they that replied to this.
35:33
Speaker 2: This.
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Speaker 1: That's who this Joseph Ryan.
35:35
Speaker 2: My goodness, he's the he's on.
35:37
Speaker 1: The fetish website that said, sure, I would love to
35:41
Speaker 1: play out this role. I'll come to your house wearing
35:45
Speaker 1: a knife.
35:47
Speaker 2: They're like, don't wear a bullet or vest, no questions,
35:50
Speaker 2: just show up.
35:51
Speaker 1: Show up with a knife. So that's what happened. So
35:54
Speaker 1: they create a fake profile, he replies. They set up
35:59
Speaker 1: a meeting date where he thinks he's coming to meet
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Speaker 1: this woman, Christine and to have this fantasy filled, fulfilled
36:08
Speaker 1: scene where they're going to have consensual sex, and he
36:11
Speaker 1: brings a knife with him. So he shows up at
36:14
Speaker 1: the house. The husband is at McDonald's and the old
36:17
Speaker 1: pair is in the home with the children in the basement.
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Speaker 2: I know I'm listening. I have a look on my
36:24
Speaker 2: face like this is psycho.
36:25
Speaker 1: So the man shows up to have this fetish thing
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Speaker 1: that he thinks he's just gonna do with this woman.
36:31
Speaker 2: He's a victim.
36:32
Speaker 1: He's a victim.
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Speaker 2: I don't right, and I.
36:35
Speaker 1: Don't know exactly what happens because this is to be determined.
36:37
Speaker 1: This is what the whole trial is about. Is then
36:41
Speaker 1: the wife ends up getting stabbed, and I believe that
36:43
Speaker 1: we think it's the husband that stabbed her.
36:45
Speaker 2: Like he shows up, right, he comes over this raper.
36:49
Speaker 1: Well he's not really, he's a fetish guy, Joseph traying.
36:56
Speaker 2: He comes over right, the old pairs in the basement
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Speaker 2: with the kids, and what does he do? He comes inside?
37:03
Speaker 1: Well, then I don't know exactly what happens because I
37:05
Speaker 1: no one was there except for these people, and obviously.
37:08
Speaker 2: They're all pair was there.
37:10
Speaker 1: Obviously we know the old pair shot him with a
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Speaker 1: gun and she killed him.
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Speaker 2: Okay, she had a firearm. Okay.
37:16
Speaker 1: The wife is stabbed in the neck and she dies
37:19
Speaker 1: from her injuries.
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Speaker 2: And do we know who stabbed her?
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Speaker 1: We believe the husband stabbed her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not this guy that signed up no to be killed?
37:28
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, And the husband had blood on his hands
37:32
Speaker 1: at the hospital later when he learned that his wife
37:35
Speaker 1: died from her injuries.
37:37
Speaker 2: So he comes to see his wife, supposedly to come
37:41
Speaker 2: see his wife. Yes, he cares because he's heartbroke and
37:43
Speaker 2: he's to wash his hands.
37:45
Speaker 1: No. Well, he comes to the hospital and his blood
37:47
Speaker 1: alliver his hands and he's crying, and the police officer
37:51
Speaker 1: at the hospital felt sorry for him and told him
37:54
Speaker 1: to go wash his hands before they took any blood
37:57
Speaker 1: sample analysis DNA anything from his hands.
38:00
Speaker 2: Did this police officer formerly work with Boston p D.
38:04
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but possibly.
38:06
Speaker 2: He's like, I've been here before. Wash your hands, dude.
38:08
Speaker 3: So wait, okay, so the police officer's testifying that that
38:12
Speaker 3: that took place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's testimony.
38:14
Speaker 3: That's how I know because that officer that said wash
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Speaker 3: your hands is all testifying that there was evidence on
38:19
Speaker 3: his hands.
38:19
Speaker 1: Right, that was not swabed from his hands.
38:21
Speaker 2: No. Right, that is terrible because they should have taken
38:23
Speaker 2: photos of him.
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Speaker 1: Too, exactly. So this is what the defense is.
38:27
Speaker 2: Right, man, say one more thing, even if he had
38:29
Speaker 2: no blood, I mean, if you're dead, I'm dead.
38:32
Speaker 3: Yes, if you're dead and it's foul play, yeah, and
38:36
Speaker 3: cops are like investing me and I have no blood
38:38
Speaker 3: on my hands, yeah, and no DNA in my nails
38:41
Speaker 3: and all that. I'm gonna be like take photos to
38:43
Speaker 3: show that I'm clean.
