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#91 - Glasses Malone · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I'm honest, I'm not an asshole. All right, what are
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  Speaker 1: we doing? All right? Yo, yo, yo, it's the Bootleg
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  Speaker 1: one for you today. Listen, man, Glasses Malone, somebody who
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  Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine. I've known Glasses for
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  Speaker 1: the better part of the last ten or eleven twelve years.
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  Speaker 1: He holds a lot of opinions that are controversial and
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  Speaker 1: also not so controversial, which we talked to him about
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  Speaker 1: some of them, but uh, you know, we had to
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  Speaker 1: have Glasses Malone. He got a podcast on the Black
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  Speaker 1: get into the interview with Glasses Malone Yo, Man Boutlet
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  Speaker 1: cav podcast special guests in here. This guy is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to have been on the show a bunch of times.
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  Speaker 1: I got g Malone. Glasses Malone is here. Welcome man Man,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I'm just looking at all
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  Speaker 1: these plaques and shit plaques flax Galore Yo. You launched
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  Speaker 1: your podcast finally, yeah, which I think had been something
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  Speaker 1: that was long overdue because every time you do an interview,
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  Speaker 1: every time you you have very very polarizing opinions. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying they're wrong or right their opinions, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I'm glad. Did Charla Magne have a
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  Speaker 1: lot to do with as all? Charlottagne? Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 1: have never did it. I never would have did it.
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  Speaker 1: What what was like the deciding factory? You're like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, fuck it, I'm gonna do this podcast. Just
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  Speaker 1: trusting somebody that's a friend. Yeah. See see the hommie,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And he's given me, he's
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  Speaker 1: giving me pretty good advice up to this point. If
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  Speaker 1: I asked him, he's always been honest and sincere. So
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  Speaker 1: when he came to me, I was like, I just
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  Speaker 1: can't keep telling you no, Like I'll try it. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going. It's just getting good to me. Now
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  Speaker 1: we are about twenty four conversations in so it's starting
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  Speaker 1: to make sense. I think I did my favorite one
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  Speaker 1: the other day. It was about COVID and I talked
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  Speaker 1: to this doctor that's deal with like somewhere near I
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  Speaker 1: think his number was over two thousand patients of COVID. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: like just so many. And he was saying to us,
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  Speaker 1: just different ideas. So it was really it was it
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  Speaker 1: was very much a polarizing conversation. It was about like
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  Speaker 1: we talked about the vaccine and the confusions in the
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  Speaker 1: black community, and he understood and he started explaining what
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  Speaker 1: the vaccine were, you know, was about different ideas and
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  Speaker 1: it was good. So I thought it was dope, what
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  Speaker 1: do you have you Are you vaccinated? No? Do you
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  Speaker 1: plan on getting vaccinated? Yes? So that's something that you're
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  Speaker 1: open to. And And because you brought up the black
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  Speaker 1: community in the vaccine, because it feels like they're the
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  Speaker 1: two biggest points of the population that aren't getting vaccinated
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  Speaker 1: or like the really hardcore right wing people and then
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the African American community. When you look
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  Speaker 1: at the numbers, what do you think is like the
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  Speaker 1: disconnect or the misinformation or the And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that the vaccine is like a shoe in Like I
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  Speaker 1: think people should do whatever the fuck they want to
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  Speaker 1: their uniality, you know what I'm saying. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: the idea of forcing anyone to do anything. I think
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  Speaker 1: you should get it. It's a good idea, But I
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  Speaker 1: definitely am against any sort of like mandate because at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're still in America and
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  Speaker 1: there's some shitsu free country, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on the whole just the
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  Speaker 1: whole ship man, Like with COVID and and and the
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  Speaker 1: vaccine and all that. Right wing America and Black America
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  Speaker 1: just are the two biggest groups that don't trust the government.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why right wing America, because everything's been
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  Speaker 1: good that the government does so much good. I really
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  Speaker 1: I would like to release so I understand our concerned.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it ain't necessarily like it's been made that
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  Speaker 1: you want to help us live right. So it's always
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  Speaker 1: that confusion, and they just did a bad job with
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  Speaker 1: handling it. And I can't knock them because I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying I would have did a better one. It did
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  Speaker 1: just kind of happen fast playing, so you're making a
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  Speaker 1: thousand adjustments on the swing, and it was just so
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  Speaker 1: much misinformation the whole time. It was just like bad decisions,
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  Speaker 1: like you close down everybody's businesses, but then you open Walmart,
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  Speaker 1: which don't make sense in theory. You should have closed
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  Speaker 1: down Walmart and opened the all the small businesses and
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  Speaker 1: allow minimum people. So it's always these questions and that
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  Speaker 1: bothered people. You know what I'm saying, don't nobody black
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  Speaker 1: think America want them to live? And then everybody is like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's the same people taking them, but shit,
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  Speaker 1: they can manipulate shit. For DNA, we still got special
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  Speaker 1: things about our anatomy that make special. So it's always
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  Speaker 1: those questions, do you were you ever like you say
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  Speaker 1: you plan on getting vaccinated? Was there something were you
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  Speaker 1: ever like on the side of being like not fucked
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  Speaker 1: that I ain't doing it? Did something happen to convince
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  Speaker 1: you to do it? Or you just haven't gotten around
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  Speaker 1: to getting it yet, Well it's not first off, right,
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  Speaker 1: So obviously I don't necessarily have a ton of respect
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  Speaker 1: for the FDA. They do a horrible job, you know
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  Speaker 1: with the foods, and plus it's not even FDA proved
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  Speaker 1: right now, That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a ton of trust for the FDA, right right,
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  Speaker 1: But I do respect that they're attempting to act like
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  Speaker 1: they're trying so at least fool me a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: Like you act like you can. But if the FDA
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  Speaker 1: hasn't approved it, I'm just like, hold up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it ain't that much of an emergency. I'm not that
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  Speaker 1: scared of don enough to where I'm like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: just rush out and just do anything. Plus, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: do a ton of research on the vaccines, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I didn't know, Like it's new methods
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  Speaker 1: that they create the new vaccines with now, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like the five there, those are new methods that are
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  Speaker 1: just now being inacted where your body is creating, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from what the doctor explained to me on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: your body, you know they're giving you like the protein
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  Speaker 1: makeups and your body is creating the COVID, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the COVID virus itself, and you know you're fighting it
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  Speaker 1: with your own stuff. I don't even like the sound
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  Speaker 1: of that. That's like, you know, refining my wheat or
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  Speaker 1: refining my sugar or pasteurizing my damn milk. Stop fucking
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  Speaker 1: with my ship. Give me, you know, make it a
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  Speaker 1: little weaker, you know. So if I do it, I
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I do it, I would do the
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  Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson. That's me obviously, the Johnson and Johnson
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  Speaker 1: and fucked up a lot of people. But me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I would fuck with. Just take the one,
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  Speaker 1: the one one and done. Well. It's the old school way,
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  Speaker 1: with the old school type vaccine, Yeah, where they take
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  Speaker 1: the virus waking it up a little bit so your
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  Speaker 1: body could That's how it used to be. So I
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  Speaker 1: like that way versus you know again, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: of this modern stuff of you know, convenience speed. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not tripping. I got time. Like I'd rather fight it
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  Speaker 1: and deal with it like that way. Yeah, I think that,
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  Speaker 1: like for me, like this whole COVID shit is, like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm tired of this shit, it's to
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  Speaker 1: the point where it's like, damn, there's a new variant.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like, especially here, you know, we ain't
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  Speaker 1: fucking liberal. It's hope. You know, we are in the
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  Speaker 1: most liberal well, I mean Portland. You could do Heroin
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  Speaker 1: and it's all right, but you know, but we're in California.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. It's pretty close to liberal. It's this
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  Speaker 1: liberal of the world. Yeah, and it's funny you said that.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as you said that, it made me think
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  Speaker 1: of something so like, I was so unvested in the
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  Speaker 1: conversation of conservative and liberals, so I didn't realize how
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  Speaker 1: states view each other as states. And I remember I'm
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  Speaker 1: jumping on the guy yellow Wolf. I'm jumping on his
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  Speaker 1: head because he talking about California. I'm not realizing he
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  Speaker 1: talking about that whole liberal conservative ship. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: telling like, cause you better watch what you say. Like now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I get it. This is some white
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  Speaker 1: people white people shit. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know Yo was talking about California. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: had like this crazy This was like about two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like talking shit like you know, fucking
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  Speaker 1: yuppie motherfuckers and fucking liberal talking shit like, hey, bro,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta take California out to your mouth like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't realize I was ignorant to the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Why just mean in terms of like how like everyone
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  Speaker 1: handled right? Well, I'm talking about right now, how we
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  Speaker 1: see everything getting handled right? So I could see California
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  Speaker 1: and shut down again. Yeah, I can see it happening
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  Speaker 1: because we got to put on the show. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: we gotta act like we care about the citizens right
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  Speaker 1: right right now. I don't know if that's gonna happen
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  Speaker 1: with a Gavin trying to keep his gig, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's real bad for the slick looking
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  Speaker 1: real bad. But no, in terms of just like COVID,
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  Speaker 1: like I think I've kind of been on all spectrums
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  Speaker 1: of like I'm over this shit. Okay, I have had it,
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  Speaker 1: I got vaccined. What the fuck else do you need
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  Speaker 1: me to do? It's just don't work that way, man,
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  Speaker 1: They gotta You know, the thing about California, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even down to the culture itself, is all about saving face.
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  Speaker 1: So California always trying to save face from the top
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  Speaker 1: of the food chain. Such a huge economy on its
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  Speaker 1: own that everyone looks at Cali. You know, obviously, places
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  Speaker 1: like New York As like this the example for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the country. Then you got motherfuckers like Texas
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  Speaker 1: who are like, suck my Florida, Florida dark. Then I
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  Speaker 1: love I love the attitude. That's the gangster rap attitude.
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  Speaker 1: Texas and Florida is the full gainst the rap. You
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  Speaker 1: talked about conservative liberal shit. I feel like people could
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  Speaker 1: go onto your Twitter at any given time during the
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  Speaker 1: election and during the last few years and maybe confuse
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  Speaker 1: you or label you as a black conservative because I've
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  Speaker 1: seen you retweet shit from Candice Owens and so where
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  Speaker 1: do you cause you're You're like, I love you because
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  Speaker 1: you're unapologetic yourself and I'm honest with you and and
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  Speaker 1: what you think, you will say it no matter whose feelings. Again,
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  Speaker 1: the funniest shit I ever saw you say was about
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  Speaker 1: Rick Ross's clothes, and yo, Ross is a boss, but
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  Speaker 1: the killer those clothes ain't made in his size. In
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  Speaker 1: my top five you feel me is my favorite and
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  Speaker 1: he's still mad at me for but I'm like, it's
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  Speaker 1: not about him as much as it's about how the
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  Speaker 1: public wants to view. You know what the conversation is.
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  Speaker 1: You know how much they wanted exaggerated, so you know
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  Speaker 1: you anyway, they don't make that shirt in five X right,
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  Speaker 1: they don't make none of that shit. But no, But like,
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  Speaker 1: you're so honest with your opinion, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: white people love you. I think it's white people follow you.
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  Speaker 1: I think too, there's the reason why they hate you.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm curious, like there's definitely some of your viewpoints.
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  Speaker 1: Would you consider yourself a black conservative? And I'm probably
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  Speaker 1: the most liberal person in America. That's to being honest.
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  Speaker 1: But what I'm not is full of shit. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the problem with the liberal population. It's more for front,
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  Speaker 1: it's more for face values. Feel good inside. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: want to look like they want people to look at
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  Speaker 1: me I'm a good person, versus I genuinely am a
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  Speaker 1: good person. I give a fuck. I genuinely care about
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  Speaker 1: those points. So I could never stand on the side
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  Speaker 1: with them. And the thing I respect about conservative is
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  Speaker 1: they genuinely the piece of shit that they are. Right. See,
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  Speaker 1: I could fuck with anything genuine I can't fuck with
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  Speaker 1: things when people faking like it's some kind of confusion
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  Speaker 1: that like, you know, the concept of racism is just
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  Speaker 1: rooted in conservative Noah, Liberals in the same fucking way.
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  Speaker 1: They just acting like they fuck with you. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that the most frustrause I would say that, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: historically very liberal. I've voted Democrat every time, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I think that what's crazy about
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  Speaker 1: what Trump did was he brought out the radicals on
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  Speaker 1: every side exactly because the liberals get so gangst them. Man,
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  Speaker 1: them dudes have some shit. It was a brother out there. Man,
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  Speaker 1: This motherfucker was talking crab he ready, I'm ready, I
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  Speaker 1: beat somebody ass. I'm like, the fuck is going on? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Trump brought out the crazy racist like scum of the
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  Speaker 1: earth that was always there, but now they're more comfortable
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  Speaker 1: saying it, and you know which I was good with.
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  Speaker 1: And then on the other end, it's like cancel culture
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  Speaker 1: is so prevalent now, and it's like there's this loud
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  Speaker 1: minority on Twitter of people that control corporations, that control celebrities.
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  Speaker 1: Cause it's like it might be a a hundred motherfuckers
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter, but if you get a hundred tweets and
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  Speaker 1: you're a celebrity, because you said something that might not
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  Speaker 1: sit well with whatever the fuck is the the woke
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  Speaker 1: fucking talking point for the week. You gotta go and apologize,
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I just think it
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  Speaker 1: sucks because now literally there's no like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: reason and like just being a normal person that's not crazy.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: It's like it's hard nowadays because there's each extreme on
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  Speaker 1: each side controls, whether it's the media, whatever it's on TV,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, to know what you're being controlled
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  Speaker 1: by people get and also giving a fuck of what
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: people think. Well, you're controlled by money, right, So like
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  Speaker 1: like let's say the baby in his situation, Right, he's
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  Speaker 1: only losing because he allowed them to control how much
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  Speaker 1: money he's making. He allowed them to say, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: book me on these festivals until we decide that this
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  Speaker 1: is our culture and we are controlling it and we
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  Speaker 1: could do our own thing. We empower them laying mass
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  Speaker 1: festivals facts, We empower those juppy ass events. We're the
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  Speaker 1: reason that you exist. It's some kind of confusion that
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: we need you. It's some kind of confusion that Rolling Loud.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't make that shit. We made that shit. You
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  Speaker 1: take us off of that shit. That shit is nothing
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: but a fucking reject version of fucking will stop right
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: so again until we understand the power in our culture
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  Speaker 1: that this hip hop shit is. Well, guess what, every
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: time we try to go to mainstream America, anytime they
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: feel like they want to, they could just slap us
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  Speaker 1: down and be like, fuck you, nigga, get damn bam.
