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Legally Brunette: The Evil in Equestrianism · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I
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  Speaker 1: will be your host today, Emily Simpson with my husband's sidekick.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you are, what are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Shane's just Shane. Today we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: and this was a recommendation from you guys, which I
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  Speaker 1: truly truly appreciate. It is called the shooting at Hawthorne Hill,
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  Speaker 1: and I had not heard of it until you guys
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  Speaker 1: had DM me a few times and told me that
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  Speaker 1: we should discuss it. So we're going to discuss it.
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  Speaker 1: And actually I'm really happy that I started watching it
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  Speaker 1: and that we're going to discuss it because I kind
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  Speaker 1: of when I was growing up, we had horses, and
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  Speaker 1: I've ridden yourssage and so you know, I have a
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  Speaker 1: little insight into this horse world that we're about to
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  Speaker 1: delve into. Shane equestrian, the equestrian world. It's called drissage though,
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  Speaker 1: that's the type, that's the style of writing horseworld, Horseworld,
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  Speaker 1: equestrian world. And Shane knows a little because when we
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  Speaker 1: first got married.
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  Speaker 2: I I know that I know nothing about.
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  Speaker 1: Horses, but I had horses.
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  Speaker 3: I know that I don't know how to ride one,
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  Speaker 3: and I know that they're very expensive.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he does know that. What do they say the
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  Speaker 1: cheapest thing about buying a horse is buying a horse.
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  Speaker 3: Now the chief thing about owning a horse is buying
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  Speaker 3: a horse, right And your dad told me that after
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  Speaker 3: we bought a horse.
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  Speaker 1: Right anyway, all right, So Lauren Kannarak is the one
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  Speaker 1: of the main characters in this and she was a
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  Speaker 1: dressage rider. Let's just talk a little bit about dressage.
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  Speaker 1: If someone doesn't know, it is a style of riding.
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  Speaker 1: They when you watch the Olympics and they have riding
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  Speaker 1: equestrian in the Olympics, it's dressage and it's actually a
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  Speaker 1: form of it dates back thousands of years. It was
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  Speaker 1: when they trained horses to fight during battles. So horses
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  Speaker 1: learned that.
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  Speaker 3: I would never guess that by looking at a horse
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  Speaker 3: in drisage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they talk, they they train horses. This all comes
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  Speaker 1: from during battles when you would have horses in battle
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  Speaker 1: and the horses would learn how to, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: rear up to protect their rider, or they would learn
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  Speaker 1: how to sidestep to.
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  Speaker 3: This is the more like basically you had more control
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  Speaker 3: over your horse's actions and maneuvers. And then you could
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  Speaker 3: use it for anything you needed, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean originally it was to train horses how
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  Speaker 1: to protect riders during it.
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  Speaker 3: But now it's about dressing a certain way and looking proper. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: but it still was a posture on the horse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what they do in the Olympics is very
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  Speaker 1: very advanced. It's very very difficult, and there's a very
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  Speaker 1: very small percentage of people that can actually get to that.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: So Lauren Kannerak is a drissage rider who was shot
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  Speaker 1: twice in the chest by her trainer, who was an
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  Speaker 1: Olympic equestrian named Michael Barrisone. This was during a confrontation
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  Speaker 1: at his New Jersey equestrian farm in August of twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I actually did not hear about this
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  Speaker 1: when it occurred. It was it was pretty recent. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: did you have you ever heard of the story before? No?
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  Speaker 1: The two had developed a string an increasingly hostile relationship
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  Speaker 1: after Lauren began training with him in twenty eighteen, with
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  Speaker 1: both sides accusing each other of conflict and harassment. Lauren
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  Speaker 1: survived after an emergency surgery and several days in a coma.
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  Speaker 1: Michael was arrested in charged with attempted murder, with his
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  Speaker 1: trial resulting in a very surprising outcome. I was surprised
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  Speaker 1: by the outcome. Their story is documented and the Netflix's
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  Speaker 1: untold the shooting at Hawthorne Hill. I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: really interesting because well, first of all, he's interviewed in
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  Speaker 1: the documentary, so you can guess the outcome. He's not
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  Speaker 1: being interviewed from prison.
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  Speaker 2: So well, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes they have those shows where you don't know if
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  Speaker 3: they are aren't, and then like at the end, it
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  Speaker 3: kind of reveals that they're actually in an all and I.
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  Speaker 1: Kept thinking, Okay, maybe he's just dressed really nice and
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  Speaker 1: his hair looks good and it looks like he's in
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  Speaker 1: a living room, but maybe maybe he's not. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: well we'll get to that. We'll get to that. That
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  Speaker 1: is the ending, all right. So Lauren Canteract is an
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  Speaker 1: adult amateur trissage writer and she begins training with Olympic
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  Speaker 1: equestrian Michael Barrison at his New Jersey farm called Hawthorne Hill.
