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Speaker 1: Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction, and today I'm
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Speaker 1: going to tell you three stories that demonstrate that. But
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Speaker 1: One morning in July of nineteen ninety seven, a man
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Speaker 1: named Abdel Sader Bedowe laid in a hospital bed in Elmnufia, Egypt,
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Speaker 1: which is northwest of Cairo, and he felt horrible, but
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Speaker 1: this was nothing new. So Bedowe was in his sixties
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately he spent a lot of time in hospitals
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Speaker 1: because he had chronic liver disease. It made him feel
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Speaker 1: weak and tired and caused him to get really bloated
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Speaker 1: and vomit pretty often. But recently Bedowe had begun experiencing
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Speaker 1: some new and even more concerning symptoms. Most recently, he'd
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Speaker 1: come into the hospital because he was feeling really clumsy
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Speaker 1: and disoriented. It seemed like his liber disease was getting
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Speaker 1: so advanced that he was now experiencing symptoms in his
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Speaker 1: brain as well. So that morning, Betowe was on a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of medications to try to treat his liber disease,
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Speaker 1: but so far it felt like the medication really wasn't
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Speaker 1: doing much of anything. He still had all the symptoms
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Speaker 1: he had come in with and so feeling really disheartened.
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Speaker 2: He's just laying in his bed.
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Speaker 1: There's nobody else in his hospital room, and so he's
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Speaker 1: just trying to get through it minute by minute. And
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Speaker 1: as he's laying there, he starts to feel really lightheaded,
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Speaker 1: like way more lightheaded than he had felt at all
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Speaker 1: at any point while he was hospital. And it was
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Speaker 1: so extreme, so fast that he was gonna call out
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Speaker 1: for a nurse. But it was like he couldn't even
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Speaker 1: make a sound. It was like his body was shutting down,
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Speaker 1: and then it was like everything went black. At some
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Speaker 1: point later could have been minutes later, hours, later, days later.
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Speaker 1: Beta we had no idea, but he had the sensation
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Speaker 1: of waking up, except when he opened his eyes, everything
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Speaker 1: was still totally black, like he can't see anything. But
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Speaker 1: in this kind of weird sensation of coming back to reality.
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Speaker 2: He quickly was able to sort of feel that.
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Speaker 1: He still had all his limbs, you know, he could
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Speaker 1: feel his whole body lying flat on some surface, which
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Speaker 1: could have been the bed he was still on. He
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Speaker 1: didn't know, but he's thinking to himself, I'm alive. I
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Speaker 1: can tell I'm alive. I can't see, I don't know
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Speaker 1: where I am. I don't know what happened to me,
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Speaker 1: but I'm still alive.
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Speaker 2: But when he tried to move, it was like he
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Speaker 2: felt trapped.
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Speaker 1: It's like he couldn't quite tell if he was literally
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Speaker 1: physically being confined in some space or if he was paralyzed.
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Speaker 2: He didn't know.
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Speaker 1: He just couldn't move, And so suddenly he has this
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Speaker 1: wave of claustrophobia come over him that he needs to escape,
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Speaker 1: and he starts screaming out for help, and eventually somebody
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Speaker 1: heard him. It would turn out twelve hours earlier, when
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Speaker 1: Betoi was laying in his bed and he could still
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Speaker 1: see and he suddenly had this extreme lightheadedness come over
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Speaker 1: him and then it all went black for the first time. Well,
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Speaker 1: what was actually happening is he was going into a
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Speaker 1: very deep coma. It was because of his liver disease
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Speaker 1: and other ailments he had, but he goes into this
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Speaker 1: really deep coma. The hospital he was at, they didn't
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Speaker 1: recognize it as a coma. They thought Betowe had actually died,
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Speaker 1: and so they put him in a coffin and they
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Speaker 1: put him in the refrigerator, and that's where he was
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Speaker 1: when he woke up hours later.
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Speaker 2: He was literally in a coffin.
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Speaker 1: And the reason he couldn't move is because he was
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Speaker 1: in a coffin and was physically restricted in that space,
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Speaker 1: and so he starts screaming out.
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Speaker 2: He's totally claustrophobic.
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Speaker 1: And there were employees that actually just happened to be
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Speaker 1: near the door of the walk in fridge where all
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Speaker 1: the other coffins and bodies were, and they heard him.
