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- 0:00Welcome to unspoken career truths.
- 0:02I'm Cara Wood. And I'm Lauren Levac Gilbert.
- 0:05And we're here to be the Co workers you can trust.
- 0:09It's always there, it's not talked about.
- 0:12It's very important the. Thing is ominous.
- 0:15It's everywhere, Lauren. We got to talk about it.
- 0:18That's a good word for this, Yeah, It's workplace politics.
- 0:22Most people hate them. A lot of people are confused by
- 0:25them. People try to avoid it at all
- 0:27costs, but they are the nature of working with human beings at
- 0:31a company. There's something inevitable
- 0:34about them, but I've definitely worked at places where it's sort
- 0:37of insidious versus it's like the only way you do business,
- 0:42versus the ones where every once in a while something gets a
- 0:46little political, and I definitely prefer the latter.
- 0:49Yeah, I think every organization has like a spectrum of where
- 0:52they are from a work politics perspective.
- 0:54Some organizations are like at an 11, some are at A2.
- 0:58There's a lot of variations in terms of workplace politics.
- 1:02When I was starting out in my career, it wasn't something that
- 1:05was explicitly talked about. And I don't think I like really
- 1:09started to think about it or understand it until like
- 1:13something happened where I was like, whoa, I was like out of
- 1:16nowhere. Where did that come from?
- 1:18And then I had to like ask my mentor and my manager and be
- 1:21like, what the heck happened? They're like, OK, well, let's
- 1:24talk a little bit about like some of the underlying factors
- 1:26here or, or things that you might not have thought about
- 1:29that kind of went into this. As I've gotten further in my
- 1:32career, I think I've learned how important it is and how you
- 1:36really can't ignore it necessarily in some.
- 1:38Situations. Yeah, that's interesting.
- 1:41I was exposed to workplace politics at my kitchen table
- 1:45talk. They say sometimes you learn
- 1:48your work values based on how your parents talk about work.
- 1:50And I definitely learned about workplace politics just based on
- 1:55my parents and other family members experiences.
- 1:58But I'm also from a large family and so maybe there's also just
- 2:02this personality thing where people are focused on, hey, how
- 2:05does everyone get along? But it's all familiar patterns
- 2:09to me. My first job out of college, I
- 2:12remember that two things happened.
- 2:14One person got promoted above me and I was like very confused as
- 2:19to why. And then one person actually got
- 2:22let go and I was like, that didn't make a ton of sense.
- 2:25And there was like a whole underlying story around how long
- 2:30they'd been there and like who they had worked for and who is
- 2:34their advocate and why they got promoted.
- 2:36And I was like, what is this for me?
- 2:39Like listening and learning and reading between the lines and
- 2:43the once I realized that that was like so important, it really
- 2:46did help me kind of understand the workplace better.
- 2:49I'm not saying I like participated in the politics
- 2:52necessarily, but it was easier for me to understand the
- 2:54dynamics. I think you kind of have to
- 2:57participate in politics. You just don't have to play
- 2:59dirty. Like we all, we all think about
- 3:02politics in a number of different ways.
- 3:04And it's it's the way that we reach consensus.
- 3:06It's the way that people get represented.
- 3:08But what you're also talking about, Lauren, reminds me of
- 3:11what you said at the top of this, which is it's unspoken.
- 3:14A lot of times I think politics that don't show up are because
- 3:19of either a history or a hierarchy that you can't see.
- 3:22I really like what you said about it doesn't have to be
- 3:25manipulative, like it doesn't have to be playing games or any
- 3:29of that. And that's how people really
- 3:30look at it. But it's really human nature.
- 3:32So like for me, the things I look for.
- 3:34So if you're in a big meeting, who does the leader go to first?
- 3:38Are they asking someone for a specific opinion?
- 3:41Is one person talking more than other people after the meeting?
