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Joe Rogan Experience #2358 - Chadd Wright · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Joe Roman Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out.
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  Speaker 1: But Joe Regan Experience Trained by Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan Podcast by Day, all day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do too. Man. I chewed tobacco pretty much
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  Speaker 1: since I was about thirteen years old. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: as you get older, you start to try to optimize
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  Speaker 1: everything because the world tells you everything's going to kill you.
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  Speaker 3: Is chewing, we're going to kill you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've.
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  Speaker 3: Read people getting mouth cancer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the main thing, is mouth cancer, and its
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  Speaker 1: mouth cancer is pretty nasty. For all forms of cancer
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  Speaker 1: are pretty nasty, but mouth cancer can really screw you up.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's the uh, the you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the chemicals that they spray on the tobacco when they're
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  Speaker 1: growing the tobacco. So I don't know, maybe if you
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  Speaker 1: grew tobacco organic and then you chewed it, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: give you mouth cancer.
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  Speaker 3: Probably makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was just reading something that one hundred percent
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  Speaker 3: of California wines that they tested had glyphosate on them.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it, which is just nuts. You know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that stuff is everywhere. I mean, it's never going to
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere because you know, when I was in the Navy,
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  Speaker 1: I lived in Virginia and we moved out to a
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  Speaker 1: rural community and they grew corn and soybeans primarily in
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  Speaker 1: the fields, and nothing else would grow in that dirt.
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  Speaker 1: Like you could walk the rows of those crops, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and there would not be a single weed growing in
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  Speaker 1: the field. Nothing would grow except for the genetically modified
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  Speaker 1: seed or whatever they put out there, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? And how long does that stay in the soil?
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  Speaker 1: Like does that ever come? Can you ever get that
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  Speaker 1: out of the dirt so that other things could or
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  Speaker 1: would actually thrive there?
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  Speaker 3: Again?
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  Speaker 1: I guess after many many years you could.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's many many years. I had Will Harris from
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  Speaker 3: He's from Georgia, White Oak's Pastures. You ever heard of
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  Speaker 3: that guy?
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  Speaker 1: I actually listened to that episode that you did with him, Lamb,
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  Speaker 1: because I've ordered a pile of meat from them. He's great,
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  Speaker 1: he is. That was a great episode, and.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great episode to educate people on like how
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  Speaker 3: much time it takes to take an industrial farm and
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  Speaker 3: convert it to regenerative agriculture. It's not easy. It's a
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  Speaker 3: long grind, super costly, not nearly as profitable, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: he did it over a course of twenty years. And
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  Speaker 3: we have two jars of soil out there that he
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  Speaker 3: gave us, and one of them is a soil from
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  Speaker 3: his neighbor's farm, which is an industrial farm, and the
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  Speaker 3: other one is his, and his is like a dark brown, rich,
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  Speaker 3: alive soil, and the one from his neighbor's farm is
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  Speaker 3: just pale and dead and they have to spray shit
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  Speaker 3: all over it and use industrial fertilizer.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's ugly, man.
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  Speaker 3: And then it's gotten so far that like to turn
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  Speaker 3: it around and try to feed all the people that
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  Speaker 3: we have established here in this country in places where
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  Speaker 3: nobody's growing food, it's like it's almost impossible. It's almost
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  Speaker 3: like they're stuck with this system of industrialized farming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's being here in Austin. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't go to the city much. I live on
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred acres in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains
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  Speaker 1: and I come here to the city and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you see the result of packing so many human beings
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  Speaker 1: into one area. Yeah, how you're gonna feed them people?
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  Speaker 1: Other than the way that we've figured out how to
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  Speaker 1: do it. I mean, how you gonna feed them? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Man, walking around the city. Man, it's just
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  Speaker 1: coming from where I live. And don't take this as negative.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people love cities. There's cool stuff in cities,
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  Speaker 1: right Like people get a lot. But me when I
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  Speaker 1: come from where I live, you know, dude, where I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the woods every day for hours and hours. I
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  Speaker 1: don't go to town hardly ever. I'm a squirrel hunter.
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  Speaker 1: I have a little mountain curve and you know, we
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  Speaker 1: go out and squirrel hunt for hours every day. And
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  Speaker 1: but coming too the cities, like the air burns my
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  Speaker 1: nose is like I've been coughing all day today.
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  Speaker 3: You really notice it.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed. I can smell it. It smells now we're
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  Speaker 1: staying right in downtown. The smell reminds me slightly of Legos, Nigeria,
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  Speaker 1: which it's one hundred x in Legos. It's it literally
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  Speaker 1: burns your eyes and your nose to breathe the air there.
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  Speaker 1: But even in Austin, I can kind of smell this sour,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And then I'm looking at these poor people, man,
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  Speaker 1: like these people laying on these park benches and all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff, and I'm like it just may it makes
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  Speaker 1: you think. It makes you wonder the human's propensity to eat,
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  Speaker 1: to stoop law than an animal, Like we have the
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  Speaker 1: propensity as human to stoop lower than an animal in
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  Speaker 1: the worst case scenario, in the worst case scenarios. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I understand. There's so much that goes along
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  Speaker 1: with the story that those all the all of those
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  Speaker 1: people have. And it was funny. I saw a lady
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  Speaker 1: sitting on at the edge of the sidewalk today. She
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  Speaker 1: was smoking crack or something, and uh, now, my wife's
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  Speaker 1: in recovery. And I said, it's it's just mind boggling
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  Speaker 1: to me, me being a man of the country, to
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  Speaker 1: see the human's propensity to stoop that low. And she
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  Speaker 1: looked at me and she said, well, I've done it.
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  Speaker 3: I said, that's good man.
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  Speaker 1: My woman is so good. Brother. She she came out
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  Speaker 1: of it right, I mean, by the grace of God.
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  Speaker 3: But well, I'm glad you didn't come visit us in LA.
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  Speaker 1: I would have showed you some real I went to
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  Speaker 1: l A one time when Buddy Jesse Itchler, he took
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  Speaker 1: me out there when all this stuff started. I got
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  Speaker 1: out of the navy, he said, Chad and he said,
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  Speaker 1: he asked me to come coaching teach him how to
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  Speaker 1: run a long ways And I said, oh, I come
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  Speaker 1: out there, and me and Jesse became fast friends. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you out here to La. He said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you on a few of these interviews
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  Speaker 1: with these people. He said, but I want you to
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  Speaker 1: realize that if you decide to do this, your life
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  Speaker 1: will never be the same. And I said, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's go.
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  Speaker 3: You mean let's do a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well Jesse is an interesting guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of my he's one of my biggest mentors.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of he's a close friend.
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  Speaker 3: I liked that dude a lot. I had him on
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  Speaker 3: Yeah Joy talking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love him to death.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: But he uh yeah. He took me out there and
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  Speaker 1: and LA was, uh yeah. It put me back really
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  Speaker 1: that some of the places that we went were very
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  Speaker 1: similar to some of the areas that we deployed to,
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  Speaker 1: just in the smell and the sights and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the way people were living. It was wow.
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  Speaker 3: Man, it's a chaotic environment and you get used to anything,
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  Speaker 3: and people that live there get used to it. They
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  Speaker 3: don't know what real piece is like, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: when I would tell people why, like mountain hunting, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, man, it's like a vitamin that you didn't
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  Speaker 3: know you needed. You get out in there in the
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  Speaker 3: mountains and you smell that clean air and you just
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  Speaker 3: feel it. Just your whole body just goes, Oh, this
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  Speaker 3: is so much better, because it is so much better
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  Speaker 3: to live like this. It is. I just don't get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to do it that often. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't live in it like you do. Living in it
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  Speaker 3: is the ultimate. You know. If you could live in
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  Speaker 3: it and then go visit other places, that's way better
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  Speaker 3: to live in nature.
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  Speaker 1: The noise too, the noise. I don't think that people
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  Speaker 1: who live in the city they've become acclimated to all
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  Speaker 1: of the constant noise. Yeah, it's never quiet. But when
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  Speaker 1: I enter into that environment like that noise is doing,
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  Speaker 1: it does something to me, like the traffic and the
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  Speaker 1: constant hum and it just I feel like I begin
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  Speaker 1: to hold this tension within me. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it's doing to me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I'm sensory overload.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can become accustomed to it.
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  Speaker 3: Well. People in New York City have to become accustomed
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  Speaker 3: to it and they actually like it. They like that
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  Speaker 3: feeling of sensory overload. But everybody that I know that
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  Speaker 3: likes that is fairly unhealthy. I don't know any like
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  Speaker 3: real fit, healthy, active people that really enjoy that environment.
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  Speaker 1: So why why do you? Why why? I understand you
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  Speaker 1: love what you do, But I mean, you could build
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  Speaker 1: a studio somewhere out in the out in the mountain somewhere, like.
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  Speaker 3: Might probably do that. We're gonna probably build a studio
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  Speaker 3: on a ranch next' that's the next move. I want
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  Speaker 3: to have like a tactical course out there for fishing
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  Speaker 3: lake and have it set up and do fun ship
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  Speaker 3: with guests too, of.
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  Speaker 1: Cause people are gonna come see you. Man, that's what
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  Speaker 1: you think it's I mean, what you've done, Man, it's
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  Speaker 1: so cool. I tell people all the time, if you
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  Speaker 1: ever have the opportunity to go and see someone who
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  Speaker 1: is the best in the world at what they do,
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  Speaker 1: take that opportunity, whether it's a runner, a fighter, a kayaker,
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  Speaker 1: or a podcaster, Like, it's so cool to be here
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  Speaker 1: and to get to witness what you do, how you
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  Speaker 1: do it, the level that you go to to make
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  Speaker 1: all this happen. You're the best in the world. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. That's so cool for me, man, Like if
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  Speaker 1: we don't talk here, but for thirty minutes, I got
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  Speaker 1: to see the best in the world do what he does.
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  Speaker 1: And how cool is that? Man?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you?
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  Speaker 1: And like the hospitality that you have you know, given
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  Speaker 1: me since I've been here. It's just next level. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what you see. When you get to witness the
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  Speaker 1: best in the world do whatever it is they are
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  Speaker 1: the best at. You just get to see this whole
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  Speaker 1: nother level of the of proficiency, of skill, of technique,
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  Speaker 1: of mastery, and that opens up your mind m into
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  Speaker 1: like what's possible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this, I mean you can go back and watch
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  Speaker 3: the beginning episodes.
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  Speaker 1: This.
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  Speaker 3: It was terrible in the early days. What.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a podcaster too, man, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I know you are. I watch your show all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I've got like four hundred and some episodes out and
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  Speaker 1: same here when I first started a Yeah, it was awful,
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  Speaker 1: but it's so much fun. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. I found your show because of a
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  Speaker 3: video that you did on your land cruiser because I'm
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  Speaker 3: a land cruiser. N Yeah, and you were talking about
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  Speaker 3: like have a truck that will fucking like no matter
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  Speaker 3: what will work, like if they throw EMP pulses in
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  Speaker 3: the air and kill all the electronics, which is people
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  Speaker 3: don't understand. Like every car everyone is driving has a
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: fucking computer in it, and if something goes on there's
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: some sort of a power grid failure or some sort
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: of a solar flare that knocks out electronic it could
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  Speaker 3: knock out your fucking car. You have a brick, now,
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  Speaker 3: it's not gonna work if you don't have a carbureader
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  Speaker 3: and you have a car like a regular old school car.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, you know Tucker Carlson, he drives like a
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy eight pickup truck and I go, why do
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  Speaker 3: you drive that? He goes because they can't shut it off,
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  Speaker 3: the government can't get and it's got no GPS. No,
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  Speaker 3: he's super fucking paranoid.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the newest vehicle that I have, And yes, land
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  Speaker 1: Cruisers are my favorite. I've become close friends with Daniel
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  Speaker 1: at TLC four by four and he's done two for me,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred series and a sixty series.
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  Speaker 3: And they did mine too.
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  Speaker 1: L Yeah, man, They're just awesome. And like I said,
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  Speaker 1: my favorite part about driving the land Cruiser is that
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  Speaker 1: it makes people smile. I'm not a very funny guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so there's not many I don't get many
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  Speaker 1: opportunities to make human beings smile. But I can drive
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  Speaker 1: this land Cruiser and people look at it and point
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  Speaker 1: at it and they're smiling and like that. Just that's
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  Speaker 1: cool to me, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, sixty series, I think there's just like a core
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  Speaker 3: group of people who love those things. Yeah, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I see one, I slow down, I check it out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But the newest vehicle that I have, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: a car guy, now, I was poor most of my life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still fairly poor, but you know, I got enough
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  Speaker 1: money I can buy the cars that I want now.
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  Speaker 1: And the newest car that I have is a nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven Dodge diesel truck. I have two ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: I have an obs Ford it's a ninety seven with
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  Speaker 1: the power stroke diesel. I have a ninety seven Dodge
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  Speaker 1: Ram with the Cummings diesel because those are the two
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  Speaker 1: best diesel engines, undisputedly that have ever been produced. I
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  Speaker 1: have the one hundred series land Cruiser, actually the hundred
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  Speaker 1: series is a ninety eight, but I kind of gave
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  Speaker 1: that to my brother, so I can't count that. The
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  Speaker 1: sixty series is an eighty four. I have an eighty
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  Speaker 1: six Toyota they call pickup. It's a high lux. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm missing something, but I love I
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  Speaker 1: love old cars.
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  Speaker 3: Those old Toyotas are bulletproof. They never break.
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  Speaker 1: That's my squirrel hunting truck. Yeah, it'll go anywhere. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Why am I gonna go spend thirty thousand dollars on
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  Speaker 1: a side by side. I can get in this Toyota truck,
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  Speaker 1: and I can go anywhere you can go in a
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  Speaker 1: in a h side by side.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's my squirrel hunting truck.
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  Speaker 3: Man. So is squirrel hunting the most hunting that you do?
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  Speaker 1: I love Probably I do it every day that I'm
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  Speaker 1: at home. I squirrel hunt every day.
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  Speaker 3: How much squirrel do you eat?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I eat squirrel on special occasions.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I give away a lot of squirrel meat. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm blessed enough in life now that I can eat
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  Speaker 1: rib by a steak. I give away a lot of squirrel.
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  Speaker 1: I don't kill all the squirrels that we tree either, uh,
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  Speaker 1: really since a young age, I was introduced to hunt
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  Speaker 1: with dogs, tree dogs specifically, and there was something about
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  Speaker 1: a tree dog that just stirred this passion within me.
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  Speaker 1: It is the single it is the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: has stuck with me from childhood, young childhood. The first
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  Speaker 1: tree dog I ever walked to, I mean I was
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know I should probably shouldn't even have
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  Speaker 1: been in the woods, but I followed my uncle to
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  Speaker 1: a coonhound tree down in a swamp, and it just,
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  Speaker 1: even at that age, it just stirred something in me,
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  Speaker 1: like this is some sort of primal instinct of partnering
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  Speaker 1: with this dog in this chase. And I've done it
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  Speaker 1: even up until now, and it's just a it's a
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  Speaker 1: unique experience, man. And the great thing about dogs hunting
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  Speaker 1: dogs too, is the breeding aspect of it. That's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun. So not only do you have your
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  Speaker 1: best friend, you know, my little mountain cer. Her name's Wendy.
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  Speaker 1: She stays in the house, she's my best friend. We
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  Speaker 1: hunt every day together. But now I get to breed her.
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  Speaker 1: I get to select a mate, and over the course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping, over the course of the next thirty years
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  Speaker 1: or so, I can breed in these specific characteristics of
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  Speaker 1: this type of dog that I value, And so that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Not only is the hunting fun, but the breeding is fun,
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  Speaker 1: the training's fun. Everything about it is fun. And you
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  Speaker 1: take a group of guys out squirrel hunting, man, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a blast because you don't have to be quiet.
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  Speaker 3: Look.
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  Speaker 1: Man, you're out there in the woods on four wheelers.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's got shotguns. You know. You get to the tree.
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  Speaker 1: Here's this dog just hammering a tree on this tree.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody surrounds the tree, and that squirrel gets nervous and
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  Speaker 1: he starts timbering out going tree the tree, and you
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  Speaker 1: got five or six guys with shotguns blasting away, and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's cutting up and laughing. I mean, it's just a blast, dude.
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  Speaker 1: But that's my thing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's a funny thing.