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Speaker 1: They walked inside and they saw one of the bodies
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Speaker 1: is literally sitting up in their coffin. And so when
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Speaker 1: Bedowe realized what had happened here, he jumped out of
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Speaker 1: the coffin and ran out of the room. Vowing to
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Speaker 1: never come back to the hospital. But that's not the
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Speaker 1: end of the story. One of the hospital employees who
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Speaker 1: went into the fridge and saw Bedowe's sitting up in
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Speaker 1: his coffin basically was one of the people who freed Bedowe.
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Speaker 1: They were so shocked by what they saw. Remember, they
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Speaker 1: don't know that he was still alive. They think they
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Speaker 1: walked into the fridge and a dead person is sitting
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Speaker 1: up like a zombie and is now like talking to
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Speaker 1: them and running out of the room. That was so
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Speaker 1: terrifying for them that they literally had a heart attack
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Speaker 1: and died. And where were they placed after they were dead?
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Speaker 1: In Bedowe's literal Coffin.
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Speaker 2: Early one morning in January of nineteen fifty five, twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Year old Carl Gilbert struggled to stay awake as he
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Speaker 1: drove down a dark highway in rural Kansas. Carl had
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Speaker 1: been driving since about three in the morning because he
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Speaker 1: was on his way to an early morning meeting out
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Speaker 1: of college that was over two hundred miles away. He
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be late, and so Carl he took
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Speaker 1: another sip of his coffee and rubbed his face to
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Speaker 1: try and wake himself. Up, but his eyelids were so
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Speaker 1: heavy and he really was struggling to focus on the road.
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Speaker 1: So Carl was a recruiter, and so it was his
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Speaker 1: job to drive around to different universities in Kansas and
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma to try and recruit graduating seniors for his company.
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Speaker 1: So as a result of that, he was used to
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Speaker 1: waking up in the middle of the night and driving
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Speaker 1: these long distances to get to these colleges. But despite
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Speaker 1: this being sort of typical behavior for him, today he
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Speaker 1: just felt like he was way more tired than normal.
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Speaker 1: And so Carl yawned and drank some more coffee, and
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Speaker 1: he could just feel his eyes getting heavier and heavier,
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Speaker 1: and then at some point he closed his eyes for
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Speaker 1: what he wanted to be just for like a second,
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Speaker 1: but it just felt like he couldn't quite open him again.
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Speaker 1: And as he's sort of like blinking for this really long,
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Speaker 1: extended blink, he hears a.
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Speaker 2: Voice in the car.
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Speaker 1: He's all alone in his car, it's the middle of
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Speaker 1: the nighties by himself, but he hears a voice right
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Speaker 1: behind him say, actually, yell into his ear, guy, look out, Carl.
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Speaker 1: After hearing the voice, you know, jolted upright he opened
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Speaker 1: his eyes and he realized he hadn't just blinked. He
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Speaker 1: had fallen asleep at the wheel and was now speeding
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Speaker 1: toward a concrete marker on the side of the highway,
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Speaker 1: And so he grabbed the steering wheel and he yanked
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Speaker 1: it just in time so that he only sideswiped the
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Speaker 1: marker instead of a head on.
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Speaker 2: Collision, which almost certainly would have killed him.
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Speaker 1: And so Carl he jammed on the brakes and his
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Speaker 1: car came to a screeching stop on the side of
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Speaker 1: the road. And there Carl just, you know, he sat
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Speaker 1: there just taking stock of how close he had just
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Speaker 1: come to dying. His whole body was shaking, like he
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe that it just happened. But eventually, you know,
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Speaker 1: he was able to calm down enough to get out
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Speaker 1: of his car and dissess the damage, because he did
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Speaker 1: sideswipe that concrete marker, And when he got out and looked,
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Speaker 1: he saw the damage was actually kind of bad. There
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Speaker 1: was two flat tires and the whole side of his
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Speaker 1: car was totally smashed up and scraped. But ultimately Carl
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Speaker 1: really didn't care. He genuinely felt thankful to be alive.
