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Katie Woolf spoke with Territory Alliance Secretary Danial Kelly · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Yesterday we spoke to Robin Lamley about her future with
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  Speaker 1: Territory Alliance and she really wasn't sure if she was
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  Speaker 1: going to stay with the party. That wasn't about nine
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  Speaker 1: p thirty now. By eleven o'clock yesterday she'd quit the party,
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  Speaker 1: but they'd also issued a letter expelling her from the party,
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  Speaker 1: and Robin, as we know, is now an independent again.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me on the line to talk more about this
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  Speaker 1: is Territory Alliance's secretary, Daniel Kelly. Good morning to you, Daniel.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Daniel.
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  Speaker 1: What happened yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday nine thirty nine am. I sent Robin a letter
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  Speaker 2: outlining that the members of the Management Committee considered her
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  Speaker 2: behavior of the last six months or they'reabout to be
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  Speaker 2: inconsistent with the constitution and the culture of Territory Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: We afforded her an opportunity to make her case this
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night as to why you know that our assessment
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  Speaker 2: might be wrong and why she should stay in the party.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of hours after I sent that to her,
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  Speaker 2: she responded in the same medium by saying that she resigned.
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  Speaker 1: About nine point thirty nine yesterday. I think that was
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  Speaker 1: just about when she was on air with us. Was
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  Speaker 1: it something that she'd see What was that? Was it
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  Speaker 1: something that she'd said?
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  Speaker 2: There was no one thing that is There's been a
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  Speaker 2: number of things that Robin hasn't been consistent with in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the party over many months. I'm sorry I
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  Speaker 2: didn't hear Robin on your show yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. Why wasn't she suitable for you know? Why
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  Speaker 1: was it a situation where you felt as though she'd,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she'd been inconsistent and hadn't sort of been
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  Speaker 1: in line with what the party stood for.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's there's obviously I can't go through everything, but
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  Speaker 2: I can give you a couple of examples. One is,
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the constitution. Our constitution is really clear
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the process that we agree to be
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  Speaker 2: bound by ourselves as members of the party to make politics.
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  Speaker 2: It's really clear. It involves the members all having a
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  Speaker 2: stay and Robin, along with others some others, completely disregarded
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  Speaker 2: that process in the election period. So that's one. The
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  Speaker 2: simple thing is, but the rule of the constitution, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be part of the party, you follow
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  Speaker 2: those rules, and if you don't follow those rules, then
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  Speaker 2: maybe you're just not suitable for the party and we
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  Speaker 2: find another party. The other one is Territory Alliances is
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  Speaker 2: genuinely about reforming politics. We really are focused on integrity,
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  Speaker 2: on transparency, on law, honesty, and to do that at
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  Speaker 2: a grassroots level, you need to have a genuine team approach.
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  Speaker 2: And Robin set herself she's alone wolf and she struggles
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  Speaker 2: to be part of a team. And her actions prove that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you said at the start of that comment
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  Speaker 1: that Robin and others, you know, I didn't do what
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  Speaker 1: they were supposed to do when it came to some
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  Speaker 1: of the policy settings. Who were the others.
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  Speaker 2: It's not for me to name all the other people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about Robin today, and actually the
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  Speaker 2: other people who went along with that line are no
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  Speaker 2: longer active.
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  Speaker 1: Does it relate though, to the decision on fracking.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. Know, everyone thinks that there's some big
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  Speaker 2: split in the party about fracking, but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it just seemed to be the It just
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be the thing that you know, that really
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  Speaker 1: kind of demonstrated to a lot of Territorians that they
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  Speaker 1: weren't sure exactly what Territory Alliance stood for I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that's because Terry had trouble delivering that with conviction.
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  Speaker 2: Terry was the own candidate who really wasn't behind that
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  Speaker 2: stance on fracking, and it wasn't completely sold on it,
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  Speaker 2: and he said that himself, so he struggled to really
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  Speaker 2: deliver that well. But actually everyone else is you know,
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  Speaker 2: shares that same view. We just think that we can.