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  Speaker 1: Her father pays approximately five thousand per month for training
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  Speaker 1: and horse boarding.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in the father, how old is she.
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  Speaker 1: She's an adult. Here's the thing. Let me just tell
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  Speaker 1: you this. Let's just break this down. As soon as
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  Speaker 1: they start interviewing this woman, I disliked her immediately. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how anyone else out there feels. I actually
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  Speaker 1: got on Reddit to see if I was the only
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  Speaker 1: one that was like completely put off by this woman
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  Speaker 1: and her personality, and I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, but you were probably the quickest to be turned
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  Speaker 3: off by her personality.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I tell you, Okay, why do you
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  Speaker 2: not like her?
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  Speaker 1: I just immediate. I don't know. I feel like when
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  Speaker 1: you listen to someone, or you watch someone, or you
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation with someone, you immediately judge them and
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  Speaker 1: you get a sense of whether you like the person
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  Speaker 1: or not. The minute she starts talking, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot stand this woman. I think that she I didn't,
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  Speaker 1: I just she sounded. She talks about how people call
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  Speaker 1: her entire titled, but she's not entitled. Meanwhile, her dad,
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  Speaker 1: even though she's an adult, is also being interviewed talking
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  Speaker 1: about how he pays for her to have her three horses.
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  Speaker 3: She's entitled because he's paying for it. If she's demanding
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  Speaker 3: it insisting on it and thinking that she's well.
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  Speaker 2: They also titled.
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  Speaker 1: Well they're interviewing her, but they also show clips of
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  Speaker 1: her and her boyfriend is also came with her to
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  Speaker 1: stay while she's training her horses and riding every day,
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  Speaker 1: and she's just bossing the boyfriend around.
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  Speaker 2: Rob Get this.
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  Speaker 1: Pick this up for me. What are you doing? Rob?
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  Speaker 1: Get that? Where's the bridle? I mean it's They were
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  Speaker 1: smart to show the all the clips of her being
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  Speaker 1: demanding and difficult and anyway, so her father pays approximately
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  Speaker 1: five thousand a month for training and horse boarding, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I did not think was that expensive.
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  Speaker 1: I believe she has three horses there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, oh it's for lessons and boarding.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the five thousand is just for her training
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  Speaker 1: and for the boarding of the horses. Then she gets
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  Speaker 1: to live there for free. So let's go to early
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand nineteen. Lauren and Michael's relationship starts to deteriorate.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren reportedly becomes frustrated about limited direct training time with Michael.
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  Speaker 1: So Michael Barrison is the main guy, right, He's the
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  Speaker 1: one that's the Olympic rider, He's the one that is
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  Speaker 1: the name. But he also has some trainers that are
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  Speaker 1: below him. Why. I know, he has a girlfriend named
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  Speaker 1: Mary Haskins Gray, and then he also has another employee
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  Speaker 1: and those two are also trainers too. So I think
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  Speaker 1: what he does is he can sell the pitch that
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  Speaker 1: you're training with an Olympic trainer, right, But then I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you know the majority of the time you're training
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  Speaker 1: with people that are kind of below him.
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  Speaker 2: So that's sort of like a lawyer right there on
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  Speaker 2: the billboard and you call them and then they have
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  Speaker 2: people at work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Sweet James. Yeah, Like, if you ever called Sweet James,
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to pick up the phone. No, he's
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  Speaker 1: not going to answer be like hello.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not, But that doesn't discredit the firm. Now, if
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  Speaker 3: he's successful, and it's his integrity that he's now passing
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  Speaker 3: on to other people. So if this trainer is now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, guiding these mentees, I don't know if they
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  Speaker 3: are or whatever right on how to train, and it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of through him, then it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Lauren and Michael's employee and his girlfriend at the time,
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  Speaker 1: Mary Haskins Gray, do not get along. So Lauren doesn't
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  Speaker 1: get along with Michael's girlfriend, which causes even more attention.
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  Speaker 2: Which also says something right, Well.
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  Speaker 1: I just I think as far as I'm concerned, I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you since as soon as she opened her mouth,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she gets along with anyone. So then
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  Speaker 1: Lauren begins posting frequently on social media about Michael and
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  Speaker 1: his staff. It's they show. I mean they show at
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  Speaker 1: the end kind of in the trial. There were thousands
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of pages of her posts. This isn't like
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  Speaker 1: she just just degrading him, talking badly about him, talking
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  Speaker 1: about going to war with him. I mean, she's insane.
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  Speaker 2: She's crazy with her trainer.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, with her trainer, so I don't know she used.