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Speaker 1: Later that morning, Carl sat at a diner just a
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Speaker 1: few miles down the road, eating some breakfast and reading
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Speaker 1: the morning paper. A passing car had pulled over and
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Speaker 1: helped him patch up his own car just enough to
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Speaker 1: drive to the meeting and then also drive to the
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Speaker 1: Steiner to get something to eat. Carl still felt very
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Speaker 1: rattled from nearly getting into a very likely fatal car accident,
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Speaker 1: but even more than just the fact that he nearly
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Speaker 1: died is Carl now was thinking a lot about that
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Speaker 1: voice that had yelled in his ear and had woken
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Speaker 1: him up and essentially saved him from smashing into the
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Speaker 1: concrete marker. But what really stood out to him was
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Speaker 1: that this voice had not called him Carl. It didn't
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Speaker 1: say Carl, wake up. The voice had said Guy, watch out.
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Speaker 1: Guy called him guy, and Guy was not his name.
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Speaker 1: But Carl actually had a childhood friend named Peter who
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Speaker 1: called him guy as a nickname. He was like the
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Speaker 1: only person who called Carl guy. And as Carl thought
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Speaker 1: about this voice, he started to think that the sound
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Speaker 1: of the voice really sounded an awful lot like Peter,
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Speaker 1: and so it sounds like Peter, and they're calling me guy. Like,
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Speaker 1: was that Peter talking to me? Like that didn't make
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Speaker 1: any sense. Now, keep in mind, what Carl is actually
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Speaker 1: thinking is like his subconscious has like channeled a voice
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Speaker 1: to save himself. He's not literally thinking that, you know,
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Speaker 1: his friend Peter is sitting in the back seat telling
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Speaker 1: him to watch out. But he's just thinking to himself,
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Speaker 1: Carl is, why wouldn't it be like my mom or
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Speaker 1: like you know, a relative, you know, coming in and
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Speaker 1: saving my life. If it's my subconscious doing it, why Peter,
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Speaker 1: like Peter was so random? If that's what it was,
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Speaker 1: Carl and Peter had kind of drifted apart as they
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Speaker 1: grew up. I mean, they were still in touch, but
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Speaker 1: Carl lived in Kansas and Peter was in the military,
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Speaker 1: serving at a naval air.
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Speaker 1: Like there was no special reason why Carl would hear
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Speaker 1: Peter's voice instead of somebody else. It just it felt
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Speaker 1: like a completely random thing. Eventually, Carl's thinking that it
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Speaker 1: just must have been my brain firing off in this
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Speaker 1: reason or another it came through as like Peter's voice
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Speaker 1: calling me guy, you know whatever, And so ultimately Carl
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Speaker 1: just went back to eating his breakfast and reading the newspaper.
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Speaker 1: But when he flipped the page over and looked at
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Speaker 1: the headline of the next page, he froze. The news
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Speaker 1: story was actually about Carl's childhood friend Peter. Peter had
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Speaker 1: just died in this horrific Mility terry training accident. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: he had died in a crash just hours before Carl
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Speaker 1: heard the sound of some man's voice saying, guy.
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Speaker 2: Look out.
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Speaker 1: and so Carl could never explain how or why any
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Speaker 1: Jose Lrente knocked on the front door of an apartment
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Speaker 1: in the Bronx, which is a neighborhood in New York City.
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Speaker 1: The door opened up just a crack, and Jose saw
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Speaker 1: this woman inside who was eyeing him kind of reluctantly,
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Speaker 1: and what he was carrying, she kind of, you know,
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Speaker 1: the large bag he was carrying could fit and come inside.
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Speaker 1: Once Jose was inside, the woman immediately shut and bolted
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Speaker 1: the door shut behind him. Then she led Jose into
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Speaker 1: the living room where her son, a twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old man named Ivan Barboza, was already sitting on the couch.
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Speaker 1: Ivan looked like a guy who had not slept in weeks,
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Speaker 1: and Jose, you know, based on the story he had
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Speaker 1: been told, you know, could understand why. So Jose had
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Speaker 1: a day job as a tailor, but he also had
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Speaker 1: a second and much more unique job. He was a
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Speaker 1: self proclaimed psychic medium, and he conducted spiritual cleansings for
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Speaker 1: people who believed they were being haunted, like Ivan, But
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Speaker 1: Jose did not actually believe in ghosts. He was firmly
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Speaker 1: a skeptic. Now, he marketed himself as a psychic medium,
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Speaker 1: but he knew that the cleansings that he performed were
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Speaker 1: not really supernatural.
