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T.T.O.R. | The Death & Resurrection Of Jesus · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please?
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The show starts in 587654321 Go. The.
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The. Hello there everyone.
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Welcome to the Proverbs Guys Ministries Network.
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This is GOD TV Radio. I'm TTOR, and this is Brett
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Keene. Say hello, Brett.
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Weather. This is the first time I've done
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one of these shows using Eve Mucks, which is something that I
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had trouble connecting to for a while.
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But the problem has since been resolved and well, here we are.
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And I got a doozy of a stream for you, and I'm sure Brett will
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make it even more entertaining. Today we're going to actually be
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responding to something that I had originally planned on doing
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as a video on my own channel. Then I thought, you know, this
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might make a better live stream topic.
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So here we are. Today I of course am talking
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about Sarah Stock. And in case you don't know who
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Sarah Stock is, I will give you the brief rundown of who she is
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by using the magical power of screen sharing.
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OK, what is it telling me? OK, I'll just add that scene and
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remove us from the screen. Why does it say no connection
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for you? Oh, well, if you wouldn't mind,
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because obviously there's going to be folks out there listening
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and all that. Would you like to go into a
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little bit of would you like to go into a little bit of detail
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explaining why it is about what your issues are with
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Catholicism? Because I know I've heard a lot
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of videos where people have been interested in that.
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Would you like to explain to the audience why you have issue with
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Catholicism? Yeah, I'm going to do that, but
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I'm just trying to set up the scene right now for screen
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sharing. Steven left us again.
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Yes, Steven has terrible Internet connections.
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Yeah, So do I. Wait, where is my?
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Here it is now. I'm going to try this little
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one. Put this here.
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Actually, let's try this one. There we go.
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All right, now let's get back to where I was.
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But yeah, you're asking about that.
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I am going to get into those reasons.
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Why? Because she brings them up in
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later points. But where was I?
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So yeah, I was talking about how the claim about their being
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found as the denominations wasn't true.
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The documents of the Bible were written back in, not the Bible,
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but the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and the
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entire New Testament were all written in 70 AD or prior to 70
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AD in the 1st century, which I've talked about in the past
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content of mine. And therefore the entire New
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Testament, even though it hadn't been gathered into one
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collection until way later, was all written back in the 1st
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century. So the faith that I hold to,
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which is faith in the biblical worldview, which means I adhere
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to the Gospels, I adhere to the New Testament, I here to the Old
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Testament. That faith precedes Roman
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Catholicism by a couple centuries.
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So even that part of what she said is not true because Roman
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Catholicism, big hint, doesn't go back that.
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Far so I got, I got a couple questions for you TTOR and this
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is for the audience as well, because not everybody out there
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may know who this woman is, Why is she important and why are we
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bothering with her? What is her deal?
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Explain a little bit please. Well, as I mentioned earlier in
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the stream, she is a popular as far as her Rise content creator
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who primarily uses Twitter, and she basically says a lot of
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things that people want to hear regarding conservative issues
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like abortion and transgenderism and all that stuff.
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But the recent shift to Roman Catholicism and her reasoning
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for doing so, which we're going through here, indicates that not
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all is right in her brain as far as the way she thinks about
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things. Which is a scary thought.
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Because when you're someone who has horrific bad reasoning for
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believing what you believe, and you're popular and your
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platforms getting bigger and thousands upon thousands upon
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thousands of people at the minimum look to you as a beacon
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of truth or someone who stands on the truth, well, this kind of
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thing has to be brought up because you don't want to follow
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someone who, well, reasons like she does.
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I mean, if she was a man making all the same points and that man
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was rising in popularity, I'd be doing the same thing here.
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Right, I totally agree with you on that.
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I understand. And you've been more than happy
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to lay up the smack down their men on your YouTube channel, TTR
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Truth. The Objectivity.
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But why? Why does it seem like she's
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getting popular? What is this?
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Is she woke or something like a woke former Protestant?
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I don't think she's a former liberal, but I know that she's
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just getting popular and I'm not sure how much of it is
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astroturfed by the establishment or if it's organic or if there's
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bots being used. All I know is she's growing in
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popularity. She gets a lot of engagement on
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her posts. I see her all the time in my
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feeds. And she?
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Put this out. It depends on how you rate
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attractive. Is she ugly?
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No. Is she kind of cute?
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Yeah, you can argue that. But is she like the model?
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No. There you go, I.
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Mean I don't even care about. That's that's the point, TTR.
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That's probably why she's getting popular.
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The the nerds and geeks out there who love social media,
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they always attach themselves to even plain looking women.
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So that's probably why she's blowing up like she is.
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But go ahead. Now the other thing she said in
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point number one that I found interesting was when she claimed
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that instead of only getting to read about the miracles recorded
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in the Bible, she got to learn about how God has worked on
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earth many years after the ascension.
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Now I know in my own personal life and I would be interested
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in hearing if you have any fun stories about this, Brett, I
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have heard all kinds of testimony about miracles that
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have occurred in people's lives. Bonafide miracles that have
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occurred in the last 30-40 years older, you know, miracles dating
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back to the childhood of my father that happened in his
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life. So the concept of miracles
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happening in the years since the ascension, it's something that
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people like me and people like my brethren in my communities of
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the faith, we've never been bothered by hearing about
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miracles that have occurred since the ones that were
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recorded in Scripture. So I don't know where, I don't
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know where she's getting this idea that Protestants limit
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themselves to only accepting the miracles that are recorded in
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the Bible. It's odd.
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It was odd. Before I get where she's going.
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Before I came in here, TTORI was literally listening to the
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testimony of another really cool Christian guy and he talked
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about some of the great things and experiences God did in his
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life. So I don't know what she's
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talking about either. I just 10 minutes ago listened
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to a fantastic testimony. And avid I no, I might be
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putting words in your mouth. I hope I'm not, but when you've
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been in churches in the past in your life, and when you've seen,
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you know, Christians on the Internet talking about stuff, is
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it fairly common for you to hear other Christians talking about
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miracles that occurred in their lives, which is like the last
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few decades, within the last 100 years?
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TTR have been the many different denominations of Christianity
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due to growing up in foster homes and in every single church
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I ever went into, testimonies was something that you could not
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get around. You would hear at least 5 to 10
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of them before you left church service.
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So it is a common practice that people share their stories and
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the experiences they've had in their life.
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Go ahead. That's very good insight you had
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there, Brett, and a good ending to point number one point #2 she
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brings up clarity on key issues, and this is what she writes.
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One of the things that have always one of the things that
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always bothered me as a Protestant was that sometimes I
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had very specific questions about theology that no one
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seemed to have a solid answer to.
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When your only source of authority is the Bible, which is
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up to interpretation from just anyone, it's hard to answer
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questions about issues like is smoking a cigarette or getting a
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tattoo a sin, or is it wrong to use contraception within
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marriage? Even worse, some modern churches
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refuse to give moral clarity on even bigger issues such as
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abortion or transgenderism. The great thing about the
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Catechism, which is referring to the Catechism of the Catholic
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Church, which I'm actually going to look at a couple of passages
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in that today, is that there is a solid doctrine on a wide range
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of moral issues. The moment when I realized the
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value in this was when I received a pamphlet for
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examination of consciousness or conscience.
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I realized that the Catholic Church not only provided clarity
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on what deeds are considered sins, but also on how serious
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those sins are in the specific conditions required for a sin to
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be considered mortal. So Grey, they gave you a
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pamphlet explained to you how some sins are worse than others,
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and some sins, if you commit them, oh boy, you better go
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confess to a priest right now. But other sins that you commit,
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ah, you can wait till next week to deal with that.
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No big deal. That's something that
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Catholicism is notorious for teaching as a concept that
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people have been making fun of for time and memoriam, and it
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doesn't take much thought to understand why that's a a
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problematic idea that they have. But the thing she says in the
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first paragraph of that section about how well, your only
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sources of authority is the Bible, and that's bad because,
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well, the Bible's up to interpretation from just about
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anyone. That shows, at least to me,
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Brett, that the Bible 1 is not the ultimate authority in her
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life. And two, she apparently thinks
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that the Bible is so unclear and basically everything it says
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that basically anyone can interpret it any old way they
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want. Now, it is true that there are
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passages in the Bible that are hard to interpret.
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It is true that there are people who will twist and manipulate
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the Bible to make it seem like it's justifying the things they
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want to do and say. But I think any serious
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Christian apologist would be able to show you, and I
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certainly could, that the Bible is crystal clear on a much wider
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variety of issues than you would actually think at first glance.
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The Bible, when read in a straightforward and contextual
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manner and not reinterpreted in light of anything else, is
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crystal clear about a wide variety of topics.
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There are even some passages that seem to indicate that, yes,
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getting a tattoo is a sin. Smoking a cigarette is not one
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of those things that's confirmed as a sin by the Bible.
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And the idea of using contraception within marriage,
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That's more of a modern issue that wasn't being dealt with
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back when the Bible documents were written in Old Testament
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times and New Testament times. But as far as well, some modern
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churches refused to give moral clarity on even bigger issues
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such as abortion and transgenderism.
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Well, if you read the Bible, you'll realize that basically
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right after Jesus ascended to heaven, all kinds of people who
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called themselves Christians were compromising on all kinds
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of moral issues, including incest and some very sick,
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disturbing cases. And Paul kind of reamed into
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those people on that. And I think it was First
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Corinthians are. You a TTR?
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Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say that the
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Bible is very clear on a wide variety of issues and the idea
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that, well, just anyone can interpret it any old way, it's
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just plain nonsense. Basically, you're an honest
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person. I was going to ask you if you're
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familiar with the story of Luther, not in the Bible, but
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the story, the history of Luther.
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Martin Luther. Yeah.
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And the feces he nailed to the the door of the Catholic Church.
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Well, he had, he had some disturbing things that he did,
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but he was one of the the Catholic Church at the time.
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Historically, for those who don't know, they didn't want to
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allow people to actually read the Bible.
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They wanted to be the ones reading it off and interpret it
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the way they like. And humans were forced to listen
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to their thought process and the Bible.
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So they didn't even know if they were here in the Bible some days
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because they couldn't look at it or read it themselves.
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For hundreds of years they did that.
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They kept the Bible away from people and the common peasant
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wasn't able to read it. If it wasn't for Luther, who
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fought for it to be able to be transcribed to where people
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could look at it from German to English and all that, a lot of
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people nowadays would be in a really, really bad way.
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Yeah, well, I don't think it was just Luther that was part of
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that. There were other priests who
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were instrumental and the Bible getting translated from Latin to
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English, which was huge because up until that point, they didn't
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have the Bible in the common tongue of the people, which was
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English. You had to know Latin to be able
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to read and understand it. And so that gave the Catholic
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Church a lot of power because basically they were the only
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ones who could read it. And so therefore they could
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basically get away with lying to people about what it said.
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And so once the Bible started being translated into the common
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tongue and people could read it for themselves, they began to
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realize just how royally screwed over they were by the church.
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And so that's when a lot of the resistance to the Catholic
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Church really took off. And that's what the point that
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Brett was getting that was that. They also, yeah.
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It's a very good point to bring up.
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The Catholic Church ended up taking a lot of people's
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property and lands from them as well back then and they would
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convince people to will over all of their property instead of to
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their the inherited children and families.
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So that's one of the reasons why I that's a bad check mark off
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for Catholics when it comes to me.
