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Iowa Jogger Mollie Tibbets' Killer to Walk Free? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Just when you thought the Molly Tibbots case was done,
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  Speaker 1: the right guy has been convicted of murder. Murder of
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  Speaker 1: the gorgeous young Iowa co ed. He's gone away for life.
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  Speaker 1: We'll never hear another word of it. In the last
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  Speaker 1: hours a stunning bombshell. Six weeks after his guilty verdict,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Behain, Rivera's attorney says he deserves a new trial,
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  Speaker 1: and these core documents spell out why. The motion says
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  Speaker 1: new evidence came to light during the trial. That evidence
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  Speaker 1: is a state prison inmate who came forward claiming another
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  Speaker 1: inmate confessed at killing Molly Tibbots while the two men
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  Speaker 1: were both in jail. This witness inmate says he initially
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  Speaker 1: thought the confession was made up, but then saw Rivera's
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  Speaker 1: testimony and believed it was likely true. Or documents show
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  Speaker 1: the inmate who allegedly confessed said he was staying in
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  Speaker 1: a trap house owned by a fifty year old man
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  Speaker 1: involved in sex trafficking. He says he saw Molly Tibbots
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  Speaker 1: bound and gagged, and that the sex trafficker hatched a
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  Speaker 1: plan to kill her. The inmate claimed he and another
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  Speaker 1: person carried out that plan to stab Molly Tibbots and
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  Speaker 1: dump her body near a Hispanic mail in order to
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  Speaker 1: make it up here that the Hispanic mail committed the crime. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me just digest what I just heard. We are
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  Speaker 1: now looking at potential new murderers and the Molly Tibbots case,
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  Speaker 1: the case that just went to trial, the case where
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  Speaker 1: a Hispanic male Christian Behina Rivera was convicted of murder.
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  Speaker 1: Are we reopening the entire case? You were just hearing
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  Speaker 1: our friends at Kseci des Moine, and can I digest
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  Speaker 1: what I just heard? That Molly Tibbitts was actually kidnapped,
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  Speaker 1: held at a trap house, and then instead of being
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficked, which was the original plan, they decided, Nah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just kill her and then we'll go all the
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  Speaker 1: way back end up her body in a cornfield. This
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  Speaker 1: sounds a lot like the ransom note and the geomin
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  Speaker 1: a geomin A Ramsey case, where the kidnapper comes in,
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  Speaker 1: writes several ransom notes, not afraid at all of detection,
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  Speaker 1: then decides at the last minute, Nat, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: forget that plan. I'm just gonna kill the child and
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  Speaker 1: leave her here in the house. None of this is
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  Speaker 1: making sense. And with me to try and make sense
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  Speaker 1: of it all an all star panel. Jason Oceans Defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney joining me out of a New York, New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: throughout the Tri state area, Doctor Angela Arnold, renown psychiatrists,
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  Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. And Angela Arnold, MD,
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  Speaker 1: dot Com death Investigator, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, author
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  Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start of
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  Speaker 1: the Piketon Massacre on iHeartRadio, Justice Scott Morgan. But first,
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  Speaker 1: let's go straight out to Fox News national correspondent that
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  Speaker 1: broke the story regarding Molly Tibbitts, Matt finn Is with us. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just when you thought you could finally get
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  Speaker 1: a good night's rest, it's over, buddy. What's happening well, Nancy?
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  Speaker 1: We thought last Thursday was going to be a final
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  Speaker 1: chapter in this year's long case. I was told that
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tibbott's own mother was preparing to give a victim
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  Speaker 1: impact statement about the murder of her daughter, And in
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  Speaker 1: a last minute twist, instead of sentencing, Judge Joel Yates
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  Speaker 1: holds a hearing for these new Motions about a man
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  Speaker 1: who allegedly confess to killing Molly Tippitts Gavin Jones. The
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  Speaker 1: defense team presented its evidence or what it has happened,
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  Speaker 1: and then the state rebutted and said that there is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no truth to any of this, that this is
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  Speaker 1: a fishing expedition. And then on Friday, Judge joli Ate
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  Speaker 1: denied the defense's request that the prosecution has to comply
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  Speaker 1: with these motions for new evidence. The judge even wrote
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  Speaker 1: that it's a fishing expedition. He wrote, in part, the
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  Speaker 1: defense has produced no legal authority to support their new
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  Speaker 1: arguments of a Brady violation, that the state was allegedly
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  Speaker 1: whoa whoa, whoa whoa Wait a minute, hold on, man, listen.