38:45
Speaker 1: Yeah. You should call an attorney too, and don't talk
38:50
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson. Call Alan Jackson if you didn't do it.
38:54
Speaker 1: If you did not do it, call Alan Jackson.
38:57
Speaker 2: She's dead now and I need representation. Right.
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Speaker 1: So, Banfield had purchased a firearm and allegedly trained Juliana
39:06
Speaker 1: to use it. Investigators say Joseph Ryan believed he was
39:09
Speaker 1: meeting Christine for consensual sex, but the profile was controlled
39:13
Speaker 1: by Brendan and Juliana the day of the murders. This
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Speaker 1: happened on February twenty fourth of twenty twenty three. Authorities
39:21
Speaker 1: alleged that Joseph Ryan was lured to the Banfield home.
39:24
Speaker 1: We talked about that under the guise of thinking that
39:26
Speaker 1: he was showing up for this consensual fetish.
39:28
Speaker 2: He thought he's gonna get lucky.
39:30
Speaker 1: Brendan allegedly turned off his wife's phone, waited at a
39:34
Speaker 1: nearby MacDonald's, then entered the home with Juliana and his
39:37
Speaker 1: four year old daughter. Joseph Ryan showed up to the
39:40
Speaker 1: home with restraints and a knife for what he believed
39:43
Speaker 1: was consensual role play.
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Speaker 3: This poor guy, it's like, Okay, go to Walmart, get
39:47
Speaker 3: a murder kit, yeah, and then come over and fulfill
39:50
Speaker 3: my santsy.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors said Brendan showed up to the house and shot Joseph,
39:55
Speaker 1: staging it like he saved his wife from a madman.
39:58
Speaker 1: Right Like, he shows up and he's like my wife
40:00
Speaker 1: being attacked and he shoots him and then stabbed his
40:04
Speaker 1: wife afterwards staging that as if Joseph had did that
40:07
Speaker 1: to her, and that's why he was staging here. And
40:09
Speaker 1: then when Joseph tried to move, Juliana shot him again.
40:11
Speaker 1: I guess he wasn't dead when the husband shot him
40:14
Speaker 1: the first time. He tried to move and then she
40:15
Speaker 1: shot him, so they both shot him, both allegedly shot him.
40:20
Speaker 1: Christine Banfield later died at the hospital from her injuries.
40:23
Speaker 1: I heard the nine to one one call, and then
40:25
Speaker 1: there's some bodycam footage, like when the police show up.
40:28
Speaker 1: It's chaotic. Can you imagine what the scene shows up?
40:30
Speaker 1: There's the O pair that's crying and screaming, there's the husband,
40:33
Speaker 1: there's a dead wife, and there's another man there.
40:35
Speaker 3: There's weapons and there's a knife, and cops come and
40:37
Speaker 3: they don't know who's who.
40:38
Speaker 2: No, are you a murderer or are you a victory? Right?
40:41
Speaker 1: And they pull her outside and they're trying to understand
40:43
Speaker 1: what's going on and they're talking to her and the
40:45
Speaker 1: husband's giving them a different story.
40:47
Speaker 2: And there's two dead right, we'll talk later.
40:50
Speaker 1: So it's it's chaotic. Can you imagine like the scene,
40:53
Speaker 1: how chaotic that is? Wow? So then this happened in
40:56
Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty three. Then in October of twenty
40:59
Speaker 1: twenty three, Juliana was arrested and initially charged with second
41:02
Speaker 1: degree murder.
41:03
Speaker 2: I took that long, huh.
41:04
Speaker 1: She later pleaded guilty to manslaughter and agreed to testify
41:08
Speaker 1: against Brendan, telling investigators that she had shot Joseph as directed.
41:13
Speaker 2: You know.
41:14
Speaker 1: Also, I don't know how much investigating they were doing
41:17
Speaker 1: after this chaotic scene and the wife dies and the
41:21
Speaker 1: man was there, But I did read that the investigators
41:26
Speaker 1: ended up going back to the home later after this
41:28
Speaker 1: incident occurred. I don't know if they were searching. I
41:31
Speaker 1: don't know if they were just going to talk to
41:32
Speaker 1: them again. But when they went into the home, this
41:36
Speaker 1: is what tipped them off. They go in the master bedroom,
41:38
Speaker 1: she had moved all of her clothes in, and all
41:41
Speaker 1: of the photos that used to be Brendan and his
41:43
Speaker 1: wife were all replaced in frames with him and the O.