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Yep, very true. Which leads point #3 is great.
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Jesus established the church and she writes this.
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A question that someone asked me back when I had my doubts about
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Catholicism was do you really think that the early Christians
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who literally knew Jesus were practicing the faith completely
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wrong and then we happened to finally get it right 1500 years
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later? When I started to dig into the
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history, I soon realized that the 12 apostles were all
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Catholics. Peter was the first Pope.
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Oh I can't read that straight face.
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Roman Catholicism, Think about that name didn't exist until the
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Romans stopped persecuting Christians and then integrated
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their Pagan views into Christianity, creating a hybrid
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religion that you just converted to Sarah.
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But yeah, they were not all Catholics.
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Doesn't Sarah know how? I guess Sarah doesn't know how
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Peter was killed. Exactly.
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I soon realized that the 12 apostles were all Catholics and
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Peter was the first Pope. In Matthew 1618, Jesus tells
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Peter you are Peter. And on this rock I will build my
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church in the gates of the nether world will not prevail
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against it through Apostolic Apostolic succession.
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Every priest alive today has been blessed by Jesus.
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Does that include the pedophile ones?
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Serious question, Sarah, does that include the pedophile
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priests? Were they all blessed by Jesus
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too when they were diddling little kids and then getting
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shopped around from Catholic Church to Catholic Church
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instead of being dealt with for being the scumbags that they
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were? I mean, that's a popular thing
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that people know about Catholicism is the pedophile
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priests. Now the Catholic Church, instead
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of putting it out and dealing with it, well, they just shuffle
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it off to the side and let the offender go offending in other
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places instead of actually dealing with them.
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That's one of the other things the Catholic Church is well
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known for. So for you, Sarah, to come out
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and say that every priest alive today has been blessed by Jesus,
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that's not a good look for you. It shows that you're very
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ignorant of the history of the Roman Catholic Church.
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But she does continue on. Not only that, but the word
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Catholic, which just means universal.
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Oh, finally someone admits that its first recorded use by Saint
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Ignatius of Antioch and only 110 AD.
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We have plenty of historical records of the early Church that
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proved that they believe in transubstantiation and the
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veneration of Mary. It became clear to me that the
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faith I was practicing was very different from the one that the
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earliest Christians did, and I realized that their authority
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and interpretation of the Bible held more weight than mine.
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So in other words, what she's admitting here is that the early
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church fathers and how they interpreted Scripture holds more
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weights than her when it comes to interpreting the Bible.
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Course, the problem I have with that is that as someone who
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actually has studied a bit of those early church fathers and
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some of the things they taught is that they didn't always get
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things right when it came to the Scriptures.
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And that's a serious problem that a lot of people, apparently
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including Sarah, have. They think, well, early church
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fathers were so close to the time of the events of the New
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Testament, they even knew some of the apostles while they were
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still alive. So obviously their
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interpretation of the Scripture must be valid and we must
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elevate it to a position of authority.
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Problem with that is that we can read what they wrote and we can
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compare it to the Bible and some of the things they taught were
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wrong, especially a lot of the ones who taught replacement
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theology of various degrees. They were horrendously wrong
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about that one. The anti-Semitic attitudes that
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a lot of those Christians had back in that time frame because
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well, the Jews killed Jesus and so we got to make them pay.
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That was wrong, very wrong of them to do according to the
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Scriptures. So the idea that we must elevate
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the early church fathers in terms of authority regarding
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their interpretation of the Bible and that, well, we
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shouldn't evaluate whether or not their interpretation is
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correct, that's bad. That's how you get sold a
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bridge, if you know what I'm saying.
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Point #4 that she brought up was an interesting one.
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It's common sense that practicing spiritual disciplines
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such as reading scripture, spending time and prayer, and
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fasting would bring you closer to God and deepen your faith.
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Throughout my walk with God, I've realized that it's very
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easy to lose sight of my beliefs and fall into sin unless I'm
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regularly incorporating these spiritual disciplines in my
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life. However, because of a strong
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emphasis on faith overworks and Protestant circles, uh, I was
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never given the social pressure or requirement to do these
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things, and any spiritual habits had to be done by sheer force of
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will. In the Catholic Church,
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confessing your sins isn't an option, it's a requirement.
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The same is true of fasting on specific days and attending Mass
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on the Sabbath. Knowing myself, and that's
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difficult for me to keep up a routine without feeling like I
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have to do so, the requirement to practice these disciplines
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was a huge appeal. Oh, goodness, Brett, I just
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heard I want to earn my salvation through works instead
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of faith. That's what I heard through
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that. And now she gouches into the
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well, I need the discipline in my life that this brings me.
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But that's really what she's saying.
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Like, well, you know, I can't just, you know, do these things
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to walk in sanctification. I need my faith to require me to
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do these things. And so that Roman Catholicism
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really appeared to appeal to her on that level.
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And of course, if you're someone watching this live stream,
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either live or after the fact, and you happen to know your
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Bible, you know that the New Testament makes it clear that
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you can never earn your way to salvation.
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In fact, in Isaiah chapter, I think it's 60 verse 60
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something, there's a passage that talks about how the good
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works we do are nothing but filthy rags to the Lord.
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Basically if you study the Hebrew language that the filthy
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rags is more accurately understood as like menstrual
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pets. So yeah, our good works that we
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do mean nothing to God if we are not in right standing with them.
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So it seems to me that the faith and being in right standing with
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God is actually more important than the works themselves, and
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that the works according to the New Testament are merely a fruit
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of your proper faith and your right relationship with God.
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If your relationship with God is right, well, then naturally you
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will do good works. It'll be one of the fruits of
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your salvation. But Roman Catholics put works
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basically right in there with salvation.
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Like you have to do these things, which biblically
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speaking is not accurate at all, contradicts the Bible, gives me
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a headache that someone who claims to know the Bible or have
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studied the Bible could ever fall for something like this.
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It's like one of the most basic, fundamental things that you can
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learn in the Bible just by a cursory study.
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And yet she fell for it. Apparently she just has to be
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required to do all these things in order to have a saving
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spiritual relationship with God, to be close to God.
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She just, she has to do things and she wants her religion to
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require them of her now #5 is a kind of vain, but we'll go right
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into it. It's it's called transcendence
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and beauty. It's stereotypical to say, but
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many modern Protestant churches do in fact feel like a rock
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concert. Songs can be fun and catchy, and
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the pastors are very entertaining, but it can seem a
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little bit unserious. When I attend Mass, there is an
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air of solemn slimity, can't say that word right, and reverence
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that helps me to remember to put all my focus on God.
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The music doesn't sound like something I would hear on the
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radio or in a shopping mall, but like something that angels would
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sing instead of holding services in a gym or a movie theater.
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Catholic parishes are their own buildings set apart, holy for
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worshiping Christ. Although there is a wide range
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in Catholic Church architecture of some parishes being more
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beautiful than others, there's something to be said about the
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aesthetics of Catholic churches and how they aim to reflect the
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beauty of the Creator while also affirming the truth that beauty
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in itself is an objective good. Now that I have attended
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Catholic Mass, stepping into a Protestant church feels much
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less like church and more like a fun Bible study slash concert.
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So it seems like she's taken away by the appearance of
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things. Catholic churches have such
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beautiful architecture. Truly, there's something holy
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about that. And yet such a place also makes
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the perfect cover for the practice of really horrible
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sins. Once again, visit pedophile
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priests. I don't know how she's not.
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Talking about that at all, or even thinking about that one,
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but apparently she was sold the hook.
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Now this next one. Point #6 is where she talks
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about unity and community. It's embarrassing to admit, but
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I was attending Mass for a few months before I learned that
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every single Catholic Church reads the same Bible passage
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every Sunday. This blew my mind.
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It was so cool to realize that every Catholic in the world had
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all heard the same verses as me that week.
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It felt like I was suddenly a part of a giant unified
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community of believers. When I started to look into the
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faith a year ago, it felt as though God was nudging me by
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placing so many Catholics in my path.
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While I hardly knew any Catholics before, suddenly many
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of the people I was closest to were all practicing ones, as
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were many acquaintances who were happy to talk about their faith
42:38
with me and let me know that they would be praying for my
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conversion. None of the Catholics that I met
42:43
were judgmental and all were happy to answer the questions
42:46
that I had. Well, obviously you have not
42:49
been on the Internet long enough to run into the Catholics that
42:53
are judgmental. But that point aside, her claim
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in the first paragraph that every single Catholic Church
42:59
reads the same Bible passage every Sunday and therefore every
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Catholic in the world hears the same verses as her every single
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week that she attends mass? I find that one a little hard to
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believe. That requires a lot of
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communication between all the Catholics in the world.
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And notice what she's saying. So if you have like this church,
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you know, over here that says that, Oh yeah, we're, we're
43:26
talking about Acts chapter 17 today.
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And then you got another church just down the road where they're
43:31
talking about, you know, the Gospels.
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They're talking about what Jesus did with various miracles.
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Or you have another church that's just on the other side of
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town talking about stuff in the letters that Paul wrote.
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Or you have another church also on the other side of town that's
43:46
talking about Old Testament stuff.
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So apparently the fact that different churches talk about
43:52
different parts of the Bible on the same day is somehow a bad
43:56
thing. But every single Catholic Church
43:59
on planet earth talking about the same Bible passages verbatim
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every single Sunday of the week somehow that's good.
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I don't know, that seems like hive mind group think kind of
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stuff to me because when I read the Bible, God kind of leads
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different people into different paths and different journeys in
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their life. Like you go in the Old Testament
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and you read about Moses and the Israelites and how all the
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elders were supposed to go on the mountain and basically God
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was going to put his Spirit on all of them.
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But some of the Israelites who were supposed to go up there,
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they chose to stay behind at the camp.
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And yet the Holy Spirit came on them just like it came on all
44:43
the guys at the mountain. And then when they start
44:46
speaking in the Spirit in the camp, the ones who are on the
44:48
mountain told Moses to tell them to stop doing that.
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And Moses said no, he said the same.
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Thing as Jesus did. That basically, you know,
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they're doing what God has put on them and put in their hearts.
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I'm not going to stop them so the.
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Idea that. Having this uniformity of
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scriptures being read every Sunday in every Catholic Church
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is a good thing, and that different churches talking about
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different parts of the Bible on the same Sunday is a bad thing
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when Protestants do it apparently.
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I don't understand. How that could possibly be a bad
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thing, or how the way Catholicism does it somehow
45:26
makes it better? I just maybe Brett can enlighten
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me because frankly my mind is blown.
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I don't even know how to comprehend that even though I've
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read this like 5 times by now. Well, the issue is.
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Is, I don't know the woman obviously, as well as you.
45:43
You've done a lot of research and study on her.
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So I feel kind of awkward and uncomfortable to be able to go
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at her. I'm can sit here all day and
45:53
tell you my disagreements with Catholicism and the Church and
45:57
all that, but I'm still in a funny position.
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As you know, TTOR, I've only been a theist for, you know,
46:05
some amount of years where you've been doing the faith for
46:07
a very long time. So you're more knowledgeable on
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this. Do you believe that a Catholic,
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if they accept Jesus Christ and he resurrected 3 days later,
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they're going to heaven? What's your thoughts on that?
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Someone who is a. Catholic, if they can read the
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Bible in the manner that it's supposed to be read in, and they
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understand what it's teaching and they submit to Jesus in the
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way that the Bible describes, yes, they can be saved.