- 3:45Like who does the follow up? Who's staying back and who's
- 3:49talking to each other? I really try to observe all
- 3:52those types of things. Who has the influence right and
- 3:55then? I look at what clicks there are
- 3:58so. People.
- 3:59'S social groups who eats lunch together, understanding who's
- 4:02worked together either at past companies or with each other
- 4:06before, oftentimes because they may have a shorthand or a level
- 4:10of comfort. The other thing that plays into
- 4:12politics sometimes is who's vulnerable or has like already
- 4:16backed something because as soon as someone back something
- 4:19publicly they either get support or they don't.
- 4:22And what does someone have to either gain or lose when they
- 4:26are making making a leap or sticking their neck out or
- 4:29advocating for something I. Really like the one about where
- 4:32they used to work. Because that's so true.
- 4:34Like if a bunch of people come in from another company, they
- 4:37have their own dynamic and they're bringing it into the
- 4:40existing company. Yeah.
- 4:41And I who hired who you're you're more likely to take that
- 4:46persons perspective and listen to it more than others.
- 4:49I agree. And there's a lot of data around
- 4:51like how people feel about workplace politics.
- 4:53So 60 to 70% of employees say workplace politics effects their
- 4:57ability to actually get work done, which can happen a lot,
- 5:00right? Because you have to navigate and
- 5:02understand what's happening. 50% of employees report regularly
- 5:06observing political behavior at work, and at nearly one in
- 5:11three, employees say they feel they must engage in politics to
- 5:14advance their career. That one, to me, I don't
- 5:17disagree with. I feel like if you don't play
- 5:19the game a little bit, and again, it doesn't have to be in
- 5:22a manipulative way or negative way, it's going to be much
- 5:25harder to progress if you're in an organization where workplace
- 5:29politics is really prevalent. I actually am surprised at how
- 5:33low that is. One in it's only a third of the
- 5:35people feel like they have to do it in order to advance their
- 5:38career. Because I think on some level,
- 5:40workplace politics are literally just being likable and and
- 5:44listening and liking and influencing people.
- 5:46And I think that is key to advancing your career.
- 5:49That's a great point, Cara, and a great kind of transition into
- 5:52what I wanted to talk about, which is a large part of
- 5:54workplace politics is just being visible, being connected,
- 5:58talking to people, understanding how to navigate, understanding
- 6:01the culture of the company. And it can be something as
- 6:04simple as like aligning before meetings and being included in
- 6:08conversations. Like that's to me, always a clue
- 6:11if like you're doing it right. If conversations are happening
- 6:14on a project that you own and you're not included, to me
- 6:16that's a signal to say, hey, like maybe you should do a
- 6:19little bit at work to network with people or work with your
- 6:21cross functional partners, or be a little bit more visible so
- 6:24that you're included in those conversations.
- 6:26And I know there are people listening who, like you said at
- 6:29the top, have been blindsided by some of that stuff.
- 6:32And sometimes there's a decision that's already been made outside
- 6:35of a meeting and you didn't even know who was involved or how it
- 6:39got made. And you're kind of like screwed
- 6:41over and what makes the politics toxic or like you're not let
- 6:44into that room. You weren't considered as a
- 6:46decision maker. You weren't ever going to have
- 6:49any sway, which is a really frustrating.
- 6:52But I leads into, I was going to share an example of I was tasked
- 6:56with doing this project once and I was told like nobody else is
- 6:59working on it. We need you to kind of get all
- 7:01these cross functional partners involved.
- 7:03I was like, it was, I was early in my career and they kind of
- 7:06outlined like, here's the cross functional partners.
- 7:08You need like get them all on board, come up with a plan.
- 7:10So I like went and did this. I met with all these partners
- 7:12and we had like a readout meeting and I thought I knew
- 7:15everybody that was going to be at the readout meeting and I
- 7:17thought I had aligned with all the cross functional partners.
- 7:19And I come into the meeting and I like gave big kudos to
- 7:23everybody who helped and collaborated.