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody listening today as a j the a jurs doctorate.
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  Speaker 1: Now slow down, you're saying. The judge said there was
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  Speaker 1: no evidence for Brady violation. What he's talking about is
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  Speaker 1: Brady versus Maryland, which says if there's any evidence that
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  Speaker 1: exists that the state knows about, they will exonerate the defendant,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Rivera. They have to hand it over. The judge said, no,
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  Speaker 1: the state didn't know about any of this, so that's out.
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  Speaker 1: He also referred to this as a fishing expedition. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about that. What I want to hear about
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  Speaker 1: with me, everybody taking a big break from the news
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  Speaker 1: today to join us is Fox News National correspondent Matt Finn. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: what is being claimed by the defense that Rivera is
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  Speaker 1: not the real killer? And that leads me to the question,
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  Speaker 1: who are the quote real killers? You know? Forget about
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  Speaker 1: John ben A Ramsay's case. Let's talk about the Oj
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  Speaker 1: Simpson case. It's been claimed he's not the real killer,
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  Speaker 1: that it's his son, that it's drug lords, that it's
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  Speaker 1: just the host of pot pourri of real killers. Who
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  Speaker 1: are the real killers? In Molly's case, the defense claims
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  Speaker 1: an inmate named Gavin Jones confessed to another man that
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  Speaker 1: he killed Molly Tipbots. Gavin Jones said that Molly Tippots
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  Speaker 1: ended up in a sex trafficking ring and that when
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  Speaker 1: the case got too hot, the investigation got too close,
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  Speaker 1: that he and another man named Dalton Hanson decided to
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  Speaker 1: kill Molly Tibbots. So wait, wait, wait, wait, let me
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  Speaker 1: digest what you're saying. It's like drink from the fire
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  Speaker 1: hijant with you, Matt Fan too much information too fast.
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  Speaker 1: Let's break it down. Okay, So you're saying that an
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  Speaker 1: inmate behind bars says Rivera did not kill Molly Tibbots,
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  Speaker 1: that in fact, she was kidnapped by a sex trafficking
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  Speaker 1: rain held in a trap house, and then when the
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  Speaker 1: investigation became too intense, instead of her moving her to
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  Speaker 1: where she was going to be sex trafficked, they killed
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  Speaker 1: her and went basically back to the scene where she
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  Speaker 1: had been jogging, planted her body and implicated Christian Rivera.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the story? That is the story? And it
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  Speaker 1: goes against Rivera's first confession when he was being questioned
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  Speaker 1: by police. It goes against his testimony on the stand
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  Speaker 1: during the trial. So this is now kind of a
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  Speaker 1: third version. Who are these two defense Apparently there are
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  Speaker 1: two people behind bars that are claiming it's Arnie Mackie
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  Speaker 1: told investigators that a fellow inmate, Gavin Jones, it claimed responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right, yes? And the Associated Press reports they
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  Speaker 1: got in touch with both Gavin Jones and Hanson, This
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  Speaker 1: gentleman named Balton Hanson, who allegedly helped Gavin Jones they
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  Speaker 1: now deny killing Tibots, and Jone said he hasn't alified. Well,
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  Speaker 1: hold on to Jason Ocean's New York defense attorney. Of
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  Speaker 1: course they're denying it. Now, what do you think they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna go, Oh, yeah, I murdered Molly Thimots, because that's
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  Speaker 1: setting themselves up for the death penalty. Nancy, this entire
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  Speaker 1: narrative sounds just farcical, just at each angle. It just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be Just reminded me of what I
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  Speaker 1: love about defense attorneys. This entire higher narrative sounds farcical.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, it's bs. Why don't you just say
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  Speaker 1: it all it is? It's complete crap crap crap pola.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's a last ditch effort. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I would never say that defense counsel concocted it, because
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, perjurious. But by the same token, defense
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  Speaker 1: counsel is required to explore every angle that they possibly can. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if one of these guys said is behind ours, the
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  Speaker 1: defense has got to explore it. But to be granted
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  Speaker 1: a new trial based on newly discovered evidence, that evidence
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  Speaker 1: has to not exist at the time of the first trial,
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  Speaker 1: not be discoverable. I don't know if this is discoverable
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  Speaker 1: or not at the time of trial. Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. We are talking about a beautiful on the
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  Speaker 1: inside and out Iowa co ed who went out jogging
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  Speaker 1: has never seen alive again, Molly Tibbots. Now, as you
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  Speaker 1: all know, there was a conviction in the case. Christian Rivera,
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  Speaker 1: a Mexican worker at a farm nearby. He had been
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  Speaker 1: in the States for many years illegally, I believe, and
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  Speaker 1: long story short, he admits to planting her body in
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  Speaker 1: the cornfield. He admits that he began following her when
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  Speaker 1: she threatened to call police as she was jogging. He
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  Speaker 1: got mad at her, blacked out, and then found her
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  Speaker 1: dead body in the trunk. Now, hold on just a moment.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at ABC Alex Perez, the search for missing Molly Tibbots
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  Speaker 1: has come to a tragic end today. A body was
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  Speaker 1: discovered early this morning in a farm field southeast a
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  Speaker 1: brick in Iowa. We believe it to be the body
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  Speaker 1: of Molly Tippots. She was found in a corn field
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  Speaker 1: and there were cornstocks placed over the top of her.