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It's when they start getting poisoned by the other things
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Catholicism teaches that can really affect them.
46:45
And that's where they are in real danger when they're part of
46:47
the Catholic Church. There are many people like that
46:51
who ended up having to leave the Catholic Church because they
46:54
realized, wow, the Bible says one thing, I believe the Bible,
46:59
I believe in Jesus, but these other things that Catholicism
47:03
requires of me are just so antithetical to Jesus and the
47:06
Bible that I can't be in this anymore.
47:08
And so they leave Catholicism, they become Protestants or
47:11
Baptists or non denominational. Fill in the blank, they become
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something else. There have been many Christians
47:17
over time that have left Catholicism because they had a
47:21
personal saving relationship with Jesus while they were in
47:24
the Catholic faith. And then their eyes were open
47:27
later on to what the Catholic faith really teaches.
47:30
And so they were forced to leave in order to be true in their
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relationship with Jesus and to be true to what they read in the
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Bible. So lots of people over time
47:40
could tell you that, yeah, I was a Catholic when I first got
47:43
saved. But then once I realized what I
47:45
was in, I got out. But you, you.
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You were. A Catholic before all that.
47:54
No, I was never a Catholic. Oh, I thought you said you.
47:57
Were a Catholic and then when I figured it all out I got out of
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it all right Oh, I was saying I. Was talking about there are a
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lot of people out there who are like that who have found
48:06
themselves in that situation. So the answer is yes, someone
48:11
who's a Catholic can be saved, but there's also a really good
48:15
possibility that they're allegiance to God and the Bible
48:19
over everything else will lead them out of Catholicism if they
48:23
don't get, you know, their minds twisted by the traditions of
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Catholicism. Speaking of those traditions,
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though, here's the one that I have things to say.
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We actually get into the cataclysm of the Catholic Church
48:36
on this one. The veneration of Mary
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journeying into Catholicism has felt in some ways like I'm
48:44
rediscovering Christianity by once again seeing how I did as a
48:48
child. When I was a kid I remember
48:51
thinking of Mary as a main character in the Bible, only
48:54
second to Jesus in importance. Never thought that once, but OK.
48:59
This felt obvious to me as she carried him in her womb and was
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present at his crucifixion. Mary was the most sought after
49:06
part to play in the annual Christmas pageant and I knew
49:08
that because of her proximity to Christ, she was someone special.
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Remembering this helped make asking for intercession from
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Mary feel much more natural than I thought it would.
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Wait, wait, wait. So you're admitting that you're
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asking Mary to intercede for you and that stuff only God does?
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Just saying when I let go of. May I ask you a question about?
49:31
Something because I I've learned a lot from you as well with your
49:34
knowledge of the Bible and religion, But isn't it believed,
49:38
at least by the Protestants, that when a majority of the
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human race are, when people die, they remain dead until God
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returns to bring them up, right? Yeah, there's a special.
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Place that basically serves as a holding cell until the final
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judgment comes, and basically this holds.
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Her asleep. When Jesus healed that little
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girl, he said she's not Garn, she's simply asleep.
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Like she's in a dream. Like state type of thing.
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Well if that's the case, Mary was a biological human being.
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Shouldn't she still be awaiting the the return of Jesus Christ?
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Because I don't remember reading in the Bible where she ascended
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into heaven with with Jesus. Do you make?
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Yeah, we're going to. Yeah, you bring up a good point
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because we're about to get into that very thing.
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So I'll keep reading the next paragraph and then we'll
50:36
actually get into what you're just referring to.
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She says when I let go of some of the Protestant prejudice
50:44
prejudices I had towards her and dug into the scripture fueled
50:48
Catholic explanations for intercession, it felt as though
50:51
I had been missing out on something big for my entire
50:54
faith life. Praying the rosary was not
50:56
boring like I thought it would be, but deeply spiritually
50:59
fulfilling and meditative. It also brought discipline to my
51:02
prayer life, as it ensured that I prayed for a specific amount
51:06
of time without distraction. All right, now let's get into
51:09
the part about this veneration of Mary that she didn't get
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into. That's very inconvenient.
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Now I have. Oh, yeah, here we go.
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So. We have the Catechism.
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Of the Catholic Church right here on screen from the official
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Vatican website and in 966, which is, if I can highlight it
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here on the screen right here it reads finally the Immaculate
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Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the
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course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up bodily
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body and soul into heavenly glory and exalted by the Lord as
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Queen over all things so that she might be more fully
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conformed to her Son, the Lord of Lords and conqueror of sin
51:59
and death. So in this little passage, the
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Catechism of the Catholic Church literally claims that Mary was
52:08
sinless and that she ascended bodily into heaven, just like
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Elijah and Enoch did in the Old Testament.
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Now there's a fun little article I came across a few years ago
52:21
that actually made a stunning admission about these this
52:25
passage. So we have here from the
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Catholic Company, which is a Catholic apologetics website.
52:33
Technically they also sell stuff too, but they have this article
52:38
on their website called What the Catholic Church Teaches About
52:42
Mary, and I'm going to read. I'm going.
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To read a few paragraphs so that.
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People get a fuller idea of this doctrine that we just saw in the
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Catechism of the Catholic Church, but then we're going to
52:53
get to the part where they spill the beans.
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When it comes to the Catholic Church.
52:59
'S teaching on Mary. Many of our non Catholic
53:01
brothers and sisters find the position Catholics hold
53:04
regarding Mary difficult to accept, namely the Immaculate
53:08
Conception, Mary is Mother of God and the Assumption of Mary
53:12
into Heaven and her coordination as Queen.
53:15
However, this difficulty mainly stems from a lack of
53:19
understanding. The Catholic Church firmly
53:21
believes that Mary was immaculately conceived.
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Since God rejects all sin and the purpose of Christ's
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incarnation was to release man from the grasp of Satan, it was
53:30
not suitable that our Redeemer be personally associated with
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sin. That means that unlike the
53:34
original sin that we as humans inherit at the moment of
53:37
conception, Mary was exempt from this sin and in like manner was
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not subject to sin throughout her life.
53:43
And Luke 128 the Angel Gabriel addresses Mary hail full of
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grace. The fullness of grace would not
53:49
have been hers had she had any stain of sin in the apostolis.
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Apostolic Constitution. By Pope.
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Pius, I can't pronounce that Roman numeral on the Immaculate
54:00
Conception. He reiterates this teaching all
54:04
right above. All creatures did.
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God, oh, I was going to say. I was going to say something
54:09
real quick and grok for those out there who have ex social
54:13
media you can use the AI and I asked it I said does the Bible
54:18
at any time and this thing has full knowledge of every version
54:21
of the Bible. It says that the Bible states in
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Roman 323 that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of
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God, indicating that no human is without sin.
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And also reinforced in first John chapter one verse 8, we say
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we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not
54:40
in US. Even the most righteous like
54:43
David or Moses are shown to have sinned at points in their life.
54:46
So in Hebrew 415. The point I'm putting out there
54:50
is I want to remind people that whatever the Catholics have said
54:54
about people being Saints and without sin and all that, that
54:58
is not what Jesus taught. Yes, you are absolutely correct.
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I am glad you asked Grok about that and brought it up.
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And it's also going to show that the part that we're getting
55:10
towards is even more important. But I'm going to finish reading
55:13
the quotes and then we'll read the paragraph where this whole
55:16
thing comes apart about Mary. So anyway, this Pope says above
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all preachers did God so loved her that truly in her was the
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Father well pleased with singular delight.
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Therefore, far above all the angels and all the Saints, so
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wondrously did God endow her with the abundance of all
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heavenly gifts poured from the treasury of His Divinity, that
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His Mother, that this Mother, ever absolutely free of
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Allstate, of sin, all fair and perfect, would possess that
55:43
fullness of holy innocence and sanctify that which under God
55:46
one cannot even imagine anything greater, and which, outside of
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God, no mind can succeed in comprehending fully.
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The Catholic Church commemorates Mary's Immaculate Conception on
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December 8th of each year. As we read the Gospels, we see
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unmistakably that Mary is the mother of Jesus.
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Well, duh. In the Angel Gabriel's greeting
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to Mary, he confirms that she will bear the Son of God.
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In the profession of faith we recite at each Sunday Mass, we
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proclaim that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity,
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that he is the true God from true God.
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Therefore, if Jesus is God, we must gather that Mary, the one
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who gave birth to and nurtured Jesus, is the Mother of God who
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became man, Jesus. There is no other human to whom
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Jesus was as closely and intimately connected as his
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mother Mary. Now, this is the part of those
56:32
of you watching where you realize where this all comes
56:35
from and why Catholics don't care about what Brent just
56:39
brought up The Catholic. Church relies.
56:42
Heavily on Sacred Tradition as passed down from the Apostles
56:48
and manifested in the teaching authority of the Church.
56:51
The Assumption of Mary is 1 doctrine of the Church that has
56:55
emerged from Apostolic tradition rather than directly from
56:59
Scripture. In other words, none of this
57:03
crap about Mary being sinless and ascending bodily into
57:08
heaven, just like Elijah and Enoch and all this stuff about
57:12
her basically being mediator between US and Jesus, who is
57:17
supposed to be the only mediator between US and God.
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All that stuff doesn't come from the Bible at all.
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It comes from Sacred tradition. And if you know Roman
57:27
Catholicism, Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture have equal
57:33
authority, which in practice means that when the two
57:36
conflict, you set aside the scripture in favor of the
57:41
tradition which Jesus himself point blank blasted into
57:46
oblivion as sin and wrong. We see that exactly here in
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Matthew 15 one through 9, which reads as the following.
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Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from
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Jerusalem and asked, why do your disciples break the tradition of
58:03
the elders? They don't wash their hands
58:05
before they eat. Jesus replied, and why do you
58:09
break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
58:13
For God said, honor your father and mother, and anyone who
58:16
curses their father or mother is to be put to death.
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But you say that if anyone declares that what might have
58:22
been used to help their father or mother is devoted to God,
58:25
they are not to honor their father or mother with it.
58:28
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition,
58:33
you hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he
58:36
prophesied about you, these people.
58:38
Honor me of their. Lips, but their hearts are far
58:41
from me. They worship me in vain.
58:43
Their teachings are merely human rules and Catholics today, not
58:49
just Sarah, but all Catholics today who believe as she does
58:53
and they do the veneration of Mary thing.
58:56
They are doing the same thing that the Pharisees and the
58:59
teachers of the law did in the time of Jesus.
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They are literally putting tradition on part of scripture,
59:05
which in practice according to Jesus allows them to set aside
59:09
the scripture in favor of their tradition.
59:12
Catholics like Sarah who venerate Mary, they are
59:17
literally doing the very thing that Jesus himself condemned,
59:23
mainly putting all these traditions about Mary being the
59:26
mediatrix between US and Jesus and Mary being omnipresent and
59:32
interceding for all of our prayers, and her being sinless
59:35
and bodily ascended to heaven. All of that is human tradition
59:42
and Catholics are literally setting aside the scriptures for
59:46
these traditions, which is something Jesus condemned the
59:49
Pharisees and teachers of the law for doing and he would
59:52
condemn them today if he was here and observe the Catholics
59:55
doing these things. And so that's where this whole
59:59
veneration of Mary thing comes from.