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  Speaker 1: I like the I like the white I like to
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  Speaker 1: hunt white tails. I like I get to go on
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  Speaker 1: my first elk hunt this year.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, we're going.
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  Speaker 1: There's a there's a family out in Utah. Uh. They
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  Speaker 1: owned some ranch out there, I think it's called R
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  Speaker 1: five Ranch, and they wanted to put a hunt on
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  Speaker 1: for a veteran. So They partnered with an outfitter called
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  Speaker 1: G three Outfitters, and they bought a tag and for
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  Speaker 1: some odd reason they selected me as their veteran that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: they want to take out on an elk hunt. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I've always wanted the elk count man. I've just you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've just never made it happen. There's a lot that
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  Speaker 1: goes into it, as you know. And so they're taking
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  Speaker 1: me to New Mexico. They bought some tag from a
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  Speaker 1: landowner and uh, they gonna take me out there elk hunt.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great spot. New Mexico is a great spot
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  Speaker 3: for elk.
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  Speaker 1: He sent me some pictures of some of these bulls. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I said, what an animals? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: New Mexico has got some crazy genetics too. There's uh,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: there's two. There's there's a guy who explained this to
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: me that there's really two different besides like tu Lee
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: elk and Roosevelt elk, there's Rocky Mountain elk and then
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: there's Yellowstone elk. And the Yellowstone elk are an older
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: breed that has a larger antlers, a bigger animal. And
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you find a lot of those in uh Arizona, and
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: you find a lot of those in New Mexico.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: So where we're hunting at is right, It is on
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the border of Arizona and New Mexico.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: M Yeah, so I bet you have great genetics out there.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: You know what, Man, I can't believe it. I can't
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: believe this is the first am I gonna be my
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: first elk hunt?
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Are you rifle or it's.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Gonna be rifle now? Now I'm a big I'm a
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: big archery guy too. When I hunt why tails. When
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I started hunting white tails, that was what I did,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: was bow hunt, and still bow hunt quite a bit.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: But but this is a rifle hunt.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I love bow hunting. Rifle hunting is great. It's most effective,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: most efficient way to hunt. But there's something about having
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to get inside, you know, seventy eighty yards, sneaking up,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: executing a perfect shot.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Now you're a hoy guy too, Yeah, I have been
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: too all my life.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: They make them amazing bows.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: My wife, My wife a couple of years ago brought
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: me that r X seven. Yeah, with the carbon carbon
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: fiber riser. I always wanted a bow with a carbon
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: riser because I remember hunting so many hunts in the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Southeast whitetail hunts, walking into the stand in your hand,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: just getting so cold right around.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the difference. Carbon doesn't get cold like that
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: like aluminum does.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the main reason I wanted one. But it's
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: been a great bow.
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  Speaker 3: cutting the aluminum and you know, they have like so
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  Speaker 3: many different steps to make sure that quality control is perfect,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, at the end when you get it,
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  Speaker 3: you really appreciate it. And they're so smooth now. Like
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I've been bow hunting for twelve years now, thirteen years,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: thirteen years, and just the difference in thirteen years is crazy.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: If I go back and pick up one of my
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: old bows, it just feels archaic. Yep. They're so smooth now.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: The draw cycles so smooth, and they're so dead in
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the hand when you fire them.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And those parallel limbs and they're so short and compact.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: You know, the old bows we used to shoot back
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in the day, the old Viper text and all that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: from Hoyt and Matthews had the old SQ twos and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Q two's and they were just long and unwieldy in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the stand, and you know, you know, you can make
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: like you said, one hundred yard shots now with a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: compound bow. Back then, I mean, there wasn't nobody shooting
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: mbows at one hundred yards, No, because they just weren't tuned.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I think so finally as the bows that we have today,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I mean that Rix seven man. Every time I shoot
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that bow, it amazes me at how that arrow is
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just flies like a laser beam, and I'm like, good
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: night man, Yeah, it's a cool Have you ever shot
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a stick bow?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I'm not good at it, though I shot
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: it on vacation once. I was shocked at how bad
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I was, because I'm so good with a compound bow
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out where to aim, where it goes,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and do all this shit and how to let loose. Right.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: It's I have a buddy who hunts exclusive, My buddy,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Ryan Callahan. He hunts exclusively with a homemade bow. He's
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: got like a long bow that he made. I don't
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: know if he made this one. I know he's made
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: him before, but you know it's those real simple bows.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, wh you can't even get much energy out
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: of that thing. But it's the extra challenge.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: You gotta get real close.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: You gotta get real close and be real accurate.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went. I took man on a mule deer
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: hunt up in the wasasat Trains in Utah two years ago.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you got to get within seven
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to ten yards of that animal with a long bow. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I do. I do. Anyways, you know, Fred
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Bahar might he might could have made a twenty or
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: thirty yard shot, but you know you gotta get You
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: got to get right in their laps, and we will.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I was on public land. It was a wilderness area.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: That's where I like to hunt. I mean I like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: wilderness areas. That's the highest designation of preservation that Congress
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: can award to a piece of land. So if you're
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: in a wilderness area, you know there's not gonna be
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: no horses, no mechanized tools. Nobody's gonna be clearing trails
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: with a chainsaw up there. If you ever want to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: go in in the back country, find a wilderness area,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: not a national park, not a national forest. To find
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a wilderness area. But we were watching these mule deer,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'd watch him in the morning. They'd
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: get up and feed and then they I'd wait for
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: him to go lay down, and then you had to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: move on that mule deer and use the terrain, put
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the terrain between you and him, and they'd be betted
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: down and you could get with. The closest I got
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to one was about five yards and he was betted
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: down under a tree, just kind of out in this
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: big old rock. I was way up in the mountains,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: big old rocky area. Well, I stalked all the way
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: up there to him, and I got about five yards
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: from where I'd last seen where I saw him bed
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: down at You know, I lost sight of him when
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I started the stalk, and I got impatient, and I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: got there and I was laid down up against the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: rock and that tree was right there, and I thought,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you know it tell me about an hour to stalk
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: over here. I said, I wonder if he got up
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and moved. I peecked my head up over that rock,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and that big some of them was just looking right
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: at me. I'm talking about eye to eye five yards.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: He jumped up and tore out of there. That was
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the closest I got to killing one. But if I
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: would have just laid there with that long bow and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: been patient and wait waited for him to stand up
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: off his bed. I could have drew and shot him
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: right there.
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  Speaker 3: He's probably already alert. He probably heard you.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he heard me or not. I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: had the wind. I had the wind.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Our years are so good.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I had shoes on. But you know, I'm stalking across big,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: big granite, you know, rock slabs and stuff, so it
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was pretty quiet. I mean, there was no indication when
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I picked my head up, he was still laying there
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: on bed. There was no indication that he knew I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: was there, other than when he saw me peek my
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: head over the rock and stand up and tear out
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of there.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: You know, they're the most difficult to hunt because they're
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: just dealing with mountain lions all day long, and they're
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: just always like and they'll jump the string quicker than
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: any animal other than the craziest ones are axis deer.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Have you ever hunted access dear? Have access deer evolved
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: with tigers, so they move so fast. I had a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: video of an access deer that I shot at at
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: seventy plus yards and with a lighted knock, and you
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: see the arrow. His arrow's going two hundred ninety feet
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: a second. You see this arrow launching towards this deer,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: and this deer is feeding in the field totally broadside.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: He hears the arrow within ten yards, ducks down, hauls out,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: and he's gone by the arrow got by the time.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: The arrow got hey, here's the arrow in flight exactly.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: He had no idea we were very far away. That's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: why I took the shot. It's one of the things
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: with those animals, like you're sometimes better off taking a
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: long shot than a close shot, because they hear that
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: bow go off and they just duck and go. I mean,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: they're not trying to duck under your arrow. What they're
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: trying to do is load up their weapons or load
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: up their legs rather get super low so they can
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: launch themselves forward and gone. They're just trying to take
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: off as quickly as possible, and that means dropping down.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And when they drop down, arrows go right over them.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: But this one was so fast within ten yards, he
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: was nowhere near the arrow. His ass was over here.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: The vitals were I aimed for was right here. He
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: was already over there. He was two feet away from it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And he didn't start moving until that arrow was ten
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: yards away from where was that at That was in Hawaii, Hawaii.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Lanai is a crazy place because Lannai has no predators
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and it's a small island. It only has three thousand
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: people living on it, but it has thirty thousand deer plus.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So they want you to kill They want you to
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: kill him, kill them as many as you can. They
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: have people. There are snipers that go out there at night,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and everybody on the island eats good because it's the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: best meat access. Deer is delicious if you've ever had it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It's right up there with elk. It's fantastic meat. And
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: they're just completely over poppy, so they have to do it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So people hunt them there three hundred and sixty five
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: days a year, so high pressure. So they're used to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: like they're always with the head on a swivel, always
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: looking around for a hunter.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: That would be a fun hunt. That would you up.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Oh it's great before Elksi's yeah, that would turn you
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: up because you'll get if you blow a stock, you
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: get another stalk in ten seconds, like you're on another animal.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And you're in these fields that used to be where
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the dole plant grew pineapples, so it's it's kind of
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: a weird ground. Like I guess the way they would
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: form pineapples, they would put like a layer of plastic
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: down and then the soil would be above the plastic.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: So everywhere you go it's weird. You see like almost
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: like garbage bag plastic underneath the dirt all over the place.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: And these animals are you Like, you'll sit on the
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: top of a hill and look down on a field
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: and you might see six hundred axes deer wandering around
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: this field.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's it's so unnatural.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But is that are they are? They're not native? No, okay.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: They were given to King Kameha Maya by I think
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: the King of India whatever the ruler of India was
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: in the eighteen hundreds and they and they've had them
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: on this island forever and they're just completely overpopulated. They're
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: all like all over the place, and big ones too.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Oh it's a great hunt. It's a great if if
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: you have a rifle, it's a no brainer. It's like
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you're going to get a deer. But if you got
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: a bow, I mean I went out there with Cam
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Haynes and Remy Warren and Adam green Tree and all
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: these just like bona fide killers who like world class hunters.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Cam's best in the world, mass in the.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: World, and and John Dudley was there too, And we
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: went out there and we were there for like six
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: or seven days and everyone was successful, and then we
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: made a podcast about it, blew up the Outfitter. It's
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a great place to go hunt. You stay at the
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: four seasons, incredible food, amazing amenities, beautiful, beautiful resort, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: then you get to go and hunt in this incredible place.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: But after we left, he said they had one hundred
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: and fifty people come within that season, from from then
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: until the time we went back the next year. One
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: guy was successful with the bow one one night. And
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: you're got so many opportunities, but they're so fast, and
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: if you had bad odds, well you have. Here's the deal.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Don't try the morning. I used I've hunted in the
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: morning and I've been successful, but it's too fucking quiet.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: You really want to go in the afternoon because in
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the afternoon you get a lot of wind, and you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: you just got to pick your spots and play your
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: stocks correctly.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Have you turkey hunting?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Eastern or California?
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: It was in California, okay, Marriams or probably it was
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: in the wine country up there. I went up there
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: with Steve Vanella. Okay, he took me turkey. It was fun.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: You know, his buddy's a big score a hunter. Steve's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: buddy's a big squirrel hunter. What's that guy, Clay? Yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: he's got a bunch of fist dogs. He I think
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: he hunts off of mules. Yes, I'll tell you what
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: we are to do. We order set up a big
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: squirrel hunt with everybody, Me, me and you and Clay
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and Cam and and we'll just we order set up
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a big squirrel hunt.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I got squirrel once with Roanella. He cooks some squirrel
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: off for us.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Boy, if we could get him to come in and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: cook too, that would be outstanding. It would because I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: have a hard time making this wild game taste taste
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: worth the flip do. Yeah, I'm just not a good
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: cook man.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I noticed that. Well, I was going to talk to
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: you about your steak cooking. We got to work on that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not much of a cook.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Man, I watched you cook a steak on a trigger,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: and I was like, listen, the way to cook a
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: steak on a trigger is you can cook a steak
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: on a trigger like you could cook like if you
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: have a roast, Like you can cook a good roast
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: on the trigger. But the reality is you need to
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: be able to see it, and so you can't really
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: see things on a trigger. And I saw what you did.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You try to turn the temperature up real high and
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: then cook at the end. The key is getting on
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: a frying pan, like, get it low and slow on
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the trigger, I like two hundred and twenty five degrees
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: with a super smoke. Get it nice and smoky. Get
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: it up to one hundred and twenty degrees and then
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: cast iron skillet. Get that motherfucker hot, put some beef
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: tilo in there, and like ninety seconds each.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Side seals it up perfect. Now do you do much
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of your own cooking?