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  Speaker 1: And tonight a suspect in custody twenty four year old
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  Speaker 1: Christian Rivera. Police a Rivera led them to her body
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  Speaker 1: this morning and confess to her murder. The case will
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  Speaker 1: be prosecuted by the Iowa Attorney General General's Area Prosecution Division,
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  Speaker 1: and first degree murder carries a penalty of life without
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of parole. According to authorities, Rivera encountered Molly
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  Speaker 1: Tippots near the intersection of Boundary and Middle Streets in
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  Speaker 1: eastern Brooklyn while she was out Johnkie. He actually tells
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  Speaker 1: us that he ran alongside of her or behind her,
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  Speaker 1: and then at one point he tells us that Molly
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  Speaker 1: grabbed a hold of her phone and said, you need
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  Speaker 1: to leave me alone. I'm going to call the police,
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  Speaker 1: and then she took off running. He in turn chased
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  Speaker 1: her down. According to authorities, Rivera then panicked and got mad.
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  Speaker 1: He tells us that at some point in time he
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  Speaker 1: blacks out, and then he comes to near an intersection.
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  Speaker 1: Rivera told police he then drove to a cornfield and Guernsey,
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  Speaker 1: where he dragged Tipbots on foot for twenty meters and
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  Speaker 1: left her face up and covered in corn leaves. No
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  Speaker 1: one has said this was a sexually driven crime, but
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  Speaker 1: it certainly fits the pattern of dozens and dozens of
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  Speaker 1: sexual predator attack type crimes. Authorities saying autopsy is being
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  Speaker 1: done and have not yet released a cause of death.
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  Speaker 1: Rivera has been charged with first degree murder, and at
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  Speaker 1: the end, when it was all said and done, this
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  Speaker 1: is what happens in court at this time, mister Hina,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask that you rise along with your
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  Speaker 1: attorney's police, and I would ask that the court attendant
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  Speaker 1: read the jury's verdict. We the jury find the defendant,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Behina Rivera, guilty of the crime of murder in
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  Speaker 1: the first degree. Joining met Matt fan Plots, News national
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  Speaker 1: correspondent who's been on the story from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: That backs up what you were saying at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Finn that this new allegation by his own defense
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  Speaker 1: attorneys contradicts what he the defendant, told police at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: How does it contradict, Well, you know, when Rivera gave
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  Speaker 1: his shocking testimony, he basically said that the entire incident
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  Speaker 1: happened in one false two that he was at home
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  Speaker 1: in the shower, got out of the shower. These mass
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  Speaker 1: men are men appeared in his home. They forced him
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  Speaker 1: to drive over to Brooklyn, Iowa, where he said these
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  Speaker 1: two men killed Molly Tippots. Then they forced him to
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  Speaker 1: drive to the corn field, where he says the two
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  Speaker 1: men dumped her body and then threatened to to harm
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  Speaker 1: Rivera's daughter and his ex girlfriend if he ever confessed
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  Speaker 1: to anything. So basically, it all happened in a matter
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  Speaker 1: of hours. So now you open up this possibility of
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tipots being alive for days or weeks, being held
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  Speaker 1: in the sex trafficking ring. None of that was ever
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  Speaker 1: presented in courts. Nancy, Well, let's go to our cut
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  Speaker 1: thirty five. Jack. This is Angia Fuji at ABC News
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  Speaker 1: backing up what Matt finn is saying. Listen. He testified
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  Speaker 1: that on the day the twenty year old was killed,
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  Speaker 1: he got out of the shower to find two strangers
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  Speaker 1: in his living room. Behina Rivera, who speaks little English,
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  Speaker 1: says the men wanted him to drive them in his car,
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  Speaker 1: one man armed with a gun, the other with a knife.