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  Speaker 1: But if we decided to take it into our own
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  Speaker 1: hands and control it, then we could say what we
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: want to. We could control our own message. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: we have the control of the dollars. I think the
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  Speaker 1: Baby's probably the first example. I think I really feel
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  Speaker 1: like where there's like motherfuckers if he's not canceled. This
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  Speaker 1: is the closest I've seen someone as far as hip
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  Speaker 1: hop is concerned of like a superstar right now. I'm
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: not talking about rappers that have said dumb shit and
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  Speaker 1: then we don't hear from him. I mean a superstar,
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  Speaker 1: right And honestly, I think what the Baby said at
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  Speaker 1: best is ignorant. At best is ignorant, but really, at
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  Speaker 1: the least it's just exclusionary. Like I wouldn't be mad
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  Speaker 1: if I went to a concert with Elton John and
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  Speaker 1: he jamming his songs, bro, and he like, hey, if
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  Speaker 1: you suck Dick's make some noise. As a man, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad. I just wouldn't make noise. Feel me,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, oh, you know Elton John excluded
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  Speaker 1: me in these conversations, bro. Stop trying to always be included.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's wrong with America now. They always want to
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  Speaker 1: act like everybody needs to be included. That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: You just don't need to be discriminated against or necessarily,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: you know, somebody being bigoted your prejudice, But I don't
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  Speaker 1: got to fuck with you. We were so desperate to
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  Speaker 1: make everybody fuck with each other man fuck that. It's
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: like everybody wants to be included in everything, but isn't necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Don't got nothing to do with you. My views, as
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: much as my views are liberal, I would never be
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  Speaker 1: with them pussies, this crip like I got way too
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  Speaker 1: much attitude. My shit is too stand up and conservatives
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  Speaker 1: at least, they're just assholes feel me. And I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: be that because I don't have those views, but I
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  Speaker 1: respect that it's authentic and it's from this is who
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  Speaker 1: we are versus somebody y'all the same way, but y'all
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  Speaker 1: trying to act like y'all give a fuck about people
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  Speaker 1: the baby like I really didn't think. Like, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: we've been to plenty of rap shows, plenty of nightclubs
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  Speaker 1: where they say, yo, if you pussy, don't stink, if
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  Speaker 1: you ain't got no pussies, get mad. If he's just
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  Speaker 1: cluding us, my pussy stinks, it's not my have a
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  Speaker 1: I have a I have a fucking He just cluded me.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like what he what what he
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  Speaker 1: did was rooted in like a real thing in the clubs,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the South. It's normal. Now did did In
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, did he fuck up? Sure? I think the
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  Speaker 1: worst thing he said was the HIV thing, but because
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: it was insensitive, but at the same time, right, all
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: he I mean, and I'm not saying that he needed
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to do this, but all he really had to do
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: was be like, hey man, you know, if you've ever
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: been to the club in the South, this is just
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: how we I just said, some crazy ship off the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: top of my head. Obviously if you have HIV, that
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: was you know, he doubled he like quadrupled down on
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: that show. But you're supposed to right and again right.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: It's not saying everybody, he's not. He didn't say everybody
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: with HIV or age dies in two to three weeks.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: That's not what he said. He said, if you didn't,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: if you don't have age or some shit, that you're
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: gonna die two to three weeks. Make noise, Make some noise. Again,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things where we are hearing somebody
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and not listening to them, and we're reacting. Listen, if
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: you really cared about the baby, what you would have did,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you would say, hey, man, you need to sit down
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: with Magic Johnson. Y'all need to have a conversation on tape.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: This is required for me. He will educate you and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you lace Magic with the tips and they have a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: conversation that's recorded. You put it on TV. Educate people.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Let this man go get his fucking money. But again,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: it's not about that. It's about nigga. You better watch
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: what you say. It ain't about none of the other shit.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It's a thousand motherfuckers that said words. But nigga, watch
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: what you say. You're getting out of line. Nigga. You
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you feel me, you're getting out of control. Well, I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: think what you said too is like a lot of
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: this shit is about saving face or or acting like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: you care. Right, So if you're if as soon as
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: one festival took him off, you knew any other festival
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that kept him on would look like they're a promotion point.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Oh no, they're homophobic, or like you said, all the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: festivals that took them off. You saw it on the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Shade Room, You saw their flyer on every single news outlet,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So it was like, not only is it free promotion,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but it also checks the box of like, Okay, we
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: kind of have to do this because one motherfucker took
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: them off. If they if every other festival doesn't follow suit,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get looked at like they're they're homophobic. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think I just think that, like like you said,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: like I liked what Miightley Cyrus posted because she was
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: like I would like to educate him as opposed to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and then she's not shit, I hate him l John
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Bro, you don't even use your Twitter,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Bro madonnad what the fuck is Bro? You ain't did
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: nothing that matter? Do you think that it was smart
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: for him to though, like lean into it. Yeah, because
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you're fucking geyster rapp. You a fucking ganyster. That's fair,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: feel me. But the only the only thing was as
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: long as he's okay with losing the revenue that they
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was provided for him, he'll be fine. But obviously he wasn't.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: He came out and apologized and that's what he probably
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: getting three four hundred show. But you got to make
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: your own three four hundred. I don't disagree with you,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, well, I mean, you know, after
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the seventh ary eighth one, you start adding up that money.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I went through the same because the day but whether
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: we like it or not, he's a gainst rapper. He's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: also a pop star. But that's but that's the point.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Because he is a gangster rapper. That's fair. So the
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: first time you turn it to a pop star, stopped
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: being against the rapper, it's probably not gonna work out.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I went through the same kind of thing. It wasn't
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: quite that because my step was still rooted in a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: bit of intellect where I was talking about lilnaz X
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: right and I was saying somebody asked me on my Twitter,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they said, hey, man, gee, you know do I think
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: lilnaz X is a is like a tool of lgbt
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I said, well, really, I tweeted, but I didn't at
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the person. I said, Lil nonz X is not a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: puppet for LGBTQ anything. He's a puppet for white supremacy.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And I said, really, more than anything that I'm not
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: feeling about his art. You know what I'm saying. He's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: fucking corny, Like it's just corny as shit. Is it executed? Well? Yes?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Is there some decent idea there? Yes, the overall idea,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the whole shit is just actually lame in corny. He's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: it's a guy named Bert Williams, right, that was a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that was a black dude that used to do black face.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: He was a super talented actor, but he was doing
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: corny shit. Bro, why would you black facial ship? And
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that's what I feel like he's doing with that culture.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It's like you just over the top, bro, And I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: get it, but it's like sometimes it's corny. It's just
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: what I say about Little because you and I had
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a little conversation about Little Nizax and the Satan shoe
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and all that shit. But I saw your tweet about
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: about the white supremacy thing, and I was like, I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: truly believe. Now, obviously he's a pops musician, me and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you and the type of music that we I'm not
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: riding around in my car listening a little now, nobody
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: people are like yeah, like white people, right, or like
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: main street people. He's a pop star, sure right, he
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: makes pop music. But he's a brother, and that's the problem.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. When you're a brother, we expect
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: your ship to have some soul, some depth. He's fucking
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: a cornball and that ship is fucking irritating. And your
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: record's got to be as good as so listen, you
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: can have that position that you subjectively don't like his music, right,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't. I like old Town Rod.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I just don't like the shitty the last few records.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So as someone who is on the radio side, right,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: someone who can like say, oh, like that's a hit record,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that's like, I feel like the record he put out
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: with the what's it called Monetaro? Yeah, I heard that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: record and I was like, oh, this is a hit. Now.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That record did go number one at radio, right, it
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: went number one, but it probably was more rooted in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: ads than just it worked its way up. It was
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: probably number one within the first week or two. I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't It was a slow build. I promise you I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: could show you the media based charts. It barely hit Also,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: it came out before the video. No no, no no.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: The video came out and it barely hit number one
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: on Rhythm like maybe like three or four weeks ago.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But was that a month ago? The song came out
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: in April. It actually came out in March, third week
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: of March, because that's when the video came out. Yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: because because I went through some legal shit this you remember, yes, okay,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. So I heard that record and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is a this is a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: good record for radio, Like it's a pop It's gonna
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: kill it on Kiss FM. It's gonna you know. But
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: is it for me? Nah? But you know the ship
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to. But I could subjectively look in Little
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: nas X's music and be like, in my opinion, now
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you got your opinion. I'm not saying it ain't corny,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: but I think he's making good records. I'm not saying
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: he's making good rap records or good soul records. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: just think he's making good record. But you know my limitation,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it'll be disrespected. It saw me and think that I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just some kind of I like records, right, I don't
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: know you're right, and you're someone who's always been that way.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: So Montero as a record is even as a pop
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: record is. It's written decent, it's executed. I just think
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: it's very like it lacks something original, right, And it
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong because a lot of times, right
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: we're in spaces where you know people are doing the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: next thing or the thing that everybody's doing. But pop
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: is definitely a higher standard where you're supposed to dig deeper.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Bruno Mars makes pop records. That's fair, and that ship
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is some ship fire of course. So when you say
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a record, I'm thinking like Little X's Montero or Silk
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Sonic leave the door open, so Soonic leave the door open.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: That got so I would rather listen to n Sync,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And that's fair because the record is better. I'm not
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: saying that the records aren't better. I'm just saying he's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: got good records. It ain't like he's putting out done. No,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: they're not horrible. They're not horrible. And so my thing
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: is is I think little nos X is somebody who,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like you said, when you first got in here, we
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: had an off camera conversation about a conversation you have
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: with t Pain and how you were like, yo, whatever
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you are, lean into it one thousand percent. So you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: started wearing your glasses because your name's glasses on but
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you never used to wear glasses, so now you wear glasses,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: but they're big. Little X is a gay dude, right,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and he's leaning into that. But again, right, so I agree, right,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it's a way to do everything. But then so like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: let's say, if my name is Glasses, right, and I'm
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a crip rapper, those are my two brands, and I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: walk in this motherfucker where Bandana's tied around my wrists,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Bandanna's tied around all my joints, my neck, my heads.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It's corny. It's extra. So not in this way past.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: This is extra. That shit is stupid and ridiculous. But
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that don't mean everybody can't tell, right, So let me
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: ask you this though, because if little nas X was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a dude who was straight and he was making out
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: with bitches on stage and there was a bunch of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: half naked bitches dancing around him, Nobody would question it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: That's not true. It's it's a belief that this is
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: all because I really think a lot of it is
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: because he's a gay dude. But that's not true because
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we've never seen that. We've never seen someone quote unquote,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and like I said, I do not idental Elton John
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: not gay. Yeah, but I don't identify Little nos X.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And now John is the same because Little in some conversations,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: people consider him hip hop, even though I don't. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: consider him a pop artist, pop art, but that raps.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: He's he's certainly the first quote unquote person that raps,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that's on a level that he's on that is openly gay.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But nobody, nobody listen. He's as much as people care.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: If the reason you separate him and Elton John is
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: because Elton John shit is really good. I mean that
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: John makes way better music than Little naz X, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: on thousand percent. But that's my point. So again, it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: easy and that's what everybody's doing. Like it's always the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: if you if you critical of his brand, if you're
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: critical of his art, the immediate turn is, oh you're
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just homophobic. You don't like because he gay. Let's actually
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: unpack the fucking records. Let's unpack the visuals. They're not
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they're executed well, but but they're executed well. But he's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not making ground. That's not even making ground. We've seen
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that before, right, But what it is is he's just
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: wrapping it up in gay face, like how Burt william
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Is wrapping up like burg Williams wrapping up in black
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and so he's wrapping it up and he's doing Britney
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Spears in gay face. I liked it. Patnett gay face,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: he's just gay like black face. He's gay face. So
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he's just over dragging some shit, right, he over dragging
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and just like that's shower scene is Christina Aguilera. That's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they shot that before that, that's been done. But you
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: just used a bunch of gay black men. You just
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: did it in gay face because he's a guy. But no,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: but it's not because he's a gay guy. He knew
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: everybody would care about that. See, gay people ain't just
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: running around just being extra, just like black people ain't.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It's black people that's dark as black face, right, it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: just dark ass people with red lips, right, But people
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: ain't just running around just being a nigga, you know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: We Actually it's not as simple, right, So when you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: see a black man, right, that's what makes his think
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: he's a gay man. But because he's unbelievably at a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: thousand with trying to tell you I'm gay, bro, we
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: know you are. I'm not saying nothing wrong. Nobody give
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a fuck. Elton John's gay. Right, All kind of people
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: we end up loving is gay. Nobody fucking cares, like, right,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you court, sure you care a little bit. Prince was
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: probably bisexual, I think everybody. But on the same token,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: is it not like it's his art, right, So if
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: he wants to be a trailblazer for his his community,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that you really true? That's not true, I think. I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: think if you think about it's like seeing Bert Williams's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: trail based black face. But I don't know who Williams is.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: He's the he's the big you told me so again.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him a trailblazer because you're not gonna
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: have generations of no. No. I just mean in terms
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of like, I can't think of a time in the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: last twenty five to thirty years that I've been alive
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and paying attention to music, that there's been an openly
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: gay superstar. Not talking about Adam Lambert or somebody who
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: don't really matter. I'm talking about a super little nosed
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: actually superstar. And and what I so, you and I
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: had a discussion about that video with the Devil, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what I appreciated about the video was his explanation for
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: was essentially everyone, Yeah, my whole life was she said,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to hell blah blah blah blah blah, all
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: this clown shit were Really it was just like, this
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: is a good idea to make people talk, and it worked.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But again, again, I can isn't that a lot of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this shit? Though? Yeah, but isn't that a lot of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: this shit? Agree one hundred percent? But then it got
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to be good at the It got to be great
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: at the route, the great at the root to you?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Isn't it great at the route to maybe seventeen year
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: old kid who loves literally all love great records? But
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I think Little X has some
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: records that are I'm out here live what you mean? Damn?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Old Town Road is best recording? You know it? Oh?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: For sure? But that's the problem. Like, but Holiday is
