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Hour Two | Joe Burrow’s Injury, LSU Run Game & Arch Manning’s Struggles · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Hour two of Off the Bench Live from downtown Baton
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  Speaker 1: Rouge starts.
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  Speaker 2: An Now, all right, welcome back you.
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  Speaker 3: In hour number two ot B Wednesday morning, Jake flann
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  Speaker 3: elandre tte here with you.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking a.
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  Speaker 3: Little LSU run game during the break. There obviously something
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people want to talk about. You know,
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of conversations about the offensive line and
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  Speaker 3: when you look at the analytics of the offensive line,
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  Speaker 3: one of the highest graded pass protection units not only
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  Speaker 3: in the SEC, but in the entire country. Now, a
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  Speaker 3: year ago kind of the same story, right, you had
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  Speaker 3: really good pass protection and run blocking was something we
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  Speaker 3: talked a lot about, like for this offensive line, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you're getting the body hands pretty quick, they're forgetting
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  Speaker 3: and smart. We talked about that. You know, whatever's going
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  Speaker 3: on with this Torso injury right now, you're not you know,
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  Speaker 3: pushing the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 2: We use the stat. We looked up the stat.
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  Speaker 3: We charged at the stat thirty four yards through the air, yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: so you know that helps you. But still this this
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  Speaker 3: unit's been really good. I don't see it as a
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  Speaker 3: talent issue. Like it's not an issue where guys are
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  Speaker 3: losing their individual matchups in the run game. It's not like,
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  Speaker 3: oh this guy, look, the defensive lineman just walking him back.
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  Speaker 3: He's basically on heay skates right now instead of cleats
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  Speaker 3: and pushing back into the running back. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: some of the schematics of the offense because some of
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  Speaker 3: these runs, and Matt, you were talking about like, it's
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  Speaker 3: like you got an RPO situation, so do you want
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  Speaker 3: to show them, Yeah, we can, that's fine. Some of
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  Speaker 3: it is trying to be perfect in the run game
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  Speaker 3: and what I mean by that, And Matt showed me
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  Speaker 3: this over the weekend, and he's exactly right, Like and
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  Speaker 3: when I say robotic, it's like, okay, well, we've got
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  Speaker 3: this defensive lineman and we're comboing up to the linebacker
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  Speaker 3: and the tackles trying to basically block the defensive lineman
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  Speaker 3: for the guard and then try to at the last
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  Speaker 3: minute get up to his linebacker and by then it's
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  Speaker 3: too late. Like if you have a combo block it's
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  Speaker 3: like the guard tackle, got a boom, got it all right, cool,
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  Speaker 3: second level and just not getting to that second level
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  Speaker 3: fast enough right now. And so what you have is
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  Speaker 3: you have a linebacker that is right there, he's in
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  Speaker 3: the gap, he's coming downhill. The running back sees that,
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  Speaker 3: he sees color flash and so he's either bouncing it
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  Speaker 3: or he's just saying, well, they gotta put my head
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  Speaker 3: down and try to get two yards. So those things
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  Speaker 3: I do think are fixable, and you got to get
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  Speaker 3: him fixed, and you got to get him fixed here
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  Speaker 3: pretty quick.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the.
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  Speaker 3: Plays, I'm sitting here and I'm just watching the end
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  Speaker 3: zone copy, watching the end zone copy, and I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, look, look, look, look, look, but if you
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  Speaker 3: zoom out and.
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  Speaker 2: You get yeah, Taylor, go ahead and pull us up.
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  Speaker 2: We got a clip. This is from early in the
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  Speaker 2: first quarter too, So we are running right here. They're
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  Speaker 2: in a three down look right now. So they gotta
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  Speaker 2: when the defensive tackles over the center like this, it's
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  Speaker 2: called a zero, So he's zero shade, zero knows whatever.
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  Speaker 2: He's head up on the on the defensive tackle. So
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  Speaker 2: we're running a zone into tight endside and you watched
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  Speaker 2: this play out nowhere for the running back to go.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of those plays. I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I was watching the tight copy this week and I
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  Speaker 2: sent it to Jake. I was like, man, this right tackle.
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  Speaker 2: He's so worried about giving presents to the guard in
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  Speaker 2: ninety four. He's not getting up to his assignment. He's
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  Speaker 2: not getting up to zero. Yeah, he just he needs
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  Speaker 2: to give them a little presence and then get up
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  Speaker 2: to zero because that's his guy. And who makes the block,
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  Speaker 2: who makes the tackle?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Zero zero. And I'm sitting there watching two, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what got him go? And that's the easy thing to
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  Speaker 2: look at when you're watching these tight copy's, like, man,
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  Speaker 2: right tackles messed up. He did it, he did it.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to get it. He's I think he still
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  Speaker 2: has to get on him, like zero is his guy.
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  Speaker 2: But this tight copy didn't tell the whole picture, the
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  Speaker 2: whole story of the play. So we're gonna go to
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  Speaker 2: the wide copy and I we're just gonna we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: play it once, just play it through, then ell we
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  Speaker 2: one and see what anybody notices.
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  Speaker 3: All right about this laundre tate. Y'all watching listen to
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  Speaker 3: us on radio. Oh, it's the same play, it's just
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  Speaker 3: zoomed out.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a zoomed out vertist. So it's the wide
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  Speaker 2: copy of the version. So what we what do we
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  Speaker 2: have here? What kind of concept? We have an RPO,
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  Speaker 2: a two wide receiver RPO system. So what can the
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  Speaker 2: offensive lineman not do here?