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I do almost all my own cooking. Okay, yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I cook a lot.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Does your wife cook?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah? She cooks too.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife cooks. I'm so blessed that she cooked,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: because I've got a long ways to go. I actually
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: made a goal of mine I've been working on I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: cook for her one night a week, and it's worked
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: out a few times. But I'm learning can appreciate that
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: tip on the state.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the tip on the stake is reverse sears. What
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: it's called. And I learned that from Whiskey Bent, my
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: friend Chad whiskey Bent barbecue, and he said, if you
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: really want to cook at steak correctly, he goes, you
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: want it to be slowly cooked and then sear the outside.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: A lot of people try to sear it first. He's like,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with that. The other think the way
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: to get it the juiciest steak is to slow cook
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: it and then sear it at the end, the reverse
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: cere method.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna try that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: When it's the house. It's the move.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: My cousin raises all the cows we eat, so my
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: mama makes all the bread we eat. My wife grows
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: all the vegetables that we eat. I'm gonna say seasonally,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Seasonally, Uh, my cousin raises
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: all the cows.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: We get our water right out of the ground. I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: take buckets of water once a week, go collect water
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: comes right out of a spring. Some old rednecks found
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a spring back in there and run a PVC pipe
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: out of it, you know, And so we just go
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: there and collect.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: All all totally off the grid.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we'll we'll order some stuff from the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: grocery store, you know, just it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: But we're homeless totally.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be hard at all to ramp things up
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to the point that we were one hundred percent eating
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: what we could produce as a family unit. No one person,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like no one person is going to produce everything that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: they need for them and their family to eat. Like it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: It's my cousin. He raises cows, you know, so we
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: know where they're coming from, we know how they're living,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: we know what they're being fed. Like I said, my
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: mama makes bread. My wife can grow anything. It's an effort,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you know. I hunt. I can bring in wild game
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: meat at any time. Everybody thinks about when the apocalypse comes.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You know, you think you're gonna be eating all these
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: deer and elk and stuff. You're gonna be eating squirrel,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: buddy squirrel and birds, maybe apossum. Every now and then
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: them deer's gonna be gone quick probably, you know, small
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: game smart. If you want to really subsistence, you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: get your meat from the wild. You gotta be able
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to hunt a small game. Squirrels, rabbit, coon, possum. You
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: gotta be able to hunt them.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: You go out and try to hunt a coon without
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a dog, you ain't gonna kill no coon.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I can take a good dog out and kill ten
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: coons in an hour. If I raccoon's pretty greasy, you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: gotta again. You gotta cook it, right, you know, so
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: much wild game other than elk I found. Elk seems
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to be really really good, even if you're not a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: skilled cook, you know. To me, anyways, it's the best
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: wild game meat I've ever ate. But like these squirrels, coons,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: things like small game, even rabbit, they can get real tough.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: You know that you can is that raccoon jam? Yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that's coon right there? You cook it in a crock pot.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: A lot of this small game. You slow cook it,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and that kind of helps keep it moist
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and break it down. But anyways, man, I'm all over
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the durned place.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: And you probably have to cook it to a high
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: temperature too. Raccoons probably get trickingosis, right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if a coon does or not. I've
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: killed a bunch of bears, and I know they do.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: They do.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't like about bear.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. It makes me uncomfortable.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I killed I've killed two black bears, both of them
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: with my bow, both of them about five hundred pounds. Well,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and those are big block that big big black bears.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Georgia blacks.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: No, these are Virginia. There's a place in Virginia called
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the Great Dismal Swamp. It's a about one hundred and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: ten thousand acre continuous block of land. That's what's left
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of it. It's eat up with bears.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I would take my coon dog down down the swamp bottom.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: We caught it the run and during springtime when the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: bears were out with cubs, I couldn't even hardly run
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: my coon dog up and down through there. There were
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: so many bears in there, and them soals would get
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: They would get, you know, mad at us for being
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in there, and start popping their teeth and making racket.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I took a young man with me down in there
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: one time, first time he ever been coon hunting. I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was hunting a dog called a leopard curve and I
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: cut that dog loosening there and he went down in there.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Oh oom, slam tree. I thought, all right, this is
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: good because coon hunt can be rough. We walked down
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: in there and I had this young guy with me,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and he had the rifle. We got up to the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: tree and I walk up to that dog and leash
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: it up, and I'm fooling with the dog getting it
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: leashed back on the tree there, and he said, what
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is that. I said, what are you talking about? He said,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: stop and listen, and I stopped, and that dog quit
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: barking for a second, and all of a sudden I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: could hear bark raining down on the leaves above my
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: head because it was summertime. About that time, about three
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds black bear comes sliding down out of that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: tree like it was a little fireman's pole landing. I'm
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: talking about that jugger landed right in the midst of me,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: him and the dog. And he's standing there. He's just
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: frozen because he never been coon hunting before. He's got
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the gun. He's just frozen. And about the time that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: bear hit the ground, I snapped the leash off of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that dog because the dog was my only chance to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: run this bear out of our vicinity. And those these
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: curve dogs are real gritty. They won't back up there.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I mean they won't back up from nothing. They're like
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a like a game cock.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And uh, that dog tore out after that bear ran
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: him out. I looked over at that boy. I said,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: what were you just gonna you've got the gun? You
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: just stood there and did He said, well, I thought
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that happens all the time. But that's how many bears
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: was in this area.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So I'd be out there white tail hunting, you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and a big old, five hundred pound boar bear would
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: come up.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I've had him climb the tree that I was sitting
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in the tree stand. But you know, if a big
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: one came by, it's hard. It's hard not to shoot
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a big trophy bear, especially with a bow. I've killed two.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But when we kill them bear, I would just There
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was a lot of poor, real poor people that lived
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: around in there. Well. There was one man named Zacharai.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: He was about a ninety year old black man. He
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: had one eye. He hunted year round because he had
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to hunt to eat. We'd see him out in the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: field deer hunting the little of summer time. Wouldn't nobody
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: say nothing to him because they knew he had to eat.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: But I'd call Zacharaia when I killed that bear. Well,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: then he would call all of his people in the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: community and we'd take that bear down to the skinning shed.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And within ten minutes we'd have fifty people lined up
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: at the skinning shed with grocery bags. And so we
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: would cut this bear up and process this bear, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: these you know, poor people, they'd come down there and
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: get them a big piece of meat. Well, by the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: time everybody was done, they wasn't maybe but one piece
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of meat left. You know what I mean? Because I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: don't like bear, but I sure do like killing them.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Have you ever had it cook well done?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: What?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: We've cooked some at the house, But I haven't. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: mean I haven't, That's what I'm saying. I'm not a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: good cook.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I just have to learn how to do it. My
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: friends John and Jen, they run an outfitter in their
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: outfitters in Alberta, and their bear hunters, and I've been
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: bear hunting with them and they take like a roast
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: and they'll cook it on a tragger. They brine it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: They put it in like they marinate it, and it's fantastic.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: It's like some of it like better than the best
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: roast beef you've ever had.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: There's a way, there's a way to make it taste good.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: It's all. It's also in what they eat. You know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: if you get them and they've been eating like a
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: dead moose, and you know, and they've been feasted on
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that for a couple of weeks and then it's rotten
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: and they just they stink and it's not good. No,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: they want to get acorn.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Bears were killing what they would The reason they were
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: so big. They were eating corn and soybeans. Yeah, perfect,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you know they now they eat a pile of deer
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: guts too.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I mean I would.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I would gut a deer out there. You know, if
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I killed a deer, I gut it in the woods.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I don't gut them back at the house. I just
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: got them in the woods and you come back an
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: hour later, and they wouldn't be a not a speck
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of them guts left. Crazy, I mean, they would eat
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the fire out of them.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Do you know that the early pioneers preferred bear meat
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: and they used deer just for skins.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: No, I did not know that.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Daniel Boone and all those fellows. They those
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: guys they were bear hunters.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: The fat they eat, yeah, they wanted the fat and
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: they ate bear meat because they thought it was closer
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: to beef. Huh.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is closer to beef, yeah, I would
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: say than deer.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so, especially if it's cooked. Well,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: it's delicious. It's just you got to get a bear
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: that's not eating rotten meat and not eating fish and
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: cook it right. But if you cook it right, it's fantastic.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: It's really good bear sausage. It's fantastic. It's all just
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: in how you get it prepared. Yeah, how you do
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: it right now was really good.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Well see, I gotta start running in the right circles
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: with people that can cook.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my problem. My friend Jesse who owns is
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: so restaurant here called die Due. What is Jesse's that
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: he runs a school that teaches people how to shoot hogs,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: how to butcher them, how to cook them. And you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: he likes old, ruddy old hogs and he really knows
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: how to do it correctly. So this is it. This
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: is a new school of traditional cookery. So Jesse will
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: take people and he'll take them out there, teach them
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: how to hunt, teach them everything about it, how to
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: stalk an animal, how to dress the game, how to
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: cook it and prepare it, and what the cuts you're
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: looking for. And he teaches classes on this. It's amazing.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I mean it's a small class because he wants to
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: do it correctly. But he's incredible in that restaurant. If
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you ever get a chance to go to it, die
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Due in town, it's amazing.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and tell you. If you can
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: make an old boar hall tastes good, yeah, you have
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: gotten to be a master.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's a master. He also like cooked diver ducks
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: for us, which everybody says it's disgusting, and they were fantastic,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: and he's like, it's all just in the preparation. You
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: marinated them. He slow cooked them on a on a smoker.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: They were fantastic.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: All that stuff just takes time. Yeah, it just takes time.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: It's so much easier just to just to cook a ribbi.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: That's the easiest. Yeah, it's just there's something about wild
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: game to me, that's it's a different kind of food. Yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: it's it feels different when you eat it. There's more
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: energy to it. Yeah, it's like it's just so nutrient dense.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: You eat it, your whole body just goes woo woo.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: You feel it, you know, like you look an elk
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: steak and you eat that medium rare and you just
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: biting into it and it's juicy and.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I hope I get one. I think I got
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a good chance of getting one. These boys are serious.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So well, with a rifle, your chances are a
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: lot higher. And I know you're a real good shot,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: so you probably did. A guy like you also could
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: shoot accurately at a distance, which is huge. Yeah, have
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: no idea. You're there. You know you can. I'm sure
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: you can make a five hundred yard shot easy. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: if your rifles toned correctly for something like that, it's like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: got a pretty good shot.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Have you been Have you been up to the Yukon
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: territory at all?
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: No? No, I haven't.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I just got back. It's been it's been. You know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it's been quite the journey, both on the on the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: micro and the micro level to wind up here at
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: this table with you. I had spent the last about
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the last month sitting with a good friend of mine,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: one of my biggest mentors in my life. I said,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I'd sit with him for hours on end while he
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: was dying. Uh, And then I had to leave him
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and I went out to the uk On. Sorry, man, Uh,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: we need to talk more about that, by the way.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And I had I got a teammate that I went
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: through seal training and all with. He was paralyzed fourteen
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: years ago. And uh, he wanted to go on an
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: adventure and I said, well, there's a race out there.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It's a thousand mile kayaking race. It's the longest kayaking
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: race in the world on the Yukon River, totally unsupported.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: He said, all right, well took He prepared for about
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: two years and we went out there and did that
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: on the Yukon River. And I came home and my
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: buddy died the day I got home. And so it's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: been a man, it's been a while last month or so.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Have you ever got to sit with anybody water dying
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: important to you, not wather dying. I highly recommend it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: It will teach you so much. Man, it has made
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: me grow like I don't know, man, it just gives
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: me the dag on chills thinking about it. And the
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: crazy thing is, is the type of person that I
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: used to be. I would have thought, you know, going
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and sitting with someone who's dying is a waste of time.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like I got other things to do, right, you do too,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: We got busy lives. Well, this man he mentored me
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: hunting and everything working all that. His name was Dawn Tidwell.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: From the time I was about thirteen to the time
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I left to go become a Navy seal, well, I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: did my whole navy thing. I got out. I reconnected
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: with Don for a while, but then I started this company.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Now that we have three or seven project got busy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Have a curse from my military service. It's it's I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: have this unique ability to be able to forget you
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: ever existed. Uh when when I you know, when you
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: when I get on some sort of mission and you're
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: not part of that anymore, I can forget you ever existed.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And so I lost touch with him because of my
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: own selfishness and been doing this thing for the last
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: four or five years. Well, his wife called me and said, look,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: he just wants to see you one more time. He's
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: got pancreatic cancer. He's got maybe two weeks left. He
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: just wants to see you one more time. Good night. Man.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Took a lot of courage for me to go show
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: up in front of him and sit down with him
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and say, mister Dawn, I'm sorry I haven't been the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: friend to you that you deserve. Will you forgive me?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: He's laying there dying. He looks back at me and says, son,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: there's nothing to forgive. I mean, just like And then
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: from that point I'd go sit with him twice a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: week for eight or nine or ten hours, just sit
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: right there by his bed, or read the scriptures to him.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: He only had a third grade education. We read about
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the Gospel, and we read about the resurrection, and we
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: read about creation, and you know, we don't. The first
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: thing that you learn, I think when you sit with
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: somebody that's dying is that death is the great foe
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: that sits above mankind and scoffs at our wisdom. You
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. That death is this great foe.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: It is the enemy that sits above us and mocks
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: the wisdom of man uh, Mister Dawn had built up
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: basically an empire within the within the community he lived in.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He had made millions and millions of dollars as an entrepreneur,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't read or write, but he still had to succumb
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to this process that's coming for all of us. Like
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that was like that, that just
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: hit me, Like we think we want to look up
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: at the sky and we want to explain how the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: cosmos began, and we can't even solve our own biggest problem.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: We can't solve our own biggest problem, which is death. Right,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It's the it's the biggest problem for all of us. Yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we can't figure out how to solve it, how to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: overcome it. Like we don't think about this enough. Like
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: have you ever thought, why are you dying? Have you
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: ever thought about that?
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Like like not, like I get it, Like all of
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: us we understand death as you know, we go along
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: through this life, but and then something happens, We get
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: hit by a car, one of our organs fail, cancer happens, whatever,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and we say that killed us, right, and that thing
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: did kill us, But your entire life is leading you
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to that point, Like why do you have to die
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: like it's it's by necessity you must die? Why what's
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: killing you?
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: What?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: What do you? What's killing you?
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Well? Age, your body stops reproducing correctly, your cells don't
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: reproduce correctly.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So why does that happen? Though? What's causing that?
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Every animal, almost every animal on this planet has a
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: timeline that exists in it's probably it's probably probably a
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: natural function of keeping a balance, like all of nature
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: has a balance. And I mean, can imagine if mosquitoes
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: lived a thousand years? What a fucking pain the ass
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: that would be. No, they get a couple of but
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: you know, how long does the mosquito live a week?
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: How long does a fly live a week? Good? Because
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: otherwise we'd be fucked You know, a deer, a good deer,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a good deer that's like the best days of its life.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: It's like thirteen years, it's done, it's over, it's gonna
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: it's it's limping, it's gonna get torn apart by coyotes,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: whatever gets it. Everything has a time, because if it didn't,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: then there'd be too many people, there'd be too many
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: balance would be balanced to be all fucked up.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: That's that's a great answer.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Man. The thing is, there's a lot of scientists that
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: are working on that, and a lot of scientists that
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I've talked to that are treating aging like a disease.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: So instead of just accepting the fact like oh, you're
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: fifty now things are slowing down, like, well, why are
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: they slowing down? And what can we do to reverse that?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I love thinking along those lines, man, like, yeah, I
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: love that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: At the very least, what it does is improves your
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: performance radically as an older person. Improves your physical performance
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: is what was what people would be capable of naturally
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: with no supplements twenty thirty years ago. It's a very
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: different world today, very very very different. And with all
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the different modalities, all the different things you could do
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: like hyperbaric treatments, NMN supplementation, red light therapy, cold plunge, sauna,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: all these different things radically change the composition of your
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: body and your overall metabolic health radically changes it. And
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: then with hormone therapy and all the other different things
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: that you can do. I mean, it's just just because
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: of science and because of people figuring these things out,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: it's a radically different world than it was in the past.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: But is is there a solution? Like is there a
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: fix for death? Like is anyone searching or even contemplating that?