- 7:24And I give my presentation and there's someone in the room that
- 7:27was invited that I wasn't aware of who was on another team that
- 7:30I didn't even know existed came in And they're like, well, we're
- 7:33kind of doing this already over here.
- 7:36And this is duplicative of our work.
- 7:38I think we should kind of go with the contract and the, and
- 7:41the project that we already have working.
- 7:42And I literally, I remember sitting in that meeting and
- 7:44being like, what just happened? Like I'd never met this person.
- 7:47I didn't even know the team existed.
- 7:49And afterwards I kind of sat down with my manager and I was
- 7:53like, where did that come from? Like I, I, I, I didn't even know
- 7:57that this person worked at the company.
- 7:58Like I didn't know that this function was involved.
- 8:00And my manager was great and, and she was like, this is what
- 8:05happens when you work at a large company sometime.
- 8:07Like I wasn't read into this conversation.
- 8:08It was our, our boss's boss who kind of didn't connect all the
- 8:13dots. So I, I think what you said
- 8:15makes a lot of sense. Like you can do everything right
- 8:17and still not know. And this is like kind of a
- 8:19learning process and sometimes you kind of get thrown a
- 8:23curveball. I don't know Cara if you have an
- 8:25example on your. Side well, and a lot of the
- 8:27examples that I'm thinking about are they always they almost boil
- 8:31down to perception and sometimes you don't know the perception
- 8:34that people have of you or they've set the perception of
- 8:38you based on such a personal thing.
- 8:41I remember learning I went to somebody's goodbye party and the
- 8:44next day so the person had left the company and the next day the
- 8:48head of the company said that was really big of you to go to
- 8:51her goodbye party. Now I didn't think anything of
- 8:54going to her goodbye party. She was in the larger
- 8:56organization, but because she hated you this entire time and I
- 8:59learned all this stuff about things and I was like, I had I'm
- 9:03so glad I didn't know. And I also was like, wow, like I
- 9:07had no idea. The things that she didn't like
- 9:10me for were just we just had a couple of different values.
- 9:13There were things that I would never have thought.
- 9:16Would it have upset anyone? And but then as soon as I knew
- 9:19the background and where she was coming from, I was like, Oh
- 9:22yeah, like, of course it's like, Oh yeah, we didn't totally see
- 9:25eye to eye And for me that wasn't even a deal breaker in
- 9:28respecting her point of view, but she thought we have
- 9:31different educational. Levels.
- 9:32Then we're not seeing eye. To eye.
- 9:34And that's not anything I ever think is factors in but but she
- 9:39did and it was a very real dislike from her perspective.
- 9:43And I was like good thing for the timing.
- 9:44You know, and that's like a political thing that you would
- 9:49have no idea. You can imagine a scenario where
- 9:53someone who really doesn't like you starts like a campaign to
- 9:55get you fired. I've, you know, I've oh.
- 9:58No. You know, but you see that like
- 10:00play out again in like really awful politics.
- 10:02And that wasn't the case in the situation.
- 10:04It was just, hey, you guys have never seen eye to eye.
- 10:06And I was like, I didn't know that a little leadership at our
- 10:09entire company was aware of the animosity and I wasn't, which
- 10:13was embarrassing. Well.
- 10:14Anybody can be thrown curveball. So workplace politics can be
- 10:18complex. I think if you're listening to
- 10:21this and you're like, oh gosh, are there workplace politics I
- 10:23don't know about? What I would say is like, take a
- 10:26beat. Try to observe as much as you
- 10:28can. Have conversations that can give
- 10:30you clues to better understand if you were blindsided or you
- 10:34don't know what's happening or you need to kind of align with
- 10:37different people in different scenarios.