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a dope record, Panini is a banger, Panini's a banger.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Decent that shit is a banger. Bangs, but it's not really.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: But like what I'm saying is like out here little
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: X like Panini. I hear little X Ponini. I'm like, Oh,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: this shit is tell It's ten records in bro We're talking.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: It's Old Town Road is better than every song. Of course,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it's the big It's probably the biggest song in the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: last twenty years. But you're missing the point of what
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. We've demanded greatness from everybody. We we we're
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: not allowed to say this about nobody else. And you're
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: saying greatness objective to what you think is great. Well,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that's the point, right, is my perspective, hundred percent right. So,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: but what I don't want is my opinion to be
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: discounted about art or brand because you think I'm a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: homophobe or you think I care that, which is not
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the case. And that's what I'm dealing with, and that's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what I don't like. I don't care that the man
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: is gay. I don't give fuck how many if the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: fucking shower scene where they was dancing naked was fire,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: It'd be fucking fire. It just wasn't good, just fucking corny.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Do you think was
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it single ladies? No? Of course not again. So I'm
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: so now I'm looking at him like, Okay, you went
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: through all this to show this fucking subpar routine. So
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. I think that there is
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a conversation to be had though. Don't you think a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: lot of the hate that he gets is rooted in
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: some homophobia? Though sure I'm not talking about you, sure, sure, Sure,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: some people are not. They cannot they cannot accept the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: they don't understand the lifestyle enough, and it's confusing to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: them because they have their own belief of how this
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is happening. Right. I've had conversations with people that they
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: feel like, oh, you can't be boring. It's a thousand
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: things about people don't understand versus me, where I just
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: don't care. I just don't have a reason to get
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You have an opinion on what he's doing and you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: think is corny. Ain't got nothing to do with nothing else, bro,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I don't man. People could speak up for me and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I stop them when they try. I don't need nobody
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to speak for me. I don't. I don't want you to.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, geez my boy, and I don't say
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: shit five me. Fuck these motherfull They could think what
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: they want to think. His shit is corny. I told him,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: your shit's corny. You are black, You owe some more soul.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe you don't think so, but I am demanding it
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: as a fair. You went through all this to get
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to my attention. You dancing on the devil's lap. Then
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: snap the man neck, you slide and look like a fairy.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: You're doing all this shit you're doing for me to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: see you because you want to show me all these
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: visions of masculinity that don't I'm not used to sing,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: especially from black men. Right. You want to show me
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this so you get my attention. You make the Satan shoes.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: You already know black people are rooting in some level
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of spirituality. We don't fuck with saying, but you do
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it anyway, so you get my attention. Then you come back.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: You got the shower sing, I've been to jail. Feel me.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You dancing with the dudes in the shower and the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: subpart number that's just you should have actually had a
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: fire number at least so I could be pumped up
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: about it. Right, So you go through this to get
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: my attention, You get it, and then I give you
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: my opinion on your brand and your art, and you
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: try to wrap it up and say like, I'm a homophobe.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: You asked me to look at it. I looked at it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm telling you. That's what I think about it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Now you could take it and say, oh, gee, you're
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: being a homophobe. You put whatever clown shit nigga El
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: John mops the floor, Sam Smith mobs the floor with
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: your slow ass. I don't disagree. So if you're not
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: trying to be that good, don't come fucking with my attention.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. When you tweeted that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he's more a tool for white supremacy or a puppet
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: rather because it matters than LGBTQ, what do you mean
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: by that. He's a fucking entertainment piece for mainstream America
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: like puppets, He's the show. And when you say white supremacy, yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: because at the highest level of people looking right at
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the white supremacy, this is the top level of this country, right,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: who knows if people are embarrassed. Who knows of everything?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: He's their entertainment piece. Feel me, like you said, he's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: a one of one, right, and he know everybody that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: look like me is shrinking down in their seats like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: ah man, And it's not. Everybody is not just because
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you gay. It's just your shit's corny sometimes again, man,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: when you're black, it's not fair, right, it's not fair.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: But there's things expected of you. And I'm not demanding
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: more than you than I wouldn't demand from Prince or
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: any other great artists. You feel me, You don't get
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: off because you gay, You don't get off because you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: still expected. Well, guess what, nigga, you gotta carry two torches.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Don't make us look stupid, like you don't make them
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: people look stupid, feel me, So, I think he's doing
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a bad job of making people look you know what
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, He's just doing it goofy like. You're not
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: really adding to the culture. You're not creating a trend
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of things that's gonna happen. You gotta dig deep, bro,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you went through some real struggles. If you're a young
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: black gay man, you went through some real struggle for sure.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Can I get that? Of course? Can I stop getting
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: these generic records that are not like you're making bad versions.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: He's making pop records. He's not making anything with substance
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: or depth to them. As far as like him talking
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: about like really tapping into the struggle. God, at least
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: be backstreets back is good. I mean that. I mean, look,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: he got one, he got the Little The Hotown Road
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is a fire. I mean, you know, but now, but
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like damn, we like eight or nine and we'd had
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: about four that come on when I said I never
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: heard a whack Little Noza song, I never heard none
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of I'm whack no no. He's too good to make
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a wax song at this point. Now he's a good artist,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like he makes records. I'm not saying he's made anything
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: better than the Oldtown Road, but I'm like, yo, I'm
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: not I'm not riding around bumping Little Nozax at all.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: But if I'm like, I'll check his video and I'll
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, I get it. You know, it's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a pop record, great writers, you know, whatever it is
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it's but I don't think it's I think it could
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: be better, And you're right, it could be so everything
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: could be better, but so then we all should demand it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: He's not talented like Bruno Mars though, but I'm saying
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Brun Mars an alien. Yeah have you seen that man live?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But again it's it's still like it's still pop like
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: it's now, I know it is. But Bruno Mars is
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like one of the most talented artists that we've seen
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: in the last like fifty years. Like like like he's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I was I Love Lives Morris Day. His life shows
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: insane no more I'm talking about I'm talking about that level.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying what makes his ship dope is he's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: just not He don't look like me and he's doing that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I think Bruno he's ill. Now, Bruno is an alien.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But but again put him in front of that now,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: see that's what I'm talking about now, no disrespect, because
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Bruno was fucking fired, and he got fired, he got
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: some of the best. See, I wouldn't say he's one
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of the best fifty like artists of the fifty years.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I say some of the I wouldn't even say that.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I'd say he has some of the best records I've
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: heard in fifty years. He's one of the best performers
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in the last fifty years. I haven't seen that, but
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Tech nine is number one on that list for me.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I agree, but but I think he was nine peak
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: techno saw so right, Elton John Right, that's fire, that's fire,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that's uncharted, uncharted territory fire. I don't disagree fee me
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Sam Smith, uncharted territory fight. I think Sam Smith is fire. Now,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: with that being said, I probably would rather listen to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a Little X song than the Sam Smith songs. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to slice my wrists.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: The only person, the only I listened to ever stay
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: with me more than everyone, stay with incredible record with me,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: an incredible record. I give you that. Little is never
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: gonna make a record's gonna stay with me? Why not?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Because he's not that talented. That hints my point. Little
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Sam Smith has a voice of an angel, a SoundCloud
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: rapper turned pop star. But then you gotta just with
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: great writers. But you gotta define it. You gotta define
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it because we can't hold Little X, who literally is
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: a SoundCloud rapper, he's a pop star. Hold him started
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: as a SoundCloud rapper and he's evolved into a pop star.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But he was first record. His first record was a
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: pop He's not a great No, Little that shit was
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a joke, but it's still a pop record. Okay, fair enough,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but it was a joke. So now you got to
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: compete with Bruno Mars. That's sold. Everyone gotta be town.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Hey how about this. Let me give you an example. Now,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Eminem is culturally prevalent in the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: last fifteen years, right, but can we agree that technically
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Eminem is a top ten and ten would be short
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: sighting him. But if I were to say Eminem lyrically
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: skills as a rapper's top ten all time, you would
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, of course, I meant of course, right,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: top five five for sure? Yeah, use to one per
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm not over here barking down on I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: don't even want to say little Baby, because he's improved
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: so much as a rapper. I'm not barking down on Gunner.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: If Gunner got a hot record in the club or
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: got a number one record at Urban, because he's not
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: as talented as someone like Eminem, not at the time.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: They're not the same, But that's what I'm saying. They're not,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: But they're not the same. But again, right, what makes
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: us all, even all of us right in hip hop,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: or all of us in pop music, or all of
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: us in any of these genres the records. So again,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: so you're saying record for record, that's all you have
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to be. That's fair. You don't gotta be as talented.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But song like Hot by Young Thug and Gunner, Right,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: he's like a record that makes sense in the club.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It's a cool record. It was number one at urban radio.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: It's a cool record. But it's not fucking But I'm
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: only asking it's not the box, But I'm not asking
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it to be the box, right, I'm asking it to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: be ha it's not. It's not Ha'm I'm asked, but
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it's not. But again, right, So that don't mean that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it ain't dope, But that don't mean that it ain't good.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That don't mean that it can't be in the same world.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not getting Little Knazacs ain't gonna he can't
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: do what Sam Smith does. No, but he can make
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: records as great as Sam Smith. I mean maybe, yes,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I mean he has. I mean, look, I'm not as dope,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: but I'm not as great as eminem right as technically
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: sound as Eminem, But that don't mean I can't make
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a record as that ring with one of his records
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: as No, I don't disagree with you. It's about doing
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the work. So at the end of the day, your
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: thoughts on Little knaz X are strictly rooted, and you're
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: not crazy about the records he's putting out, and you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: think the execution is corny. Well, I think, yeah, I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: think the records are decent. They're they're above average. They're
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: not you know what, They're above average. That's fair to
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: say compared to all the records today. But then again,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I'm also on a core competing against Magic Johnson, Like
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at all of our opportunities as modern day
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: artists to compete with the greatest records to ever come out.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So I look at it differently. You know, corny, he
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: knows it's corny, whether you admit it or not. As cool,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you don't got to see why you think it's corny.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I look at it as you know, when were like like,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's corny. No, I mean, but I also
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you see sometimes you know, but I'll come from the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: era of watching Eminem videos that were me too and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I say they was corny. Sometimes they were fucking corny.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm saying, so when I look at that, it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: kind of when I see Little nas X putting his
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: videos out, so some of corny, of course, oh my god,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: oh my god, you stru Shay was corny as far.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: So then why are you struggling and say Little nas
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: x content is corny. I'm not saying it's not. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, say it if anything to say it,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I don't. To me, it's not so none of the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: content is corny. But just when I see you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: because when I watched the Devil video, I actually thought
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that was fire. I'm saying, maybe prison Ship is it
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: corny or not? To me? For me, prison is not corny.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't the corny as shit. I thought it was
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: refining and refreshed. No, I just thought it was this
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: is cool. This reminds me some t r L. It
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: was cool. I wasn't mad at it. To be honest,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know, it's cornyn. I'm just being honest with you.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I think probably what's corny. It don't mean you're a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: homophault because you think it's corny. I don't mean I'm
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a racist. I'm not, and it don't mean I'm a
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: racist because I think some of Eminem is corny and
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not a sellout if I think early days you
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: peel sometimes corny. You want to know what the difference is? Sure?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And why I can't say it's corny because I expect
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: corny ship from Little noz X because he's a pop star.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Eminem was a pop star and the time he got
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to the real pop. Yeah, but I was listening to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Eminem on soundbombing two Rockets record. You just said the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: same thing. Little Naz started as a SoundCloud rapper. You
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Corny is Little's first record? Don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you see something that she'd be like? But literally his
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: first record ever was corny as fuck. So this is
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: his bar. He's a corny guy. I'm like, I won't
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: say the record it is corny. The video could have
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: been corny, but not the record. The record was. I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: mean it was horror in the it's corny, but but
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but but it works because it was great. But he
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: set a corny bar from the rip and it's just
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: been consistent. No, that's who he is. That record is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: not cool. I got the horses in the back. He
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: literally faked a great record. But no, but if you
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: executed correctly he did, then it's not corny. That's the thing.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Like right, Like Adam Sandler. Right is one of my
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: favorite you know what I mean? In Hollywood? Right, the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: water boy treads the line, so you could tread the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: line and sometime being you gotta hit it. But if
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you go too far, it'll get caught. You know what
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: about Adam Sandler is the same way. But but listen,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: but listen, I think Adam Sandler, I expect corny shit.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So when he does like the Zohan movie, which is
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: super corny, then you say it's corner. Appreciate So why
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: did you say? But again, me too? But I appreciate
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: little nosed Extra Ship because I expected to be corny.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You won't say it's corny. No, I just said I
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: expected to be corny. I literally corny? Is his whole
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: career is corny? Say? His whole career is corny? Getting
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: past everything? But the corny? Say that shower scene in
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that video shower scene was corny? Do I think that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I'm being honest? Do I think the song was corny? Maybe? Yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: little corny liking, So what's corny besides his complete idea?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Just the songs called industry Baby, and like it's like, yeah, okay,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it's a low hanging fruit for Little noz X to
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: make a song about being the industry planned Okay, I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: get it. And then the video is what I expect,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: which is why it's not corny. Still corny, you gotta
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: be good? Did it listen as much as Adam Sandler
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: right can be corny? The water Boy is amazing and
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: it's not corny. I love The water Boy. Zoehn is
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: amazing because but no, sometimes you can go but sometimes
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you can go to far. Corny don't necessarily mean it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: not good. I am not listening to Little noz X's music.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Obviously subject to listen to pop music me like brun
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the gotta be elite level. I am not listening to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Little X in my car. Ever. I threw on his
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: EP when it dropped what was it called the Rodeo
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: EP right, just to just to listen to it. I
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: threw it was like five songs, all right, cool, you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: have the record with Cardi B. That was cool, But
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I am not riding around in my car pressing play
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: on middle X. Ever, what I can do as someone