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. David Sinclair's all over that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: He's a guy from Harvard that we've had on the
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: podcast a few times. That's his primary study. They're they're
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: treating aging as a disease and trying to figure out
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: what different types of medication, what different types of therapies,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: what's the root cause of the cells aging and not
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: reproducing correctly.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It's an ugly thing, man.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, it gets rough, especially if you don't take care
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: of yourself.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: That's the rough one. When you see people that have
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: been drinking their whole life and then they quit at
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: seventy five and you're like, it's late, you know, even
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: torturing your body, forcing your body to process poison for decades, yeah,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: you know. And and also just living in cities alone.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: And you were talking about that smell, that weird smell
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that you get in cities. That's fucking break dust and
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: tires and exhaust fumes.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And do and do doo.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit of do doo. Not bad here.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Go to San Francisco.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I found a turd on the side of the trail.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: To a human, it was a terrible lung too.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife went back and took a video of it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: You might see it on YouTube the next couple of days.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Your visit to Austin.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, just sitting with him makes makes me
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: contemplate these these things and and and for me, obviously,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: because of my worldview being shaped by scripture, it makes
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: me go to scripture and bounce these questions off of
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the scriptures, you know, and and even it I think
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: it was powerful too, because you know, I'm sitting with
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: a man who's important to me, who is bearing this
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: burden of death, and by the way he bore it, well,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: it was amazing to me that I could go and
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: sit with him and he would talk to me and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: take time to spend with me, even in the midst
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: of this terrible process that he was going through. I
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: told him, I said, you could have just laid there
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: on on this bed and not say a word to anybody,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: and nobody would have blamed you.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: It's scary, it's it's you're He couldn't sit still, you know,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and and uh, because he was in so much pain,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: it's daggon. Cancer's rough man. Yeah, it's rough. But but
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: then you know, he had these same questions that I'm thinking,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: like why does this have to happen? You know, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: then for me then to have to go and search
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the scriptures and then come to him with the scriptures
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and share the scriptures with him, to you know, give
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: him some of the answers that he had. You know.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: It's like I would read a scripture to him and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: he would say, because again, mister Dawn had a strong
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: faith in the message of what we call the Gospel, uh,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: but he didn't know all the other stuff because he
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: couldn't read. So I would read a scripture to him,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and and then he would say, read another one, read
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: another one, and I was seeing it was the It
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: was the wildest thing, dude. I've never seen it. I've
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: never seen anything like it before. I've been I've been
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: following the Lord Jesus for thirteen years now. I was
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: reading these words off of the page, not even explaining
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: them to him. I was just reading him these scriptures
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: and they were manifesting like power in him. Like you
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: could see you you witnessed a change in his expression
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: and his attitude. It was like these words I'm reading
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: are manifesting power and hope and like literal energy. Like
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I would come over and read the scriptures to him,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: and he would been in bed for the last four days,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get up for anybody. I'd read the scriptures to him,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and then next thing, you know, we'd be out on
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the porch, like he'd get out of bed and we'd
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: go walk out on the porch. I'd have to help
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: him walk, right, And his wife kept saying, you're the
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: best thing for him right now. I'm like, no, you
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: don't understand. It's not my presence. For somehow, I'm reading
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: him from these scriptures and it's like manifesting some sort
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: of power and hope in him, and it like would
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: give him energy in some way. And I can't explore.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it happen, like, like I've never witnessed
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: that before.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: You know, it's probably even more profound because he can't read,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: so you're reading it.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: To him, dude, right, dude. It was wild man like
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And I would read these scriptures to him, Joe, and uh,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: he would say, yeah, I understand that now, and like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: we're reading complex things like we're reading about the resurrection,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: like the bodily resurrection of all the saints that at
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the second coming of Christ. And you know, he asked
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: me one questions. He asked me, has anybody ever really
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: explained to you what happens when we leave here? You know,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: because he's wondering these things like I'm about to I'm
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: about to depart this tent, buddy, what's about to happen?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, the only answer I can give you,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: mister don has got to come from these scriptures. And
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: so and I would read these complex scriptures to him,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: First Corinthians chapter fifteen and Second Corinthians, chapter five, and
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: he would he would under like it would make sense
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to him in his mind more than my mind could
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: comprehend the truth of what I was reading. Like that
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: was what was wild. It was like this veiling, this
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: veil between this realm and the next realm, was getting thin.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And he was taking in the truth of this word
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: and processing it logically at a level that I can't
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: prosss it because this veil for for us is still
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: so thin unless you hit that DMT. Right, we talk
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: about later, but uh, but right, yeah, And so I'm
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: witnessing it was wild dude. And two like crazy things happen,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: like when I'd sit with him, like every you know,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours, I'd get up and go check
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: in with his wife or something. And we had a
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: camera in the room with him, and uh, we could
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: watch what he was doing. And when I would walk
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: out of the room, you give it a few minutes,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and you would see him start to look above him
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and he was he would be reaching like this for
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: stuff above him, and like we didn't know what he
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: was doing. We never even asked him. I wish I
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: would have asked him, like, mister, don what are you seeing? Like,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: what are you reaching for? Well, then back when I
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: would come back in the room with him, he would
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: stop doing it. And then and towards the end there
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: he had a stroke. He was paralyzed one his whole
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: left side of his body was paralyzed, and so he
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: was just you know, he couldn't sit up or do anything.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: And then finally at the very end when he passed away,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: he literally sits up out of he sits up erect
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: in his out of his hospital bed, reaches both of
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: his hands straight up like this, and then lays back
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: down and departs the tent. WHOA, So I started researching this.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: What the crap is going on?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I wish you asked him what he was reaching for?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: You you watch there? Are you the I found this
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: hospice nurse on Instagram. I don't remember her name, but
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: she's she's like posting all these videos of people doing
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: this exact thing. They're and they're reaching for stuff, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: she's a hospice nurse. I don't know, I don't have it.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. It's a she's got a lot of following.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: She's got a big following. Just look hospice nurse on
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Instagram or whatever. But she posts all these videos of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: these people. Is the reaching they're like calling out. I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's not her, but this is another
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: one that's not the one I WATCHA it's a very
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: common thing, and they're calling out a lot of times
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the names of loved ones that have passed before them.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: They're seeing something like that, they're seeing into the other realm. Oh,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: it's that lady on the far right over that that's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: the one I watched. She's a little crazy, but I'm
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and tell you she posts out some
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: wild stuff. Man, This is common stuff. Man.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: What's her name, Jimmy, It says hospice in.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Weeks before their death, when they're able to tell us
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: what they're seeing, when they're able to tell us about
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: these visions, they're almost always above them or up in
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: the corner of the room. But sometimes as they get
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: closer to the end of life and they're no longer
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: able to communicate, we start seeing them reach into the air.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: So I'm convinced that when they are reaching into the air,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: they are reaching towards those people who they love who
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: have died before them.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: This woman is not a believer as far as I know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know what her you know,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: how her worldview is in terms of what happens after this.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: But she's just sitting here showing you, saying, Hey, this happens.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: We can't figure out why, we can't figure out what's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: going on. Obviously, for me, when I see that happening,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: when mister Dawn sits up in the bed, even though
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: he's literally paralyzed by a stroke, he sits it is
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: innocent impossibility. He sits up in his bed and reaches
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: both hands in the air and then lays down and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: departs the tent. What do I have to believe that,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: like his transportation had arrived, you know what I mean?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And to witness that, how does that not like strengthen
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you're you're you're witnessing something that's tangible. It's like, how
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: does that not strengthen at least your faith that there
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: is something becoming after this? You know what I mean?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: And there's so many stories and the thing is people
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: have this arrogant assumption and this is a lot of
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: based on academics and science and on this belief that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: we have all the answers to to reality when we
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: don't even really understand consciousness. We don't business is a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: massive mystery. So this idea that we've got it solved.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: And when I hear people say when you die, that's it,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: it's over, Like, how do you know you're just saying this,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: You're just saying this that that is as much of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: a belief system as any religion, This belief in something
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: that you have no evidence of whatsoever. But there's so
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: many anecdotal stories of people with near death experiences, including
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Sebastian Younger. Do you know who he is?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: You've heard the name.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Brilliant journalist, a great author, has written some incredible books.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: He did Bristrepo Right documentary about the war, and he
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: just had an amazing, interesting, very very intelligent guy. And
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: the last time he's on the podcast, he was telling
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: us a story about he had a medical emergency some
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: sort of It was like an artery burst, right Jamie,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: something inside of his abdomen, and he was bleeding out
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: on the inside, and he was dying, and he got
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: to the hospital and had this near death experience that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: like very very vivid experience interacting with his father, like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: just beyond anything that he would have ever comprehended, and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: came back with a completely different perspective on life and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: death and like what this is and where that there
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: is something else, there's something out there. And people that
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: have had near death experiences or died and been resuscitated,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: they come back with the same fucking story over and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: over and over and over and over and over and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: over and over again. It's not there's not a lot
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: of variation. There's different interpretations of what they're seeing, but
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: it all fits within the same framework. It all fits
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: within a framework that this is there's something there.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Did you see the video of this kid a couple
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: weeks ago. No, he's having a wild experience where he
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: sees Jesus, he sees his dead father says, it's beautiful.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Why is this kid?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: I think he was sick and he's coming out of surgery.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know the exact story.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: On what was happening to Jesus.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: This video was a long, it's ten minute video.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: But whoa dam. Yeah, he's dreaming. All he's seeing into
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: a different he's seeing into the next realm.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you could dismiss that. You could dismiss that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: if you wanted to.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah you can, you can, man, But look, man, and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I don't even need all these signs and wonders, Like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I don't even need all that, man. I mean, it's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: great when you get the opportunity to witness things like
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I got to witness with my friend mister Dawn and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and just see his faith and see that the word
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: manifests power in him. Like it's great when you get
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to see it. But you can get too carried away
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: with all that stuff too, you know what I mean.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: It's like, uh, I don't know, man, you know, I'm
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: wondering Joe. If the Almighty ain't calling.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: You, call me?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: How on the phone calling you?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Man? What do you mean? In what way?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. I think a lot of people are
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: wondering what the Almighty is doing, what he's working.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: In.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: You see, Scripture is dripping with something that's called election.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: A lot of people get mad about me talking about this,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: but that this truth that we will never choose God
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: the Almighty, we will never choose to believe. As a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, Scripture actually says over and over again,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the whole message of the cross is foolish. It's foolishness.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, some dude died on a cross. What
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: does that represent to man? That represents weakness, that represents defeat,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: that represents death. You're gone. The message of the cross
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: is foolishness to man. We will never choose to believe
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: in the message of what we call the gospel, that
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: is that Jesus Christ died on the cross, according to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: the scriptures, he was buried, and that he rose again
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: by his own power according to the scriptures. That's foolishness
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and the only way that we can or will ever
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: believe that, like truly place our faith in that and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: everything that's contained in that statement right there, because there's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: a lot there. You could literally spend the rest of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: your life meditating on that right there, the Gospel, the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: what was done on the cross and by way of
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the resurrection of Christ. You'd never get to the end
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: of it. You would never comprehend everything, you would never
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: search it to its bottom. You will never believe that.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: And the only way that you can believe that is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: if the Almighty, in his grace, basically makes you alive spiritually.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Because these things are spiritually discerned. They're not logically discerned.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Their foolishness to man, these things must be spiritually appraised.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And so the Almighty, by his grace makes you alive, literally,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: spiritually alive, so that then you can discern the truth
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: of not only the Gospel, but everything, the totality of
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: what is contained in scripture. It's called the doctrine of election.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: And so when I say I wonder if the Almighty's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: calling you, what I mean is I wonder if you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: are one of the almighties elect oh boy, And if
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: you are, you better hold on to your British son.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I oftentimes wonder what's going on and why me.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you must, man, you must, It doesn't make sense.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: You must, And I hate you know that's a personal thing, man,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't. I hope you don't take that as
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: any disrespect. It's just for me seeing it's it's odd
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: how much we have in common, seeing what what a
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: special human being you are, Like it's exciting for me
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: to be able to hope that the Almighty is indeed
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: calling you, Like that's exciting, dude. Like I pray, like literally,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I prayed for you last night, Like I literally on
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: your behalf. I beg the Almighty too, basically make you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: alive spiritually so that you could have discernment and be
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: able to appraise these things that are in scripture that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: have seemed like foolishness for so long to you, you
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: know what they seem like foolishness for me to me
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: for a long long time. Dude.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: What changed?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a bunch of wild stuff. Man.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: And when I take you back while we're in the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: middle of this, I'd love to take you back to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: like how you got on this journey of being a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: podcaster and then to that because I want to know,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: like what is the transition from the seals to becoming
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: This guy's very outspoken on YouTube and starts putting these
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: videos out and things get interesting, and then you very
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: very religious and spreading that in your YouTube as well. Like,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: how did this whole journey get started for you?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I had I decided I wanted to become a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: seal because I wasn't really good at anything else in life,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: and I, you know, didn't want to go back to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: school and all that stuff. That's a whole long story,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: but I decided I wanted to do that. I finally
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: I went to join the Navy. They disqualified me, sent
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: me back home after boot camp, wouldn't let me go
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: to buds told me I never would be able to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: become a seal because I had a pair of cardial
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: cyst on my heart, seven centimeters cyst on my heart.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: You can look it up research Navy Seal pair of
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: cardial cyst. You can read the whole medical journal. I'm
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: the only one came back home, paid for my own
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: heart surgery as a civilian, showed back up in the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Navy less a year later, made it all the way
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: through seal training unscathed.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: So what they have do They have to remove the cyst.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to cut my chest open and take
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a big old cyst off.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Big as the did they have to open your ribs,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: the whole deal from here to here?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Also they go through Yeah, they peeled my peck up,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: peeled it up, cut me open right there, and went
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: in there and took that cyst off.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: How long did it take to recover from that?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Took me a bout a year. I was back in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: the Navy about a year after that surgery. Uh. You know,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: but but I if it wouldn't have been for that,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it through seal training. Man, I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: didn't even know a swim. Dude, I am not a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: swim That's great. I was the most unlikely person to
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: ever make it through seal training. Okay, hands down.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Did you have any background in physical fitness?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: Nothing, Lord, No, I didn't move.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: It took me. It took me two or three months
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to pass a mile and a half run.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, made it through seal training, all this and that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: good stuff. I had a very colorful career. Uh, started
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: off real good, got real bad. I mean, I've been
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: through it all. I've been in seal training. At the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: end of our BUDS prep phase. You know, I was
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: awarded the hard Charger award. You know, everybody selected me.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: The instructor Cadre said, you're the one that's gonna make it.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I was actually the only one to ever received that
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: award to make it through that training pipeline. Everyone else
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: they had selected up until that point all quit. But
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: they selected me, not based on my physical abilities, but
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: based on the fact that I had had a dang
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: heart surgery just to have a chance to toe the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: line to try something that everybody quits. Anyways, So did.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: You train for the Seal training? Did you give yourself
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: enough time to get physically fit.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: After that heart surgery. When I went in the first time,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I could barely pass the physical standards test that I
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: needed to pass to get the Seal contract. If I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: would have went straight through and wouldn't have had that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: heart surgery, there's no way I would have made it.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to meet the physical standards.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Once I actually got to BUDS, there's no way. But
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: when I had to heart surgery and then I finally
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: got to where I could, you know, okay, man, I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: want At that point, I wanted it so bad because
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I had to go through all that. You see what
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I didn't want it that bad until I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: had to go through all that pain and fear and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: have my chest cut open and all this crap. But Man,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: when I came out the other end of that, like
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I said, Man, I was like a game rooster.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: It was like you look into the eye of a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: game rooster and he's got one burning hot desire. It's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: to fight. I Man, You a man appreciates combat sports,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: You or to go watch a cock fight one day.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, just that's what I had. I just had
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: this burning hot desire for this thing. Nothing was going
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: to stop me. Made it all the way through. Man.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of ups and downs in my
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: time in the teams. That's a whole that's that's a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: three hour long story. But we got plenty of time. Basically, Man,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I got to my seal team and they had slotted
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: our entire team to cover down on Africa and a
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: couple other European countries. And I got so pissed because
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a war happening. Like that's the reason
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I joined, Like everybody that joined wants to go and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: fight in this war, and here now I'm wind up
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: at this place that's you know, not going to go
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: where everybody wants to go. I got so hateful and uh,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: through the course of a couple of years, I just
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: got involved in all manner of what I would call sin,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: all manner drunkenness, sleeping around with women, hurting people on
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: on purpose, hateful, terrible person. I didn't love anybody, and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: the whole down what the downfall of it is. I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: was overseas, I was on a and we had a
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: range day. The night before I had went out and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: just burned it down. Son, I had no business going
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: to the range that day. I'm gonna go ahead and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: tell you, but what do you do? You get up
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: and go to range? Right, I'm setting over there on
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the range, messing with my gun, pretty out of it,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: and I have a negligent discharge and the guy that's
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: standing beside me is my gunner's mate, and it barely
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: skims him in the side of his leg and it
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: was pointed down, thank god, pointed down. That happened. And
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: that was the thing that like like stopped me in
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: my tracks, Like, holy crap, Chad, if you keep going
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the way that you're going, You're gonna kill somebody, you
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean, I was involved in
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: all manner of sin. Buddy stopped me right there. I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: had to go through a triadent review board, a disciplinary
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: review board, of captain's mass, the whole nine yards. Luckily,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I had a good enough reputation up to that point
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: that I had guys that vouched for me, specifically my
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: sea daddy, Jake Hubman. He rode a whole long thing,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Chad's Chad's done well, he's this is, you know this
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: and that, and they presented that, and the Navy let
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: me stay in keep my tried in well, went back home,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: moved in with some lesbians, still continuing on this path
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: or this just trajectory of just ugliness, just hatefulness, you
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I had kind of started
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: hiding it a little more.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I was at work. I was like, Okay, if
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I might to go to work, I'm gonna have to
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: square myself away a little bit, you know. Tell you
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: how hateful I was this man, Jake Hubban and my
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: sea daddy. He uh. He started struggling with alcoholism shortly
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: after I had that big mistake. Well, I got back
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: in a platoon and they told us, they said, well,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you know Jake struggling with alcoholism. We're sending him off
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: to this rehab program. They said, uh, just leave him alone. Well,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: remember I told you I can forget people exist. I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: just forgot he existed. A couple months later, he killed hisself.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: That's what kind of friend I was. That's what kind
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: of person I was. Here's this guy who that's the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: kind of person that I still am sometimes today. What
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: a what there is? There's literally nothing good in me,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced of that. Here's this man who had poured
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: so much into me, literally trained me up, taught me
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: the ways of war. It's on account of his mentorship
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: probably that I was able to stay alive throughout the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: course of my career. And I just turned my back
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: on him when he was going through the hardest time
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: of his life. He kills hisself. I don't ever get
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: to make that up. I just ignored him. That's the
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Does this describe to you? The type
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: of person that I was. That's pretty bad, ain't it? Brother?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I Mean that's pretty bad.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: That's pretty standably selfish, given the circumstance.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: So I get back in upltune, get ready deploy again.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: I'm keeping my wickedness under control, you know, outwardly, but