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Speaker 2: They were psychologue.
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Speaker 1: In his experience, if somebody believed they were being haunted,
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Speaker 1: they were actually just suffering from something more mundane, like
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Speaker 1: depression or grief or loneliness. And so when Jose would
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Speaker 1: perform his cleansing ceremonies for these people, like he was
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Speaker 1: about to do for Ivan, you know, he would go
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Speaker 1: in and act very convincing, like he believed what he
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Speaker 1: was doing was truly supernatural, but what he knew he
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Speaker 1: was actually doing was just kind of giving these people
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Speaker 1: a placebo pill. You know, he saw that after these ceremonies,
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Speaker 1: the haunted people they would feel much better. You know,
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Speaker 1: they believed that the haunting was gone, that they were
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Speaker 1: free now, and in many cases they would get much better.
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Speaker 1: And so Jose, you know, he knew he was misleading
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Speaker 1: these people, but he felt like, you know, the ends
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Speaker 1: justified the means, and so on this day, Jose was
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Speaker 1: here at this apartment to do one of these ceremonies
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Speaker 1: for Ivan because Ivan's mother had called Jose earlier that
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Speaker 1: day and said that, you know, Ivan was being haunted
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Speaker 1: by the ghost of this old woman and he wasn't
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Speaker 1: sleeping and he was rack and they just really needed
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Speaker 1: his help and they had heard Jose was somebody who
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Speaker 1: could help. So Jose sat down across from Ivan and
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Speaker 1: just did what he always did. He spoke to Ivan
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Speaker 1: and said, okay, tell me about the haunting. Ivan seemed really,
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Speaker 1: really nervous, but once he sort of calmed down enough
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Speaker 1: to talk, he sort of stammered out that there was
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Speaker 1: this ghost, this old woman who would appear in his
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Speaker 1: room basically every night, and she had been for months.
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Speaker 2: But he said, you know, this woman's expression.
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Speaker 1: It seemed like every night she would get angrier and angrier,
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Speaker 1: and it was just horrifying to the point where Ivan
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Speaker 1: he was terrified to go to his room to sleep
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Speaker 1: at night, and so basically he wasn't sleeping.
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Speaker 2: He was just like.
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Speaker 1: Terrified all the time of this ghost. Jose nodded along
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Speaker 1: very sympathetically, even though you know, secretly he did not
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Speaker 1: believe Ivan was literally being haunted. But what he did
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Speaker 1: believe is that Ivan did believe he was being haunted,
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Speaker 1: and that's what mattered.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really what he was here to fix.
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Speaker 1: So eventually, after Ivan was done talking, Jose told him
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Speaker 1: that he knew.
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Speaker 2: Exactly how to help him.
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Speaker 1: He explained that they were going to perform a seance
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Speaker 1: so they could contact this old woman's spirit and basically
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Speaker 1: ask her to leave Ivan alone. I'vean looked very doubtful,
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Speaker 1: but Jose reassured him that he had done this many.
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Speaker 2: Times before and usually this works, and so Ivan ultimately said, okay,
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Speaker 2: let's do it.
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Speaker 1: So Jose reached over and he opened up his large
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Speaker 1: bag he had brought and he began taking out the
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Speaker 1: supplies that he had brought along for this seance. The
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Speaker 1: first thing he did is he pulled out these big
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Speaker 1: black sheets and he put them over the TV and
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Speaker 1: the radio, because in his experience, you know this was
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Speaker 1: a good sort of overt way to symbolically shut out
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Speaker 1: the outside world.
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Speaker 2: And then after that, he placed a.