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  Speaker 3: They, Matthew, cannot go downfield, can't go because there is
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  Speaker 3: a possibility that behind them, which they don't have eyes
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  Speaker 3: in the back of their head. Garrett Nosmeyer could throw
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  Speaker 3: either the five yard hitch or the flat route to
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  Speaker 3: the left side.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, they have the and this is a three step
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  Speaker 2: route concept. Like a lot of times RPOs are basically
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  Speaker 2: one step like now timing, So it doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 2: the linemen are getting down the field. So the right
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  Speaker 2: tackle cannot do the job that he is supposed to
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  Speaker 2: do or needs to do on his zone play, which
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  Speaker 2: is basically just give a left hand to help his
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  Speaker 2: left guard, give a left hand to that defensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: and go to the linebacker immediately. So when we see
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff happening now, RPO is a weapon.
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  Speaker 2: An RPO is a weapon that you can use. It's
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  Speaker 2: a tool that offenses can use and do use all
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  Speaker 2: over the country very successfully, and it keeps the defense
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  Speaker 2: on his toes. It always gives you an answer. But
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  Speaker 2: this right here shows you a glaring weakness is to
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  Speaker 2: RPO systems, not just for Lsue, for everybody that runs it.
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  Speaker 2: Offensive linemen cannot get down the field. I think early
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  Speaker 2: on in the RPO days, that call wasn't made a lot. No,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't, but coach Saman talked about that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: There's an emphasis there has been more and more of
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  Speaker 2: an emphasis to the referees to call the illegal lineman downfield.
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  Speaker 2: So when we watch clips and you're like, man, that
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  Speaker 2: right tackle or that left guard or whoever, they're not
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  Speaker 2: doing their job. They got to get up. You have
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  Speaker 2: to look at the totality of the play and we
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  Speaker 2: don't know what they're being coached, but we can assume
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  Speaker 2: what they're being coached is you can't get down field
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  Speaker 2: because there's a three step route combination behind it. And
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  Speaker 2: what does it do? It MUCKs up everything for when
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  Speaker 2: things like this happen. When you have a good defensive
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  Speaker 2: line like Florida does, and they can stonewall and they
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  Speaker 2: can position like they're these guys are disciplined rushers, they're
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  Speaker 2: disciplined defensive lineman. So they're if they think it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a run play, they think that offensive lineman
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  Speaker 2: has a run block, they're gonna sit there, they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: straight arm him, and they're gonna look to like throw
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  Speaker 2: the the lineman left right depending like to play the run,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what they do. So there's I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: you're running back there, I mean, where are you running?
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  Speaker 2: So you can't just look at that. So if you
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  Speaker 2: look at this tight copy, you're gonna be like, right tackle,
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  Speaker 2: You're wrong, Yeah, you're wrong. And I think he still
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  Speaker 2: should have got to zero. I think he's looking to
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  Speaker 2: the left. He didn't really see because they're motioning Bauer
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  Speaker 2: in from the outside back into the box, so he's
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  Speaker 2: not I think his eyes are a little bit wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But still, if this was just a normal if you
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  Speaker 2: take the RPO off this seventy five zero, yeah, seventy five,
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  Speaker 2: your left hand is on ninety four as you're hauling
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  Speaker 2: ass to block zero.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, go back to the wide shot. And that's a difference.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it doesn't matter. But like also, like these
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  Speaker 3: the linebacker on the backside of the play is adding
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  Speaker 3: right now and he's not even thinking about the r
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  Speaker 3: PO to his side, and you you run a slant
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  Speaker 3: like right behind that if you're going to run the
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  Speaker 3: RPO stuff, I mean, either one of these receivers at
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of your screen. Right, that's an easy completion
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  Speaker 3: for a first down there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, but he's probably taught and too high.
