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Bear Grylls - Adventurer, Fmr SAS & 18M+ Books Sold | Why Making It Nearly Destroyed Him · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  When you're going through hard time, it's actually your time. This is your time. This will be
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  where you'll create your stories. The hard times are our time to shine.
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  Their grills has faced some of the most extreme conditions on the planet, where one wrong move
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  means the end. A former special forces soldier and the face of man versus wild, he's built a career
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  pushing the limits of human endurance. If you're going to be strong in life, you're going to be
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  successful whatever that word means to you. There's no shortcut there. You can't cheat you way
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  there. It's a right to passage. The swagger of life takes away your swagger. It teaches you to
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  walk with humility and life is very humbling. The danger time is when we kind of feel we've made it
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  or we're not growing or we've somehow got it together. The danger when people experience success
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  is you assume they've somehow arrived in a place and they've got it all together. I think success
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  creates many more hardships. From near-death experiences and navigating the harshest environments on
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  earth, he's learned what most people never will. Today, he reveals the mindset of survival.
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  We cannot build our lives on our identity of work because ultimately it's not going to be there.
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  That's your identity in life. You're always going to be chasing it. I've learned to embrace
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  the difficult stuff and walk towards the scary. In these moments, you create vulnerability,
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  create bonds with people and you failed your way to success. But then you learn.
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  There, this is one of my favorite quotes. Show me a strong person who's ever had an easy pass. So
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  you said this to audiences all over the world. What does that line mean to you? When did you first
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  believe it about yourself? I think that's an ongoing process, but I think I think so many,
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  so many of us in life sort of try and cover up the battles and the scars, but really as the scars
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  we get and the the battles we face and the battles we often lose that create us, you know, and it's
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  like if you're going to be strong in life or if you're going to be successful, whatever that word
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  means to you. There's no shortcut there. You can't cheat your way there. You can't buy your way
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  there and you can't get there without getting hit, kick down, hit down. You know, it's just
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  part of it. It's a right to passage. You know, those things, their doorways aren't on there. As
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  you know, as well, you have to go through, if you're going to get to the good stuff, it's called
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  the barrier of entry and the barrier of entry to strength is often a difficult journey, but the
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  journey creates our strength. So I think, I mean, I first knew that about myself when I think
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  when I was serving in the army as a young soldier and had that parachuting accident as a young guy
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  aged, age 20 and suddenly, you know, suddenly on my back in the hospital unable to move
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  and you have to re-evaluate everything. You know, I couldn't get up to go to the bathroom
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  without it feeling like I was climbing the highest mountain in the world. You know, and all the
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  things you take for granted and you maybe have a swagger beforehand that is ill-earned in a way.
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  You know, the swagger of life really comes from the battles and the scars and the swagger of life
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  takes away your swagger. It teaches you to walk with humility and life is very humbling. But,
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  you know, what I look back and like I know you believe as well, you know, without that time, none of
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  the other stuff would have ever happened. So I suppose the message from all of that is, you know,
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  that quote stands is that when you're going through a hard time, it's actually your time. This is
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  your time. You know, this will be where you'll create your stories. You'll be telling your children,
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  your grandchildren about these times and therefore don't run from them, embrace them. The hard times
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  are our time to shine. You know, you said something that really resonates with me. You said in
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  not so many words, you're still on this journey. You're always on on this journey and there's
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  never a moment where the journey is over. I think it's a very important idea because you've gone
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  through many different seasons of life. You've gone through different things that have been
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  important to you. You've gone through different projects you've worked on. People know a lot about
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  your origin story. So I want to just write out of the gates or to fast forward a little bit.
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  What season of life are you in now? What is the focus? What is the journey that you're on right now?
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  What is the hard thing that you're overcoming? So I think, first of all, I think you're right about
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  seasons. The reason I started by saying that is that I think the danger when people experience
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  success or we interview or we meet people who we deem successful is you assume they've somehow arrived
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  in a place and they've got it all together. And actually, I think often it's the other way around.
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  You know, I think success creates many more hardships for people in so many ways. You know,
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  might not be materially, but it I think, you know, little things like the danger of thinking
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  you're suddenly right or interesting or, you know, I see it all the time. People are successful and
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  people surround them. Everyone laughs at their jokes and it's like, I actually create this sort of,
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  you know, people no longer know what's real, you know, so I don't know. I kind of feel,
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  first of all, I have definitely haven't arrived. I think if you didn't view me at 25 or 35,
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  you know, I look back now and I think I haven't got a clue what I was on about, but you know,
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  we were, I was interviewed at 25 or 35, you're still saying you're doing your best and you're trying.