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Speaker 1: Bunch of small candles in a big circle basically around
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Speaker 1: the living room, and in the center of the circle,
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the living room was a coffee table,
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Speaker 1: and he placed this really old looking bible on the
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Speaker 1: coffee table, and then he also put some incense on
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Speaker 1: the table next to the bible, and then he lit
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Speaker 1: all the candles in the room and he lit the incense. Finally,
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Speaker 1: Jose shot all the blinds in the apartment to make
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Speaker 1: sure the room was as dark as possible, and then
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Speaker 1: he asked Ivan and his mother to come over and
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Speaker 1: sit within the circle of candles basically on the floor
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the living room, right near the
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Speaker 1: coffee table. And so once all of them were sitting
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Speaker 1: down basically in a mini circle of their own, Jose
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Speaker 1: began by grabbing that old bible and reading a prayer
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Speaker 1: out of it, and then afterwards he closed the bible
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Speaker 1: put it back on the table, and then he told
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Speaker 1: Ivan and also Ivan's mom to go ahead and hold hands.
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Speaker 1: All three of them were going to hold hands, and
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Speaker 1: then once they were holding hands, Jose took a deep
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Speaker 1: breath and told them all to close their eyes, and
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Speaker 1: then once they had, he did what he always did
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Speaker 1: at these seances. He spoke in a very calm, clear
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Speaker 1: voice and asked any spirits in the room to please
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Speaker 1: give a sign.
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Speaker 2: That they could hear him.
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Speaker 1: Now, typically, Jose would wait to hear some natural sound
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Speaker 1: in the building, the sound of the building settling, or
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Speaker 1: maybe a gust of wind to rattle the windows, or
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Speaker 1: any sound basically that he could then attribute to a
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Speaker 1: spirit in the room. And then if for some reason,
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Speaker 1: some natural sound didn't occur. Once you know, the people's
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Speaker 1: eyes were closed, Jose would sometimes tap his foot while
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Speaker 1: everybody else wasn't looking, and he would say, oh, that's
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Speaker 1: that's the spirit. That's the ghost making contact with us.
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Speaker 1: And so for a minute or so, Jose was totally quiet,
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Speaker 1: you know, holding their hands, their eyes are closed, and
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Speaker 1: he's just listening for any sounds that he could use,
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Speaker 1: And when none came, he was about to tap his
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Speaker 1: foot and sort of initiate the seance that way.
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Speaker 2: But then something happened that Jose had never experienced before.
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Speaker 1: It felt like his entire body suddenly got shocked by
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Speaker 1: like an electric current. His body went rigid and he
18:46
Speaker 1: couldn't move, and then his vision just went completely black.
18:50
Speaker 1: Then there was like the series of bright, confusing images
18:54
Speaker 1: that flashed through his mind. He saw a cup of
18:57
Speaker 1: hot chocolate rattling on a table. He saw a bed
19:01
Speaker 1: sheet being torn by these dirty hands. He saw an
19:04
Speaker 1: open eye, a screaming mouth, a flash of red and silver,
19:08
Speaker 1: then red again. The images cycled over and over in
19:11
Speaker 1: his mind so quickly they kind of became a blur.
19:14
Speaker 2: And suddenly Jose felt himself open his mouth.
19:17
Speaker 1: And he wanted to scream out for help, but instead
19:21
Speaker 1: he heard himself speak.
19:23
Speaker 2: But the voice that came out was not his own.
19:26
Speaker 1: It was like this high pitched, gravelly shriek that almost
19:30
Speaker 1: seemed like it was coming through Jose from another world.
19:33
Speaker 2: There was a rhythm to it, you know, maybe words.
19:36
Speaker 2: But everything was.
19:36
Speaker 1: Happening so fast, and the images were still cycling through
19:40
Speaker 1: his mind.
19:40
Speaker 2: He couldn't make sense of anything.
19:42
Speaker 1: But then, just as quickly as all of this had begun,
19:45
Speaker 1: you know, the voice that was coming through him stopped.
19:48
Speaker 2: Jose's mind went completely blank.
19:50
Speaker 1: Then his body went limp, and he sort of slowly
19:53
Speaker 1: came to and he found himself lying on the floor,
19:56
Speaker 1: feeling completely disoriented. For a second, he didn't even know
20:00
Speaker 1: where he was. But you know, then he kind of
20:02
Speaker 1: came to and he realized he was in the living
20:04
Speaker 1: room of this apartment.
20:05
Speaker 2: He saw the candles in the circle.
20:07
Speaker 1: He remembered he had come here to do this seance,
20:10
Speaker 1: but clearly something had gone wrong. And now also he
20:13
Speaker 1: found his body was sore and his throat felt raw,
20:16
Speaker 1: Like what just happened?