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  Speaker 1: Lazia Matt that I shouldn't do anything stupid and everything
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  Speaker 1: was going to be okay. As they drove, Behina Rivera says,
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  Speaker 1: they passed Tibbets running three to four times. He claims.
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  Speaker 1: The men then asked him to turn the car around,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the men got out, heading towards Tibbets,
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  Speaker 1: disappearing for about twelve minutes. Behina Rivera testified that something
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  Speaker 1: was later put inside the trunk of the car. He
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  Speaker 1: says he then drove the men to a house next
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  Speaker 1: to a cornfield and was told that if he called police,
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  Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend and daughter would be hurt, because I
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  Speaker 1: remember that they said that if I will say something,
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  Speaker 1: they were going to do something to my family, my
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  Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, my daughter. But Hanter Rivera testified that once
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  Speaker 1: the men were gone, he opened the trunk and found
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  Speaker 1: Tibbots dead. He says he put her body in the
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  Speaker 1: cornfield and decided not to tell police out of fear.
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  Speaker 1: Okay back Gee Matt fann Fox Mus National correspondent Matt
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  Speaker 1: finn You said the news story about the real killers
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  Speaker 1: is not consistent with what Rivera told Cootson he was
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  Speaker 1: first arrested. But it's also not consistent with what he
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  Speaker 1: said at trial because at trial under oath, Rivera foolishly
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  Speaker 1: takes a stand and says he saw these two guys,
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  Speaker 1: unknown guys standing in his home. When he gets out
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  Speaker 1: of the shower, they forced him into the car. They
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  Speaker 1: then all together see Molly Tibbots jogging, and then the
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  Speaker 1: next thing he remembers is she's put in the cornfield.
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  Speaker 1: That's entirely different than the news story that she was
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  Speaker 1: held in a trap house. She was abductive for sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: They killed her and then framed him and got him
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  Speaker 1: to put her in the cornfield. Do I have that right?
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  Speaker 1: Or there are three stories now, Matt, Yes, there are
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  Speaker 1: three versions now. And Rivera's attorneys claimed that from the
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  Speaker 1: beginning he gave them the same story about these two
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  Speaker 1: mass minute. That story never changed. So now we have
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  Speaker 1: this third version to consider as well. Nancy, Okay, let
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  Speaker 1: me go straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator,
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  Speaker 1: professor forensics. Let's just take the story this being told now,
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  Speaker 1: the new story about the real killers that have bragged
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. Okay that they killed Molly Tibbots. Number one
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  Speaker 1: one says I had an alibi. I bet that alibi
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  Speaker 1: was they were both sitting in jail at the time
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots was killed. All right, Number one, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: throwing that out there. I haven't looked at their jail record,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm just guessing they were somewhere that would have
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  Speaker 1: made it impossible for them to kill Molly Tippitts. But
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, let's talk about your field. How can we
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  Speaker 1: look at Molly tibbets body at the time it was
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  Speaker 1: found and disprove this new story. I think that it's
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  Speaker 1: very simple, Nancy, because you know, if you begin to
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  Speaker 1: match up the timeline with what they're talking about, her
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  Speaker 1: body was in an advanced state of decomposition. You now
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  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. He's trying to He's trying
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  Speaker 1: to dilute this idea that she had been down as
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  Speaker 1: long as she had been Nancy, she had been essentially
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  Speaker 1: forgive me for saying this, but decomposing in this hot
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  Speaker 1: Iowa cornfield, and not just not just decomposing, but she
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  Speaker 1: had leaves pile on top of her. So you've got
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  Speaker 1: all these other scientific elements that are going along with this.
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  Speaker 1: What he's saying is that she was You said it
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  Speaker 1: was simple, and you're talking, well, no, it is kind
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  Speaker 1: of simple and easy. People all people everywhere understand decay.