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  Speaker 2: You're not throwing and it is too even though there
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  Speaker 2: are guys technically open whatever. But yeah, just tough. Like
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  Speaker 2: so when you're looking and you're you're grading people, you're
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  Speaker 2: grading tackle. So right tackle in a PFF grading system
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  Speaker 2: might have gotten a deduction there, yeah, yeah, and he
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  Speaker 2: probably shouldn't have. Yeah, right, So you just have to if, like,
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  Speaker 2: like we said, if you're going to call something out
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  Speaker 2: on the team, especially team that we all care about,
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  Speaker 2: we need to be able to like kind of show
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  Speaker 2: why and kind of talk through it. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the questions are they supposed to hold the
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  Speaker 3: spot I mean right there? Because you can't be downfield
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  Speaker 3: and you don't have fast flow from the defensive lineman,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to tell the right tackle to to really
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  Speaker 3: get to engage with the defensive lineman, because then if
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  Speaker 3: it does turn into a run, what's gonna happen What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Zero is gonna add himself, He's gonna basically be unblocked away.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, So I was never a part of an offense
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  Speaker 2: like in depth, that had this type of RPO system
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  Speaker 2: attached to it. Mine was always kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: more now throws, Like, if I know I'm throwing to it,
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  Speaker 2: it's a one step behind the line of scrimmage. It's
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  Speaker 2: a bubble route, it's a one step slant, it's something
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  Speaker 2: right over the middle. It wasn't never like there's a
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  Speaker 2: literal route concept behind a behind a run play. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know the exact coaching, but I can
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  Speaker 2: imagine that the coaching for the offensive lineman is like
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  Speaker 2: a two count kind of like a screen like in screens.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's a two count screen, three count screen,
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  Speaker 2: three and a half like four count screen, like I
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  Speaker 2: would imagine RP like your two counts and then up
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  Speaker 2: to the second level if you can get there like
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  Speaker 2: That's how I would imagine it. So maybe that right
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  Speaker 2: tackle is a little bit slow still, and I think
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  Speaker 2: his eyes were still wrong. Yeah, I don't even think
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  Speaker 2: he was thinking about zero. But it just kind of
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  Speaker 2: goes to show you, like the RPO blocking is different. Man,
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're if you're coming in, you're and you're
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  Speaker 2: frustrated watching the running game, and you're like, man, they
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  Speaker 2: got to get their asses off the ball. They got
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  Speaker 2: to get to the Lineberdyes, they got to get to the
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  Speaker 2: second level. You have to look at the whole play
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  Speaker 2: in the totality, and you can't just poo poo on
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  Speaker 2: on RPOs because they are a tool and they are
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  Speaker 2: a weapon, but they're not an offensive philosophy. They are
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  Speaker 2: a tool to be used within the game, not every time,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm saying what we do, we don't do it
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  Speaker 2: every time. But like when you see that, you're like, many,
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  Speaker 2: why can't we get any movement? That's a penalty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be a situation where you just you
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  Speaker 3: take the r p O off of it and early
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  Speaker 3: in the game you're trying to establish.
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  Speaker 2: It because that's that displays eleven over eleven minutes left
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  Speaker 2: in the first quarter, just super early on absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: So, uh, just a couple of things, a couple of
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  Speaker 3: things to look for and the LSU ring actually I
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  Speaker 3: mean pull up the I think it's.
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  Speaker 2: The first run.
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  Speaker 3: Pull up the first run that LSU had where they
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  Speaker 3: had it was like a four yard run, five yard
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  Speaker 3: run you got. You know, you're ahead of schedule there,
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  Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's one little step here, one
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  Speaker 3: false step here, and like those are the things that
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about. And so again, it's not like you're
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  Speaker 3: just getting blown off the ball. It's not that you
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  Speaker 3: can't block your guy. It's even when you're blocking your guys,
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  Speaker 3: like it's just one step and you can pull up
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  Speaker 3: Matt's screen again, you can go to the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've watched the wide cop it's an RB again,
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  Speaker 2: I know. So if you see the offensive line, they're
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  Speaker 2: all blocking at the last scrimmage and then.
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  Speaker 3: They see lateral movement in the north south movement.
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  Speaker 2: But still they are getting they are getting movement though
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  Speaker 2: on this one, like I would left guard does a
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  Speaker 2: great job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if so for everyone listening on radio. The
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  Speaker 3: center has a zero nose right in front of him
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  Speaker 3: for us, and he was a little bit nervous to
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  Speaker 3: take a real open lead step because I guess he
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to get beat back door. But he has
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  Speaker 3: to know that he's got left guard help. He can
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  Speaker 3: be aggressive with his right leg. He can open up
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  Speaker 3: because you're blocking to a spot. He should have ninety
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  Speaker 3: five hooked right now. But you can tell he's worried
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  Speaker 3: about maybe a back door a gap, but he has
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  Speaker 3: to trust his left guard that he's going to be there.
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  Speaker 3: And if the guy tries to back door this run play,
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  Speaker 3: he now gets taken by sixty five all mobing at
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  Speaker 3: the left guard and he's gonna get then, and then
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't worry about it anymore. Then he's going straight
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  Speaker 3: to twenty nine Here at the linebacker position, that's where
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  Speaker 3: the trust has to come in, right, You're trusting your
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  Speaker 3: guard is going to take over any back door a
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  Speaker 3: gap type cut situation, and you're moving forward and.
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  Speaker 2: Watch these guys make it calls to watch the offensive
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  Speaker 2: lineman to this. How much communication goes on because it's
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  Speaker 2: a shade nose. They're all talking to each other. They're saying,
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  Speaker 2: I got the shade nose. You got to work up
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  Speaker 2: and like they're they're making calls. So if this defensive
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  Speaker 2: lineman would have been lined up here, that's the difference
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  Speaker 2: between interest. If he would have been lined up here,
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  Speaker 2: which would have been like a shade of one technique.
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  Speaker 2: The center would have made a different call, and the
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  Speaker 2: center would have worked up to twenty nine and the
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  Speaker 2: left guard would have tried to hook. Yeah, and you're saying, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is a good first play though. The left guard
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  Speaker 2: does a great job of giving presents and getting up
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  Speaker 2: to twenty nine does a really good job. It kind
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  Speaker 2: of works that like two count, I was just talking
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  Speaker 2: about a little bit better to count then work up
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  Speaker 2: left guard. People are gonna watch this be like, come on,
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  Speaker 2: left tackle, get the block because it's his guy in
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  Speaker 2: ninety four then isn't making tackle? Left tackle does a
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  Speaker 2: really good job here. Yeah, Like that's this is a
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  Speaker 2: tough leverage. You see that's a four, so that's very
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  Speaker 2: tough of it. So he's got to try to beat him.