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The deification of Mary that Catholics do comes from it
1:00:06
literally according to a pro Catholic website, all comes from
1:00:11
Apostolic tradition and not directly from scripture.
1:00:16
So anytime you guys watching this live stream are here in the
1:00:21
Catholics say all this stuff about Mary.
1:00:24
Keep this in mind, everything they say about her that as far
1:00:27
as her being omnipresent and making intercession for us,
1:00:31
being a mediator between us, Jesus and God, and her being
1:00:36
sinless and being a perpetual virgin and bodily ascending to
1:00:41
heaven, all that is not scriptural at all.
1:00:44
It's all tradition that they decided is more authoritative
1:00:47
than scripture, and they made that decision by making it equal
1:00:52
in authority with scripture, by calling it Apostolic tradition.
1:00:57
Just so you guys know that those of you watching the stream.
1:01:02
But yet that's the veneration of Mary.
1:01:04
That's definitely the one that's like, oh boy, that's bad.
1:01:09
But she doesn't stop with the bad arguments point #9 she says
1:01:14
hierarchy is important and she writes this.
1:01:17
As many have pointed out, the problem with Sola Scriptura is
1:01:20
that everyone has a different interpretation of what scripture
1:01:24
means. The benefit of the Magisterium
1:01:26
is that there is consistency in the interpretation of scripture,
1:01:30
which ensures the unity of the church.
1:01:33
The Pope serving as the visual head of the church also helps
1:01:36
maintain that unity. I've noticed that there is even
1:01:39
a level of respect given to priests that aren't attributed
1:01:42
to pastors who may be in your world.
1:01:46
But no, that's not true at all. Protestantism has deep ties with
1:01:51
liberalism and individualism, which results in the belief that
1:01:56
everyone is the same. Why is that a problem?
1:02:01
And I like how she's just blatantly tying liberalism and
1:02:04
individualism with Protestantism in order to, you know, tear it
1:02:07
down. This starts with things like
1:02:09
everyone is equally good at interpreting scripture and ends
1:02:12
with, of course, women can be pastors.
1:02:15
Now this is a non sequitur fallacy primarily because I
1:02:19
don't know a single Christian in my entire circles in my entire
1:02:24
life who has ever said that everyone is equally good at
1:02:28
interpreting scripture. Have you, Brett?
1:02:30
Have you met any Christians ever who said everyone is equally
1:02:36
good at interpreting Scripture? No, and that obviously.
1:02:39
Doesn't work through observation as well.
1:02:44
Yeah, I. Know.
1:02:44
I mean, sure there are. People who interpret scriptures
1:02:47
differently for various reasons, but even the people who
1:02:52
interpret the Bible wrong don't say that.
1:02:55
So it's weird that she's playing out this entire straw man in
1:02:59
order to tie Protestantism with liberalism and individualism.
1:03:04
It's really, really strange. Anyway, she continues, it's
1:03:08
freeing to know that it's not my job to come up with Christian
1:03:11
doctrine by myself. Of course, you were not required
1:03:15
to come up with Christian doctrine by yourself.
1:03:17
And I digress. And that I can instead learn
1:03:19
from men much wiser and smarter than me who are placed in
1:03:22
authority by God and have peace together.
1:03:25
The truth for strict methodology over 2000 years.
1:03:29
So in other words, you don't want to do the work of actually
1:03:32
reading the Bible for yourself and understanding what it says
1:03:35
for yourself and comparing what you're reading with what other
1:03:38
people are saying and then seeing which one checks out.
1:03:42
That's just too much work for Sarah.
1:03:44
No, no, no. It's just so much easier to let
1:03:47
these holy priests and Catholicism do all of the
1:03:50
biblical interpretation for her, which is kind of the attitude
1:03:54
that the Catholic Church had before.
1:03:56
Like we were talking about earlier in the stream when the
1:03:58
Bible used to only be in Latin and it wasn't available in
1:04:01
English. And so basically, people did
1:04:03
have to rely on their priests to interpret the Bible for them
1:04:07
because they had no other choice.
1:04:10
But now that we have the Bible for ourselves of our own tongue,
1:04:13
where we can read it for ourselves and understand it for
1:04:15
ourselves, we no longer have to rely on Catholic priests to
1:04:20
interpret the Bible for us. And apparently they're not too
1:04:25
happy about it. And apparently she finds great
1:04:28
comfort in letting someone else do her thinking for her.
1:04:32
That's just a weird one to me. I don't know about you, Brett,
1:04:34
but I do not like people interpreting things for me that
1:04:38
I can't. Yeah, go ahead.
1:04:40
I was going to say unfortunately.
1:04:42
The Bible is absolutely correct whenever it says my people are
1:04:46
destroyed for lack of knowledge. The issue that I discovered even
1:04:50
back whenever I was a former atheist, one of the first
1:04:53
questions I used to ask religious people when I would
1:04:57
get into a debate or discussion with them was have you actually
1:05:01
read the Bible cover to cover? I can't tell you how many
1:05:05
shockingly admitted that they had never read the Bible cover
1:05:09
to cover. They either skimmed through it
1:05:11
or they had some preacher telling them what passages to
1:05:15
look in on Sunday or Wednesday, and that was that.
1:05:19
It's I think that's one of the reasons why there's so many
1:05:22
problems with misinterpretations, because
1:05:25
you're going to actually read it in order to be able to
1:05:27
understand what it's saying. Right.
1:05:33
Right. That's exactly right.
1:05:37
And yeah, there are a lot of Christians like that.
1:05:40
As a matter of fact, one of the things that my friend Tom from
1:05:44
our walk in Christ, that ministry, one of the things he's
1:05:48
been pointing out for a really long time, is that the biggest
1:05:52
problem that Christians suffer from his biblical illiteracy.
1:05:56
The majority of Christians do not know what the Bible teaches
1:06:01
because they basically have barely ever read it, if ever,
1:06:05
much less studied it. And God does not reward
1:06:08
ignorance. He does not reward ignorance of
1:06:11
what the Scriptures say. We are commanded to defend our
1:06:14
faith, to defend the truthfulness of the biblical
1:06:17
worldview from all that oppose it, according to the New
1:06:21
Testament. And in order to do that, you got
1:06:24
to know your Scriptures. You have to know what it says.
1:06:28
You cannot be biblically illiterate, especially in
1:06:31
today's society. So the idea of not doing the
1:06:37
work of interpreting the Bible and just let other people
1:06:40
interpret it for you, that's no good to someone like me.
1:06:44
I refuse to let someone interpret something for me that
1:06:49
I can read for myself and just let it be that.
1:06:52
No, no, no, I have to know if what they're saying is true or
1:06:56
not. And that's actually something we
1:06:58
see in the Bible. We actually see that Paul was
1:07:02
not beyond that scrutiny with the Bereans now in second Peter
1:07:06
314 through 16, we read this. So then, dear?
1:07:10
Friends, since you are. Looking forward to this, make
1:07:12
every effort to be found spotless, blameless, and at
1:07:15
peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord's
1:07:17
patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also
1:07:21
wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
1:07:23
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of
1:07:27
these matters. His letters contain some things
1:07:30
that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable
1:07:33
people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own
1:07:38
destruction. Now when?
1:07:40
Peter. Says that people.
1:07:41
Distort Paul's letters as they do the other scriptures to their
1:07:44
own destruction. He is calling Paul's letters in
1:07:47
the New Testament scripture. And how did the Bereans respond
1:07:52
to Paul's scripture that he was revealing?
1:07:54
Acts 1710 through 12. As soon as it was night, the
1:07:58
believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea.
1:08:01
On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue.
1:08:04
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in
1:08:07
Thessalonia, for they received the message with great eagerness
1:08:11
and examine the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was
1:08:15
true. As a result, many of them
1:08:18
believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and
1:08:23
many Greek men. So the Bereans didn't just take
1:08:27
Paul's word for it, even though Paul's word was Scripture
1:08:31
according to Peter. They actually compared what Paul
1:08:34
was saying to what the other Scriptures were saying, which at
1:08:37
this time would have been primarily the Old Testament and
1:08:43
maybe some of the Gospels, because I don't remember exactly
1:08:47
when Acts was put out. But Mark and Matthew may have
1:08:50
already been written by this time.
1:08:52
So they may have also compared those to what Paul was writing.
1:08:56
But the point. Is they didn't just take.
1:08:58
Paul's word for it. They examined the scriptures for
1:09:01
themselves, and when they found out what Paul was saying, lined
1:09:05
up with what the rest of the scriptures were saying, they
1:09:07
converted. They didn't just take Paul's
1:09:10
word for it. And yet we see the opposite
1:09:13
attitude and Catholicism as iterated by Sarah here.
1:09:17
Well, you know, I'm just going to let this guy who's wiser and
1:09:21
smarter than me interpret the Bible for me because he's done
1:09:24
the work and he's been through all the battles, and I'm just
1:09:28
going to, I don't want to do all that.
1:09:31
I just can't imagine being that kind of.
1:09:32
Person, but I just can't. But then there's her last point,
1:09:36
which is the union of the physical and spiritual, a
1:09:41
pattern that I've noticed in Protestant circles.
1:09:43
Is that anything material is often discarded as either
1:09:47
meaningless or inherently bad, a belief that borders on the
1:09:50
heresy of Gnosticism. This is seen in attitudes
1:09:54
regarding icons, statues, rosaries, holy water, and of
1:09:57
course the Euro Crest. However, Catholic theology
1:10:00
affirms that both the material and the spiritual realms are
1:10:03
real and are deeply intertwined, just like humans are both
1:10:07
physical and spiritual beings. Physical objects can have
1:10:10
spiritual significance as well. Well, that's not Catholic
1:10:14
theology. That's the Bible, so.
1:10:18
You're just saying what the? Bible says at that point I mean
1:10:22
the churches. I've been in.
1:10:24
Have not really for the most part taught this idea that the
1:10:28
physical is meaningless. Because she is right.
1:10:31
That is a gnostic attitude that was a real problem back in the
1:10:36
history of the early church. But she continues on.
1:10:40
The Catholic belief that the baptism, the Eurochrist and the
1:10:43
anointing of the sick are not symbolic but are ways for God to
1:10:46
reach us spiritually deeply resonated with me.
1:10:50
While I used to think that Catholic traditions and
1:10:52
sacraments were boring and pointless, I now see them as
1:10:55
mystical and transcendent. Knowing that consecrated bread
1:10:58
and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus has
1:11:02
opened my eyes to what true worship is.
1:11:05
Not singing Christian pop songs, but partaking in the sacrifice
1:11:09
Jesus made for us. Wow, so she actually believes
1:11:14
that the consecrated bread and the wine they take at communion
1:11:18
actually becomes the body of Jesus and the blood of Jesus?
1:11:23
Like literally, not metaphorically, not symbolically
1:11:27
literally, but we see in the. New Testament.
1:11:31
That Jesus called people to eat his flesh and drink his blood,
1:11:35
and yet none of his apostles ran around eating his literal flesh
1:11:39
and drinking his literal blood. It's obvious from the New
1:11:43
Testament that it's symbolic. The bread symbolized Jesus's
1:11:48
body. The wine that they had at the
1:11:50
Last Supper represented Jesus's blood.
1:11:54
It's all symbolic, not literal. The Catholics came up with this
1:11:59
tradition that says that it literally became Jesus body.