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  So I think every moment is a season and we're always growing and the danger time is when we kind
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  of feel we've made it or we're not growing or we've somehow got it together. Because as I said,
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  life is very humbling. In terms of where I am now, I suppose I feel, I feel really grateful that
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  I've sort of finally figured out in life what I've got to protect and what is real and what is
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  a real value and where is my real wealth in life, of which you answer to all of that is in our
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  relationships and how like you got to guard your family first, this has been such a
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  powerful journey and an important journey for me to go, the rest is just work and I'm super
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  lucky to love my work and I work with brilliant people and I've been able to follow my heart so
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  much of my life and, you know, through many failures along the way, but I feel so lucky for that.
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  But the real wealth in my life is, is my family and those relationships and I suppose I feel
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  fortunate to be at a stage where I kind of can build my work world around that for many, many years
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  in the early days of TV. You know, I was young, we just got married, we just had young kids,
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  I was on the back foot, we had no ownership, we had no control, I wasn't paid that brilliantly,
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  I was away all the time, the danger was raw and all too real all the time, we had no
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  measures in place for that and I was just like totally living really on the back foot,
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  being run ragged by everybody else and I think it took me many years to claw that back and to start
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  to take ownership of the shows we did, start to live on the front foot, start to decide when to go,
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  when to be at home, what not to miss, what school play from our children, I was a non-negotiable,
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  I'm going to be back for that even though Tom Cruise wants to go running wild, you know, it's like,
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  these are the like decisions that actually you never really regret just investing time and energy
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  in family and putting family first. So I feel now lucky to get to work from a place where I really love
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  with like I say with people I love on projects I love but I can steer it around the family,
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  I can take the family with me more now, our elder son is working with me in many of our businesses
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  from productions to other things as well and to be honest if I had to pick one thing it's just
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  been the greatest blessing is probably that, reinvigorated so much for me and it reminds me why I've
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  worked hard and why I've taken many risks over the years is to get to that good stuff and you know
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  you can't kind of jump the process I suppose I don't think at 25 I knew quite how to do that you
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  know so it is a process and it is a journey but in terms of the season now I'm so grateful for
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  those seasons but I've had my eye on the prize always and a strong compass to try to get to where
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  I knew I wanted to get to which is being able to keep family first follow the heart and work with
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  family and friends that I love. You know you are like most people that are very ambitious I would
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  even say probably a little bit more you're you're a very intense high performing person this is how
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  you've built your whole career I think this is a a blessing and I think what a lot of people
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  have trouble with myself included and I'm curious to get your take on this is they understand
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  theoretically at some point they want to shift gears and they want to focus more in family and
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  they want to focus more things that are truly meaningful but they've built their whole life through
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  this intensity and going after professional goals and I think they find it really hard to switch
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  and pivot and take a step back and I'm speaking from truly like lived personal experience
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  talk to me about how you were able to do that gracefully you you seem to have such a good view
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  of what true happiness is right now as you're sort of talking about what's important to you
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  but I could totally see somebody who was all in on their career you know hanging out with Tom
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  Cruz I could see them completely ignoring the rest of their life quite easily when things are
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  going so well career wise was there a moment in particular when you understood that career is not
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  everything that you want to be focused on in your life or was it a gradual sort of migration from
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  career focus to family focus and is there advice for people that are this high performer personality