20:17
Speaker 2: He didn't even know now.
20:18
Speaker 1: As Jose is sort of coming to and realizing, like, okay,
20:21
Speaker 1: I'm back to reality, the first thought he had as
20:25
Speaker 1: he processed whatever that was was that he must have
20:28
Speaker 1: had some kind of seizure and that he now very
20:30
Speaker 1: likely needed medical attention. But as he began to look
20:33
Speaker 1: around the room and really take stock of his surroundings,
20:37
Speaker 1: he noticed three things. One, the front door of the
20:40
Speaker 1: apartment was wide open. Two, Ivan's mother was staring at
20:45
Speaker 1: him with this completely horrified expression like Jose was possessed.
20:51
Speaker 1: And three Ivan was gone. Jose asked Ivan's mom, like,
20:55
Speaker 1: what happened, Where's Ivan?
20:57
Speaker 2: What's going on? And what she told him completely.
21:00
Speaker 1: Contradicted everything Jose thought he believed about ghosts and about seances.
21:06
Speaker 1: According to Ivan's mom, during the seance, Jose had at
21:10
Speaker 1: some point entered some kind of a trance. At first
21:13
Speaker 1: his body had gone sort of rigid, then his eyes
21:16
Speaker 1: rolled back in his head, and then he kind of
21:18
Speaker 1: sat upright and looked right at Ivan. And as he did,
21:22
Speaker 1: he began speaking in this this shrill, gravelly voice that
21:26
Speaker 1: almost sounded like an old woman. She told Jose it
21:29
Speaker 1: really sounded like it was the ghost that apparently had
21:31
Speaker 1: been haunting her son, like she had taken over Jose's body.
21:35
Speaker 1: And then you know, this ghost, apparently speaking through Jose,
21:39
Speaker 1: had said something to Ivan that was so horrifying. Ivan
21:43
Speaker 1: had literally jumped up and sprinted out the door. Now, Jose,
21:48
Speaker 1: he's hearing this and he can't believe what she's saying.
21:51
Speaker 1: But he's also thinking, like this woman has already convinced
21:53
Speaker 1: herself her son as being haunted by a ghost. She's
21:56
Speaker 1: just confirming whatever's happened here must have to.
21:59
Speaker 2: Do with the ghost.
22:00
Speaker 1: Like none of what she's just said could have happened
22:02
Speaker 1: like that is absolutely not possible. I clearly just had
22:05
Speaker 1: some sort of medical emergency, Like I did not get
22:09
Speaker 1: possessed by a ghost, even though somewhere in the back
22:12
Speaker 1: of Jose's mind he doesn't know what's happened to him.
22:14
Speaker 2: He can't make sense of what's.
22:15
Speaker 1: Happened, but he's telling himself there is a logical explanation
22:19
Speaker 1: for this, It can't be ghosts. But at the same time,
22:23
Speaker 1: Jose also felt kind of bad because clearly, you know,
22:25
Speaker 1: this medical event that he believes he's gone through had
22:28
Speaker 1: frightened Ivan so badly, who was already very mentally fragile,
22:32
Speaker 1: that he's he's fled off somewhere and you know, now
22:34
Speaker 1: who knows what he's doing. But you know, at this point,
22:37
Speaker 1: Jose just felt like this whole thing had gone completely
22:40
Speaker 1: off the rails.
22:40
Speaker 2: He didn't want to be here anymore.
22:42
Speaker 1: He wanted to stop pretending to be a psychic medium,
22:45
Speaker 1: and so he just stood up.
22:46
Speaker 2: He gathered his things.
22:47
Speaker 1: He apologized to Ivan's mother, who was telling him please stay,
22:50
Speaker 1: like we got to figure out what's going on here,
22:52
Speaker 1: but he said, I can't.
22:53
Speaker 2: I have to go.
