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Losing the Founder · Let's Ask the Mamas!

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  Speaker 1: We got a question for our American mama's. Dear mamas,
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  Speaker 1: have you noticed that organizations who get rid of their
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  Speaker 1: founder often get worse, not better?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's ask our American mama's mama, mama.
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  Speaker 1: She said, and joining us now our American mama's Terry
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  Speaker 1: Edville and Kimberlee Burlison. You know, the best example I
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  Speaker 1: can think of this is Apple Computer. So Steve Jobs
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  Speaker 1: comes in along with Steve Wosney. If they create Apple
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  Speaker 1: Computer in the late nineteen seventies, early nineteen eighties, they've
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  Speaker 1: become a big company by the mid to late nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 1: and by the early nineteen nineties they've hired a new CEO,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Scully, and the board of executives ouse Steve Jobs,
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  Speaker 1: and he's gone. And throughout the nineties you saw Apple Computer,
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  Speaker 1: which had been ascendant, the creator of the home computer
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, throughout the nineteen nineties they were
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  Speaker 1: in free fall and the company almost went out of
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  Speaker 1: business until they brought Steve Jobs, their founder back again.
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  Speaker 1: The visionary to reset the course? Is that just Apple
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  Speaker 1: or you see that with other organizations.
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  Speaker 3: I see it all the time, really all the time.
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  Speaker 3: We were having a conversation about this because my children
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  Speaker 3: went to an amazing private school in Arlington, Texas. This
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  Speaker 3: place was featured in Southern Living, it was on TV.
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  Speaker 3: It was magic, like Terry called it, like Hogwarts. It
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  Speaker 3: had that kind of feeling. There's murals, it, antiques everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: the staircases. It was Terry went everywhere, beautiful, believable. And
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  Speaker 3: the secret to that school being so successful was the
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  Speaker 3: woman that started it. Okay, her name was Lynn Kenner.
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  Speaker 3: She was amazing. She was magic for that school. I
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  Speaker 3: remember we walked around the school. We go into a
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  Speaker 3: classroom and where you put down the projector slide, it
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  Speaker 3: was this huge tassel, this beautiful tassel, and I was
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  Speaker 3: like I just grabbed it and I was like, look
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  Speaker 3: at this, and she went, Kimberly, it's details. People remember
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  Speaker 3: the details you can have. People can walk into school
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  Speaker 3: and not know how to explain it because it's so magical,
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  Speaker 3: but they'll just tell you. Even the pulleys have tassels
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  Speaker 3: on them. She said, so, but she was magic. So
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  Speaker 3: long story short, this school gets bought, they keep her on,
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  Speaker 3: but then they let her go. So with her vision,
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  Speaker 3: she has all these people working for that begin to
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  Speaker 3: think they got they know what they're doing, They've got
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  Speaker 3: this under control. They ousked her.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Flood in the school. They paint all the murals white nothing,
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  Speaker 3: They take all the antiques out and they put your
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  Speaker 3: basic black furniture everywhere. There's no magic in that school.
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  Speaker 3: It is shutting down in May. It's closing their doors.
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  Speaker 3: They can't keep kidds. Private school has a waiting list
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  Speaker 3: to get in. It is shutting down. And I see
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  Speaker 3: it time and time again. I saw it with Snowball Express,
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  Speaker 3: that incredible organization. They oust the visionary. My brother in
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  Speaker 3: law started a church that grew in huge, but the
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  Speaker 3: minute it got big, they asked them from his own church.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what is wrong with people that you have
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  Speaker 3: these incredible businesses organizations that the second the visionary has
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  Speaker 3: done it all, you don't think they're doing enough. You
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  Speaker 3: let them send them on their way, and then you
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  Speaker 3: think you can fix it and you destroy it.
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  Speaker 1: What's the first of all, why do you think that happens?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that you get rid of the founder,
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  Speaker 1: you get rid of the visionary and in a phage,
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  Speaker 1: why is that you know the.
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  Speaker 2: Only thing I can think of because you see this
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  Speaker 2: happening in churches where you know, people don't know this
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  Speaker 2: a lot about churches, but there's always there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of division, you know, within the leadership searright. You know
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  Speaker 2: that's when people start working there. It's like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of ugly on the inside sometimes. But when you
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  Speaker 2: think about Steve Jobs and I think about Lynn Kinner,
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  Speaker 2: and they are magnets. You know, these are people that
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  Speaker 2: are so brilliant in their particular corner of the world
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  Speaker 2: and people are drawn to them and they can give
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  Speaker 2: the vision to others and people kind of like Dad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they catch the dream, they catch the vision, right.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about that your your book Dream Catcher
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  Speaker 1: talking about how Terry Bradshaw had a vision for being
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback of a football player and your dad caught
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  Speaker 1: his vision, yeah, and was able to succeed on.
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  Speaker 2: And see, what you need is people like Dad who
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  Speaker 2: are willing to catch someone else's vision and not try
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  Speaker 2: to overstep them and get in there, because you do
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  Speaker 2: need those that do kind of whine the gears and
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  Speaker 2: do this behind the scenes stuff. A lot of times
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  Speaker 2: those people get a little bit jealous and they think
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  Speaker 2: the only reason he or she is that successful because
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  Speaker 2: I'm over here in the background. And they then they
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  Speaker 2: start like Genian with other people, like I could do
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  Speaker 2: this job better. And then I think that just comes
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  Speaker 2: a upswell of negativity towards the leader, the one that
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  Speaker 2: started it all, and they say, you know what, we
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  Speaker 2: can do this better than him, We could do this
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  Speaker 2: better than her. And what seems that what they don't
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  Speaker 2: understand is yes, you need all parts. If you're going
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  Speaker 2: to catch a dream, you don't want to take that
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  Speaker 2: dream away from the person that helps you catch it.
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  Speaker 2: You want to help them because when they succeed, you
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  Speaker 2: succeed your time and the sun will come because if
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  Speaker 2: you do your part, people will know. But a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times it's jealousy, it's greed, and then when it
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  Speaker 2: fails and they go, wait, what, we're closing down the school,
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  Speaker 2: it's because the person that you pushed out is gone,
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  Speaker 2: the life of the party is gone, the lights of
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  Speaker 2: that party is dark. So it's such a lesson and
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  Speaker 2: let people be that sunshine and their area of expertise
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  Speaker 2: without being jealous and trying to take them down for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and sometimes to someone who really is a visionary
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  Speaker 1: has a difficult time explaining what their vision actually is
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  Speaker 1: and other people will maybe not catch it then, or
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  Speaker 1: they think they're difficult, they think they're rude because they
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  Speaker 1: aren't able to fully communicate the vision even though they're
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  Speaker 1: always passionate about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, to me, the visionary the one, the successful ones,
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  Speaker 2: are the best at it, and you need that person
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  Speaker 2: to be able to see for other people to come in,
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  Speaker 2: and that's where the jealousy comes in, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: kniberly brother. Listen, thank you so much, Thank you,