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  Speaker 2: He gets enough stink on him that we get three
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  Speaker 2: four yards. He actually did a good job and a
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  Speaker 2: really tough look right there for that left tackle. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: I would agree. There's actually a nice cut by Cayden
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  Speaker 2: to seeing the You can just see the difference of
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  Speaker 2: run blocking in an RPO system, an RPO game, Like
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  Speaker 2: these guys there, they are not going down the field
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  Speaker 2: and that left guard does a good job. They're really
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  Speaker 2: good play all right.
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  Speaker 3: So the whole reason to bring it up, if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to say, okay, the run game, the run game,
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  Speaker 3: the run game, well, here's some of the reasons I
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  Speaker 3: think in the run game, and it's an offensive line
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  Speaker 3: that I actually do think has the ability to not
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  Speaker 3: only improve but be much better in the run game.
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  Speaker 3: And I think some of those situations, some of the
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  Speaker 3: different play designs that you're run in. They're running way
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  Speaker 3: more outside zone this year than they ever have before.
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  Speaker 3: It's not that far away, but it certainly needs to
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  Speaker 3: continue to be worked only.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of positive takeaways from it.
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  Speaker 2: And again this isn't like saying we should or shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: do something as far as like schematically, because the r
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  Speaker 2: PO is a is proven to be weapon and a
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  Speaker 2: very big benefit. They bring the right coverage, you can
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  Speaker 2: cash a team. Yeah, but there's some give and take
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  Speaker 2: that you have to do because of how it's being
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  Speaker 2: reffed now compared to how it's being refed a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Uh Matt Matt c says, I feel like Cayden could
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  Speaker 3: have bounced that outside and tried to make the linebacker
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  Speaker 3: man a psych in hindsight, maybe first play the game.
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  Speaker 3: First the game though, and you got six yards. Now
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  Speaker 3: you're second and four. You love it, So that's a
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  Speaker 3: great nay I run and that's what you're going to do.
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  Speaker 2: So but yeah, there's always like there's always something in
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  Speaker 2: every single because it's eleven, it's eleven players versus eleven.
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  Speaker 2: There's always something like you can nitpick every single play.
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  Speaker 2: You should have done this, could have done that, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but like first play, you gotta like emotions are super high.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a play is supposed to do something. They're
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of crazy ad living. It's happened, happening
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  Speaker 2: on first plays of the game.
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  Speaker 3: No, and you get six yards on the first play
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  Speaker 3: of the game. Yeah, we'll take second and four and
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  Speaker 3: that's a that's a good run by Cayden there. So, uh,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: just a little breakdown of you know some things in
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: the run game right now and again.
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  Speaker 2: I do the there's place to be made.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: We'll see if LSU continues to develop that because more consistent,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: not saying you hadn't had big plays, but you got
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: to be more consistent. And certainly there's a point of emphasis.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: You can tell to have it on the place sheet.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of there's a lot
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: of juice you have to be squeezed in this on
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: this run game, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I'll take a break. When we come back.
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  Speaker 2: What we do watching screens?
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  Speaker 3: Getting you keep it so fat with your swing honey buns.
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  Speaker 2: He was dead with the money gone.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sad Dr Adwards shouldn't have headphones because he's around
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the same age as we are, and I think he
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: would appreciate R and B Wednesdays.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm missing it here.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Great. They call those those discos with the headsets.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I've never been to one, but my grandparents bar did
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: one like during COVID or whatever.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: They had everybody with the headphones and.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: We did one one time and it was hilarious. Like
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: you're doing and you're feeling the music is good, headset
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: and you take them off and everybody's just looking like idiots.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: That's great, that's so good. Look, we look like idiots
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: all the time, so it's fine. Uh dtr athwurs. What's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: going on? How we doing?
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: I'm doing well? How about y'all?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Uh doing? Okay?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: We talked about turf toe last or two weeks ago,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and unfortunately I think we we might have jinked our.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Guy Joey b Gosh.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: We talked about like turftw like what is turf toe?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: And we talked about it and you're like, well, there's
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: this one case where you've got the surgery and you
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: can miss like three months and that's like the worst case,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: and that's what Joey, Yeah, he has.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Hey, can you give us like a just like a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: brief Oh, I know, we talked about it in depth.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Couple ways on like kind of brief overview of what
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: kind of happens to the foot when it gets to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the stage of having to have surgery. Yeah, if you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Look at at the play that had happened, I mean,
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: if you watch that play, it didn't look that bad.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: I went back and looked at it, and you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: if anything, I'd have been worried about his right foot.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: He had the defender on the back kind of fell
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: on the right foot if he saw it. But his
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: left foot is the one that was injured. And if
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: you go back and watch, you can kind of see
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: where his foot get kind of flexed over the front
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: of it. That big toe is down and the whole
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: foot kind of comes over the top and just probably
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: just kind of caught in the turf just right. And
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: and what happens in his case is he tore you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: knowing it's a great that can sometimes mean a few
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: different things, but he tore basically part of that ligament
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: under the toe, and it's where the foot connects the
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: big toe. The ligament usually tears off of the toe portion,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: so the distal portion rips off and you have to
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: go back and reattach it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: Sometimes you can have other injuries with that sometimes, like.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: You can get a little piece of cartilage that comes off,
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: or you have these little bones that are called your
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: sesimoids that can sometimes fracture with it, and that can
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: complicate it further. You know, I'm not sure as far
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: as which version of that he had, but we would
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: assume at the very minimum he had that distal ligament
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: pull off, because I they're going to go in and
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: fix it. Yeah, that's kind of kind of what we know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: at least at the very minimum.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: What's the rehab like for that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: So so normally, you know, you have the surgery, you
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: get repaired, You're gonna be in a boot or a
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: cast or something like that for the first few weeks,
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: probably have non weight bearing for at least a couple
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: of weeks on some crutches. After a couple of weeks,
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: maybe with a really rigid, you know, walking boot, he
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: can start walking on it. You're looking at a few
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: weeks to let that ligament really heal in, and then
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: you got to kind of get the strength back. You
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: got to be able to push off it, you gotta
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: be able to plant with it. You know, I'd say
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: at least two to four weeks non weight bearing, another
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: two to four weeks after that, where you can start
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: walking on it and start your light rehab, and then
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: you just slowly progress from there.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Is the foot in this type of injury something that
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the stem cell world would kind of help this type
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: of injury?