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  Speaker 2: Then she continues to use her trainer.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, This is the part that makes no sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know the exact timeline, but it seems
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  Speaker 1: like pretty early on in this, in this contract, or
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  Speaker 1: however long she's going to be there, she starts getting
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  Speaker 1: really irritated. There was also some tension with a horse
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  Speaker 1: because Michael Barrisone had a very very expensive horse, like
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  Speaker 1: a Grand Prix horse that he rode in the Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: So you're talking about I don't know what the horse
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  Speaker 1: is worth, but I mean.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: I guess he allowed Lauren to ride the horse one
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  Speaker 1: time or something during a lesson, and then she was
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  Speaker 1: like then she was like, this horse is mine, this
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  Speaker 1: horse should be mine, and right, and then there's like
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  Speaker 1: some stalking as far as the horse is concerned. He
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  Speaker 1: he talks about how she would ride the horse when
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't allowed to ride the horse, and I felt like,
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  Speaker 1: not only what the girlfriend was their attention, but there
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  Speaker 1: was tension building with this very expensive Grand Prix horse
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  Speaker 1: that she's.
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  Speaker 2: With anyone at this place.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you I was
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  Speaker 1: not wrong. And my initial my initial thoughts and perception
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  Speaker 1: of her as soon as she started talking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how many people we think say that when they
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  Speaker 2: watch your confessionals.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: The second I saw her, I knew.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for the support. So Lauren begins posting frequently
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  Speaker 1: on social media about Michael and his staff. A July
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, twenty nineteen posts stated it's about time to
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  Speaker 1: possibly go to war. Anyone who repeatedly kicks a resting
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  Speaker 1: beast will eventually wake her up.
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  Speaker 2: She's the beast she's the beast.
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  Speaker 1: Another post from Lauren stated, I am not responsible for
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  Speaker 1: anything my other personalities do when I am threatened. I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you this is just a small sample.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting. That's an interesting defense. Yeah, that was not me,
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  Speaker 3: your honor, that was my other personality. You don't have
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  Speaker 3: jurisdiction over him.
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  Speaker 1: Michael claims that her posts on social media were threatening
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  Speaker 1: and contributed to stress and fear. So then we get
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  Speaker 1: to about mid twenty nineteen. First of all, how awkward
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  Speaker 1: is this. She lives at his property on site and
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  Speaker 1: she's training, but while she's training, she's posting, Yeah, defamatory,
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  Speaker 1: threatening type of posts about everyone at this barn.
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  Speaker 3: It's like all this time at night when you're in
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  Speaker 3: bed and I'm still upwake and then I get like
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  Speaker 3: little dings of like you know, like you send me
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  Speaker 3: a little cute videos. But he would get dings of
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  Speaker 3: the other person in the other room bashing him, right,
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's all.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it was going.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I never know when you starts telling personal stories,
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  Speaker 1: I started to get a little nervous.
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  Speaker 2: Well that says something, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're to mid twenty nineteen, everything is starting
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  Speaker 1: to escalate. Both parties are accusing each other of harassment
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  Speaker 1: and bullying. Allegedly, Michael is threatening to blackball Lauren from
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  Speaker 1: the sport. I don't know he makes. She claims that
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  Speaker 1: he makes some type of comment about how like he's
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  Speaker 1: been he's, you know, an Olympic writer and he's very well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, within this this society, and that he could you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, probably well probably say look at her Twitter account,
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  Speaker 3: look at all the posts. She says, don't deal with her.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably enough. How long has this relationship been going on, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I don't know. They don't give specifics. Well, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, I don't know how long the original contract was.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the contract was with.
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  Speaker 2: The dad about until the end whenever this crime occurs.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that she was there about a year, but
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  Speaker 1: there were multiple This is the part I also don't understand,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get to this a little bit more. But
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  Speaker 1: he ends up calling the police on her multiple times,
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  Speaker 1: and the police keeps saying it's a civil situation, not
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  Speaker 1: a criminal one, basically like you all need to figure
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  Speaker 1: this out yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, being mean as a civil situation.
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  Speaker 1: So the part that I don't understand is why he
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  Speaker 1: did not just ask give her thirty days notice.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I was gonna say. I wonder if, like
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  Speaker 3: the eviction laws are tough, or maybe he needed the money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I didn't understand that he they allude
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  Speaker 1: later to like his attorneys sending they call it fake.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you have this crazy lady and you're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be victor and her horses. Yeah, I mean that
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  Speaker 3: can't be easy.
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  Speaker 1: So Lauren starts to report Michael to Safe Sport, which
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  Speaker 1: is an independent, nonprofit organization created by Congress to prevent emotional, physical,
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  Speaker 1: and sexual abuse in the US Olympic and Paralympic movement.
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  Speaker 1: Police are called multiple times by Michael and the days
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  Speaker 1: leading up to this incident, and they claim there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: that they can do to help him. Lauren also contacts
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  Speaker 1: emergency services at least once. So you've got Michael calling
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  Speaker 1: the police and the police coming, and then you've got
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  Speaker 1: Lauren calling this organization called Safe Sport to.
