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fumccollingswood.org. Thanks for joining us for this
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conversation. So, Jeremy, you preached this
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past Sunday and you were jumping us from Acts back to Genesis and
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making the connection there between the day of Pentecost and
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the Tower of Babel and what God was doing in undoing what
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humanity had done at Babel. But tell me, how was Santa Claus
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supposed to figure into this sermon series?
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This sermon? One of my alternative message
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titles was Is Santa Claus real? And Scott was just like Santa
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Claus and Penteclaus question mark.
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I was like, is it not obvious? Scott?
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No, it was was thinking about how we start the, you know, as
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every kid as you grow, when you start to question if Santa Claus
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is real or not. And you're going through all
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these things and had a story of my Santa Claus used to come to
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my family's gathering every Christmas Eve, my aunt's house
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and give us all like a pre Christmas present.
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And then I was at the age where I started to like, you're like,
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I'm on to this. And so when he came through the
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door, I was like, that's Uncle Dennis in a costume.
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And then and then my Uncle Dennis peeked his head out from
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downstairs. He's like right here, bud.
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And I was like, jaw dropped. Turns out it was my cousin
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Billy, but a second cousin who's older and looks more like Santa
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Claus. And yeah.
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But it's this whole like, OK, when we start questioning the
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giver of the gifts, like we start seeking out the evidence
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to support even the existence of the giver of the gifts.
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And So what evidence do we have to uphold what we what we
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proclaim as truth on Pentecost? And so that's where that could
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have gone. But then like as I was gone I
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was like I feel like I need to stay on one Rd. instead of tap
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dancing on two or three so. Yeah, I was wondering if it was
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going to be a little bit more along the lines of going back to
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what Jesus said in Luke elevenish, where he was talking
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and told the disciples, you know, how much more will the
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Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask and kind
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of tie it in if you ask, if we don't ask where you're going to
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get, you know? Oh, that's a good one too.
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But yeah, yeah. But no, that's how Santa Claus
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was going to potentially make an appearance.
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There you go. Yeah, the things you never quite
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know what's going to show up in. Isn't that terrifying for you,
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Scott I? Mean a little bit, a little bit.
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Yep, Sunday morning. Are we going to mention Acts 2
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during the server? I assumed that you were, but I
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wanted to be prepared. If not, it's important to read
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those stories. It is over and over again and
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so. Yeah, that's, that's all very,
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very important, you know? Yeah.
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Just like even in On Palm Sunday, I didn't necessarily
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preach about Palm Sunday Scripture passage, but tied it
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in earlier in the service and were able to reference back to
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it. So just that kind of thing.
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Yeah, yeah. The the the things the senior
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pastor thinks about it. 5 minutes till 9:00 on Sunday
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morning. Anything else that you were
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hoping to get into the sermon or that you did get in but maybe
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felt like in hindsight, you're like, oh, I wish I'd spent a
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little more. Yeah, well, I mean, it was more
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two things just to like keep it connected to like the the title
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of the message, I guess to Infinity and beyond to even just
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like rehash that connection. So it's like, you know, he
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shouts to Infinity and beyond, but he's very much stuck in the
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finite and limited within his circumstances.
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He's not. And then could have more
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smoothly ended the sermon with like the on our own.
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You know, we can fall with style, but with the Holy Spirit
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we can go to Infinity and beyond.
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Yeah, I feel like would have been a smoother clothes.
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But someone had even mentioned me.
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They're like, it looked like you were going to say something a
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little more at the end there. And, and at the very last
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second, I felt like partially led.
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And maybe as I'm learning more and more to listen to the soft
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whisper, I should have just done it, but I thought I might have
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been running overtime. Who'd a thunk of sharing
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testimony from the Awakening project and just, but like
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literally didn't even think of that before that moment.
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And then I was like, I don't know how to transition into
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that. I don't know how necessarily
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what part of that I'd be directly connecting to what I
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just shared and but now I'm kind of in a in a moment of regret
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that I didn't just go with it and the Lord doesn't need good
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organization for a spirit to speak.
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So kind of yeah, beating myself up on that one for not sure.
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Just trust in the the little nudge it's.
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One of the worst things is after you've preached A sermon and
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you're like. Oh.
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I don't know about you, but for me it's always like a, oh, I
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could have said that better, or maybe I should have said this,
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or maybe, yeah, it's always like a autopsy afterwards and I'm
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second guessing. Well, there's like, yeah,
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there's the little things that like.