1:12:03
The bread, din and the wine or the juice or whatever you drink
1:12:07
literally becomes the blood of Jesus when you go through this
1:12:10
Catholic tradition. But once again.
1:12:13
We have a case of. Catholics making up a tradition
1:12:17
that contradicts the Scriptures, and because it's a sacred
1:12:21
tradition, because it's an Apostolic tradition that Trump's
1:12:26
the scriptures, and we'll go with the tradition once again,
1:12:29
something that Jesus point blank condemned when the Jews did it.
1:12:34
So I'm just, she really ended this on a banger because yeah,
1:12:40
it sounds like. Go ahead, she's literally
1:12:44
adhering to. Traditions that contradict the
1:12:47
scriptures, and the very concept of adhering to traditions over
1:12:51
scripture is literally condemned by Jesus.
1:12:53
So the part that I really feel for this girl on, she may
1:12:58
actually be deluded enough to think that being a Roman
1:13:02
Catholic is going to grow her closer to God.
1:13:04
But in reality, she's doing the very things that Jesus condemned
1:13:09
in the 1st century. She's doing the very things that
1:13:12
the Jewish leaders and all the other religious leaders of Jesus
1:13:16
time were doing because back in that time, they too had their
1:13:20
own traditions that they were putting on par with scripture in
1:13:24
terms of authority and then setting aside the contrary
1:13:27
scriptures in favor of their traditions.
1:13:30
So I don't know how this happened, but apparently when
1:13:34
the Jews did it, it's bad, but when Catholics do it, it's OK.
1:13:38
That's what I'm getting from the Catholic Church when it comes to
1:13:42
this all apostolistic tradition that doesn't come from
1:13:46
Scripture, but we adhere to it anyway.
1:13:49
I have a real problem with that. I mean, you're not really a
1:13:52
Bible believing Christian at that point.
1:13:54
You're really just a traditionist.
1:13:58
You're following traditions made-up by men, and you only
1:14:01
adhere to the parts of the Bible that don't contradict that
1:14:04
tradition. Because as soon as it does,
1:14:07
tradition wins. And the Jews did it all the
1:14:11
time. Jesus condemned them for it.
1:14:14
And so this, this very thing right here, which is not, not a
1:14:18
new thing, it's something that Protestants and Baptists and
1:14:21
other critics of Roman Catholicism have been pointing
1:14:24
out for time in memoriam. No, the consecrated bread does
1:14:27
not literally become the body of Jesus.
1:14:30
No, the wine or juice that you're drinking does not
1:14:33
literally become Jesus's blood. No, no, no, no.
1:14:36
It's all symbolic. Bible makes it clear, but Bible
1:14:40
means nothing compared to apostolistic tradition.
1:14:45
But that is the entire article. These are her reasons why she
1:14:49
left behind Protestantism and converted to Catholicism.
1:14:54
And honestly, I'm horrified for, you know, for someone.
1:14:58
Who runs? Around on the Internet and in
1:15:00
the society and puts herself out there as a serious intellectual
1:15:04
heavyweight who's championing Christian conservative values.
1:15:10
The lack of thinking, the lack of research, the blatant
1:15:14
adherence to tradition over scripture in regards to some of
1:15:18
the things she's espousing here is horrifying to me.
1:15:21
Because even if she is right about other things going on in
1:15:25
society, and even if she does lead people out of like leftism
1:15:31
or, you know, adhering to the globalist narrative on certain
1:15:34
things, she's not leading them to a place of spiritual health.
1:15:39
She's unintentionally most likely leading them to a place
1:15:43
of spiritual bondage and decay. She's literally leading them in
1:15:47
rebellion against the Lord that she claims to adhere to.
1:15:51
When she engages in a religion that puts tradition on par with
1:15:56
scripture and then in practice sets the scripture aside for the
1:15:59
tradition. That's what she's doing, whether
1:16:02
she realizes it or not. And considering the lack of
1:16:05
research in this article, I'm thinking maybe she's just really
1:16:09
ignorant about some things because even she admitted
1:16:12
earlier in the article that she's not that well versed on
1:16:15
Catholic doctrine, so I don't mean.
1:16:18
Birth. Darn.
1:16:19
Protestants either. It seems like she's a young lady
1:16:24
who's looking for something that's pretty.
1:16:26
She likes sparkly things. And I mean, to be fair, I've
1:16:30
lived in Saint Louis before. If you walk down the street and
1:16:34
you see a Catholic Church, they look like Gothic cathedrals.
1:16:38
Some of them have gargoyles on them.
1:16:39
They look all crazy looking, and they look like they have some
1:16:43
kind of powerful aura about them.
1:16:45
But you know, and the stained glass and the stained.
1:16:48
Glass, you know, inside the cathedrals, you know that have
1:16:51
all the artwork on them. The the thing that I'll put.
1:16:54
Out there, I guess one of one of the things that always confused
1:16:58
me, even whenever I was an unbeliever, was the idea really
1:17:02
for Christians is we want to build a personal relationship
1:17:06
with Jesus. Now, if I were to tell you I've
1:17:08
got a close relationship with TTOR, but I talked to a dead
1:17:14
family member in order to communicate with him, or I need
1:17:18
to talk to some person named Susie, and then Susie relays the
1:17:22
message to TTR, you couldn't really call that a close
1:17:26
connection with TTR, right? The point of this is, is God is
1:17:31
described as an entity, as omniscient, omnipresent, all
1:17:35
knowing. It is not needed for me to walk
1:17:38
into a cardboard box and have a conversation with some old man
1:17:41
who will probably forget me within 5 minutes of leaving the
1:17:45
place. If I want God to work in my
1:17:47
life, I can talk directly to God anywhere at any time.
1:17:53
There's no point in all that other nonsense.
1:17:56
And as far as the statues and engraving images, the Old
1:17:59
Testament speaks very clearly of that.
1:18:02
That's why I don't give the Catholicism much merit.
1:18:06
And the fact that they hide information in their archives
1:18:10
and all that, and not being transparent tells me that
1:18:14
somehow, someway, they have become the liars of society.
1:18:20
Yeah, and as I mentioned a couple.
1:18:22
Times earlier, the whole issue of the pedophile priests and how
1:18:25
the Catholic Church didn't deal with them and instead shuffle
1:18:29
them around and hid them from people.
1:18:32
That kind of rubs people the wrong way too.
1:18:34
So in addition to all the things you just said, that's another
1:18:38
thing that people will not forget or let go.
1:18:41
I mean, I remember about 10-12, maybe even like during my
1:18:46
college years, like 15 years ago, I remember I used to hear
1:18:49
all the time about the whole pedophile priests trope.
1:18:53
And basically it was like part of pop culture back in the day
1:18:57
to slam on the Catholic Church because of the pedophile priests
1:19:00
issue. But yeah, I.
1:19:03
Hear someone like her. Say, Oh yeah, every priest that
1:19:06
Catholicism has is blessed by God.
1:19:09
I'm like, uh huh. Right.
1:19:13
Well, the Bible's. Very clear that if you cause a
1:19:16
little 1 to stumble or have any kind of issue whatsoever, Jesus
1:19:20
says that it's better to tie a basically something around your
1:19:24
neck attached to a rock, jump off in the sea and get lost
1:19:27
forever. So for those priests who did
1:19:31
that, they basically endorsed the torture and torment of
1:19:35
innocent children, even if they didn't lay their hands on it.
1:19:39
The fact that they supported and tried to protect those who
1:19:43
victimized children, they're I, I believe they're on their way
1:19:46
to hell. That's just my view though.
1:19:48
If anyone wants to argue, I'm always open ears.
1:19:53
Right. Well, I just put out the invite
1:19:57
link for guests in the chats for Proverbs guy on YouTube and
1:20:02
Twitch and Twitter. And I also put it in the chats
1:20:06
of my Rumbles channel and my quarter and FTJ media stream.
1:20:09
So anyone watching this who wants to get on and you at least
1:20:14
have a working microphone, we are ready to take you on and
1:20:18
talk about whatever you want. Oh, one thing I didn't notice,
1:20:22
Brett. OK, go ahead.
1:20:25
I was just going. To say the one thing I noticed.
1:20:27
At the end of her article that might actually explain why she
1:20:30
has popularity to begin with is that she used to be a
1:20:34
contributor to both Rebel News and the Babylon B.
1:20:38
So as popular as the Babylon B is, I can see where she would
1:20:42
have gotten followers based off of just her contributions to
1:20:46
that satirical publication Babylon B.
1:20:49
Isn't that the? Same, it's like a parody channel
1:20:52
where they have Satan always on video right talking about how
1:20:55
great it is to do abortion. Yeah, they have video skits on.
1:21:00
YouTube and other places, but they also write articles on
1:21:03
their website. That's how they grew initially.
1:21:06
Was the articles. I read those a lot.
1:21:08
There are a lot of Babylon B articles are just hilarious.
1:21:13
No, I'm I'm like you. What?
1:21:14
You were talking about earlier when it comes to the view of I
1:21:18
do believe that if a Catholic accepts Jesus Christ and has
1:21:23
them in their heart and all that and they're trying to do the
1:21:25
best they can, not deliberately trying to be a a false teacher
1:21:29
or false bad person. Now they get some leeway.
1:21:34
But if they know better and they've actually read the Bible,
1:21:37
yet they're still praying to the dead and praying the statues and
1:21:40
all this, this is a serious problem.
1:21:42
This is no more different than the Mormons trying to baptize
1:21:45
corpses as far as I'm concerned. That's it's just not acceptable.
1:21:50
It's not biblical and it's more on the lines of something you'd
1:21:55
hear from a Satanic ritual. And I'm not kidding.
1:21:58
You know, I spent over a year talking to Satanist and I I
1:22:02
can't tell the difference between some of the traditions
1:22:05
of Catholicism from the Satanic Church.
1:22:10
Right. And another good.
1:22:11
Example of that is actually the whole concept of Mary being the
1:22:15
Queen of Heaven. There's some parts of the
1:22:18
Catechism and other Catholic sources that actually call her
1:22:22
the Queen of Heaven, which by the way is the same title that
1:22:27
we see in the Book of Jeremiah talking about Ishtar the Pagan
1:22:33
goddess. So when they.
1:22:36
Worship. Mary as the Queen of Heaven.
1:22:39
They have literally fallen for Ishtar worship repackaged in a
1:22:44
Christian guise, IE the Virgin Mary.
1:22:48
Right. And I hope no.
1:22:49
One out there when you listen to this later when there's an
1:22:52
audience paying attention to video.
1:22:54
I'm in no way at all this seeing Mary and I believe that she is
1:22:59
very, very special. Obviously she she raised Jesus
1:23:03
Christ whenever he was a child and all that and she probably
1:23:06
does have a good place in heaven.
1:23:08
I'm sure with God, but the idea of praying to her and worshiping
1:23:13
her and all that, that's that is something that I I don't think
1:23:17
that Jesus asked to happen or the Father God for anybody to do
1:23:23
something like that. No reason, no point for it.
1:23:26
She can be revered, but not there's no point in praying to
1:23:30
her. She like all the other men of
1:23:32
the Bible and humans who have died, they rest in death right
1:23:37
now waiting for the return of Christ there.
1:23:39
They can't even hear you at the moment.
1:23:43
Yes, that is a good. There's a lot of good points you
1:23:46
brought up, but your overall point is 1.