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  Speaker 1: And so what he's trying to say is that she
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  Speaker 1: was actually alive for a protracted period of time that
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  Speaker 1: she was being held in this house that she had
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  Speaker 1: been You know, there's certain accounts, you know, where they're
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  Speaker 1: saying that she was bound in a trap house, a
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  Speaker 1: trap house Nancy, on the edge of a cornfield in Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 1: Little Brooklyn, Iowa. You know, places got a population of
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  Speaker 1: one thousand and seven hundred and three people. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: trap house is what we used to call a crack house.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that they're not saying he's not just
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  Speaker 1: saying that there's one trap house. There are multiple trap
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  Speaker 1: houses in this little town. You're telling me that no
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  Speaker 1: one around there knows about these places. Give me a break,
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  Speaker 1: and that out of this is a geographic anomaly. Not
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  Speaker 1: only that, you've got sex traffickers that are operating in
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  Speaker 1: this town of you know, seventeen hundred people, and they're
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  Speaker 1: holding on to bodies there, They're holding on to people
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  Speaker 1: and the g men are closing in. So they decided
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  Speaker 1: to pull out the knives. And what what kind of
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  Speaker 1: professional sex trafficker would would actually this was butchery, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: She was absolutely butchered. If she was stabbed multiple just
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  Speaker 1: cut her throat, they would have shot her in the
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  Speaker 1: head and been down with it. That's what exactly it
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  Speaker 1: would have the story. You would not see a multiple
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  Speaker 1: stabbing just to get rid of somebody. They would not
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  Speaker 1: have gone to all that trouble crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Guys were talking about a huge, huge wrench in the
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  Speaker 1: works fly in the ointment. They're analyzing the rub the
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  Speaker 1: conviction of Christian Rivera and the brutal murder of job
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  Speaker 1: or Molly Tibbots could be reversed based on new evidence.
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  Speaker 1: What new evidence? Take a listen to our cut thirty
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  Speaker 1: six Hannah Adamson casey nine. We begin tonight in Powasheet County, Iowa,
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  Speaker 1: where two men identified by Christian Rivera's defense lawyers as
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  Speaker 1: potential suspects in the killing of Molly Tibbots say they
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  Speaker 1: are innocent. Christian Bahina Rivera was convicted in May of
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  Speaker 1: murdering the University of Iowa student in July twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: His defense lawyers say two men, Gavin Jones and Dalton Hanson,
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  Speaker 1: were possibly responsible for her death in court filings this week.
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  Speaker 1: At a hearing Thursday, an inmate came forward claiming Jones
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  Speaker 1: told him he and Hanson killed Tibbots after she was
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped and held at a home used for sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: Jones and Hanson say they have not yet spoken with investigators,
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  Speaker 1: but are hopeful to clear their names. Rivera will be
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  Speaker 1: back in court July twenty seventh for a hearing on
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  Speaker 1: his request for a new trial. Oh, I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to hear this now. For more information on that very point,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to Michael Shore at News Nation Now.
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  Speaker 1: It was in a trap house allegedly run by fifty
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  Speaker 1: year old James Lowe and new Sharon Iowa that inmate
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Jones says he saw Molly Tibbots bound and gagged,
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  Speaker 1: and a new motion filed by the defense prosecutors pushed back,
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  Speaker 1: we resist providing anything that they're asking for. There is
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  Speaker 1: no discovery post trial. I understand the discovery rules apply
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: pre trial and apply post trial. The Constitution applies all
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the time, and tomorrow it has expected that Judge Yates
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: will apply his rule and rob You know, here's what's interesting,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It's there are a lot of players in this now,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and if this evidence go forward, it goes forward. Gavin
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Jones is the inmate, and he apparently told not just
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the person who shared a cell with him, but also
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend that he killed Molly Tibbots and his girlfriend
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: was involved with James Lowe who had that traphouse in Iowa.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Man is getting really confusing. And you know why it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: getting really confusing out to you, Matt Finn, because I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: don't think it's true. And the more you elaborate this lie,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the more difficult it will be to prove it. And
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the judge row in his own ruling on Friday that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: there's no nexus to Molly Tibbett's case and this sex
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: trafficking ring. And you know you've heard the states that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that this is just a fishing expedition. Emcy, Well, you
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: know I've said that a million times myself, fishing expedition,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: which it usually is. But I do agree with the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: defense in one point. The Constitution demands discovery pre trial.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: In other words, you've basically got to hand everything over