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  Speaker 2: Call the police force. She's annoying me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's like, well, I think he makes claims
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't understand this part either, But he makes
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  Speaker 1: some claim that at nighttime he kept calling her a
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  Speaker 1: ninja and saying that like at night she was like
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  Speaker 1: up in the trees. And I didn't understand that he
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  Speaker 1: kept saying at nighttime, she's in the trees and she's
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  Speaker 1: a ninja. So I don't know, but she's so nutty
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  Speaker 1: that I thought, maybe weird.
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  Speaker 3: Is that, like he's in his bedrooment out the window
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  Speaker 3: he sees her in a tree.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, is that an analogy
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  Speaker 1: to something? Or is she literally dressed like a ninja,
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  Speaker 1: like stalking in.
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  Speaker 2: The tree dressed or not? That's impressive, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she also secretly recorded a lot of his conversations
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  Speaker 1: that he was having with his employees within the office
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  Speaker 1: at the barn.
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  Speaker 2: How did she do that?
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  Speaker 1: She slipped some recording device into his office in the
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  Speaker 1: barn and was recording a lot of his conversations.
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  Speaker 3: I think she might be in violation of her rental agreement.
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  Speaker 3: You would think so any civil rights right.
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  Speaker 1: So then in August seventh of two we get to
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, we get to the shooting incident. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I believe what escalates the shooting incident is so remember
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  Speaker 1: how Lauren called safe Sport and she was like making
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  Speaker 1: accusations against Michael that he was bullying her or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then she talks about how when she called safe Sport,
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  Speaker 1: they were asking if there were any miners on the property.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't say what she said. But when this incident occurs,
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  Speaker 1: the catalyst really is that CPS shows up at the
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  Speaker 1: barn because Michael then she on the property. Yes, because
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  Speaker 1: Michael's girlfriend that works for him, that's another writer and
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  Speaker 1: also a trainer at the barn, has children. They lived
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  Speaker 1: there as well, so obviously that'd right, so exactly, So obviously,
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  Speaker 1: when Lauren is having these conversations with safe Sport, she
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  Speaker 1: says in her interview that they were asking if there
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  Speaker 1: were miners on the property. I doubt that's the way
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  Speaker 1: the conversation went. I'm sure Lauren called and said there's
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  Speaker 1: miners on the property, and who knows what allegations she made. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: CPS ends up showing up at the barn in order
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  Speaker 1: to interview Mary about the kids. And so CPS goes
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  Speaker 1: into the office with Mary and at this point I
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  Speaker 1: think Michael's like losing his mind with this woman because
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  Speaker 1: now he has he's it's escalated beyond all the social
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  Speaker 1: media bowling at the barn. What should he do?
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  Speaker 2: Kill her?
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  Speaker 3: I was being sarcastic. He clearly should not kill her.
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  Speaker 1: Well, clearly he should not, but it is a crime.
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  Speaker 1: So August seventh of twenty nineteen is the actual shooting incident.
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  Speaker 1: Michael confronts Lauren and Rob at the farmhouse they're staying
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  Speaker 1: at on his property. I remember I told you they're
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  Speaker 1: staying in the farmhouse, but it's a ways from the bar.
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  Speaker 2: We're in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: We're at this beautiful training equestrian facility in your wife
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  Speaker 1: to do white swap in Neutrak to this place.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe because you were in a place that's a horse, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But it was not a training facility, a questrian training facility.
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  Speaker 2: There was one horses.
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  Speaker 1: No, there was a horse in the backyard, and some
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  Speaker 1: pigs and no one pig, and a lot of chickens
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  Speaker 1: and a lot and some goats.
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  Speaker 2: And drive him crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he didn't shoot me while I was there. I
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  Speaker 1: was only there a week, so there was no incidents.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know if I could if I stayed
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  Speaker 1: a full year, I don't know. You probably it probably
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  Speaker 1: would have been an incident.
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  Speaker 2: A different story.