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  Speaker 1: Be locking the band fracking view.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our approaches. This is our home. We want to
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  Speaker 2: look after it. We can have a much smarter approach.
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  Speaker 2: We can, we can, And the economic side of the
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  Speaker 2: of the fracking industry just doesn't stack up. So why
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  Speaker 2: go into what take on huge risks with our environment?
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  Speaker 2: For projected income that's you know, tiny, like about if
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  Speaker 2: everything goes well, it's expected to perhaps contribute to one
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  Speaker 2: percent of the territory's economy. So it's not the sort
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  Speaker 2: of risk that's worthwhile good for good government.
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  Speaker 1: You did say though, that that Robin maybe wasn't you
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  Speaker 1: know the right person for the party. Was she Terry's pick?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? And Terry one Robin no?
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  Speaker 1: And is Terry going to stay part of the part.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's up to Terry.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys want him? Do you guys want him.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry you dropped out again. I've been in communication with Terry,
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  Speaker 2: but I haven't met him in person for a while.
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  Speaker 1: That's unusual to hear. I mean, I got the impression
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  Speaker 1: that you guys are on the same page certainly with
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  Speaker 1: the setting up of the party and you know the
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  Speaker 1: way in which it would operate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we certainly were to start with, but as the
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  Speaker 2: as the election campaign went on, in my opinion is
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  Speaker 2: that Terry went quite a far away off where we
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  Speaker 2: said that we were going as a party.
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  Speaker 1: In what way?
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  Speaker 2: Well, some of the ways that I've mentioned that related
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  Speaker 2: to Robin as well, ignoring the policy process, genuinely embracing
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  Speaker 2: the values of the party, being open to you know,
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  Speaker 2: raw honesty rather than trying to do political spin on stories.
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  Speaker 1: Was it some of those? Was it also some of
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  Speaker 1: those I mean decisions about the ways in which you
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  Speaker 1: would campaign. I guess from an outsider's perspective, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people saw it as a little bit strange the
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  Speaker 1: way that then you know, very well known political you know,
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  Speaker 1: political strategists like Delia Lorri and and others had joined
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  Speaker 1: the party. Was that something that you guys and the
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  Speaker 1: root and branch of the party wanted. No, it wasn't so,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, was that part of of of where things
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  Speaker 1: fell apart? Do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? I do think that was it.
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  Speaker 1: That appointment of of Delia lor Oh that.
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  Speaker 2: There's only one of a number of things that departed
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  Speaker 2: from the ethos of Chitory alliance.
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  Speaker 1: Goodness, mate, I mean it sounds as though you guys
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  Speaker 1: have sort of gone back and done some real soul searching.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the last couple of months, our focus has actually
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  Speaker 2: been on meeting all of reporting obligations to the Electoral Commission.
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  Speaker 2: They're quite onerous and with our treasurer has just done
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  Speaker 2: the most stirring job, has stood up to enormous demands
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  Speaker 2: on him and it's just been incredible to see someone,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pull together such a massive amount of data,
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  Speaker 2: completely accurate, transparent and non time and so on. And
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  Speaker 2: that's been our focus the last couple of months because
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  Speaker 2: there's time deadlines that you need to meet for that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, in between, yeah, we've caught up informally spoken
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  Speaker 2: with various members, people who run as candidates. Basically we've
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  Speaker 2: been asking this, you know, the questions, what do we
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  Speaker 2: do next? There's too much interest to just wind it up.