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  type that have their identity and I'm not saying that you did but for people that do have their
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  identity intertwined with their career and their work how do you take a step back without feeling
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  like there's a huge gap in in who you are yeah first of all I think sort of the I think the
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  image people always have is is of me being that hyper focus intense kind of like you know and
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  actually I think if my children or wife were here hearing that they would they'd chuckle and laugh
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  because most of the time at home we're goofing around and we're messing around and we're having fun
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  and they take the mick out of me ruthlessly and you know we live really lightly I'm not a kind of
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  David Goggins type person where it's 24-7 like that you know I kind of I think that also I'm
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  sort of focused and disciplining in how I kind of live and I train I try and make that a daily habit
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  but beyond that I kind of really also try and live lightly we laugh a lot I run around I roll around
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  with the dogs and speak and silly voices all day and you know so I think that is that is me and
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  that is the majority of my life actually at the same time I've kind of learned over the years
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  you know when to be on and when to kind of be focused and I think my family would also say I switch
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  into that quite quickly when we're on a you know we're hiking or in the backcountry somewhere and
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  something potentially could go wrong and they always take the mick out of me that I'm a survival
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  catastrophist at every turn and I kind of get quite focused sometimes but you know I think the
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  journey of life again is not being scared of who you are following who you are beyond ashamed of
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  of that embrace it and laugh at yourself but I think the ability to kind of switch I think between
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  kind of modes is part of the wisdom of life you know I think I think my original career as a soldier
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  with the SAS with the British Special Forces in those early years was sort of set that pattern a
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  little bit because when you were on you needed to be very on and you were part of a high performing team
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  and everyone's best in class and you got to kind of deliver and I kind of like that you walk
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  through the gates and you elevate and you're you know you're highly trained you're really good at what
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  you do but yet being able to kind of symbolically take that backpack off and the belt kid off
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  when you leave the gates and be back into kind of normal life and I think I learned very quickly as
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  well in the world of TV nobody really cares about your job I mean I remember the first few episodes
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  I did I'd come back and I'd be desperate to tell my friends like we jumped off this huge cliff
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  and I was wrestling this snake and then this happened I got caught in these rapids and you know
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  everyone's interested for about 30 seconds but actually you know very quickly I learned everyone
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  just cares you know they're busy with their own lives and they they care about their own staff
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  and they'll humor you for a little bit so I kind of very quickly I think learned just to leave my
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  work behind and you know I think the same for Shara my wife when I get home there's only so much
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  she'd wanted to hear like you know all the adventures I mean to be honest the gear would speak for
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  itself you just see it see this backpack full of stinking muddy boots and clothes I think she's
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  sort of in the early days raise an eyebrow about like quarter of an inch and that was about it and
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  you know I think she said the more important things to discuss and I kind of learned to embrace that
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  and I think originally it goes back to having a dad also who was really fun and really cosy
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  and yet it was also kind of really good at what he did he'd been a Romerine's Commando and
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  was kind of I know I think sort of I quite like that juxtaposition is it he was kind of stealing
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  on one hand and yet a real goofball with us on the other hand and I never wanted to just kind of
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  put on an image to the world of always being like you know I think it'd be exhausting being a
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  David Goggins you know much of someone like that is great you know everyone's going to follow their
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  the show notes terms and conditions do apply the lesson and the wisdom is seeing somebody who you
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  you're correct you're deconstructing that the perception of somebody who's just seeing you on tv
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  in a very healthy way so somebody can be an incredibly high achiever in in one arena but then leave