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: who's appreciates entertainment, I could look and see what he's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: doing and be like, oh, I get it now, it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: not for me. Why not, because it's just not I'm
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: also do you're not enjoy some pop music? Not most
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: of it? To be fair? Do you enjoy some? Do
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you like Bruno Marris? I love Bruto Morris. That's pop, okay,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: so some if that's some? Sure? Do you enjoy Sam Smith? No,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not listening to it. I mean yeah, Elton John, Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: of course I love so the best of the best
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: pop music. I love it John. Yeah. I mean I
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: mean yeah. I mean I liked like seventy shit, eighty shit,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I mean not even I'm not saying eighties pop music.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of pop, but I'm not a big
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: eighties pop guy. I actually think eighties pop is corny
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: as fuck. But but that means you don't like I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: don't like in scene. I never like Backstreet Boys, I
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: never like none of that. That's nineties. I know what
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I never like any of that. Ships. So
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: people are like like Justin Bieber peaches right, good record,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: That's that's an R and B record, right, Fire, great record? Now,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it's not corny though, No, no no, no, you're right, it's fire.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: That's a beautifully written song. It's probably executed executed perfect. Again,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not driving around in my car bumping Peaches. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: play pieces. Now, if Peaches comes on, you're not gonna
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: change it. I'm not gonna change it. But if that
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: industry baby song, which might change that, I might change it.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm not so getting we're that's we're talking grand
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a point, but we're green on the same thing. For
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: me to say it was bad, it's just not good.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Neither's Peaches. But you would not change because is a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: better songs. That's what I'm saying. Peaches is a way better.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Peaches is better than what I'm saying a lot of songs.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I'll take Peaches more than I mean. That's a fucking
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: perfect song. Sure, I know you don't complain to me.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I love you know, like there's like records like that
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I love to play, like in the club, like Essence
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: by whiz Kid. Fucking love it. Right, it's a great
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: fucking Justin Bieber. Just jump out the remix. Now, I'm
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: probably not driving around in my car listening to wiz
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you'n I he came, of course, not so. All I'm
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: demanding is better record and better representation from Little Nax.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking for much. I'm not saying, hey, don't
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: be gay. You're gay, bro. That's how it is. I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. It's not my fucking business. But
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: when you when you get my mother fucking attention, you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: go through all this shit for me to find out,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and I give you my opinion, deliver nigga, deliver my nigga.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Don't all I'm I'm not even talking about the song.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about this bro. Go to the next level.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. That's what's suspected you you you
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: nine ten records deep at this point. Let's get to
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: it now. What do you think? Do you think the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: baby can do anything to patch up his current optics
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: with they'll be booking him at the festivals in the year.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: In the year you think I'll be fine? Man? I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: think he just jumps on a little Knazac song and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: it's all good. He definitely shouldn't do that. You don't
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: think you should do that? No, Little Nazak's the baby
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: on the remix, Bro that the baby actually has this
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: authentic feel. Little naz X lacks authenticity. They can help
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: each other, Bro, Go to Elton John, get Elton John,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and go get Sam Smith to sing your hook. Don't
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: fuck with him. He's a fucking cornball. Make him dig
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: hisself out of corny. First, come back to the rest
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of the You know the depth, nigga, your brother, come
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: back to the depth of it, fimy. Then we fucking
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: with it. But then, if you're going to do something
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you worried about how the LGBTQ community sees you, go
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: get a big dog. Go Elton John, get Sam Smith,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Go sit down with Sam. Let him sing a beautiful
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: hook to the ladies or sing a beautiful hook to me.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Whoever is the fuck? Just sing a love hook and
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you rap with Go to the best. Don't fuck with him.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: He's a fucking cornball. You gotta get his ship together.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I man better. He can do it too. I heard
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Old Town Road. There's something in there. He just gotta
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this too. So like on the
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: other side of the coin, there's guys like Boosy right,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: who's one of my favorite dudes in the game. Every
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: time I talk to him, he's I know what I'm getting.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: He's hilarious, but at the same time, he also comes
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: across the little homophobic. He has a genuine fear and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and and and obviously I don't think it's for him
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: at least because I'd like to think I've been around
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: him enough to know that he's not a hateful guy. Sure,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: but I do think that there's like a big part
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: of hip hop in the industry where there's people behind
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the scenes whatever that that that kind of share his
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: opinions about just the homosexuals in general. And I'm I'm
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a believer that if you're gay, you're gonna be gay anyway,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that, but I think there are some
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: people that are born gay. And I also think think
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: like if somebody like Little nos X being openly gay
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: as an African American man in this country, which, as
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you said acknowledged earlier, probably one of the hardest things
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to be in this world as a black man, let alone,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: because then you're fucked in your own community on top
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of being fucked in America. Right, So if Little nas
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: X standing on that openly and proudly helps inspire people
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to be themselves more right to be more proud of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: who they are, or to live their truths louder or
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: more proudly. Isn't that a good thing? I mean? But again, yes, right,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: unless you believe that he's actually infiltrating people's minds to
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: turning them gay, which I don't think is in this case.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I had this, I've been having this dilemma in this conversation,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: right because I used to feel the same way. I
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: do not think you could just play gay like it
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: is for some man to take penis. Bro is a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: different kind of devotion. You have to be committed. It's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: gonna be tough, even like Bruce Jenner I mean, or
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Kaitlin whatever. Right, even then he's still not gay, no, right, right,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: he's a lesbian. He became a lesbian, right right, So
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's a different commitment. So I felt the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: same way you did. I felt like, you can't get
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: people to be gay. But that might not be true.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That could be wrong. It can be a lot more
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: influential than were We want to admit, we're in a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: really weird place in society where social media is controlling
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of things and attention, but in general, all
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: of it is controlling. A lot. People are dying for attention,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like they're in a really weird space, So the things
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: people will do to get attention that could be a problem.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: So that's why that I agree with you on that.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: So again, like as much as I wanted to kind
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: of look at him like, bro, it is something to
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: be scared of. I think this right. I think people
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: will do things for attention more than ever. But at
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the same time, like you said, to be a gay
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: person as a big commitment, right, So I think if
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: you were going to you know, be attracted to men
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and being romantic relationships for men, mom, man. But what
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is now personally, I think you just really
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: have to be committed. That's a lot, you know. So
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is like those people were gonna
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: probably feel that way inside anyway. Maybe they were gonna
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: get married to a woman that they hated or that
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: they secretly you know what I'm saying, Like, I think
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: they don't know if that's necessarily true. I think we
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: all I think both sides at that point, we would
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: all be speaking from ignorant places. But we also can't
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: deny the control and influence I think there's a there's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a there's definitely a such thing as saying that there's
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: an attention thing going on, which is where I like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I think like you and I'm not. And again I'm
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: not accusing any you know, homosexual part. I genuinely think
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: this is what's going on, but I can't ignore right now.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: We're in one of the most scariest times of society
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: where everybody is following you know what I mean for intention,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: because everything about our life is built on what is
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: it called, uh, societal acceptance or societal uh, you know whatever,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that is the wealth of it. I think the way
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I look at it right when like Boozie says some
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: shit to me, it kind of makes me cringe because
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, like, the only way you're really scared
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: of this is if you truly believe little Isaac can
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: turn a child gay. He and I think genuinely they
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: believe that, and I think genuinely Boozy thinks that that's
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the genuinely want for sure because he definitely believe thats
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and I didn't. But now I'm stind of like, Okay,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, because you could turn the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: child into a gangster. You could turn the child into
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: turn the child. You can turn a child into a racist.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: That's true. So again, it's all a lifestyle change. It's
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: all a lifestyle thing. I don't know. I think it's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: about like what you're attracted to. I think it's kind
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: of built into you. I guess I would like to
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: believe that, but man, that might not be true. I
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: would like to believe that's true. But again, this is
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: one of them conversation. Society wanted me to be attracted
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to white women. In my entire life, I've not fucked
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: with any white women because they just don't do it
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: for me. That's racist, though, No it's not. I'm I'm
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: just being honest with you. As a childhood, I grew
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: up watching what was on TV Baywatch? Well, who was
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: on Sports Illustrated covers? Fucking uh? What was it? Bit
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: his name? So you've never seen a white lady you
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: want the mail? I mean, I can like see a
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: white chicken, be like, yeah, she's cute, you know, but like,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: are you not for me a white lady you thought
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: was absolutely gorgeous? Of course, so then what are we
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: talking about? Is there not men in this world that
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: you can be like, that's a good looking dude. Never
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you've never seen a guy and been like, yo, he's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a good looking guy. Never never, never been attracted to
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: a guy. I didn't say attracted to, I said can
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you have not ever been attracted to a white woman.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: You've never been attract to a white woman. When I
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: was a little kid, I think Pamela Anderson was hot.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: But then I Megan Good is not hot. It's not
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: for me. That is crazy, Megan Good, Megan making Fox,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, making Fox. No, her thumbs kill me. She's
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: got short thumbs. Plus, that's that's Mgk's that's mgk's girl.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: That's my dog. So but no, nothing shit, he know
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: he little Fox. I can acknowledge she's a beautiful woman,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: but it's not for me. Yeah. See that's the point, right,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: somebody probably wouldn't believe you. Somebody. Once I discovered j
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Lo as a child, it was over. It was just
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: like Latina's and then and then Tyra Banks, and I
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: was like, oh this is different. I don't want to
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: fuck nobody who looks like they could be related to me,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know you, I mean, I've never
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: heard that, but this is definitely special. But again, right,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: so I can acknowledge a white chick looks like, yeah, yeah,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: she's beautiful, but if you don't want to nail her,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: if you're not attracted to it, I mean, listen, what
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is I should be in the white girls.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Not really, you don't have to be. All I'm saying
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: is right maybe Okay, so I can see the comp
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: but again, I don't know if I can just one
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: time I was certain of it, but kind of thinking,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. It could be a little bit more influential.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: So I say, all the gay people I know with
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and this is people who are actually gay actually suck
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: dick and get their dick sucked by you know, God
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: bless them. Friends of mine say that this is something
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: that they knew as soon as they were conscious of attraction,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and that this is like this. I know. The homies
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: told me the same thing that I know. So so
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: based on what gay people say, but I've heard other
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: gay people say different. I've heard other gay people talk
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: about things that have happened to them. You might get
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: molested as children. I mean, I mean that the said
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: fuck them up. Maybe and again, but I do know.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: But again, we are coming into uncharted territories in society.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: At this point. We're influenced and social wealth I mean
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: social uh uh social this is a specific word. But
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: now they're at all time high. I think there's the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: all times. How about right now it's rappers wearing dresses. Yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: that was like ten years ago. Yeah, but uh, I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: mean Andre did that, That's what I'm saying. So so
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: now we're he wore killed that's not fair. Yeah, but
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Andre also just fashionedly, was just super forward, but people
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: clowned it back. But a kilt still is okay. Young
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: thug woarre dress on the cover of an album and
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: a guy wore a wedding dress in a video. Yep. Right,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: So again we're doing things for attention. How about this
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman wore dress right married himself. Yes, we're doing
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: so do we think that that made other people gay? Well,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that's the I don't
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he inspired people to be
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: to wear dresses. Yes, I mean maybe, yeah, I think
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: people buried themselves us. How about this though, do you
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: think that young thug wearing a dress? If anything? First
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: of all, people refer to their homies as my love.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Do people refer to themselves as having dicks out the gun? Yes,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: he's an influential figure. He's a very talented, gifted Yeah,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he's influencing anyone to suck cock
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: because he's not necessarily on records sucking cock. If he's sucking,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: do you think Little X is influencing people to suck dick?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He never influenced me, That's what I
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: can tell you. But again, you're asking me, right, I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: don't think that. I think if my kids saw me.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But it's not crazy for Bootsy to think kids could
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: want to follow success and wealth, and they may think
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: success and wealth could come with sucking dick. If they're
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: looking at Little nas X. It might sound ask nine
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and thought of it. But we are in a difference.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I watched somebody the other day kill somebody of a
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: pair of shoes in a raffle, that insane sixteen year
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: old kid. You're missing what the sixteen year old kid
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: is who killed the guy, But you're missing the point
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of what where we at? So to keep ignoring we're
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: in different spaces. Feel me and and and you gotta
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: be careful. What you're saying is that we're in uncharted
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: territory as far as social media being so privalent, and
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I might be fair, I think too. Like now, it's
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: also almost like you know where there's so much opinion
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: and shit all around everybody. Right, you open your phone,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you just scrolling on TikTok, whatever the algorithm feeds you,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it's gonna make you feel some type of way. You
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, I got my niece
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: is she just came out as non binary. She's fourteen
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: years old. I don't even know what that is. I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: know what it is, but I was like, that, shit,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, right, I don't want you to identify me
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: as easy anything. So do they them thing is another
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: thing that's like, you know, I had a conversation with
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: my boy rams about this recently and he was like,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: and I was to the point where I was like, look,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I'm so down if you're if you're born a male,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and you're like I I decided I want to be
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a female, So call me she all right? Cool? That
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: they them thing just breaks my brain a little because
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: because it sounds like I'm talking to multiple people language
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the irony is right. I'm a transphot right and people
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: get upset and I'm like, bro, I'm just telling you
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the truth. I have a genuine fear of trans people.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: It's confusing to me and it blows my mind. And
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: they never go to the complete other side enough to
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: where even the ones that go all the way over
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: is just like, that's a lot for me. You mean
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: for my brain something that doesn't it's just confusing. I'm confused.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: So you're you're openly saying you're transphobia. Yes, I've said
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: this multiple times and people get mad at me. Don't
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: get mad at me because I'm scared the fuck you
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: want me to do? I see that shit. I don't
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: had any conversations with any transfer No, And that's what
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to set up on my podcast because I'm
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: trying to have a better understanding. I don't think they're