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: You know, it's a good question in traditional medicine. You know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: that's not something that we would typically do, you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: ten years ago obviously, so is it something that would
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: help you know, it depends on your perspective.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: I think it would.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: It's an area that I have a lot of passion
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: and we've talked about us in the past weeks. How
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: much though, I don't know, because you've got to get
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: that ligament to really heal into the bone. So it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: great to say, hey, it might get there quicker. You know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: you'll hear about people doing hyperbarycks. You hear about people
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: doing you know, red light bone stimulators, supplementation, stem cells.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: I think all these things have a place that we
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: don't know for sure.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Right You're still figuring out is it going to be
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: something that gets you better a week earlier, a month earlier,
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: And that's a lot we still don't know where I
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: don't think we're gonna move the needle drastically. But you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: my way of thinking is you watch the way they're recovering,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: and then you start looking for where you can optimize.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: If there's an area that still just seems to be
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: lagging behind, maybe that's when I kind of try to
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: cater the treatment.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Now, if there's anybody out there that's like denying if
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: themselves work, they're crazy, because like I've felt them firsthand
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that they do work. I think it's probably trying to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: figure out like the timing of when to do that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So is it something that is a standard practice for
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: like a post surgery recovery to go those types of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: treatments or is it based like I use it with
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: something that nothing else was working for a pain spot
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and then that that did work now just a recovery
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: from a surgery. Is that a practice that people.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Are using in some scenarios it is. I wouldn't say
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: it's standard of care. I would not say that that's
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: especially not trying to be whatever in certain portions of life.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: If if I have an injury like that, do I
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: need to get better? Does it make a difference if
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: I get better in six weeks or eight weeks, probably not.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm still baby stated to do my job.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Whereas if it's a Joe Burrow, we can get back
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: in the field two weeks or that might be the
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: difference in the playoffs and not and what have you.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: So so some of we have to consider.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: That's why it's not probably become standard care because they
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: are expensive, and look, for me, it wouldn't really matter.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: They have that reputation.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: But I think you're right, you know, it's it's something
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: that we don't know for sure win to app apply it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: I think for me, the best application is the examples
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: y'all gave where it's this guy has a chronic injury
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: that's not getting better.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: We've tried all the traditional stuff.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: That's why I know it's a good option, or at
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: least feel very confident is a good option. And these
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: post surgical things, you know, if you think about it,
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: you have a lot of blood flow in circulation right
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: after surgery.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: At least this is the way I look at it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: So if you think about do you need to do
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: it right after surgery, maybe not, but maybe that phase
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: you know a few weeks down the road when things
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: are slowing down.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the right time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Certain surgeries, especially like bone fractures, will sometimes you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: they'll do different procedures at the time of surgery, so
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: there are there are different avenues for this. We're still
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: just figuring it out.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: So obviously doctor answers, he can't come here and he
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: can't talk specific injuries with certain players, But I want
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: to ask you you you know, being on the broadcast,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: we're always like, all right, the player A is in
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the tent, player A is out.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Of the tent.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, player as going back in the tent. What is
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the process for you? And again like I don't I'm
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: not asking for any specific player, but when y'all go
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: inside the tent, right, it's like, you know, you and
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: other people, trainers and the player obviously right there, Like
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: what do you need to get done? And what decides
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: if a player needs to go into the tent or not?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Because I've seen y'all have an injury and not go
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: into the tent.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of times, you know, it starts a
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: little bit you on the field assessment. And we've been
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: very fortunate my whole time here. We've always had a
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: great medical staff, great athletic trainers. They're kind of the
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: first ones out there when y'all se those people who
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: a rushing out, that's gonna be our trainers. They're gonna
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: do a quick assessment on the field and see what
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: they think. Usually we're going to kind of follow up
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: and if it's something on the field that we need
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: need to assess there, is it okay to move the athlete?