41:46
Speaker 2: Pair Phase two photos.
41:50
Speaker 1: Right. So, I think that was the turning point in
41:54
Speaker 1: the investigation where they were like.
41:56
Speaker 2: The she he moved on quickly, He moved on quickly.
41:59
Speaker 1: She moved in, she moved her clothes in and she
42:01
Speaker 1: took all the photos of the woman out and put
42:03
Speaker 1: her photos in with him. So and allegedly now that
42:08
Speaker 1: she's talking right, because she took a plea deal. She
42:12
Speaker 1: has all this evidence of them dating and going out
42:15
Speaker 1: on dates, but she would always cover his face. She
42:17
Speaker 1: would post like snapchat and like going out on a
42:20
Speaker 1: date with her boyfriend, but she would always cover his face.
42:22
Speaker 1: But now she's saying, no, that you know that was
42:24
Speaker 1: that was him, Like we we went to bars and
42:27
Speaker 1: restaurants and we were dating and we were together.
42:31
Speaker 3: So it was too thinking when they sit down and
42:32
Speaker 3: they write up this plan. I don't know how many
42:35
Speaker 3: different versions did they have too, where they're.
42:37
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no, let's do uh.
42:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah no, no, make sure he brings a
42:42
Speaker 2: knife not a gun, and all these and then they
42:44
Speaker 2: thought then at one point they thought, yeah, this is good,
42:47
Speaker 2: this is good. We're going to get away with.
42:48
Speaker 1: It, and let's do it. Like where do you like?
42:51
Speaker 1: Where at what point do you think? I guess they didn't.
42:55
Speaker 1: There was never a point where they thought, this doesn't
42:58
Speaker 1: really sound like a great idea.
43:00
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I'd love to interview those people.
43:02
Speaker 2: Yeah I would that actually said I was going to
43:04
Speaker 2: murder my wife, and I planned it all and then
43:06
Speaker 2: I changed my mind. Yeah, you want to know what
43:10
Speaker 2: changed your mind.
43:11
Speaker 1: So then September to October of twenty twenty four, Banfield
43:14
Speaker 1: was arrested nearly two years after the killings, following a
43:17
Speaker 1: traffic stop. Prosecutors presented evidence of his romantic relationship with Juliana,
43:22
Speaker 1: photos from the home, and other materials indicating planning and
43:25
Speaker 1: execution of the murders. At the time, Banfield worked as
43:28
Speaker 1: an IRS Criminal Investigation Division agent. Then this this was
43:34
Speaker 1: last week, so January of twenty twenty six, Banfield's trial begins.
43:38
Speaker 1: He faces charges including aggravated murder, use of a firearm,
43:42
Speaker 1: and a felony child abuse and child.
43:45
Speaker 2: So she's not on trial anymore, like she was sentenced
43:47
Speaker 2: and everything.
43:47
Speaker 1: Well, no, she hasn't had her sentencing yet. Her sentencing
43:50
Speaker 1: is after his trial. But she's the star witness against him.
43:54
Speaker 2: But she's pled guilty and that's all accepted and everything.
43:56
Speaker 1: She got a plea deal. She pled guilty to manslaughter
43:59
Speaker 1: and that was accept and yes, so then she has
44:01
Speaker 1: to be sentenced. So now she's the star witness for
44:04
Speaker 1: the prosecution. Basically saying that he was the mastermind, and
44:09
Speaker 1: he controlled everything, and he made the fetish website and
44:12
Speaker 1: he did everything. Now, what it's going to come down to,
44:16
Speaker 1: because there's a jury of sixteen people that are hearing
44:19
Speaker 1: this trial, it's going to come down to do they
44:22
Speaker 1: believe her? Is she credible?
44:25
Speaker 2: Well? He he they killed her, yeah, but yes.
44:30
Speaker 1: But but the defense is going to say she's the mastermind.
44:34
Speaker 2: What I'm suggesting is he'll still be convicted of some
44:38
Speaker 2: level of homicide if he pulled the trigger.
44:42
Speaker 1: We don't know that, That's what I'm saying. No one
44:44
Speaker 1: knows exactly what happened in that house. You think he's
44:46
Speaker 1: a defense is going to say that he did pull
44:48
Speaker 1: the trigger. They're going to say she was the mastermind.