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: gonna kill me. It's just a scary thought. The confusion worries.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Do you think being confused and being scared of separate
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: or the kind of the same, because scared is like
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: or you know, when we hear the word transpher fear
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: means danger, right, so that the danger would be right
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: if if for most black men, you would be worried
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna run into a woman that was a man,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: right that before previously right you could have had the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Johnson sliced off, could have got the breast, all the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: female hormones. But you still don't want that to happen
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to you. That's a big thing. I wouldn't want that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: to happen to me. That would bother me. So you
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: want to have an open conversation with someone who's from
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: the trans community to understand, because I do think that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: there are people who genuinely decide, like I'm not this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and in order for me to be happy and fulfilled,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I have to live my life this way. And I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: respect that concept completely and all of those other concepts. Right.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: The problem is when you start trying to change what
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I see. That's my problem. So I think that that see,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: that's what I don't like, That's what I think. I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: think that, like, you're at least open enough to where
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: you can say, I truly am confused about what this
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: is and have a genuine fear, and I genuinely would
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: like to sit down and have a dialogue with someone
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: who is from that community, because I would like to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: understand it more. And I think that that is where
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is different than probably a lot of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the hate and bigotry and negativity that someone who is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: in the trans community, or someone who did grow up
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: as like maybe a trans seventeen or eighteen year old,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: they experience that word transphobic in a different way. That
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: probably means violent hatred, you know, their health being at risk,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you know discrimination. You're saying it in terms of hey, look, really,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: this is a language thing. It means you know, like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: you said danger fear right, and I wouldn't say that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: you probably fear for your life, no, but you don't
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: understand it. Sure, And so your I think with yours,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: because I don't want people to be like glasses WANs.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: They can say that I'm okay with being who I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: am and honest about who I am. But but but
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the difference is is like with that word comes and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: whether or not we like to say this is what
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it says in the dictionary, what that word comes, a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: lot of other stuff attached to it. I don't think.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're a bigot, not that I would
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: never hell no, And I don't think you're a hateful person.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Of course, I hate some people, and I think you're
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: a hateful person. Though I don't think you're I don't
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: think you're in your your your first nature is not
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: being a hateful guy. No, But but I don't think
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's even the worst racist concepts. I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: think it's all rooted in ignorance. Right, We're all ignorance,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If you're scared, if you if
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: you're a ragnophobic, right, or you have a ragnophobia, right,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: you're scared of spiders, it's because you don't understand. You
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: may think all spiders are venomous, you may think they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: could bite you, you may think all of that. But
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: if you obviously right, if you informed yourself, or if
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: you were educated, it would bring some level of I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: also don't want to compare spiders to trans people, because
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: trans people aren't poisonous. They're just spiders. A lot of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: spiders are, not even a lot, and the majority aren't.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: But ceee, I you just did that. See how just
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: see that's the thing with human but nobody trans is poisonous.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: But again, if let's say, if it's a man who
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was a woman, like a man right who became a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: woman that's going out of her way because there is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: some sleeping with guys who she doesn't disclose that she
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: is and she know that could crush them. That is dangerous.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it's dangerous, but I'm saying I
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: don't disagree with you. But I'm saying that's not all
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: of their agenda. It's just like with spiders. Their agenda
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: is not to poison everybody. So the point that you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: would like to try to understand and sitting down with
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: someone would be some of the I guess the concept
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: of like why why you're deciding to live your life
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: this way? What is it? Well? I think I get
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: it right. The idea of it makes sense to me. Right, Okay,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: if you really feel like even though I could never relate,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. But if you felt you are
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: a woman your whole life and you were a man
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: and you felt that way, I don't think I want
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to understand how did you feel that way? I don't
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: think that's the point, which part of it is confusing
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: to you. That baffles you no once it happens the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: fact that you want me to see you different that's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: the thing that fucks me up. So let me ask
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: you this. Right, if someone says to you, and I'm
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: not saying, cook on the couch over there, all of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: a sudden says hey, I'm a woman, call me she,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: or I'm gonna cancele you. Right, But let's say you
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: meet someone who's let's say you grew up around somebody,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: you ain't seen him in ten years, and you see
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: them and they've transitioned to a woman. I'm not thinking
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: that this has happened, so that obviously hasn't happened. Now
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: you know that person as however, you know that person, right,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: But if they tell you, hey, look glasses, it will
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: make me feel much better. It makes me if you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: if you refer to me as this, if you refer
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: to me as he, or you refer to me as
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: my old name, it hurts. It fucks me up. And
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: obviously we can't tell anybody how to feel right, is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: paying Isn't that a minor inconvenience for you to make
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: someone feel alright? And I'm not saying that your job
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: to make anyone feel alright? Well, that's the thing, right,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I would do whatsever convenient I wouldn't ever, just because
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: as much as I'm a transfer right which I wouldn't go.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't walk up to Bruce to Kaitlin. Rather, I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't call that like I wouldn't. I'm not going out
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of my way back. Oh, your mom named you Bruce,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna name you just I'm not fear me. I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't even fuck with that person. Now, if it's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: one of my best friends, I'm ana call him whatever
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: he asking me to call him at or she's ever
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: asking me to call him at that point. But I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: would be uncomfortable. Why I'm uncomfortable is I don't quite know.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm being honest with you. I have
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: no idea why. It's almost crazy because I'm my fears
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: is usually I could you know see why, But you
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: know this one is weird. I'm not a homophobe at all.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: So when people call I laugh, I think it's I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: think it's dope to just hear you say that like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: you're open to having Hey, look, this is how I feel.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: But I want to have a conversation with somebody in
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the community because but that's what my podcast is all
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: about for me. I don't like to live in ignorance.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: It bothers me. I hate being afraid of that shit.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I hate being afraid of anything. I love conquering my fears.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I think what we also have to understand and what
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: it's been harder for me to understand it recently, really
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: till I had a conversation recently with one of my
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: best friends. Is not everything it has to make sense
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. No, that doesn't make sense because of
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: when you start, when you start trying to make everything
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: make sense, and it's not a plight or something that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: you can identify with, and it just don't make sense
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: to you. Some ship just don't gotta make sense. But
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I think, see, and that's where I think as a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: thinking man, right, That's why I'm used to the world
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: making sense. So when sometimes things happen that don't make
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: sense right or or out of my realm of understanding, right,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I shy away. That makes sense. I mean that makes sense.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: And and but it also now I get some people
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: get angry and get you know, big You're like, yo,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just shy away. But I'm willing to have a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: conversation to help and and and pursuing the idea right
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and pursuing the idea. The character Uncle Clifford. I don't
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: know if that would be you know, if Uncle Clifford's character,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: because I think the character is a man, but I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's referred to as a trance or
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: a cross. So I don't know the property. I don't
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: even know what that is. So Uncle Clifford is a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: character from p Valley. He owns a strip club, right, Oh,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I heard about it. It's it's it's it's Mississippi based.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: This is black strip club. I heard about it. Yeah,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: it's fire, it's fire. But this character is one of
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the best layered characters right for that community. See, that's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a great character written for that community. That character is
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: fucking excellently written. And that's what I'm asking, And that's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: what human beings need, you know. I mean, like, like, Okay,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: it's cool to have something that plany the stereotypes, but
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: then give something that people can really understand what and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: be empathetic towards just because you exist. See, naturally, the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: act of being a human being, right is to be empathetic,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: being humane. But it don't come with every model that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: that's born on this earth. So you have to give
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: them figures and characters. That's why I don't mind them
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: implicating you know, things and and adult films about, you know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: because it'll make you like, like I said, Uncle Clifford,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: like that shit helped me a lot. Like I'm like,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: damn that motherfucker cool. I fuck with that. I need
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: to have a conversation with that motherfucker. He might actually
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: be this char What if you think, like I mean,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: even think about Omar Little in the Wire. I never
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: watched The Wire. Oh that's another comment. I never watched it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: But but but this character is written so well. Yeah,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: this character's written so well that you know what I mean.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: That's that's the point I'm saying. I think, I think
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: we can use entertainment and a lot of things to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: our advantage, but we have to be careful with how
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: we do it. You know, we just can't throw anything out,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's the problem. So I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: respect everybody being you know, mindful of what they're doing,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: especially in some of these places that make a lot
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: of people uncomfortable. You know, just shows ship at people
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: because you right to exist. It's like, you know what
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's just tough. That's not the wisest
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: way to do it. If I met a racist white family,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just walk in the house and watermelon
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: chicken to be the nigga they want me to be.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I'm a walking house and be who I am. See,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: that's and that's what I was saying specifically about any thing. Right,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: It's one thing that had these big, stupid ass glasses on.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It's another thing if I walk in this motherfuck with
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: all these stupid ass blue mandanna's around my neck, riz
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: elbow over exaggerating, I'm a crypt You know this is crip.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: There are things I could do, subtle things I could
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: do that you will know this script. Maybe I get
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: it in the side of my head. You know, these
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: glasses over the top all the time becomes corny and clowny. Right,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: So but I digress, you know what I'm saying. That's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: the thing, you know, being honest with who you are, Like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna fight no fucking trans person
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: because they trans Like what the fuck I look like,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not fighting nobody. I'm fucking you know. I mean,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not fighting nobody that ain't did something wrong to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: me or deserve an ass kicking. Now. I mean, listen, man,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: I think your honesty is great, and I think that
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: more people who feel the way you feel, because we
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: obviously know there's a lot of people who feel that way.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's necessarily rooted in a place
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: of hate. It's rooted in a place of misunderstanding and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: lack of you know, experience or education or whatever. It
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: is the fact that, like you're open to having those
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: conversations and sure, yeah, man, shit, I mean that shit
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: is big. I don't think I think it's normal for thinking. Man,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I need everybody else ain't got time to think. People
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: just really living their life on auto pilot. I'm a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: thinking person. I like to think. I like to figure
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: it out. I like to be comfortable. It could be
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: a lack of exposure. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, look at the end of the day, right,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: there's kids that are being raised in communities that are
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: probably fully white. Right, but that's been my point forever,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: that have no idea about black experience. That doesn't make
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: them racist, no, not at all. It makes the ignorant probably, yeah,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: But but that think about this, think about this, right,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: But that's why I say I feel the same way
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: about the word racism. It's thrown around entirely too much.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Everything to describe everything is racist. It's like just like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: everything that's thrown around is a homophobic transphobia. Bro, you
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: got to use that word much better, Like every community
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: needs to use these words much better because to mislabel people,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: it's actually just kind of promoting the same hate you
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: you're going against. Well, like, think about this. I grew
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: up in Phoenix around I mean, my immediate friend group
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: was African American and Mexican, right, But that was really
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: the two minorities in my life that I was raised around.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: So I never really experienced a lot of culture outside
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: of Black culture, Mexican culture, you know, my parents, you
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But like, we went to New
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: York earlier this year and we're in a part of
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn where it was a Hasidic jew community, and that's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: something I never experienced. So I was like, truly, is
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: that like is that like out here like city with
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: with the hats and so that's that's like out there
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Miracle Mount probably, yes. So so the homie we were
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: with was like yeah, they got their own police force.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: They don't on certain days, they don't touch a phone,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: they don't touch a buttons like it's you know, and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: they they're like, yo, they got their own ambulances. You
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: could be on their street and get stabbed and be
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: bleeding to death and their ambulance will pick you up.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: And it was just telling me like a rundown of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: like the Hasidic jew culture and shit, and I was enamored.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I was like so intrigued because this is something I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: never even knew was a thing. Like we're in New
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: York and I'm like, this shit is ill. Should I've
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: been to New York and they was Spanish towns that
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: was racist. But you know what I'm saying, Like, what
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is like just in general, like like you
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: were saying earlier, like yo, you can't. Lack of exposure
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: was the word you use, right, So in the same
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: way that we probably know that there's kids being raised
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: in white towns who don't know any black people. That's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: just there. You know, they might have to go to college.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: They might have to, you know, if they're blessing enough, Yeah,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: go live their life, because some of them kids will
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: never get out of that fucking podunk town. Man, I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: didn't been on tour with Tech nine and been to towns.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: You could tell a dude told me I was a
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: third black person you ever met, which is crazy. You're
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: thinking in the two thousands, that's just a crazy concept.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: But again, it's one of those things where I don't
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: waste my time. I'm trying to figure out. You know,
• 1:14:01
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• 1:14:04
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• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the crypt thing, and I wanted to talk
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: to you about this because I know that you're one
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: of the more highly respected guys I've ever come across.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Whenever I say, oh yeah, I know Jim alone, people
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, You're from all walks
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: of life. If this, if it was possible to be
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: respected in this coach, the gangster ship, and also like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: this fucking guy. And you've done, you've done gathering at
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: the Juggalos and all that shit. Yeah you've been. I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: mean you were signed a sub noise record for so yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to get your take on six '
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: nine and you know, recently Whack, because Whack on my
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: show said that he didn't feel like six ' nine
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: was a snitch. He said he felt like he was
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: a civilian who told the truth. He's not snitch. So
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of get your take because I
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: know you and I have had a discussion about the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: snitch shit, and it's essentially, you know, what do you
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: define as that? Okay, So the the flaw in wax
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: discussion with that is he's a civilian, right, So on
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the West Coast, being a civilian means I guess in
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: theory you're not a part of a gang. You're not