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Do we need to get them in the tent? Those
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: types of questions we start asking. You know, we've gotten
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: a little more advanced the past few years. We wear
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: these these fun little head pieces and all that, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: so we'll kind of let the sideline know like, yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: we're going in the tent. And really I think it
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: borders down to do we need to do a further
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: assessment if we know the answer on the field, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: let's just say you kind of got the wind knocked
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: out of you, maybe you stepped a little funny in
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: your ankle, kind of you felt something, but now it's fine,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: We're probably not going to bring you in the tent.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: But if it's something that's going to require really a
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: further assessment, we're probably gonna bring you in the tent.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: You know, and even things, you know, in past years,
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: we've kind of learned that we have a lot of
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: eyes on us and and sometimes something that probably doesn't
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: need to go in the tent, we're going to take
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: in the tent more so just being blunt like a
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: CYA type thing. You know, we've learned that that, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: I feel very confident in our medical crew.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: They do a great job.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: But but you know, you don't want to bring you know, undo,
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: I guess criticism.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: You don't want to do that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: So sometimes it's more of a said, yeah, sometimes it's that,
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: but you also want to be able to get assessment
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: without having to worry about, you know, having all the
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: stylent reporters and everybody that's there and cameras.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: Are on you, right, I know that guy forty Rushes
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: of the world.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Is there anything done more than just assessment in the tent?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: So like when we were in the Ark, I saw
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a game in two thousand and seven, I had to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: go to the locker room twice during that game to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: get just a little tune up of Lyda Kane and
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the old shoulder. Is there anything like, like, is there
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: actual stuff being physically done outside of an assessment.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: It's mostly assessment.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: If there is some type of a treatment that we
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: can do on the sideline, we might consider doing that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: You know, we're pretty limited with what we can do there.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: You know, if it's something where we're really worried, we
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: probably bring it into the locker room too, or if
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: we need to get X rays for example, or if
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: it's something like that. That's a lot of times while
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: you see us taking them in the locker room. There
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: are things you can do in a tent, but but
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: obviously you're even with the protection of that, you are
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: a little bit limited. Even something as simple as an IV.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: We have to ask ourselves. You know, I've done a
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: couple of v's and guy's cramping in the tent, so
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: we might do that. But on the other hand, you
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: have a more controlled environment in the locker room. Do
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: we have the time to go in there that that's
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: that's usually the big question.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And no, no cramps fail issue though, beause they're hydrated.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: So disclaimer, doctor, we're talking about in past year, it's
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: been a while.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Talking about a decade ago.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Again, not talking anything specific here, but how many TORSO
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: questions have you answered over the last twenty four hours.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: You know, It's it's funny. I got I got a text,
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: and you're going over the entire chart.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: So I get a text from a friend of mine
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: and he said, so, what's the torso urgent or something
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: about torcho injury.
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: I'm like, why is he asking me this? Because I
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: hadn't I hadn't heard any of the press conference like that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: And it literally was like I'm like and I even respond,
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: then of course I heard later on that afternoon and
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: there had been some mention of torso injuries around campus. Uh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: you know the torso injuries are it's such a big area.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: You know, you're really basically talking about anything lower than
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: the neck, basically down through the pelvis. That's a lot
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: of volume, a lot of area that we can talk about. So,
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, if I guess we want to keep things vague,
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: it's a good way to do so, you know, because
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: it can include things like muscle strains, rib injuries, technically
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: a back injury. I think I heard you on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: radio talking about a sports herney that would technically classify
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: as a I I was wondering.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, does that count as a torso
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: because like you always hear people talk like I never
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: had one, but I you know, hear people talk about
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: that all the time.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: I think, you know, if you want to be about technical,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: really it's anything from like I said, the upper chest
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: to the pelvis and uh sports herney as a pelvis injury.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: So so there's a lot of things that you can
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: be encompassed in that uh and and and again that
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: some of them serious, some of them not and and
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: and some of them are gonna be kind of lingering,
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: nagging problems. You know, when when you're talking about you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: obviously we know that we're talking about a position here
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: with our quarterback, and anything that involves twisting or torn
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: in the torso if you're if you're at the quarterback,
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: you gotta throw the ball. That's that's gonna be tough,
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: you know, and account for that. You can imagine how much.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Any thrower, swinger, kicker, golf like anything that's rotational, anything
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that has to do with that torso is going to
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: be a huge impact.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: It's gonna be tough.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: And then you even think about the regular day to
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: day you cough, you sneeze, you take a deep breath,
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: you have to.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: Get out of a recliner when you're watching TV.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: When you're it's like.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: Living so so so these are things you know, you
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: do your bes to manage, and depending on the injury,
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: there's there's things that can be done. You know, we've
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: talked about different injections to try and help things heal
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: some of the stem cells and things like that. Sometimes
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: it's about pain control, you know, little anti inflammatory mentioned.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Sometimes there are times would use light of cane for
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: certain injuries. We've had guys with rib fractures where we'll
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• 29:19
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• 29:20
  Speaker 6: These are gonna be tough injuries. You know, it's especially
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: in that type of position.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And one of the things like you don't even
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: think about with like any injury like that. I remember
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I had like a lower abnomal like strain one time,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Like I remember what year it was, and I can
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: just remember like I would be sitting down and I'd
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: let it, you know, I wouldn't be stretched out. Then
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: all of sudden I get up out of a chair
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and I just like, you know, arch my back a little.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Bit and it would just burn.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just because I was sitting and I was kind
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: of crouched over and then when I got up and
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I kind of like fully elongated, and it was It's brutal.