1:23:48
I agree with too, and I should probably say this as well.
1:23:52
So even though I'm slamming on the veneration of Mary concept,
1:23:56
that does not mean I have a low opinion of Mary, Jesus's earthly
1:24:01
mother from the 1st century. She obviously was a faithful
1:24:06
servant of the Lord because God chose her to be the one to give
1:24:11
birth to Jesus in the 1st century.
1:24:12
Now my opinion is that the reason why he chose her is not
1:24:16
because she was sinless or anything like that.
1:24:20
No, she was a servant of the Lord.
1:24:22
And he knew that if he asked her to be the woman who bears Jesus,
1:24:28
she would say yes and she would walk it out and she would not,
1:24:33
you know, turn away from that. That's why he chose her, because
1:24:38
she would answer the call. I think it's that simple.
1:24:42
And she was even willing to risk being divorced by Joseph over
1:24:46
it. Well, there's.
1:24:48
There's more than that. For those who've actually read
1:24:50
the Bible out there, I think that God realized that she would
1:24:54
be. She was the type of person where
1:24:57
she would have been willing to die in order to protect Jesus
1:25:00
whenever he was in the vulnerable state of being a
1:25:03
baby. So she, I mean, she did
1:25:05
everything possible to get rid of, I believe Herod sent all
1:25:09
those men to go kill all those children trying to find Jesus
1:25:13
and all that. She went through a lot.
1:25:16
There's no way she can be disrespected on the effort she
1:25:19
made to be there for Jesus and all that.
1:25:22
But she is never, there's never once where any of the disciples
1:25:27
or Christ himself said that we ought to pray to her any of
1:25:29
that. Respect her, yes.
1:25:32
But she, like every other human being on the planet, sadly,
1:25:35
unfortunately is asleep right now.
1:25:37
They don't hear you and statues don't hear you either.
1:25:43
Oh. You know what I just thought of?
1:25:44
Brett, I don't have it on a tab right now, but I just remembered
1:25:48
a story in one of the gospels where it says that Jesus was now
1:25:52
speaking at a House of his disciples.
1:25:54
And there was a bunch of people you know, around them listening
1:25:56
to him preach and says that his mother, Mary and other family
1:26:00
members came to get Jesus, saying that he was out of his
1:26:04
mind. And someone told Jesus, hey,
1:26:07
your mother and your brothers are here to get you.
1:26:10
And then Jesus turns to his disciples and says, here are my
1:26:14
mother's and my brothers. So obviously Mary was.
1:26:19
Not sinless or perfect if she actually thought Jesus was out
1:26:24
of his mind at any point during his earthly ministry.
1:26:29
Well, I don't know if people remember.
1:26:31
I don't know if people remember, but there was an incident where
1:26:34
Jesus was a child and he would like to go up into the
1:26:37
synagogues and all that I believe is what it was called.
1:26:40
And Mary got anxious and she's like, you know, where is he at?
1:26:45
What's he doing? And then when she finally finds
1:26:47
him, she's like, what are you doing?
1:26:49
You, you didn't tell me where you were going or anything like
1:26:52
that. And he said woman.
1:26:54
He said, woman, I'm going about my, you know, God's business.
1:26:58
So you know, she if she fully 100% had the trust and the
1:27:05
faith, and I'm not saying that she didn't, but she wouldn't
1:27:08
have questioned then she would have known God would protect
1:27:11
Christ, right, right. Well, and her.
1:27:15
Her defense, her and Joseph didn't even realize that he had
1:27:19
stayed behind, which I don't know how you do that one, But
1:27:23
somehow they went on a day's journey without realizing that
1:27:26
Jesus wasn't with them. So they had to come all the way
1:27:29
back and they had to look for him.
1:27:30
And I can understand why she would have been, you know,
1:27:35
responding the way she did because we're talking about a
1:27:38
couple days of just total panic looking for Jesus, especially
1:27:42
when he considered that before he was even born, Herod was
1:27:45
trying to have him killed. And basically they had to run to
1:27:49
Egypt to flee that persecution. And then they had to come back.
1:27:53
They found out someone else who would do the same thing was in
1:27:56
power. And so they had to go back to
1:27:57
Nazareth to raise Jesus. So I can understand her concern
1:28:02
because there were people trying to try to pre abort Jesus before
1:28:07
he was even born. So kind of like the Terminator.
1:28:10
I clearly get it. I'm a I'm a parent.
1:28:13
So if one of my if my children when they were toddlers or or
1:28:17
even a young age disappeared on me even for an hour, I would
1:28:22
have had a panic attack. I would have lost my mind over
1:28:24
it. So I get it.
1:28:26
I'm just pointing out really what Jesus, how he responded.
1:28:30
He's like, this is my business. This is what I do.
1:28:33
You know, this is how Christ rolls, right?
1:28:40
Oh one thing I wanted to screen share.
1:28:43
Because I, I keep mentioning early, I meant keep mentioning
1:28:46
throughout the stream that the Catholic faith teaches that Mary
1:28:51
is a mediator between US and Jesus.
1:28:54
And that basically the way it works is that you go to Mary and
1:28:59
then she relays what you say to her to Jesus and then he relays
1:29:02
it to God. And basically that's how the
1:29:03
mediation works. Well, when you actually read the
1:29:07
Bible, you read something just a wee bit different, just a little
1:29:12
different. I'm just going to put it on the
1:29:14
screen here and then switch it and then do this so in first.
1:29:22
Timothy 2. One through 7 we read.
1:29:25
I urge then, first of all that petitions, prayers,
1:29:28
intercession, and Thanksgiving be made for all people, for
1:29:30
kings and all those in authority, that we may live
1:29:33
peaceful and quiet lives and all godliness and holiness.
1:29:36
This is good and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to
1:29:39
be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
1:29:42
Now this is the important verse, for there is one God and one
1:29:48
mediator between God and mankind.
1:29:51
The man Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all people, this
1:29:55
has now been witness to at the proper time.
1:29:58
And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an
1:30:00
apostle. I am telling the truth, I am not
1:30:02
lying and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.
1:30:07
So first Timothy chapter 2 verse 5 says that there is one
1:30:14
mediator between God and mankind and it's Jesus.
1:30:20
But the Catholics tell you that there's actually 2 mediators
1:30:24
between God and mankind, Mary and Jesus, and you go to her
1:30:29
first and she goes to Jesus and he goes to God.
1:30:34
So that's why I. Keep saying.
1:30:35
That they teach this and that it's a heresy, it's because they
1:30:38
do teach it. As we can see on the screen.
1:30:41
That is blatant heresy because the Bible specifically says
1:30:46
there's only one mediator between God and man, and
1:30:48
Catholics teach there's 2 so. That's where the tradition.
1:30:53
Trumping the scripture comes into play for them.
1:30:56
I just realized as I fought out the stream, I brought that up
1:30:58
several times, but I didn't bring that particular point up.
1:31:03
But yet got that out of the way. Well, I'm still here, man.
1:31:09
Just been listening to you making points on that.
1:31:12
I in, in the future when you decide that you need to, you
1:31:17
know, put somebody in their place and now that'll deal with
1:31:20
issues. Can you give me a little bit of
1:31:23
a heads up so I can do some research?
1:31:24
That way I'm not sitting here like a duck in a barrel.
1:31:29
Yeah, I get it. I I didn't even think that you
1:31:31
were going to be in this stream, so my bad Well, you know how it
1:31:34
is when. TTR is going to live stream or
1:31:37
Steven Brett Keane's got to be there somewhere, somewhere.
1:31:43
Even if it's just in the banner. But I get you.
1:31:47
I mean you read off. Directly her views and her ideas
1:31:50
and all that. She sounds like a a Pumpkinhead.
1:31:53
She doesn't seem to know what she stood for to begin with, and
1:31:57
now she's shocked by all the sparkly things.
1:31:59
Catholicism goes for Notice and none of what you showed us and
1:32:06
talked about and none of it it was that, you know, scripture
1:32:11
became really more clear. She's basically saying she needs
1:32:15
somebody to talk to her about it because she just, I guess,
1:32:19
suffers from some kind of literacy issue.
1:32:23
Well, I think. She doesn't want to do that
1:32:25
difficult work of understanding things for herself because
1:32:28
notice how she seems to be comforted emotionally when she
1:32:32
talks about how well you know this priest who did all this
1:32:36
work for me. When reading and understanding
1:32:39
the scriptures, well, he's an authority figure giving what's
1:32:43
probably the correct interpretation of scripture, so
1:32:46
I should just let him do all the interpreting and I just need to
1:32:49
accept what he says. That's the kind of thing that
1:32:53
atheists have a field day with, and why so many atheists think
1:32:57
that Christians in general just believe whatever their pastors
1:33:01
or their priests tell them because of stuff like that.
1:33:05
Now we know where that trope comes.
1:33:07
From. Yeah, I agree with you.
1:33:14
It's just. You know and.
1:33:17
If I didn't say this strongly enough before, when I when I'm
1:33:20
criticizing her like I do and then I react the way I do, it's
1:33:25
not because I think she's a horrible deceiver who's an
1:33:28
intentionally deceiving people. I think it's pretty obvious from
1:33:31
what I read that she's ignorant and she doesn't realize what
1:33:35
she's doing. And she fell for, you know, she
1:33:39
fell for a con, basically. And the reason why I react the
1:33:42
way I do is because she fell for a con.
1:33:44
And she has this really big Internet platform that reaches a
1:33:48
lot of people. And if those people, or even if
1:33:51
a fraction of those people believe what she's selling them
1:33:54
hook, line and sinker, they too can be LED astray.
1:33:58
So it's kind of important. Sometimes you got to stop the
1:34:01
show and go, hey, wait a minute, something's really wrong here
1:34:05
with your reasons why you converted to the Catholic faith
1:34:07
from Protestantism. Someone's got to tell her.
1:34:11
And I doubt she'll ever see this stream.
1:34:13
But other people who might follow her hopefully will see
1:34:17
this stream and they'll realize, oh, yeah, she's off on that.
1:34:23
She might be right about all these other things culturally
1:34:25
that's going on, but she's wrong on this one.
1:34:29
And that's really. The heart I have is.
1:34:31
That hopefully people who follow her and don't realize the truth
1:34:36
about her conversion to Catholicism, as far as her
1:34:39
reasons for it, they'll be the ones who come up later and go,
1:34:42
oh, I never realized that before.
1:34:45
Oh, I didn't know Catholicism taught that.
1:34:48
Oh my goodness, I didn't realize that contradicted scripture.
1:34:51
That's the kind of reaction I'm hoping for, those people kind of
1:34:55
reminds. Me of something ironically, that
1:34:58
I heard just a couple days ago, You know, I like to go listen to
1:35:02
streams and see what people are thinking and talking about and
1:35:05
all that. And I I was looking for live
1:35:09
stuff and I came across a channel that apparently was
1:35:13
atheist. Well, I get over there and I
1:35:15
hear this guy talking to this atheist, and he goes, yeah, I've
1:35:19
been a Christian for a long time, but I've been thinking
1:35:22
about walking away because, well, it turns out I'm a
1:35:25
homosexual. And I don't know if, you know,
1:35:28
the church likes me or not. And I'm like, oh, that's
1:35:31
beautiful. So you have some kind of sexual
1:35:34
desires and ambitions. So you're going to go just
1:35:38
because you know, God doesn't agree with your sexuality.