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: a part of the army, the infantry, whatever. That is, right,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: based off of the real word. But everywhere else that's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: a rooted in criminal Like snitching has nothing to do
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: with gangbanging. Snitching is rooted in being a criminal, you know,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: or mirtha and all these codes go back before crips
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: and bloods or any gangs of black culture existed in
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: this country. Not snitching is a thing in criminality like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: there are No criminal will respect him, no criminal period
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: will respect him. And I just think Wax not a criminal.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Yet what he's saying is obviously not true. He knows
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: that boy is a rat. That boy is a rat.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a rat. It's only you're not a
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: rat if you're not a criminal. Like if I did
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: something to somebody that's not a criminal, that's what they're
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: supposed to do in foreign the police. If you do
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: something to a criminal, he's not supposed to We all
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: know this. So because wax argument is rooted in whether
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: or not six ' nine is a gang member. He
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: was a convicted pervert. He was a drug dealer before
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: you ever met the gang. So you're saying, I mean,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with you that the snitch stigma
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: or the snitch definition what makes someone the snitch is
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: not rooted in gang banging. It's not rooted in whether
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: or not you're a cripper of blood or whatever. It's
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: rooted in a criminal world. And he's a committed criminal.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: He's devoted to the lifestyle of being a criminal. He
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: just told it's nothing man. That spin is a good
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: spin for the average I'm saying the average fan out there,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's a great span for them.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: But if you're really in the life, man, he's a
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: he's a rat. He know, he a rat. You think
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Whack Whack knows he's a rat. Yes, he got paid.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: You think Whack got paid? Oh, no way, got paid
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: to do the interview. Wa got paid. Whack is one
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: of the smartest motherfucker I met when it comes to
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: this music shit. I agree Whack is a brilliant guy.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Feel me he got paid. He he might have got
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: to a three checks. I wouldn't be surprised if it
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: come out he got a check because they talking about
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: promoting a fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Couz got
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: a check from you know, Spotify for doing the shit
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: with academics. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: check from Lucien and Elliott for promoting the artists and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: trying to establish his brand. What got paid? It does
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: feel like now six ' nine, if he were to
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: like release music right now or try to get the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: music popping again, it does feel like that the Whack
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: thing helped a lot as far as making it easier for,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: like you said, surface level consumers to swallow it, to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: believe he has some level of credibility and he has none.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: He's a horrible human being. Do you think like six '
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: nine is one of Snitch nine is one of the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: worst human beings? I've ever encountered like Hitler bad. He's horrible.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: He literally is manipulative, you know. He He's one of
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: the type of people that you don't want to be around.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: He's literally full of shit. He will do anything to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: be to have attention, write anything, anything to have attention.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And he's manipulative. He knows people aren't that bright, so
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: he's taking advantage of it. Cous might be like shaping himself.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: He's manipulating a Mexican community by so all, he's Mexican, bro.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: That dude is full of shit. He's a fucking rat.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: He's a rat because he didn't want to deal with
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: the crimes. He had other people do for him. He
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: paid him. It has nothing to do with gang. They
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: didn't do it for free. That's how much they didn't
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: respecting that they he charged them. If I call my
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: homeboy to do something, they gonna do it for me, period,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't call him. He paid them. He was
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: a criminal before them, he'll be a criminal after them.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Right now, he's a working informant. Like I'm looking at
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: the stuff twenty one savage and I'm doing talking about
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: fighting this man. What are y'all thinking? And this man
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: will get you put in prison right now, this ain't over.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: You don't just snitch one time all on the case
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: that big can get that little time. He's a permanent informant.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: He's going to tell for twenty or thirty years that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: man is a rat. Whack no here rat. Everybody know
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you're rep do you? I mean? Because I mean look,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think Wack had
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a conversation with him in which he held him as
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: accountable as we've seen someone hold him accountable. I don't
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: know if you watched the interview, I wouldn't there. They
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: be having clubhouses, I wouldn't be in a room listen.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I won't. I won't consumers comp I won't consumer's content.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I won't do nothing. You know, I gave him a chance. Initially,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I fucked with him. I listened to his music. I
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: didn't appeared all that right, great records. But bro, once
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: you once, once you are a criminal, and you break
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: that code again. It's a sense of ethics. You have
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: no real ethics as a human being. Feel me like,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just not fucking with you. You were fucking well,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this with Whack like obviously, like
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you said, he's one of the more brilliant guys. I mean,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I got love for Whack. Whack's always been solid with me.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think that he made a mistake by having
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: that conversation with six or nine? And at least I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: don't think he's aligning himself with him in any capacity.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I think they obviously have an open line of communication.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I think Whack held him accountable in that interview at all,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: but essentially saying you're a snitch, even though he said
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: he know he's a damn like you know that music
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: is corny. He know he's a snitch. So my question
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: to you is, like, do you think Whack made a
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: mistake even having any sort of, you know, conversation with
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: that guy. It depends on what he values. I wouldn't
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: have no conversation with that motherfucker for no amount of money.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Whack might value something different, you know what I mean.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: It could be money. Maybe he never plans to be
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: on Crenshaw Boulevard another day in his life, you know,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Or he's not going or at the street races or
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: in some level of street activity. Maybe he's transitioning to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: a business world. None of the niggas that I fuck
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: with on no street level would ever do it. Even
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the ones that's in his business, they will never do that.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I don't give fuck what money, none of us fucking
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: with that rat period at all, feel me. So, did
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Whack make a mistake, that's up to him. He had
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: to value whatever he benefited from doing it. But he
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: knows that what he's saying is definitely you know, he
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: know he's a snitch. He didn't he know he he
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: know the boys a rat. He know he a rat.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: It's obviously he's a rat. He rat it in front
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: of everybody on paperwork. He's a rat. It's obvious he's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: a rat. You know what I'm saying. So Whack would
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: probably be the person to ask if he made a mistake.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think he should have did it. I think
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Whack making great money, you know, But then I'm not
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: in the man pockets. I don't know what's important to him.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I mean, even knowing him,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I never sat down to say, man, what's important to
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: you is, Let's say, wha truly does believe he's a civilian.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like you don't think, not one like
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: one seventeen percent. He does not believe he's none of that.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: It's not about that Whack. No, snitching has nothing to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: do with games. Whack is as smart, if not smarter
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: than I am. He knows that why he's a snitch.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: But he also understands how to spend his story. He's
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: really good at marketing. He's really good at what he does.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: But he know that boy is a snitch. And because
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: he is representing power rule, because he is representing blood.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should have did it at all
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: because it's a bad look for the culture. Feel me
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: completely in my mind, But Whack is one individual that
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: represents Whack when it's said and done. You know, as
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: much as we all want to hold each other accountable,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep being a representation for the streets and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: all of the people that look to me. And I'll
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: never sit down with that rat. And if I'm in
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like making them on the phone, hold up, I'm
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: blowing feel me. I'm nigga fuck all that shit. I'm not.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I'm getting away from you. Feel me or if we
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: got an issue, IM finna get cracking on you. It
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: ain't it ain't nothing personal, bro, you just a fucking
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: raggedy ass, evil ass, fucking satan ass bitch ass nigga
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: use a fucking I don't disagree with you on the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: kid's character. I do think that what he kind of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: did was expose a lot of hip hop to be
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: exactly that entertainment. When I'm not talking about with the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: whack thing, I mean just in general, like when he
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: got out of jail and he, I mean he's seen it,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: ain't moving around rather nicely with no not I mean,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I know, like like they overselling it. No, no, no,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: I know, so like he'd be with a lot of YouTube.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard what you're talking about. I've heard that, right.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: But he's a really sinister kid. He's and he's not
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: a kid. He's a really sinister, evil last man. You
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's a really sinister, evil last man.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: He's really sinister. He's really evil. Nothing the body is cool, nothing,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the bodym is good. Him dying would be the best
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: thing that happened to his daughter. That's how fucked up
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: over a motherfucker he is. Like, he's a horrible human being.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: His family would be better off without him. He's that
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: horrible like you don't meet y'all don't see it's it's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: hidden behind all the bullshit and this rap shit, or
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: you know he's exposed, he's not. He's evil, like he's
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: a different level of sinister and he's a coward and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: he's not willing to be held account. He's doing ship
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: where he know people can't get to him. He goes
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: places in the middle of times when he know people
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: that he's not walking up on people. And if he's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: walking up on him now, it's because he has a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: support of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. That's it. Nothing
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: about him is good. His daughter would be better off
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: without him, Like I hope you feel me. Eventually he
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: understands how fucked up of a fucking human being he is.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: He's a piece of shit, fucking rap and whack noses
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Whack knows whack know this. He not, he know, you know,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: they know, we all know. You've had a storied career
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: in terms of obviously your come up, some of the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: labels you've been with, some of the tours you've been on. Uh,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I think I first had got hip to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: you on one of the early Black Wall street mixtapes
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: sounds about right. I feel like that. Yeah, that's where
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I started peace fold and then obviously you know, from there,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: you know, you end up with cash money. Cash money
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: is a place, and Birdman is a guy who seems
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: to be He's a legend, first of all, when it
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: comes to just his tree is crazy. Probably to go.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: When it comes to his tree, either tree or Dre's tree,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you gotta go. Yeah, Dre and Russ and Stunner probably
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: got the trees of all trees. And so he's also
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: a guy who's had some sort of like you know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: polarized love hate thing going on the last ten years
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: or so. When it comes to like him, what's perceived
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: as him maybe doing artists wrong. So sign the shitty contracts,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: whatever the case is, right, how is your experience on
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: cash money great? It was, And I'm not saying it
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: like I have no fear of none of that, no
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: motherfucker right, But the dude was great to me. I
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: learned more shit than I ever knew about the business.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I learned the time, man, Like, it was awesome to me. Now,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this, because you you also correct
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Were you also who banging as well. Yeah,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: same time Max Ten. So because I remember mac ten
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: had banger Ball, which is one of the most slept
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: on albums. Yeah, I like that that album's and he
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: was on Cash Money. Was that who kind of introduced
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: you into the cash ma? Ma ten? Did I feel
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: like mac ten? We don't give him enough flowers? Man?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I agree? I agree because mac Ten I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: feel like he's not as active. We don't see him
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: on like interviews like we see a lot of these
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: other out of itself. You see his lad interview. He
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: was like, yes, he wouldn't answer no question. He was like,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: was that what they said? Well, they said, y'all saw
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: the thirty seven people, That's what they said. I was like,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: you knows what, you know what to do. But but
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: so your your time on Cash Money was solid, Like
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: what was amazing so far in your rap career? Right,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: because you've done records with everybody, what has been one
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: time where you can remember as like your fondest memory
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: as a fan of this shit while being in it,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: while being in it where you almost were like, damn,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: look who I'm standing next to or damn, look who
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: I'm on the stage with it, or Damn. Look who
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I'm on this record with, Like, what was that moment
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: for you? Just recently with Rafaeosa Dick. Wow, I know
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: that's crazy right through. So Scarface probably is my favorite rapper.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: So I take that back right, I'm not taking it back.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: It's three moments. I can't do one because now it's
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: been so long, it's been fifteen years. So it's three
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: specific times. The first time is when jay Z. I
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: was in jay Z's office at Depth jamming. He was
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: like talking about how dope I was and he wanted
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to sign me, and he was like, Yo, you wanted
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: the best I ever heard do it from the West.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: That shit. I couldn't even talk during the whole meeting.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Like my nigga d one of my best friends, had
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: to talk for me because I had listened. I had
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: consumed that much hole. I mean to where I'm living
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: my life, ain't in drugs, to this nigging music. And
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: one day I'm sitting in his office and he telling
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: me how great I am. Like that shit fucked me up.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: That's tough, like you, I mean, that was like tough.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Not signing to him was tough. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: That was one of them, the second one of them
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: probably Okay, So then that's where the roth Felsa Dieke
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: comes in. I just did a record with him, probably
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: with the within a year ago, and you know, I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: was talking to him Richie rich hooked me up with
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: him and he gave me my number and we was talking,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: chopping up. He's like, yeah, I know you is I
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: fuck with your ship? You tough? And and I sent
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: him a record and just how helpful he was he
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: was explaining certain things. That ship was like crazy, it's
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: ro it's my mom. You know, it's kind of like
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: one of my mom's favorite bands, Tony Tony Tone. I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: grew up to this ship and this is I feel
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: a deep Like still Ray is my ship for R
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: and B for me. So that ship was like Cray.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Even now sometimes be like I got his number in
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: my phone, I'll be like, damn, I feel it's a deep.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: And the third one is not really me right, the
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: third one is and I don't think people really know.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: But it's when Jay Rock win went gold. Hmmm, right,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: why was that such a big deal? Because I know
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: where we came from. I know how much shit we
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: went through, and Jay Rock for people who don't know,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: like there was an entire generation in La hip hop
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: that was kind of shunned exactly, and and and he
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: was a part of it. You were a part of it,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: and so many others were part of it. And because
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: forever the only only dude that really had any attention
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: or love was Game. Yeah, we doctor dre production. Honestly,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: it matters. The producer is the key, you know what
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. But Jay Rock Win, when I seen when
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: they had put out a press release that they went gold.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: So the first record that he you know, he had
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: the record that was the future and Kendrick right, that's
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: platinum right right. But then when Win happened and I
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: seen the press release go out, like it was like
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: a part of me that just felt like Wade came off,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like my shoulders and it had shit to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: do with me. I mean, it was just like damn man,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: like look what we had to go through to get here,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's fucking me up there later, you know
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, and like my nigga went through
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: a lot. Man. We don't even talk as much as
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: we used to. You know, we don't see each other
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: as much as we used to, but like that shit
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: meant so much to me, Like that ship was so important.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I had to see that happen. You know, I think