• 29:51
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• 29:53
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• 29:54
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• 29:58
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• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I basically had Planner fascia. I just for
• 30:07
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• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Like the tennis ball that I carried with me was
• 30:10
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• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I mean it was basically one with me.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: It was like I had it in both feet in
• 30:16
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• 30:21
  Speaker 3: one didn't pop, felt better, pop felt better.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Document. I asked you a question that everybody's dying to know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Have you You've seen the movie Varsity Blues. Absolutely, what
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: were they shooting into Lance Harber's knee?
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: You know, that's a great question. You know, that's a
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: great question.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: I've always I've actually always wondered that one as well,
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: you know, explode.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: I've not been around that one thus far. But it
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: didn't didn't do good things.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: To his knee. Sounds like just some good medication to me. Yeah, anyway,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to So you don't know, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: don't know doing over than West Canaan. Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: They needed you there. Hey Harbor still be playing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I need have gone to floor State or State
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: let's go where you played football.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: That movie actually came out when I was in college,
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: and I remember going to the theater watching it, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: of course I'm in Tallahassee and say place went nuts
• 31:10
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• 31:13
  Speaker 7: That's one of those memories I have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good it's a good feeling to be
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• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Locked in on LSU Football twenty four to seven. You're
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• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Right, welcome back to you, OTB.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Alandra definitely definitely got some advice from her father.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: On this one. This feels like on your dad's playlist.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no I know this one. Yeah it's a hit,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: but it is a good one. Yeah, and the other
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: made a Laudra's dad. I got same R and B taste. Yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: this feels like he got. He's like, hey, Army Thursday,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: make sure you play the hits. He's funny, he like
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: wants his own segment now. And like my mom was
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: telling me that he was hanging out in the chat
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: one day and everywhere, Like I guess it was the
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: day that I was using.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: His playlist to do it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: And people were like making comments.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: It's so funny.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: My mom said that he was like taking screenshots and
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: sending it to her.
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: He's like, I guess I'm famous now. Parents are funny.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Your old man's a Texas fan, though, right UT fan,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, Texas house, so.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: We have fully converted him into an L s U
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: fan ever since I started going to L s U.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: He did send me a picture he ordered the two
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: poncho shirts.
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: And I was like, make sure you keep your receipt
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: because if we win that Natty.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Natty back guarantee on the poncho shirts that Flynn and
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I were modeling.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: No big deal, No big deal.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: If l she wins a Natty, you send that receipt
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: and they'll give you your money back. Yeah, I see
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• 34:51
  Speaker 8: So he did.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: He is fully on the L s U bus and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: has been for years now, but he's a.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: A U T fan.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask how he feels about arch maning,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: because like right now in studio, they just showed some
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: clips from the game against UTAP and.
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: It doesn't look yeah I know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: And they were talking to Jordan Rodgers and look to
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Jordan's credit Jordan was one of the few media members
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: that came out at the beginning of the seasons like guys,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: like we're talking about first team. He was the Sporting
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: News first team quarterback on the All American team. The
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Sporting News is one of the four major All American teams,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: and to Jordan's credit, he's like, what are we doing?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: I mean to him king before even being the starter.
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: Like my point all off season was and I still
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: think Archer is going to be a good quarterback. But
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: first off, he was never going to live up to
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: the expectations people put on him this year, which is
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: a little unfair to him because he didn't ask for it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: But you're you're gonna make people hate this guy and
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: root for his downfall because you're hyping him up so
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: much and he's never even I mean, yeah, he got
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: two starts last year. Was it's Mississippi State who won
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: like three games, and then a group of five school
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: I mean, those those were his two starts a year ago. Sure,
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: he looked good, but it's a different between having a
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: spot start against a lower school and being the guy.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And he was never the guy.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: Let me see, because we were actually talking about it
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: the other day. There's like a.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm seeing the selfie that he sent me with
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: the poncho shirt on. But if there's two things to
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: me and my dad talk his ball and probably a
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: little polarizing, but we talk a lot of like politics
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: But we were talking.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: About the Arch Manning thing, and I think his thing
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: is it's kind of funny because you know, you see
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the yips, yeah, and like pictures. Yeah, I don't ever
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: think I've.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Seen like the cow block playing second base for the Yankees,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: but you couldn't throw it to first base.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think I have seen a quarterback get the yips.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: But that's kind of my dad's thought, like that Arch,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: you put so much pressure on him, the media did,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: and there's so much expects that that's hit. Like, like
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I just texted him he's had mental issues. Needs to
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: go back to last season when he was loose and
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: not feeling pressure. So I think his opinion is the
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: same as everybody else is too, where there's so much
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: external pressure on him that it kind of got in
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: his head a little bit.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And yeah, show you force the issue and you do
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: different things. You play outside yourself. Now I get.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I actually think, like I went back and I watched
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: their game Monday, Sarkisian's putting him in a good spot
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to be able to be successful. Like he's actually given
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: him an outlet on every single play, and right now
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Arch is just not even seeing the outlet, like he's
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: not like he's putting crossers in front of his face
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: and Arch is throwing them in the ground or throwing
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: them too wide.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: And it's so i'd like to get just like matts
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: thoughts on this. I've seen a couple of play and
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: again this is from somebody who's never played football before,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: doesn't know anything about mechanics or throws or anything. But
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I have seen a couple of clips on like Twitter,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: YouTube or whatever where they're saying he's throwing kind of
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: like side armed and it looks like it's regressing. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: it looks like for Arch, like it looks like he's
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: regressing in his mechanics a little bit.