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: it's still all there.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Well, we go up to Tunisia and North Africa and
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Arabs attacked the embassy up there. When all that been
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: gauzy and that stuff went down, it happened all over
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: North Africa. So we went up there resecured end. See,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: we came back. We left there and came back to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Germany to rejock our equipment because that mission was over
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: in Tunisia. Came back to Germany to rejock, and then
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: we were going out to Nigeria. And while we were
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: in Germany, the only way for me to tell you
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: this in just simple terms is we were staying in
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: a barracks that was inhabited by some sort of demon.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: And that is that was the genesis of my conversion,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: of me being made aware that.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, So when you say it's inhibited by a demon,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: like in what way?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: So I was in there with a couple of other guys.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I wish I would have wrote all this down.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I was laying in bed one night in this place
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: we had we this. There was nobody else in this building,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: just me and a couple. There were me and a
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: guy in one room, and two other guys in the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: room across the hall there. Okay, well, I'm laying in
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: bed and I and all of a sudden, I'm jolted
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: awake by something that hits my door. And I lay
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: in bed for maybe thirty seconds. And while I'm laying
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: there listening, I can hear some strange voices echoing up
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: and down the hall of this building that we're in.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: And so immediately I get up, open the door, walk out,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: nobody's out there, walk around, nobody's in the building. Go
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: in my buddy's room beside me. They're both passed out.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: But it scared me, dude, I was like, what on
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: earth is this? It scared me. And these things, these
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: things would like the oven would be turned on, like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: these bumps and noises and but but more than all
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: of that, there became this this oppressive feeling of of
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: like evil in this place.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: And the guys that I were with, that I was
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: with in there, they started getting freaked out about it too.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: We called our senior chief, who had been staying there
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: before us, it was just like an old empty place
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: that guys would come and stay in for a few
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: nights before they left out. We called our senior chief like, hey, man,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: did you have any strange experiences in this place? He
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, yeah, there's something, there's something in there,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: and uh so. But but like I remember walking into
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: this place and I would there was a stairwell. I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: would walk up the first flight of stairs, and then
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: there would be a second flight that cut back and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: there was like a landing up there because we were
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: staying on the second deck. And uh like I would,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: you know, as a hunter, like how you have that
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: sense when something is like staring at you, Like you would.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I would feel this thing staring at me up there
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: on that landing, and I would fully expect to turn
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: around and see some sort of something up there, and
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I never saw it in physical form. We started doing
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: this research online about, you know, looking at these forms
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: and stuff about this place that we were, you know,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: in and finding all kinds of other stuff about it.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, whatever is going on here?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I can't sleep at night, Like I don't want to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: be in that place cause it's it's literally scaring me.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: That bad, and the sanity check was the dudes I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: was with were getting freaked out too, and like I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: wish I would have talked to them and written down
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the things that they were specifically experiencing that I would
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: It's been so long ago, man, Like the experience that
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: I had was so powerful Like that just is the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: one thing that sticks in my mind. But I remember
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: the two guys across the hallway. One of them had
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: to leave, they were going out to a different site,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: and that dude, the other dude, was left in that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: room by hisself. He moved across the hallway to stay
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: in the room that me and my guy were we
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: because they didn't want to see he didn't want to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: stay in that room by hisself, Jesus. And so I
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: was literally at my wits end with this, Like I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: was so like I couldn't sleep it how long to stay? Therefore,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: this would have probably went on for about a week. Yeah,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: this probably would have went on for about a week. Uh,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: we were there for maybe two weeks. And so I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: called my little brother at my wits end because again
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: I just told you the type of person that I was,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I had no you know, interest in spiritual matters. I
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: didn't belie even demons or spiritual warfare or God or
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: any of that, right, But I'm like, here are now.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I have encountered something that seems very real to me,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and it's it's not in this realm. Here's some sort
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: of entity that I don't know how to combat. I
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: call my little brother because I knew my little brother
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: was a Christian, and I said, well, here's one of
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: these Christians. They'll have a little bit of maybe a
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: little bit of insight on this spiritual stuff that might
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: be going on here. He said, well, man, he said,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I ain't never rent into nothing like that. He said,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you in touch with my pastor of
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: my local church here. They were real close. His name's
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: James Cordell. James called me the next day and I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: told him what all was going on. Well, he acted
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: like it was no big deal. I said, now, buddy,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: I said, you don't understand. I said, there's something in here.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It ain't no big deal,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: he said, put me on speaker phone. He said, I'm
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: gonna walk around. He said, walk around this building, in
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: up and down the hallways, and he said I'm going
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: to pray, and I put him on speakerphone. I'm walking
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: around this building, up and down the hallways. In my room,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: He's praying against this thing in the name of Jesus Christ.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: He said, all right, now, we had a little kitchen
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: at there. He said, you have some olive oil in there.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, we got a bottle. He said, take
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: just a little dab of that olive oil and just
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: dab it on the top of your doorframe there. So
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I did it. Joe. I'm thinking the whole time, this
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: is so stupid, But what else do I do in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: this situation. Let's try this, right, Let's let's give this
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: a shot. And I dab that little olive oil up there,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: and we get off the phone. I leave, go to work.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: We come back that evening wind down total, like peace
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: had returned to this place. Like I didn't no longer
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: heard or felt or was experiencing any sort of fear
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: or anything like it all was gone, like all of
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: a sudden, it was just like, oh, okay, now I'm
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: just in another little barracks room here, Like, do.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: The other guys feel the same way?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: So this is what's funny. I didn't tell the other
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: guys that I did that, and because they were all
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: gone when I walked around with this crazy man on speakerphone, embarrassing, embarrassing,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, in a certain sense, it's still embarrassing to
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: tell that story today.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: This is foolishness, man, Like you're asking me to tell
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: this story on this platform like this. It's hard, you
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, because who's gonna believe this? Like like,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't care. I'm just telling you, like what
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I remember that experience as and it impacted me so
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: much that it changed the trajectory of my entire life.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: And uh, the next morning, we woke up and my
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: buddy woke up in the room. He said, what's all
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: over the door? And I looked up and that little
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: dab of olive oil had somehow like dripped down and
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: covered the entire door of the room that we were
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: staying in, and you could see it toward the bottom
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: of the door, like the drips, like the whole door
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: was like shiny, and uh, he said, what's all over
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: the door? And I said, don't worry about it, man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the crap that is. Because I
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: was so embarrassed to tell him that I had done that.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: But it was just a dab of all It was
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: just literally a dab of olive. I don't I don't
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: even know where that fits into the whole experience. I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: don't even know where or how that fits in. I
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: don't even know what this thing was or why this
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: thing would have been attached to a place like I
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: don't understand that, man, I don't, And I'm again I'm
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: not like big on this whole spiritual warfare thing. But
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: after that happened, all that happened, no more nothing in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: this place. I said, I have got to get my
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: hands on a on scripture and figure out more about
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: this figure Jesus. Who I heard this man praying in
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: the name of right, because there's obviously there was some
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: power like being wielded there by the name of Jesus
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: in prayer. And so I did. I got my hands
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: on a Bible. I started reading the Book of Matthew.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I began my again the look through this. This, this
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: was obviously the experience that the Almighty had chosen to
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: call me out of darkness into the marvelous light of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: his truth. Opened the Bible. I had seen the Bible before.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I had, you know, heard it read. I had even
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: read it before in the in the past, but it
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: was never anything that meant any. I couldn't understand it,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, what the crap is
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: this trying to say to me?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Here?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: I began to read in the Book of Matthew, and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: I began to Uh, Well, I for the first time
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: in my life, I realized how all of that applied
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: to me as the hopeless, wicked, ugly, depraved human being
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: that I I. Like, my mind was awakened to my
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: own state. I didn't realize how ugly and depraved I was,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: like when I let my when when I passed up
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: on my friend and he killed himself, Like I didn't
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: think nothing of that. I just had this this revelation
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: of who I was and why why I so needed
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: something to save me from that. And when I had
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: that revelation, literally by the grace of God opening my
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: making me spiritually, spiritually alive able to discern the scriptures.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: When I had that revelation, I read about Jesus, his life,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: his death, why he died according to the scriptures, his resurrection.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: What that means for me? I it changed everything, Like
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: literally I was made a new creature overnight. It's the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: greatest miracle that God the Almighty could ever work, is
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: taking somebody like me who was literally so useless, making
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: me alive, making me a brand new creature, waking up
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: the next day, and being completely changed in how I
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: see the world, how I see myself, how I see
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: the words on these pages, how I see the creator
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: of the cosmos. That's a miracle like nothing else that
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I have experienced in life produced that amount of change
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: nearly instantaneously. And I'll ever get walking down into the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: platoon hut like the next day after having this revelation
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: of the Gospel and what it means for me and
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: who I am, and like, dude, I didn't. It's crazy, man.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: It literally changed my desires like that. That's the miracle, right,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: Like how do you change your desire? How do you
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: internally change your desires? Like I didn't. I had no
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: appetite for pornography anymore, I had no appetite for the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: foul language that I used, Like I had no appetite
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: for gossip. Like overnight, literally overnight, like my literal desires
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: were changed. And that was the ultimately more so, the
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: more so than the whole thing that was going on
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: in the barracks and the guy saying the prayer and
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: this thing leaving like that experience of being made a
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: new creature and the realization of what on earth just
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: has happened to me, that was the thing and is
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: the thing that I cling to so tightly, Like nothing
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: else could have produced that that type of change in me,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: but the grace of God and the revelation that He's
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: given me of who I am and who He is.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: And then as you go, this has been from then
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: to now just a long and arduous, sometimes sometimes joyful,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: but process of sanctification. Essentially, one of the things that
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: I pray most often is for the Holy Spirit to
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: conform me into the likeness and image of Jesus Christ
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: at all costs, at all costs. Well, first time I
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: prayed that that was hard to pray. Man, you read
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: about Jesus and Isaiah fifty three, what's it say about him?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: He was a man of sorrow, well acquainted with grief.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Comeform me into the image of Christ. And that process
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: of sanctification is ongoing. My understanding of the scriptures is
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: ongoing and progressive even still to this day. And hopefully
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: to the very day that I depart this tent. It's
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: everything to me, man, Like, it's no, no, no, no,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: It's literally everything to me. Some people say, well, Chad
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't sometimes don't you have moments of doubt? Well, yeah,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: be a liar, think about what I believe? Yeah, Like
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: sometimes don't you have moments of doubt? Yeah? I have
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: moments of doubt sometimes, Yeah, for sure. Man. But what
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: I realize is that if I could possibly depart from
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: this faith that I have in the Almighty, if I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: could possibly even depart from that faith, what would I have?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: I'll have nothing? Like, what's what's the what's the point?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: This is the fascinating aspect of this that an atheist
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: needs to take into consideration. What you're talking about had
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: a real result, This belief in faith has had a
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: real transformative result on you as a human being. Now,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: if there was nothing to this, if this is all nonsense,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: and there was a method that you could use, just
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: some sort of a way of viewing the world that
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: would instantaneously change the way you see yourself and see everything,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: wouldn't that method be explored and wouldn't that be taught? Like,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: if this is the thing that brought you to who
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: you are. Now, that's a real thing. Regardless of whether
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: or not anybody wants to believe in Jesus Christ, or
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: believe in the resurrection, or believe in the Gospels. It
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: works like this. That's the thing about Christians, like real Christians,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: and I've been very fortunate to meet a bunch of them.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: I had a weird journey in religion myself because I
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: went to Catholic school when I was in first grade,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: and it kind of ruined me. They were horrible. This
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: nun sister married Josephine. I don't remember anybody from when
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: I was six years old, but I remember that bitch.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: She was so fucking mean man, and just the experience,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: the way they treated children, it was so fear based,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: and I was like, this is not God. God has
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with now. This is people. This is people.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: And it kind of set a tone for my life,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: you know, where I dismissed any notions that there was
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: some sort of truth in these religions. But the more
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: I've explored not just Christianity but many different religions, people
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: are trying to document a truth and it's very hard
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: to decipher through the tongue of man. It's very hard
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: to decide. When human beings write things down, and human
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: being gives state, give statements on things. You have to
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: always take into consideration human nature. Human beings are not
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: that accurate and how they depict things. And then you
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: have the problem with translations. You have the problem with
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: it going from ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: to all these different languages. And then you have the
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: problem with spiritual narcissism. So you have the people that
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: are the conveyors of the message who take on these
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: powers themselves that are above normal men and control people
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: by you know, before Martin Luther came around made a
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: phonetic version of the Bible, very few people could read
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: and very few people could read Latin. They didn't know
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: what it said, so you had to rely on the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: priest to tell you everything. When people started being able
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: to translate these things into different languages, it's wonderful, but
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: also something's probably you know my thing. Rick Strassman, he's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: a scholar. He's the guy who wrote that book, the DMT,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: the Spirit Molecule. He did these these slow drip studies,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: these FDA approved studies, on DMT with people with patients.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: I'm very interested in that.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: He's a fascinating guy. Well, he learned ancient Hebrew just
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: so that he could read the Bible in its native tongue,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: and it took him sixteen years to do that.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I believe it.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a faint ever. Yeah, fascinating guy. I think
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: they were trying, they were writing something down. One of
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: the things that I learned from Wes Hoff Wesley Huff,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: who's a biblical scholar who's been on the podcast. He
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: told me that the Book of Isaiah, when they find
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: it and they found a version of it in the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: Dead Sea Scrolls, that is identical word to word for
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: a version of it that they found a thousand years later.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: That's pretty miraculous a thousand years. Not only that, but
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: what about the content of Isaiah. What about Isaiah fifty
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: three as it describes the suffering servant, how it literally
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: outlines the life and death of Jesus Christ, and it
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: was written what four hundred years before the crucifixion. Like
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: even the content of Isaiah, not only the accuracy of
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: the translation and the accuracy over that span of time
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: when you compare copies, but even the content of it.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: How did this profit write this thing about this person,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: and it was fulfilled perfectly, literally to a t, by
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: the person of Jesus Christ hundreds of years later. So
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: and by the way, man like, I'm not telling you
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: or anyone listening to this, this what what we call testimony,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: like what the Lord's given me experientially in life to
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: share with other people. I'm not telling you this to
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: convince you of anything. There's nothing that I can say
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: to convince you in the truth of the Gospel. Like
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: I truly believe that there's no there's no words that
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: I can use, there's no logic that I can apply.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: There's nothing that I or anyone else can say to
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: convince you of this. And it goes back to what
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: we started off in the conversation with of these things
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: must be spiritually discerned. And it is by grace God's
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: grace that we are made alive and able to discern
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: the truth of these things. That's a hard that's a
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: hard thing to accept. Man like that man is totally depraved,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: and I can't say anything to convince anyone one of
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: the truth of these scriptures. But but the scriptures are dripping,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: literally dripping with that very fact. That's that's the interesting
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: thing about about the Scriptures. They leave nothing for man
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: like it. It's it's almost the single thing that separates
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: what's contained in the Holy Scriptures from other religious philosophy.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: It literally leaves nothing for man.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Meaning? There is nothing that you can do to be
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: made righteous in the eyes of the Creator. There is
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: nothing that you can do to save yourself. As a
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, without the grace and the help of
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: the Almighty, you can't even believe the truth. You won't
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: you won't do it. You are spiritually dead prior to regeneration.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, When you're dead. If we
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: had a dead man land on the floor right here,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: and I said, dead man, harken unto my voice. There
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: is a hospital a mile down the road. And if
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: you'll get up and walk to that hospital, or you'll
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: allow me to take you to that hospital, they'll shock
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: you and bring you back to life. Is he going
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: to respond to that message? He's gonna lay there dead? Right? Yeah,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: we're dead spiritually until we are made alive by the
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: grace of the Almighty. It leaves nothing for man not
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: a thread. It leaves me not a single thread that
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: I can cling to. And then you look at the
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: whole saga of scripture. Well, what's this all about? Anyways?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Let's take it all the way back to Genesis, all
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: the way through Revelation and everything in between. The whole
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: saga is to glorify the Son, Jesus Christ. What's the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: purpose in me even being saved? It's so that I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: can be presented to Christ as his bride.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: We God's people are The whole purpose of our existence
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: is for us to be presented to Jesus Christ as
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: his own people who will glorify him for all eternity.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: It's to glorify the Son. The whole saga that was
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: determined by the sovereign and immutable will of the Father.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: It can be changed, the whole saga. The only purpose
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: of it all is to present and to present this
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: I can't say this word real well, peculiar, peculiar people
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: to the Son as a bride in offering to glorify
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: the Son for all of eternity. The whole saga is
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: to lift up and glorify Jesus Christ. It's the only
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: purpose for me even being saved.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: Then you're convinced of this, Well.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: I think that I'm not convince I'm not convinced of
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: this because that's what I want to believe. Like I'm
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: convinced of this because I'm convinced of the truth of
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: the Holy scriptures and the and and again the entire,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: the entire when you look at the thing from a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot view, I'm convinced of I'm convinced of that.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Not because why would I want to believe that? Why
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: do Why would I want to? If I wrote this story,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: would it not give me something to cling to? Would
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: it not? If I wrote the story, would it not
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: give me some other purpose than just being offered up
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: as a bride to the glorification of the Sun Jesus Christ.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Like if I wrote that story, wouldn't I write it
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: differently than that? Because I'm man right, I would leave
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: myself something to cling to. Surely this salvation means something
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: more than just that I am part of this special
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: people now being offered up as a bride to Christ.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Surely there's something that I can do in this life,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: a choice that I can make to believe in this like,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: surely I have the power to make that choice. But
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: if I had the power to make the choice to
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ in and of myself,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: then that salvation would be coming from me. You see
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When you realize you don't even have
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: the power of choice in you, you are dead. You
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: will not choose it. When you realize you don't even
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: have the power of choice.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: So you believe it has to be that this wisdom
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: has to enter you somehow.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: You are entered by what Scripture calls the Holy Spirit,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: which is the spirit of God who comes and dwells
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: in you. And that is the entity that makes you
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: spiritually alive and gives you the ability to appraise the
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: scriptures essentially spiritual things, because before that it's foolishness.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Have you ever paid any attention to the Shroud of
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: Turn Have you ever looked into it at all?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: I've just seen it pop up, you know as I
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: scroll through.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: Well, they used to dismiss it because they used to
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: say they did a carbon date on it and it
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: was only five hundred years old. But they've since made
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: some revisions to that, and there's a lot of people
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: that believe because of the wear of the cloth, the
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: age of the cloth, and I think they've done subsequent
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: tests that place it around two thousand years old, which
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: is really fascinating. The other thing that's fascinating is they
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: didn't even know what the image completely was until someone
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: took photographs of it and then looked at the negatives,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: and in the negatives, then you get this image of Jesus,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: not just Jesus, but with the scars and the markings
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: on his back, the part of his body where he's pierced,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: the piercings on the wrists, And they really do believe
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: that this thing is two thousand years old. And the
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: other thing that's strange is they have no explanation as
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: to how that image was created. They think that image
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: was created somehow from some sort of a burst of energy.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: It's not stained, it's not dyed, and it's not something
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: that's easily reproduced, especially if you think about the timeline
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: if this is supposedly a forgery, like, how would they
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: make an image that would only show up in a
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: negative and what would be the motivation to fake this
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: in this manner? See if you can get some photos.