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  that almost a baggage but like leave that in one arena leave all the stuff that comes with that
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  looks like entities leaving that it's like you can't you or me you can't we cannot form our
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  build our lives on our identity of work you know because ultimately it's not going to be there
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  you know if that's your identity in life you're always going to be chasing it you're always
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  going to be carrying what people think and you're always going to be trying to build it up and make
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  those walls stronger but if the foundation your identity your foundations not the veneer you know
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  what is it a great quote quote it's a veneer is the is the character within not the veneer without
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  the make-eth a man you know and I kind of like that is you know you can't play to that identity
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  and you have to you know I mean I deal with all the time as well when I'm doing the corporate
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  speaking that we were chatting about a bit beforehand and I know you do a lot of that and I
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  end up on stage a lot as well but I spend really the first few minutes deconstructing what they've
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  just watched there's a one-minute intro of kind of like you know crock wrestling and parachuting
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  and everything I've actually to say I really struggle with many things you know and this is scary
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  for me but like I've learned to embrace a difficult stuff and walk towards a scary and and in these
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  moments you create vulnerability create bonds with people and I'm here for you today here we go this
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  going to be hard but we're in it and then you can engage so I kind of feel you've got to share that
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  and not just play to people's perceptions or the the easy route which is the hero I love that you
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  do that I think we're actually very much kindred spirits because when I speak on stage sometimes
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  I'll speak about the first time that I spoke on stage which I was way way out of my league I'm
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  very I'm very fortunate that HubSpot I mentioned this briefly sponsors this show and they invite
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  me to inbound which is a big conference I think like something like 12 to 15,000 people show up
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  to this thing so that's not where most people should start speaking careers but that was that was
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  the first stage that I ever had been on and like I was wearing a blazer and I was just soaking wet
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  just wet I'm sure there's an imprint on of me on the chair behind I was so nervous but but you
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  just lean into this stuff and then I tell the story of well what what made me a better speaker
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  well I found every single event smaller large five people five hundred five thousand people
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  that would have me and I just threw myself into it repeatedly until I wasn't nervous anymore
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  that was that was the answer you failed your way to success you know and it's but then you learn
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  you know and also I mean as you know sometimes those big audiences are much easier you know
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  the big audiences that way easier because because there's always going to be somebody or group of
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  people that find something funny or moving or inspiring or whatever what's and nobody is worried
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  that you're looking at them because it's a sea of people but when you're speaking to like I know
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  like a boardroom of eight people and it's high pressure and everyone's doesn't want to show an
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  emotion because then you might pick them out or something and so you sort of I remember the
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  early days I think oh there's nothing coming back here but then you start to push and you push
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  a bit harder but now you're pushing too hard and it's like but these all great lessons to learn
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  aren't they and and also like little things like don't go on stage in front of 15,000 people
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  wearing hot clothes you know and I was always doing it I always thought wow you know now I
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  when I started off speaking being paid a hundred bucks and speaking to the local village
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  what at all you know and I thought as as it grew and you started to get paid more I thought
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  you've got to get smarter so I started to wear a tie I'd never worn a tie in my life but the
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  thing is I found I found you're losing people you know I'm actually using people because now
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  they can get anyone up on stage with a tie they're surrounded by people with ties you know
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  it's much more interesting when this guy turns out a little scruffy and t-shirt and you know he's
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  not there for the dress code you know he's got something else to say you know but that takes
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  confidence and all these things and I've now realized I don't mind when I'm sweating that's the