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: about Pe and certain homies all the time. Problem Bishop,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: you know, all the shit we went through just to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: try to bring the West Coast together and to be shunned. Yeah,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: nip man, like that ship. It bothers me, but I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: can't see him get his shit. You know, everybody finally
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: showing him love, and it's like y'all waited till this
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: man was gone. Now. I remember having interviews with Nipsey
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: were around the time where he was really not fucking
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: with the fact that Dre was not co signing all
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: these young We all went through that, yeah, I mean,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: and we knew how important. We just didn't know why.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: But we figured out why it was so important. But honestly, man,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: that Jay Rock getting that gold plaque for when like that,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: for sure is the most thirst And I celebrated it
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: to myself. I mean, I wrote a song a verse
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: about it on somebody Else's feature and talked about how
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: hard it was for all of us and how it
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: finally happened for him. You know what I'm saying that
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: shit is like one of the greatest things. It's like
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest stories in hip hop that's not
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: told how much shit he went through. If y'all know
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: how much shit he went through, man, and how cold
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: it was for us, and how niggas shut us down
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: and shut us out, and you don't realize, like that
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: label was started on Jay Rock's back exactly. You know
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People don't understand the different Like there
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: was the he was on Warner Brothers and then that
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: they don't know how to handle nobody on the West Coast,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that didn't work out,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: and then they tried to strange music then put them
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: on Toward with tech, you know what I mean. Like
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: there's so much and when it all came down, it
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: was right there. It was all sitting right there, and
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: so just the watch that happened was like, man, it
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: was special. Even every time I hear the commercial like
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I just smiled and such a that's so soon it's
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: gonna lift forever. Yeah snks in movies and hear it
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: in Singsic Sports Center. I just smiled so big and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: then nobody know what I'm thinking, but I'm like, man,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: thank god, yeah, feel me, thank God. What was your
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: most successful record, certified? Was it? What was your biggest
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: record as far as like, so Certified is somewhere close
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: to God, I would say that Good. I think that
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Good is my greatest record. It may not be the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: most that has soul right, but it's the one to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: head exactly first beat and but it was the one
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: we built from the ground up, and to me, it
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: was the first time one of my records was celebrated
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: went with great club record. No, not the akond of Setter,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: for obviously, that's a fantast tomb Like you know, what
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: song I really loved was the one with the what
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: was the name of that that group that was on
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: the hook I Get money or I Get There, I
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Get There? That was so dope, the cataracts I get.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: But the most important obviously is Tupac Must Die. That's
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: the one that's when I finally put my own brick
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: in hip hop and it had my name on it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: For that, like the whole culture, they couldn't unify behind
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: me for no moment when it comes to music, I mean,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: and that became that moment where it's like, damn, I'm there.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So now I feel like
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: i'm you know really that's why I got. I got
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: shipped to do still ship that make crack, I got
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: its own. I know you're sitting on I mean, you
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: haven't put out a ton of music. I'm just starting
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: putting out singles again. Just mean in terms of like
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: your output hasn't been crazy, but the song doesn't matter. Yeah,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna go up now. Me and you feel
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: the same way about one album, and that is Doggy Style.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: I think Doggy Style is in my life, the most
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: important album ever. Definitely the greatest hip hop of all time.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I put it around two or three, you know the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: number one clearly, but Doggy Style like changed my life.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: That was What's funny is I wasn't even a fan
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: of Doggy Style like that. That's literally probably twelve years
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: old or thirteen years old, bro. I was five and
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: my grandma got that tape on accident in the mail.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Remember it used to be able to go in the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: magazine and remember that. So she had like fifteen tapes
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: delivered to her house and one of them was Doggy Style.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know how I got in there. But my
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: grandma's old as fuck. She didn't fucking Snoop Dog That's
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: how I fuck got It's a fucking cartoon cover. She
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: don't know what it was, Snoop DOGG so she gave everybody.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: So she gives me Doggy Style. And I had already
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: had like boys de men, some boys dement shit right
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: the dog you stay. I'm five, I'm in kindergarten, and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I'm at night in my bed with my little walkman.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: This is horrible pearing just what's funny? That's why I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: had already learned the entire fucking album by heart. And
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: then my mom had heard me listening to it and
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: freaked out and took it, took the tape from me.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: So I already knew it, and then I and then
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: I found it and took it back, and yeah, what's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: funny is I have no personal connection. I just love
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: that album. It is so I point the first time
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: I ever met Snoop, I'm like, bro, you changed my
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: life with Dog. You don't understand like you you know,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: keep turning me out as a five year old. I
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: have no personal connection to It's just such a person.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect album. And I think Snoop
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Dogg is, like, you know, I feel like somehow he's
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: still underappreciate it. But he's the greatest hip hop artist ever.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: He's the greatest hip hop artist ever with the greatest
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: hip hop album ever. And again it's tough. It's in
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: your face. I mean, Snoop is, like I was just
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: telling my partner, and I say this a lot Snoopers
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: like McDonald's. Man, he came out, you feel me, big Matt.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: You know that he had to gangster rap like it's
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: fast food, like it's the Big Mags gangster rap. And
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: since then he's been able to deliver pimping and chicken nuggets,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He been able to deliver
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: gospel albums and parfas and all kind of reggae ship
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: and all kind of shit and everything in the world.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I think he's the I think I think he's the biggest.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I think Snoop, I think when you say
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: he's the greatest, so I said the greatest, I understand
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that because he's the biggest. He's like you said, he's
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: like McDonald's. Because nobody doesn't know who Snoop is. I
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: don't care how old you are. Exactly, my ninet year
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: old lady knows who Snoop Dogg is. Exactly. Nobody has
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: ever been there know him because he's a fucking rapper.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: They don't know him because he does this that that,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Oh the rapper Snoop. It's Snoop Man. And I've been
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: hearing a lot of slack about that, like people like
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: I don't have no personal I don't have no personal
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: connection to Doggie staff. That's not like I heard you
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: know who in mind the songs like okay cool, but
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: when I was coming into my own, For me, I'm
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: more of a baby dog food, you know what I mean,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: or the shadiest one. I'm a baby at those product.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: I know you love the shadiest Yeah, like with a
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: whole other regards, but doggy style is what hip hop
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: is all about. Like when Cool hirking them through that
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: party on August eleventh, I think it's nineteen seventy three,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it was a party
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: that's Snoop Dogg's music. You came to the most cultural
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: phenomenon of a party ever with that project. Yeah, I
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: think Snoop has not only that album, but I just
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: think in terms of like figuring out, like everyone who
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: does music, their goal should be to figure out what's
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Snoop figured out? And that's how to no matter what's
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: going on, Like Snoop don't need a record on the
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: radio to be relevant. Snoop is never not going to
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: be relevant never, And how do you do think about it?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: I was at home on Peacock watching this motherfucker literally
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: throwing on. I'm not watching the Olympics. I've been watching
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: the Snoop talk about the Olympic. Snoop fuck was throwing
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: the javelin cuz and that bro, you got hit them.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: He's not an Olympic. NBC jacket on talking about how
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: the horse was Kripwalker and he's, Cousin, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: He's cussing, you know, he's yes, you know he's talking
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: about the man. That horse is krip walking. I see
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: him on Channel eleven, cousin Christina Devine, Look Christina Cuz.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, god, damn, that's really what Greaton has
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: looked like. This motherfucker is crazy. But again, man, when
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: you really step back and you look at that, like
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I said, you go back to August eleven, nineteen seventy
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: there it's a party. Is Doctor Drake DJing Snoop on them?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: I think the only artist I've seen that might have
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: a chance to be that big, like in thirty years
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: is maybe Drake. But I don't think Drake has the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: personality or the chemistry the Snoop ass. Drake doesn't represent culture.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. I mean, like Snoop is the phenomenon
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: because he's the centerpiece in the face of probably Black
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: America's greatest, maybe not as celebrated, but most famous culture.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Gang culture. Man, he is the face of it, right, crips,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: and he was the face over here, was the face
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: of it during a time when the allure was at
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: an all time high. Well think about it, right you
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: you we talked about this the other day. Colors is
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: the initial exposure at the highest level. Right, you move forward,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: you get Boys in the Hood, which is a film
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: about it that does seventy million right in ninety one,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: and then here go these niggas, you know, doctor Dread Snoop.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: It's like a they picked up Boys in the Hood
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: and just like, let's finish it off, and Snoop just
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: took it to a level. You know, Ice T Gangs
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: wrapping and Snoop just finished and he's the face. Drake's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: situation is different because he's just a pop star. Drake
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: has always been a pop star. It's like Snoop didn't
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: start as a pop star. No, and even now as
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: much as a pop he's still not a pop star.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: He's still not a pop still Snoop Dogg, He's still Snoop.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Like he ascends past some of these things. Like you said,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: some shit don't make sense and Snoop, I like if
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: you were to say, like Snoop would be if we think,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: you know, thirty years down the line that Snoop would
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: be hosting shows of Martha Stewart or hosting the Olympics,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: you would just in nineteen ninety four, someone would have
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: told you that. You would have said, what if you'd
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: have told me he was going to be out of prison?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Goody was gonna go to fucking prison for murder? So again, man,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Snoop is just different, anomaly man, everything you know Sug.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: You know, Shug doesn't get enough credit, Doctor Dre doesn't
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: get enough credit. You know, you still got probably the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: greatest vision with sug Knight, who understood the vision for
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: what was going on, right, and you got the greatest people,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: the greatest person probably at the time or period making
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: hip hop records, I mean, and they put together August eleventh,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, the greatest party the West Coast ever had.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: This is the greatest party we ever offered the world.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Like you came to this party and Snoop is on
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: the mic and Warren g is on the couch. It's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: the greatest party you've ever been to. You hear it.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: They got the liquor, they got a special liquor that
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: they drag, and you drank gin and juice. You got
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: the lingo. It's the culture is there? Feel me? It's
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: the greatest party you could go to. It. No matter
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: what we think about hip hop, it's still rooted in
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: a party. Well, it's funny because you and I have
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: had an argument about You said, Drake's not hip hop, no, no,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: no no, And I said, listen, Drake makes hip hop music.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: And you said, well, Drake, there's no culture with Drake.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: I think Drake makes rap records, okay. And I understand
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: the concept of and the reason I really kind of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: didn't even care about this conversation no more is because
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: I never thought of it as a derogatory thing. Like
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: I never thought as a derogatory thing to classify things.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: I don't Again, I'm back to the same point of
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care how you want me to look at you.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the classification of things so we have
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: some sense of things that we can share, versus we
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: creating the world where everybody could be anything they want.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't like that, right, Like, you know what I mean.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's wise. I think that's really ignorant.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: And it's going to come into a place more. You're
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: gonna bread a lot of people wasting their time. It's
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of people already confused. We already
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: come into this world confused, and you're allowing me to
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: exist in the space of confusion, right, which means a
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: suicide rate is gonna go up. But with Drake specifically,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: hip hop is culture. It's lingo, it's style, its cuisine,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: it's fashion. Everything about it is the flavor. Feel me.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: The flavor. It's like you know what I mean, It's
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: like soulful, It's like like yes, like the concept of
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: fried Chicken initially could be soul for right. That don't
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: mean Kentucky Fried Chicken sell soul food. They got greens,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: that don't mean they sell soul food. They got all
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: this stuff that don't mean they sell soul. Full rapp
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: was popularized by hip hop, but it is not exclusive.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Debbie Harry was rapping in the saying, Drake makes rap music,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: but he's not hip hop. No, I think that he's
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: not a cultured rapper. He has no culture. He doesn't
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: represent any culture. Drake is a fantastic rapper who makes
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: fantastic rap songs that turn into pop songs. And he
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: could sing his fucking ass off the way he sings.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: He can carry a note only the way he can.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: He makes fantastic records. NonStop is one of my favorite
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: fucking records period, feel me. But again, to compare him
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: to somebody that's carrying the burden of culture on their back,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: like a Jay Z or a Snoop, These dudes represent
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: entire rams of worlds of shit. I mean, ideas, all
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: of this. They represent it with the way they talk,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: the way they speak, everything about what they're doing there,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: they're walking with more. Drake is a I mean, and
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to simplify his life because I'm sure
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: he had his own struggles. But this is a kid
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: that come from Nickelodeon. That's a rapper, what you know.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a different plight. This nigga came
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: from a Doe spot. This nigga came from feel Me
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Long Beach cripping. The plifs are different calling you know, man,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: it's just crazy. But again, I never thought of THEFC analogies.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, I never thought of
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: it as a negative connotation. I didn't think could Drake
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: be considered one of the greatest of all time? Then
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: in your eyes artists rapper MC, yeah it's a rapper. Sure,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, I'm a fucker rap. I'm a fucker rap.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: But again, hip hop is his own special thing. So
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: like he could be one of the greatest rappers. He
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: could rap his eyes off that MoU he could rap.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, but then again, people talk about righting and
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: all kind of shit. But yeah, I mean, listen, I
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: think that that's a discussion that's been beat over the head.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I think Drake, I'm confident Drake and rapping. It's it's obvious. Yeah,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: I mean now, now, Steven wanted to what I have
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: liked him to have replied to push your t Sure,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: that's different. He didn't want that smoke. You don't go
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: to the cultures, different when you go into the root
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: of culture. But he but he did get me. He
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: got Meek Miller b out of here for a couple
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, but Meek is and as much as
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Mik is, that's different. Mik is somebody who literally his
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: whole story is I was broken. I'm rich, that's fair.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, push is different. Push. I told everybody I
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: said that that ain't Meek Mill, y'all better different And
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: all these white kids who don't know about the clips
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: and push your tea, y'all don't know what you're signing
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: up for. And he knew if he gave a record,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: he would give life to that record. You don't want
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: people to hear that record. So the best way to
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: do it is just back away, like oh that you
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: know that way you don't because if you mentioned him,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: people going to hear that. And when they hear that,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: you know, violence is violence, and they gonna know like
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: that ship is savagery because that pushes the product of culture.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: That's savagery. Yeah. Push is one of my favorite rappers ever.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: So pushes some ship man that ship is fucking. I