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to the defense and then they'll take all your evidence
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and spend their time trying to shred it. That's what
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: happens at trial. Now, the defense says the duty to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: hand over evidence should exist post trial, not under brad
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: of the Maryland, but under the Constitution, and with that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I agree, if the prosecutor gets information the defendant is innocent,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: hand it over, go for the right guy. I don't
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: know that they really have that information or if this
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: is something cooked up by the defense or by the defendant.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Take a listen again to our friends at ABCR cut
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: thirty four this morning A courtroom bombshell and the murder
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: trial of Molly Tibbots, the man accused of killing the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: University of Iowa college student in twenty eighteen, says he
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: didn't do it. Instead, Christian Bahana Rivera claims he was
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: kidnapped and forced to drive two masked men, and one
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: of them killed Tibbots, whose body was found in a cornfield.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: On day sixth of the trial, The twenty six year
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: old Mexican national took the stand in his own defense,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: recounting this never before heard theory. Did you tell a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: law enforcement the truth that night? That definitely true, Not
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: for them, not all. Matt Finn. How feasible is this
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: story that he, the defendant, Revera, is in his shower.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I believe he shares a home. Nobody else saw these guys.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: They just magically appear in his den when he gets
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: out of the shower. There they are. They force him
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to drive his car while they identify this girl. And
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: he's caught on video his vehicle with distinctive paint markings.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I ate scratches along the side, going back and forth
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and back and forth, forward, reverse, forward, reverse, as Molly's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: running along. It's on video that really there are these
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: two other guys in the car. They kill her, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: then they deposit her body in a cornfield, and then
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: they disappear, tell him to drive away and he does.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: That doesn't jive with his story that he found her
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in his trunk and got rid of her body. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't jive with his story now, but the feasibility
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: of his story, let's talk about the one at trial.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: How believable is that. Well, I was on the ground
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: for weeks in Iowa during the manhunt, and you know
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that entire region was so heavily analyzed and scrutinized. You know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: ultimately it was surveillance thing that cracked the case. That
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you revealed Christian Rivera's black Malibu on video circling Molly Tippics.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And so one question I asked myself was if these
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: two mass men were walking around that area. If they
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: were in that vicinity at any point, they likely would
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: have showed up on video somewhere or someone would have said, yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I saw two unusual men walking on the side of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the road. It's a very rural area. There's not a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: lot of foot traffic. So if there were these two
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: men anywhere in that area, I think someone would have
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: spotted them, or we may have even seen them on camera,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: just like we saw Christian Rivera's card. Ultimate The statesful
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the jury that these two men are figments of Christian
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Rivera's imagination of The defense claims this was his story
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: from day one. Nancy, Okay, So, who is this jail
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: house informant that is claiming he overheard Molly Tibbot's real killer.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Laura Terrell at KCCI des Moines.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Our cut thirty ordered Mountpleasant inmate Arnie Maki to testify
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: at a hearing Thursday. It's unclear if he's who confessed
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: or who witnessed it. Maki is said to be released
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: later this year after serving time for punching his girlfriend
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Denner Child in the face. Well yes or no. Rivera's attorneys,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: who declined an interview Monday also claimed that a second,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: then separate source came forward accusing the same inmate of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: killing Tibbots. This person showed up to the How Is
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: She County Sheriff's Office on May twenty sixth and told
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: deputies that the month before, the man held a gun
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to their head and said that Xican shouldn't be in
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: jail for killing Molly Tibbots because I raped her and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: killed her. Okay, isn't it true? Matt Van Fox News
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: National correspondent joining us that the snitch behind bars also
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: says that there's a girlfriend involved, who Lindsay Marie Voss,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: who states that her ex admitted to killing Tibbots a
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: month earlier. Yes, that is true. She said that he
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: had told her that in a car. Her name is
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Lindsey Voss. Have we seen Lindsay Voss? Has she appeared yet?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I have not seen her, spoke to her. Does she exist?