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  Speaker 2: We thought, well, you know, maybe that was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a short term experiment, but too many people have said
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  Speaker 2: to us, we want to keep going. We've got people
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  Speaker 2: that are you know, across the political spectrum, that are
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  Speaker 2: that are really heavily invested. We've got current union members,
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  Speaker 2: we've got significant business people that are all involved in
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  Speaker 2: regular mums and dad that have never been involved in
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  Speaker 2: politics before.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess so, you know, from a media perspective
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  Speaker 1: and from the public's perspective, it did seem like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it was being driven by Terry Mills. I know,
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  Speaker 1: even looking back at some of the political donations and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, he had obviously contributed, from what I've seen,
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  Speaker 1: quite a substantial amount of his own money personally. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, from your perspective and from the party's perspective,
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  Speaker 1: do you feel as though it was Terry's fault that
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  Speaker 1: you guys lost the election.
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  Speaker 2: You know, no one is going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: give her an honest and accurate answer as to why
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  Speaker 2: we lost the election. And you know, you can look
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  Speaker 2: at this as a glass half full or a glass
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  Speaker 2: half empty sort of thing. Of course, we only got
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  Speaker 2: one MLA and that was Robin and she's now out.
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  Speaker 2: But we also got more than twenty percent of the
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  Speaker 2: vote in the majority of the seats that we ran
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  Speaker 2: in in fifteen seats, now twenty percent of the vote.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot more than you know what
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  Speaker 2: any of the other smaller parties normally get something like
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  Speaker 2: three or four times as much as what the Greens got.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the first time that we had to
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  Speaker 2: go at it. So what we see is that there's
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  Speaker 2: still a very large appetite for a genuine, honest, grassroots
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  Speaker 2: type of party that gives Territorians a choice, you know,
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  Speaker 2: an option that's not Labor, it's not CLP, that's genuinely
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  Speaker 2: out or Territori ins and out.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel, we are going to have to wrap up. But
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  Speaker 1: I tell you, reading between the lines, it sounds as
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  Speaker 1: though you know from from what I'm hearing from you,
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  Speaker 1: that you and the Party Territory Alliance want to go
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  Speaker 1: back to that grassroots don't necessarily want to have recycled politicians.
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  Speaker 1: Is Terry Mills part of the party. Is he still
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  Speaker 1: the leader?
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  Speaker 2: He's not the leader by understanding, he's still a member
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  Speaker 2: of the party. But you're absolutely right about the grassroots.
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  Speaker 2: That's our plan where we've got a meeting on tonight
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  Speaker 2: and one of the agenda items is putting out a
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  Speaker 2: schedule of grassroots activities. We'll have a boxing day cricket
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  Speaker 2: match somewhere around Darwen, so everyone's welcome to join us.
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  Speaker 1: We might hear more about that as it gets closer.
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  Speaker 1: Who is the leader at the moment?
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  Speaker 2: Currently, the president's position in the party is vacant. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be having a management committee meeting soon to resolve that.
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  Speaker 2: But the other positions are full and we function as
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  Speaker 2: a team. The president only has one vote. He's one
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  Speaker 2: or she's one person. Yep, it's really a team approach
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  Speaker 2: in territory life.
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  Speaker 1: And sorry, Daniel, we are very pressed. We are very
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  Speaker 1: pressed for time, but I do just want to ask
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  Speaker 1: you very quickly. Is Delia Laurie still part of the party. No,
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  Speaker 1: she was never part of the What about Jeff Collins?
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  Speaker 2: No, Jeff's not part of the party.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that James Lantry did a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the campaigning for you guys. Is he still part of
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  Speaker 1: the party.
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  Speaker 2: He was never part of the party.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Well, sounds like we'll catch
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  Speaker 1: up again soon. I Reckon. Daniel, welcome, Thank you, appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your time this morning. Daniel Kelly there, Thanks Daniel. That's
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Kelly there, the Secretary of Territory Alliance. Goodness me.
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  Speaker 1: Fairly explosive there. It seems as though, yeah, Territory Alliances,
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  Speaker 1: things have well and truly changed. I'll let you read
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  Speaker 1: between those lines and let us know what you think.
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  Speaker 1: Eight nine four one one four nine