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  Speaker 1: So Michael confronts Lauren and Rob at the farmhouse, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: remember what his state of mind is. CPS has shown up.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: There's allegations of some type of something. He's been dealing
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: with this woman. She's been posting NonStop on social media.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: He's armed with a nine millimeter handgun that belonged to
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a friend of his who was visiting at the time.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: There was another woman there I believe her name.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Was Ruth, and she was a writer. She a visitor.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Well here he says during his interview that he knew
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Ruth always had a nine millimeter handgun. And he says
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: that he asks.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Ruth, do you have that nine mill for writing lessons?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: And has her Yeah, she brings her nine holding gun,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: has a pink gun. Also, this is trissage. She writes
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: trissage at this bar. And her name's Ruth, who's a
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: older lady. He claims in the interview that he knew
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Ruth has a nine millimeter that she always carries on
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: her And he said, do you have your gun and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: she said yes, I guess she always keeps it in
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: her car. And he said, no, don't keep it in
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: your car. You need to put it in the safe
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: in his office.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to let me hold it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So she takes the gun out of her car
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: puts it in his safe in his office. So, I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: don't know what you want to do with that fact,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: if that's premeditation, whatever you want to think.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Of course it is.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe how long has she been going there with her
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: pink gun? And he never once said put it in
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: the safe.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Right, but this time he asked her to put it
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: in the safe. So that's the gun that he uses.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So he's armed with a nine millimeter handgun that belonged
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to his friend. Lauren Canterac is shot twice in the chest.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Her boyfriend Rob is shot once, so he shoots both
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of them. He shoots her twice in the chest and Rob.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Despite her injuries, Lauren manages to call nine one one.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Police arrive and find Lauren critically injured on the ground
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and Rob is actually on top. I don't know. He
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: must have shot Rob somewhere. That didn't do much because
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Rob is the one that's restraining him. He actually manages
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: struggle with him, get him down to the ground. He's
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: like laying on top of him, and then the gun
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: is laying.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Near Michael wrestling match, and then she goes and calls
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: nine one one.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Well, she's laying on the ground, so she must have
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: just had her phone. Yeah, she rob the boyfriend and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: manages to get on top of Michael and wrestle him
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: down and hold him down, pin him down. And then
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the gun's laying on the ground.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: The pink gun.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: The pink gun. Yes. So police arrive and find Lauren
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: critically injured on the ground, rob restraining Michael barrisone and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the gun is laying near Michael's hand. August of twenty nineteen,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: We're still here. Lauren is rushed to the hospital and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: undergoes emergency surgery. She remains in critical condition and is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: placed in a coma for four days. She ends up
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: surviving the shooting, even though she was shot in the chest.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing to get shot in the chest. I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: don't know how far away he was when he shot her.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was six feet back or
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: three feet back, or you know, like point blank, like
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: right up to her. I don't know the details of that.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like they didn't really go into that, but
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: they do show a body cam footage of when the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: police arrived.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And as it look like when they arrived.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Well when they arrived, they kind of pull him over
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to the side and he's just kind of sitting on
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the ground, and you know, he's all disheveled. And it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: showed her just in the hospital with tubes and everything.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: And so did she go back to posting once she
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: woke up?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she probably probably did, so sit I had a.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Post about you thought I was crazy? It's him.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So we're still in August of twenty nineteen, and Michael
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is arrested the day after the shooting. He is charged
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: with two counts of first degree attempted murder and weapons related.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Charges, namely handling a pink gun.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Handling a pink gun. Michael remains in jail for over
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: two years while he awaits trial.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Dude, that sucks.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: This is twenty nineteen.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: She drove him so crazy and he made the wrong choice.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not defending that at all, that she drove him
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: so crazy and he put up with it and then
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: he just lost it and now his whole life has
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: pivoted for the worst. I mean, that guy's never gonna
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: be Olympics again.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: For one.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, not really, but I mean he's never gonna
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: be able to participate in it in any way. I mean,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: his whole life has changed because ladies see what women
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: can do.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: They can.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Literally Yeah, I mean I in no way am I
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: defending his actions, but he had so many choices kick
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: her out, cut her off.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I do not shoot.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Her shooter, you know, I do, remember, I do believe.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: In her interviews, she did say that the reason why
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: she was not leaving the property was because she had
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: three horses there, and that he had done that. Michael
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: had contacted other equestrian barns or other people within the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: industry and blacklisted her so that there wasn't anywhere she
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: could take her horse.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I was dumb of him because he was stuck with her.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I believe that if.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He had done that, that would have been Actually, that's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: so stupid. He wouldn't have done that. He would have
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: sold this lady. He would have been like, oh she's great, yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: right in a month, take her right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know if I believe that. I believe
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that was an excuse that she used as to why
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: she wasn't.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Almost like he bullied her, right like that he wanted
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: me he and he's trapping me and he's bullying me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I think she enjoyed driving this man to just
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the point of insanity, and she knew she did, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: she knew she was doing it. Well, I think she
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: is very entitled. Like we talked about earlier, I think