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  Speaker 1: What it looks like, Jamie, you know what I love
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: about what you're saying, Joe. It's it's so amazing how
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: they almighty works and each of us differently.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Like look at this, this is this image. If you
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: see the original, see the originals to the left, like
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: they didn't you know, they saw that and they're like, huh,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: what is this? But once you look at it with
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: the negative, show the negative again, the black and white.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Once you see the negative of it, so you make
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: that larger, then it starts getting very strange because you
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: look at the piercings on the wrist and there's these
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: blood stains in these areas. It's very strange.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a very large piece of cloth. I think
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: it's I think it wrapped his entire body and so
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: it was like seven feet long, and then they folded
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: it so it's his back and his front. So he
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: was inside of this thing. And this is the image.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: I think it was debunctories was it debunked again? I
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: think so, But they say, now.
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  Speaker 4: I remember seeing something about it. They found some sort
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: of processes that have been around for a few hundred
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: years that do some sort of this like negative transfer.
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  Speaker 3: But did they know that two thousand years ago, I think.
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  Speaker 4: The carbon dating has been readjusted.
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  Speaker 3: To Oh really, what are they saying?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: No, I mean I typed in debunks and I was
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: looking through a few articles.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: See, there's people that believe, and there's people that don't believe,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: and it gets weird. It gets weird because there's a
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: lot of people that want to debunk things. A new
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: research shows that the carbon dating of the shroud is fake,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: findings that it was the carbon dating that was fake,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: not the shroud. This is a central conclusion.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: There's a few articles about it being fake. But again
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: I don't I mean, I don't know if they're one
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: hundred percent like this is fake or if they're just haters,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: you know, right.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me about the body of Christ,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: the physical body like is being transposed onto that uh shroud,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: whether it's trail or not. Have you ever thought about
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: this if you think about going back to talking about
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: death and why do we have to die? Why is
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: it a necessity for all humans? Well, the scripture tells
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: us that for human the reason that we must die
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: is because of sin. Right, that started with the very
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: first sin of man and woman in the very beginning, right,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: because scripture tells us that man was created to exist
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: eternally in the beginning, the human physical form. But when
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: man sin, a lot of things happened. Uh death, that's
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: the moment scripturally, that's when death entered the equation. So
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: this sin is a big problem, like that is the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: genesis of death entering the equation and becoming a reality
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: for all men. I wonder a lot what happened when
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: that sin caused death in man. It's almost like it
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: changed man's genetic makeup. It's almost like man was created
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: in the beginning to exist in a physical body eternally,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: meaning he had perfect genetics. Right, he could exist, nothing decayed,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: he could continue on for all eternity. He also had
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: the ability to be in the presence of the almighty
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: in some way, the human brain could interact with the almighty.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: But when sin under the equation, it's almost like man's
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: genetic code was marred and death entered the equation and
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: we began to age. And it even when I think
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: about it along those lines, it's totally theoretical. Theoretical by
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: the way, that's how we inherit our sinful nature is
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: because the result of sin actually changed the genetic makeup
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: of the of man's physical body, and therefore, by necessity,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: he now has to die because he ages. And also
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: we lost our ability to perceive the Almighty and to
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: actually converse with him, and we lost something in our brain. Right,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: That's why I wonder about that DMT stuff. We lost,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: like we lost some something in our brain that originally
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: allowed us to see into this other realm and converse
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: with this almighty being. We lost the ability to do
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: that because of sin, which brings me to the body
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: of Christ. The interesting thing about the body, physical body
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ. He was the only man, according to
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: scripture who ever fulfilled the law of God completely and perfectly,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: which means his physical body, his literal physical body, was
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: not affected by sin, which is the thing that is
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: causing all of us to die by necessity. And I
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: just wonder if that physical body, if the body of Christ,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: if Christ would have grown to maturity, which he did,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: which was when about when he started his ministry, was
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: full adult maturity. I wonder if he would not have
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: been crucified, if he could have lived in that physical
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: body forever, if the aging process would have stopped and
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: he would have never had to die because the effects
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: of sin were not upon him. The curse was not
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: upon him. And it makes me think about that body
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: because they took his body off the cross laid it
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: in the tomb. When we die, our bodies begin to
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: go through decay very quickly. You've seen that killing animals.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: You kill something within a few hours starts to get
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: kind of blowed up, stiff as a board. After a
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: bout a day, it stinks all nasty. He died, They
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: put him in that tomb. He was there for three days.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: That body didn't decay. The spirit then re entered that
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: same body, and that body, that same body rose up
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: and eventually ascended into heaven. He took that body with
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: him into this other realm. It just makes me wonder,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: like what the human body was like in the beginning,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: when we were created perfectly with this mental ability to
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: interact with this other realm, converse with the almighty, the
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: absence of sin. In other words, our genetics were perfect.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: The human body was perfect. It would not die.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: So this is if you're taking the Old Testament absolutely
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: and literally, and if that, if you do that, how
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: do you what do you think about evolution do you
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: think about I've.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Been thinking about evolution a little bit here lately.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: The various forms of humans that have been detected, including
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: recently Denisovan's was that one? Julien's what's that one? The giant,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: huge headed people that they don't even know how big
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: they were. They think they were quite a bit larger
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: than us. They found multiple types of humans, obviously Neanderthals.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: But well, if you can't tell by now. I like
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: to think about things I love. I love it's fun,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: it's fun, you know what I mean. Like, the whole
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: thing I just talked about was like totally theoretical, Like
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I can't prove any of that. But when I think
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: about evolution, one of the first things that's striking to
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: me is how on Earth? Well, first of all, consciousness
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: is a big problem. You mentioned that earlier. But how
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: on Earth did we as the beings that we are,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: or we could take any being on Earth and use
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: it as an example. How do we go through how
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: many millions or do some say billions of life? Of years?
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: Not evolutions, but for life, yeah, just life? Would how
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: long ago did life first appear on Earth? I think
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: single celldoorisms, it's like three billion years.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Now, what I'm about to do here is I'm about
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: to apply some country boy logic.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: Here, Joe, here it goes. It's a three point five billion.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Three point five billion years from life to what we
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: are as beings. Now, now, look, are you ready for
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: this country boy logic?
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: So?
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: How on earth did we go through three point five
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: billion years of evolution and being shaped by our environment?
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: And here we are after three point five billion years
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: and we can't stay around for more than about seventy
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: five years and everything around us can kill us. Like
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: if I think about now again, country boy logic. Here,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: if I think a three point five billion year long
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: process of an organism being shaped by its environment, I
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: would like to hope it would produce something a little
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: better well than what we are today.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: What it's produced is pretty fucking extraordinary comparison to in
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: comparison to all the other animals, Like.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: There's human in human in humans.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing, nothing is even close. And then you have
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: to think of how long humans have been around in
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: this form at least according to science, they believe it's
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the neighborhood of three hundred to five hundred
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: thousand years. Based on the fossil evidence, it could go
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: further or back. Probably go further back. Eventually they'll probably
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: figure it's like six or seven. But there's a timeline.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: There's a timeline when Homo sapiens existed and when they
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: didn't exist before. And then there's a bunch of different
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: forms of human. There's a bunch of different hominids, different
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: bunch of there's you know, there's a Neanderthal chromag then
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: there's there's a ton of them. So what we've been
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: able to achieve in this very relatively speaking, when you
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: think about three point five billion, which is a number
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: that you can't really comprehend. You say it, but it's
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: it's too big, it's too big to really wrap your
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: head around. Think about the behavior characteristics that you can
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: breed into your dogs in a short period of time.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Now, now I am, I am. I heartily agree and
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: believe in adaptation. Yeah, heartily agree in different forms, drastically
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: different forms of human.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: Look at just dogs. Just look at dogs. Your dog
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: came from a wolf. Okay, I have two dogs. I
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: have a Golden Retriever and I have a spaniel. This
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: little puppy that we just got and both of them
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: also descended from wolves, and it's ridiculous they have zero
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: killer instinct other than squirrels. By dog Marshall who kills
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: squirrels and turtles, but he's not a wolf. He's some
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: sort of a new thing that we've created through selection
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: and breeding and forced adaptation over time. It's a totally
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: different animal, just like we are. We are a totally
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: different animal than Neanderthal, a totally different animal to ancient man.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: We're just different. We're different in some way. You go
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: and especially if you go way back to Australia Epithescene
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: and all these different animals that these different hominids that
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: were very primitive, much more ape like than us, there's
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: a path you could see it. It's like there's a
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: lot of mysteries. The big one is the doubling of
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: the human brain over a period of two million years.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: That's a crazy one. One of the things that I
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: always wonder when you're reading, particularly the really old text,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: when it gets into like the Dead Sea Scrolls and
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: when it gets into the the the Old Testamentary and
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: even stuff that's before that, it's like, what were they
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: trying to remember? Because you got to remember before this
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: stuff was even written down, it was an oral history
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: for about a thousand years. What would they? What would they?
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: What was the original story? And that's where I think
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: the truth is. I think there's truth. I don't think
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: these people were making up myths and fairy tales. I
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: think that's that's a silly way to think about it.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's much more likely that some immense events
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: had happened over the course of human history and these
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: people were trying to document it with whatever limited ability
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: to express themselves that they had at the time. Yeah,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: there's something there. It's just the problem I always have
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: with all religions is man. The tongue of man is
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: human beings and our desire to We use hyperbole, we exaggerate,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: we change times, we changed it. We write things that
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: make ourselves look better than we should. History is written
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: by the winners. It's very difficult to know, like what
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: was the genesis of it? What was the original thing
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: that they were trying to write down. But I think
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: there's truth in the original thing.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: Man, you're headed in the right direction when you said
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: the problem you always have is with man. Yes, Man
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: is indeed the problem, my friend, Yes, you are headed
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: down the right path.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: Man, Well, we are the problem, but we are also
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: seeking solutions. People like you, people like me, people that
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: want to be better people. And there's a lot of
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: people out there that are listening to this, people that
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: want a better world, they want a better society, and
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: they recognize that there's certain things that you can do
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: both to change your life and to inspire others. Like
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: that's there's a reason for those instincts. They're not necessarily
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: even self serving. A lot of them are community serving,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: and that's in a way self serving because the more
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: healthier community is, the better you'll feel, the better your
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: life will be. There's reward systems that are built into
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: our tribal nature, and there's a lot of good to that.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: And I think, like I said before, like if you
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will have
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: a better life. If you believe it, you will and
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: you live by it, you will have a better life.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: But there's that weird jump that you have to make, right,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: there's the weird jump where you have to you have
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: to abandon this logic, critical thinking and logical mind and
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: accept that there's an extreme value in living this way,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: and it's not It hasn't been around for all these
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: years by accident. And I really do believe that at
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: the origins, and I just we all wish we could know,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: we could hear it. Like that's the frustrating thing about it.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: This is all really the word of God, Like, hey,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: come back and give us a refresher course, how about
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: you know, like maybe we're not bad. We just need
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: to know.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, Joe, I should just let
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: you talk the whole dang podcast, man, because you are
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: so good at this summing stuff up and getting to
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: the root of of questions and things. And you know,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: like like you know, you talked about that whole that
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: that transition from just like living it out to have
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: a better life to all of a sudden like placing
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: your entire hope in this message of the Gospel. Like
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: that's that transition that I was talking about that you
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: can't choose, you know what I mean?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: Like, so you're.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: You're, you're, you're summarizing all of this so well, man.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me too that you know, the
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: Almighty has these plans for each of us his sons
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: and daughters, and he leads us each along this path
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: to the ultimate revelation that we are searching for. But
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: every path looks different. And it's so interesting to me
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: to get to hear you speak this way because he
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: led me along this path that involved this spiritual warfare.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: What was I I was a warrior, like I understood warfare.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: I understood encountering an enemy. And that's the story I
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: told you. You know, he kind of led me to this
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: ultimate revelation and to this regeneration along the lines of that.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: I have to believe that, and I have to hope
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: that He is leading you along this path, specifically the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: way you're experiencing it, because that's how your mind works. Man,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: Like you're a master. You are intelligent, You understand things.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: You want things to be somewhat logical and orderly, and
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like the shrouded turn thing, or you know,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: any of these other artifacts or the Dead Sea scrolls
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: or something like like, I can do without knowing about
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: all that and be just fine. But according to the
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: way the Almighty made you, maybe you can't do without
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: all that stuff and be just fine because you're different
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: than me, you know what I mean? So I want you, Man,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: it sounds so weird because we just met. But like,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: I want you, man, to be confident in the direction
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: that you're going with the questions that you ask and
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: the way that you search, because that's beautiful. Man.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Yeah, it's beautiful. I'm blessed with the time.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: I'm blessed with the time to ponder things.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: You know that that is a very big blessing, man.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: It is because if you're too busy and your life
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: is too overwhelmed with obligations, and I have a lot
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: of them. But fortunately for me, a lot of my
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: job gives me time, gives me time to think a
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: lot of what I do, and a lot of these
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: conversations give me time to think and talking to different
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: people with different perspectives, different life experiences and what they're
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out, because we're all trying to figure out,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: like what is the purpose of this? Like what am
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: I doing here? And some of the most miserable, anxiety
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: ridden people that I know have no belief system. Some
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: of the most miserable anxiety driven people that I know
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: are atheists, and some of the most angry and bitter
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 3: and attacking and condescending and atheists and also Christian. Yeah, well,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of Christians that way too. Yeah. Well,
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of Muslims that way. There's a lot
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: of Buddhists that way. There's a lot of people that
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: are full of shit. And that's you know, that's with
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: everything like that. You can get a good plumber, you
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: can get a terrible plumber, you know, And it's just
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: how human beings vary considerably.
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  Speaker 1: There's a philosopher that Martin Luther quotes in his book
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: The Bondage of the Will, and this philosopher says, you
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: can make anything out of anything, and he's talking about scripture.
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  Speaker 1: You can take the Holy scriptures and you can make
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  Speaker 1: anything out of them that you want to make out.
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  Speaker 3: Of them, right, if you want to interpret it.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: You can make anything out of anything. And that's where
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: we have these issues. Uh. You know, people people love
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  Speaker 1: to point out the hypocrisy in the body of Christ,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: the visible Church, Christians, people who proclaim to be Christians,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of Christians, and and I would agree with
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. There is a lot of hypocrisy
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: and and a lot of what the visible Church does
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: is makes what they want to make out of the
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: scriptures in order to control people. M h, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that that that that that's like huge.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: Man, and there's these are also the issue of megapastors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: You know, when you think about a rock star, think
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: about someone who's selling out an arena, right. You think
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: about a preacher, you think about like a Joel Olstein
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: type character. Unfortunately, because they're more popular than any of
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: the other ones, and so that becomes that's a far
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: it's on the far spectrum, a fringe figure. You know,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: Rolls Royce's private jets, expensive suits. All of it's fucked.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: None of it makes any sense, None of it seems
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: remotely Christian right to be to amass billions of dollars
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  Speaker 3: in enormous plots of land and have huge houses and
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: you're flying around in sixty five million dollar planes.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: Dude, you're a comedian. You gotta watch this dude named
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: Jesse Duplantis.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: Is he a comic?