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: was just I was like chomping at the bed. And
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those guys that was cheering for Drake
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: and the Meek Meal battle and you know me too,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: me too. At the time, I just wanted him to
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: fight back, like, don't let these dudes pick on you, yo,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: stand up, like, you know, get cracking. I didn't appreciate
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: like Meek's whole entire Twitter ship, and I just thought
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't. He stepped out of character a lot, and I,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I tend to find out it's his character, right,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: but look to find out at first he was so so.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: But when Drake came with fucking back to back, I
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: remember li but but you know what, it might have
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: fucked Drake up because he turned into a super tough
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: guy after that. And then but but then Pushing t
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: was like, hold up, it's different. Yeah. Push is one
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: of those guys where you're like, you know the same
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: thing with Kendricks is not a gangster rapper, but you know,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to with Kendrick. That's the product of culture.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody like like you notice, like I'm like, Yo, nobody
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: want smoke a push your t Nobody wants smoke with
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar, And nobody really wants to smoke with Freddy
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Gibbs either, because fred has had some dare people to
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: say his name on records. There's like certain artists where
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: you're like, Yo, Royce to five nine, you don't want
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: that problem. You don't want the Royce to five to
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: nine problem on a record. Lupe was only until I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: was teasing give it their friends they got a podcast together.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: But what's funny is, look, so you don't want problems
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: with the root of culture. Yeah, Like when you see
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: somebody represents a bunch of people, like they represent a lifestyle,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: they represent through hopes and dreams, you don't want to
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: fuck with that person. And some of these dudes really
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: represent that and not being one. I mean, it's some
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: guys that represent a lot. You just notice certain people
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: like just you don't say their name, you know, you know,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I will say this. One of those guys who I
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: thought would just be a bad idea that step two
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: was eminem but I thought MGK got them And I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: don't think he got him lyrically, but I think he
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: wanted it. I don't even think Eminem has really good.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: My favorite Eminem disc record is the one with you MGK.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: My favorite ship was the Ship hits the Fan, like
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: all that ship. I love that era when it was
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: just a lot of mixtape ship to him talking. I
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: talk about Jo rule that the only good disc records
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: on Java was fifth Oh yeah, everything else. I could
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: have just the Eminem But the Eminem record where he
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: did mg K, that was one of my favorite because
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: you know why, he had fun with it. I just
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: think that mg K won because it was too close
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: and mg K had a great record. Mg had a
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: great record and the fact that we even thought about
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: it means mg K one Eminem is is. By the way,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: MGK is not like he's a good rapper, you know
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He's a rock but he's not in
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: the same arena a world as MC. But the difference
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: is a great song versus a great rap. Me Also,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: the subject matter was like, yeah, yeah, that's made a
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: great record. The same thing think about think about so
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: when Pusher put out his freestyle against Drake, Pusher wasn't
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: even trying to rap. He was just he went to
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: hit him up ro out with that first freestyle. That's
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: why I couldn't wait to see the second record, because
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is just him just being extremely
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: disrespectful at hitting record. He hasn't even applied himself as
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: an MC yet. Yeah, yeah, no, it's different again the
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: root of culture. I like the eminem dis to MGK,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Like I thought the this itself I was my favorite disc.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: I thought he had a lot of fun. I think
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: he MC his ass off. But again, competing with a
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: record is different. In MGK. That's probably mgk's best record too,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: it's not. I mean, I love MGK. He's been putting
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: out some rock shit lately that reminds me of like
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Lincoln eighty two and shit. So I'm like, hey, this
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: reminds me of high school. It was bad, east Side
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: was cool. He had some cool joints, But that one
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: is probably his greatest record, That's the thing. Yeah, I
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: mean I feel the same way about NAS. I think
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: ether is Noah's greatest word. I hate that beat. You
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: hate the beat? I beat his fucking fire Ron browse
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: ever the bitching you by coming favorite or greatest? My
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: favorite favorite favorite, not greatest favorite. I think the greatest
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: just hit him up, that's probably the greatest. You know,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: vasline is crazy. That's a toughness up there. My favorite
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Dish record, man, Honestly, the greatest is probably back to
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Back though, because that still gets played on the radio
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: and in the club. Yeah, it's it's different too. That's
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: a monster talking about just like a record for playability.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: Favorite Dish record. Damn, that's a good Dish you know what.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: I won't lie and it's probably gonn to be some ship.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: But dollars and cents DJ Quick oh man, that they said,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: eh T was shit? I continue, you left out the
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: G because the G ain't in you? That record was
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: fire fire. I ate about that. I said, when you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: heard that line, did you at least like because that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: line was crazy? We said, e I h T. But
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: should I continue? You left out the G because the g'
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Oh no? He was like, yeah, no, that ship was hard.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: That was a good record. That one was like and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: I liked eight, I liked h. Steele, but it was like, fuck, nah,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: that ship was crazy. It had to be that Dollars
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: and cents dollars and says it's legend that's a quick
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Another guy on the second is Takeover, and people don't
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: talk about Takeover. Why. I don't think it's because it's
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: not a full disc record. It's lines on it. We
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: got a lot of people on Takeover. No, butsonically, I
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: think it's probably my favorite. I think it's such a
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: The beat is so good. Ether was great because I'm
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: a NAS fan before I'm a j Man was like
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: the tidal wave bro hit him up, my boy Deep.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: It was like, fuck jay Z. It was just like
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: that ship was Jicks sucking lips. Yeah, you can't beat
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: that type of energy. I was teasing my boy. My
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: boy is a super duper NAS fan, and I'm a
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: super at this time. Hole. I fuck with Hole. When
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Takeover came out on a blueprint and I was just
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: playing it over, he was in the car like, yeah, yo,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: wait on none of this smoke and Ether drop, I
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: was like, fucking christ ship Man, ether Man. That ship
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: is a part of the culture, That record is a
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: part of the culture. That title that that music is
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: part of me. Now you get it. It's a verb.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: You got ether? People said, man, man, you got ether,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Like stand yeah, lambs exactly. Everyone says no, you're a
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: stand for that stand off of some hip hop ship. Yeah, Nas, Nasah,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: you know what song I didn't think get enough love
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: was the song the Blueprint two? On the Blueprint two
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: or that just Blazebee where he's like when the when
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: the when the the what did he say when the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: grass is cut? The Snow Show. Gotta thank the little
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: homie NAS for that, though, just because he wears a coofie,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: it don't mean that he's right. Is it Uchie Wally Wally?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: There is? It wasn't Mike is it? Black Girl? Lost
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: as it? Shorty owe you for ice? No one talked
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: about that because the battle was already won by NAS.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: It was over funny is so like right my favorite
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: NAS verse like all my homies obviously, if you like
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: jays is my favorite rapper ever. M see ever, that's crazy,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: It's that's dope. So but if you're a jay Z fan,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: naturally NAS fans literally the clashed. I love. I love both,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: but I was I was on that side where I
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: was like Manu rich So as a whole fan right
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: as a deep way and NAS fans, I remember, right,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: I would you know we would be talking ship to
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: this day as much as even I've grown to appreciate.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: I've always liked nas No as a rapper. I just
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: I thought was overrated, I thought crazy. Listen not It's
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: just it's just the shadiest one for New York. Just
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: his greatest rap. I'm not even mad if that's what
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: you feel, right, But I'm just saying it was. It
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: was super you know, a regional idea that became bigger.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: But over the time, right, my favorite naship we made
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: you the Verse on Kanye record right even now right
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: listening to him now with hit like put on hit
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: and do shit for hit, right, It's amazing. But I
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: find myself still teasing my homies, like I'm like, yeah,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: little nas X got nas name. It's funny, right, how
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: that shit never dies? You still be teasing your homies like, yeah,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: this is the new nas you know niggas high. Nas
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Empty is my favorite man now is my favorite MC,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: and Kanye is my favorite artist. Kanye is just unbelievable discography.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know how fuck the music everything he does animal,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: He's an animal man ship, He's an animal. I think
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: I was just not a fan of the Jesus King
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: album outside of that, but I'm also I mean, we
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: discussing I'm an atheist. I'm not into the god ship
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: anything they got spirit. I don't hate anything. I just
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: I just was like, man, this is just forcing it
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: down to I guess it's kind of like the you know,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: the Little For me, it was like like Jesus Walks. Yeah,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: but it was one song on an album. So you
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: said an album, wasn't I wasn't. There were some beats
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: on it that were crazy shout out to the Homie books,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: but the whole album, sure, it wasn't. It was Jesus Walk.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Jesus don't do that. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Jesus walks and Jesus talking about subject matterwise, but Jesus
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Walks still as an agreement. I mean, it's one of
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: the best. Kanye Satan is probably playing Jesus Walk, right.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Jesus Walk was a fucking banger, right, And it was
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: one song on a song of I mean, nineteen twenty
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: one records whatever called drop it was. It was like
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: one out of that much Jesus Walks was or Jesus
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: King was like super unfocused. Now Kanye, he was not focused,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: and it was like I thought that all the fucking
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: the shit he was doing with all the the choir
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: and all that shit was corny. I like that. I
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: don't think it was quanny corny. I thought that Kanye
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: has always been a spiritual person. No, I don't disagree.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: I just thought that ship was very like purpose. It
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: didn't feel genuine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: it just got like I think I felt. I think
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: he was. I think he was in a weird place
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: and I think he was going through it for sure. Personally,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: he's been going through a lot. Mentally. I mean, I
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: think I think he had to kind of get spiritually centered.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: And I think I forgive Kanye for all kinds of
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: fuckery and I forgive him for the for the Jesus.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kanye is my favorite artist ever, Like I
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: love Kanye. I can't wait for Donda to come out.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: I just hope it does not disappoint. I don't think
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: it will, and how could it live up to these expectations.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna. I mean, for me, I think
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: it will. I just need to I just need to
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: competence Kanye album and I'll be happy. I'll be honest
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: with you, Kanye could do everything right now. And I
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: really Kanye is probably the only rapper ever who just
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: do what the fuck he wes. I just like, yay, bro,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: whatever ya gonna do because I'm fucking with it. And
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: and I and I and I think it's always from
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: a genuine place. Has Kanye been corney? I don't really
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: think Kanye. I don't think he does things without soul. No,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think Kanye's corny. Yeah yeah, no, I I
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: just said for me, I just thought that there. I
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: remember the wire thing. Just to me, it's just one thing.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: I have to go to a Kanye concert. I've never
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: been to a Kanye I've been to every tour except
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: the Pablo tour. Because the date I was supposed to
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: go to, I might get I might get him become
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: performed at my birthday party. I've been to all the
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Kanye tours. The best show I ever been to was
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: was the Yeezest tour. He had a mountain on stage.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: I heard about that. Have Kanye perform at my birthday party.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: That's what I might do. I'm like, where is this
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: going to be at? I don't know, to be at
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: like a house, a small house. He could rock like
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: thirty people go old school for me, that would be
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: like crazy, Let's get to it. Hey, I'll be there,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Just give me my invite. Man. Hey, well look man,
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• 1:58:56
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• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: we're just finna get into it because I feel like
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: it'd be much bigger, much video. I had to get
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: good at it versus rushing like I think a lot
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: of rappers rushing to it and then that's why they struggle.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to get good at it first.
• 1:59:09
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• 1:59:47
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  Speaker 1: For years we wanted to be a part of the
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• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: the Ice Tea called like? That was in person? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: That was amazing because Ice T is on another He's
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: in an Iced Snoop are as advertised Ice Tea is,
• 2:00:25
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• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: was ours avatars. Those are not characters. There's no other
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: body else. There some a lot of rappers, ninety percent
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: of the rappers. Ice T has turned into a great
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Arizona citizen. Now it is out, and I think it
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: was a Chandler. Ice Tea is proclaiming him now as
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: you should. Ice Tea is as advertised, He's exactly what
• 2:00:49
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• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: like snoop that Iced Tea is that those two guys
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: are as advertised. Besides, is the shadiest one because I
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: think you would see my favorite album. Would you say
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: it's the most slept on hip hop album on from
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: the West Coast? Ever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, fair
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I wouldn't say it's the most slept on.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: I would probably lead that for street gospel. I was
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: gonna say Streets is a Mother and or forty days
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: forty nights, four days forty nights is super nasty. But streets,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: I think how much the West revers street gospel. That's
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: why like, Streets is a Mother is pretty remarkably close.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: But Corrupt was already a successful artist. Yeah so, but
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: street gospel sugar Free, like I don't think the world knows, Yeah,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I also don't think like like people
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: understand how much of fluid sugar Free had Yeah, just
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: on everywhere, not just not just here. But I'm saying
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: so I think that album would be the most underrated
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: and he's he comes as advertising. Yeah, that's for sure
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: that that was a real guy. I saw him on
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: a bitch on Alicia in Vegas. Yes, the real deal.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: But the thing about the shadiest one is what ill
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: matters kids to New York. It's very much She's my
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Probably when westat side connection was like like when bout
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: Down came out was my favorite. I stopt dub. He
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: could out wrap anybody from l A at the time,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: was nasty and just his little aneurysm, skip skip connect
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: all that. When I hear illmatic, that's what I hear
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: the shadiest, when I hear this super deep dive into
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: true culture like Queensbridge culture and was doing ship with
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: like Gangstar. He was on the but before that, I
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: was on the shady No, that was way before that.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: But I'm talk about the shadiest one where he dives
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: into LA culture probably greater than anybody ever had sonically
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: and and also like lyrically, like the lingo he was
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: using what he talked about. He talked about the part
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: of the house, part, he talked about all of the
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: lifestyles and situations. It was like that's are illmatic, you
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I and I'm sad that
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: other people you know, huh, I mean, I mean I've
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: never heard that aside from you. Yeah, it's ario Madic,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: the way we just don't have as much sway over
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: the media, you know, as obviously the creators of the
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: actual fucking genre as they should. But that's ario Madic. Okay,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: the shadiest one is ario Matic, all right. Last question
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one of the Chronic two thousand and one,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: me too. Yeah, I mean I was fucking I barely
• 2:03:25
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• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: back and consume Doggie style and the Chronic. I heard
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: them right, And I think two thousand and one butt
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: revalue re replay value now, but personally for me it's
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. But when you just talk about
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: share greatness, the Chronic is the father, No, for sure,
• 2:03:41
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• 2:03:43
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• 2:03:46
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