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that she wanted to be there. I think she felt
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: like she needed and her horses were, you know, spectacular,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and she was going to be an Olympic rider and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: this is the way she was going to do it,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and she was going to bully her way through it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And she didn't want to leave because I'm telling you,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: if that was me and I had three horses, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: would figure out what to do with my horses. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: would You could figure it out. And she has a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: dad who's monetarily supporting her lifestyle in her goal.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: She stayed for a reason, right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Because I think she enjoyed bullying him. I think she
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: took joy out of driving this man too of insanity.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't know the JP Morgan case, do you?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: No?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You don't know that JP Morgan lady.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Last week she uh, well, she had a like an
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: assistant of some kind.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know his title.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I think she was pretty high up and she had
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: a male assistant, and he's alleged that she's been harassing him,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: abusing him in the workplace, like.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Sexually or just but yes, yeah, like very much.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Like these detailed accounts of what she's doing to him
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: and the comments she makes to him. You read it
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and you're just like jaw dropping. So and then it
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: turned out it was fake.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: He made it all up.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Well, at least that's the story that's going around now. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: and he's there's because I think the texts and things
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: have been uncovered to show that it's faked. And he's
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: been trying to harass do it to other people anyway,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: but this one was real. Yes, this is a lady
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: that really did harass him. Yes, absolutely, because it's unusual
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: for this one. It'd be more likely that he would
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: be dominant, exercising dominance over her right and bullying her
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: and pushing her around, right, and being the one in
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: control because one, he's the trainer also.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And he's an Olympic trainer and it's his property right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So the trial lasts approximately three weeks. Michael hires. He
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't go with the public defender. He hires a very
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: well known, expensive defense.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Attorney, again showing the father had money.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about Michael.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: His name is Michael.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: He's good. Good for Michael, Yes, good for Michael.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Michael claims he does not remember the shooting, and his
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: defense argues that he was temporarily insane at the time
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of the incident. So that's what the defense goes with.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: They're going with he probably was. They're going with insanity.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And I don't remember what this drove him. I don't
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: remember what the statistic was. I think they said it
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: during the documentary, but something like less than one percent
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of cases actually end up where that works like the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: like the the defense of insanity is actually I've talked
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: about this sport the Battered Woman syndrome.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: It was the Burning House, the Burning Bed with Farafaucet.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: You don't remember that movie, No, it's like straight to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: TV movie. Yeah, pharafacet based on a true story though,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that she was living with an abusive male. I don't
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: remember if it was the father of her children or not,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: but she had several children and he was so abusive
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: towards her she couldn't get out of the situation right,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: because he would kill her and he would trap her
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: and all these things that she waited for him to
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: come home drunk, and then she poured and he passed
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: out in bed, and then she poured gasoline all around
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: him and set it on fire and grabbed the children
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and left, and then she she was the I believe,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the first case where it was battered Windham syndrome defense
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: battered woman just yeah, syndrome defense, where it's it's the
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: only way out. The only way for me to survive
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: with my children was to kill him, like that was
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: my only hope for survival.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: So what was the outcome?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: What was success for her? And I don't remember. I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: know it's evolved since then.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: She must have had well established documentation.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Of all of these, I think, so yeah, I mean
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I have to go back and relive the story and watch.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It in all But okay, so that's his defense is temporary.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Inside far of faucet.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, back to Michael barrisone. He is now on trial
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and the defense is claiming temporary insanity. At the time
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of the incident, it sounded like that temporary Well, it's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: basically the argument that he's not normally inside.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Now it's like, I'm insane during this moment, so they'll
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: hold me accountable.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But I'm fine. Now, well he wasn't.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and this is I really honestly didn't
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: understand this part. So if anyone has any further information
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: or any other thoughts on this, let me know, because
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I'm on what. So he pleads temporary insanity. They show
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the court, they show the trial. He shows up at
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the trial looking like a dranged lunatic. I don't know
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: if his defense attorney told yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah he did. Isn't that what they do?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Like They're like, oh, like if it's a female killer, right,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: They're like, put your put these reading glasses on, put
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: your hair in a bun. Right, we're a little you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: collared shirt and button it all the way up, right.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: So they told him, look like a look like you're insane.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. So but the thing is the defense is temporary insanity.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That's why I don't like it.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So it's temporary insanity, meaning that he was only insane
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: in that moment that she drove him to insanity, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of course he was insane, he's not responsible for his
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: actions because he was temporarily insane. When he shot her. Then,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you know, two years later, because he's in jail, right,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he's waiting.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: His trial, still looks insane.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm saying, two years later he shows up
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: for trial and he looks like a deranged lunatic.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Well, because if he was in a three piece suit
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: and all clean cut, it wouldn't have worked.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, So he let me just tell you what he
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: looks like. So he shows up in court. His hair
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is long and disheveled, his eyes are like wide open,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and he's like shaking. He's you know, and he like
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: looks like he doesn't know where he is, and his