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: We'll have to find out. I don't like what you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: just said because it seems to me if this were
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a real witness, there would be a warrant for her,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a witness warrant, a material witness warrant today and she
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: would be found and picked up and brought to the courthouse.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: That's how that works. Believe me, I've learned it the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: hard way. When witnesses don't want to come to court,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you have to make them come to court. And if
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: they don't want to testify under oath and tell the truth,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they can go sit in the county jail under a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: contempt order until they decide they do want to testify.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: That's how that works. So I'm wondering, is she real?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Is this girlfriend real? Have we seen her? Do we
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: know she exists? Has she been brought to court? More
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: questions than answers right now. In the case of Molly
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Tibbets Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we thought it was
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: all sewn up and put away. No it's not, because
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in the last days a snitch out of the jail
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: says somebody else confessed to murdering Molly, not the guy
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that was convicted. I want to go to doctor Angela Arnold,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta. You can find her
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Can you even imagine,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: doctor Angie, what this is doing to Molly's family? No,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, I'm sure it's doing the same. I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sure it's doing something similar to all of us to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: have to hear the descriptions of what that little girl
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: went through. So now we have we all, particularly their family,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: they have to relive this all over again. And there
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: are to me, there are so many holes in everything
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that the accused that the convicted killer says. I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: first he blacked out. Remember how how long we question
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that that he had blacked out? And I don't understand
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: why if somebody finds a dead body in the back
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of their car, why they don't immediately go to the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: police station if they're not the ones that killed that person. Well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and remember our doctor Angie with me, doctor Angela Arnold,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: renowned psychiogrist, hointing us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And I've seen this in many defendants and witnesses. They
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: turned their head, they look away, they black out at
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the critical moment. They can tell you everything leading up
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to the shooting or stabbing, and then everything within seconds
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: after the shooting or stabbing. But that critical moment here
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: he remembers following her in his car, he remembers her
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: threatening into car police. He then blacks out and then
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: kind of wakes up and realizes, Oh, there's a dead
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: body in my trunk. Let me go throw her in
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: a cornfield. That's pretty convenient to have that blackout at
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: exactly the moment Molly's murdered. And I don't understand why
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: these two people weren't brought up at his original trial
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: if they were riding around in the car with him,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, was very manipulative. Well he didn't he say
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: at trial, Matt Finn that these two guys that appeared
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in his living room were in the car with him. Yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he said that they instructed him to get into his car.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: They basically wanted to use his car, was kind of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: his version. And they were in the car with him,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and they said he claimed that he never spoke out
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: or initially tull police the truth because they threatened to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: harm his daughter and his ex girlfriend. And I do
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: want to see real quick, Nancy. The defense team tells
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: me that they are considering asking Lindsay Voss for a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: written aff to David, So we'll have to see considering
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they better drag miss Voss to court and put her
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: under oath a written aff, and David, oh h e
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: w l n oh if I were the prosecutor. In
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that case, I'd say, no, this is not the quote
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: highest and best evidence, which is a legal objection. As
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you'll back me up on that, Jason Oceans, the highest
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and best evidence will be Lindsay Voss herself on the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: stand under so I can cross examine her because wait
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a minute, but isn't that true, Jason Oceans, you gotta
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: have the highest and best evidence. No, of course, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I think certainly that is it? Or is it? Of course? Well,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you know an anti certainly you want to have the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: highest and best evidence. Absolutely, yes you do. And no, no, no, no,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we're not settling for an affidavit. Obviously, on the defense side,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: if I want to convince the judge, I'm going to producer,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and certainly from the prosecution's desire to find out if
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the truth has been proffered or if there's perjury, whatever
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: there might be, prosecution is going to want that. In
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the same vein, I'm curious, just got Morgan about these
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: other two now killers. If they were in his car,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: as Matt finn Is telling us he testified at trial,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't their prints be in his car or any of
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: their prints picked up in the car? Yeah? Exactly you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Edmund Lecard. It goes back over a hundred years. Every
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: contact leaves a trace, Nancy, not only are you talking
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: about one person, now you're talking about two people. So
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: we're not only going to have possibly latent prints that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: are there that are left behind by these individuals. We
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: might have touched DNA that's left behind, we might have
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: some of their hair this left behind. And we're not
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: talking about just some kind of passive activity. We're talking
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: about two individuals that are engaged, engaged in what amounts
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to a kidnapping of RIVERA. Okay, so this is a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: forceful event. You're going to have a lot of contact,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: manipulation things that are going on. So you're going to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: leave physical evidence behind within this environment environment and I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: can guarantee you this. The individuals that looked at this car,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the forensics people. They went over with
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a fine tooth. Come, where's the evidence. I haven't heard
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: about anything. Now. Write to Matt Finn, Fox News National correspondent.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Matt again, thank you for being with us this Lindsay Voss,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Marie Voss that I keep screaming about and needs
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to be brought to court and put under oath. Apparently
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: she did tell investigators, so she does exist that she
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: had been in a car with Jones the quote real