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I feel good about it. Yeah, that like, oh, if I had
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just a little more time, then I, I would have preferred those two
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things I'd mentioned. But this was way more like the
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in the moment. And like, even now in retrospect
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is like, OK, I could have tied it, but like, I feel like God
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knew what he wanted to do with it.
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And I, I hesitated and yeah, done it, but I don't even know
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which like, because even in that moment I was like, I have 3 or 4
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testimonies that I, that I think show the power of the Holy
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Spirit. And a couple of them, well,
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technically all of them didn't involve just me, but a couple of
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them in included our college kids.
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And I didn't want to, without their permission, share what
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might be more their testimony than mine to share.
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So that's why I yeah. Any of them you feel like you
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could share with us now? So at Awakening Project, which
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was this conference for college kids and young adults with the
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goal of equipping and inspiring revival individually and into
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our communities. And they just really created a
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safe environment to explore time with God how you want to in the
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worship sessions, how you want to praise, how you want to
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receive, really, really hard to articulate their.
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Tagline is creating communities of encounter and mission.
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Yeah, they succeeded. Yeah, they succeeded.
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And I think it really stretched all of us in the best way.
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And so all of us are yearning for something or pursuing
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something new afterwards, even if it's all different and for
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different reasons. As it should be, right?
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Because we've been talking about throughout this whole sermon
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series, right? He gives different gifts to
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different people. He's got different roles for
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different people to play. So he's going to meet people in
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different ways. Yeah.
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And so I during one of the things they do to bridge the
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community, because there's maybe like 3 to 500 people in
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attendance. So you're kind of seeing the
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same group every single day is they do kind of like a find a
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stranger get to know you question in the opening sections
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of each session. And so even though you only talk
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to them for like maybe 2 minutes, then just the way the
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community behaves or the culture of this community we cultivate
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so quickly is then like throughout the day, you're just
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like, hey, and you're just like, that's your person.
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And so one of the people I got to know, her name is Sophia.
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And as soon as I heard Sophia, I was like Latina.
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And so we started talking in Spanish.
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And yeah, so, so we had like the quickest 2 minute encounter.
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And then the day after that, we were doing our last session and
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they were sharing testimony after testimony after testimony
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was like a testimony service. It was incredible.
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And I could see her from across the room and was just like, I
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don't know. I felt like God was wanting me
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to share with her that she belonged in both communities.
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She fully belonged in both communities.
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And I connected that with my being biracial and my mom always
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felt bad that she's like, I don't fully belong in the
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States. I don't fully belong in Mexico.
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And then the Lord revealed to her that like, no, I get double.
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It's not half of each. It's not less than, but I I get
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double and it's a gift and a blessing and it is.
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So I was like, Oh, she must, you know, also be biracial.
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And this is what God wants me to like pass on to her.
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And I kept hesitating because I was like, we're listening to
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these great testimonies. I don't want to distract from
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like testimony time. Maybe later I can, I can find
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her and just kept feeling that nudge.
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So walked around the room and knelt on the knee.
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She was sitting and listening and I was like, Hey, she's like,
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oh, hey, Jeremy. And I was like, by chance, are
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you biracial? She's like, no.
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And I was like, well, I don't know where to go from there.
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Just kind of like I pause that you could see what like my
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little shock. And she was like, but but keep
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going. What did you what did you want
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to say? But I love that because because
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sometimes we hear something from God and we filter it through our
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own filters and we think we know what he's trying to say or how
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he's trying to come at something but tell the rest of the story.
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And so, and feel free to stop at any point because I know there's
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pieces to it that people may not understand how it applies to
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their own process. Yeah.
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So she's like, oh, we'll keep going.
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And I was like, I feel like God was leading me to share with you
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that you fully belong in both communities.
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And she takes off her glasses and just bursts into tears.
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And I was like, oh, what did I do?
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Or like, or like obviously like I, I've done, it's happened
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enough times. I'm like, OK, it was definitely
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God. And I'm, I'm, it's not like,
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what did I do? It's like, what did God do?
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And I have 0 context for what? For what he's doing.
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What did I just step into with? Yeah, yeah.
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And so she, she started opening up and I'll give you like the
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combine because she shared a little bit then to try and catch
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me up. And then after the service, she
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found me and wanted to give me more context.