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: like shirts kind of disheveled. And this is what he
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: looks like the entire time. Like it was very theatrically.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: It was very theatrical.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: What she look like?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: She looks like the same entitled what.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Does she look like? Normally?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Well, are you asking me if she's a true I'm asking.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: You to judge her, yes, judge her appearance or describe
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: her appearance.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, she's young. I don't know
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: how old she she looks like she's probably in her thirties,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and she's blonde. And I would say she's.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, she's yeah, there's nothing unique about it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me because her personality is so horrific.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to get past that, to get
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: past that. Yes, all right, So Michael appears to be
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: mentally unstable at the time of his trial.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: How do you look when he wasn't temporarily insane? I mean,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: did he look like a put together man? Okay, well
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: in the doses, so in.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: The documentary they're interviewing him, and he looks he's a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he's a handsome man.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He's put together together. He has a button down on it, intelligent.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he speaks well, he's you know, his hair's nice,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: he has a nice outfit on. He looks not insane
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: at least not. No, he's temporarily insane. Apparently the temporary
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: insanity only lasted for the shooting and then the trial.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid you're going to learn from this.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: You're just going to plead temporary insanity like every day.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Michael appears to be mentally unstable at the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: time of his trial. Many people believe it was an
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: elaborate performance. You know, obviously his defense attorney. I mean,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: he has a very expensive high power defense attorney. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: would assume it was at his direction that he said, Look,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: if we're going for a temporary insanity and we want
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the jury to buy that you are temporarily insane, you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: need to look insane in court, like for the jury
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to buy it, they have to look at you and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: think you're nuts. And so he shows up to court
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and he looks he looks nuts.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I overdid it though it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Sounds like I thought it looked strange. But then I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: also understand. I understand that if he did show up
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: looking well put together, with like you said, an expensive
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: suit and his hair cut, looking like a normal a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: normal guy, you know, a well kept, well dressed man's,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: then it's hard for the jury to picture him as insane.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So he gave them the visual that they needed. So
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the prosecution centered on the argument that Michael was sane, deliberate,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and acting with clear intent to kill. Again, I'm sure
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you know. We talked about the gun. We talked about
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: how he asked Ruth to take the gun out of
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the car and put it in the safe. He knew
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: where the gun was, he got the gun. He also
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it was along like I said, from where the gun
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was at the barn and a right, there's a lot
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of time. There's a cooling off period. Right, that's a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: time for you to have a gun in hand and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: then travel to where she is located. And at no
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: point in time did he say, you know what, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't shoot this woman. This isn't the way to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: solve it. But he didn't. Twenty twenty two, the verdict
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: comes out. The jury deliberates for four days.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Wait, how long is he in jail now this whole time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Well, he was in jail. It was two years, over
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: two years, so they.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Didn't release him. He didn't get out on bail or anything.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: No, he was in jail for over two years awaiting trial,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: so he was never released on bail.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, then maybe he did look like that because
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: he was in jail for two years.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Well he wasn't jail for two all. I know.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Maybe, yeah, but you're saying is insanity.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess jail could do that to you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: If I was in jail, I probably my hair would
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: probably be a mess, Yeah, because.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't get your big gulps and you're you're in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and out, so you would be a mess.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have you telling me you need a haircut
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: right every day exactly.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: The jury deliberates for four days and Michael is found
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of insanity.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Wow, that that verdict is insane, right, horror.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Here's here's what the I play work. Yeah, here's the thing. Yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I no matter what my disdain is for Lauren, the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: jury got it wrong. You cannot well.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he has no punishment of any kind. He
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: is Scott free.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, because he's found not guilty by reason of insanity.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Michael is committed to a psychiatric hospital immediately after the verdict. However,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he remained under psychiatric care for one year before being
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: deemed mentally stable and released back into the pologic So
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in November of twenty twenty three, he was released from
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the psychiatric hospitalities back to his regular life.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: He'll never have a regular life, Yeah, I mean would
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you would you want to train with him?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: No?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Because you might say the wrong thing, right, and then
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: he will well shoot you.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people at the barn and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in that equestrian of a Yeah,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: because I believe when they showed the trial and they
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: showed the verdict. There were a lot of people that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: were very supportive of him. I think they had known him,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: they'd known who he was. I think they really did
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: believe that she was so awful that she pushed him
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: to that point that normally would have never happened.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Well, she was doing it online right now.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: However, you know, I don't know. I still am under
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm still under the belief that even though she was
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: awful and horrible, and I believe she harassed him and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: she did terrible things to him, and she was a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: bully and she was awful, you can't the jury got
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: it wrong. I mean he should have been there should
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: have been some type of punitive something punitive for him.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You cannot. You can't pick up a gun and shoot
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: someone on you.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: You might do it again if you're temporarily insane, which
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I acgreate that is right. But
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: let's say someone is temporarily insane, Well, then they can
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: become insane again and shoot someone again, right, or someone
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: in the face and they fall down and crack their head.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Right. So on December fifteenth of twenty twenty five, Michael