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  other thing it's like I used to hide it because I think I don't want people to think I'm nervous
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  but now it's like hot enough I've just told you I'm nervous and when I see someone
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  I stay sweating I'm thinking good for you you're working for a living you are you are sweating
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  in front of me well I'm sad on my back so I listened to you good for you so I now look at it
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  like that it's like all in I think that's the way to live and that's that I think that you probably
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  feel the same I mean when I feel that that that that that anxiety a little bit of stress a little
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  bit of excitement that to me is a signal that I'm I'm going after something I should be going
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  after that's the way that I look at it do you ever get it where this the other one I sometimes
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  would get really out of breath before going on because you know you're in you run on and then I'll
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  find I was on the back foot because I'm like trying to catch my breath I'm trying to speak
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  and now I'm not looking now now I'm just looking sort of kind of simple you know and I'm sweating
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  so now I've also learned just breathe I mean what regulates your whole nervous system too I
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  heard this stat that like the the actual hormone response to a stressful event like the high
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  cortisol that lasts something around 90 seconds so anything after that initial hormone cocktail that
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  floods your body is your own mind continuously remembering and sort of lighting up those feelings
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  in you and it's almost like it's your own doing the stress is almost your own doing in your own
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  head so the the breathing the calming down there's a whole bunch of different techniques I think and
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  also just doing it enough all of that just regulates you slows your slows your stress or slows your
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  heartbeat lowers your stress levels and and then allows you to sort of show up the way you would
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  if for just having a conversation on zoom but a lot of it's in your own head most of it's in your
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  I agree yeah it's good these are like these are things nobody ever teaches you in college
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  you know I mean how much of this stuff look at your success with your things like
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  how much if you had to distill what you've learned over 1,300 of these podcasts about success
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  into 10 things I you know by the way I'm sure you've done it as a book in fact you have done it
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  as a book you know none of them were taught to you in college I suspect you're zero my zero
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  percent sending none of them were taught to me tell me about your your book the greatest story ever
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  told so I'm just going to frame it for everybody who's listening so you wrote this book you said
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  that you would trade every Emmy that you've ever received for this book you've also said things
• 26:10
  along the lines of you've doubted your faith 75% of the time you also wrote this book in the
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  jungle while filming with your son and you wrote it in a month and this book is about sort of
• 26:24
  retelling Jesus's life through five first person perspectives so outside of retelling Jesus's
• 26:31
  life obviously there was something that called you to write this book and you mentioned I didn't
• 26:36
  even touch on this piece that I'm not sure what your perspective is on faith and on God but I've
• 26:44
  also as I grow older tried to bring more God into my my house if that makes sense and it's not
• 26:53
  something I really grew up with like I grew up very very very secular but it's something that I've
• 26:58
  thought about more it's something that I've spoken about more with with Gina my fiance and we've
• 27:02
  tried to do it a little bit more we're not perfect but as you get older you've ever now you know
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  now we're engaged and we're gonna get married probably not this summer probably next summer and
• 27:11
  then we want to have kids and and you realize that it's actually really important to have this in
• 27:16
  your in your household but everybody think everybody realizes this for a different reason and I'm
• 27:20
  curious what was your reason for writing this book even mentioning that it was important to you
• 27:25
  before we started recording obviously if you doubted your faith 75% of the time there was
• 27:31
  something that happened in your life I'm assuming that made you not want to doubt and want to bring
• 27:37
  God and Jesus into your life a little bit more so talk to me about this sort of the journey you
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  went on the season of your life that you were in when when God was more important to you then I'm
• 27:47
  assuming when you were you know 20 25 30 years old yeah so first of all I really would give all
• 27:55
  those things all those other things you know summits or awards or amies you said you know all of
• 28:02
  those things are stuff you know we spend so much energy and focus of our lives accumulating these
• 28:08
  things building our identity again on these things but they they're shallow masters they are
• 28:15
  shallow masters and I don't know this has been different you know I've again and I've written a lot
• 28:20
  of books I've written over a hundred books now I'd give them all up in a heartbeat just for this one
• 28:24