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But apparently she grew up in Mexico up until the age of 6.
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And then they moved to Tennessee.
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And she's been going back and forth and didn't feel fully a
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part of the culture in Tennessee, didn't feel fully a
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part of the culture in Mexico, and felt like she had dealt with
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that healing. And as soon as I said those
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words, she said it was like the wound was reopened and healed at
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the same time. And but what was more pertinent
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to our current situation is that she's an art major and art
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student. And she feels like the art world
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is very liberal, progressive, and not very fond of
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Christianity. So she feels like she's too
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Christian for the art community, but to artsy for the Christian
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community, and has been really struggling to balance that in
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our daily life. And the Lord wanted to speak
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into that. And then later she even gave me
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a context of that. She used to write short stories
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and the main character was based off of herself and she always
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depicted the character as biracial.
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Because of that tension. Because of that tension.
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And so I was just like, wow, God's so good.
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And so we're both like, just celebrating like that God cares
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enough to, you know, talk to her and meet her in that moment and
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all that kind of stuff. And that was just one of dozens
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of testimonies we heard during Awakening Project.
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But that was definitely, yeah, an incredible thing to
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participate in and witness God move and speak.
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And yeah, yeah. And just such a good example,
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right, of how we can think we know what God wants to do, but
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sometimes we get it wrong and he still uses it right.
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We don't have to know what God's trying to do in order to be
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faithful to do what he's asked us to do, whether that's sharing
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words or actually physically doing something.
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We don't know all the ways that that he's moving and working and
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that's OK. Yeah, yeah, it's scary.
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Yeah. For sure.
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It's intimidating when you're like.
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Oh, this isn't the way I go in the way I thought it was going
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to go. Yeah.
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And like even just within the circumstances of like, there's
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got to be a better time, right? We're in the middle of receiving
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and listening and learning. And I feel like I'm just about
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to, you know, distract her from what God is already doing in
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this space. And so, yeah, I kind of which
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then makes me more flustered that I didn't just share, like
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take the moment to pause. I even thought about as we were
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singing to him, like, is there a way for me to like, bring it
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back, share it and then do the benediction.
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Then people are standing and we have to tell them to sit and
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then like all About me in format and, you know, expectations for
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church, instead of just taking that time to formulate it, share
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it, and trusting that God can use it.
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Because one of the beautiful things I think in Tyler
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Stanton's book and the chapter on prophecy.
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His book, The Familiar Stranger. Yes, sorry.
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The book that they've been reading in Sunday school, The
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Familiar stranger. He talks about how through
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Christian history, we have assumed, grown to assume, that
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the most important words spoken on a Sunday are from the
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preaching and the teaching. Yeah.
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And sometimes God wants to something more powerful with
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something much more simpler and less prepared.
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And so that's where I'm like this kind of been like, God
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could have wanted this and use this for something far greater
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than anything I prepped earlier. And so, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, but and sometimes it's just a word, right?
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Or you know you belong in both cultures.
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Yeah, you fully belong in both spaces or communities.
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I think it's communities. It's like. 5 or 6 words, right?
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It wasn't like he gave you a whole sermon to preach to her.
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It wasn't, it wasn't like he gave you a scripture passage.
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It's just 5 or 6 words. Yeah, and the amount of and.
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That was enough. Healing and reassurance and
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clarity that he's able to provide.
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Yeah, through that, which is way holier than our man efforts as
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we were talking about on Sunday. Like, you know, I could have
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been like, oh, how to inspire this person in this context and
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tried to ramble on for two hours and it not have the same effect
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as God. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and I think it what you're describing goes back to what I
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was talking about a couple weeks ago in that sermon that I called
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the empowered life, right? Where the four different lenses
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that kind of come? Together, yeah.
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Yeah, the Venn diagram that kind of puts the empowered life right
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at the middle though. It's it's that faithful walking
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with the Spirit using using the gifts when that's how he chooses
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to. But I think while some people
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are given a specific gift of prophecy or words of knowledge
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or whatever you want to call out there, we're all supposed to be
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in communication with him, right?
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And it's, it's that intimate relationship where when he
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speaks, we listen and we respond hopefully in obedience.
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Would you say in your own experience that when God speaks
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to you like that it feels more like that's what he wants for
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everyone? Or does this feel like it's
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different than how God speaks to other?