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: killer when he points a gun to her head and says,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: quote the Mexicans shouldn't be in jail for killing Molly
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Tibbots because I raped and killed her. Now, let's just
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: talk about that for a moment. We know that there
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: are court documents indicating Voss was given a restraining order
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: against Jones on June eleven. The defense is also trying
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to link the disappearance of a little eleven year old boy,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Xavier Harrelson in the area to the real Killers. I mean,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Matt Finn what a big miss. Yeah, the defense tells
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: me that Gavin Jones has a long violent history. And
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: then also in court Thursday, you know, the state said
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: that the fact that the defense is even bringing up
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: this missing boy, which is an active case, was immaterial.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It was irrelevant because that's still an active investigation. We
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: don't know the outcome of that. And the judge wrote
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: when his rulings, there is no nexus to that. You know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a buge sex trafficking ring and that missing boy and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Molly Tibots. Nancy you know, Jess got Morgan of a
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: fact which I completely oppose, and that is in a
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: small town, there's no sex trafficking. Surprise, even in my
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: little hometown of Making the surrounding area, you get to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the massage parlors and the nailed salons, you will find
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that people in the massage parlors, many of them are
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: being forced to work. And that was also under uncovered
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: in the Atlanta shootings of various massage parlors where people
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: were brought here to this country forced to work, people
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: sex trafficked as well. I mean, it just it can
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: happen anywhere. But I do agree with him and that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that there are that
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: many sex trafficking rings in this one small town. But
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Matt Finn interesting. The defense noted that the quote real
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: killer Lowe had been accused of running a sex trafficking
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: ring out of a home back in I think it
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: was May of twenty eighteen. Yeah, and anything's possible. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: just think that so far this new story doesn't add
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: up or coincide with any of the other former versions
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: of testimony from Christian Rivera. And you know, we've been
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: talking about the Tibet's family. You know, throughout the trial
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they were telling me they were so satisfied with the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: prosecution and ultimately the guilty version because quote Christian Rivera
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: could never hurt anyone again. So as we've been discussing,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you can imagine that this is all being dragged back
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: up in the family. It's just got to feel immense
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: grief that, you know, Rivera's not being sentenced. The information
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: about the prior allegations of a sex trafficking ring against
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: this one guy are going to surface again in the courtroom.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Where do we stand right now? Take a listen to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: our cut thirty two. This is our friends at News
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Nation Now. The Iowa judge presiding over the sentencing of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the men convicted in the twenty eighteen kidnapping and murder
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of University of Iowa student Molly Tibbets says he will
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: decide by week's end on a defense motion to introduce
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: new evidence. I do anticipate that by week's end I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: will have a ruling one way the other telling you
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: what we are going to do. The proceedings rocked this
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: week by revelations of potentially exculpatory evidence ahead of the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: sentencing of Christiane be Hannah Rivera had the information for
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: two years prior to trial. They sat on information. Defense
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: attorney Chad Free saying that the out of court testimony
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of a former inmate and that of another woman saying
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: she too was trafficked from Brooklyn, Iowa, two months prior
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to Molly Tibbot's abduction from the same town, needs to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: be heard. She's picked up by a state trooper, an
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Iowa state trooper, who then she relays this horrific story
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of sex trafficking. In this it's a trap house, brothel,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: drug house. Trap Houses are homes rented for the purpose
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of selling and distributing drugs and used also for sex trafficking.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: The reality is, Matt Finn, Fox News National Correspondent, all
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: of that may very well be true, that there is
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a sex trafficking ring and that this guy Lowe was
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: accused of sex trafficking in the past. But the reality
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: is this story does not jive, does not coincide, does
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: not fit with anything the defendant himself said happened in
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: any of his previous stories. That's right, And you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we were also discussing Molly Tivot's decomposed body we saw
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: some of those gruesome pictures and unfortunately her course was
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: almost unrecognizable. So this new version doesn't align with the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: claim that she was alive and being tortured in a
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: house somewhere for some time. And the judge, you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: pretty much agreed in the statement he said that I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: can't find an exus to the allegation of a sex
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: trafficking ring in Mollatibt's death. I came up jos Scott
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Morgan regarding the period of decomposition of Molly's body. Doesn't
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: make this news story impossible, Yeah, it does, Nancy. She
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: had been down probably immediately, and it's really hard, you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: folks out there think that we can actually actually give
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you an exact date and time of death. However, with
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: brackets around this, we can frame it to say that, no,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: she once she disappeared, she wasn't alive. She wasn't alive
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: for say a week or two weeks or three weeks
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: after she had last disappeared. She had been down for
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a protracted period of time that would fit within that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: time frame of when she was last seen alive. Nancy,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: this is very critical, jo Scott Morgan, and let me
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: go back. I've already cited two previous cases. Let me
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: cite the Scott Peterson case. The theory that Lacy Peterson
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: was kidnapped by someone that wanted a baby and held
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: hostage for weeks and then the baby Connor was cut
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: out of her stomach. No, because baby Connor emerged from
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: her stomach after her body degenerated in the water, and
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: he Connor was pristine like a little baby dog. So
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that whole story was disproven by the facts surrounding the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: decomposition of Lacy's body. And I believe that will be
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the single strongest element in this scenario to disprove the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: new theory. We wait as justice unfolds. God willing Nancy
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Grace's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,