  because this touches all of our lives and it's it's all of our stories wrapped up in in his story
• 28:32
  you know I like that quote that's what history is history you know I don't know faith I've never
• 28:38
  been very religious as such you know it's never grew up wanting religion who does you know those
• 28:45
  are rules and those you know always felt judged as a as a teenager whenever I met people of faith
• 28:52
  they always look disapproving they always look kind of like sour pusses and I don't know I was
• 28:58
  seeking life and laughter and friendship and freedom and it's taking me a lifetime to realize
• 29:05
  that is the beating heart of the message of Christ laughter freedom life love friendship risk
• 29:13
  rescue and uh but it's just so different from the sanitized version of Christ that I experience
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  going to church as a kid you know it's all very smiley and nice and Christmas and activities
• 29:29
  and I saw this had no relevance this isn't making me strong or happy yet the more I discovered
• 29:37
  about him and I that's why I wrote the book from the experience of those who knew and best
• 29:41
  because every whatever it is whenever I studied him and looked at him and like away from
• 29:48
  everyone he came into contact with he changed for the better healed and and bought life and
• 29:56
  laughter and courage and I don't know I was just fascinated why did regular people just fight
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  to get through the crowds just to touch the edge of his cloak and why were these religious elites so
• 30:12
  full of fear for about him and I don't know everything I loved he was he he was he was the one for
• 30:20
  the lost boys for the renegades for the outcasts and I kind of always felt hold on that's me I'm
• 30:25
  the shepherd you know I wasn't the Pharisee and you know although we've all got a bit of a
• 30:29
  Pharisee in us as well by the way but I don't know I felt like this guy was incredible and then at
• 30:38
  the same time he was saying he was he created the universe and was God and it was like hold on like
• 30:44
  hold on this is the words of a crazy man hold on what's going on and I found it intriguing and I
• 30:49
  wanted to discover and the the end result is it I found true peace happiness strength and freedom
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  in in that connection to the Almighty and it's what he came to do and I I was stunned to say to
• 31:08
  he he said things I come to bring life life in all its fullness you know to set people free I've come
• 31:16
  to seek and save the lost and I thought hold on that was me I was a lost boy and now I'm like a proud
• 31:22
  lost boy and I love that so I don't feel any more religious in fact I feel less religious to be
• 31:28
  honest but I start every day on my knees not for a long just saying say help me for the day ahead
• 31:35
  be my strength I want to build on rock not on sand I want to have street foundations not full
• 31:41
  identities I want to have that streak of steel running through me I want to know peace in my heart
• 31:48
  I want to try and follow the light and the good things today I'm not a scared to say I need help
• 31:53
  and I'm not scared any longer to say sorry for things I've messed up which are many and that is
• 31:59
  faith and I keep it as simple as that I don't I don't complicate it beyond that but what I didn't
• 32:05
  anticipate was the effect this book would have you know and like I said I've written a lot of them
• 32:11
  but nothing's had the reaction that this has had and I get letters from every culture every country
• 32:21
  people of all faiths all ages from Muslims to atheists to Hindus and they all kind of say the same
• 32:29
  thing which is I had no idea of the real story of Christ of how beautiful it is and how powerful
• 32:37
  and relevant and you know that's like I say it was my story as well you know I a new story's
• 32:44
  like the nativity or the crucifixion or you know the good Samaritan maybe but I didn't ever
• 32:51
  thread it all together and realize how it can empower my life and actually you know hearing you say
• 32:58
  you're starting a family and it you know it's a beautiful there's this stage of your life to be
• 33:03
  seeking out the things that are going to be glue for your family seek out the things that are going
• 33:08
  to provide real depth and strength for your family and you know what faith has been that for me I've
• 33:14
  tried to do it on my own and you're weaker and you're more dysfunctional I see it all the time
• 33:19
  you know and the faith is is light and glue and is a great thing to have as you start out on
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  what would you say to someone because you're I mean before before writing this book you were not
• 36:20
  known as somebody who spoke about faith and religion so what would you say to somebody
• 36:24
  who is turned off by more traditional religion when they listen to you speak about writing about
• 36:31
  Jesus and writing about from these people's perspectives about how the tea impacted their lives
• 36:36
  and God what is what is the the the wisdom you were trying to part on that person about how faith
• 36:43
  has helped and changed your life well first of all I gave up long ago trying to convince anybody
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  of anything you know like you know I mean that covers so many different areas you know like
• 36:55
  I started one walk around years ago and bare feet you know because I just fell to with this
• 37:00
  is good and natural or jumping in ice cold water long before it was like trendy to do or you know
• 37:06
  having sun on my face because I know it felt right and half the people saying you got to wear
• 37:10
  sunscreen and you got to wear shoes and you got to do like I gave up long ago telling people how
• 37:15
  to live you know I think all you can do is live your life and speak from experience about what has
• 37:21
  helped you so I speak from that that experience and that covers faith for me as well it's like
• 37:27
  this has been that glue and that that rock and that streak of steel but I kind of think
• 37:33
  also I'd say sort of it's so easy to throw the baby out with the bath water in life
• 37:38
  in when it comes to faith because so many of us had such you know bad experiences of organized
• 37:44
  religion certainly you know I mean many people have had terrible experiences there and I was
• 37:49
  I was amongst that growing up you know it was incredibly boring and everyone was spoke latin and
• 37:56
  it was you know pastors in white casserox and it was just like this is I'm out you know so it's