1:35:41
That's that's brilliant. You know, so it sounds like
1:35:45
that. It sounds like people they want
1:35:47
to be a part of a community that tickles their ears and Pats them
1:35:52
on the back for no matter what sins they decide to do.
1:35:57
Right. That's what a lot of people are
1:35:59
like. Oh, there's.
1:36:02
Also another. Reason why it's important to
1:36:04
respond to her reasons why she became a Catholic because she
1:36:09
held up in her brief mention of it, the Catechism as a cat of
1:36:13
the Catholic Church, as an authority on all of these
1:36:16
different moral issues. Well, that's a problem because
1:36:20
if you actually read the Catechism of the Catholic Church
1:36:23
in its entirety and not just the points that sound, you know,
1:36:28
pretty inoffensive, the cataclysm of the Catholic Church
1:36:32
actually teaches that we can become God, like God.
1:36:37
And I'm going to show that on screen so that nobody has to
1:36:40
take my word for it because that's not how we roll here.
1:36:44
Let's move it right over. It's Catechism of the Catholic
1:36:48
Church, and it is in Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 3,
1:36:54
paragraph one. This is #460.
1:36:59
It says why did. The Word become flesh.
1:37:02
The Word became flesh to make us partakers of the divine nature.
1:37:07
For This is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became
1:37:10
the Son of man. So that man, by entering into
1:37:13
communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might
1:37:17
become a Son of God. For the Son of Man or sorry for
1:37:22
the Son of God became man so that we might become God.
1:37:29
Yeah. Yeah.
1:37:31
Catholicism teaches that we can become God.
1:37:36
Yeah. That's another reason why I
1:37:40
rejected Catholicism wholesale. Many years ago I came across
1:37:45
this passage and I went, Oh well, this is wrong.
1:37:50
And of course for the part that says partakers of the divine
1:37:53
nature, they have second Peter chapter one verse 4 as a
1:37:57
footnote. So I went to that passage,
1:37:59
obviously to check it out. It does not even remotely
1:38:03
suggest that we can become God like this passage in the
1:38:09
Catechism of the Catholic Church says.
1:38:11
So think about. That if you're.
1:38:13
Watching this and you're thinking about giving
1:38:16
Catholicism a serious hearing. As a Christian, think twice
1:38:21
about that. It literally teaches in
1:38:24
Catholicism that we can become gods like Yahweh.
1:38:28
That's a big red flag. No no, biblically speaking.
1:38:33
I mean that's literally the lie that Satan used to get Adam and
1:38:38
Eve to eat the forbidden fruit and fall into sin.
1:38:42
He literally told Eve, hey, you eat this fruit, you'll become
1:38:46
just like God. And what did she do?
1:38:50
And then what did Adam do when? She came to him.
1:38:52
No, no, no, no. That's literally the same thing.
1:38:57
The Catechism. Of the Catholic Church teaches
1:38:59
it teaches that we can become God like God.
1:39:03
Same lie. And that's one of that's one of
1:39:09
the reasons among many why I find Catholicism to be what a
1:39:13
false religion. And two, I find it horrifying
1:39:16
when Bible believing Christians or these people who claim to be
1:39:19
Bible believing Christians start to fall for it.
1:39:21
It's like, guys, just read the official stuff.
1:39:24
And then, of course, Catholics will sometimes play it off as
1:39:27
like, well, yeah, the cacheism of the Catholic Church might say
1:39:30
that, but that's not relevant to my church.
1:39:35
OK. Just ignore your official,
1:39:38
official documents that teach what your religion teaches.
1:39:42
Just ignore that. It's funny because.
1:39:45
Ironically it's same thing as the Mormons, but they also offer
1:39:49
God a planet as well. You know you become God like and
1:39:53
then you possess your own world. Exactly.
1:39:57
Yeah, Mormons. Are giving us a better deal.
1:40:00
We don't just become like God. We got our own planet and we can
1:40:03
create whatever we want on it. We'll just be.
1:40:05
It'll be amazing. We get to actually be God.
1:40:08
It's like the celestial version of The Sims.
1:40:12
I got into a discussion. Recently with Mormons about that
1:40:16
I said what if a person's been married several times though, or
1:40:19
even 3 times? And do all the wives share the
1:40:22
planet? Oh they all get their own
1:40:24
planet. And I said well as nice as it is
1:40:27
having a pretty planet, being alone aren't.
1:40:30
It doesn't sound very sound like a person would go mentally ill
1:40:34
after a while. With that they go, well, you
1:40:36
know, most likely one of the wives will choose.
1:40:39
So unless they're made to be put right, they're in a like your
1:40:44
own brand of paradise. It's going to be awfully
1:40:47
miserable. Yeah, yeah.
1:40:53
Especially if you're talking about fundamentalist Mormons
1:40:56
because they still practice polygamy.
1:40:58
Oh, that's even worse. Because remember in.
1:41:04
Mormonism. When you get married to someone,
1:41:06
you are with them. Not just for all of this life on
1:41:10
earth, you're with them. Afterlife.
1:41:14
That's right, course that of course it's not as bad.
1:41:18
As being a woman in Islam, because in Islam if you're a
1:41:23
Muslima and you're married to a Muslim man and he has multiple
1:41:27
wives during your life on earth. What you discover is that
1:41:31
according to Islam, when you get to the afterlife, there are
1:41:34
these creatures called Hori's that are basically like these
1:41:39
beautiful, luptious, amazing like winged women that are
1:41:45
perpetual virgins like. And Muslim men will spend all
1:41:48
eternity deflowering these Hori's and their virginity will
1:41:52
just regenerate after each time. So basically the Muslim men will
1:41:56
have at least 70 if not more of these creatures that he'll be
1:41:59
banging for all eternity. And his wives that he brought in
1:42:03
from Earth will just be sitting on the sidelines spectating
1:42:06
during this. That's rough, ma'am.
1:42:12
And that's why Andrew Tate converted to.
1:42:14
Islam. Just kidding.
1:42:17
Yeah, I've. Seen some of his videos.
1:42:21
That's a very narcissistic man you speak of.
1:42:25
Oh yeah, A. Very prideful man, too.
1:42:28
Very arrogant. Yeah.
1:42:30
Oh hey, apparently, Sarah earlier today said on Twitter in
1:42:39
response to some person. I I you know I might have to
1:42:46
screen. Share this one, Go ahead,
1:42:50
because this is actually kind of kind of funny.
1:42:52
I didn't know this about her. Well, maybe I should have
1:42:55
guessed. No, I am not the main show.
1:43:04
This is the main show. So someone who calls themselves
1:43:08
SF Post said in response to her on some other tweet.
1:43:12
What's unreasonable is that while you decry feminism and
1:43:15
promote traditional marriage, you yourself are an unmarried
1:43:18
career woman. Stop grifting, she said in
1:43:21
response. That's dumb.
1:43:23
You don't have to be married to know what a good marriage looks
1:43:27
like. In fact, you should have
1:43:28
examples of good marriages to look to before you're married so
1:43:32
that you can model yours after them.
1:43:35
And they said in response you completely missed the point.
1:43:38
My point is that you claim to be traditional while at the same
1:43:41
time being unmarried and working the career.
1:43:44
If you were so traditional you would already be married.
1:43:48
To which she said I'm 21 and they said OK and many people got
1:43:54
married at 2150 years ago. Instead you're wasting your time
1:43:58
on jubilee episodes debating homosexuals.
1:44:01
Why aren't you trying to find a husband?
1:44:03
I know you would have many takers.
1:44:06
And that is? True, that is one of.
1:44:08
The things that has happened in our society is that we've been.
1:44:14
I guess we've been conditioned for.
1:44:16
Lack of a better phrase to basically put off getting
1:44:19
married until certain things are in place, which back in the day,
1:44:24
those things used to be in place at a much earlier age so you
1:44:26
could get married at 18 to 21 years old.
1:44:30
But now, because of the way the economy is and the way society
1:44:33
is, among other factors, basically people are not getting
1:44:38
married until they're like in their 30s now, when they're.
1:44:41
Basically at the end of. Their fertility and so it's hard
1:44:47
to. Be traditional at.
1:44:49
That point because you basically spend your prime fertility years
1:44:53
and your prime years of your life where it would be the
1:44:55
perfect time to have some children and raise a family.
1:44:59
They're they're putting that off until they're way older.
1:45:03
And so hopefully Sarah gets married in a few years avoid
1:45:06
that. But it is a real thing.
1:45:09
There is some benefits to getting.
1:45:11
Married. It's only rough on you if you
1:45:14
end up bringing children into the equation.
1:45:17
That's where things start getting expensive.
1:45:19
But if you have a partner, you're going to be able to pay
1:45:22
your bills easier, especially if you're both working.
1:45:25
So it actually plays out well. Even in the economy that we have
1:45:28
nowadays. It's just the children thing
1:45:31
that can be a problem nowadays. Daycare can cost you thousands
1:45:36
of dollars and all that. That's ridiculous.
1:45:39
And it also makes it difficult to be a a middle class person or
1:45:44
in the poor category and pay for right.
1:45:47
But that's what. That's But that's what part of
1:45:50
the whole traditional life thing is that Sarah Stock apparently
1:45:53
is a promoter of It's the old way of the husband basically
1:45:57
earns enough money to pay for everything.
1:45:59
The woman doesn't have to work. The wife can just stay home,
1:46:02
take care of the house, raise the children, educate the
1:46:06
children as best as she can. And then basically they do life
1:46:10
together when he's home from work.
1:46:12
And what we've seen over time is that things in society have
1:46:17
forced it to where men and women both have to work just to pay
1:46:21
the bills and be able to live with any kind of comfort at all.
1:46:24
And then when you have kids, like you said, that adds a whole
1:46:27
other stress and things get a lot tougher.
1:46:30
And yeah, it's just hard to be truly traditional in that sense
1:46:35
because we live in a society where for the most part, unless
1:46:39
you're like, wealthy, you as a man can't make enough by
1:46:43
yourself to pay for everything. And a lot of cases, you do need
1:46:48
to work. You have your wife work as well
1:46:50
to be able to do things like they used to be able to do back
1:46:53
in the 50s and 60s. And then that's where the
1:46:56
daycare thing comes in. If both the husband and the wife
1:46:59
have to work, then they obviously can't raise the kid
1:47:02
during the day. So they get sent off this public
1:47:04
school, they get sent off to daycare.
1:47:06
They have their after school activities and clubs and all
1:47:10
that. That's all the result of the
1:47:13
traditional lifestyle that these people promote.
1:47:18
That's what. Happens when you move.
1:47:19
Away from that is you get what we're at today, which I know in
1:47:24
some. Cases.
1:47:26
It's the way things work out like I envisioned for myself
1:47:30
growing up that by the time I was in my mid 20s, I'd be
1:47:34
graduated from college, I'd be married, I'd maybe have one or
1:47:38
two kids, and I'd have this well established job and a journalism
1:47:43
organization of some kind. Little did I know that I would
1:47:47
end up spending all the way up until my early 30s working in a
1:47:52
caregiving job and that I would not get married.
1:47:56
And I'm still not married even though I'm 35.
1:47:58
And it's only now that things that I envisioned having growing
1:48:01
up by my mid 20s are now starting to happen.
1:48:04
Like now I have my own house and now I finally do have a job in a
1:48:07
journalism related field. It's being ATV producer.