22:54
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure Ivan will turn up soon. I'm sorry,
22:57
Speaker 1: you know, best of luck to you, and then Jose
22:59
Speaker 1: walked out the door and went home. Now, after Jose
23:02
Speaker 1: got home, He wasn't thinking that Ivan was in any
23:04
Speaker 1: real peril. He just felt like, you know, Ivan got
23:07
Speaker 1: spooked and he will come back eventually, Like there's no
23:10
Speaker 1: real risk here. You know, they're dealing with some sort
23:12
Speaker 1: of mental breakdown. They're not really being haunted. He'll be back,
23:15
Speaker 1: everything's fine. But Ivan didn't come back home, and after
23:19
Speaker 1: enough time passed, his mother called the police and they
23:22
Speaker 1: began looking for him, and eventually they would find Ivan.
23:26
Speaker 1: He was in a hotel room one town over and
23:29
Speaker 1: he was dead from an obviously self inflicted gunshot wound. Now,
23:33
Speaker 1: at first the police just decided, okay, this is a
23:35
Speaker 1: classic case of a guy who has taken his own life,
23:39
Speaker 1: and that was really all there was to it. But
23:41
Speaker 1: Ivan's mother, when she heard that, she was adamant that
23:44
Speaker 1: they were wrong.
23:44
Speaker 2: There was more to this.
23:45
Speaker 1: Story, and she began telling the police over and over
23:49
Speaker 1: again that you have to talk to Jose because right
23:54
Speaker 1: before my son bolted and took his own life, we
23:58
Speaker 1: had this seance with Jose, a psychic medium, and Jose
24:02
Speaker 1: he said something to my son that that has to
24:05
Speaker 1: be part of the reason he ultimately died.
24:08
Speaker 2: Now, before I tell you.
24:09
Speaker 1: What we believe happened to Ivan, we need to step
24:12
Speaker 1: back and sort of understand who he believed was haunting him,
24:17
Speaker 1: because he didn't just believe some random woman, some old
24:20
Speaker 1: woman was haunting him.
24:22
Speaker 2: He believed the person haunting.
24:24
Speaker 1: Him was this woman named Elsie Litt, who had actually
24:27
Speaker 1: lived in his neighborhood but had been murdered nine months
24:31
Speaker 1: before that seance where he fled and then ultimately died
24:33
Speaker 1: in the hotel room, and her murder was unsolved, and
24:37
Speaker 1: so for Ivan, it was incredibly threatening to be seeing
24:40
Speaker 1: this woman who has been murdered and we don't know
24:43
Speaker 1: who's killed her coming into his room at night looking
24:46
Speaker 1: angrier and angrier.
24:47
Speaker 2: Ivan felt threatened by her.
24:49
Speaker 1: He felt genuinely terrified that this woman is like out
24:52
Speaker 1: for vengeance and he's sort of in her crosshairs. In essence,
24:57
Speaker 1: Ivan felt like he was sort of being blame for
25:00
Speaker 1: this woman's murder and she was here to sort of
25:03
Speaker 1: exact her revenge effectively on him, and so it was
25:06
Speaker 1: driving him crazy.
25:07
Speaker 2: He's terrified all the time. And so here comes Jose.
25:10
Speaker 1: To have this seance, and what happens in the middle
25:13
Speaker 1: of the seance.
25:14
Speaker 2: When Jose basically goes into this weird, you know.
25:17
Speaker 1: Seizure slash possession is after he went into the state
25:21
Speaker 1: and he's kind of rigid for a second, his eyes
25:23
Speaker 1: are back in his head. He suddenly sits up and
25:26
Speaker 1: he looks right at Ivan and he says, in that shrill,
25:29
Speaker 1: womanly voice, you killed me, and you're going to die
25:34
Speaker 1: the same way, and then he snapped out of the trance.
25:37
Speaker 2: Doesn't remember any of it.
25:38
Speaker 1: But Ivan he took this as like confirmation that she
25:42
Speaker 1: was after him, this ghost was targeting him, and he
25:44
Speaker 1: was so scared he literally just ran away.
25:48
Speaker 2: But ultimately the ghost, you know, persisted in his life.
25:51
Speaker 2: He lost his mind.
25:52
Speaker 1: And ultimately took his life in the hotel room. And
25:54
Speaker 1: so Ivan's mother is like adamantly telling the police, you
25:58
Speaker 1: gotta talk to Jose because he told my son you
26:02
Speaker 1: killed me and you're going to die the same way.
26:04
Speaker 1: And it sent him off running and now he's dead.