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he's he's like a mega preacher. But dude,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: you just.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: The charts.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: You know that's how started one of the greatest comedians
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: have not the greatest of all time. Sam Kennison started
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: out as a ten preacher.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: Well you know when people like to point out the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: hypocrisy of Christians, like, I get what you're saying, man like,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: and how religion is used to control people in some way.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: You can make anything out of anything. But here's the thing,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: here's here's how I would respond to you as a Christian. Yes,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: you are right. I am a hypocrite. I am a liar,
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: I am a cheater. Now I'm not really a thief
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: per se. I don't steal. I covet people the things
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: that they have, the things of this world I hate. Uh,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: I do all of those things. That's the point, Like
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: in that realization of who I am, it's it's that
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: that revelation is the foundation of my clinging to Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I see what you're saying.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: Like clinging to do I want to do those things? No,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do those things. But there is
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: something in me, there is a remnant in me that
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: leads me to do things that I don't want to do.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: And the things that I want to do I don't
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: actually do now, not one hundred percent of the time,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: Like that's not my desire. But when I actually when
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: I do those things. Now, the difference is my response
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: to them. So, like I told you how wicked I
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: used to be, well, you know, used to be. If
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: I had an argument with my wife. You know, maybe
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: I was rushing out the door and maybe I yelled
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: at my wife and I went out and got my
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: truck and went to work. The rest of the day,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: I would be justifying my yelling at my wife. She
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: deserved to be yelled at. Screw her man, like she's
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: in the wrong. Now when I do those things, I
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: yell at my wife, I walk out the door the
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: same thing that I did before, but I do it
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: now and I get in my car and it crushes me. Dude,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe I just did the thing
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: that I know I don't want to do, but I
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: did it. Anyways, it's my response to those things. The
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: most I think accurate way or picture to describe this.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: Remember I told you I woke up the next day
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: and like my desires had changed. Yes, the most accurate
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: way I've heard this described is if you had two
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: plates of food. Now you know, you had a plate
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: of the finest food and then you had a bucket
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: of garbage. You turn a pig loose into the room.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: The pig is going to go and stick his head
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: in that bucket of garbage and eat that garbage before
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: he eats the food off of that fine plate, because
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: he likes the smell of garbage. He's attracted to the
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: taste and the smell of that. We have pigs at
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: the house, Like, this's what he would do. He would
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  Speaker 1: go eat the garbage before he ate the good stuff.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: And so that pig he's eating that garbage, and there's
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: this good stuff right here next to him, and he
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't even he's not even ashamed that he's eating that garbage,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: because he's a pig. If you had the power to
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: snap your fingers and to turn that pig into a man,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: that man would then lift his head up out of
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: that garbage and he would look around him and he
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: would be ashamed that he had been eating that garbage,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: and he would depart from that garbage and go to
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: the finer food. Right. Yeah, that's what he would do.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's the transition that I tried to describe
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: to you earlier, how I was changed overnight. It was
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: like I no longer desired garbage more than I desired
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: the fine things that the Lord has offered to me.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: My desires changed, right, I see what we're saying, But
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: we still go back like that. There's a remnant of
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: that pig in us, and every now and then we
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: want to go back and eat that garbage, but we're ashamed.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: We don't want anybody to see us, and we're ashamed
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: and it upsets our stomach and we respond to it differently.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of the change and tying this
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: all back into well, why don't why aren't Christians perfect?
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: They say they preach all this stuff as a preacher
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: or as a teacher. The closer you preach the true
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: literal word of Scripture in terms of standards, the closer
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: you get to that standard that's portrayed by Scripture, the
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: more of a hypocrite you are going to become because
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: you can't meet it.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: M So, but what you're saying, though, this is what
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: I was getting at. What you're saying is one of
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: the best examples of the power of being a Christian.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: What I'm talking about is the general perception of people
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: on the outside that don't really maybe don't maybe hang
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: out mostly in secular circles. Maybe they have a bunch
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: of friends that are atheists, and they see religion as
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: this big scam and because the most popular versions of
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: religion for a long time is televised religion. You know,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: that's when you think about people's exposure that aren't religious
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: to religion. What do they hear about scandals? They hear about,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: you know, the pedophilia and the Catholic Church. They hear
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: about money that's being inappropriately spent, and so the versions
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: that they get are like, oh, this is just bullshit
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: to control people. Yeah, and they don't hear enough about
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: like genuine transformation stories and like why this is valuable
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: and why it's also valuable to intelligent people because this
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: has always been this is a misconception or at least
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: a narrative that's pushed out that it's for all minded people.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 3: It's for dull minded people that can't make sense of
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: the world. It's too much confusion to them. So they
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: need a.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: Structure which is totally in alignment with the whole truth
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: that this cross thing is foolishness. Like I understand that.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I mean, well, the fact that you do makes
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: it much more palatable for people to what you were
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: saying makes more sense to people because like, Okay, he's
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: addressing these feelings that I have too.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you read and I think it's First
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: Corinthians chapter two. The apostle Paul is writing like, Hey,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't come to you with these wise words like
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: trying to convince you of anything. I simply have preached
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: to you this gospel. And notice that not many of
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: you who are considered wise, like we're able to believe
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: this because it's it's literally foolishness until you're made alive.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: And it was. It's funny. It was by the almighty, sovereign,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: immutable will that he chose the cross as to be
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: the story of redemption for man. It's funny that he
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: chose the cross, and he did it for his own
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: good pleasure. He chose to destroy the wisdom of man
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: by a message that is seemingly foolish. It's so backwards.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: He chose to destroy man's wisdom, our natural man's wisdom, right,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: all the great things that man has done and known
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: and discovered, he chose to destroy all of that by
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: this foolish message of the cross for his own good pleasure.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: Because man, in his wisdom did not know God when
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: he came here in the body, in the person of
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. They actually killed him, so he said, I'm
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: going to destroy y'all's natural wisdom with this message of foolishness.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 3: Kind of comedic, it is, So if it really did happen,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: it's the most bizarre way. It's to get a message.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: Across, the most bizarre way that you could ever. Like literally,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: even imagine.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: Man now, and imagine you trying to explain to people
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: your experiences with whatever you encountered in those barracks and
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: people hearing that it's the problem with unique experiences that
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: are completely outside of the norm. Well, what's more outside
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: of the norm than the resurrection of Jesus Christ or
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ being actually the son of God? Like, imagine
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 3: trying to explain that to people. They'd be like, what
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: are you talking about? Does this guy's name is Jesus?
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: Like shut the fuck up, Like what are you in
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: a multi level marketing scheme? Like what are you talking about?
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: This guy want money from you? Like what is this guy?
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: This guy fucking your wife? Like what's going on? No, no, no, no, man,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: it's not like that, Like okay, right, right, But if
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: it really is true, you would be stuck. You'd be
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: stuck with this story. And you can't leave that part out. No,
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: you're commanded to tell the entire story. So you have
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: this conundrum right this, This part's gonna sound crazy.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: But he summed it up well, summed it.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: The most fascinating thing of it. But I always tell
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: people look all that, look at it, but also know
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: that if you live that way, and if you believe that,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: and if you follow those teachings, you will have a
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: better life. There's something to it. There's a reason why
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 3: people have been doing it is the reason why true
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: Christians are some of the nicest, most compassionate, friendliest, charitable
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: people that you'll ever meet. There's something to it. There's
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: something to it, there's a there's an the origin of
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: it all. There's there's truth in the origin of it all.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: It's just trying to figure out what it means. And
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: then the translations, even the translations in English that you're reading,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 3: the way they communicate is so different than the way
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: we communicate today. So you have to realize, like the
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: evolution of human discourse over thousands of years, the way
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: we phrase things, the way we describe things, the way
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: we talk about things is all very different. So you
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 3: have to get scholars who understand the original way they
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: talked about these things, and what what what did Why
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: did they say a phrase this way? What is the
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: meaning of this?
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: Isn't it so good that we have men that have
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: dedicated many and women who have dedicated their entire lives,
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: so that.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: You follow that Wesley hoffgot he's fantastic man.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for men like him. H RC Spurrell
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: is is one that I love to read his stuff.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: He's passed now. Martin Luther of course is another one.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: But I mean, because you think about me, like what
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: do I spend a day reading scripture? Two hours a
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: day maybe sometimes three? Like I'm never going to become
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: the expert, right, you know you spend an hour a
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: day or two hours a day doing anything? Yeah, you're
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: never going to become No, you'll be ex proficient, you'll
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: be proficient. Yeah, you'll be able to kind of know
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: your way around it. But the stuff that you're talking
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: about knowing, which is stuff worth knowing, you know, that's
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: the meat that we can consume.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 3: Also, when you're talking about the Old Testament and the
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: New Testament, you put the two of them together, you're
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: dealing with thousands of pages, Yeah, thousands, thousands of pages
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: of very confusing scripture where some of it you're reading
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: you have to read it three or four times and
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: you just got to go, Okay, what is what exactly
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: is he trying to say here?
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: Because you have to figure out how it fits with
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of it. Yes, because you can, you can
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: read it in a way and you're like, this, this
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: is contradictory. If if scripture is contradictory, it is not
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: from God, right, Like it cannot by by nature of
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: what we know about the nature of the Almighty, what's
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: revealed in scripture to us, just about his his nature,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: his attributes. Right. It's one of my favorite things to
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: study the attributes of the Almighty, which we cannot even
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: begin to grasp the fullness of it. But some of
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: his attributes have been revealed to us. And and so
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: if that is his word, it cannot contradict itself because
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: that would go against what we know of ASO who
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: he is, you know what that Yeah.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: But yet sometimes it does seem yeah, samingly and again
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: this is probably the interpretation of man, you know. And
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: this is where it gets problematic, Meaning it is ultimately
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: fascinating that you have something like the Book of Isaiah,
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: where they found an older version that they didn't even
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: know existed. It turns out to be a thousand years older,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: and it's verbatim fascinating, right it is. But before that
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: got written down, they talked about it for a long time,
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: a long time, and so few people could write things
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: down and so few people could read. That's where it
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: gets weird. But I think ultimately, behind it all, they're
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: trying to tell a story. They're trying to tell a
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: fantastic story.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: And I think ultimately too, I think something that you
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: could add to that, Joe, is if, well, if what
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is correct in terms of what I believe
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: about scripture, ultimately there has also to be some divine
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: influence over the preservation of those scriptures. It's the only way, right,
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: It would be the only way for the scriptures in
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: their original language to be truly the word of the
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: Almighty two man, the complete revelation of the Almighty to
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: man like. There has to be some divine influence for
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: that to.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: Happen, right, But then you have to take it back
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: to the origins of it, Like what was that? What
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: was that divine influence?
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: What would what were the experiences?
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: Was it a converse? Was it a how did it?
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: You know? We like we like to uh, you like
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: to kind of the the And here's another thing, man,
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: it all involves faith. It does involve an aspect of faith,
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, because we look at the the
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: letters in the New Testament, who were mostly written by
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: the apostle Paul, and the only way that we can
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: trust that. Okay, this is the literal message from God
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: to us, but it's coming through a man, Like how
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: does that happen? Well, we have to believe that again
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: the Almighty is influencing man through the power of his
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 1: spirit in the man to write the things that the
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: man wrote.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: That's like that That's why this this, this belief in
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit and of the believer actually being possessed
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: with the Spirit of God is so essential, Like it
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: has to be that way or else the apostle Paul
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: is writing his opinions or he's writing based off of
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: his experience, you know, because you could take it all
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: the way back. What did Pilots say to Jesus is truth. Well, well,
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: you know what is like truth? I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: that truth can come from man alone, because everything that
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  Speaker 1: we have experienced is so influenced by our upbringing, by
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  Speaker 1: our perspective, by our memory, by so many factors. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I hate, dude, I hate seeing these guys, these
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: former military guys, attacking each other man about he did this,
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: and he did that, and he didn't do this, and
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: he did didn't do that. I'm like, I mean, some
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  Speaker 1: guys might fly out be you know, telling a fib
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: You know, I get that, right, you know that's not good.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: But man, so many, so many people are recounting experiences
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: that they've had in their life and their service and
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and like all of that is
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: shaped by their unique perspective and the way that their
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: mind works. And you know, it's just like I can't attack.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: I can't attack a dude for that, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. So if we're saying that the Bible is
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: truly the revelation, the perfect revelation of God to man,
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: then we have to understand that the source of that,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: all of that did not come from man. In some way,
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: it was wrought by God through man. If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: It does make sense, and that is the ultimate truth
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: where it all started from. It's just trying to like
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: sift through the tongue of man to get to whatever
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  Speaker 3: that truth is. And then this thing that will ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, unless some same technology comes about, will never know.
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  Speaker 3: We'll never be able to go back in time and
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  Speaker 3: figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem, man, It's an issue.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to my buddy about that while I was
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  Speaker 1: sitting sitting there with him, you know, as he was
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: passing away, and you know, the scripture describes when when
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: you when you leave your physical body here on earth,
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you your spirit basically goes into the present
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: presence of the almighty immediately. But in that state, you're unclothed,
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to be unclothed. And like I was,
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: I'm having all these I lost my train of thought
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: there on what on where we were going with that?
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I forgot the original question, but it
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: was it pertained to something conversation I had with him.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you were talking with him about this this sort
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  Speaker 3: of leap of faith that you have to make.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, that's what I was talking to him.
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  Speaker 1: About I was like, right now, mister Dawn, you that
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: there is an element of faith in in what you believe,
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: like and that that's a problem, like that's it's hard
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: to explain that it's hard, that that's a problem. But
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: when you leave here, like you're no longer going to
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: have to live by faith, like once you get there,
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: you're gonna know you made it Like it's it's it's all.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: But it goes back to what you were saying, like,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: we'll never know. There's always going to be an element
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: of faith in what we believe, like there's there has
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: to be when as it pertains to things of God,
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: there's always going to be a certain element of faith.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 1: That very faith is the gift that the Lord gives
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: to his elect the ability to believe, like that is
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: the gift, that element of faith, that's the gift that
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: I treasure more than anything else that I have in
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: my life. But it's still tough. Remember I told you
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: I have doubts sometime.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: Well that's where the skeptical person steps in and says, well,
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. It's all based on you have to
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: believe in faith because logically it doesn't make any sense,
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: and So this is the problem with that is that
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: you're making this assumption that the human mind is flawless,
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 3: and then it could perceive truth regardless of your learned experiences,
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: regardless of what you know about the world. You could
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 3: see truth even if it's a completely unique thing. You
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: could know that it doesn't exist, like there's no way,
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 3: there's no way, you know. And if it is a puzzle,
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 3: what greater puzzle? Then you have to believe something that
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: defies logic. Like if you were gonna if you're going
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 3: to demand faith of someone, you would you would deliver
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: it in a way that is the only way to
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: buy into this is that you have to get past
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 3: your logic. You have to abandon it and you have
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 3: to believe something that you've been told is impossible.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: But my answer one day, my.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: Answer to that is isn't everything impossible? This is the
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 3: problem we have. The problem is Terrence McKenna once said
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 3: that science only demands of you one miracle, that's the
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: Big Bang. If you believe in one miracle, everything else,
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 3: it says, it can explain with materialist science. So if
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 3: the miracle of the Big Bang is way crazier to
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 3: believe than the resurrection of a human being. That's that
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 3: seems more logical. It seems more plausible. People live, people die,
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: maybe people come back to life. I'll buy that more
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 3: than the entire universe is smaller than the head of
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: a pen, and through no process that anybody has adequately explained,
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: becomes everything. And maybe it's a continual process. It happens
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: Well you like, yeah, you like to look in all
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: this stuff. My wife sent me a YouTube video or
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: something the other day. Apparently they saw something with one
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: of these telescopes or something that they look into the
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: cosmos with that has completely like destroyed all their evidence
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: of Yes, they're they're they're the theology behind the Big Bang.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, James Web telescope. Yeah, they're they're finding they think
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 3: that some of what they were interpreting as the initial
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 3: signals of the Big Bang are not that that this
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 3: that not only that, but the origin the birth of
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 3: the universe is far older than they think it was,
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 3: because they're finding galaxies that are far too large and
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 3: formed that are so far away that they would have
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: had to form far quicker than they thought was possible
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: from the moment of the Big Bang.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: To them.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 3: So this is extended in some people's eyes the birth
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 3: of the universe to twenty two plus billion years old
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 3: instead of thirteen point seven or whatever it is, so
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: they think it's possibly even older. But then there's also questions,
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 3: like the Big Bang itself might not be correct. You
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: might be just interpreting the signals of this part of
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 3: the space, part of the universe. We just can't see
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 3: yet because we don't have the ability to see further
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 3: than what the James Web telescope can do. So as
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 3: we develop better and better tools with each iteration, you're
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 3: going to have a much deeper understanding of the vastness
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: of the universe itself, which may ultimately be infinite. And
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 3: Roger Penrose thinks that not only was there not just
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 3: a big bang, that there's a continual cycle of these
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: things that happen for eternity, that there's never been a beginning.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: Go and wrap your mind around that.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 3: Wrap your mind around that, because we always want to
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 3: think in terms of our own personal biological limitations. A
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 3: birth and we have a death, Well, what was the
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: birth of the universe? Well why why assume that? Why?