1:48:11
And so I figure at some point I'll probably get married.
1:48:14
But I was one of those people who grew up thinking I was going
1:48:17
to be married by my mid 20s. And there have been times in the
1:48:21
last 10 years where it's like, man, things have really not gone
1:48:24
the way that I thought they were going to.
1:48:27
And sometimes I'm really sad about that.
1:48:29
But then at other times, I'm thinking, well, yeah.
1:48:32
But if I was married and going down what I thought was going to
1:48:35
happen, I wouldn't have learned all the things I've learned.
1:48:37
I wouldn't have had the opportunities to meet the people
1:48:40
I've met like Brett, like seeking the truth, like Steven
1:48:44
Bullen, you know, Proverbs guy and all the other people that
1:48:48
I've met over time. I could never have envisioned
1:48:51
the good things that have happened in the last 10 years
1:48:54
happening if I had gone down that traditional road and I had
1:48:58
been married with kids around home by 25.
1:49:00
So it's kind of like I have mixed feelings about that.
1:49:03
Been a while since. I obviously had been on YouTube
1:49:07
last time I talked to you, you were in a pretty good
1:49:10
relationship. Is that still a thing for you?
1:49:15
No, it's. Over.
1:49:17
It's been over for two months. Apologize, I wasn't aware.
1:49:22
That probably should have asked you privately.
1:49:25
Sorry about that. It's OK.
1:49:28
Things just didn't work out. You got any?
1:49:33
Potential people you're looking at no.
1:49:38
Not, not for a while. I'm spending some time working
1:49:43
things out with a therapist. I would be more than.
1:49:47
Happy to introduce you to some females, but I understand how
1:49:52
strict you are about what type of relationship you'd want to
1:49:55
get in. And unfortunately, some of the
1:49:58
women that I know, they're not a how shall I say, they're not as
1:50:04
as spiritual as they should be, don't I?
1:50:07
I don't know if that'd be a good idea to throw you into something
1:50:10
like that. Probably not.
1:50:13
Now I'm going to, I've had a problem in the past of not
1:50:17
really taking time between relationships to figure out what
1:50:20
went wrong and then, you know, self improve with the help of
1:50:23
the Lord. So I'm really doing that right
1:50:26
now intentionally. I'm intentionally staying away
1:50:29
from relationships to work on those things so that that way
1:50:33
when I get into another relationship at some point in
1:50:36
the future, I will have the tools I need to be able to make
1:50:40
that relationship work long term.
1:50:43
I don't want to find myself in the positions I found myself in
1:50:46
with past relationships. Me.
1:50:50
Are you there? I have.
1:50:51
I've had people off and are and asked me they said bro how have
1:50:54
you been able to keep your marriage for as long as you
1:50:57
have? And I say well it's simple.
1:50:59
You agree with everything that she says, and you don't hesitate
1:51:03
when she tells you to jump. I'm joking.
1:51:09
I'm being. Silly, I know.
1:51:11
I. Know.
1:51:15
Because that's all, yeah. Because I wish it worked out
1:51:19
that way, but it doesn't. I'm sorry, ma'am.
1:51:23
It's OK. It's been a couple of months.
1:51:26
I've been going through, you know, therapy with a counselor
1:51:30
and spending time in my Bible and focusing on doing the things
1:51:34
that I need to do. And it's, it's helping me.
1:51:38
So it's just a matter of time and God's will and just doing
1:51:42
what I need to do to not be stuck where I am spiritually,
1:51:47
emotionally, mentally in my life.
1:51:50
Just moving forward, I think moving into as a Christian, what
1:51:53
would you say? About something like this
1:51:56
because there might be other Christians who are in your
1:51:58
position are having this issue. Do you feel like a Christian
1:52:03
dating online is a good thing or worth the effort?
1:52:06
Or is it something you think people should stay away from?
1:52:12
I think it's best to. Stay away from dating apps.
1:52:17
Because one, if you're a guy. It's hard to get anyone to talk
1:52:21
to you in the 1st place no matter how good you look.
1:52:26
But but yeah, I I would recommend for Christians
1:52:30
watching this wondering where can I find good spouses or good,
1:52:35
you know, potential spouses really starts at your church.
1:52:40
You got to look at your. Church.
1:52:42
Because you're talking about women that are in your immediate
1:52:44
vicinity and in your circles. And basically you have a chance
1:52:49
to get to know them and see if they are, you know, worthy of
1:52:53
being a spouse Inquirer of the Lord and see if they're the ones
1:52:58
that he has for you. Which is something I tried
1:53:02
doing, but you're not always going to get it right because we
1:53:06
are not. I'm not talking about like.
1:53:08
TTR I'm not talking about something like Tinder or
1:53:11
something like that. I'm there are little Christian
1:53:14
dating sites now for Christian women and men who are having a
1:53:18
tough time. TTR where I'm at, I live out in
1:53:21
the country and if you attend any of the churches out here,
1:53:25
it's usually old people. I'm not, and I have no problem
1:53:29
with old people, but if you're a young person trying to find a
1:53:32
relationship, it can be tough because there's no women your
1:53:36
age if you're in that type of issue.
1:53:39
But what about Christian dating? There are Christian dating
1:53:43
sites. Yeah, I know.
1:53:47
I guess it depends on your circumstances and like if you're
1:53:50
in Brett's position where you're in a church where there's really
1:53:52
no young people, then you really have no choice but to look
1:53:56
through Christian dating apps in that particular scenario.
1:53:59
But if you're like in a fairly good sized town or city where
1:54:03
there's plenty of women your age roughly, then the best place to
1:54:08
meet them is in your church. But I think that would be the
1:54:12
optimal. Thing to do if you can, but if
1:54:14
you can't do that then I guess Christian dating apps will be
1:54:18
the next best thing. Going on to something like
1:54:21
Plenty of Fish or OkCupid is most likely not going to be how
1:54:25
you meet your Christian spouse, let's just put it that way.
1:54:29
How do you feel about age? Difference.
1:54:31
I know that you have this desire to be a father one day and all
1:54:35
this, but let's say you went to church and an older Christian
1:54:38
woman showed interest in you. How do you feel about that?
1:54:46
Well, the important thing. About that is that you have to
1:54:51
be willing to let God be in control so you meet someone that
1:54:57
would be a great fit for you and that God seems to be leading you
1:55:01
into as far as marriage goes, but it turns out that they're
1:55:04
older and may not be able to bear kids then you.
1:55:09
Have to be. Content with that because God's
1:55:13
in control and he will make things happen.
1:55:16
I mean, just look at Abram and Sarah in Genesis.
1:55:20
They were too old to have kids. But God said, yeah, you're going
1:55:23
to give birth to a son and he's going to, you know, be the
1:55:28
inheritor of yours, of your estate.
1:55:31
And he's going to basically, you know, go on to father a great
1:55:36
nation. So, yeah, you got to look at the
1:55:39
Bible and you got to think, OK, well, if God was in control then
1:55:43
and made stuff happen that didn't seem possible, then you
1:55:46
got it stands to reason that if you're in the position of, well,
1:55:50
you're in the church and the woman that you're interested in
1:55:53
being with is a lot older than you and probably beyond, maybe
1:55:57
beyond childbearing years, you have to make peace with that.
1:56:02
If God is leading you into that, now, if it's just a woman that
1:56:06
you find attractive and you guys are into each other, but God
1:56:10
isn't necessarily leading you into that, well then you
1:56:13
probably shouldn't. You should hear clearly from the
1:56:16
Lord. If you're a Christian and you're
1:56:18
looking for a spouse, you need to hear clearly from God before
1:56:21
you get into relationships with someone in the church that you
1:56:26
go. To Are there any females around
1:56:28
your age or at least close? Yeah, there are.
1:56:33
Have you made it? Absolutely clear to all the
1:56:36
women in the church that you are accessible, that you're
1:56:39
available. You don't keep quiet about it,
1:56:42
do you? No, I don't run.
1:56:46
Around advertising my singleness, I'm pretty busy
1:56:49
during the week when I'm there because I have a full time job
1:56:52
as ATV producer put in a lot of hours.
1:56:56
I do a lot of different projects every week.
1:56:58
So usually when I'm there, I'm pretty busy and I'm not
1:57:01
thinking, oh, advertise my singleness to the ladies.
1:57:06
Well, I I understand what you're.
1:57:08
Saying, but you, you got to realize that Christian women are
1:57:12
not going to approach you unless they think that you're
1:57:14
available. So you may want to throw out of
1:57:17
Blue's clues every once a while. You might want to say, you know,
1:57:20
between working and doing the things I've, I've tried to find
1:57:24
some time for other issues and, you know, just walk up to
1:57:28
somebody that you think is interesting and say, look, we're
1:57:32
both church attendees and I'd love to take you out to dinner
1:57:35
or something. Would you like to go see a
1:57:37
movie? Would you like to do that?
1:57:38
You got to put yourself out there in order to reel in the
1:57:41
fish guy. Yeah, Yep.
1:57:46
I know, but I. Will do that.
1:57:50
When the Lord directs me to, right now it's about focusing on
1:57:54
what's in front of me, which is this kind of stuff, the streams
1:57:59
and also my job at the church. And I know in mid June, about a
1:58:04
month, we start setting up for a fireworks season, which means
1:58:07
I'll be off the Internet for a month being a part of that.
1:58:10
So I miss you though. Yeah, well, it's I've done.
1:58:14
It the last two summers and I've gotten through it so I should be
1:58:18
fine. People have started.
1:58:21
To expect it at this point, I guess.
1:58:23
But yeah, so I will, I, I have a lot on my plate for the next few
1:58:28
months, so I can't really think about dating anyone because the
1:58:33
amount of stress that I will be under in a month for the next
1:58:37
month is insane. And it's not the kind of stress
1:58:41
you want to be dealing with a relationship while you're
1:58:44
experiencing it. So you know what I mean.
1:58:48
I hear you well. TTR, I hope you realize that
1:58:52
anytime you need somebody to talk to, if you're under any
1:58:54
kind of stress and you just need to vent, I'm here for you.
1:58:57
You know how to contact me, all right?
1:59:00
I sure do. Thank you, Brett, and we are.
1:59:04
Right at that 2. Hour mark anyway, so I think we
1:59:07
will just end the show here tonight but thank you those of
1:59:11
you who've watched live on Rumble, all 7 of you thank you
1:59:15
to those who've watched on quarter, who've watched on FTJ
1:59:20
media and I even saw some FTJ media comments I missed out.
1:59:28
Bill 88 said in response to Sarah she converted just in time
1:59:32
for the new ever faker Pope from Chicago.
1:59:36
Yeah the timing is convenient Bill.
1:59:38
And then someone called toxic straight white male said never
1:59:42
been to divorce court. Been four times at this point.
1:59:44
If a woman says hi, I say give me a second while I light my
1:59:48
junk on fire and beat the flames out with an ice pick.
1:59:55
That's a great visual there fella.
1:59:57
Thanks for the laugh. Now we know where the song love.
2:00:01
Hurts comes from. Yeah, that's because there's an.
2:00:05
Ice Pick. But those of you who watched on?
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2:00:39
If I can find it, you can do it. Where did my outro video go?
2:00:50
That's one of those things hidden probably.
2:00:55
Ah, here we go. Oh, I mean it's already in the
2:01:01
list.