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People what I've experienced, yeah, I can't speak for all
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other people, but but. In talking with other people.
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I haven't met someone that that's had the same exact
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experience. I've met others like Ivan
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Philby, yeah, who wrote the book Speak Tenderly, that I feel like
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has gotten similar clarity. But even even when when talking
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about it with other people that have had similar experiences, it
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can vary so differently on like because it's hard to articulate.
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Like it's hard to articulate the exact sensation or feeling or
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thought process or discerning. And there's some healthy ways to
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navigate it. But God's always working in new
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like even in the times that it's happened with me, it's been
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slightly different each time. I feel like I'm starting to have
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a better, maybe like conversational dynamic with God.
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We're like. I'm more aware of how he's
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speaking to me or trying to lead me.
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Yeah, because of multiple instances that are similar.
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But yeah, I don't know how. To let me reframe it then, yeah,
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when, when God spoke to you about Sophia, did it seem
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different than how you normally interact with God?
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Oh, for sure. I wasn't even talking about
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anything. Yeah.
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Like I was listening to the testimonies and then look over.
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I was like, oh, Sophia. And then it was on the
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testimonies. And then he just kept like re
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diverting my attention. And so that's one of the ways in
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which I know he's usually nudging at me because like I'd
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see someone like Sophie and be like, oh, it's nice, Focus on
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the testimony, not think of her again.
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Like, it just how my brain works.
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And so when it's like this constant redirecting, when it's
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like this isn't really what I want to focus on in the moment,
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then that similarly to testimony I think I've already shared on
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the podcast from winner Retreat couple years ago, 2 winners ago,
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we're like, I'm just trying to focus on worship and leading the
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kids and all that kind of stuff. And God just kept kind of like
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re diverting my attention. And so that's been most of my
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experiences for myself. At Ivan Philby's session, he
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like was showing how to more how he tries to seek after it.
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And so that was interesting. It's worked before, but that's
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not normally how it's happened for me.
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But maybe I should be seeking it more like that more regularly.
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I don't, yeah. I don't know.
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It's when with all this being new territory for listeners,
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right, And also for us as it's trying to navigate it.
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Well, is interesting. I think going to look a little
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different for everyone, but we're still pursuing the same
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God, not pursuing the same gifts, but pursuing the same
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God. And He'll bless and provide and
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use us however He. And that's really the key,
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right? Even not just that we're
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pursuing the same God and not the same gifts, but we need to
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pursue God the giver rather than the gifts, right?
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Because it's, it's as we grow in intimacy with God that he
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reveals more to us. He leads, we're more open to his
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leading. And then as we obey and we show
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that we're going to be faithful, when He does lead us, then He
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entrusts us with more. Yeah, yeah.
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One of the things they said during our worship time at
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Awakening Project was that we praise and worship because he's
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worthy and that should be it. Now when we praise and worship,
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a byproduct may be that we are blessed by Him and we sense His
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presence more strongly, but we do not worship and praise Him in
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order to be blessed and sense His presence.
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It's just, it's those little perspective shifts that can make
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all the difference for sure. It's like when you go to the eye
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doctor and they're like one or two and get the two different
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lenses and. You know it's.
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Like all of a sudden you're like, oh, that's what I've been
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missing. Or you just memorize the letters
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on the chart like me and you but.
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That's not helpful. No, it's not helpful.
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It's not helpful. It's like when you know how to
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say all the words and do all the practices and be all the
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Christian Y stuff. And so people be like, Oh my
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gosh, they can see clearly because they, you know, know all
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that stuff. I didn't even know all that
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stuff. And yeah, there can be some
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trickery and tomfoolery, not even intentionally all the time.
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Sometimes we can just convince ourselves and we don't take the
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time to really step back and even recognize that that's what
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we're doing. I think the last thing I would
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mention is just the what I loved about the Awakening Project is
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this freedom to explore without fear of judgement and shame and
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their worship and the use of their spiritual gifts and all of
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these things. And even in discussion class
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this week, people were talking about, well, oh, I don't know if
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I want to go worship at the altar at any point in the
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service because people will be like trying to figure out why I
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went up to the altar and I'll. Wish we could break.
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That and all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, we're really,
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really far back from the freedom that we experienced from the
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Awakening project where we had college young adults hands up
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worshipping. We had them on their knees.
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We had them sitting up against the wall and their Bibles during
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worship. Some flat on their face.