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 3: Because we have this tiny little life span of one
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 3: hundred years.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: Even when we try to interpret hard things about scripture
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: or we think about you know, the Lord, we we
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: even almost always we put time constraints on him, like
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: how do you think without the constraints of time, like
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: in your mind? You know what I mean, freaking wild?
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 3: Then time gets real weird when you get into the
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 3: Old Testament, like how old was Noah?
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what is that? They lived a long time?
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: You know that that kind of goes along with my
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: theory of at the fall of man literally marring Man's
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: genetic code and how that has just kind of progressively
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: gotten worse over time.
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 3: It's possible, but it's also possible that their interpretation of
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 3: time is different because they didn't understand calendars. You know
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 3: that they what they considered the year was not what
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 3: we were talking about. We're talking about it completely different thing. Yeah.
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 3: You know, like we have such a limited understanding just
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 3: of human civilization. I mean, there's there's new findings like
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 3: constantly that are completely throwing a monkey wrench into the
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 3: timeline of human history. And you know, some of the
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 3: biggest ones are happening in Egypt right now, where they're
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: finding structures under through tomography to these use of satellites.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 3: They're finding these structures underneath the pyramids that go down
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 3: two kilometers deep. Very controversial stuff, but they've repeated it
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: over and over again. There's these these cylinders, and there's
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: coils that seem to be wrapped around these cylinders. There
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 3: are hundreds of meters deep, and then there's more structures
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: underneath there. They're like, well, what is this? Who made this?
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 3: Like explaining the pyramids themselves is impossible. They try. They
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 3: pretend people were just smarter than you think. Okay maybe,
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: but also crazy that you've got this fucking thing that's
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 3: what seventeen acres in its footprint, two million, three hundred
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 3: thousand stones, some of them cut from a quarry five
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 3: hundred miles away, placed hundreds of feet in the ceiling.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 3: Some of them are fifty plus tons that they've moved
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 3: into these positions, cut perfectly, you can even a razor
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 3: blade in between of them, set the perfect north, south, east,
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 3: and west. And now you find out there's structures underneath
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: them that might go down two kilometers. We might have
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 3: a completely fucked up understanding of human history, and it's
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 3: very likely we do.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know there's a lot of speculation around.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you have had somebody on to talk about
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: this period of human history and scripture where it talks
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: about essentially these angelic beings basically pro creating with human
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 1: women and creating some sort of hybrid race men of
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 1: renown with special knowledge. And you would it would seem
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: that something like that when you look at the example
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: and all of the stuff you just talked about with
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: the pyramids, like there was they were getting special knowledge.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 3: There was something weird.
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: From from some source. I don't know, something like you said,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: we can't understand.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 3: It, man, Well we don't. Unfortunately, because of the burning
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 3: of the Library of Alexandria, we have a limited understanding
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: of what was going on. But what what they did
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 3: accomplish that's still there today baffles just baffles the greatest
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 3: human minds.
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: They're like, what I love about you is you're not
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: afraid to ask these questions man, And what you're doing
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: here on the show, it's like, you're not afraid to
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 1: dig into anything.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you should be afraid of questions,
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 3: and no one should be.
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people's pride, you know, like keep
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: them from Yeah, there's that kind of asking those questions.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, people take themselves seriously, you know. I
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 3: don't really take myself very seriously, luckily, And I also
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 3: I am not married to my ideas. My ideas are
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 3: just ideas and they're not mine. They're just ideas, and
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 3: I'll entertain those ideas, but if they're wrong, I'll say, oh,
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 3: oh that's wrong. I thought this, This is why I
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 3: thought that, this is what turns out really is. And
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 3: I think if you can do that, you'll have a
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: healthier perspective. Just ask questions. Don't be afraid to sound foolish,
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: because there's probably a reason why you want to ask
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 3: that question, and maybe there's a logical answer that will
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 3: make you seem foolish for asking the question. You're like, oh, okay,
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 3: now I get it, but maybe not. And there's a
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: lot of assumptions that people cling to. The boy. We
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 3: found out a lot about that during COVID. There's a
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: lot of shit that people just believe wholeheartedly that's one
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 3: hundred percent not true, and you'll yell at people about it,
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 3: and you'll fucking change people's lives, and you'll treat people
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 3: like plague rats and it's you're one hundred percent incorrect,
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 3: and you've based your entire identity on this information that's
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent incorrect, and then years later you're still
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 3: justifying it because your ego won't allow you to admit
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 3: that you were incorrect. You had made false assumptions, you
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 3: had gone down the wrong way of thinking, and here
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: you are stuck with this undeniable truth that's right in
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 3: front of your face. You were fucking wrong. You were wrong.
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 3: You got played. You can't trust the government, you can't
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 3: trust the pharmaceutical drug companies, you can't trust anybody that's
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 3: making a profit off of you. There it is right
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: in front of your face. And that's the problem with
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 3: being with taking yourself too seriously. That's a problem with
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 3: being married to your ideas. That's a problem to always
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 3: wanting to be right and always wanting to sound intelligent.
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 1: That's so good, Joe, is so impactful for me to
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: hear you say that, because I have to share this
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: with you. Of course, I had a I've told a
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 1: few of my close buddies and friends that I was
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 1: coming on the show today to have a conversation with you,
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 1: and it's amazing people's respond when you tell them that
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna come and sit down to the mighty Joe Rogan,
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: the most powerful man on the Internet. I've heard you
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 1: called that. Uh dude, I'm I'm don't don't be offended
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 1: by any of that. This is what people say. And
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I had so many people tell me, now, Chad,
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 1: when you go sit down with Joe, you better just
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: stick to what you know. And I'm like, I'm sitting
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 1: here like, Buddy, I don't know a whole lot like
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 1: when you really get do like what you said, man, like,
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: you're not you're you're not attached to your ideas and
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: and they're not a lot of times they're not even
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 1: your ideas, they're just did you just think about things
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: deeply and you ask these questions and and when you
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: live that way, you do you do come to the
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 1: realization that, man, there's very little that I actually know
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: when we define the word or the idea of knowing something,
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 1: and and even Scripture tells us any man that thinks
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: he knows anything hasn't known as he ought to know.
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 1: In other words, as soon as you think you have
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: the answers to most things, you are totally backwards. You
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 1: haven't known. The the ultimate form. I think one of
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 1: the ultimate forms of knowledge or knowing is realizing that
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: you really don't know much absolutely. But it's just funny
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 1: that you you talked about that, and that was some
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 1: of the advice I received.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 3: But what you know, Yeah, but the problem with that is, like,
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 3: you're never going to get anywhere.
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 1: I agree in uh yeah, man, it's uh people's people's
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 1: perspective of what you've built here and and uh, you know,
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: what you do and what you've accomplished. I think it's
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 1: just like so skewed, like just based off of some
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 1: of the conversations I had, you know what I mean.
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 3: Well, it's always gonna get weird when anything gets large.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 3: You know, people have their own opinions and their own
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 3: perceptions of things that are successful.
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 1: And why do you keep going at this point?
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 3: It's fun? You enjoy I like it. Yeah, it's good. Yeah,
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 3: I like it. I enjoy it. It's enriching. I like
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 3: talking to people. I like learning new things, like having
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 3: interesting conversations, fun conversations.
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 1: What was your first kind of big break as a
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 1: podcaster as a I mean, just in general as someone
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 1: who's public.
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 3: I guess the big one was Fear Factor. You know,
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 3: that was the one that kind of made me famous.
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 1: Well what led you there?
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 3: I was on the TV show before that called news Radio.
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 3: It was a sitcom. Okay, I was on that, and
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 3: before that it was a stand up kind of like
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 3: and uh, you know, my trajectory has been very slow,
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 3: which is good, healthier for you. You can you get
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 3: it better, like you can deal with it, because the
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 3: worst thing that ever happens is like a twenty year
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 3: old kid becomes super famous. You're just fucked. You're fucked.
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna be handle that. You're gonna be off
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 3: the rails. You just it's just too weird. The world
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 3: is totally different place. Everybody knows who you are. Everywhere
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 3: you go, everyone around you needs you. So you have
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 3: all these talking heads around you that are kissing your ass.
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 3: Your perception of the world's completely distorted. You never had
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 3: to truly develop your character. You know, you've you've got
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 3: untold wealth, you know in your teens, like you can't
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 3: handle that. Nobody can handle that. No child stars ever
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 3: make it out and seem normal. They're all fucked. It's
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 3: like cement where you you mix it wrong, You know
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 3: there's not enough waters, not enough sand, whatever it is.
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 3: The formulation's wrong, it's you're never gonna fix it. You're
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 3: gonna fix it after the fact. It's already formed. And uh,
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 3: it's a tragedy. But to get fame slowly is long
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  Speaker 3: as you're always working on your character. And one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that will keep you sane when you're going
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  Speaker 3: through fame in particular is voluntary adversity, like particularly working out.
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  Speaker 1: Man, that's good, brother, I can relate to that. Man.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know you're big into ultra running and
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  Speaker 3: that kind of voluntary advertse I saw he took up
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  Speaker 3: jiu jitsu recently too, right, that it's fucking tiring. Huh.
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  Speaker 3: A guy with the kind of indance that you have
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  Speaker 3: is an amazing how tired it was?
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  Speaker 1: Rough?
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  Speaker 2: Bad?
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  Speaker 1: Rough?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, jiu jitsu is humiliating, it's humbling, it's but there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of power in that humbling. It makes the
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  Speaker 3: rest of your life so much easier. It really does.
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  Speaker 3: That jiu jitsu is a huge factor in my sanity
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  Speaker 3: and my ability to stay sane through everything. Is that
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting humbled all the time. I'm exhausted all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Dudes are angling me all the time, you know. It's
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 3: like you just kind of like so that kind of
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 3: conflict was so overwhelming but yet also positive and uh
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  Speaker 3: and helped me so much with character development, my understanding
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  Speaker 3: of myself and what I was able to accomplish if
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 3: I worked hard enough. It allows you to navigate the
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 3: weird waters of fame so much easier.
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  Speaker 1: It's a that's really impactful to hear you say that, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that is is and has been my
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  Speaker 1: exact same experience, you know, And we've been doing We've
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  Speaker 1: been I've been kind of public for the last five
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: years now, and it's it's been kind of slow, but
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 1: but again, it kind of went big there for like
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 1: within two years, Like it the YouTube and stuff blew
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 1: up to the point that I'm nowhere obviously on the
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: on the level that you experience in your life, but
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't go out in public without somebody's
• 2:49:59
  Speaker 1: going to start. You're at the level where I know
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 1: who you are in all these comments and all this stuff,
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like, but like continuously
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 1: choosing to do these challenges that like I don't even
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna be able to do it like
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 1: the Yukon Race, the Yukon one thousand. We didn't finish that.
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 1: We went four hundred and thirty five miles, and David
• 2:50:25
  Speaker 1: started having circulation issues in his lower body because he's paralyzed,
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 1: blood doesn't flow very well, and like his leg is
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 1: usually the size just of his femur, you know, or
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: his bones, And by the third day his legs were
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 1: the same size.
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  Speaker 3: As my legs.
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  Speaker 1: And he started to develop these pressure sores on his butt,
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 1: which is very very dangerous for people who are paralyzed,
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  Speaker 1: just from sitting in that kayak for eighteen hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: But like we didn't we didn't complete that, but we
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 1: were out there like truly in the truly in wilderness,
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 1: like struggling against not only the miles, but just the environment.
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 1: Like I love to hear all these hippie people talk
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 1: about mother Earth. It's like mother Earth will freaking kill you.
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 1: So you you talk about mother Earth around me, that
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 1: tells me one thing, you ain't spent much time in
• 2:51:28
  Speaker 1: nature exactly. But man, we're out there just like struggling
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: through this, and it became something that for my teammate
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 1: it he physically wasn't in a place that he could
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: safely continue. But like that so refreshed me.
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  Speaker 3: Dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, being out there, the experience, the struggle, it's brutal, man,
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  Speaker 1: Like one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty mile days,
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 1: eighteen hour days in this kayaks, You're getting three hours
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 1: of sleep, having to cook all your food. It's all
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 1: self contained. But like I come out the other end
• 2:52:09
  Speaker 1: of that, man, and I'm just like so dialed in,
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 1: dialed in, dude, Yeah, without those experiences, I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I think all men need voluntary adversity.
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 1: I might.
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 3: I think you need it. I think that's one of
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 3: the reasons why people are so filled with anxiety and depression.
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 3: And I think you need to challenge yourself all the time.
• 2:52:30
  Speaker 3: And I think it needs to be physical. I think
• 2:52:32
  Speaker 3: it's not just a mental thing. I think people need
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 3: physical challenge. I think it's a very important part for
• 2:52:38
  Speaker 3: maintaining sanity.
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  Speaker 1: It is for me for sure. I have to have something,
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 1: you know, on the micro level daily. On the micro level,
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 1: I have to have maybe two things, big things a
• 2:52:50
  Speaker 1: year that I look at and I'm like, I don't
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 1: know if I can actually finish that or not. Yeah,
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And then it forces me
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 1: to to train, to learn, to prepare, to plan. That's
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 1: when you get if we want to move toward mental
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 1: toughness and how this kind of preps you and keeps
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 1: you going through life Like that's where all the mental
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 1: toughness is really built, is through the training process. Like
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 1: on race day, you shouldn't be getting any more mentally
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 1: tough on race day, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 1: but your brain is just a muscle like any other
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 1: muscle in my in my experience, it's you if you
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 1: stop exercising it. And people want to act like there
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 1: are people out there maybe like me or like David
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 1: Goggins or these people that have become so mentally tough
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 1: that like we're just good, like we should be able
• 2:53:52
  Speaker 1: to show up anywhere, anytime and perform and just crush everyone.
• 2:53:56
  Speaker 1: That That's not how it works. Like every one of us,
• 2:54:02
  Speaker 1: we have to prepare and train and train day in
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 1: and day out and go through the process in order
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 1: to perform. That's a never ending thing. But people want
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 1: to believe that you can just become mentally tough and
• 2:54:17
  Speaker 1: then possess that and perform for the rest of your life.
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 1: They want to believe that because they don't want to
• 2:54:23
  Speaker 1: do the work that's required to actually perform at a high,
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 1: high level.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 1: It's almost like an out yeah that people want to
• 2:54:34
  Speaker 1: take or believe in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, man, I'm glad you're out there. I appreciate
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 3: you very much. I appreciate you coming in and doing
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 3: the show and three of seven projects on YouTube. But
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 3: you want anything else, just.
• 2:54:45
  Speaker 1: Three of seven project dot com if you want to
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 1: come train with us, That's what I mean. That's my
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 1: passion in life, is not only my faith, but teaching
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 1: and everything that we do is we have training exercises,
• 2:54:58
  Speaker 1: you know, once a month or something, and I'm out
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 1: there with you, suffering with you, beautiful and go check
• 2:55:04
  Speaker 1: it out if you want to come hang out. And
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 1: Joe Man, I can't thank you enough for your generosity.
• 2:55:09
  Speaker 1: There's many times during that conversation that you could have
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 1: made me look like a fool, Like sure, you have
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of grace for me though.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed it very much. Thank you very much. All
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  Speaker 3: right bye, everybody,