- 10:39For me, I think a lot of it is often the one-on-one
- 10:42conversations and sort of building this now work of people
- 10:46that you do trust. Like for again, I'll go back to
- 10:48that example because I had a good relationship with the
- 10:51leader that told me that and I had a powerful set of people who
- 10:57respected my decisions. And so even though there's
- 10:59someone else who didn't like what I was doing, I sort of
- 11:02already had a network of other people and I the decisions that
- 11:05I made mattered. I wasn't cut out of any kind of
- 11:08decisions. If anything, I think it was
- 11:10actually harder for her because of the connections I had.
- 11:13So I think with politics, having one-on-one conversations and
- 11:17building the rapport that you can with as many people as you
- 11:21can at your company and understanding your own political
- 11:24clout, like who do you have in your corner?
- 11:26Who do you have to talk to and who respects your opinion?
- 11:30That's kind of what you're building when you're building
- 11:31these like political networks. I completely agree and if you're
- 11:35new to a company or just new in your career, I completely agree
- 11:40with or I like build relationships, meet with as many
- 11:44people as you can, cross functioning across the company
- 11:46at different levels. Like be visible, be seen, kind
- 11:49of build that rapport because trust is the first kind of
- 11:53barrier to entry for anything. Like if you can build trust with
- 11:56someone, it's much easier for them to then look to you, ask
- 12:01you a question, bring you in. Yeah.
- 12:03And you talk about trust and I want to put a caveat into that.
- 12:06If there's someone at your company who's saying I only
- 12:08trust people who are super loyal to me or say yes to every
- 12:11decision I make or do these certain like tasks and like
- 12:15favors for me. Like that is a both political
- 12:18person and also an extremely like dangerous person.
- 12:21I don't know, Lauren, if you run into those.
- 12:22But as you were talking about like building and networking,
- 12:25I'm like, there's also this like person that uses kind of
- 12:28political power in a way that isn't about listening and
- 12:32sharing ideas and building consensus because it's a good
- 12:34idea, but is doing it because they are pure political.
- 12:38I have experienced people like that in several of my roles in
- 12:42the way that I usually treated is like, recognize that person.
- 12:46Recognize that you can't change them, understand how you can
- 12:50build a relationship that works with you and that person, and
- 12:54just be very aware of who they are and how you handle any
- 12:58project or any conversation with them and spend extra time.
- 13:03Aligning with that kind of person gives the wrong
- 13:06impression to anyone else around them.
- 13:07So often times for me I like treat that person like even much
- 13:11more like with a kid kid gloves. I probably don't spend as much
- 13:14time with them. I spend like I really think
- 13:17through any of my interactions and I make sure that me saying
- 13:20no to them is like visible, like if it needs to be, you know, me
- 13:24like pushing back on them, me making sure that people still
- 13:27feel like they can be heard outside of that person's little
- 13:30like, I'm gonna say web of influence.
- 13:32But yeah, it's a it's a pretty insidious behavior.
- 13:34And I think it's one of the ones that if we think about the way
- 13:38that politics gets so toxic, it's it's a signal to avoid.
- 13:42100% So at the end of the day, workplace politics exist.
- 13:48They can be annoying, annoying, but they have a place and
- 13:52they're usually at some level at every organization because we're
- 13:54all humans. So figure out how you can
- 13:58observe and listen and understand the politics.
- 14:01Talk to people who've been there for a long time and understand
- 14:04the culture to get a better sense of it.
- 14:07Take account of of your role, your projects, how it's
- 14:11connected to other people. Yeah, and I think about it, I
- 14:14mean, honestly, I think you can relate it to government
- 14:16politics. Like the last thing I'll say
- 14:17about this is how what kind of company you want to work for is
- 14:22sort of like which kind of politics you want to play.
- 14:24So if you want an inclusive, everyone feels safe company,
- 14:28then that means your politics needs to be that too, where
- 14:31you're listening to more people and letting them feel heard.
- 14:34So when you're interviewing, make sure you talk to people who
- 14:36are at your level, below your level across the org to try and
- 14:39get a sense of the environment. That's a wrap.
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