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: But again I don't know, So I would like to
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: get like your.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Let me address what you said about the yips. Yeah,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: now the yips, like for we all kind of heard
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the term like putters get it in golf. Yeah, they
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: just overthink it. So the yips is overthinking. It's something
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that's complicated, like a fine motor skill situation or a
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: very thoughtful situation. You're overthinking it and you can't get
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: past this mental hurdle. Yip says, a quarterback is never
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: really mechanical. Yeah, it's all mental and vision. So like
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: when you get the yips as a quarterback, when things start,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: when things start going bad, like your vision starts to
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: narrow and you don't go through your progressions. You don't
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: see the defense as well. And I've been there, Like,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: get a practice, I've been there. In a game, like
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: when things aren't going well, you start pressing a little bit,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you start aiming the ball and you start trying not
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to make a mistake. But when you do that, it
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: narrows the field your vision. And we always talk about
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: how you start a game with a young quarterback is
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you get completions, and every time you get a completion,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that vision widens a little bit. Another one it widens
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. Then at some point, when a
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: quarterback gets into the air quote quote unquote, like gets
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: into a rhythm, you're seeing the entire field like you're
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: seeing the progressions you're reading the defenses, just like your
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: coach has told you. But when chaos is happening around
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you physically, but also the pressure that's being put on you,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: chaos is happening mentally, spiritually, emotionally, everything. I can only
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: imagine how much he's pressing and how much he cannot
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: see because that and it's nothing on him. And I
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: heard you when I walked in back in the room,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: like you're talking about how unfair it is the pressure
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: putting on to him because he's in a no win situation.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: It was like, is he overrated? Overrated? Well, technically yeah,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: because we raised him.
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: So hard, right, first team All American before he ever started, man,
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: like he was never going to live up to the.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: X oh boy had him like a mock draft number
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: one in the draft. Like it is so unfair. Yeah,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I think the kid can be good. I think he
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: can be really good. They gotta let him play.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Honestly, would we even be saying that he's overrated right now,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: given how he's played three games into the season right exactly,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Like we would probably just be like he's an okay quarterback.
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: He's a first year starter, and it's hard to play
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: quarterback but look at Week one, like we had talked
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: about this, right, quarterbacks that went on the road week
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: one in their first game were awful. Arch was bad,
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: Ty Simpson was bad. Like they had They don't have
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: any experience playing quarterbacks hard. You were talking about the yips,
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: like we keep using that where I can give you
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: a great example. Remember Sam Darnold in New York. There's
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: all that pressure on him. The team around him was awful.
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: He had never been a starter. He got thrown in
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: there as a rookie. And remember he was really honest
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: with the media, and everybody craped on him for it
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: because he was talking about you see a ghost out
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: there at times, like I was taking sacks when I
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: shouldn't have. It wasn't seeing anything. He moves on, he
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: gets a little bit more experienced. Jurnal's a good NFL
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: quarterback now, ye, I mean he had to go through
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: you do.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times with the quarterbacks too, you
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: get the you get the yips, especially if you have
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: another element with your feet and your legs, but you
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: rely on that a lot. So what happens when that
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: when you want to rely on your legs because it's
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: a safe place for a quarterback they can run. You
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: look at one receiver and then you don't look at
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: the dbs after that, after your first read, you look
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: down to see if any colors flashing on the other team.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: That's going to give you a lane to run right.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And when they don't do that, then you can't look
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: You can't look up and look down, then look back
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: up your toast. You're done. So they try to rely
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: on I think that's probably what he's getting into is
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he wants to be able to go make a play
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: with his feet, because at that point you're playing backyard ball.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You can just let the talent flow.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll step away, close out hour number two
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• 44:22
  Speaker 5: He has an awesome crashout.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Good, tell me you're insecure without saying you're for sure.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: For sure, here's the thing that he has to understand.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: And this is a credit to Clemson. They are now
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: in the club of Alabama, Ohio State l s U. Georgia,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: where for a long time it was a verb because
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: you found ways to lose games. Clemsoning was a verb, right,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: people talked about it. Well, now you're you're a pillar
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: of college football. And when you're a pillar, when things
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: are going great, they're high highs. When things are going bad,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you're held to a different standard, a standard that oftentimes
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: is unfair. Ryan Day went through it last year, well,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Forty one one.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Right, Coach O wins the national championship, maybe the best
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: college football team we've ever seen.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: A year and half later, he's gone.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: That's just what it is in places like that, there's
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: like five of them.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Clemson's in that club now.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: It did have some Mike Gundy vibes because he's like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I'm fifty five.
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: He's like, I'm fifty five. I'm not going to the
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: beach or something like that.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if Clemson's tired of winning, they can send me
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else. And
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Coach I ain't going to the beach. Hell, I'm fifty five.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I got a long way to go. The credit credit to.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Dubbin for getting Clemson where they are.
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: But all he does is, look, how about this program
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: was before I got there, Like.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've been there a while while it's been
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: a minute, Like stop flashback and dude our three would
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: you rather? Dear Delane, you're all coming back your way
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: here on O TV.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Off the bench,