44:50
Speaker 1: She pulled the trigger. She stabbed him, Okay, and he
44:53
Speaker 1: was like.
44:55
Speaker 2: He and his wife was being attacked. Yeah, well that's
44:58
Speaker 2: far fetched because as they're out, well, I don't know,
45:02
Speaker 2: it'll it'll matter what kind of evidence there is, because
45:05
Speaker 2: you're right. I was about to say, well they have
45:07
Speaker 2: photos and they're out all the time, but it could
45:08
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, we're out all time, and I was
45:10
Speaker 2: an affair a level, right, And then she killed her
45:13
Speaker 2: and then she moved into my room.
45:15
Speaker 1: If she is not credible, that's going to put reasonable
45:18
Speaker 1: doubt in the minds of the jury. And you know
45:21
Speaker 1: you only need reasonable doubt too.
45:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also might see her like you, you're going
45:26
Speaker 2: to steer and be like, oh, yeah, some personian old
45:27
Speaker 2: pair of course he did it.
45:29
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. Also, the defense has claimed and it'll
45:36
Speaker 1: be interesting to see because they're they're putting on their
45:38
Speaker 1: case this week and we'll follow that. But they the
45:42
Speaker 1: defense attorney claims that they have digital evidence that's going
45:46
Speaker 1: to dispute what she says. Who cares, I know, but
45:50
Speaker 1: let's see what it is. I mean, what forensics do
45:52
Speaker 1: they have to dispute her claims. And that'll be interesting
45:55
Speaker 1: to see because the defense attorney says, people lie, but
45:58
Speaker 1: forensics don't lie.
46:00
Speaker 2: Yeah's hands, yes, but they didn't take they didn't swab it,
46:04
Speaker 2: so we can't get her DNA off of his hands
46:07
Speaker 2: at this point.
46:09
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to follow this case, that's for sure.
46:11
Speaker 1: So anyway, well, whose blood would it be?
46:14
Speaker 2: Maybe it was that, Well you need it again, he's
46:19
Speaker 2: I don't know.
46:20
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the defense, this is what the defense
46:22
Speaker 1: is going to do They're going to create reasonable doubt
46:25
Speaker 1: by by blasting her credibility. They're gonna paint her oh
46:29
Speaker 1: because also she was also having communications with producers talking
46:33
Speaker 1: about how she wants to make a you know, reality show,
46:36
Speaker 1: not a reality show, like sell her story, like you know,
46:41
Speaker 1: like a Hulu and special. I mean, this story, are
46:45
Speaker 1: you kidding? This story is made for TV? Like, this
46:46
Speaker 1: isn't going to be made into a documentary, a three
46:49
Speaker 1: part series, a lifetime movie. This, this story, this story
46:54
Speaker 1: is stranger than fiction. Like if someone wrote this story
46:58
Speaker 1: and gave it to someone, they'd be like, that's too
46:59
Speaker 1: far fet that would never happen.
47:02
Speaker 2: I did, but it did.
47:03
Speaker 1: So I'm saying she's already been caught having communications with
47:07
Speaker 1: media and media type outlets to sell her story. So
47:10
Speaker 1: I'm saying the defense is really going to focus on
47:12
Speaker 1: her credibility.
47:13
Speaker 2: Well that that would tend to lean more towards she's
47:17
Speaker 2: a mastermind.
47:18
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm saying they're going to try to create
47:20
Speaker 1: her as the mastermind that wanted to take the wife's place,
47:24
Speaker 1: and you know he's just this ding dong that just
47:27
Speaker 1: was having an affair. Right, So we will continue to
47:30
Speaker 1: follow the O pair affair because I'm highly invested and
47:34
Speaker 1: let me know, I want to know the women out there,
47:36
Speaker 1: like what your thoughts are on hiring an O pair.
47:39
Speaker 2: That's well one of the men's opinions.
47:42
Speaker 1: On other woman a twenty one year old oh pair
47:44
Speaker 1: that moves into your house and you know is Brazilian.
47:49
Speaker 2: So okay, you keep looking at me like I did
47:53
Speaker 2: something wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. Oh no, I
47:55
Speaker 2: just said, you keep looking. I didn't hire no bear.
47:58
Speaker 2: I don't take care of the kids, Missie. I know
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Speaker 2: we don't have no pair. We have a shame, all right. Guys,
48:03
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