26:07
Speaker 1: And so the police they're like, Okay, I don't believe
26:10
Speaker 1: any of this. I don't believe that this seance was
26:12
Speaker 1: actually supernatural. I don't know what's going on here, but
26:16
Speaker 1: none of this makes any sense. However, Ivan's mother was
26:19
Speaker 1: so persistent that they would finally go and talk to Jose.
26:23
Speaker 1: And when police spoke to Jose and they asked him
26:26
Speaker 1: about the seance, he was like, oh, my goodness, yeah,
26:28
Speaker 1: I did this seance. I don't believe in any of
26:32
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I don't know what happened. I think
26:34
Speaker 1: I had like a seizure or something. I don't even
26:37
Speaker 1: know what I was saying. I don't remember any of it.
26:40
Speaker 1: All I know is that, you know, during the time
26:42
Speaker 1: that presumably I was possessed.
26:44
Speaker 2: I was just seeing these weird visions. That's really all
26:47
Speaker 2: I remember.
26:48
Speaker 1: And so the police asked him, like, well, what visions
26:50
Speaker 1: did you see? You know, humorous and so Jose he
26:54
Speaker 1: began to think about what he saw. He actually remembered,
26:56
Speaker 1: really specifically a few images that stood out to him
26:59
Speaker 1: the most, and he said, I saw this torn bed
27:02
Speaker 1: sheet that was being manipulated with these dirty hands. I
27:06
Speaker 1: saw a silver sliver light like a knife or something.
27:10
Speaker 1: And I saw a cup of hot chocolate kind of
27:13
Speaker 1: rattling on a table. But to be honest, I just
27:16
Speaker 1: think I was having a medical emergency.
27:18
Speaker 2: I don't really know what it was.
27:19
Speaker 1: And I came to and Ivan's Mom's convinced I was
27:22
Speaker 1: possessed by this woman. I have no idea what's going on.
27:25
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I don't have any memory of
27:27
Speaker 1: speaking to Ivan. I have no idea what happened to her.
27:30
Speaker 2: Now.
27:30
Speaker 1: Jose really didn't think anything he was saying was particularly important.
27:34
Speaker 1: He thought what he was saying was kind of nonsensical,
27:36
Speaker 1: and the police would certainly not follow up on any
27:39
Speaker 1: of this. But the police, after he said, you know
27:42
Speaker 1: what he saw in his mind's eye, they said, tell
27:44
Speaker 1: us again what you saw, you know in this this
27:47
Speaker 1: blackout you had, And so again Jose went over it,
27:51
Speaker 1: talking about the bed sheet, the silver knife, or whatever
27:54
Speaker 1: he saw in the hot chocolate.
27:56
Speaker 2: And the police were.
27:56
Speaker 1: Astonished because it would turn out Elsie Litt, who had
28:01
Speaker 1: been murdered nine months earlier. She had been strangled by
28:05
Speaker 1: a dirty bed sheet that had been wrapped around her neck.
28:08
Speaker 1: There had been a cup of hot chocolate on the
28:10
Speaker 1: bedside table where she was found, and she had been
28:13
Speaker 1: stabbed repeatedly with a silver knife. Those details were not public.
28:19
Speaker 1: Nobody knew those details, and Jose certainly had no reason
28:23
Speaker 1: to know those details. But here he is potentially being
28:26
Speaker 1: possessed by the ghost of Elsie Litt seeing images effectively
28:30
Speaker 1: of the crime scene. It was just too much and
28:33
Speaker 1: so the police, ultimately, based on the hallucinations that Jose
28:37
Speaker 1: had during the seance, did some digging into Ivan to
28:42
Speaker 1: see if maybe there's a reason Ivan's being targeted by
28:45
Speaker 1: this ghost.
28:46
Speaker 2: And it would turn out Ivan was the killer.
28:50
Speaker 1: He murdered Elsie Lit and apparently her ghost came back
28:55
Speaker 1: to serve himjustice. Police would officially close the Elsie murder
28:58
Speaker 1: investigation and would name.
29:00
Speaker 2: Ivan as her killer.
29:02
Speaker 1: As for Jose, he could never explain what actually happened
29:05
Speaker 1: during that seance, but because of his experience, he never
29:09
Speaker 1: dabbled in the spirit world.
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