• 38:02
  easy to throw the baby out with the bath water and time and life and experiences now I now see
• 38:09
  through that I actually do get a church a beard and I kind of enjoy and I see through all of that
• 38:13
  stuff but to beyond that you know so it's kind of like you don't need to throw the baby out
• 38:18
  with the bath water let the bath water out to get rid of all of that bad stuff the stuff that
• 38:23
  it's not going to serve you well but the heart the heart of Christianity is a freeing and
• 38:29
  powering relationship with your mighty there's based on love and forgiveness and nothing that you
• 38:35
  can earn no matter no matter how many good deeds or good thoughts or you know you you it's all
• 38:41
  an awful short you know the message of Christ is that we all need rescuing and that's been
• 38:48
  very powerful for me in my life to allow me to kind of just try and be true and live who I am
• 38:53
  not not worry about failing and not worrying about being that hero as we talked about earlier
• 38:59
  you know just being able to be true is a very freeing good thing I often speak about how true
• 39:05
  success or fulfillment or happiness is actually sort of comprised of five buckets and I'm sure
• 39:10
  there's many others but what I speak about is yes you have to make some money to support your life
• 39:15
  but then you have to focus on physical health mental health your relationships and then your
• 39:20
  spiritual health as well and obviously I think you've actually just by chatting with you for like
• 39:24
  you know whatever we chatting for like 30 40 minutes now I like how you actually live
• 39:31
  something that I believe in which is you sort of you sort of made sure that none of those buckets
• 39:37
  have deteriorated as you focus on your career and now like the spirituality bucket is the most
• 39:41
  recent one but I actually want to switch and pivot to another bucket which ties into something
• 39:46
  that you're working on right now the health and wellness bucket you speak about obviously mental
• 39:52
  health and wellness being a current epidemic but also physical health and wellness and I know that
• 39:56
  this has led to your most recent company modern savage and explain to me sort of the the thesis
• 40:03
  that you have about health wellness nutrition why you started this company what problem you're trying
• 40:08
  to solve because you you touch on it right before we started there's so much information about health
• 40:14
  and wellness online right now that I think that people are incredibly confused about what to do
• 40:20
  and what to eat and how to live and just talk to me about your experience just focusing on that
• 40:29
  health and wellness bucket and and what modern savage is trying to accomplish well again I come
• 40:34
  over from a place one can only speak from experience because as you say there's so much conflicting
• 40:39
  things out there and it's very hard for people to know where to go but I've just learned
• 40:44
  one thing in my life that covers everything and it's listened to nature nature knows best the
• 40:50
  nature wants to heal you and I think so much of our dis ease and disease and ill health comes
• 40:57
  for when we separate ourselves in nature and if you look at the modern food system it's totally broken
• 41:03
  you know what it has actually done is separate us from nature you know even things like sort of the
• 41:09
  goodness of an orange is something like sort of a thousandths of a goodness it was a hundred years
• 41:14
  ago you know the nutrients are stripped out of soil through all of the farming practices and
• 41:19
  and therefore it becomes very hard to get good nutrients into your body and then you throw into the
• 41:24
  mixer process food staff and the and there's protein bars everyone thinks are great and all these
• 41:29
  you know and like you wonder why so many people struggle with physical and mental health you know
• 41:36
  we've become so separated from what has fueled us for millennia you know for thousands of years
• 41:44
  we we're we're highly tuned to thrive in nature and when you take us out of it whether it's a
• 41:50
  food we put in the body how we live our lives you know all of these different elements if you stop
• 41:55
  moving if you stop challenging yourself if you have no good relationships if you have too much
• 42:01
  phone time too much blue light you know you throw all of these things together and wonder why people
• 42:06
  are struggling but such a big part of it is nutrition and we started modern savage and this is
• 42:13
  this is like really I think it's going to be a real life project for us this because we just
• 42:18
  wanted to provide a really simple way of putting all that nutrient goodness that you know you get
• 42:24
  from organs and you know this is a whole bison organ supplement with everything you need in it
• 42:31
  so it's putting all that nutrient density that we know you get from liver kidney
• 42:37
  spleen lungs heart testicles brain yeah all these things that none of us eat but our ancestors for
• 42:44
  thousands of years thrived off and valued and and kind of you know honored so much because they
• 42:51
  knew the the nutrient density it gives you we've just tried to make it really simple put all the
• 42:56
  good stuff into it and this you know this isn't just for athletes this we're trying to provide
• 43:02
  speak to families you know we want our partners to be strong we want our kids to be healthy we're
• 43:08
  aware that our kids are going to get you know subpar food when they're at school but that is
• 43:13
  just life you know you can't sugarcoat them too much you know it's just going to be busy or your
• 43:18
  partners traveling you just they're not going to have perfect food and we're just trying to make it
• 43:23
  easy something you can have every day a little scoop in your shake or with your yogurt or whatever
• 43:28
  and it's going to help you get that nutrient density of the bison organs so first in this class
• 43:34
  nobody's ever done bison organ you know protein supplement like this but already the feedback
• 43:40
  we're getting is incredible and and it powers me and it powers my family I love this you know
• 43:47
  that the five the five buckets that I mentioned I'll ask you when you hear that is this how you
• 43:54
  sort of structured your life right now it seems like you are focused on making sure that all
• 43:59
  those buckets are are maxed out to a degree is that what true success happiness fulfillment means
• 44:05
  to you well I think really it's one bucket that's how I look at it you know it's like it's like
• 44:11