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Some went up straight to the cross and just sat at the cross.
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Others just going up and, and praying over each other in the
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background during, you know, the we're singing time.
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And so I think it's not only a detriment to our worship to not
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have an environment and culture with the freedom to do that or
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feel like you have the freedom to do that without judgement at
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which also, I mean, this is more for me, not saying we should do
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this here, but they intentionally said come with as
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comfortable clothes as possible because we just want you to be
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comfortable in the space physically and in every other
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aspect. And so it wasn't about what you
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were wearing. It was focused on the freedom
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and worship. I think the detriment it not
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only has on our community as we worship, but I think with our
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college kids when they went and they experienced this, there was
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such disparity. No, such a disparity.
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Is that the term like a separation?
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Like they were so different than their worship experience at
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home? Such a.
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Distinction between the two that it was, are we doing it wrong?
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Am I doing it wrong? Am I not really Christian
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because I don't worship like that.
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And they look like they're having a deep encounter with
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God. And I've, I've never even raised
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my hands in worship. Maybe a couple times at passion
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or it's like, or are they doing it wrong and it's fabricated and
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emotional and we're doing it right and then we start building
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up our pride? Or is it like, OK, well, then
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there's so many expressions of Christian worship.
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Who's doing it right? Am I doing it wrong?
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Like, and then is it just in the expression or does it even come
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to the theology? And so we're questioning
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theology. We're questioning how we
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worship. We question the validity of our
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faith because of this drastic difference.
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And all over the world, we have we have differences.
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And I loved one of the preachers Alvarez at the Awakening Project
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was talking about how, like, in Latin America, it's super lively
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in their worship. And then they go to England and
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it's super quiet and stand still, and both parties are
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like, they're doing it wrong. And then we have all these
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different kinds, and it's OK. I think the way he described it
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is like, if you're pursuing God wholeheartedly, the way he meets
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us will look different. Yeah.
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And so it's not that it's a different God, it's not that
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it's one or the other. It's is that he expresses
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themselves differently. He's worshipped differently.
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He created such a creative spectrum within his creation
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that it's not about the what it looks like, but the hearts of
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the people and the God that they're yearning for to praise
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and worship and encounter. And so how do we, how do we open
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up the doors in our hearts and our church for the opportunity
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for people to feel comfortable and safe to worship God, how
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they feel comfortable doing so? Which then also when you do that
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and everyone starts doing that for others, that gives you more
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of a freedom to worship and meet him however you feel most
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comfortable. Yeah, I wish we could get to the
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point where we didn't think about the different parts of our
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service as being like, oh, this is the part for me and this is
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the part for other people, you know, whatever those parts might
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be. But that we could all just say,
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like, I'm going to engage as best as I can and worship here
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at this point, knowing that someone sitting a few rows away
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from me, this might be their preferred way.
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And rather than judging that it's different from the way you
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might prefer, there would be a just an openness to what the
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Spirit might want to do in the midst of that worship.
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And that was even a stretch for me at this because they didn't
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even put up lyrics on the screen.
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So no pamphlets, no books, no lyrics.
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No, you're so funny. No, it was literally and at
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first I was like, oh, maybe it's just like the opening session.
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And because it's like a few familiar songs that know the
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whole time, 3 days with probably combined like 3 1/2, four hours
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of worship. It was just, and they would jump
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like they would just do maybe like a couple verses and chorus
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from this one and jump into another one.
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We'd go into a hymn and then we'd only do like one verse and
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chorus of that hymn and then switch to something else.
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And it was beautiful and it was slow.
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But there were songs that I didn't know.
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There was at least 5 or 6 songs that I didn't know at all.
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Some of them I could pick up after a little bit and others I
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was like, I don't need to. I can still rest and praise and
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worship without having to use my voice to do so.
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And it wasn't just we know when we talk about like different
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styles or preferences. Like we had every single type
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type of song from old hymns to early 2000s Chris Tomlin to
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what's now like some of the most popular praise and worship.
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And yeah, that was really beautiful.
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And I'm sorry most of the listeners are too old to go to
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the Awakening project, but we can make our church an awakening
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project where we want to see revival and see God move in our
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midst after we seek after Him as a community, not after what we
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anticipate A revival to look like.
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Here. Well, that's our conversation
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for today, but that doesn't mean the conversation is over.
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