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Barrisone's status and the US Center for Safe Sports database
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was updated to permanently ineligible because of sexual harassment, emotional misconduct,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and violating the US Equestrian Federation policies and bylaws. Lauren
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Cannarak continues riding horses and remains involved in the sport.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: She also is still in a relationship with Rob Goodwin.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: So Michael Barrison's no longer eligible to participate in the Olympics.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He can't ride in the Olympics anymore.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: That's an Olympic thing, right, right, Wait a minute. Does
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: he have a clean record?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: No, he has something on his record, right to miss
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that part. No, he doesn't, not even the handling of
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: firearms or nothing.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: He had no felonies of any kind on his record.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Now, the only thing was that he was that they
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: talked about was that he was found not guilty by
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: reason of insanity. So he was found not guilty for all.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, my question is what did they base banning
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: him from the Olympics on it? Because it might be like, oh,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: you have a felony, and anyone if a violent felony
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: camp be on you know, like that, But in this case,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: what is it?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: After the trial, what happened was there were two other
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: miners like females that came forward and said that he
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: had sexually harassed them, and he ends up banned from
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the sport because of that. But I think there was
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Of people but highlighted because he was in the media
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and stuff that made those those girls come out.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Well, A lot of people think it was at the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: direction of Lauren too, that she possibly was that as well,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: because I think there were a lot of people in
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the industry and the equestrian world that knew him and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: knew him for many years that thought that that was
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: never something that he would have done, and it seemed
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's suspect right that all the.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Same she might have she might have glorified something, right,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: they said, oh, yeah, he he did asked me on
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a date once, and then she just pushed it in
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: that direction and got report it right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: So that's I assume that. I'm sure he's appealing that decision.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some type of appeals process, So I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how I feel about it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like, on one hand, I'm I'm sad for
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: this man because I think she just harassed him.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: To know aw, it's sad for someone doesn't mean what
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: they did was right. She'll say right, I do.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I feel badly for him. I feel badly that he's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: banned from the sport that he is the top end.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I feel horrible that he had to endure this woman
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and her her her bullying and harassment and all the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: things she did and all the things she posted, you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And as someone that's in the public eye, you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you couldn't have a thick skin for so long, but
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it does get to you. I mean, there's so much
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that you can take, and there are times when it's overwhelming,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you know, especially you know you can and Shane says
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it to me all the time. You know, what do
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you care that Judy and Oklahoma said something you know
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: nasty about you? But it ends up when there's so
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: many Judies in Oklahoma, I think.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like if a tree falls in the
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: forest and no one's there to hear, it doesn't make
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: a sound kind of thing. So it's like, if you
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: don't read it, it doesn't exist, right, but you insist on reading.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It, so it exists.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I really don't, well, do you know Two weeks ago,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Memory storage Wars I know you've seen that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I saw someone.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guy Darryl Sheets.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: He committed suicide because he had been bullied online for
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: so long. People were I don't know if people, someone
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: at least was taking his name, using his identity, claiming
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, like sexual things and whatever.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: And a lot of his co workers and colleagues from
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the show and elsewhere were saying that he had been
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: complaining about it for years, that someone's like, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: attacking him right directly and indirectly, and it drove him
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to the point of, you know.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: He shot himself.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: That's awful.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I mean a sixty seven. He had two young, relatively
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: young boys. They weren't minors, but young. He was like
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: a family Everyone described him as a family man. All
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: he cared about with his boys and his wife. Like
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: he didn't really do much more than that. And but
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: he couldn't take it anymore, even communicating with everyone, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: they probably sympathize with him, and let reminded him that no,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: you're legit, like you're okay, like you're loved. This doesn't
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: define you. I'm sure they said all these things. It
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: didn't matter.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: He took his own life.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you have to be really careful. This
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: is my PSA for this episode. We're going to end it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people out there use social media
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: as a way to attack people. And at the end
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of the day, we're all just humans and moms and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: dads and we're all just trying to do the best
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: we can. And you know, it really is it really
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: is difficult sometimes when you have a lot of people
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: attacking you just because they see something on TV.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And it's hard and it's not a license to attack, right.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I always say you can't judge what you see on
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the show, because that's the whole point of the show.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: You watch it, you'm an opinion, you agree, disagree, you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: learn something, you know, whatever it is. But then when
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: they start going personal, now they're just like, you're a
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: horrible human being. Right in this case, they Darrel Sheets,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: they took his identity and they use it and they
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: abuse it and they mock him, and it's like it's
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: not a free for all.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Right, all right, Well, thank you again for the recommendation.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I thought this was a really interesting story. And again,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: if you want to watch it, it's on Netflix and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: it's called The shooting at Hawthorne Hill. If you have
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: any thoughts or you know any more information on it,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: please DM me. I always like to hear your thoughts
• 39:21
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• 39:24
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• 39:26
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• 39:35
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• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you,