  making a cake or really good you know you need all the ingredients and if you ignore one you know
• 44:17
  who who wants a cake without any maple syrup in it or you know it's like we need a bit of
• 44:21
  everything too much in your teeth are going to rot you know it's like saying with life if you
• 44:25
  only focus on the spiritual and you ignore the physical you're going to be in trouble you gotta
• 44:29
  know you need a bit of everything and that's a discipline of life with just allocating
• 44:34
  your emotional sort of time each day and physical time to make sure kind of you're investing in
• 44:40
  all of these and I see so many people like who wait until they're having a panic attack to realize
• 44:48
  actually they've never done anything to help their mental health you know all they wait until
• 44:53
  they're physically sick to ever kind of think about or maybe I should be putting better food inside
• 44:57
  my body or you know it's you know you a stitch in time saves nine is a kind of motto I try and
• 45:05
  live by in that sense like you invest a little bit of time in your physical health your mental
• 45:09
  health your spiritual health and and your relationships as you say and then you know you stand
• 45:15
  a fighting chance it's not gonna guarantee nothing terrible is ever gonna happen me it's not
• 45:20
  gonna mean you never have a mental crisis or you never get sick or you know but it just
• 45:25
  helps you to be on the front foot of life for when the storms come for when the battles come
• 45:30
  which as we said at beginning it's gonna happen because if you're in the in life and you're ambitious
• 45:36
  and you're going for big summits you're gonna have some big storms I wish more people understood this
• 45:42
  when I when I interview people I always say there's two kinds of people sit across from me because
• 45:46
  they're all financially successful nobody who at this point comes on this show is not built
• 45:51
  something meaningful and hasn't made some money but there's there's one person who has ignored
• 45:57
  everything except the money and then there's a one person who has made the money and kept everything
• 46:02
  else like he said they focused on one bucket that just comprises of all these different things and
• 46:08
  there's so much happier there's so much more fulfilled there's so much there's so much more at
• 46:12
  peace I always find people just chase after one of those buckets and they don't treat them as
• 46:16
  all important I find that they're always anxious like they they realize too late in life you know 50-55-60-65
• 46:24
  that they left something behind and they're running out of grip yeah that's the problem is if it's
• 46:29
  money the bucket is money it's never enough I'm not I'm very rarely meet you know even billionaires
• 46:35
  you go it's enough it's like somebody it's that great quote I think it was Henry Ford who's asked
• 46:39
  well you know he was a rich man on earth at the time you know how much have you got to you know
• 46:45
  have you reached it how much money do you need for happiness and he said just just a little bit more
• 46:51
  you know and it's like that that bucket is never enough and I always think with money money is a
• 46:56
  very bad a very bad master but a good servant you know we must we must make money serve us to allow
• 47:03
  us to invest time love and energy in the people and the things we really care about you know to
• 47:10
  you know but it but if it's your master you know if you serve it you're always going to it's
• 47:16
  going to your heart's going to hurt you know and who was he said money's like manure it only works
• 47:22
  when it's spread around you've got to spread it so I don't know I like the fact that we pay money
• 47:27
  on this podcast on our episode we pay it lip service for a few minutes at the end because
• 47:33
  you know you get the other stuff right then you're going to be wealthy the real wealth we have
• 47:38
  is always in our relationships so most people listening to this are not going to
• 47:42
  survive a lot of the things that you've had to survive over your career but if you're going to give
• 47:47
  you have one last piece of wisdom or advice for somebody who's trying to survive life not
• 47:53
  not some remote jungle or mountain or anything like that but what is the thing because I know that
• 47:58
  you work with people in every part of society I mean you you've gone to prisons you've worked with
• 48:06
  billionaires actors what's the crisis that people are dealing with right now and what's sort of
• 48:13
  your wisdom on how to survive it well it's the same with whatever your arena is whether you're in
• 48:19
  a jungle or desert or boardroom or or single mom raising raising kids the rewards and the you
• 48:26
  know the the wins of life go to the dog in and the determined cast more than anything else that
• 48:32
  NGU never give up you know in here in here look at the great survival stories it's not the
• 48:39
  people who had the best knowledge or skills or you know we can all learn knowledge and gain skills
• 48:45
  you know the rewards in life go to the never give up as who those who just say never say die never
• 48:52
  give in you know it's it's a great thing about life is that this conquers everything you know and
• 48:58
  I think when we get a school we think that the rewards in life are going to go to the sportiest
• 49:04
  person because that's a guy that always got all the rewards at school or the rewards in life
• 49:09
  go to the clever guy because he got all the A grades but luckily when we hit life we realize very
• 49:14
  quickly the world's full of talented people who haven't achieved anything you know there's always
• 49:20
  a sportier or cleverer person that is not the currency of life the only currency of life
• 49:27
  is that doggy determination never give up never give in never say die you know and you got that
• 49:34
  it conquers everything and I love that because the other things are God given talents some people
• 49:40
  are good looking some people are clever some people are sporty it would be unfair in life if
• 49:45
  those are the measures of success but like God made us it is like it's actually what's going on
• 49:50
  inside and you can determine that you know you can build that never give up spirit by going for
• 49:56
  things by failing by getting back on your feet by putting a smile on your face when you know
• 50:01
  don't feel like it you know this is something you can build it's a muscle is he in a muscle
• 50:06
  and it's the most important one and I've seen it time and time again change lives change my life
• 50:12
  change people all around the world who kind of claw and fight because never give up his king